/pmdg/ - Pokémon Mystery Dungeon

PMD X-COM

what's rescue rangers

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>>29021174
>What would you like to see in a PMD fangame?

Boss fight vs Team Zeppelin. It's composed entirely of Drifblim using Ominous Wind

>>29021209
>whats rescue rangers

pic related

PMD X Berserk, boiz

PMD Battle Tendency but the genies are the Pillar Men

>>29021264
>including genies in everything

>>29021264

I was actually thinking of writing a PMD fic inspired by Phantom Blood.

>>29021295
>the first major fight is a fistfight in the burning ruins of your rescue team base
I'd read it

>>29021280
Well we've already used up every other legendary trio in a main story. Wouldn't want to reuse legendaries now. But if I could, Suicune would totally be Kars

>>29021381

EVEN FURFROU IS AFRAID

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I love Poochyena!!

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He'd make a great snooty butler character

>>29021632
I could see Dartrix being the Chatot of the next game

>>29021659

I feel like Dartrix would be the kind of Pokemon who would go out of his way to clean an entire guild because one little thing was out of place.

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Oh god, it's so adorable.

>>29022185
gay dad vulpix is the best

>>29022185
I hope you got those Blue Gummis ready.

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How do I kill Yvetal when my partner and me are at level ~24?

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>>29022234
But Anon, my Vulpix is a girl.
>mfw manaphy is already gone

>>29022581
Hit him until he dies.

Alternatively, use orbs and wands to incapacitate everyone, then pick them off one by one. Also, don't you have like a million escorts at that point? Just wave a Surround Wand at Yveltal and let them do the dirty work.

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>>29022637
>But Anon, my Vulpix is a girl (male).

>>29021545
POOCHYENA IS UGLY

>>29022581
Throw a ban seed at Yveltal right after it uses Oblivion Wing.

>>29022667
Don't lewd the firefox

>>29022793
I wanna make Vulpix into a hot mess

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>>29022809
I'll make you into a mess

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>>29022715
No

>>29022793
Most Pokemon are for lewd, anon

>>29022853
that's an odd pairing

>>29022645
>Hit him until he dies.

My favorite strategy.

how is this for a PMD ending:

Xerneas fucking turns everyone into a tree. the end.

>>29023284
Xerneas let's everyone smoke trees

DUDE, WEED

What would be a good way to program a Mystery Dungeon game? Game Maker, Unity?

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>>29022966
Not really

>>29023354
Godot. Or in-house.

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the memes are real

>>29023739
This guy knows it. Either an engine you can touch and modify yourself or simply make your own.

What's the cutest partner to start with in Super Mystery Dungeon?

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>>29024409

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>>29024444
Quads confirm

Do we get to evolve during the game, or do we only get that option in the endgame?
(Super MD)

>>29023974
Anyway, maybe we could pull this off.
Discord or IRC?
Or slack?
>>29021231
Goddamnit. I remember all of those posts as they were being posted.

>>29024486
Only in post-game.

>>29024486
Yes

>>29024503
IRC
or XMPP.

>>29024444
All right, quads chose my partner for me, looks like.

Now I gotta think about who my main is gonna be.

>>29024533
Just take the quiz, dude.

>>29024523
Alright.
#pmdgfg on rizon
I'll be joining in later.
We've got to gather our resources first of all...

>>29024675
I don't know if I'll be able to contribute, but I'd still like to join at least to lurk if it doesn't bother anyone

>>29024746
Lurking is the spice of anonymous/pseudoanonymous communities. Go nuts.
The channel is empty right now anyway.

>>29024503
Is there a reason you need to separate into an irc? What's wrong with discussing it in thread?

>>29024807
Courtesy towards everyone not interested in it.

>>29024813
It's not like this thread gets much discussion these days anyway, having something to discuss in thread will keep it from being so dead all the time. You'll only be triggering one autist who gets buthurt at not 100% on topic discussion at the most. Anyone else who isn't a fag will just scroll past shit they don't care about.
But then again, it's not like I'm contributing anyway, so do whatever you want.

>want to lurk too even though I'm pretty sure I can't contribute
>don't even know how to get into the chat
I feel like a newfag all over again. How embarrassing.

>>29024900
Right, true enough. It's not to pull away all discussion from here, of course, it wouldn't be a /pmdg/ project if it wasnt! It's only to make more detailed stuff easier to talk about, like when links go back and forth on resources and such. Nevermind the lack of captchas to say anything, though!

Anyway, there's a few interesting tools to look at.
Monogame
Love2D
Godot
SFML

is what I'd propose as what to look at in parallel to any discussion related to sprites (if anyone's got a link to the EoS ones!) Sounds and whatnot. While that's done, the idea of doing a few jobs on "that one dungeon" we'll be putting in should be good enough.

If anyone has any interesting ideas about dungeon generation, be my guest. This could add a lot of flavor if done correctly.

If someone knows what modifications EoS does to the regular mainline stuff we can use as a starting point, that'd be useful to start figuring out the gameplay stuff.

>>29024973
https://www.rizon.net/chat
Try this, dear anon.

>>29024973
Choose an IRC client
In the settings add "irc.rizon.net" as a server.
Connect to the channel.

>>29025001
>>29025004
Made it in. Thanks, anons.

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>>29022853
Since no one else has asked...
You got any sauce on that, Anon?

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>enter the IRC
>remember that I'm extremely uncreative when it comes to this kind of thing and suck at coding
Fuck

>>29025166
The sample of it was only posted a few days ago, I doubt the whole thing would be dumped for a while.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=59324755

>>29025001
I'm not particularly familiar with any of those tools, and I'm not the one programing it, so it'd probably be up to whoever is doing the programing to decide which one is best or easiest to work with.

http://www.spriters-resource.com/
Has a bunch, if not all, of the 2d MD character sprites as well as a few animations, tilesets, and various other random shit.
They have side pages for audio too, but I don't know if they have anything from mystery dungeon.

For dungeon generation, I'd recommend something simple to start out with, like simple rogue style dungeons, just so you have an easy starting point to test out other shit and then start on more complex unique generation shit later.
For my gbc game, I just used a basic system where I had some room templates and a 3x3 grid was filled with randomly selected rooms from that list of templates, and then connected each room to one adjacent room with hallways.

