>SM has bad animation

>>32022041
Even the art style is better than the Xy one, the characters are less compressed, tallest and more proportionated, don't resembles the fucking awful Yokai Watch or Inazuma Eleven style (OLM classic style). Also the excesive bright in the backgrounds disappeared, thanks god.

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Look at this god-tier animation man!

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>>32022041
>>32022185
>>32022202

>>32022041
Nobody who has actually seen the show and knows what they are talking about think the show's animation is bad. They just hate the new art style.

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>>32022185
>animated cutscenes by OLM from the first three Inazuma Eleven games look great
>Go games change style to that of the shitty anime look for "parity", the first Go even uses OLM art for the cover instead of L5 art
>same happened with Danball Senki after the first game

Yo-kai Watch never looked nice though

>>32022041
>>32022202
The battles had great animation in XY too, and it didn't look shit.

>>32022041
nobody that has ever said the animation is bad has meant that the actual animation is bad

they're referring to the new style which makes ash look like he's actually 10 years old now

>>32022041
>ash has a mustache now

wew

>>32022290
For some fucking reason, I can't unsee that now.

>>32022243
Well, sorry if i offensed you or your tastes in my last coment, but, i still think that the Characters in Inazuma Eleven are "compressed", short body and a great head make they look too childish.
For the rest, the special moves and the mayority of the matchs are very well animated.

>>32022041
The whole ashnime has bad animation

>>32022342
No, I'm just going off on a tangent at the mention of the animation of Level-5 properties.

>>32022214
I can take an awful episode from the past series, like the pre-league filler episode, to break your fucking visual argument.
That's playing dirty my friend.

>>32022262
I have seen entire threads of /padt/ be derailed by people saying that the animation in SM is shit. Stop projecting onto others and assuming that everyone thinks like you

>>32022041
It is though.

>>32022376
>doesn't know what projecting is
anon, nobody in these threads has any experience animating. if you weren't completely brain dead you'd realize they were talking about animation style

the animation hasn't gotten worse, that's essentially a meaningless statement, nobody thinks that

>>32022376
see this retard right here >>32022409 is talking about animation style

you were misinterpreting everything.

>>32022214
I dunno if it's animated badly but the way it's shot looks retarded

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>>32022214
Persian is paralyzed

>>32022041
What episode? I haven't been keeping up with SM but I'm always down for some hot blooded pokemon battles.

I think it's fucking hilarious that people hate SM's animation, because it was almost universally agreed that the anime's art was atrociously stagnant for years.

>>32022041
I don't watch the anime but it's honestly looked like shit ever since they started coloring digitally. SM is way better though and doesn't have as many blinding bright colors, and I think the art style is cute.

>>32024169
Episode 10. It's a Kahuna fight.

>>32022214
My mom's first parallaxing attempt

>>32022214
I ATE THOSE LAYERS

>>32024471
I wouldn't be surprised if you also ate the postgame

>>32022185
>Steal digimon film and second season art style
>Get complimented
Don't encourage this, next thing you know they'll add a final evolutionary state after the current ultimate/perfect stage and call it "Mega"

>>32022041
The animation may be smooth and well-done but the artstyle is sewage, and that's what everyone is really complaining about if they say something bad about the artstyle.

>>32022372
Are there any episodes in SM that aren't filler? I haven't been watching it because the artstyle pisses me off and the fact that Ash dropped the only goal he had that's kept the series together for 20 years ruins any chance of the series having stakes, but isn't every episode just Ash and his new friends that he'll surely dump at the end of the generation hanging out and doing wacky shit?

The only episode besides the first one that I watched from beginning to end was the one where Team Rocket finally beat Ash fairly, and Ash did literally nothing of importance in that episode, not even as much plot as an old filler episode where they'd find some filler NPC and help them solve an issue. They were just at the beach doing fuck-all until Team Rocket showed up and actually did something.

>>32025244
*if they say something bad about the animation

>>32022214
This is a reference to WW2, that A-Persian is goosestepping

>>32022041
>>SM has bad animation
it does. they're talking about the art style you dumb cunt

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>>32022041
>wacky camera angles = good animation

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>>32025307
>the animation is bad
>no it isn't
>you fucking retard, I was obviously referring to the art style when I said animation so when you're saying the animation isn't bad that doesn't matter because I wasn't actually talking about the animation when I said animation
Why don't you say art style then instead of saying animation?

