Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread

SM17 RAWS:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=906472

SM16 RAWS:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=904300

SM15 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_Sun_&_Moon_015_Scratchmark_Hill,_Iwanko_and_Lugarugan!![H264_720P][56CC0334].mkv.torrent

XY&Z44 POKÉTV SEGMENT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_044_We_Start_at_Zero!_Citron's_Decision!!_PokeTV_segment[H264_720P][837700B6].mkv.torrent

XY&Z SPECIAL 2 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_Special_-_The_Ultimate_Duo!_Citron_and_Dent!![H264_720P][D17531C2].mkv.torrent

MOVIE 19 RAW:
https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=882608

NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS SUN & MOON 18 - I-MAJI-NE?! MAO'S COOKING OPERATION! (MARCH 16TH)
>In order to make Mythical Alola Stew, Satoshi and Mao search for Saffron-Color Nectar. However, the Rocket Gang are up to some kind of nasty plot behind the scenes? Will they actually find the Saffron-Color Nectar?!

>Summary:
>Mao asks Satoshi and the others if they could sample Mythical Alola Stew, the new item on the menu at Aina Cafeteria, which her family runs. However, the stew tastes really bad. The fact of the matter is that you need Saffron-Color Nectar in order to complete Mythical Alola Stew. However, it's off-season, which means it's nearly impossible to obtain the nectar. So Satoshi sets off together with Mao to search for Saffron-Color Nectar!

>Voice Cast:
>Rica Matsumoto: Satoshi
>Ikue Ohtani: Pikachu
>Kei Shindo: Lilie
>Kaito Ishikawa: Kaki
>Reina Ueda: Mao
>Hitomi Kikuchi: Suiren
>Fumiko Takekuma: Māmane
>Megumi Hayashibara: Musashi
>Shinichiro Miki: Kojiro
>Inuko Inuyama: Nyarth
>Yuji Ueda: Sonansu
>Rikako Aikawa: Ashimari
>Mika Kanai: Togedemaru
>Chika Fujimura: Amakaji
>Kenta Miyake: Mao's Father
>Unsho Ishizuka: Narration

UPCOMING SHIT:

POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 74 (Mar 12th)
>Abareru-kun's Pokémon Trade Journey, This Installment in Which He Heads to Shizuoka with Louis Kurihara! / Giza-Happy Info on the PokéResort!

SM19 - Intense Electric Shock Training! A Rematch with Kapu-Kokeko!! (Mar 23rd)
>Satoshi has gone to visit his classmate Māmane at his house after school. He's there to get advice from the Electric type expert Māmane to prepare for his rematch against Kapu-Kokeko. He then incorporates Māmane's opinion in his training, and he and his Pokémon feel this is getting good results. But then Kapu-Kokeko suddenly appears.

SM20 - The Promise Between Satoshi and Pikachu (Apr 6th)
>Satoshi has gone shopping with his classmates when he hears talk about a small island located nearby that's known under the name "Treasure Island". Satoshi immediately set off for Treasure Island, and as he spent some alone time with Pikachu there, he once again strengthened his feelings towards it. And as it was getting dark, a mysterious, shining Pokémon appeared in the sky, and......?

SM21 - It is Time for Nyabby to Set Off! (Apr 6th)
>As Satoshi is in the city doing some shopping, he spots the Nyabby he has has met before. He goes to Nyabby's home, where the old Mooland that guides Nyabby in life is. And after a while, Nyabby incredibly enough asks Satoshi for help. It appears that Mooland is extremely ill, and as Satoshi hears Nyabby tell him this, he...

POKÉMON XY&Z CHARACTER SONG PROJECT COLLECTION VOL 2:
http://www53.zippyshare.com/v/6lUViAS6/file.html

ALOLA!:
https://mega.nz/#!EAcUCTrZ!pVFBHejs9JcUzK7M1YE2oQ_ns753N5O0ldYFfHW_ra0

POSE:
https://mega.nz/#!TlYTBZ5A!kZi8TzDkFIHwsU10_0PuZrVDoymIGjuPWWg0XcXxDws

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I love Lillie

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The Lillie song:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm30768827

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10 years old.

>>32030860
Pretty.

>>32030869
Hi Scott

Don't bully Rotom

>>32030892
He bullies himself.

>>32030889
bet it smells terrible

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>>32030869
It's Japan, what do you expect?

>XY&Z SPECIAL 2 SUBS
The last episode of XY
It's over lads We need to move on

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>>32030917
I expect more of this.

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Dawn best girl.

>>32030929
Wh-what does the arrow pointing to her butt say?

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>>32030869
>>32030917
>>32030958
Nice.

>>32030959
Cute round butt

Fuck off, Scott

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One thing I also noticed is May is the only main girl who wears red. All the other girls wear a mix of yellow, pink or black, but May's red outfit really stands out more compared to the other girls outfits. Red outfits look good on girls.

>>32030985

>>32030977

>>32030985
>One thing I also noticed is May is the only main girl who wears red.
What about Misty's suspenders or Serena's apron/skirt?

>>32030999
>Misty's suspenders
Brown
>Serena's apron
Pink

?

>>32030985
Serena wore red

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>>32031008
>>Serena's apron
>Pink
The dress is pink, the apron is red.

>The Topkek rematch they're pushing as the big event to pay attention to is written by Omode rathe than Tomioka or Matsui

Odd

>>32031056
Only on her skirt and her outfit changed after 59 episodes. Her jacket was red but the least noticeable thing about her outfit.

Dawn and Serena also wore black vests, then Serena's second outfit was mostly pink. Misty wore mostly yellow, and Iris shirt is tan with a pink bottom.

>>32031065
That's not an apron.
And her actual apron was pink.

>>32031065
Apron?

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Rate my wife.

>>32031074
Oh well you know what i mean, the jacket thing, don't know exactly what it is.

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Something about SM I like so far is that the Pokemon Ash has faced so far haven't been low battle experienced Pokemon, besides the Skull Grunt's Pokemon that is.