And as for differences between MD and mainline, bulbapedo has a few pages on mystery dungeon game mechanics. I'm not sure how accurate they are though.

>>29025231
>pochi anon save edits a buizel for anon

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>>29025231
You and me both.

So, about the fangame.
Understanding the core game loop is going to help a lot to code this thing regardless of engine. That can come even before any sort of code or sprites or sounds or scripts have been worked on.
From what my understanding is, the core gameplay loop consists of:
>Preparing to head out
>Giving some context to the dungeon's goals if not just exploration
Then you go in.
After that:
>Move, attack, item?
>If move, check whether it's possible, then move, then make everyone else have their turn
>If attack, check the target, apply damage, status, etc.
>If item, apply item effect
Of course it's a lot more complicated than this.
Movement for instance gives the player their turn "simultaneously" to everyone else, and you may have more than one action per turn, if you've got any sort of speed improvement.
>>29025231
If you can help elaborate on the mechanics if only through transcription that actually could help a lot. Takes a load off the coding if you can recall scenarios someone hasn't considered.
>>29025242
Thanks anon.

>>29025001
>what modifications EoS does to the regular mainline stuff
The OP's got some pretty comprehensive guides on damage calculation and moves for Sky. We could use those.

>>29025231
Thanks

>>29025343
Anyway, attacks have attributes that can be classified, right?
>Whether it damages
>Hit success rate
>Area of effect
>Secondary effects and their success rates
If I'm forgetting something that's important write it down.
I'm not counting priority since I'm assuming turns always go in an order that gives the player priority unless the opponent gets more than one turn per turn. Hmm, that's weird to write.
>>29025363
That would be useful.

>>29025395
>typing
>physical or special
>attack power (although I guess that goes under whether or not it damages)
...And that's all I can think of so far.

>>29025395
Cont.
Mons have several attributes, right?
>Atk, Def
>Sp Atk, Sp Def
>IQ (if we include something like this)
And... uh, speed I think? I have no idea
So the typical attack states go like this, I think.
Animation -> Apply damage + Numbers pop up -> Apply effects + effects animation pop up -> turn over.
Item states go like this.
Animation -> Apply effect + secondary animations
>>29025447
Ah, yes, typing, physical or special. Yes, I'm counting AP as 0 being "it doesn't damage" unless someone has a special case where it doesn't apply.

>/pmdg/ gets a game out before Sage or Clover

>>29025395
Crystals move data, and mine, is listed with the attributes: animation_id, effect_id, move power, type, accuracy, base pp, and effect chance. 7 bytes total.
Since you won't be as limited in how much space something can take up, you could have the animation_id and effect_id's be direct addresses to a function that is run when the move is used, instead of a single byte id linked to an address table.

>>29025498
It's the gazillionth project started by 4chan that's doomed to fail because there's no material to work with, only hopes and dreams. Don't get too excited.

>>29025553
By the way, the most important thing to start with is a logo and a cool name.

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>>29025540
>be direct addresses to a function that is run when the move is used, instead of a single byte id linked to an address table.
That's probably a good idea. Though to keep the state machine smooth I'll probably do this stuff through a queue, where these functions queue all actions taken this turn where when the player's turn arrives, they get queued first, then it is emptied.
I hadn't remembered the base PP. Good eye there.
Perhaps also those +n modifiers to moves that are done by Ginseng, as well.
>>29025584
>>29025553
That both hurt and made me laugh at the same time. Props.

Be back later. Let's see how many other people join before I keep dumping text over how to model the mechanics.

Meanwhile, you can speak of a logo and a cool name.

>>29025343
I guess I'll try to see how ally characters move/act in PSMD. They seem simple enough and possibly useful.

"Wait there" is a pretty good one, since your teammates will always use an attack if they are able to, rather than waste a turn repositioning themselves in combat. For example, if a Pokemon with Blizzard is set to "Follow me" instead of "Wait there", it has a chance of moving with the leader or simply doing nothing rather than use the attack, but if they're set to "Wait there", they'll always use Blizzard whenever possible.

With "Follow me", the first teammate will always mimic the leader's movements whenever possible. If the leader moves from a position diagonally from the teammate to a position right in front of the teammate, the teammate will move to where the leader once stood instead of staying there like they would if their tactic was "Let's go together".

"Don't use moves" is essentially "Follow me", but it disables your teammates from using any move or regular attack.

"Go the other way" makes your teammates function like enemies, wandering around the floor randomly.

"Go after foes" is similar to "Let's go together" until an enemy gets into their view. Once that happens, the teammate will stalk the enemy and hit them with a non-ranged move, or if they're able to use ranged/room-wide moves, they'll do so immediately.

"Get away from here" is basically the terrified condition. They'll wander aimlessly and run from any enemies they see.

>>29025634
>you can speak of a logo and a cool name.
Well, is there already some form of setting, plot or anything similar to help in order to come up with a name?

>>29025634
>Though to keep the state machine smooth I'll probably do this stuff through a queue, where these functions queue all actions taken this turn where when the player's turn arrives, they get queued first, then it is emptied.
Why use a queue? a simple loop would be sufficent.
In mine I just do a basic loop through all the npcs on the floor and they pick an action to preform based on their ai and surroundings. if they are set to move, they wait to preform their move animation until the end of a turn cycle or before someone else uses a move or item.
Fucking around with a queue seems like it'd be needlessly complex to me, but you're the programmer so do whatever.

>>29025811
I suggested the enemy team/Hoopa thing from the last thread, but it seems like nothing really came out of it. It's probably a good idea if we came up with a story now too, since it'd help form the dungeon(s).

>>29025865
I want to finish the animation first, then once that's done trigger the application of damage and whatnot.
Well, it's just the first solution that came to mind, since a battle engine I did with a friend did it that way.
What I meant is:
* Active state at the time is not null?
Finish performing this, set to null when done
* Active state is null?
Pull from the queue.
* Queue is empty?
Player's turn. Accept input.
It's a generalization, I guess. It could be used for other stuff, like middle-of-the-dungeon dialog, for instance.

