/plg/ - Pokemon Lore General

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https://youtu.be/wMzwcIG8vgk

Reminder that Generations is NOT an adaptation of anything we have seen in the games, nor is it about Red. It's a series of completely new stories expanding on the stuff unexplored in the games, following a large cast of characters. Recap of the breakdown:

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>>28499467
posting guide

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I love pklore but I never participate in these threads because I have little time to browse /vp/.

What are good theories posted here?

>>28499589
go back to previous threads, it should give you an indication

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>>28499589
Very likely deconfirmed now, but who knows.

Surprised a general isn't riddled with name and tripfags yet.

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Previous Thread Recap:
>Ultra Beasts Revealed! Connections between them, Lillie, Lusamine, and Gladion?
>Relations between Sun and Moon characters names with various plants.
>AZ, Parfume Palace, Eternal Flower discussion, and more dots connecting Colress to Kalos.
>Sun and Moon legendaries and their possible connections to planets.
>Talk on why all Fossil Pokemon are Rock Type.
>Pokemon Generations Revealed! OVA's based on each of the regions which begins on September 16th!

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>>28499589
Well none yet, obviously.

Jokes aside, we try to make connections between main series games, anime, and the real world to try to see how everything fits together. Along with the stuff revealed in the Generations trailer, the popular topic right now is how the Legendaries and Ultra Beasts in Sun and Moon fit in with Classical Alchemy. Take a look at pic related for what I'm getting at.

>>28499620
why would it be deconfirmed?

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Reposting weird stuff list from past thread

Within Gen VI
>AZ's floette was in XY but cut for unknown reasons, might return a la Mega Lati@s and Complete Zygarde but who knows
>Pic related, can link to the Noppera-bō, a faceless, humanlike creature that is rumored to consume its victims entirely, then take on their form without a face, known Asian/Hawaiian legend

Between Gen VII and past games
>Project AZOTH was stated by both Aqua and Magma to return the world to its start, Azoth is a city introduced in Magearna's movie
>Sina and Dexio appear in Alola some time after X and Y take place with the Zygarde Cube, implying an extension to Kalos lore
>Colress, a known researcher, has a look similar to the Aether foundation, but is just coincidental at this point, >>28345153 → → → has these observations
>Type:Null was supposedly created to imitate mythological Pokemon, mask looks similar to Arceus' ring, illustrated in >>28345122 → → →
>AZ, Alpha and Omega, Day and Night have a huge "Beginning and End" motive, might be relevant

Within Gen VII
>Type: Null is a man-made mon, suggesting a connection with the Aether Foundation, a research group, but again, coincidental
>UB01 has shapeshifting powers and acts like a young girl, heavy implying a connection with Lillie

>>28499661
Stop posting that stupid ruined version of my work

>>28499661
it's fucking funny because generations is about to prove him wrong kek

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Guys, I think that Red meeting Zygarde here happens BEFORE X/Y.

As in, the reason Zygarde seems calmed in X/Y is because of Red here. Then, in the events of S/M, Zygarde will become his Perfect form again.

itallcomestogether

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Reposting notes on AZOTH in alchemy

Azoth is the single force -- the "spiritus animatis," as Wikipedia puts it -- of humanity that drives it to attain physical and spiritual perfection. Not only this, the Azoth seems to also have a physical incarnation as the "Elixir of Life" or "The Universal Solvent," and was known as the cure for any mental, spiritual, or physical ailment. Essentially, it's liquid perfection.

Another thing of note is that Azoth's name was constructed from the first and last letters of the Latin, Greek, and Hebrew alphabets, in that order: A/Alpha/Aleph, Z, Omega, and Tau, which ties in to the "Beginning and End" motif present in AZ, and Alpha and Omega.

Additionally, Azoth is another, less used name for the chemical Mercury, which is a part of a very significant trio in alchemy, with the other members being salt and sulfur. The chemical symbols of all three can be seen within the starter Pokemon, as shown in pic related.

reposting,I noticed something strange in ORAS.

By replaying very recently the game, they made few change that seem insignificant at first, but now makes a whole new sense. I am talking about RSE versus ORAS, and how they tied it together with what we know in X/Y and possibly the future.

1. Shelly, the admin of team aqua, now has a back story that she used to work at devon corp, which create product based on the infinite energy.
So she has a background as a scientist and for some reason joined team aqua....

2. Both her and the other aqua leader, have their skin color changed in the remake, including the leader Archie.
They are all tanned, now look at the anime representation or what they where in RSE, they were all white, now kinda brown like.. people that comes from island.(like aloha)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Aqua_Admin_Matt

3. She also seem to be very closely related to the leader in a personal way, they probably living together before or are in couple, they have the same ambition.

4.Courney mention in the delta episode that she want to fix the AZOTH project, by destroying the meteorite and the world, both the ultimate plan of magma/aqua are actually altered in the remake to be some sort of reboot of the world without human intervention/while the other is expanding civilisation or human progress. It's no longer just having more land or more water.

5. The 2 leader of those team where mentionned to be part of an original team, this did NOT exist in RSE.
The things is i suspect them to be part of something greater, that actually understood what natural energy is, and how to make the world a better place(possibly Aether) So their difference is actually a split of ideology from the same source.

In their base not only you find doc about about Azoth, but also the difference between primal evo/Mega evolution?

I just have the feeling that Aether is the great source for most of the deviation of the evil team that took their own interpretation.

>>28499682
You mean the fixed version of something ridiculously and unnecessarily over-complicated? No, I prefer the clear, fixed version, thank you.

>>28499684
Are they literally just recapping all 7 generations but replacing every main character with Red..?

>>28499719
nope take a look at this observation >>28499531


all the posts should be in order

>>28499706
OR-AS established that remakes are parallel universes, that's not my fault, cunt

>the looker episode(s) of generations might explain how he lost and possibly regained his memory

>the cyrus episode(s) feature giratina, and may go into detail about being trapped in the distortion world

Reposting the links between the alchemical triangle, Solgaleo, Lunala, Zygarde, and the Zygarde Cube, with said triangle being in >>28499650's Pic related because of duplication, sorry for inconvenience:

From >>28346446

>Anima is the sun
>Spiritus is the moon
>Corpus just has a cube to represent it, and the "arrow" that contains the symbol is pointing down
So is the Corpus legendary Earth or something?