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>>32025763
do you not know how to greentext .. ? wtf

and notice how i said:
>they're talking about the art style
>they're
donuts think "bad animation" is tantamount to "bad art style", of course it isn't, so crying about how people say "bad animation" when the animation isn't technically bad, when that isn't even what people mean, is pretty stupid

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>>32022041
i rest my case op.
everyone who defends this trash needs to leave

>>32025244
>Ash dropped the only goal he had that's kept the series together for 20 years
No he hasn't. He's focused on other interests before. He traveled around Kanto again to challenge the Battle Frontier.

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>>32025862
That was a filler season to keep Ash busy because Gen 4 was taking too long, just like how Gen 2 took three years to make and they had to make the Orange League to keep the anime from going on hiatus.

Comparing the main story of Alola's anime to pure filler does not help your season's case.

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>>32025815
>one side is a shot from the series itself
>the other is promotional art
At least pick comparable images. Also still images say nothing about animation.

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>>32025886
Those things aren't relevant to the point. Ash chose to pursue something outside of his main goal before so doing it again for a main series (something that means nothing in-universe) isn't dropping his goal.

Also Ash caught Snorlax and gained Charizard's respect in Orange Islands and his Phanpy evolved evolved in Battle Frontier so calling them filler would be inaccurate. Plus Battle Frontier served an advertising purpose for Emerald and FRLG.

>>32025934
And Grovyle evolved, can't forget that.

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>>32025934
>(something that means nothing in-universe)
It means something out of universe, which is the important thing. Who gives a shit about in-universe when it's never consistent? Ash throws away all his Pokémon, throws away all his friends, and reverts to the competence of a beginning trainer with a Level 5 Pikachu every season.

Only the meta matters in the Pokémon anime at this point, and this season is doomed to have nothing of importance in it whatsoever because Ash is literally doing nothing during it besides fuck around in slice-of-life scenarios.

>>32025954
>It means something out of universe, which is the important thing
Not to what I was replying to which was this statement
>Ash dropped the only goal he had that's kept the series together for 20 years
He's not dropping it if he's focused on other things before which is exactly what the Battle Frontier and Orange League were. He'll be back to his goal the next time it comes up.

>>32026070
And how do we know Gen 8 will be the next time it comes up, or Gen 9? From what I understand you people actually like Alola's anime and it's doing favorably regarding ratings, isn't it? What if they decide slice-of-life is the new permanent style for it?

Either way this generation's anime is done before it even started. At least XY had false hopes of him beating the league even if we all knew inside he'd job.

>>32026081
>And how do we know Gen 8 will be the next time it comes up, or Gen 9?
We don't but it'll come back, it might even happen near the end of SM since that's what happens in the game.

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The battles aren't as good as XY and reminds me too much of Yokai watch.

>>32025815
Right looks better than left.

>>32026251
I hope they get rid of that Bewear soon.

>>32026268
I want them to catch it and use it rather than using it as Blast off replacement

>>32022041
I know that people have complained about the 'art style change', but at this point it feels like some false-flag shitposting.

The real half-informed criticism is that SM is even MORE boring and nonthreatening to an even younger audience, especially for viewers coming off of the big XY finale where you had some big stakes and emotions going on.

>>32026337
It's pretty boring, barely anything happens in an episode.

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SM has better animation and general aesthetic than XY.

>>32022041
who honestly cares
i mean really, it's a show made for children to sell toys and games. you can ignore the childish aspects of the games well enough but that's all there is to the anime. stick to your general and get back to bitching about waifus.

>>32026365
>better general aesthetic
>the pikachu end card at the end of every episode still looks fucking retarded

>>32025815
SM is now shit but maybe it will be better.

>>32026365
so sick of seeing ash and pikachu for 20 fucking years

can't they do someone else's story

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>>32026553
>Pokémon Chronicles wasn't a permanent ongoing series
>Origins was only four episodes and rushed through most of the game it retold skipping multiple badges at a time
>Generations never had a short longer than 5 minutes

>>32026337
At least let SM get into the game story before you start comparing it to an already completed series.

SM is off to a rough start but with at least another 90+ episodes to add something to it, its not like anything in Japan is gonna cut out a piece of Team Skull and Aether interaction like what happened in BW *knocks on wood* please Japan be safe

>>32024183
You mean people who jumped in the SM bandwagon. Hint: the shit they claim are new or groundbreaking has been done by a previous season.

>>32025954
I hate SM too but the Ash reset is a meme. Only happened in BW and SM.

