Stall Or Nothing

>A good, new Pokemon released
>Everyone is hype so they all use it
>Immediately banned for overcentralization
Pulling the trigger a bit too fast, but I understand. It threatens Healthy Meta Lion too much for the 50% usage spot.

>>32966573
Give me a safe switch-in to marshadow.

Give me a mon that can set up a swords dance/ dragon dance that doesn't get fucked by spectral thief.

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>its a smugbonnie thread

>>32966543
>SKARMBLISS
If you stop playing gen three that'll stop being a problem for you

>>32966601

>He uses Dragon Dance IN Front of a Marshadow.


Dude, pls. leave this thread.

>>32966649
>He thinks marshadow causing a constant fear of offensive set up is safe for the meta.

After you.

>>32966659


>Scarf users, Burn cripples are counters. He cannot afford using one of them.

1200 is disgusting.

>>32966649
clicking dragon dance at any point when marshadow is still alive is just asking to be reverse swept by the scarf set

>>32966696
>Go, Rattata!

Spectral Thief wasn't really the problem, Marshadow's best set was Bulk Up + Marshadium Z

It had perfect neutral coverage, 125/125 Attack and Speed and 195 BP nuke

>>32966690
Was gonna argue scarf, but >>32966696
beat me to it.

>>32966709
Kek

>>32966709
>Oh no. It caused marshadow to swap...just like every other scarfer has to when locked into an unfavorable move. Good thing I fucked his sweeper and can come back with strong offense later in the game.

>>32966543
Marshadow threatens offense more than stall. Why is this so hard for this place to understand?

>Farfetch'd used Swords Dance!
>Farfetch'd used Quick Attack!
marshadow's a shitmon lmao

>Tiers, stall, meta, smogon. That is only the foolish conception of plebs. Truly skilled trainers should try to win sweeping all their opponents.

>no setup Unles you can beat scarfed 125 Speed in 1 turn
>no walling it unless you can avoid 2HKOs from 90/120 STAB neutral coverage + 195 Ghost nuke
>can Bulk Up or use Swagger meme to set itself up even without you

But nah, they banned it because of le healthy stall meta/le tiger of balance.

>>32966755
I know this is bait, but

>+2 252+ Atk Farfetch'd Quick Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 135-159 (42 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
'
Assuming marshadow is holding a ring target for some goddamn reason.

Why do these bastards have to drag their feet with literally every suspect? Why can't they get to them quick?

>>32966784
>Le healthy stall meta

Bro, this thing helped stall. You run it on stall teams to prevent the opponent from setting up on you and over powering your walls.

It's good on offense, while also preventing offense. It can so very easily just counter sweep an entire team.

>>32966601
Defensive Milotic

>>32966804
this lil nig was banned in like 2 days, this is the one time the usually slow suspect process didn't come into play

>>32966811
>252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 208-246 (52.7 - 62.4%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Now lets assume it's a flame orb variant
>252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Close Combat vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Milotic: 140-165 (35.5 - 41.8%) -- 85% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery.

That's without consideration for potential hazards. I guess after the flame orb it becomes more difficult, but then I can just swap to a milotic check and not risk scald burns on marshadow.

Reminder that OP is a mentally ill avatarfaggot who doesn't actually play competitive

>>32966543
Lets not forget. In ubers, this thing single-handedly stomped E-Killer and Ghost Arceas into the fucking dirt.

>>32966811
Top kek

>>32966811
+1 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Marvel Scale Milotic: 321-378 (81.4 - 95.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
This doesn't factor in burn damage of course, which prevents survival entirely.

>>32966852
>Life Orb

>>32966892
>Duh...

>>32966811
Look at him and laugh

>>32966889
>136 Def
>Protect

Katekai and healthy

>>32966903
>Milotic used Protect!
>Marshadow used Bulk Up!

>>32966811
Just stop.

>>32966903
It takes a quarter of the damage + burn damage through the protect, at which point its vulnerable again...or again...I can just swap to a check to milotic and not risk the scald burns. Stop it man. Make a new argument for keeping Marshadow. Get creative if you have too.