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>>28346446
Literally Zygarde

Azoth = 5 planets (5 mons) + Sun/soul + Moon/spirit + physical hermaphrodite body (perfect Z, which have red (Yveltal, Y chromosome) and blue (Xerneas, X chromosome) wings)

Azoth = Solgaleo + Lunala + Zygarde + Xerneas + Yveltal

>>28499719
No, see: >>28499531

Generations is expanding on the games with events we have never seen before. Red is also not in most of it.

>>28499757
No it didn't, it established Parallel universes are a thing. Stop being an asshat.

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>"What can we expect from future games?"
>"Flowers."

1/3

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Where is my original dragon

>>28499793
>denial in denial yet

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Burnet from pokemon dream radar could be returning based on what we got by the latest trailer,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgtOSj4nbXU

the text occurs at 1:24

Burnets name in katakana is バーネット (Banetto) and the Kanji at the end is 博士 (Hakase).

We only see バーネット in the trailer.

This is important because pokemon dream radar was intractable as you can send research data or pokemon to B/W2.

Also pokemon dream radar was released at the same time with B/W2 in all regions.

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>>28499816
2/3

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>>28499801
DUDE

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>>28499840
3/3

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>>28499862
Yep. Though I don't understand where the hermaphrodite body came from. Anyone care to enlighten a poor soul?

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Furthermore, the Ultimate Weapon is based on a flower as well. Eternal Floette's flower to be exact. Magearna is based on the Ultimate Weapon, and can form laser cannons shaped like flowers from its hands. Signature move is Fleur Cannon (Flower Cannon).

>>28499826
In the BW remakes.

Wait until 2023.

>>28499878
Xerneas = X chromosome
Yveltal = Y chromosome

Perfect Z have red and blue wings, represent Xerneas and Yveltal, life and death, creation and destruction, woman and man.

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>>28499793
>Zinnia literally says there's a Hoenn without Megas
>Implying she's talking about anything other than the original games

>>28499826
Not created by GF yet.

>>28499922
Well yeah, but how does a hermaphrodite body have any connection to alchemy or the five planets theory?

>>28499923
also technology

>ORAS game = RS game + advanced technology and Megas

>ORAS universe according to Zinnia = Hoenn + advanced technology and Megas, due to the Ultimate weapon in Kalos
>another-Hoenn-totally-not-RS_Hoenn according to Zinnia = Hoenn without their technology or Megas, no Ultimate weapon

>>28500034
So
>RS = RS
>ORAS = RS + Ultimate Weapon tech and Megas

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Here's a version with all of them together for you.

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Sun and Moon post game story involving Shaymin when?

>>28499935
Azoth bases are 3, King Sol (soul), Queen Luna (spirit) and Physical Corpus. Corpus is a hermaphrodite body because represent perfection

Humans can be: MEN or WOMEN
MAN + WOMAN = a complete human, the perfect human

>>28500101
That's literally Zinnia's point
AZ created the megauniverse when built and shoot that machine

>>28500136
Found a tumblrtard

>>28499661
What is the point in having these wide branches for each version that just reconnect anyway? Why not combined versions into one section abd just put straight fucking lines? Make exceptions for BW -> BW2 and use Platinum in place of DP. Instantly looks a lot less stupid.

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I fixed a tiny error in the timeline, and added an FAQ to explain any possible questions someone new may have.

>>28500276
Pleasu fuck off with your shitty derailing of a thread. People who scream tumblrtards constantly are the biggest fucking mouthbreathers I've ever seen tbqh, f a m.

>>28499577
>ESL
Who?

>>28500122
A Gracidea episode would be pretty cool

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Reposting the Pokémon World Map.

It's a slight tweaking of BirdKeeperToby's map that should be more accurate according to In-Game Dialogue

>>28500304
Timelinefags are autistic as fuck, so even small things like the version differences are already enough for them to create an entirely new timeline, despite the main story and elements of the games being exactly the same.

>>28500304
I chopped off D/P in the fixed version here >>28500309, because you were right, they shouldn't be there.

Not sure what I think about your other point though. I like this one because it's as clear as it can possibly be like this. I like the layout. But I guess it could be simplified further.

My main focus here is making a clear, precise Timeline, as opposed to all the overly complicated shit ones that try to lay out three different timelines at once for no reason.

>>28500338
>no labels

>>28500338
>Kalos is closer to Johto than Sinnoh
>Unova being anywhere near the first four regions instead of being in the other side of the planet or something
>"accurate"

>>28500353
that's why I prefer pokespe's timeline, in which everything is linear, including remakes

>>28500104
I split it in 3 parts because my original was too large for me to upload :/

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>>28500034
But RS(E) universe aren't the original one, neither

RSE tie to FRLG, so we have another less advanced universe, RGBY universe

Classic universe
RGBY -> ? -> GSC -> ? -> ? -> ? -> ? -> ?

Modern universe
FRLG -> RSE -> HGSS -> DPPt -> BW -> BW2 -> ? -> ?

Mega universe
? -> ORAS -> ? -> DP remake? -> ? -> ? -> XY -> SM

Obviously some games happen in all universes, but not as we know them. In mega universe Team Plasma exist, Colress too, but they aren't the Team Plasma or Colress that we know it, like Galatic exist, but we need wait to know their mega universe counterpart

>>28500338
>ball earth
?????

>>28500338
There's so much wrong with this shit I don't even know where to begin. Delete this, don't repost in the next thread.

>>28500400
What do you mean? Lables for all the Regions?

>>28500402
Actually, Kalos is canonically close to Unova, and Sinnoh. So, Unova can't be too far apart. Just one Region between them.

And Kalos has to be close to Johto, because it needs to be close to Hoenn, which has to be close to Johto, if that makes sense. They've connected via Embedded Tower/the Swimmer NPC's dialogue.

>>28500441
That is an oval

>>28500397
If you're going to keep the branches that consider alternate versions as alternate universes (that reconnect anyway), at least put them next to each other instead of miles apart. Keeping them so far apart makes it look like an actual significant split of some sort when it isn't.