Within the first 20 episodes he'll have fought Tapu Koko twice, defeated a Totem Pokemon and a Kahuna. I'm pretty sure that's the most he's accomplished in a region by this point in time.

Johto had Ash win against Falkner by using Charizard.
AG had Ash lose to Norman in a 1V1 and defeat Roxanne for his first gym badge.
DP had Ash fighting Paul a few times and defeating Roark after a initial loss.
BW he lost to a starter Snivy, defeated the first gym, and the 2nd gym in a rematch.

Pikachu was a key player in all of the SM fights, but Rowlet proved useful in in the battles it took part in. It's going to be really interesting how the power levels are going to look further down the line in Sun and Moon. In XY we didn't get a real look into the power levels that we'd see for the rest of the series until Korrina was introduced along with Mega Evolution.

It's going to be interesting to see just how powerful Ash and his opponents are going to get.

>>32031105
I have to rate Xia? the pre-state Xiongnu tribe?
Okay.

lol, jk. no rate

Why is Scott all over this thread?

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Do you think even May's panties/bra are red? I think her bikini's give you a good idea of how her underwear looks.

>>32031117
I'm glad they didn't nerf him. Even in XY they had him struggle against Surskit. Sure it was level 1000, but still a Surskit.

The general consensus is

Tier 1
XY, DP

Tier 2
AG, OS

Tier 3
BW, SM

>>32031165
Separate Johto from the OS and put it in Tier 3, move BW and SM to tier 4.

Johto was so fundamentally different than Kanto and Orange Islands I don't know why people jumble it together.

>>32031170

Tier 1
XY, DP

Tier 2
AG, Kanto OS

Tier 3
Johto OS

Tier 4
BW, SM

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>>32031137
Maybe.

>>32031165
>it's the general consensus because I say so

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I hope Rowlet does evolve. It has potential for a good arc, maturing and becoming more serious while still retaining some silly traits. And at the end of the series it can come back to its family a fully grown Decidueye and make them proud.

I wouldn't be too mad if it doesn't evolve cause Rowlet is cute as hell but it'd be a missed opportunity.

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>>32031165
>Not liking every season equally

>>32031245
My opinion is better than yours, so yes.

>>32031249
>while still retaining some silly traits
It writes itself when the pokedex entry for Decidueye says it can get easily startled

>>32022041

>>32030847

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>>32031249
Rowlet it likely going to evolve, even if for now it's just a cute orb who likes to laze around.

It's been said again and again in the show that Rowlet is incredibly strong as we've seen through it's fights. It's leg power would increase by evolving into it's 2nd stage and then even further as it evolves into Ghostbird giving all that strength into its arms.

But Rowlet is the one starter I'm 100% okay with staying in it's starting form.

Bulbasaur and Squirtle were both monsters despite not evolving, Rowlet could easily be the same.

I'd rather it stay a Rowlet rather then it go the Torterra or Pignite route.

>>32031117
Ash himself isn't powerful though. He's quite incompetent. Especially if you compare him to DP/XY Ash in the beginning. So far only pikachu and protagonist armor has made him win. Plus the fact that the power creep has been lowered a tone with no megas and a legendary like tapu koko has shown to be extremely underwhelming so far.

>>32031449
But if he evolves, he won't be able to fit in Ash's bag!

>>32031483
>He's quite incompetent. Especially if you compare him to DP/XY Ash in the beginning.

What the fuck are you talking about? He literally just explained how Ash has done better in early SM than other sagas. He was not fighting megas at this point in XY, he was struggling against fucking shitbugs. How has koko been underwhelming?

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>>32031483
Tapu Koko's introduction fight was more about showing Ash using a Z-Move rather then having an actual battle, but what that fight and episode showed us was that Tapu Koko is really fucking fast. Fast Pokemon have always been major threats more so then slow bulky Pokemon.

Greninja, Helioptile, Sceptile, Hawlucha, etc. Tapu Koko being a speedy legend at the start of the series who Ash faces multiple times is awesome.

While you may feel the battles are lack luster, the power levels we've seen Ash take on in the first 20 episodes is much higher then anything he's faced before in that time.

>>32031500
The biggest downside.

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>>32031540
I don't think Rowlet will evolve. He's more marketable than Decidueye. Litten's arc is also more dramatic, so he's likely the ace. Remember the concept art too, everything about it has come true in spite of all the denial.

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I like the dynamic Kukui and Ash have, I hope we have more segments of them as the series progresses because if they do indeed battle it could be a really touching one. Remember how he was supposed to battle Kukui when he was being welcomed to the school? It would have been nice if they battled then and again later on towards the end of the series.

>>32031430
That's...actually pretty fair.

>>32031517
Underwhelming in power. Tapu koko isn't put out as a legendary. Pikachu and plot armour made him win. Ash himself hasn't had the usual out of the box strategies. It has been a lot more call out attacks with Pilachu being able to take a billion in damage because of plot and his pokemon doing shit Ash didn't tell them to do. Shit like using iron tail on the ice field to stand still and use electro ball on itself to negate sleep powder simply doesn't exist in SM because Ash himself is incompetent and has a much much bigger plot armour than in previous beginnings.

Mipha = Dawn
Zelda = Serena

Discuss.

>>32031559
The episodes are made 6 months prior to the air time, so market busniess doesn't mean anything for now.

Also why not have 2 fully evolved starters again? I actually would like to see Incineroar and Decidueye teaming up togther in a big fight.

>>32031568
Reminder that Pikachu dodging most of the All Out Pummeling can be compared to using protect on a Z move. Rowlet using its stealth in the Trial led to Ash using that tactic in the battle against Hala.

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>>32031569
Some people didn't buy the faulty Nintendo Switch so they can't compare them to those Zelda characters.

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>>32031568
Ash has had 2 official battles in Sun and Moon and that was against Hala and James.

James Ash used Rowlet for the first time so you shouldn't have expected much, but he countered Mirror Move with his own "Mirror Move".

VS Hala he didn't do any Iron Tail/Ice Field type activity because it wasn't that kind of battle.

That fight had Pikachu use it's speed to out maneuver Hariyama before bringing it to its knees by taking out the legs. As well as using Quick Attack to dodge most of All-Out Pummelling.