I just bought a copy of Gates to Infinity, what duo do I pick?

>>29025883
Does anyone have any story ideas?

>>29026096
Pikachu and Snivy.

>>29026098
I posted >>29015639 last thread.

>>29026096
Axew and pikachu9

>>29026096
Custom starters

>>29025801
Also forgot to mention that allies will use up their turn in a way that benefits the player the most. If an enemy is a space away from the teammate, then they'll wait for the enemy to approach them before they attack.

>>29025883
I was thinking about a plot for a while, but I don't know if it'll be any good, and only had the first part planned out. Mostly just thought it should a bit similar to Super's, like with you and a childhood friend mon who wants to go adventuring. Another mon around the same age as the two of you find out that you've been doing all these things behind everyone's back around the fourth dungeon in, and he wants to be in on it. The three of you basically form a trio, helping out mons with some things like finding medicine for a sick mon, and as your two partners gain confidence, start doing other tasks like finding treasure. Eventually people from other places find out about your feats, and the three of you find yourselves amidst [bullshit conflict regarding Jirachi wishes or something]. The three mons have contrasting personalities, the leader being kindhearted, emotional, and a bit shy, but unlike past leaders, speaks more often. Partner 1 is outgoing, tries to get the leader to break out of his shell, and just wants to have fun with the three of them. She acts a bit harsh at times, like if the leader's being too soft. Partner 2 is distant from the others and prefers to find treasure and be famous. He warms up eventually.

>>29026134
I think that could work. Maybe, to broaden it, it could be about multiple exploration teams trying to reach some fabled land full of treasure? There's a simple start and end, where anything can be put in between.

>>29026234
That's fine. If you want more plot in there, you could have the herb as a sort of first act quest, like how the shiren GB games kid rescue is apparently only the first part, or a side mission like with snes shiren and the brother and pot crafter stuff.
If you want fancy storage and recruits, you could have various inns along the way where you can manage you're recruits and stored items.

>>29026208
As nice as all that sounds, that's a very ambitious plot for a first-time project. I think the leader/partners' personalities are great though. It's probably best if we kept the scale of this game's story to be about the size of a special episode, so maybe cut out some of the fluff dungeons and the bullshit conflict.

>>29026417
This could work too.

...Maybe we could fuse these two ideas?

>>29026208
And with the whole conflict part, I thought that once your team gets famous enough, they decide to go to a dungeon to meet Jirachi and make a wish. The two partners start to get into fights a bit more, since they both have completely different wishes. Once they get there, they get into another fight before the team decides on a wish, and the second partner blurts out a crazy wish without meaning it, causing all sorts of things to get screwed up, eventually destroying the whole world if you don't do anything about it. Most of the townspeople and even legendaries get pissed at you guys for doing something so reckless, but eventually you'd have to find non-hostile legendaries that'll help you get out of the whole mess.

Like Super, some recruits are plotline characters. Partner 1 has a few other friends back in town that also want to join the team, for example. This doesn't mean normal recruits don't exist. The three characters go through multiple different towns after leaving the first one, since there's all sorts of problems going on in different places, and they each have a small little plot going on, not unlike Dragon Quest.

The whole thing's not that great, I know.

>>29026642
I suppose you're right about keeping it short. Mostly thought of the conflict (seen here >>29026650) as an afterthought anyway, since I just preferred the "comfy" atmosphere early PSMD had.

>>29026650
This sounds good

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>aegis cave
The fun ends here.

I wonder how many hours this will take.

>>29027117
that vulpix has more artifacts than a treasure dungeon

>>29026697
But why not make it more story-driven like the Explorers games while also being comfy like Super?

>>29027766
To not blow the thing out of what we can actually do.

>>29027766
I feel like if the wish conflict were to be implemented, it'd be a bit like Explorers in that sense. Most of Explorers followed small arcs that were loosely connected, with the main arc being something that went on in the background until the guild tried to capture Grovyle, where the plot becomes centered around saving the world. It would likely be the same here, with each mission/town having their own small plot until the leadup to Jirachi. The trio being a thing, along with other NPCs being less of a bore/walking catchprase might help add to a comfy environment in the game.
I still don't think everything I had in mind would get in, since this is a first time fangame.

>>29028051
So what kind of title would a story like that have anyway?

>>29028877
how about something like "Eternal Wishes"?

>>29029419
I wonder, actually...
>They've become best friends after all trials
>Once they're, they reach Jirachi again
>"We have one wish"
>"We wish to meet again in our next life"
>Cue RT starting cutscene

>>29029466
That's an actually pretty good sequence

Anyway, the spriters-resource link contains a very small selection of sprites. We probably should look into how to use the tools in here.

https://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?40199-Pokemon-Mystery-Dungeon-2-Psy_commando-s-Tools-and-research-notes

If anyone knows how to extract sprites and can organize them in a way where we could make atlases out of them that'd be really useful.

>>29030308
>very small selection
The hell it does, looks to me like it has most of the pokemon.
What are you missing? Tilesets? animations?

>>29030350
Err, I mean the EoS one. I forgot T&D had the rest. It's still really awkward to make atlases out of them though. Not just considering that they're chroma keyed.

Tilesets would be really useful, actually...

>>29030385
the T&D section has a few tilesets, and you can look at the rescue team sections to see if they have any tilesets listed. Rescue team and Explorers use the same sprites for the most part, so you should be able to get away with using assets from both just fine.

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So how is the engine choice going?

>>29031215
whatdya mean.
Are you the programmer asking us what engine we want you to use, or are you askin the programmer what engine he's decided on?

>>29031472
Asking the Programmer

I took some CS classes, but work got int eh way and I want to see what gets chosen

>>29030440
Well then, this'll be a lot of work.
>>29031215
Love2D.
Easy to use, pretty alright language, etc.
Gotta pull out the UML before starting to code though.

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I was thinking of writing a pmd fic based on one of my favorite planes in Magic the Gathering, Zendikar, where Missingno is basically a legion of eldritch abominations from outer space, and all the pokemon on earth are thrown into a War of the Worlds

>>29031650
What is the Pokémon equivalent of mana weaving and how would the plot move?