>>28500457
Go on, use some In-Game evidence to debate it.

No seriously, I am interested, if you have information that makes it inaccurate, I would like to hear, so we can fix it.

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>>28500309
>destroying it so hard

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>>28500316
For clarity, a hermaphrodite is both sexes BIOLOGICALLY. Meaning they have both sets of genitals. Gross, I know.

>>28500331
ESL: English as a Second Language.

>>28500425
There is one single timeline. This has been established over and over again. Trying to write out three of them like this is completely and utterly pointless.

They're all the same timeline. Just with differences, as explained as parallel universes.

>>28500460
>Kalos is canonically close to Sinnoh
I thought this was a lore thread, not a headcanon thread.

>And Kalos needs to be close to Hoenn
It literally doesn't. AZ traveled the whole world while searching for his Floette, and there's nothing indicating megas are exclusive to these two regions, so there's absolutely no reason to think Hoenn has to be geographically close to Kalos.

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>>28500276

>>28500476
You're right, I'll make it more concise.

>>28500506
Quit whining.

>>28500540
Sycamore and Looker travel to and from Sinnoh via train.

An NPC in western Kalos boasts about just swimming all the way from Hoenn, something unfeasible unless the Regions were close.
So, uhh, ya.

>>28500528
One single timeline, several parallel universe. Literally my point, faggot

>>28500460
Yes, the regions should be labelled

>>28500621
>Sycamore and Looker travel to and from Sinnoh via train.
>what is transsiberian

>>28500353
But if you actually look at my timeline, you would see I was the one explaining that it IS just a single timeline. There's no need to outline multiple of them because there is simply just one single timeline.

Im not like this >>28500425 guy who tries to outline multiple timelines needlessly.

So Aether and co have five people:

Lillie - blue - ub01
Lusamine - yellow - ub02 beauty
Gladion - red - ub02 expansion

and then

Wicke - purple - ub??
Faba - green - ub??

Do you think we'll get purple and green ultra beasts?

>>28500573
Quit ruining accurate work

>>28500621
There is the possibility the swimmer is lying his ass off and, as a silent protagonist, you're unable to call him on it. Not saying you're wrong, but that's anecdotal at best.

Really all we know concretely is the proximity of Kanto, Johto, and Sinnoh, as well as that Unova is on a separate landmass from all of those.

We can extrapolate that Hoenn is probably close to the Kanjohsoh landmass, due to access to Birth Island and the like, as well as the presence of Groudon and Kyogre in western Johto.

Aside from that...I dunno. There's a lot that's up in the air.

>>28500682
>The Trans-Siberian Railway is a network of railways connecting Moscow with the Russian Far East.
????

I don't have a clue what you're implying, but the train station in Kalos goes East into the Mountains, towards to Mountain Region of Sinnoh, just like Looker and Sycamore say.

I think you're trying to suggest that they conveniently ignore mentioning traveling through PokéRussia, and taking a boat or something. I hope you're not actually suggesting that anyways. Because that's a pretty stupid leap that chooses to just ignore the information we have been given.

>>28500697
Their consensus is that the Ultra beasts are modeled after planets. UB01 has a silvery look like the chemical Mercury, Venus was the Roman God of Beauty, and Mars is, well, big and red like Expansion.

>>28500685
Really, just do like >>28500476 said and put different versions of the same game together instead of so far apart.

There's no reason for Black and Black2 to be closer to each other than Black and White, when the latter are basically the same game.

>>28500729
Fixing*

>>28500803
not that anon


it's a joke anon

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To think this thread started so well...

>>28500813
I will, thank you. Part of this problem is because I am fixing up an overly complicated timeline someone else made, but you're right, there's no reason the versions should be so apart. Only a retard would be confused by it.

>>28500852
it's because of timelines, best not to mention them kek

>>28500852
Timeline discussions ruin everything. OP should have put a warning like in previous thread.

>>28500846
oh

>>>28500764
>There is the possibility the swimmer is lying his ass off and, as a silent protagonist, you're unable to call him on it. Not saying you're wrong, but that's anecdotal at best.
I mean sure? I admit it's probably the least convincing piece of evidence for the entire map. But I still doubt Game Freak would put a random lie in the game just for kicks.

>Really all we know concretely is the proximity of Kanto, Johto, and Sinnoh, as well as that Unova is on a separate landmass from all of those.
>We can extrapolate that Hoenn is probably close to the Kanjohsoh landmass, due to access to Birth Island and the like, as well as the presence of Groudon and Kyogre in western Johto.
Sure. All of that is taken into account in the map

>>28500500
Well, first of all, Orre is canonically close to Hoenn and Johto as all Trainers in Orre import their Pokémon from those two regions, implying they're the go-to regions to get Pokémon from, which must be because they're close enough to actually do so. Secondly, Unova isn't far enough away from everything else, and also needs to be rotated 90 degrees. This is because when it is winter in Unova, only the left side of the game map gets snow, meaning that side must be the northern side of the region, and thus colder than the rest (which it is). There is also nothing that sets Kalos THAT close to Johto, they should be further apart. There's also 3 random area spots that I don't get; two next to Unova and one in the water next to the Kalos/Sinnoh chunk of land. The fuck are they supposed to be? Also, Faraway Island is missing, and should be on equator far away from everything. There's also something about Fiore being physically close to Sinnoh, but I don't remember the exact text. But going from real-life inspiration, it and Almia should be directly below of Sinnoh, seeing as they're neighbours and they actually take up a small part of the southern Sinnoh map (the part below Twinleaf Town and the Pal Park). Oblivia is like Unova, it's so far away from everything they barely have any contact with any of the old regions. It should be much further away from everything (but still on the same side as Fiore and Almia). A problem here would be that Orre/Fiore/Almia/Oblivia are much smaller than the main regions, which makes fitting it all together in this kind of picture a bit complicated. Also, the rest of the map (the big random chunks of land Unova and Orre are connected to) is just not canon. It would be better to just cut it off instead of trying to make the map cover the entire planet when that's literally impossible.