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>>32026365
The back and forth was pretty good.

>>32026365
>Fat japanese man drags "stock_anim_pika_z_1.mp4" into video editor

wew

>>32026553
Nope, because if you drop Ash, you drop Pikachu.
And if you introduce another protagonist with another Pikachu, it might as well just be Ash and his Pikachu.
You can't just throw away the mascot like that.

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>>32022041
WEW LAD.

>>32028017
Literally XY

>>32028058
DELET THIS

>>32027961
> Being the butt of most joke=/=reset

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>>32022041
that pose reminds me of HEY BABY

>>32026553
only autists watch the pokemon anime, and autists dislike change

why do you think they've kept the same formula for fucking decades, every single season is the exact same
>here's ash
>he's an edgy rival with an edgemon team
>team rocket hijinks
>everyone sucks ash's dick
>ash loses like a tard

>>32028056
>2,44
for me, there is no pic

>>32028051
This really applies to Ash in general. There is no point if you're just gonna replace him with another generic shonen protag.

>but you could do something different
Like what?

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>some faggot in the main anime bread told me to come here because it's better than /padt/
>but it's the same sperging over SM animation and emofagging you get in /padt/ about why Ash is still the protagonist, but at half the intelligence level
Why do I even bother?

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>>32028573
>/padt/
>intelligence level

>>32028307
Reset implies that he lost his skills and experience, which didn't happen here.

>>32028573
That was me, and I said it's less one-sided against SM than /padt/, which is observably true.

Of course the thread is ruined now that your brought /padt/ faggotry here. Thanks a lot.

>>32026268
FUCK YOU DISGUSTING CUM TRASH

>>32026553
If I am not mistaken the head of the anime said they will not get a new protag until Ash's journey ends.

>>32028594
>he actually believes this
Not him, but this thread you're in right now is a total dumpster fire from the top down.

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>>32026365
'no'

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>>32028594
>he says this even though he himself posts in /padt/
Go back there and stay there

>>32028058
except those were really short in XY

>>32028307
but that never happened in AG, DP and XY

>>32028868
1) I like the SM sequence more
2) Why the fuck was there no actual performance to be in XY??

>>32028906
>no actual performance
>quotes a post with it

>>32026365
>he used a z move on Hala

still a weak piece of shit i see

>>32028908
No I mean in the games. My bad, I shoulda clarified.

>>32028924
Because no one cared for those in Gen 4 and 5, so they felt there was no need for them.

>>32028868
Well that was awkward.

>>32028853
That's no fucking end insight.

>wow this important episode has great animation
>geez, all of these first episodes have mostly great animation!
>ok we're at episode 100 and these are getting pretty lazy
>lol this animation is shit

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All ashnime art is garbage

The anime just doesn't look good period, so why bother comparing seasons.

>>32025748
>implying he was talking about the angle
>frogposter

Get out.

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be happy that pokemon animation will NEVER be as bad as db super

>>32029418
The DBZ animation team is superior to Pokemon's. Nice try trying to prove otherwise by posting a mid-animation still frame.

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>>32029418
DBZ has had just as many bad moments.

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>>32029444

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>>32029446
This one isn't even mid-animation

>>32028868
I can imagine someone who used to play/watch Pokemon coming back after 15 years, wanting to give it a chance again, seeing this and wondering what happened to the series.

>>32028926
I cared in gen 4. They should have been improved.
They were garbage in gen 5 though, and they were just disappointing in ORAS compared to gen 4.

>>32029464
It's not so different to the Misty water mermaid ballet thing I feel.

>>32029464
Nothing because the Target are kids not adults

>>32029464
I feel a sense of shame over the Tripokalons. So incredibly boring and non-Pokemon like. It is by far the worst goal in the entire show.

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>>32022041
>ZERO shading

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>>32029444
>>32029446
>>32029451

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>>32029444

>>32028573
Anyone who watches the anime past the age of ten could be safely described as autistic.

>>32022214
Why does this building have discs of rotating ground

>>32029674
>>32029679
>>32029687
>>32029692
>>32029737
What I am saying is that both are bad. Implying that the new stuff is somehow worse is stupid. They both have terrible and stupidly animated moments.

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>>32029787
>Implying that the new stuff is somehow worse is stupid

The new garbage animation is far worse and only uses about 5 frames of animation making it into a slideshow.