The VS Dekagoose fight had Pikachu using Sand Attack to mask itself from Dekagoose to launch a barrage of Quick Attacks, and Rowlet using Leafage to conceal itself to get behind the Yungoose.

You say that he's not competent, but Ash does know what he's doing.

>>32031602
It got hit by a belly drum Z-move. Saying it dodged it is pure head canon.

>>32031616
I will summaries what you wrote.

>he is incompetent because according to me he didn't need to be competent in those battles

Why are you reaching so fucking much?

Ash hasn't come up strategies and pikachu and most of all plot armour has made him win so far. That is what we have seen. Everything else is pure headcanon.

>>32031595
I guarantee you they haven't even started on the episodes where anything fully evolves. They can gauge Rowlet's popularity long before that.

>>32031618
>pure head canon
Did you even watch the episode or just read a summary? Did you even play the games?

All-Out Pummeling is a combo. He evaded dozens of hits and only took one at the end. He dodged most of it.

>>32031638
>let me completely misrepresent your argument so it's easier for me to refute

Ever heard of a strawman?

Why do people say Ash lost to surskit like it had something to do with power? Her strategy was what shut down Ash. It was shown that Surskit was weak, like when thunderbolt vs signal beam. I wouldn't mind seeing some good strategies from Ash's opponents.

>>32031638
What? I gave specifics to where he showed his skill.

Just because he doesn't do shit like Rock Tomb Tomb or the Iron Tail in the ground doesn't mean Ash isn't competent, do you even know what the word means?

What you want are bizarre strategies to counter attacks, and while you may not like it, using Quick Attack to dodge most of a power boosted Z-Move is that. It may not be super flashy, but that's what it is. There's a reason Hala was surprised by that.

>>32031645
They likely have an idea what they want Rockruff to evolve into given it's capture episode.

>>32031449
Sniperborb is apparently really popular in Japan. It's evolving.

>>32031684
It wasn't due to power, Ash got out skilled in that battle. His confidence was shot from BW which I'm glad was something that was carried over to the start of XY and after getting past that he was able to move forward with help from his friends and Alexa to overcome Viola's abilities.

Viola was fucking tough for a starter gym.

>>32031655
It being a combo is also a headcanon of yours. Nothing has actually stated it. And I have watched it several times. Last time I argued about this you said they said in the episode Pikachu dodged most of it but they didn't say it.

I can literally just day that karate chop is a combo because it only hit one time against. Same with aerial ace and cut.

Again, headcanon garbage are not arguments.

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>>32031685
>given it's capture episode.
Not a good way to judge I think. There were lots of red herrings with Serena's Eevee, but in the end they simply went the safe route with Sylveon. Pretty likely they'll do the same with Rockruff into Sundog.

>>32031685
But you didn't? Most of the examples you gave wasn't because of Ash but the pokemon acting on their own. Ash literally just called out the attack.

He has been shown to be incompetent compared to Ash in other beginnings but this time he has a much bigger plot armour.

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>>32031708
This has to be bait, no one is this retarded.

Had all the hands collided with Pikachu it would have been over. Pikachu dodged dozens which would have all done massive damage to it due to it's dodging it didn't take the full brunt of the attack.

>>32031727
DELET

>>32031736
Again, is karate chop, aerial ace and cur combos as well? It's literally a headcanon. You have not actual proof.

>>32031697
This is the main thing that makes me think Rowlet will evolve. Decidueye is popular, it wouldn't really make sense to evolve Litten into Incineroar (consistently the least popular Alola starter) and not have Rowlet evolve into Decidueye.

>>32031705
It wasn't a "starter gym". People need to stop acting like there's some specific order to the gymsin the anime and the gym leaders in the "early ones"" are shitty trainers you're garbage if you lose against. This has never been the case, and the anime has made clear many times that the leaders vary their teams and strategies depending on the challenger's skill, since their job is to test them.

>>32031708
>Last time I argued about this you said they said in the episode Pikachu dodged most of it
I've never argued this with anyone. Stop conflating everyone who disagrees with you into one person.

The animation is literally, observably a combo attack you fuckwit. He only got hit with one swing. Anime doesn't rigidly follow game rules, it's more common sense, and common sense dictates that one hit does less damage than a barrage of hits.

I like how you both downplay and inflate adherence to game mechanics whenever it suits your bias.

>>32031760
Popular isn't really and argument unless we're talking Charizard/Greninja tier. Rowlet is more popular than its final stage. Just like Oshawatt.

>>32031735
>Calling out an attack isn't the same as telling Pikachu to stand on its tail
Nigger its the same thing.

Telling Pikachu to use Quick Attack to dodge All-Out Pummeling is the same as telling it to use Iron Tail to dodge Aura Sphere or Draco Meteor, the only difference is that one uses his feet the other his tail.

>>32031762
You know what I mean, for Ashs first Gym Battle in the region it was tough.

>>32031769
I guessed you was him but my bad then.

Again, it's purely a headcanon no matter how much you try to deny it. Nothing you say will change this.

>>32031756
Potentially, yes. A barrage of Karate Chops would deal more damage than just one. That's common fucking sense.

>>32031782
>saying damage is mitigated by taking one hits instead of many is headcanon
ESLs are truly braindead.

>>32031771
But the same thing could be said about Litten. It's even more pronounced with Litten considering Litten is the 2nd most popular first stage while Incineroar always polls as the least popular third stage.

>>32031780
I was talking about vs Dekagoose. Ash called out Quick Attack. Pikachu started to run around it. Rowlet suddenly appeared behind it. Fucking Ash was even surprised. The pokemon acted on their own. And calling out quick attack and dodge is really low tier strategy and can't even be compared to shit like rock tomb tomb.

>>32031780
Most of his first gym battles have been pretty tough, actually. Falkner nearly beat his fucking CHARIZARD, he only beat Roxanne because he had prepared for the battle well in advance, and Roark was a fucking beast.

Hell, even Corn had a really solid anti-Electric strategy in place that managed to beat Pikachu without taking a single hit.