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Who gives a shit about timelines? It's been discussed to hell and back.

Talk about other shit, please.

>>28500882
>>28500894
Timelines =/= multiverse

The multiverse shit is what really causes the arguments, because autists cant seem to comprehend that it doesn't matter, and trying to lay out a dozen different "universes" is never going to be significant or important to anybody. Everybody generally agrees on the Timeline though, except for a few special retards that think only Gen 6 is canon, and that OR/AS happens after X/Y. But they don't seem to be too common around here anymore.

>>28500812
Given that the classical planets are the first five non earth planets + sun/moon, it seems like we need a Jupiter and Saturn ultra beast.

>>28500894
OP here.
Agreed. I'd forgotten about that argument since the Richard Issue.

To change the subject, what's everybody expecting from tomorrow's release? UB02 Beauty and Expansion?

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>>28500988
EXPANSION dong

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The world map should look somewhat like this, with Unova being far away from these regions, and Kalos being somewhere between Unova and the other regions, but still relatively distant from all of them.

Even if it is a map based on the anime, it's still closer to being canon than whatever the fuck the person who made this >>28500338 was trying to do.

And as >>28500922 said, Orre is said to be close to Johto and Hoenn, while Fiore is said to be close to Sinnoh.

>>28500922
>Orre is canonically close to Hoenn and Johto as all Trainers in Orre import their Pokémon from those two regions, implying they're the go-to regions to get Pokémon from,
That's a very interesting point.

>Secondly, Unova isn't far enough away from everything else, and also needs to be rotated 90 degrees.
This is where we are going to completely disagree. Aside from being "far" and on a different landmass, we have nothing to suggest Unova should be any further away from the other Regions. Especially when we know Kalos is between Unova and Sinnoh. As for tilting the map 90 degrees, that is also incredibly silly. Real world Geography doesn't even work like that, let alone the fantasy world of Pokémon, where it can snow 2 routes away from a desert. No reason to believe that "North" in the games is not actually North. Hell, I would be willing to bet there is text in the games referring to the North in context just perfectly.

>There is also nothing that sets Kalos THAT close to Johto
Again, it's not about Kalos being close to Johto, but rather Kalos being closer to Hoenn, and Hoenn needing to be close to Johto. Kalos is just close to Johto by proxy.

>also 3 random area spots that I don't get; two next to Unova and one in the water next to the Kalos/Sinnoh chunk of land. The fuck are they supposed to be? Also, Faraway Island is missing, and should be on equator far away from everything
I believe all of that is explained here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJNYbQTFb84

>Also, the rest of the map (the big random chunks of land Unova and Orre are connected to) is just not canon.
I agree, a lot of the extra landmass was just added to pad it out I guess. It's definitely not a completely canon map, it's just the best one we have so far with the info we have in the games.

>>28501128
The games have proven this is bullshit though. Sinjoh is north of the Lake of Rage, with Sinnoh north of Sinjoh.

So no, the PokéWorld wouldn't look anything remotely like that. That was just a promotional poster given away for one of the anime movies or something.

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>>28500841
>fixing
You literally deleted stuff because you don't care about parallel universes, even if others do
You're just a selfish disgusting cunt

>>28501211
No, I deleted them because I understand that parallel universes don't affect or change the timeline in any meaningful way at all, and thus didn't need to be mentioned in the image beyond the FAQ. It's pointless over-complication.

Can we hug it out?

>>28501175
>Aside from being "far" and on a different landmass, we have nothing to suggest Unova should be any further away from the other Regions
How? It is explicitly said to be "far away from other regions (introduced before gen 5)", while neither Hoenn nor Sinnoh put so much emphasis on the "far away" part. Every main canon of the franchise seems to like to point that out, from the games to the anime.

It's pretty obvious that the Kanto-Johto-Hoenn-Sinnoh regions are considerably closer to each other than any of them is to Unova.

>>28500988
Something else on Solgaleo/Lunala please

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OUR LORD AND SAVIOR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm27o9B623M

>>28501284
>parallel universes don't affect or change the timeline so I erase that
>over-complication
That would be a good point, if that really was over-complicated, but was not
Also, you could have asked for a simple version. I did the original version, I could do a better version than yours and you know it. You only added 1 good thing, that's about the temporal distance between games, but I don't put that in my version because I did not want words, only the boxes and their japanese titles (also I have another pics to show a precise timeline, dates included)

>>28501672
>That would be a good point, if that really was over-complicated, but was not
Well I disagree mate, I really think one simple timeline is fine.

>Also, you could have asked for a simple version. I did the original version, I could do a better version than yours and you know it
Dude if you're serious, then go for it. Nobody is stopping you. If you do a better version them mine, people will use that instead. I can't control /vp/

>(also I have another pics to show a precise timeline, dates included)
Which one is that? Post it?

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>>28501814
>Well I disagree mate
So that's where we collided, I guess.

>If you do a better version them mine, people will use that instead
>do a better version that will be stolen and reposting without any credit
[pic related]

>Post it
1 I'm spanish. So 4chan would call me "taco" if I post it
2 I am 100% sure about dates, but I don't have evidence or official confirmation.
If I post that DPPt dates back to 1999/2000, no matter if I have consistent explanation, everybody here just would say "headcanon"

>>28502259
>If I post that DPPt dates back to 1999/2000, no matter if I have consistent explanation, everybody here just would say "headcanon"
Well, because it would be. Pokemon doesn't operate on our IRL dating system. Also how could the nintendo wii exist in 1999?

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>>28500338
>Almia not being the southern part of Sinnoh even though it's seems geographically similar to the real-life counterpart
TRIGGERED NIGGERED

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>>28499674

Because. Pokédex was created by professor oak

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That guys hodge podge map is getting to me so heres mine prior to Gen 6.
The black squared areas are Orre to the east of Johoto and all the black squares inbetween Kanto and Sinnoh are Ranger locations

>>28502818
Sorry but we know the map doesn't work like this.

Sinjoh/Sinnoh/Johto don't match up like they should, and Hoenn has to face the wrong direction for it to even work like this. It's a nice idea, but it just doesn't fit correctly canonically. Especially when regions like Alola and Unova are so explicitly different from their real world inspiration.