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>>32966696
>>32966712
>>32966852
>>32966889
>>32966917
>>32966931
>Marshadow can be every single set simultaneously
>Predicting which set it is based on team composition is hard
End this meme

>>32966543
Do you realize that Marshadow was Ditto in steroids for stall? A one time "FUCK YOUR SET UP SWEEPER!" Button, except Marshadow is way more versatile and harder to punish than scarf ditto.

Stall Marshadow was like Gothitrap+Ditto in an unholy mix of fuck offense that OU hasn't seen in ages.

>>32966973
The problem is that any set is hard to switch into if you aren't playing stall, and the Z move set is impossible to switch into even if you are playing stall.

>>32966601
>Give me a safe switch-in to marshadow.
Give me a safe switch in to landorus-t

>Give me a mon that can set up a swords dance/ dragon dance that doesn't get fucked by spectral thief.

Literally bidoof

>>32967021
I assume this is bait. But I'll bite it.

Lando hates HP ice after rocks. And if it does take it, then it's a defensive set and can't take marshadow down.

>Bidoof.
The peak of keks.

>>32967014
Yes, this is 100% true if you don't look outside A Rank OU mons.

>>32966973
That was the problem that got Mega Luc banned

>>32967043
>There's this move that does damage to it.
You didn't answer my question. What can safely switch into any landorus set?

>>32967067
Defensive Milotic

>>32967021
Landorus T with z move is really hard to wall unless you are faster than 92 and immune to ground/resist rock/flying or be slower than 90 and it doesn't set up SD on the switch, Tangrowth/Skarmory work as a check provided SD isn't used on the switch.

Z moves really pushed Landorus T as a wallbreaker making him more versatile than his previous role of 1 time check vs offense/balance.

Normal types risk eating a CC to the face, so switching a normal on Marshadow is a gimmicky bet at best, and for the most part a momentum killer.

>>32967067
Sorry, I derped and missed the question.

Defensive rotom-w?

>>32967082
savage.

>>32967082
SD Landorus T Tectonic Rage.

Milotic can't outspeed Lando T, I Lando T predicts the switch and sets up SD Milotic just lost after SR, and even with protect memes it is playing a 50/50 to ve 1hko by Landorus T.

Milotic is shaky as fuck.

>>32966973
This was the issue with aegislash, genesect, greninja in gen 6, hoopa-u in gen 6, landorus-i, megaluke, any deoxys form, phero AND megagross. If it's so wildly unpredictable and each and every set has a very slim set of checks or counters that are totally different in approach from eachother, it might just be broken.

>>32967088
Smack Down+tectonic Rage is a thing.

SD+continental crush.

Continental crush+stone edge.

If it survives all of the above after SR it is a reliable check to anything Lando T can use.

And yes I use smack Down Landorus T, it hilarious to remove Skarmory only to z fly Tangrowth afterwards.

>>32967108
It's not the best situation, but it doesn't require the Lando player to properly predict. Generally you want to predict the Lando switch and bring in Milotic. I get for the purpose of scrunity you assume worse case scenario, but that's a little unfair.

>>32967135
Comparing Marshadow with infinite coverage frog and mons that can seamlessly be both threatening specially and physically is a bit unfair. All Marshadow sets generally work the same way. They just deal with counters/checks different and a lot of the sets are predictable because they're used specifically for certain team builds. Marshadow is definitely A+, but I think pulling the trigger because the meta had a chance to settle was too much.

>>32967158
>but it does*
Oops

>>32967158
To counter a Pokémon you have to survive 1 turn if you outspeed, 2 turns if you don't, if SD is used in the switch or Milotic eats Supersonic Skystrike/Tectonic Rage after rocks it loses vs wallbreaker Landorus T on the next earthquake.

A bulky scarf Rotom W can counter Landorus T 1 time regardless of its moveset provided you work the magic number to survive continental crush since you outspeed Landorus T and base 115 mons, but it is a very specific set.

>>32967152
>being proud of using a common Landorus-T set.

And I use SD bloom doom bulu. It makes me diamonds.