>>29031853

I haven't really gotten that far into the process yet, all I really know of the Zendikar story are from the flavor texts of the cards.

>>29031941
As long as all the people who can do something about the situation are jerks, you are writing a proper MtG story

>>29032193

So long story short: have Jace mon fuck everything up merely by existing? Sounds like a plan!

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Any changes needed? Whether it be a mon you guys would rather have playable, or a certain pick being weird or not cute enough.
Didn't list Fire/Grass/Water since those would probably be filled by the first four gens' starters.
>inb4 someone mentions Drifloon and Smoochum

>>29032465
Are those your own picks?

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>>29032465
>no mareep

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>>29021174
>What would you like to see in a PMD fangame?
Romance any of the town waifus Or Husbandos if you're a grill

You can't romance the Kangaskhan

>>29032465
How about Mienfoo and Maractus, some of the mememons from the fanfiction thread?

Maybe a Weedle from Showderp

>>29024486
Only after the Final ending, like how Sky did it where you can only evolve after Cress told you to kill yourself

>>29032590
Just tried to choose between three mons of each type. Smiling portraits are dual-typed.
Was hard to pick things like Dragon, Ghost and Steel types, since those would probably be powerhouses.

>>29032650
Not sure if Gen V and VI mons will end up being used in that fangame, since all that's available are T/D/S sprite assets.

>>29032622
I like Manectric more, but if more people want Mareep then it can replace Electrike or Shinx

>>29032650
I'm not sure if I'd call Mienfoo and Maractus writethread mememons. Or maybe I haven't spent enough time over there to know.

>>29032681
Mareep can replace Shinx

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>>29032465
>Poochyena
>Jigglypuff

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>>29032465
>Nido-F but no Nido-M
Was it just to keep it to 3 per type? Just curious.

>>29032465
>Poochyena
>Jigglypuff
>BUDEW
>Hoppip
>Nidoran F but no Nidoran M
What the hell are you doing

>>29032747
>>29032758
Yeah. Was thinking if you set yourself/your partner as a male it'd be NidoM instead of NidoF. Probably should've included him in the pic too.

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I actually imagined a plot where you are a human and you got sucked into your partner's dream to be one of the Royal Guard of Solgaleo/Lunala (depending on which version). One of the jobs of the Royal Guards include Rescuing, Extraction, important mail delivery, escort, etc.

Then Political intrigues happened between Sol AND Luna and you're forced to see that not everything Sol/Luna does isn't so wonderful because they have different ideologies that not every pokemon agrees to do and there's actually someone manipulating the events which you didn't suspect till the end unless you actually take hint of the foreshadowing. Aside from the end of the plot being 'the world is getting rekt because eternal sunlight/darkness', I only thought this far with what I'm planning

PMD: Guardians of Shine/Shade

>>29032725
As meme-tier as Jigglypuff is here, it at least makes some sense because of Smash popularity and cuteness factor like with Pikachu and Skitty. Still blatantly obvious Poochanon made that since Pooch and Puff are some of the first ones on the list

>>29032841
>Got sucked into your partner's dream
Elucidate further.

When you incarnated into a Pokémon, you immediately start off as someone who was in that Sol/Luna group?

>>29032927
I think he means that you get transported to pokeworld and immediately make friends with an overbearing would-be guard who friendly-bullies you into signing up with him

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>>29032710
Replaced, also put both Nidos in.
Should I add a fourth slot in case people want to add a mon of a certain type without replacing another one?
I doubt this list would end up getting used anyway but it could still be worth doing

>>29032995
Yeah add a fourth slot

>>29032927
>>29032943
How did PSMD partners met?

I was thinking that they started out "kinda-enemies" because you were technically 'trespassing' at the Ruler's place when you woke up, but instead of whatever harsh punishment you have, the king just placed you under order to become one of the royal guard with Partner as your teammate

I'm also trying to do something where your actual enemy is (You) from the alternate dimension where, instead, you were actually part of the Opposing kingdom before the world actually got rekt and he was sent back in time to redo everything

>>29033009
PSMD partner is your neighbor after moving in with Nuzleaf

>>29033039
Thanks. I'm asking because I haven't played PSMD yet I already know about Mew. Would that still ruin the experience? and I'm trying not to rehash too much of the elements present already in the previous PMD entries

>>29033079
The Mew thing is what kind of ruined the game for me, being a whole fucking infodump at the most feelsy moment. I don't think it will ruin much for you, and maybe the ending is better if you know it beforehand.
In any case, it's hard to do any worse than the adventure squad games.

>>29033079
>Would that still ruin the experience?
Not really. It's kind of major and you'll probably see the breadcrumb trail leading to that revelation but the game on the whole isn't ruined for you. You'll still be able to enjoy it basically in full.

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>>29033006
Alright, added a 4th slot, added back Shinx, and added Munchlax so all the old starters (minus Vulpix) are back, and included Grass/Fire/Water so people know what mons will get used there.
Probably won't do anything with this until more people want certain Pokemon added or canned. Only adding Gens I-IV right now, until it's confirmed that Gen V/VI mons can be used.

>>29033079
If you want to avoid being too similar to the previous partner his basic rundown besides the Mew thing is being a high energy chatterbox type that wants to join an Explorer's Guild and see the world.

On the negative side, his energetic personality means he can get too wrapped up in his own excitement and not think about others' feelings, and his goal-oriented mindset gives him a bad case of tunnel vision

>/pmdg/ makes a fangame
Neat, hopefully it doesn't die before anything of value gets released.

Also, Explorers partner a shit

>>29033217
Hopip would be so bad as a starter
Sandile would be great as a Starter same as Mienfoo

>>29032943
Working for the honcho of the place would also open some leads to why a human was turned into a Pokémon, so I can see it being useful.

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>>29033289
Thanks, anon

>>29033306
>The partner with the best Character growth is shit

>>29033425
GtI's partner was better, he was a real friend. Explorers' just used you as an emotional crutch all throughout

>>29033425
I'm curious anon, describe the Explorers partner for me. I agree with >>29033475 but I wanna know where you're coming from because I just didn't see it.