>>28502802
Oh fucking hell, look who's shown up.

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>>28500621

ORAS is non-canon.

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Heres the full one

>>28502802
>>28502900

looks like richard is here

>>28502818
>Holon
Explain pleez

>>28502900
Go away Richard

(Also what the actual fuck, that Post had literally nothing to do with ORAS you fucking autist)

>>28502922
Holon is a region in the card games, Its where delta pokemon originate which is the precursor to aloha pokemon. The region fucked around with crystals and mew in the lore and the weird environment changed pokemon typings. (Mainly to steel)
It had such pokemon as Fire Salamence and Electric Fire charizard!

>>28502924

see the richard guide is fucking spot on kek

>>28502922
Also
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Holon

>>28502963
It is admittedly interesting that the TCG tried to have its own lore and region for a while.

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>>28502898
>>28502921
>>28502924

>>28502802
>>28502900
>>28503020

adding these to the richard guide because I can't fucking believe how easy it was to find you

>>28502802
>Gen 1 happens at the same time as Gen 3
>Birch gives May/Brandan a PokéDex
>So the Dex in Gen 1 can't have been the first
Am I triggering you, Richard? :)

>>28503005
Ive been wanting Delta species for years now and even though its a bit tamer the Alola(keep bloody saying aloha) pokemon are close enough!

Delta Sandslash was Steel Ground so I almost got that....apart from the Ice :|

holy shit this is hilarious, the guide was fucking spot on,

is this meme magic

>>28503020
go away Richard

>>28502898
the map doesnt work like anything as every official source of the world contradicts itself so everyone will have there own headcanons. Atleast that map has Orre almia and Fiore in logical places. even all the weird ones!

>>28503063

ok.

>>28503112
I mean sure. I don't think there is a single fan map out there that everyone would agree is completely accurate. I like seeing the different takes and reasoning people have for it, as long as it doesn't degenerate into a complete "I'm right, you're wrong" argument, which sometimes happens.

>>28503036

But Professor Oak created the Pokédex.

There is a lot of Pokédexs.

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>>28503030

ok.

:)

>>28503173
I like the idea of the main continent being pretty much Japan, It makes sense they would design as such and then all the other countries like Unova and Kalos are just weird fucked up versions mismatch everywhere!

>>28503183
richard I never thought a fucking guide would help me find you but I was proven wrong today

>>28503183
Doesnt mean he created the software or such!

>>28503219

I see.

A lot things could happen.

So you should never rule out any possibility of it.

>>28502307
>Pokemon doesn't operate on our IRL dating system.
It does
>pewter museum of science
>Space Shuttle Columbia
>"July 20, 1969! Humankind first set foot on the moon that day. I bought a color TV just so I could watch that news."
>Red-Green offered for sale at 1996, Gold-Silver (3 years later in games universe) at 1999

>Also how could the nintendo wii exist in 1999?
How that real world reference can work seriously? Brendan have a Game Cube in RSE and a WiiU in ORAS, but they aren't happen at different times.

Also my english is poor, I not sure for be able to explain everything, you know

>>28503183
Doesn't mean Oak created all the device like the software or such! He may of created the concept with all the other Profs and just said he invented it when it could have been a thinktank or such!

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>>28503246

The device and etc

>>28503265
I would agree with you richard but you're retarded enough to say ORAS isn't canon.

this is just hilarious

>>28503294

Professor Oak created every pokédex on Earth

>>28503246
>>28503219
>>28503294

>>28499467
>DONT REPLY TO RICHARD.

>>28503291

Also how could the nintendo wii exist in 1999?


Technology is far more advance in Pokémon Earth

>>28503333
No he didnt Richard!

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>>28503183
Well he didn't create the Rotom PokéDex, now did he?

>>28503217
I think, very generally speaking, this is semi accurate. I mean, you have Unova and Kalos heavily connected with the Abyssal Ruins, and Parfume Palace. But also implications of Kalos being connected to Sinnoh.

Unova definitely CAN'T be all of USA, but nor just a part of it. Orre and Alola are also America-inspired, and yet Unova is a mesh of all kinds of American locations, from NYC to Hollywood. Even Hawaii. (Humilau City)

But you are correct that, for a while at least, they considered the first few Regions were SORT OF connected the way Japan is. But not exactly.

For example, look at Alola. Clearly based on Hawaii, but it doesn't have every Island, nor are the Islands in the correct place compared to Hawaii.

PokéJapan is probably similar to PokéHawaii. Sort of the same, but with some differences. Such as Sinnoh being more north of Johto, and Hoenn being rotated 90 degrees

>>28503323

ORAS is not on The official timeline posted by a official source.

>>28503392

Professor Oak created every Pokédex.

>>28503425
kek

>>28503425
Neither is Platinum, but that is the Version Cynthia references in B/W.

Stop being such an autist Richard. You can't be right about everything.

>>28503471

It's not.

>we could be speculating about the upcoming lore expansions in Generations
>instead we autistically bickered about maps and timelines, before getting out-autist'd by Richard himself.
This thread man. I love you guys, but fuck.

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updating the guide,

the previous one was accurate, lets make it even more so

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>>28503483
Platinum is on there.

>about Richard and dex
Actually... Oak create the Pokedex. Birch says something about "order" the pokedex, so that's explain how Birch have a dex shortly after Oak created the original one

Kanto dex = by Oak
Johto dex = Kanto dex expansion
Hoenn dex = by Oak ordered by Birch
Sinnoh dex = Oak and Rowan working together
Unova/Kalos/Alola dex = a lot of years has passed, so other professors can make more dex based on Oak invention

>>28503546
How do we filter posts by tripcode again? I got nothing on the FAQ.

>>28503525
Last thread was perfect, can't win them all it seems let this be a lesson for the next thread, never post timelines

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>>28503392
To be truthful, they just turned Maui sideways. The island to the northeast is where the other islands that are considered Maui county would be. Aether is where Lanai should be, but that's probably coincidence considering they're nothing alike. This leaves us with either a Molokai or Kahoolawe proxy/ just some random island.