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>>32031718
I'm torn, I love Sundog but at the same time Lunardog fits Ash just as well with its fighting style.

If we get Sundog I hope it winds up fighting similar to the Arcanine from the B2W2 trailer, it was savage.

>>32031796
Yes, but as far as third stages go, Incineroar has good potential as an Ashmon. Decidueye does too, but Rowlet is more valuable than Litten.

>>32031808
Incineroar looks likely and I doubt they'd give Ash two edgy fighters.

>>32031785
Yea, doesn't mean the original power was in all of them just like in all out pummelin. It doesn't mean the original power was in all of them either. One hit might as well be the actual original power with the rest being that times hits. Another headcanon for you.

>>32031805
I still think Roark was strategically more interesting than any of his XY battles.

The prble with SM's battles isn't so much that they're portrayed Ash as weak, which they aren't, it's that they're just not very well written. I hope they go back to having Tomioka write the big battles. Matsui just doesn't have that much experience with them.

>>32031812
Yeah, that's true. Rowlet is really popular, more popular than its later stages and the other Alola starters. At this point it looks like there's an equally good chance of it evolving or not evolving.

>>32031796
Rowlet is much more popular than Litten. None of the fully evolved starters are even close to as popular ash shit like Greninja. This is very similar to gen 5. And we know what happened there.

>>32031760
There's a difference between Litten and Rowlet though in the anime, Litten's goal is to become stronger. To do that it has to evolve, Rowlet is happy just being able to laze around and looks at battling as something secondary to that.

Litten evolving makes more sense given its personality of being a protector and wanting to get stronger.

>>32031802
A strategy is a strategy no matter how "advanced" it may be.

As for the Rowlet Leafage thing, that's more along the lines of Ash and Rowlet still learning to fight together. That was only their second battle together, the first being against James. It could also be looked at as Rowlet knowing ahead of time what Ash was going to order next, similar to how Greninja would already be in the middle of using Cut or Aerial Ace before Ash ordered it. Not while in AshGreninja mode I mean.

>>32031805
>people bitch about BW Ash "losing to a water Pokemon with Pikachu"
>leave out the fact that the Water Pokemon in question had used Mud Sport
That shit was always retarded. Mud Sport got a power boost in gen 5 too.

>>32031819
Actually it does because All Out Pummeling is inherently a combo attack. You can see it in the animation. Just like Close Combat. Aerial Ace is also two hits, normally.

No, each individual attack of a combo wouldn't be the full power of the combo. Your second statement still follows the common sense that more hits would be more damage, thus Pikachu did mitigate lots of damage by avoiding many of the hits.

>>32031837
It really isn't. You can rate strategies and how impressive they have been. So far Ash's "strategies" has been very underwhelming and unimpressive making him seem a lot less competent. Ash has always been thinking outside of the box but SM hasn't lived up to that which is quite sad.

>As for the Rowlet Leafage thing, that's more along the lines of Ash and Rowlet still learning to fight together. That was only their second battle together, the first being against James. It could also be looked at as Rowlet knowing ahead of time what Ash was going to order next,

Great, more headcanons

>>32030799
No science dub :(

>>32031854
What exactly would have been a better strategy against Gumshoos or Hariyama? Competence isn't just coming up with convoluted shit, it's adapting to your challenge, and he did just that. Again you're completely misdefining competence.

>implying Matsui knows how to write proper battles

>>32031847
But that's literally your headcanon you have absolutely nothing thay proves it. Heck, as soon as all out pummeling hits it might stop. It would also mean it would almost never be used at ita full power since all the hits would almost never hit the target simple because they would didge or get blown away. And if we're going along your headcanon that it was like using protect it still had a fucking belly drum. It should hit harder than if all the attacks hit pikachu without belly drum.

Again, spouting headcanons at each other will get us nowhere. Pikach got hit by an attack from a belly drum Hariyama and survived. That is what we saw.

Why are you even wasting time on SM, it's full of shit so why bother?

>>32031854
So "headcannon" is going to be the new buzzword around here huh?

Ash used the Leafage strategy against Hala, that there invalidates your "headcannon" claim.

>>32031878
It's coming. Sorry.

>>32031902
>So "headcannon" is going to be the new buzzword around here huh?
It's literally just one guy, anon.

>>32031881
If he actually commanded Pikachu to run around it to confus it would be strategy. If he actually commanded Rowlet to hide behind its leafage and go behind it, it would be strategy. The writers could have thought of A LOT of strategies. Especially since it was a double battle. Just look at Ash vs Olympia.

https://youtu.be/GcjapDv4ftI

>>32031893
Defend your position without using the word head canon, you sound like an idiot when that's your only argument.

>>32031922
Ash commanded Rowlet to use leafage to mask itself against Hala.

>>32031893
>Heck, as soon as all out pummeling hits it might stop.

That's not how it works you fuck. Literally look at the All Out Pummeling animation in the game. The move gets all of its hits in and deals full damage. The anime works on different principles where a move can be avoided, or do less damage if it's blocked, or scrapes the opponent rather than hits directly, or misses some of its hits, etc.

The fact that dodging most of its hits was a visible and spoken plot point means it made a difference, it had an impact on the outcome.

>>32031902
You mean a strategy that fucking Rowlet used on its own that Ash literally had to see for himself so he could use it instead of actually coming up with it himself? It's a good strategy and nothing wrong with using other's strategy but it isn't outside the box thinking Ash. And it being pretty much the peak so far in terms of strategy is really really shitty writting and makes Ash look a lot less competent.

>>32031933
But that is what I literally did in that post? Are you retarded? Mate, you're just repeating yourself over and over again with the same headcanon. You don't have any actual proof. Only your own impression of it.

>>32031938
But it wasn't a spoken plot point. Again, in the game it isn't counted ash 15 times X like combo moves are which is an argument against it. Visuals alone isn't proof since like I stated before we have seen PLENTY of single hit moves hitting several times. Even in the games. Lots of single hit moves in the game does in fact have a multi hit animation.

>>32031950
You seem to forget that Ash gets a lot of ideas through watching other Pokemon fight.