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CHERISH 2 CHAPTER 6

http://archiveofourown.org/works/7771954/chapters/18909013

>>29033593
>Waaaaaaah I'm this much of a chicken to enter the guild :c
>Thanks for helping me enter the guild, Anon :D
>I have a dream
>OH NO, Drowzee "kidnapped" a loli mouse
>I'm scared but I must apprehend you
>Oh no, it's a legendary pokemon, but I must still fight *It's a hologram*
>Look, Anon. Shiney.... Thank you, Anon
>Who's Dusclops?
>Dusclops is my hero now
>Wait, why is my hero so evil D:
>I don't know what to believe anymore
>Thanks for cheering me up, anon
>There's no choice but to believe bad guy
>Your superpowers run in the power of friendship, Anon
>You and your Partner's friendship, in fact
> Anon's Partner is the chosen one because he proves to be pure of heart
>It must be hard for you, Anon, but we have to be strong for Grovyle's sake
>I have to be strong for partner...
>Welp... this is where we met, partner
;_;

By the time he reached the end, he stopped being a total wuss

>>29032465
>No Munchlax

>>29032465
>No Axew
come on

>>29034007
>implying shitlax is more important than the other eevee, meowth and skitty
ok anon

>>29033217
Tyrogue and Abra don't learn any moves past level 1. They'd make for awful starters. Budew is pretty bad too, only learning moves up to level 18.

How about Mankey or Makuhita as the Fighting replacement, Slowpoke as the Psychic replacement, and Skorupi as the Poison replacement?

>>29031596
>Love2D
Doesn't this mean we could also run it on the 3DS? https://github.com/VideahGams/LovePotion

what would a 7th gen pmd game be like?

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>>29034007
>>29034079
>>29034356
Yeah, guess I didn't think some of those choices through. Also added Oddish to replace Budew, and Marill because Azurill was playable in Wiiware, but doesn't have as big of a moveset as Marill, and so he could fit in with Pikachu/Jigglypuff/Clefairy.
I put Munchlax in already, and it's only Gens 1-4 right now, so no Axew yet.


Should there be any other changes or general additions?

>>29037311
>tfw we could never make sprites of Gens V-VII
Feels bad, man.

>>29035382
Wow. I didn't know this, that's pretty cool.

http://reliccastle.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=1163

>>29037966
This was already posted.

>>29037414
What do you mean never? Of course we can!
It would just take an absurdly long amount of time to make 'em.

>>29037311
Remove mememons (Poochyena, Drifloon, Wooper) and add Sneasel, Gastly and Swinub

>>29038673
>Poochyena
>Wooper
>meme
You do know they were starters in AS right? I think all of the official starters should be available.

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>>29032841
The way you wrote that reminds me of a certain little somwthing. What with the whole eternal night/day and mention of royal guards.

>>29038885
OH NO
Do you think it was intentional? I do shit like that all the time when I write and it takes me a bit to notice.

>>29038739
Wooper was, but not Poochyena, I think.

>>29039474
Oh. You're right. I forgot because I recruited it myself early in the game, and since I'm not the only one here who did that I forgot it wasn't actually a starter. It's still starter-like enough.

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>>29039167
Nah, I do the same thing. I lack all inspiration myself and unconsciously suck up any concepts that float my way.

Thus my desire to make a game based on micro-managing a hive of insectiods and genetically modifying their traits toward war and survival before you're found out.

>>29038885
>>29039167

To be fair that's just how the latest set of legendaries panned out. You could switch "night" with "rainfall" and it could just as easily refer to Kyogre and Groudon. Unless you're purposefully memeposting in which case shame on both of you.

>>29041122
Sorry anon, I was having a laugh at your expense. Even if you did it on purpose it's not like anyone here is he-who-shall-not-be-named. No one will sperg out for those couple of loose parallels. It's kind of funny how that turned out, though.

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>>29033718
>cherishing an oshawott

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>>29041373
>not cherishing an oshawott

>>29041706
>not being the cherishing oshawott

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>>29038673
>cutting mons that don't suffer from moveset/stat problems when there's still empty space
Added your picks anyway, along with Makuhita and some filler mons that can be replaced if anyone doesn't like them. All types have at least 4 starter picks now, except for Dragon, which uses Swablu instead as the 4th rep.

Hopefully not messed up this time

>>29041999
>skorupi
>larvitar
>bagon
>gible
>gligar
>gastly
You're making it really hard for me to choose.

>>29041999
>Still no Axew

>>29042181
He explained why Axew's not in, idiot >>29033217 >>29037311

>>29042252
Wow generationist much

>>29042722
If you can draw sprites, portraits and animations for all of them, you're welcome to do so.

So a bit of a progress report.
The sprites are extremely cleverly optimized - they have been extracted and we're looking at what all the different xml files mean so that animations are as close as possible to the legit pmd games.

The resulting extracted data is huge (401 megs)
most of it coming from the xml files giving meaning to those images.
We're looking into modifying the export tool to give it on a more uh, compressed form we can use.

If we were to do sprites for stuff that came after EoS, I think we should start with Mega Evolutions and Alola Forms.

is there an ar code for explorers of sky US that makes you get an ohko every time? i can't find anything online and darkrai is infuriating me. i just wanna kill it so i can progress but it keeps double teaming and spamming sleep

>>29045002
Maybe you could give yourself lots of Reviver seeds

>>29045002
>Explorers
>hard
With bosses all you have to do is incapacitate the main one first with a Vile and Stun Seed, kill off the others with strong moves, then team on the main one, using a Violent Seed beforehand if available.
With Darkrai you need some Reviver Seeds too though, since Cresselia a shit

>>29045002
Equip some Insomniscopes while you're at it to prevent sleep.

>>29044886
Alola forms I can see working just fine, since they're just new Pokemon. I, for one, would love a working Alolan Vulpix. But how would megas even work in a 2D PMD game? It's probably a good idea to establish that before making sprites that end up unneeded or unused.

Of course, this is all theoretical.