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>>32022185
>SM artstyle
>better
>when it has awful proportions
>when it has no details
>when it has no shadows
>when it doesn't have sharp lines
>when it doesn't have much depth

Bait

The DB Super of Pokemon

>>32029900
>Not showing the full sequence. That was a shit part but come on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaxy2dyhMgA&ab_channel=TheShonenPrince

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>>32029418
kek

>>32029339
Hahahaha

>>32028868
No, this legitimately looks much worse

>>32028859
/padt/ is even worse, believe me.

>>32028918
Hala's using an E4 mon, and hit Pikachu with a Belly Drum boosted Z-move earlier

>>32030039
You're not trying very hard.

>>32029339
game serena is supposed to be 16
anime serena is 10

>>32030293
I don't have to try, all he has to do is look.

>>32029912
>when it doesn't have sharp lines
that's the point, everything is supposed to be rounder with softer colors because it's supposed to look comfy

>when it has awful proportions
the proportions are fine

>>32030379
That's what people did >>32028573 >>32028859

Then you replied "no u" a couple times.

>>32022041

SM have really good animation as for standards of tv series, idiots telling you it's shit because it doesn't have movie/special budget... it's not...as an animator I can tell it's really really good, wonder how much they are spending on one episode...

>>32030398
>blatantly biased /padt/ faggot who completely missed the point
>guy who didn't even mention /padt/, just this thread

Develop some reading comprehension. Also fuck off back to your thread.

>>32030412
>come to this thread, it's so much better than that other one
>it's actually worse
>reee fuck off back there

>>32030406
I heard they were using some new tech where they just put a 2D filter over 3D stills, speeding up production a lot. Any legitimacy to that?

>>32030426
>better
See >>32028594 you illiterate fuckwit.

>it's actually worse
Nice opinion. Again, fuck off back to your ciclerjerk.

>>32030385
No they aren't. Frame to frame the proportions are vastly different and they even gave Ash huge hips with skinny arms and narrow shoulders. It's awful. Especially when you see pikachu animated.

Comfy is not an argument. It's a buzzword that has no meaning.

>>32030561

anon... but this is animation...

I'm ending this.

SM has good animation, bad artstyle. That's the lesser of its problems.

/thread

>>32028326
This, desu.

You won't ever see them drop the anime as shitty as it is.

>>32026268
What they really need to do is get rid of Team Rocket.

>>32030654
But that's always been the case but people want to shit on it and post still frames of the show in motion to point out how "bad" it is when off model frames are used to convey motion

>>32030654
>bad artstyle
Opinion, and an uninformed one, since you use the term "artstyle."

>>32030561
if you stop an analize each frame in a super dynamic scene of animation everything is gonna look wonky because the illusion of motion is created by fast images that are not meant to be stared or paused at, thats how animation works you dingus stop talking like you know what animation is supposed to be

>>32028051
They don't need Pikachu. They don't give every new Yugioh character a Dark Magician.

>>32030561
They're called smear frames you twat. Without them animation looks stiff, like most of XY.
Ash's proportions are exactly the same, he just has baggier pants.

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>>32022041
When SM have shit like webm related, try this thread again.

SM is boring shit. I miss XY

>>32031273
Is this Naruto Shippuden??

>>32031273

BURASTA...!!!

>>32031273
That scene is much worse with sound. The shuriken toss was incredibly weak. In fact

>muh shonen
Everything in XY was weak as fuck by shonen standards. Pokemon is much better at comedy SoL than it is at action.

>>32031273
>durr billion dollar league scene is better than average early episode

Now post the rest of the XY league which was complete and utter garbage.

>>32031273
This was awesome.

>>32031335
Pokemon does SoL even worse, and the very nature of Ash's adventure, his goal, and the game's plot (even with the liberties the anime takes when adapting it) make it harder for it to do SoL properly. It doesn't help when SM's "SoL" feel like your average filler except with Ash's classmates instead of CotDs, and even more pointless.

>>32031191
Smear frames are between key frames. Ash doesn't have a key frame face in SM. It's always different.

>>32031146
Doing off proportions is just a cheaper way to animate you retard. It doesn't become better because of it.

>>32031389
It's not hard at all, the show has been doing it successfully since OS. It's SoL with shonen elements.

No, your average filler is help COTD + blast off TR. SM's have been less rigid than that.

If you want to talk pointless, look at Greninja's entire arc in XY. Which was the only thing resembling a plot, mind you.

>>32031191
>Ash's proportions are exactly the same, he just has baggier pants.