I'll concede to the adamant smack down set, though. Smack down into eq is a guaranteed kill on defensive rotom...but that's also assuming I stay in to take the eq in the first place.

>NB4 I'll just predict that and use another move.

I'll move those goal posts for you myself, anon.

Carbink @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

This removes marshadow.
Can balk two CC. You just need to press moonblast and the CC drops do the jobs.

>>32967187
nigger it can reliable btfo every single pokemon in the game. It even does absolute work in ubers because of this.

>>32967213
Marshadow steals the spef boosts while removing the carbink's spa boosts. That moon blast and doing crap, and now you're back to square one.

>>32967229
You don't need to boost, fucker.

>>32967208
Not needed bro, rotom will switch unless the other player is a retard, but Lando T forcing the switch into a Rotom that has to switch out for Landorus T to get a free turn is big, you chip Rotom W and then get a free turn unless they sacrifice the washing machine to Landorus T, it's already a win/win scenario for the Landorus T user.

>>32967234
It fails to 2HKO without boosts, and marshadow can steal if you try to boost.

Yeah, marshadow can't do much in a neutral fight...but that's why we have 5 other pokemon on the team.

Any pokemon is bad on their own. But with MINIMAL support, that pokemon can have potential to break the game.

>A Pokemon that fucking destroys any offensive Arceus set in Ubers to the point where everyone is running Fairy Arceus because it's the only one that isn't fucked
>Fit for OU

>>32967257
>it fails to 2hko

It does if the marshadow uses CC, because of the drops.

>>32967067
Defensive fast mew

Mew @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 240 HP / 84 Def / 184 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost
- Ice Beam / Psychic
- Defog

184 speed lets it outrun adamant landorus and either destroy it with ice beam
>0 SpA Mew Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 316-372 (99 - 116.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

or burn it and live a +2 SSSS if not running IB, then roost it off
>+2 252+ Atk burned Landorus-Therian Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. 240 HP / 84+ Def Mew: 284-335 (70.8 - 83.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

note this set actually has utility outside of this specific scenario such as checking other strong physical attackers plus offering hazard control
252 Atk Pure Power Medicham-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 240 HP / 84+ Def Mew: 148-174 (36.9 - 43.3%) -- 99.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Zygarde Thousand Arrows vs. 240 HP / 84+ Def Mew: 169-199 (42.1 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Return vs. 240 HP / 84+ Def Mew: 144-171 (35.9 - 42.6%) -- 94% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

If it's jolly then it burns / IBs and then switches out, crippling the lando for the rest of the game

>>32967235
It's a win/win only if you're dual dance and already set up. Lando is easily revenge killed or proper checked by a lot of pokemon.

Marshadow is not. Scarf lati gets cucked by sneak, as well as a counter scarf set. Same for every fast psychic revenge killer...as well as gengar. Greninja...arguably one of the scariest mons in the meta right now, is hard-checked by marshadow. Not countered, admittedly, but hard checked. You don't think that's an issue?

>>32967288
If it's jolly with tectonic Rage?


Anyways that Mew set actually stops cold most Landorus T sets and gets to be used as a defogger, nice thinking with the neutrality.

>>32967315
I'm actually among the guys happy that it was gone, I'm merely arguing that Landorus T new role as a wallbreaker is good as fuck, and while you don't need to get out of your way to Revenge Landorus T it's ability to gain momentum is hard to top thanks to its versatility.

Like wine Landorus T gets better with age.

>>32967344
If you're glad it's gone, then why'd you argue in its defense so much? or are you not that samefag?

>>32967213
Skarmory @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Brave Bird

This removes marshadow with more ease.

It can take 4 close combats, and BB OHKOs at -1

You can also use Weak Armor with a different ev spread (EVs: 184 HP / 252 Def / 72 Spe) so that you don't get easily revenge killed.

>>32967272
It would take an incredibly inexperienced player to make that play.

>>32967369
Marshadow can boost in front of Skarmory.

>>32967369
...actually the first viable solution I've seen. Not perfect by any stretch. But definitely the best counter argument.

>>32967389
Even at +2, CC can't OHKO skarmory.