>Rock Tomb Tomb through watching the Dragagle and Skrepl
>Waking up Pikachu with Electroball through Clemonts robot malfunction
>Ice Aqua Jet through watching Dawns Contests

I can't remember how he came up with Counter Shield, but I assume it was watching Dawn perform.

>>32031999
By your logic, Ash shouldn't even be able to use Quick Attack to dodge it, or dodge any move for that matter. You can't claim that one thing from the games should be in the anime but something else can't.

To be fair, I think Ash will be competent in SM, but not as much as in DP or XY. Probably around his AG level or a little higher.

Hala's battle was kinda meh, eh. Not that good, kinda average.

>>32032024
Yea, he comes up with them from somewhat similar events. Not literally a fucking pokemom showing him exactlt how it's done. It can't be compared. Become inspired by something and being taught something are two completely different things.

>>32032044
Ash is competent enough, the issue is that we've seen very few battles and they've all been poorly written.

>>32032024
>By your logic, Ash shouldn't even be able to use Quick Attack to dodge it, or dodge any move for that matter.

What does that have to do with what I said?

>You can't claim that one thing from the games should be in the anime but something else can't.

But you claim this? Mutliple single hit moves have multi hit visuals. According to you only all out pummeling counts as a multi hit move because its visuals shows that even though it has a set damage and other set damage moves have multi hit visuals. You're literally saying all out pummeling is a special case when it isn't at all.

>>32031999
Yes, and in the games the multi hit animation always hits fully, or not at all. The anime is different, it's not restricted by rigid game mechanics. It's been shown countlessly that Pokemon can mitigate the damage in the show in creative ways. Again you are arguing about using non-game strategies in the show then saying this doesn't work because it's different in the games. You're a doublethinking hypocrite.

>>32032076
>The anime is different, it's not restricted by rigid game mechanics. It's been shown countlessly that Pokemon can mitigate the damage in the show in creative ways. Again you are arguing about using non-game strategies in the show then saying this doesn't work because it's different in the games. You're a doublethinking hypocrite.

But you brought up the game visuals for all out pummeling as an argument first and I simply proved you wrong that it wasn't something unique that a single hit damage had multi hit visuals. And now you accuse me of being a hypocrite? Read wtf I'm writing and what you yourself write before spouting random words like "hypocrite". Now we're back and square one. You got not argumenrs and we can only fling headcanons at each other but this time you fling random insults out of context.

>>32032053
No, there's no difference.

Look at Ramos' gym.

The start taught Ash to be patient and to pay attention to the surroundings and to take everything in.

He used what he learned there to win.

That's both being inspired and using what he's learned to win.

Also, take time to edit your responses and not post trash English.

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>>32032111
But it is? Ramos literally didn't show Ash exactlt how to do it. He a guided and inspired Ash. Rowlet did none of those things. He taught Ash his own strategy.

Yea, english is my 3rd language and I'm phonefagging. So shit like "no" turns to "not" and "at" to "and" for some shitty reason. But my english doesn't have anything to do with this.

>>32032104
Yes, you fucking idiot, I specifically said the ANIMATIONS, not the MECHANICS. The mechanics dictate that the move either hits for full damage or doesn't hit at all. The animation shows that it's comprised of many hits, and in a real time, non-turn-based-game setting could be mitigated by various degrees, not just all or nothing. We've observed this countless times in the show.

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>>32032133
Rowlet inspired Ash with how it always appears next to him out of nowhere.

That caused Ash to use Leafage to mask his presence.

That, by your definition is a strategy Ash came up with on his own.

>>32032146
I miss it.

>>32032143
But it literally isn't an argument since multi hit visuals in the games has been seen as single hit visuals in the anime. The argument itself doesn't carry any weight at all. Visuals in the games means nothing and can't be used as arguments.

>>32032154
Not to mention that Ash already did this many times with Greninja. He just didn't fully appreciate Rowlet's speed.

>>32032162
Bunnelby using double slap, your point is now invalid.

>>32032154
It didn't inspire him. It taught him. Ash used Rowlet's strategy.

>>32032169
?

Care to expand on that? What does that prove?

>>32032162
When has Close Combat ever been shown as a single hit? All Out Pummeling is just a Z version of that.

The only example I can think of is Aerial Ace sometimes being a single kick. But both cases were clearly putting all the force into one swing, whereas Hariyama was using a combo attack. So avoiding most of the hits mitigated the damage.

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>>32032170
No, now you're changing everything because it suits you. Rowlet appears beside Ash, startles Ash, and Ash decides to use that against Crabrawler.

You keep changing the definition of taught and inspire, when there isn't a difference in this case. Being taught and being inspired are the same thing in this case.

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>>32031922
>using Olympia as an example AGAINST plot armor

lmao

how many fucking times did they get hit by helping hand boosted STAB future sights and psyshocks?

haven't watched the show since the Ash vs Hala episode, can anyone give me a quick rundown of what happened?

>>32032257

the rothschilds bow to ash

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>>32032220
But now game visuals are okey to use as proof all of sudden? Aerial ace, cut and karate chop was shown to hit both mutliple and single hit.

>>32032231
Rowlet literally showed Ash it in the totem battle Rowlet acted on its own and LITERALLY showed Ash the strategy. Ramos just guided him. He didn't literally say "Let Froagdoer stand in the middle and try to locate Gogoat in the razor leaf storm".

The only one the change things to fit their agenda is you. Ash was taught it by Rowlet. To guided/inspired/etc. Taught.

>>32031922
Sad, but true. SM Ash is actually calling attacks in reckless abandon without thinking. Plot armor and DEM actually secured his 2 victories.

SM Ash is actually a Z move babby with zero brains and 100% guts and stupidity.

>>32032239
Both sides took a shit tone of damage retard.

>>32032286
Nice falseflagging. Don't ever respond to me again.

>>32032284
You can use game visuals when the show visuals match them. I already said that the problem is basing it on binary all or nothing game mechanics, like you are. Yes, Hawlucha's diving karate chop against Heliolisk would do more damage per hit than his quick standing chops against Machamp. This is an anime fight, not a turn based RPG.