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>28499531

>28498214

That's actually Kanto E4, even if it doesn't looks alike.

The characters are Agatha, Lance, Lorelei and Bruno, in that order. I think they are trying to retcon it to be like Kalos's and Unova's E4, where you choose their order.

>>28503551
Fuck, I just got corrected by Richard.

Well the only thing that connects Gen 1/3 and 2/4 together are information in their remakes. This you can not deny.

>>28503569

None of the other professors make Pokédexs

>>28503579
I actually feel like a piece of shit about it now.

>>28499650

The part with the bust needs Riddler's comment on elements and hyperspace.

>>28503571
Richard doesn't use a tripcode, so there's no way to filter him

>>28503609
omg Richard you are amazing, Your such a idiot!

>>28503597

>Well the only thing that connects Gen 1/3 and 2/4 together are information in their remakes.


Ok.

>>28499684
Wait...

Does this mean Mewtwo will fight Perfect Zygard?

>>28503611
OP here.

I got the opening message written down in a file so it can be copy-pasted for the next one. I added a "no timelines" rule to the top to make sure it doesn't happen again.

and don't worry man, you didn't know

>>28503642

They don't.

Professor Oak created the Pokédex.

No one else did

>>28503217
>>28503246
>>28503382
>>28503642
Why do you finish every post with an exclamation mark though

>>28503609

richard you should uhh get a tripcode because it'll help us and you,

consider it your presence will be known

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>>28503657
THAT would be awesome.

>>28503377
>how could Game Cube exist in 1996 (ORAS)?
>how could time machines exist in 1999 (GSC)?
>how could magical healing machines exist even before 1996?
Means nothing

>>28503641
Is there a way to hide his posts, at least?

>>28503643
Wait, what the fuck?

Did Richard just learn something here?

>>28503663
I think it's less Timelines/Multiverse shit, and more the problem of posting fan-made guides. Because nobody pictures it in their head the same way, even if we all share the same understanding of the chronology. So specify guides. And I'll never post any of the ones I have saved again, it's just not worth it.

>>28503663
Put a "no maps allowed" as well.

Discussing maps is pointless anyway since GF deliberately tries to keep the geography of the Pokémon World a mystery, so it's possible that we'll NEVER get anything close to a "World map" in this series.

>>28503592
Shit I didn't quote it.

Meant for >>28499531 and >>28498214

>>28503657
Well Red has caught the Mewtwo in this continuity, so it's entirely possible they could have him whip it out as a surprise.

I'm curious if we will see his MegaZard, or other Mega Pokémon. Or Z moves.

And remember, the last episode of Origins gave us a surprise reveal for X/Y.

I expect a similar reveal for S/M.

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>>28503643
>>28503756

Every body fucking panic, richard is learning

>>28503756
I think the only official guide is Masuda's twitter post.

And relax. It was a mistake. There's always next thread.

>Richard starts posting
>thread suddenly becomes all about him instead of simply ignoring his posts
What's even the point of the guide then? Just meme value?

>>28503837
the more he posts, the stronger the guide will grow

last thread was richard free because of it

>>28503546
Richard has really abnormal filenames that give him away. Like he has his own autistic filing sytems.

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>>28503657
>Mewtwo vs Zygarde

We pokespe now

>>28503773
Here's a preview of next thread's opener, in case I'm not around to post it:

/plg/ - Pokemon Lore General

Thread No. 12: PLEASE BAN RICHARD Edition

Previous thread: >>28499467

>Post theories, predictions, ideas, and trivia about Pokémon Lore.
>No flaming, only discussion.
>Do NOT reply to Richard.
>No debating alternate timelines/dimensions. It’s been argued to death.
>No fanmade world maps either. This includes Serebii’s.
>Try to have fun.

Feel free to repost anything from the previous threads. The more information, the better.

>>28503924
fuck off the map discussion was civil, "Try to have fun" , Try not to be a Nazi with thread rules!

>>28503924
I thought the map discussion was fine and civil though

>>28503924
"Incase im not around to post it"

And you are who exactly?

>>28503963
As >>28503773 put it, Game Freak deliberately decides to keep the Pokemon World's geography a mystery, so it's pointless to discuss.

>>28504015
THE MAKE MOST OF THE GAMES LORE AND SHIT A MYSTERY SO IS THAT POINTLESS TO DISCUS??

Prick!

>>28504000
I was the OP of this thread and the last.

>>28503995
Alright, I'll remove it, but don't blame me if arguments turn hostile.

>>28503924
I would personally change;

>No debating alternate timelines/dimensions. It’s been argued to death.
>No fanmade world maps either. This includes Serebii’s.

to

>No arguing about timelines/dimensions, or posting fan-made Guides (including fan maps).
>Stick to the Pokémon-related lore

Seems more simple, and gives a better expectation of the kind of stuff gets more fruitful discussion here.

>>28503963
>>28503995
Whether it was civil or not, what's even the point of discussing something that'll never get anywhere?

>>28504015
>>28504072

Game Freak deliberately decide to make most of the games lore a mystery, Then I guess we cant theorize on anything then!

>>28503722

Technology is far more advance in Pokémon Earth.

>>28503963
>>28504048
>>28504096
Your posts read like something a 12 years old would write.

Somehow they stick out as much as Richard's.

>>28504070
Got it. Thanks a bunch.

>>28503963
>>28503995
>>28504048
I'm not trying to establish unfair rules. I'm trying to keep this thread filled with calm debate and discussion, not flame wars.

>>28503708

I like been mysterious

>>28504072
>>28504059
>>28504048
>>28504015
>>28503995
>>28503963

The map stuff was MOSTLY civil, only getting heated just a little bit. But it's true that the Geography of the world is left intentionally vague so that they can make more Regions. There's really not much to discuss, and fan maps can cause arguments when people start to disagree on how accurate things match up to their real world counterparts.

So for all intents and purposes, we should move on from maps and parallel universes, and just stick to the actual lore

>>28504127
Maybe thats the idea

>>28504175
Shame less people are versed on Delta species, shames it TCG only as that could have been amazing ingame!