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>>29038673
Wooper has every right to be there

>>29045002
>throw vile seed at darkrai
>gg

Or just USE YOUR GUMMIS

>>29041321

I wasn't the same as the first Anon actually, but duly noted.

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Another day at Paradise. Let's go, Pikachu!

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Uhm... Quagsire, are you alright?

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Uuh. Well, okay I guess.

>>29047053
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

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what

>>29047093
>I have special eyes

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WHAT.

>>29047131
"Quit looking at me with them big 'ol eyes!"

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WHAAAAT

delete this

>>29047131
Dude, is your game haunted?

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ME TOO.

>>29047162
Jesus, the fuck did you do?

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...

>>29047196
>Am I kawaii? Uguu~

>>29047230
Okay but seriously, what the fuck. Are these corruptions?

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>>29047196
Imagine seeing the void rip right in front of you, and out comes that

>>29021174
>It can't get any worse than Rescue Rangers.
Wanna bet?

The partner backstabs you about 5/8s in and becomes one of the villains for purely selfish, unsympathetic motives
Becomes either the penultimate or final boss. 1 on 1 battle, and the partner can use items with impunity
He doesn't get redeemed after you beat him

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>>29047230
What the fuck?

>>29047230
Having fun with the NTR corrupter, anon?

>>29047256
>>29047282
Yep.
http://gbatemp.net/threads/beta-ntr-3ds-corruptions-plugin.442285/

>>29047267
thats really stupid sounding. i want to play it. what is it?

>>29039721
I was going to name one of the characters 'Tarkus' in one of my PMD fics after the ELP album/song, but I realised that Jojo already beat me to the punch there. I was going to litter it with classic rock references, but then people would just assume I was mimicking Jojo instead.

>>29047267
The first and third bullets aren't bad at all.

>what would you like to see in a PMD fangame

Starters that are different pokemon from the main games

Instead of bulbasaur, totodile, torchic, pikachu, etc. Have other pokemon taking the spotlight of varied types. I would personally like to see as starters: shuppet, petilil and snorunt among others

>>29047354
MegaMan stole the name of Guns and Roses people for bosses, call them plebs for not knowing that if they call you out

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CUTE

>>29047267
Does this exist?

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I fucked up.
Anyone up for a rescue?
America, by the way.

>>29041999
I love shuppet and would pay for any game where you can have it as a starter, please don't take it out

I suppose its only up to gen IV

The only poke that strikes me as "meh" would be ledyba

>>29041999
Would take noctowl out becausd there is alreayd a flying-normal (dodrio) and instead put zubat or wingull

>>29047595
Doing it right now.

>>29047267
A less edgy version that could actually happen in one of the games:
>Partner betrays you 5/8s of the way through the game for unclear reasons.
>Becomes the penultimate boss, stealing your items and using them against you with improved AI.
>After being defeated, the partner reveals that they learned you would be returned to your own world after completing the plot mission and just wanted to prevent you from disappearing and leaving them alone.
>You make up and face the final boss together.

>>29047711
Thanks.

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>>29047595
>>29047830
Here you go! Also included a TM for Thunderbolt, in case you wanted it.


>>29047606
>>29047693
I'll take those into consideration. Who should replace Ledyba?

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>>29025242
>I just used a basic system where I had some room templates...

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's how some of Super's 'Super Difficult' dungeons are built (the ones where you can't do shenanigans with the walls, like Cape of Wonders), since some of the rooms in those kind of dungeons are literally identical. Pic as example. (albeit a somewhat poor one)

>>29048049
Thank you. Do you want the thanks mail?

Why not weedle?

>>29048127
I'm fine without one, but thanks.
Weedle has no moves, though I suppose he'd be good as a joke starter/hard mode choice.

>>29048089
>where you can't do shenanigans with the walls
I don't understand why it's like that though.

>>29048193
Oh right. Sorry about that.

Is there any particular reason as to why Cape of Wonders is so weird?

>>29048735
>steal an egg from a random dungeon
>hatch it and raise the child on land, causing him to become deathly ill
>send him off to sea with a random stranger

You're a bad parent anon.

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>dumb fun story about treasure hunting, solving puzzles, and team rivalries
>more Team AWD and even more Wigglytuff
>Team Charm's style coupled with that fantastic theme song
I didn't think I'd enjoy this episode going in, but now it might be my second-favorite so far. Yes, even with Lopunny's weak moveset.

>>29050612
>only gardevoir is good at fighting
>Lopunny has Klutz meaning all the great hold items are worthless on it, also only has Pound for damage really
>Medicham kills itself with HJK

their master rank was from like 500 trips to apple woods

>>29050661
>not using Lopunny as support instead by boosting with Agility and crippling bosses with seeds/projectiles
>not bringing your own TMs
>what is Mind Reader/Force Palm
Team Charm's not that terrible. Besides, if a pair of unevolved starters can beat up legendaries and reach Guildmaster Rank, then it's safe to say that they won't have too much trouble either.

>>29038885
What is it?

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>>29041999
Is it really necessary to have so many starters to choose from? Can't a simple set of starters+non-starters from each type minus ghost be enough?

>>29046646
You'd use megas the same way as Shaymin's Sky forme: get the required mega stone and use it in a dungeon (without the speed boost and item consumption). Boom, simple megas.

>>29052735
>Is it really necessary to have so many starters to choose from?
Personally think it'd be good to have more options, solely because most people have different tastes for things. Someone might want a cutesy Ground type like Wooper, while another person might want a cooler looking one like Cubone instead. Much of PMD locks you with your starter duo, so it'd be nice for people to get a mon they like a lot.
If this is about making new portraits, it could be cut down. Feel like only having dialogue can convey emotions better than portraits sometimes and in the second half of RT you could even use a mon that doesn't have any portraits.

>>29052735
>mega stones as items
You know, that'd actually be a cool idea. You could even set them as rewards for clearing dungeons or special missions.

>>29052822
Speaking of cooler choices, we're still looking for a good replacement for Ledyba, right? How about Scyther?

>>29052822
Not at all. I just think having a lot of starters is kinda overkill, and makes other choices seem pointless to be there.