>>32032284
Guided and show mean the same thing.

Rowlet showed Ash it's speed in the Totem fight, Ash used that speed to surprise Hala.

Ramos showed Ash how to be patient, and Ash used that patients to defeat Ramos.

If you want to use "Guided" Rowlet guided Ash by showing it that it's fast and sneaky just as how Ramos guided Ash into using patients.

>>32032239
But both the teams took a crap tone of damage? One of those cats took a fucking brave bird, helping hand boosted psyshock, helping hand boost SE dark pulse, helping hand boosted future sight, light screen water pulse and flame charge before going down.

>>32032320
Ramos is a bad example anyway. Frogadier just pulled sensory powers out of his ass while tanking grass moves like it's nothing. That fight is actually a prime example of plot armor and it's funny that the other guy defends it.

>>32032310
Are you serious? Are you saying you can use them sometimes but sometimes not? That isn't an argument. It only shows that they can't be used as a point at all because of how often they aren't the same as in the anime.

>>32032320
No it isn't. You guide somebody to find out the answer for themself. Showing means you're telling them the answer.

>>32032257
Lilie got a Vulpix named Snowball that she's actually able to touch and Ash got a doggo.

That's literally it.

>>32032331
You mean the frog that has always since the start been alerted to sound and even has that in his fucking event description used it? NO WAY?

>>32032347
No, showing means your showing the way to the answer, telling is telling them the answer.

>>32032336
I'm saying that you should be basing them on the show, not the game. It was your argument in the first place that it's a single attack because it is in the game, when in the game you can't mitigate some of its hits, you're either hit by all or none. The anime isn't as binary.

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>>32032257
here you go.

>>32032376
What?

Sauce?

>>32032257

Kiawe has a family

Team rocket beat Ash fair and square

pancakes

Lillie got a Vulpix, She can also touch it

Ash got Rockruff, the one that suppose to be Kukui's

Litten is a badass

Rotom-dex being Rotom-dex

>>32032364
No, you're literally showing them the answer. Like Rowlet showed Ash ITS strategy. Ramos didn't show Ash. He guided Ash which made him use what he said. He guided Ash.

>>32032395
So nothing but Rockruff and Vulpix? Got it

>>32032396
How is "calm down" even strategy? All he did was have Frogadier focus and somehow ignore the damage he was taking. That's basically "Frogadier, use plot armor."

>>32031727
Can you please gently slice your throat while trying to say "I'm a faggot"? It's for research

>>32032405
Rotom-dex got a video camera function, doubt it will be very important but it might.

Litten reciprocated Ash's help by protecting the other starters. He's also a tricky fucker. They built his character a bit and their relationship.

He forgot to mention TR captured Mareanie, which is how they beat Ash.

Not a lot but it's something.

>>32032406
I'm not saying it wasn't some level of plot armor. Because it will always be plot armour. SM just has times the usual amount of plot armour and times less actual strategy. Ash told frogadier what to do. Frogadier being able to take that much damage can be seen as some level of plot armour but it isn't comparable or even relevant to saying that Rowlet showing Ash its own made strategy is it being Ash's own strategy.

>>32032395
>Team rocket beat Ash fair and square
Stop watching shitsubs

>>32032432
The only one that is actually plot related would be the TR one. SM has the slowest start yet. And quite disappointing as well.

>>32032441
Do you mean Rowlet appearing behind Ash? That's not strategy, that's just showing his speed. Ash combined that with using Leafage for cover.

I mean, did you ever complain about Froakie's frubble clones that he always created without Ash's command?

>>32032452
>if it's not plot points it doesn't matter
Character building matters in a story, faggot. If you just want plot you might as well read a summary instead of watching the show. Which seems to be what you're doing.

>>32032460
Rowlet literally used leafage and went behind in the totem battle. Wtf are you on about? And who said frubbles was Ash's idea? He was taught by Froakie about it. Just like Rowlet taught him that strategy.

>>32032471
There was character building?

>>32032476
Yes, I described it, can you even read?

>>32032476
Kaki's episode had some.

>>32032481
Sorry m8, must have missed it.

>>32032471
But the characters have been barely built because there's so many of them. Only Kiawe and Lillie got some character built in them which still is much worse than compared to other companions in other series at this point.

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>>32032231
Possible foreshadowing for Rowlet evolving into sneaky, technically-the-fastest-Alola-starter Decidueye?

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OH SHIT DATA BROADCASTS. GET HYPE!

>>32032473
It's a strategy that Ash has been using endlessly. He would do it with frog all the time. He just wasn't aware of Rowlet's ability to go that fast, and then was reminded against Hala.

>>32032493
It's sad how one pokemon got more character development in 2 episodes than all of the human companions thought.

>>32032542
It wasn't a strategy. It was an extra move that Ash used. Rowlet literally used leafage and went behind it. Ash had nothing to do with the strategy. Rowlet showed him. It wasn't he who came up with it.

>>32032562
Where the strategy came from doesn't change the fact that it's a strategy. It's a specific way to use Leafage, to set up for the next attack.

Pikachu was also the one who came up with anchoring his tail to the ground during their training.

>XY league broadcasts

What are you doing?

>>32032636
Getting a membership card for the formerly-not-banned club.

I miss the data broadcast. Why the fuck did they remove that?

>>32032710
XY previews spoiled way too much 2bh

>>32032751
Nah, it created hype and speculations. Two things that are non existent now unless it's extremely forced.

>>32032769
It fucking ruined all the surprise. Imagine if Ash-Greninja hadn't been spoiled immediately. Imagine if we saw Greninja for the first time as the silhouette against Olympia, people baffled by the red parts, some dismissing it, some in awe. Then the transformation happens and everyone goes batshit. THAT would have been hype.

Plus other shit like spoiling all the big attacks in gyms and the league. Just made it all underwhelming when it turned out, yes, those were the final attacks, we showed you everything before it happened.

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>>32032751
Your opinion is shit Tbh.