>>28503787
>Well Red has caught the Mewtwo in this continuity
This is a new continuity, just see champion Green oufit

>surprise for SM in the last episode
Generations ends in December, anon

>>28504175
Exactly. Civil or no, fan maps are a subject around which arguments can spawn, and since said arguments are mostly based on either incomplete or vague proof pertaining to the series, in turn setting off whole tangents of pointless bickering.

So, to bring the conversation back into the realm of relevance,

What do you expect from tomorrow's release, and how do you think we can discuss it?

>>28504235
richard you're not helping with anything here and just being off topic to the context of the conversation.

just like the fucking guide

>>28504235
Well the Alola forms are exactly that, so they are going to be in the games.

I'm just wondering how much of a mainstay they'll be.

In 5 years time, are we going to have dozens, or even hundreds of different Region variants? I'd like that. It's an easy way of making new Pokémon, while not flooding us with NEW Pokémon.

>>28504265
It depends. A lot of people are just betting on Starter Evos (im not convinced) and if it's just them, there wont be too much lore stuff to talk about sadly

>>28504277
Im not richard, Its likely he knows fuck all about Holon and such! It would be "noncannon"

>>28504277
We were talking about Holon further up as it was a prototype of the Alola form concept!

>>28504277
I don't think that was Richard. Richard talks in short sentences, and always ends with a period.

That guy wrote a longer sentence, with an exclamation point.

>>28504279
I feel that they'll save regional forms for completely new regions, while remakes will give us new megas instead.

>>28504265
>>28504324
I'm guessing that both of UB02 are going to be revealed, along with some new Pokemon. Maybe some more info on the Alola region's lore, such as another Tapu.

But what I'm really hoping for is coverage for the new Amie.

>>28504325
>>28504354
>>28504357

My mistake then.

>>28504377
>>28504265
Probably just the stuff in Corocoro, and maybe if we're lucky, something extra as a surprise.

>>28504357

Also, unlike Richard the exclamation guy doesn't put a space between the quote and his post like I'm doing now.

I have a idea I havnt seen anyone touch on, Does Jirachi have any relation to Megas and such with the Millenium comet?

>>28504498
Isn't the millennium comet anime-only?

>>28504070
>>28504175
>>28504265
Okay, updated opener. I'm trying to make this so that it can just be copy-pasted for every new thread:
-----
/plg/ - Pokemon Lore General

Thread No. 12: PLEASE BAN RICHARD Edition

Previous thread: >>28499467

>Post theories, predictions, ideas, and trivia about Pokémon Lore.
>No flaming, only discussion.
>Do NOT reply to Richard.
>No arguing about timelines/dimensions, or posting fan-made Guides (including fan maps).
>Stick to the Pokémon-related lore.
>Try to have fun.

Feel free to repost anything valuable from the previous threads. The more information, the better.
-----

If you have any ideas on how to update it, please share.

>>28504498
I doubt it. They did hint about Archie having a connection with a Jirachi though.

Oh man, could you guys imagine if we got a Pokémon Generations Episode about that?

so are people actually fighting about people fighting over whether or not to respond to richard and are we back on the map/timeline debates again

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>>28504556
Seems good to me.

>>28504535
Oh shit yeah it is. The thousand year sleep is canon ingame however. Swore I saw the comet thing in dex data but nope!

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UM.

>>28504781
Wh-what

>>28504781
ITS KINDA LIKE COLRESSs BOOK!

>>28504596I think Jirachi was his motivation for the stuff he did in ORAS because at some point he says that he wanted all pokemon to live peacefully and than says "that pokemon" meaning he is referring to one specific pokemon.
I headcanon Jirachi (his first pokemon) being abused by other people and he somehow had to hide it.

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So since all of the main games have 3 secondary legendary/mythic Pokemon, do you guys think that the 3 Ultra Beasts could be Sun and Moons?

And by secondaries I mean Pokemon similar to the legendary dogs or lake guardians.

I would have said the Island Guardians are them, but there are 4 islands instead of 3, and gamefreak loves the number 3.

>>28504781
They're really playing up the lore of these games to make a package like this.

>>28504781
Better save up

>>28504899
deepest fucking lore

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>>28504731
Not to be Richard, but the dex says it can attack while sleeping and it wakes up every thousand years by singing to it. Kinda pointless since lorewise and gamewise are still different because gamefreak can't be bothered.

There was also the little Easter egg in Alpha Sapphire where Shelly has a picture in her room of young Archie, her, and Jirachi, so I guess it should be asleep at the time of the games.

>>28504781
>December 9th.
I ain't waiting that long.

>>28505044
>another proof that Sapphire is canon, not Ruby
good :^)

You really should save and repost this in the next thread, guys:

>about Aether and UB

>Aether = space

>>28499494
>>28499801
>Gladion looks like Expansion, Mars' UB
>Lusamine looks like Beauty, Venus' UB

Also "Gladion" is named after "gladiolus", of latin "gladius", a roman sword

>Aether fundation = "space fundation"
>Lusamine = Venus = UB02 Beauty
>Faba = Saturn/Jupiter = UB0X ???
>Wacka = Jupiter/Saturn =UB0X ???
>Lillie = Mercury = UB01 ???
>Gladion = Mars = UB02 Expasion


Ultrabeast are confirmed to be hyperspatial pokemon from other dimension >>28494185

BUT Sinnoh lore states that humans ARE pokemon. Maybe in that dimension, some pokemon don't go through a darwinian evolution to humans... but evolve to ultrabeast? Expasion is the Gladion's counterpart, Beauty is the Lusamine's, etc

>>28505350
>Sinnoh lore states that humans ARE pokemon
This was restated recently actually. Someone in X/Y mentions that long ago, Human's were considered Pokémon.

A likely nod to Sinnoh, but the relevancy of it being recent in GF's memory is important.

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>>28505473
Well other than Sinnoh lore, it was always hinted at that Pokemon world humans aren't normal by our standards.

You see it a lot, Psychic people are a natural phenomena throughout the Pokemon world, Sabrina even said that psychic power is in everyone.
Some people like Riley can use the power of Aura.
People like, Koga, Janine, Ninja boys, or the Shadow Triad who have incredible physical abiltiy cause their fuckin ninjas.
Or people like N, Friendship Checkers, the Foot print reader, who can more or less understand Pokemon and are basically Pokemon Whisperers. Though this just might be a derivative of Telepathy
And of course, webm related, and probably some other stuff.