>>29048089
Yeah, I noticed that too. That's partially where I got the idea for the system in the first place.
It looks fine, so I'll probably just leave it that way, since it allows for non rectangular rooms.

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How goes the work on the fan game?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D47yZ2nl-A

>>29050661
HJK hits like a truck fired from a cannon against the bosses of that episode though.
I recall it doing over 500 damage to Regigigas on my first playthrough of Sky.

>>29053748
Actually, get Medicham after Weavile in the special episode if you want to see some really big numbers.

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How difficult would it be to sprite a single Pokemon without any prior experience?

>>29055062
>without any prior experience
lel gud luk with that fricker.
Just open up mspaint or some equivalent and see for yourself.

>>29052875
I think Venonat could also work, but Scyther's a cooler choice and matches Ledyba'stype.

>>29052904
Seems like they're there for variety in case someone prefers the designs, and the dual types are pretty different from each other. Only pointless or redundant choices I can see are all the mono-Electrics, Fighters, and Doduo/Hoothoot.

>>29048193
>instead of ledyba
Surskit

Is there a way to use SkyEditor on Ubuntu? Currently using the Trusty version, because that's all that Crouton will support and an old Chromebook was cheaper than a "real" laptop. Do I have to use Wine, or is there a better option?

>>29047266
>>29056208

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>>29038885
Samefag as the guy you replied

I know the latter part reads terrible similar to Gen 3 and wanted to think that the focus on the Royal Guards activities makes a huge difference from Exploring dungeons or Rescuing people

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Okay, am I missing anything about the battle system /pmdg/?

>>29058874
I think it'd be easier for people to contribute if you explained what the things on the picture mean.

>>29059181
Fair point.
A monster on a dungeon has information that we need to keep track of.
A sprite would know where to locate it on the screen.
The map grid would know the grid relevant's information, like location on the grid.
The battle component has all the required information to execute battles.
The animations component knows the animation related information and whether an animation is finished (for awaiting for them to finish and then giving the turn to the player - as well as displaying them on a separate system.)
Moves and stats should be self-explainatory - they're part of the battle component.
Please do ask for elaboration.

Why the fuck didn't anyone but Japan get the WiiWare version? Has anyone played it? It looks so fucking good too.

>>29059508
Yep, we have. We also have some pastebin translations in the OP. It's nice.

>why didn't anyone else get it?
Probably because of the people who think all that matters is the plot. And maybe the "every game is the last one" meme.

I'm playing Explorers of Sky rn. I played the first game when it came out years ago, loved it. Dunno why I waited a literal decade to play the sequel. This rules.

>>29059669
Nice, where are you now?

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So, just started Gates to Infinity for the first time. I picked Snivy and Axew as my Partner.
Did I do good, /pmdg/?

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>>29058874
>>29059475
So why are there three HP stats under MonsterStats? The other duplicate stats I get, since they're stage boost modifiers.
Wouldn't a Move need a second PP stat to keep track of how many times it's been used?
Where's the IQ stat? I see one for what group, but not one for what skills they can/should know.

>>29059856
Good questions!
The Hp Stage Max is for temporary dungeon boosts (like oran berries in dungeons enhance HP temporarily, for that dungeon)
HP stage is for the current HP, i.e. the damage you can still take.
The other is, then, the HP you had when you entered the dungeon. It could be modified (permanently) in the dungeon through items so that's written back into the save file or the game's global state.
Yes, good observation. I'm adding that missing current PP.
The IQ stat is missing too, another good observation.
Thanks anon.

can anyone upload a super mystery dungeon save file with 100% connection orb?

>>29059896
So you're going the Super route with some of the gameplay, huh? Interesting. I should've figured when I saw only one slot for abilities.
Glad I could be of help.

>>29059766
We just defeated "Groudon" and talked to Uxie.

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEL3__eZIuA starts playing
Please no, I don't want this journey to end yet.

>>29059834
I'd say it's a decent fit, good on you.

Should I feed appropriate gummis to myself and my partner, or save them for legendaries?

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Okay, diagram part 2.
Anything missing from what relates to dungeons?
I also started adding a few UI components.

>>29059834
Grass typing felt bad for the first half of the game due to all the bugs and grass types, but no regrets overall.

>>29060318
Spoilers, it doesnt end there, there is way more beyond the last chapter

>>29060550
Give gummis to any Pokémon you plan on using. Doesn't have to be you and your partner and it doesn't have to be legendaries. If you're playing Explorers, farming gummis is easy (just super boring) so it's not that big of a deal if you want to spread the love to more than just your favorite Pokémon.

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>>29060611
Shouldn't there be an experience growth group stat under Monster? It'd help in determining whether or not any gained experience triggers level-ups.
Are you planning on implementing a storage system? It looks like there's no Inventory list for one yet, just for the bag.

For dungeons, what about the generation for where traps and stairs are placed?

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>>29061328
Hmm. I would've argued that it maybe should be on a different location - but given that I am storing the IQ group, you're right.
Yes, a storage system isn't too different from another inventory. I had completely forgotten about it. Nice catch. That also reminds me to add the sell/buy price for items.

Hmm. To some degree stairs are a given - select a room and a location in it to put stairs, and it could be after the fact.
Traps I hadn't considered at all. Good eye, there.
Thanks, anon.

>>29061413
You're welcome, just trying to help. It's taking me forever just to make sense of the chart, let alone find problems with it. I'm not so good at reading these.

Also I forgot to mention item and enemy generation, if that isn't listed yet either.

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>>29061588
Got it.
Here's the new version.

Aaaaaaaaaaah I don't know what to choose for Super Mystery Dungeon

>>29061814
Go with what the test gives you, dummy. You can manually select your teammates afterwards if you're not happy with what you get.

>>29061834
But I don't really like Mudkip.

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>>29061878
Then pick someone else.

>>29061814
Consider custom starters

>>29061897
It's an original game.

>>29061989
That doesn't matter. What matters is whether you're on 11.1 or not.

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>>29052875
>>29056117
>>29056467
Replaced Hoothoot with Scyther and Ledyba with Surskit and tried to get rid of some single-typed mons to add some more variety without trying to make everyone a dual-type.
Also rearranged the list to make it easier to tell which types have more dual-type mons.