>>32967318
Oh wait I calced it wrong, jolly actually still OHKOs it after a SD. To handle jolly you run need to give up some bulk and run timid 184 speed and IB/Wisp before they +2 SSSS (TR difference doesn't matter after a burn)

>>32967405
>0- Atk Skarmory Brave Bird vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 156-186 (48.5 - 57.9%) -- 92.6% chance to 2HKO

I'm actually that same faggot whose been arguing against every other solution thrown out in this thread. But I have to give it to the skarmory.

No...marshadow cannot safely set up in front of skarm. It has to swap out.

>>32967427

meant for >>32967389
My bad.

>>32967359
I saw someone bitch about shit that switch into Landorus T and people posting things that are barely a counter in Gen 7 with z moves being a thing.

I will never defend Marshadow nor say Landorus T is broken, but I want to point that wallbreaker Landorus counter pool is nearly non existant in OU and that instead of countering this thing you are better just revenge killing it on balance or offense given that Landorus T is a blanket check and not a restrictive Pokémon at all.

>>32967406
SSSSS fucks it hard and Brave Bird has recoil. You think nobody tried to use Skarmory against my Marshadow?

>>32967427
>But I have to give it to the skarmory.
>tfw marshadow got banned even though there's a viable counter ranked 15 in usage in OU

>>32967447
You know what? I actually feel bad, because I know I'm about to goal post. But...can you think of a safe revenge killer for Marshadow?

I know I'm goalposting. And I'm honestly and genuinely sorry. It's a shit thing to do...but I am honestly curious.

>>32967467
Now offense has to run bulky Skarmory or get swept by Marshadow.

Technician HP fire Marshadow calcs vs impish Skarmory?

Remember that brave bird needs to be factored as the recoil can kill skarmory.

>>32967427
Calc at plus 2, it boosts on the switch and then once more.
>0 Atk Skarmory Brave Bird vs. +2 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 132-156 (41.1 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>+2 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 351-414 (105.4 - 124.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>32967480
mimikyu with disguise up

>>32967492
First off, stop goal posting.

Second. Calc it yourself if you wanna make the argument. Don't expect the opposition to do it for you.

Third: see >>32967499

And just cause I'm feeling nice
>0 SpA Life Orb Technician Marshadow Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Skarmory: 205-242 (61.5 - 72.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

You happy?

>>32967466
>(52.9 - 62.2%)
>fucks it bad
>recoil
>what is roost
>ghost z move
>what is switching to bidoof

>hp fire for the sole purpose of killing skarmory
There's only 4 move slot, dude.

>>32967499
>assumes opponent correctly reads the switch
>assumes opponent has a zcrystal

Somehow the opponent can read your switch into skarmory and bulkup but you can't read the zmove and switch to your bidoof

>>32967492
Realistically speaking Marshadow as a whole has no fucking counters.

As for revenge killers for the scarf set Godchomp is reliable enough to beat the scarf set.

LO sets are defeated by any base 75+ speed Pokémon with a scarf that isn't weak to Ghost and CB Weavile unless it has 2 bulk ups.

Z move is bullshit but stopped by CB Weavile, again it needs 1 bulk up to survive after rocks.

If Marshadow stole a fucking DD you are screwed unless you use unaware Clefable or Quaggy.

Revenge killing Marshadow isn't impossible, the problem is that the other player can switch out unless you use CB Weavile vs non scarf sets.

Sticky web is a shity patch up vs Marshadow but if you are on the offensive it can shut him down.

>>32967551
Relying on the opponent being a retard to win is a bad wincon if you aren't playing stall.

>>32967576
>CB Weavile
Assuming Marshadow doesn't win the speed tie and fuck your face, sure.

>>32966917
>I always know what move my opponent will use

>>32967517
>0 Atk Life Orb Technician Marshadow Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mimikyu: 244-291 (97.2 - 115.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

>252 Atk Life Orb Mimikyu Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 159-190 (49.5 - 59.1%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO

>252 Atk Life Orb Mimikyu Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 359-424 (111.8 - 132%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Non life orb (85.9 - 101.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

In the perfect mirror match vs life orb, mimik wins out 90% of the time.