>>32032836
>I enjoy having no surprises whatsoever
The XY apologism is real.

>>32032846
no surprises is better than the shit show that the finale battle in the league caused.

The general consensus is that the removal of data broadcast hurts these threads, yes.

>>32032827
At the time it sure as hell didn't fell like it since it was extremely hype. I take hype over surprises everyday and we still got plenty of surprises.

>>32032872
But both of those things happened. They spoiled all the good parts, and the only part they hid, the finale, was shit. They could have both good, spoiler-free previews and not shit writing.

>>32032846
Pro tip kiddo. Apologism only work to use as a buzzword for shitty series like johto, BW and SM.

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>>32032890
Selective memory at its finest. The way it was previewed didn't generate hype, it generated "what the fuck is this shit?"

It only redeemed itself in the show to an extent, in the sense that it wasn't quite as stupid as it first looked, but it basically had to work its way up from the initial negative perception. We didn't even learn anything about it that we couldn't infer from the preview, other than the meaning of the water aura. It was really something they needed to reveal gradually, not just spoil and then awkwardly build up to it.

The hype was only because you expected that there was something more to it than the previews, because surely they wouldn't spoil the best parts. Then it turns out they did.

>>32032908
And XY.

>>32032946
Too clothed.

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>>32032979
too bad she's still too clothed

>>32032978
Spoilers generate hype. Are you retarded, the archives are literally there. Just look at any time data broadcasts, pokemon fan, preview etc. It has nothing to do with selective memory when you literally can go back and see it for yourself.

>>32032993
>replying

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>>32032978
>it's the "the only way I can make SM seem good is to shit on XY" poster

>>32032493
>Only Kiawe and Lillie got some character built in them which still is much worse than compared to other companions in other series at this point.

Serena was even worse. She didn't even have a goal until episode 40
she had nothing going for her other than being in love with ash until episode 40. She wasn't plot relevant, she didn't get character development, she didn't battle, she did nothing

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>>32032993
Generating hype isn't worth it if that hype leads nowhere. You get hype because you think there are all these potentially cool things they're NOT showing you, and you speculate and set your expectations. Then it turns out that no, there is nothing more to it, they showed you the best parts that would have been much better had they been a surprise.

A good preview actually leaves room for speculation, otherwise it just spoils it. The word spoil is negative, it means it ruins it.

>>32033005
>it's a "the only way I can defend XY is shit on other seasons" poster
Your hypocrisy is staggering. You can't even defend the spoilers, you just yell "shit opinion" and "apologism is a buzzword!" while being a textbook apologist.

>>32033022
39 episodes then.

>>32033010
B-b-but muh flashback!

>>32033010
I think you'll find that most people agree that Serena's quest was shittily paced, even here.

>SM apologists
I thought they had killed themselves already

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>worthless fatties stuffing themselves as usual

>>32033087
>can't even respond
>parrots insults because he can't form an original thought to save his life

When did I even defend SM, you deflecting faggot?

>>32033088
Need to do something to pass the time when you're in a shit episode

>>32033087
They're just a loud minority.

>>32033133
And you're just a stupid majority. Like Twilight fans. Are you really uironically using argumentum ad populum? You can't even prove it.

>>32031105
0/10

at least according to the Japanese children who watch her
11/10 from me

>>32033157
Japanese children a shit

Fuck off, Scott

I want Ash and Rotom porn

>>32033239
>I want Ash and Serena porn where Rotom has possessed Serena's body, so it's actually Rotom fucking Ash even though he thinks it's Serena

>>32032984
The anime is really bad at designing characters

>actual legit discussion in /padt/

i'm proud and happy of all of you

>>32033250
I just want Ash and Serena porn

>>32033254
Don't jinx it.

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>>32033253
They have some good designs.

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>>32033279
They sure do.

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>>32033292
>They assumed Sophocles was a kissless virgin from the get-go
Comedy gold.

>>32033292
I love it

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>>32033311
Fatfucks are made for mockery.

>>32033292

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>>32033250
Rotom wants to be honest with Satoshi-kun
It would make the first time special

>>32033254
this is the first time in awhile there was a discussion without it getting drowned in constant shitposting, could this mean the future episodes are going to be good and the threads will follow?

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>>32033292
tfw

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>>32033292
That was good, make me chuckle for a bit.

Which are the best animated battles out of every series?

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>>32033258
Too late, I'm afraid. The SM apologist arrived.

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>>32033380
Kanto: Pikachu VS Raichu/Charizard VS Magmar
Johto: Charizard VS Blastoise Johto League
Hoenn: Charizard VS Articuno
Sinnoh: Infernape VS Luxray/Pikachu VS Latios
BW: Pikachu VS Lucario
XY: Greninja VS Bisharp/Charizard

The amount of detail in those final 2 fights in the Kalos League and how smooth it was makes it the best animated fight in the show.

>>32033413
she old

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>>32033413
She looks like a kind of woman who farts during sex. on purpose

>>32033429
>still butthurt
>still no response
>still passive aggressive shitflinging
>implying the debate in question doesn't defend SM

You are so blatantly underage it hurts.

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>>32033292

Any news?

>>32033781
Two new subs, new Pokenchi title, and we got new summaries and a new trailer yesterday.

>>32033781
depends on the news you're looking for.
No movie news yet
Already have the trailer for the next two episode and we'll get another one tomorrow

We just wait now

I'm depressed. Ash's story will never reach a real conclusion, essentially making the entire show retroactively pointless because there's no endgame and Ash never won a league.

>>32033900
I hear suicide helps with depression, Scott.
Give it a try, it can't hurt.

>>32033909
I mean only theoretically. Truthfully I am very happy and plan on living until I'm 99.

I haven't been here much because I'm busy playing Breath of the Wild. Amazing how good the new Zelda is, too bad Gamefreak will never make a huge open world pokemon game with graphics like this.

>>32033430
>Johto: Charizard VS Blastoise Johto League
>Hoenn: Charizard VS Articuno

He said best animated. Not best nostalgia battles. Those two specifically were animated by Yusaku Takeda, known as the worst animator who consistently worked on Pokemon, and the battles he worked on looked like dogshit, including these two. He was finally fired mid-DP thankfully.