>>29062131
>Scyther
Wow, a starter I'd actually evolve!

>>29062244
>Hey Scyther, we've got a job for you.
>Mind taking a look at blizzard island?

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How's the fangame going?

>>29062817
See >>29061705
We're building a diagram.
And we're looking into how to make the most space out of the ripped EoS sprites animation descriptions because the extracted data is just so freaking huge.
The engine's settled. Love2D.
That means we can potentially port it to run as 3DS homebrew.
... That's about it.

>>29062869
Hope it goes well lad, looking forward to playing. Nice 69 post btw ୧༼ ヘ ᗜ ヘ ༽୨

>>29062131
So, is this list actually going to be used in the fangame?
Doesn't look bad for the most part.

>>29061705
Oh fuck me, I can't believe we forgot about Monster genders
How am I supposed to waifu my partner without that

>>29063655
Well, that's the point of these diagrams. So that we can avoid adding last minute changes, precisely.

Added.

>>29063655
>>29063694
I think it'd be fine if we did it like RT, GtI and Super (basically, they don't exist outside dialogues). They don't really add much in Explorers.

>>29063752
It helps if someone ever does a translation, probably.
See NineBox though - the idea of that is that you can change the dialog frames to whatever you like, so gender doesn't matter there.

This thing may start to be programmed as soon as we get a test tileset, a few other diagrams or the sprites formatted, in probably any order.

This'll be fun.

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>>29063191
Honestly not sure, since nobody else said anything in the threads and haven't checked the IRC recently. Would be pretty cool if it ended up getting used.
Still trying to see if anything could be improved. Was going to replace Mareep with Chinchou, but decided against it because someone would get upset and there's already plenty of Water types.

So, uh, apparently several status conditions can stack up and get cancelled in various ways. Does anybody here know the details or can help us science our way through it?

In addition - the speed stat apparently controls accuracy or crit rate. Can anyone confirm?

>>29064100
I like this list. Keep it around in case anyone else's got feedback.

>>29064279
The various status effects are apparently split into different categories like Sleep related, and mobility related, and apparently you can only have one status effect from a category at a time.
There is a page on bulbapedo that describes the status effect categories and how they work. I just saved a copy of the page and I don't have the link, so you'll just have to search for it.

>>29064401
Checked it.
>the Mystery Dungeon series allows Pokémon to be afflicted by one status in each of a number of status condition groups
That explains it. Alright, got it.

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IT BEGINS
probably.
just setting up environment. still not in conditions to start coding without some more preparations just in case anyone skipped that bit from my previous comment.

>>29064885
Do us proud lad!

>>29064885
>Hello World
That's always a good start

>>29057031
Perhaps scyther is just too powerful to be considered a starter pokemon, I would rather add another

Similar case for misdreavus, but because ghost types are so few, and because of its design (small, cute, playful..) miadreavus is a nice inclusion

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>>29059508
i've played a tiny bit of it. Haven't played too much because I can't read japanese though, the most I can manage is a poor translation guide me and a couple others made. You have to either use Dolphin or hack your wii to play it.

It's the last game with an IQ skill, one of which is a skill that prevents evolution, because there's no restriction on it. Apparently there's a thing called Towers in it, but i haven't gotten far enough. The only way you'll get any sense of familiarity is by linking your DS to it, so the controls are the same as Sky

Does anyone know where I can find the music that plays at the very beginning of Super, when the game uses your camera? It's not in the jukebox.

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Which starters in Super MD don't look absolutely retarded with the scarf? I started out with Totodile and he looks so stupid I'm considering restarting.

>>29067606
It always looks like shit, the colors are atrocious.
It goes away when you evolve though, and custom starters don't wear the scarf at all.

>>29067656
I don't even mind the color, it's just that it looks like a fucking bowtie on Totodile, I just want it to look like a scarf.

>>29067656
Which colours would you use instead?

Well, since I'm starting over anyways, does anyone want to sell me their pokéfus? I'm leaning towards Charmander and Pikachu.

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>>29067901
Pear somewhere in there? Or Totodile? Or both?

>>29067715
I know it's a scarf on Chespin, Treecko and Pikachu. Not sure who else off the top of my head, you can look at the official art on Bulbapedia to see if it's a scarf or a bow tie.

>>29041706
I still have no idea what episode this is

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>>29067901
Choose a Snivy

>>29067901
Chespin is crutch tier.
I liked Treecko quite a bit, and doesn't wear his scarf like a bowtie, but you should just go with whatever you like.

>>29067860
I'd rather wear a hat, but anything but that shade of blue/green would be better. Cyan/white would be okay, but it'd still look like crap on certain starters. They should've made the color depend on what starter you picked.

>>29067901
Use Chespin. It's the cutest starter

We reached bump limit, new bread when?

>>29068000
>>29068026
>>29068096
>recommending babymode/Skitty 2.0

>>29068160
Never. It's over, anon.

>>29068185
What would you recommend then?

>>29068185
I dont pick pokemon based on power, i pick them based on favorites. It just so happened that my favorite starter was the strongest one.

>>29068212
When I first learned about Chespin I though he was gonna be my favorite of this gen, but then I saw his evo...

>>29068234
I dont hate Chesnaught at all but chespin is easily better. Thankfully evolution means fuckall in SMD

>>29068271
Oh no, I actually kinda like Chesnaught, even though I like Greninja a lot more, I was referring to Quilladin.

>>29068185
>2.0
More like 0.5, Attract working on everyone, STAB multihit, STAB everything in Explorers, and Cute Charm makes Skitty a far better choice in the games she's available in than Chespin is in Super.
She's also better in style points, Skitty has the best team base and nothing Chespin has can top that

>>29053693
This starts out deceptively similar to the original.

>>29068010
"Crowning the Scalchop King"

>>29066071
Might change it before the new thread arrives. Who should replace him, then? Could add Zubat, Yanma, Wingull, or Mantyke, or maybe Taillow/re-add Hoothoot if people are okay with another Normal/Flying.

>>29069878
>>29069878
>>29069878

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