If no life orb, then marshadow just has to safely shadow sneak twice, assuming play rough doesn't get the 6% High roll. And then it's just a game of chance.

>>32967601
It's you best bet, most of the 125+ speed mons are still fucked silly by LO shadow sneak after rocks or can only attempt to do it once.

>>32967608
>if the opponent plays badly it can counter it!

>>32967582
It's not being a retard, it's taking risk and getting rewarded.

Let say you have a mega-zam up, opponent sends in marshadow with shadow sneak which one shot your zam and he knows you have a skarmory. Setting up here is a fucking bet, again it's not about being smart or being a retard, it's taking risks to be rewarded.

>>32967610
I fucked up. Mashadow dies to its own life orb vs non life orb mimikyu. oops.

That said, you now have a busted mimikyu with no boosts.

>>32967229
Did you read?
>>Can balk two CC. You just need to press moonblast and the CC drops do the jobs.

>>32967618
They send in Skamory before you boost and you switch to Koko or Magnezone and proceed to volturn straight back into Marshadow.

>>32967630
And what if you lost the bet and zam used psychic?

>>32966806
I am pretty sure anon was being sarcastic

>>32967615
For that match, yes it would be a counter. If you have something that counters your opponent based on how they play, it's a counter.

>>32967643
You Sneak in front of Zam, dipshit.

>>32967667
And what if he switched to skarmory here? Bye bye marshadow.

>>32967675
You switch to Koko and win free muhmentum.

>>32966543
who the fuck still complains about skarmbliss, it's not gen 2 anymore smugbonnie

>>32967675
Then skarm takes sneak chip damage, and you swap out marshadow. How autistic are you?

>>32967691
>switched out marshadow
THEN ITS A FUCKING COUNTER

>>32967612
To elaborate, unless you want to use a mega(Manectric, aerodactyl, Lopunny and Sceptile) or a bulky Scarfer like Garchomp you need Aerodactyl, Crobat or Tapu Koko Koko to fuck with LO Marshadow.

Electrode, Accelgor and Jolteon are shit vs him, Talonflame would be able to do it if gale wings wasn't fucked by SR, to summarize even with the speed tie weavile is the most reliable outside of Scarfers, Mimikyu or Crobat.

Heck crobat and Aerodactyl are 1 time revenge killers vs Marshadow as they can't switch out after rocks and Marshadow can switch out even vs an hypothetical pursuit and still be able to switch in again and fire off an attack before dying to lo recoil and SR re entrance.

>>32967699
>REEEEEEEEE

>>32967699
...unless the opponent boosts on the switch and blows your faggot bird up with 5S.
If your counter only works after faking out with a fucking Mega Alakazam then it's a terrible counter. Mega Lopunny is much worse for Marshadow anyway.

>>32967727
Mega Hotbuns is actually re-validated using a scarfed set on the last day Marshadow was usable...The previous reason was for scarfed ninja.

>this set has no counter
>how about this set?
>yeah but if it runs this rarer set then your counter become a mere check
>how about this one? it covers the two most used sets
>yeah but if it runs this specific move for the sole purpose of checking your set, then it becomes a mere check

>>32967727
>faking out with a fucking Mega Alakazam
Or literally any other special sweeper. It was just an exemple. The point is that unless you know what your opponent is going to do, you'd be an extreme retard to set up expecting a switch to skarmory.

>>32967789
Welcome to Pokémon, and remember that most dark types are a straight counter to psychic types if Focus Blast misses, as non stab dazzling gleam is still piss weak to ohko.

>>32967789
Don't forget.
>well, okay. how about this ev spread?
>nah, if it runs one of the less popular items it can potentially 2HKO

>>32967821
Welcome to Pokémon, and remember that you can't have counters to anything at every possible moment in a battle.

>>32966973

>Marshadow can be every single set simultaneously

When teambuilding you have to acknowledge every other pokemons total strengths and weaknesses, so yes you have to acknowledge all of its theoretical movesets simultaneously when coming up with your checks and counters

>Predicting which set it is based on team composition is hard

Too late, teams already built. If Marshadow counters your archetype theres no point in battling.