Nice headcanon

>>32031415
SM has felt like almost pure filler though. That's because of how shitty they handle the SoL element. SM has been very unsuccessful with handling it.

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>literally the only arguments those 3 SMfags on this boards can come up with is
>comfy
>it's SoL so it' ok if it feels like filler
>this is good because I say so
>this is bad because I say so
>i-it isn't shitty shonen

>>32031433
Why is it shitty? They're slowly fleshing out Alola and its characters, and establishing arcs like Lillie's past and Litten's saga. In fact SoL doesn't need plot at all to be "successful," but SM is still building one. I don't see the problem.

>>32031452
XY's plot episodes also felt like filler. The shitty stock battles, mostly against TR, didn't compensate for that.

As an XY fag you don't even have an argument.

Im surprised ashnimefags are this autistic and retarded lol

>>32031452
>i-it isn't shitty shonen
Says the XYfag

>>32031143
>uninformed
How can "this looks good/bad" be uninformed?

>>32031273
You had the entirety of vs Sceptile and you chose that scene to showcase the animation? It's not even that amazing, just "good".

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>>32022214

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>>32032105
Hi there.

>>32031452
They also seem to flipflop between bashing the fuck out of cherrypicked bad XY animation and defending to death any cherrypicked bad SM animation.

>>32031485
SM has a shit tone of stock too. Don't pretend it isn't there. And it was a very clear line between filler and plot in XY. Not in SM.

>>32031504
Thanks for proving my point friendo.

>>32030370
Game Serena is at least 17 or 18 seeing as the player is older than Emma

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>>32031273
That's only cool because it's ripping off TTGL.

>>32032236
SM has more going for it than just shitty stock battles like XY. The plot episodes were clear but they were still dogshit. Braixen's stick comes to mind.

It is shitty shonen because there wasn't nearly enough struggle, character conflict, training, visible improvement, interesting technique, or emotional impact. These are what make shonen. I can't even call XY babby's first shonen because even the most basic shit like Naruto or Fairy Tale do it better.

>>32034179
Forgot character growth though I guess that falls under improvement

>>32032088
that whole fight was only good by pokemon standards. janky as fuck animation, camera jumping all over sceptile, that hilarious whac-a-mole swordfighting sequence. dude can't animate impact for shit, iwane is much better at it.

>>32025815
>what happened
Watch the Movie 20 trailer. Shit looks beautifully animated. Ash didn't leave. He just took a 20 year long break.

About SM, Ash didn't lose to the first Kahuna like he typically loses to the first gym leader, and Pikachu didn't job to the first rodent. Instead, Ash dominated Hala, and Pikachu stomped 5 rodents with one T-bolt. Best part about SM is that Ash and Pikachu aren't hit with retarded nerfs.

>>32029855
I love it when Goku blows his enemies away with those invisible attacks. He uses that move to dig Vegeta's grave before fighting Frieza, and he uses a lot against Kid Buu. Is that supposed to be some psychic attack? I don't care about DBZ vs DBS. Goku is fucking based even as a moralfag in Z or as a villain in Super.

>>32031273
That league makes me angry. XYZ had me until the end of the league. What a blue balls waste of time.

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>>32034413
Oh yeah I forgot they always nerf Ash. At least there's something to be positive about.

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>>32029439
Like how one of us did with SM anime?

>>32029475
Tripokalons?

>>32029475
Nevermind. I looked it up.

>>32031041
Why do we keep saying desu?

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>>32034484
>star
>not an anime or pokemon reaction
Mai boi, you broke my mold today!

>>32029464
it's a good thing it's not even half of XY

>>32034413
>>32034489
>it's another SMfag thinks what SM did is unique and fresh to SM

>>32028868
Beautiful.

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>>32034616

>>32034179
Not this shit again.

>>32035932
The only time Ash didn't get nerfed was in Johto, and he still struggled. Falkner almost beat Charizard.

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>>32035973
You make it sound like you've refuted it before. But we both know the truth.

Sorry anon, but shonen at its core is about struggle and growth. Pokemon makes intrinsically bad shonen because Ash isn't allowed to grow.
They can have some decent shonen subplots like Infernape, whose victory against Paul was textbook shonen pottery. But in XY there was no struggle, it was just Ash steamrolling Kalos until he hit a cockblock against Alain, and then he never beat him despite overcoming the conditions that made him lose. He never grew as a character, he just faltered momentarily a couple of times and went right back to where he was. He accomplished nothing, learned nothing, and gained nothing, besides a thirstqueen he didn't ask for.
It just ain't good shonen.