>>32032443
>A-ASH SHOULD ALWAYS WIN AGAINST TEAM ROCKET!!!!
>THEY NEVER BEAT ASH! THEY JUST GOT LUCKY!

you must be 18 years old to be on 4chan, sonny

>>32034077
His other animated episodes were usually lacklackluster, but Charizard/Articuno looked pretty good for AG standards at the time. He's no Iwane obviously but it was decent enough.

>>32034110
(you)

Noodle says its generally agreed that the SM anime is the best the show has ever looked:

http://noodlerama.tumblr.com/post/158219058196/theres-no-discourse-about-sunmoon-which-has-been

Do you agree?

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>>32034288
Fuck off back there.

>>32034360
Not Nozomi

>>32034288
Yeah he right

>>32034288
>mostly considered
By who, tumblr?

I feel like there's been a single guy that has been defending SM with tooth and nails all day long in almost every thread: here, the short-lived one at /a/, the two shitposting threads here in /vp/.

>>32034403
It's probably more like 2-3 people, but yeah, I agree. I enjoy some aspects of SM, but I have no reason to go around posting huge defense posts for it.

>>32034403
It is. He has a pretty recognizable posting style and repeats himself a lot.

>>32034288
Not this shit again.

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Poor Rotom will never do anything of importance.
Giving a PokeDex life was a mistake.

>>32031105
I prefer Kokoro.

>>32034288
>>32033976
>>32033900
Fuck off Scott

>>32034429
Sort of like Scott's rabid AG and Mayfaggotry eh?

>>32034633
!

I'm going to guess Mimikyu will start obeying Jessie in the future, after she saves it's life or something. Mimikyu want to be loved after all.

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>>32034415
There's one in particular who's more of an XY and XY fan basher than an SM shill. He was in the thread last night shitting the place up...he spammed about the Ash-Greninja subplot being a waste of time and flamed anyone who disagrees with him, and ranted about how "XYgotes" were apparently ruining everything and persecuting the poor innocent SM fans.

I threw him into my filters so I won't be seeing a lot of his posts anymore.

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>>32034633
>>32034802
>>32034811
>>32034826
>all these typos
>all that OOC Ash sappiness
Cringe

>>32034802
fug..

>>32034842
Are you sure the "Ash you knew" is still the Ash now?

>>32034859
He isn't a gushy-gushy sentimental-sounding guy in SM like in that comic, that's for sure. Especially that last page.

SM17 rating = 3.6

>>32034898
this. it felt so out of character.

>>32034403
>>32034809

I like how you're so butthurt about it that you bring it up unprovoked, hoping other people suck you off and validate your pathetic whining. Maybe try making an effective argument next time, otherwise keep being wrong and asspained about it.

>>32034809
Oh, and all I fucking said was
>XY
>good writing
in response to a shitpost whining about SM. You're the ones who asked me to elaborate so I did, and then answered responses. But of course that triggers you so you call it "spam," fixate on meaningless insults instead of the argument, etc. And then try to get your little groupies to soothe your aching asshole.

Pretty pathetic t b h f a m

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>>32034633
>>32034802
>>32034811
>>32034826
C U T E
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>>32034415
Same. I enjoy SM despite it flaws but I'm not going to go for people's throats if they don't like it.

>>32035069
Apparently a three word greentext is "going at people's throats," when they're the ones who asked for a detailed opinion. I'll throw in an insult when they respond with evasive ad hominem, it's only fair to treat idiots like idiots.

>>32035033
Would Serena suck Ash?

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We're going to be in need of a new tiefu soon, and Ga Olé is in desperate need of some in-media advertisement. So, how about they combine the two and give us a transfer student?

>>32031430
Why's DP so well liked?

>>32035246
It was actually watchable.

>>32031430
Not this shit again. Stop shitposting.

>>32035246
Because Tobias

>>32035265
Tobias is why it loses points.

>>32035246
It's a meme.

>>32035204
Well, now I'm filtering tiefu because of your off topic trash.

>>32034508
if he wasn't as annoying or the show's "straight man" then he'd be more tolerable.

>>32035246
Because other than Brock being shit, DP did a lot of good new things for the anime in terms of story and development. Had they gotten rid of Brock after AG, DP probably would have been even better.

>>32035358
So you call a Pocket Monsters arcade game character off topic, yet you somehow had no problem with it when it was used to refer to a character who isn't even part of the franchise?

Fuck hell, Scott.

name one thing you like about SM and one thing you didn't like about XY(Z).

>>32035425
Lana stripping and not seeing Serena stripping

>>32035418
That's...not Scott. Why would he give a shit?

>>32035425
I like that SM is chill, and Mallow and Kiawe are pretty cool, but it's hard to find more to like when so little is happening.

In XY, I didn't like TR hogging screentime, I didn't like the way the league wrapped up, of course, and I didn't like Serena year one. Most other stuff I liked, especially TF, Zygarde, BroBowl, Serena years two and three, and the ninja arc.

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>>32035425
>Like about SM
Lillie
>Dislike about XY
Serena getting short hair.

>>32035488
>>>/pol/

The SM girls aren't really that interesting, it's just that all their personalities are decent so there's nothing annoying about them. But if you look at all 3 of them...what is there to say? Do any of them stand out compared to the past female companions? I suppose Lana's quiet personality is the most distinct, but other than that Mallow and Lillie are similar to many past girls in the show, as well as rivals like Shauna.

>>32035509
They wont stand out because there are too many characters, if Lillie appeared in DP as main girl she could be the best girl ever.

>>32035509
Hey Scott, here's an idea for you. Why don't you ask longhairfag (>>32035547 and >>32035488) to call up two of his blonde escorts-for-autists and have hen dress up as Lillie and Serena, and then you can meet up with them to have an autistic four-way, and then never come back to 4chan.

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>>32035596
I prefer solo and having a girl that looks like Korrina or Dawn.

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>>32035613
>implying that's why Scott should do it
It's to get him and longhairfag out of the thread.