>>32967065

More like Mega Luke and Greninja got banned for the same reason.

>>32967809
>literally any other special sweeper
Except for SG Magearna. Or Volcarona. Or Latios.

>>32967913
>so yes you have to acknowledge all of its theoretical movesets simultaneously when coming up with your checks and counters
But this fucking wrong. You only need to acknowledge the ones that threaten your team. If you bring the counter to what threatens your wincon then a set that can beat that counter but doesn't threaten your wincon is irrelevant.

>>32967949
But they all threaten my wincon anon...each set threatens my wincon if different ways. So yes, I have to consider every set.

>>32967968
>But they all threaten my wincon anon
>>>/out/

>>32967979
Much in the same way ANY pokemon threaten my wincon. Not just Shadow, but any pokemon can threaten my wincon...so I have to consider all of them and prepare for the worst. To at least carry a check to anything that could go awry. It applys to any situation. Not just the one we're discussing.

So >>>/out/ with you. You've broken down the argument to the basic fundamentals of team building and battling in general. How far down can you go?

>>32968020
>I have to consider mons that can't threaten my team
I'm sorry. I was wrong for saying >>>/out/

>>>/lgbt/

>>32968065
Wut?

>>32968065
Every pokemon in OU is a threat, so I have to consider them in team building, yes.

Even lower tiered pokemon are threats. Mega Pert is UU, but I still have to fear it. Low tier isn't bad tier.

So yes, unless the pokemon is super fucking irrelevant, I have to consider and respect it.

>>32968124
mega pert is moving to OU, the new stats are bonked but rain is common enough that i doubt the extra week will make a difference

>>32968065
> Using >>>/lgbt/ as an insult in 2017

Oh, so I'm fighting a stubborn brick wall with no room for acceptance and tolerance for alternative viewpoints. Well no wonder I can't win this fight. It's hard to argue against stubborn.

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>>32968180
>Current Year

>>32968180
It's best to leave these types of people to their delusions. They can't hurt anyone if they just yell into their own echo chamber.

>>32968180
>>32968191
samefag

>>32968180
>supporting and enabling degenerates
Kill yourself :)

>>32968180
>2017
>being a mentally ill faggot

>>32968189
I'm done tonight. Have fun gloating to yourself in the mirror. Good B.

Apparently you don't have to win an argument with intelligence and facts if you simply wear them out to exhaustion. I can only run past the goal so many times when the posts keep moving.

>>32968213
Stay triggered, tumblr

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>>32968213
>"I have clearly won this argument, as denoted by my tactful deflection and retreat veiled by condescending superiority!"

>>32968213
Just a reminder that faggots like you will never have healthy, stable relationships like straight people will. Enjoy dying alone and unmourned at age 40 due to AIDS acquired from your hedonistic, empty lifestyle :)

>>32968253
I'm straight, nigga.

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>>32968258
Even better, a cuck

This just gets richer and richer

>>32968180

Off to your containment board with you!

just run wigglytuff
fucking smogon scrubs

>>32968520
>252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Wigglytuff: 282-333 (58.2 - 68.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>0 SpA Life Orb Wigglytuff Dazzling Gleam vs. -1 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 322-382 (100.3 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

My God. How could I have been so blind?

>>32968540
Oh shit, that thing has a life orb on it.

>0 SpA Wigglytuff Dazzling Gleam vs. -1 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 248-294 (77.2 - 91.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

My Bad.

I bet if smogon decided to let Xerneas fuck around OU for a day and then ban it again people here would complain its because of stall or Lando or some other bullshit

>>32968642
>Bro Why did they ban Xerneas. All you gotta do is run Spdef Mega Steelix with gyro ball.

>0 Atk Steelix-Mega Gyro Ball (132 BP) vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 360-426 (87.5 - 103.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

>Fucking smogon plebs don't know how to play this game properly, baka.

>>32967628
252 hp 252 attack adamant mimikyu

Play rough then Shadow sneak with Either Zmove or Weakness Berry while disguise up I guess

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>>32968540
Life Orb Wigglytuff confirmed for new meta.