>>32035974
>AG
>DP
>XY
>ash being nerfed

>>32036081
He lost his first gym match in all of em.

>>32036093
>AG
that was more of a nod to the games where you can't fight Norman first hand

>DP
forgot about DP

>XY
XY is hard mode, it was meant to show that this ain't easy pickings

and even then "loses first gym" isn't really equivalent to "nerfed"

>>32036043
I swear this shitpost is a copypasta from /padt/ by DPfag

>>32036109
>copypasta
You're welcome to google it fagboy. You won't find it. Also, not an argument.

Nod to the games or not, Ash lost with a league level mon to a mid game gym. Mind you I'm not talking game levels, just abstract anime power level. Obviously wasn't BW level but he was still toned down compared to SM apparently.

>>32036139
not a copypasta obviously, but the sentiment and "thought" is pretty much towards the end of XYZ from the DPfag, so no

and no, he was facing with Norman who's considered like a god there, also no, Pikachu is considered dice-roll tier than anything else, only faggots and plebs call him "level 100 lul", not to mention with shit like TR's shenanigans in the first episode crippling him

>>32036150
>I claim to have seen a similar argument at some point therefore your argument is invalid
Really anon? You just gonna give up like that?

Okay, so Pikachu rolled a losing diceroll every time except SM. Happy?

>>32036163
>only time Pikachu counts is at the beginning
>without context
>and other in-betweens

also if anything it shows how crappy SM is with shit-easy fights

also forgot to mention that you go for AG's Norman yet forget XY's Clemont

SMfags and their cherrypicking

>>32036180
But anon, I thought it was a diceroll. Doesn't Pikachu winning mean he got a winning roll? Now SM is just easier than other regions? You're not moving the goalposts, are you?

>>32036186
Ash lost his first XY gym match regardless. Are you saying he would have beaten Clemont? That Clemont is weaker than Viola?

>>32036198
way to ignore the concept of dice roll and "stuff that happens inbetween"

I'm not moving goalposts, you're just missing the post right here

>>32036209
just wanting you to be consistent because you went for norman but not clemont

and it's a loss with great context, I mean I guess if you consider shitting on a bunch of shitmons and a 1vs1 easy mode fight a win I guess, but knowing you, you will remove all context

in that note, I apologize in that the thread was dying and I replied rather than letting it die. I should have known better and instead took the bait.

>>32036233
Ah yes, context like "Viola was stronger than Hala."

I already said I'll concede to your diceroll nonsense, which just involves rephrasing my premise to wind up at the same conclusion: Ash didn't lose his first gym, which is unusual for Pokemon, and fresh since it hasn't happened since Johto.

I went for the first complete gym match.

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>>32022041
>implying that pokemon had good animation to begin with

>>32022214
This entire episode was a mess.

>watching the anime

>>32034616
Could you say it was a mold breaker?

>>32036558
Get out Carlos

>>32036043
Well, DBZ its shonen and the fucking script is awful, even doraemon have best writing.
Fuck off, go to watch a Seinen kid and you can feel the difference.
Shonen=kids/teens and adults with a half brain.

>>32037945
That invalidates nothing though. If anything, saying "so what?" would be just as meaningful.

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>>32029382
>implying OP knew the difference between camera angles and animation and that he wasn't talking about the former
i gotta have a good meal

>>32038023
Yes, all the qualities that you assigned to the "Shonen" series are are not true. Only the blood, the intense battles and fanservice separate the genders Kodomo and Shonen.

>>32038205
>Yes, all the qualities that you assigned to the "Shonen" series are are not true
Right... and you're basing this on shonen with shitty writing I take it? Completely forgetting that there are some classic shonen show that people can pride themselves upon without looking like an absolute autist?

>>32034577
I'm not sure tbqh desu

>>32034577
desu newbaka senpai.

>>32036376
This is bullshit animation.

>>32025790
>do you not know how to greentext .. ? wtf

Not him, but please go back to wherever you came from.

>>32025748
this, a lot of anime has a bunch of weird unneeded close ups and people that lots of shit happening on the screen = well animated

>>32025748
I hope that you are kidding because it's pretty easy recognize between the fucking camera angle and the move who are doing ash in that scene.

>>32022202
why is she so perfect, /vp/?