I guess a question that would arise is, how far down the evolutionary line are humans from Pokemon?

>>28505716
N literally is a Pokémon though.

It was a vague "what if" in B/W, but the sequels hammer it down pretty hard that N is a Zoroark.

You're right though, characters in Pokémon have a lot of special abilities comparable to Pokémon that imply that humans aren't so different to them.

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>>28504781

>>28505350
Ultra beasts are not Pokémon

>>28505716
This is the weirdest shit, it's like a gay porno without the porn

>>28505028
Well, I remember seeing a "leak" of Expansion battling a Pokemon.

But again, it appears that to change the formula, the new writers are pushing for bosses that aren't Pokemon

8-5-13-2-21-10-9 9-21-19-5-4-20 22-25-4-17-2 21-12-5-2-11-10-25-5-4 25-9 23-8-17-9-9 17-4-20 22-25-23-24-10-25-4-23 8-17-10-24-21-8 10-24-17-4 2-25-10-10-21-4 9 22-25-8-9-10 22-25-4-17-2 21-12-5-2-11-10-25-5-4 5-8 25-10-9 21-12-5-2-11-10-25-5-4 5-22 22-2-15-25-4-23 25-10 13-21-17-8-9 17 13-17-8-8-25-5-8-9 3-17-9-1 3-17-20-21 5-22 13-5-5-20 25-10-9 22-21-17-10-24-21-8-9 3-17-1-21 17 24-11-2-17 9-1-25-8-10 13-24-25-19-24 2-5-5-1-9 6-8-21-10-10-15 23-5-5-20
gonna have to work for your leaks, but ill spread it so maybe more people can see.
:)

>>28505716
what even are O-powers and how exactly are they utilized by the trainer is also a quesion

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>>28506288

>>28504153
We can tell its you either way.

>>28506284
You are a God's mistake, Richard.

>>28506570
No, he's right, in a way. On the official website, Ultra Beast are described as a threat to both People and Pokemon, implying that Ultra Beasts are neither.

>>28506380
Translated from numbers to letters:
HEMBUJI IUSEDT VYDQB ULEBKJYED YI WHQII QDT VYWXJYDW HQJXUH JXQD BYJJUD I VYHIJ VYDQB ULEBKJYED EH YJI ULEBKJYED EV VBOYDW YJ MUQHI Q MQHHYEHI CQIA CQTU EV MEET YJI VUQJXUHI CQAU Q XKBQ IAYHJ MXYSX BEEAI FHUJJO WEET

Probably done in reverse.

>>28506997
Nope, that ain't it.

>>28506889
Ultrabeast were currently under study, anon. Ultrabeast being pokemon/humans from a parallel universe is supposed to be a surprise

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GUYS.

What if ORAS WAS referencing Red all along instead of Blast Burn guy?

I know Rayquaza has not been shown but this is the change for them to ignore the anime canon (which they have done a lot except for some points) and place Red into the Episode Z story.

>>28507506
To be honest, "black Charizard" doesn't seem like it was intended to be a Mega at all, but rather referring to a Shiny.

The games don't ignore "anime canon" because the anime is always just adapting from the games. Steven doesn't have a Shiny Metagross either.

I agree though, Red is going to be in S/M. They've tripled the Red dicksucking in recent years, and his reappearance in the concept art is a good sign.

>>28507506
blast burn ha

>>28507614
Japanese version mentions a "black mega lizardon"

>>28507614
>To be honest, "black Charizard" doesn't seem like it was intended to be a Mega at all, but rather referring to a Shiny.
Could definitively be. But I think the jap text mentions it's a Mega.

>The games don't ignore "anime canon" because the anime is always just adapting from the games. Steven doesn't have a Shiny Metagross either.
Correct as well, that's why I said they ignore it except for some parts.

As a side comment, in the past I always feel like the stuff done in the anime was the reason a third game started appearing each gen. (Yellow, all the Suicune stuff for Crystal, all the stuff for Emerald) (I honestly don't know if it was the same with Platinum and B2W2) (The stuff that's happening in XY&Z is absolutely gonna be referenced in SM)

>I agree though, Red is going to be in S/M. They've tripled the Red dicksucking in recent years, and his reappearance in the concept art is a good sign.
It was a matter of time. I'm actually glad. I like Red.

>>28507692
This. Red in Origins. And hopefully in Generations as well.

Question: with the whole alchemy thing going on, is Magearna the Philospher's Stone or the Homunculous?

>>28508044
Not too sure where she fits in, in fact. the only ones we got nailed down are Solgaleo, Lunala, and Zygarde as parts of the Alchemy theory.

>>28508044
Due solely to the fact she's a man-made pokemon, I'm gonna say homunculus.

>>28508044
Magearna is a living copy of Ultimate weapon, which literally give Azoth (immortality) to AZ and Floette

>>28508044
The fact that she's man made makes Her an homunculus

>>28508044
Okay next question: is Rayquaza the Ouroboros or is it something else entirely? I find it interesting that while it does not swallow it's tail to start over yet live forever, it did mega evolve and thus remade itself anew. Hell, I don't mean to Richard but Ruby/Sapphire itself reset.

>>28508862
>Rayquaza
>eternal serpent
That's Zygarde

>>28508981
>>28508862
Yep, if any current pokemon is an ouroboros it's Zygarde. For the record, it's also got connections to Jörmungandr the world serpent, which is also depicted as swallowing its own tail.

I'm calling that this Generations is leading up to an MMO on the NX

>>28509150
Screencapping this. I have a weird gut feeling you may be right. Would be a good way to announce it. As another anon pointed out, Generations wont be finished until quite a while after S/M is out, so it's possible that they're building up to a different reveal.

>>28507614
final boss of S/M is UB Red

>>28506380

ROWLETS SECOND FINAL EVOLUTION IS GRASS AND FIGHTING RATHER THAN LITTEN S FIRST FINAL EVOLUTION OR ITS EVOLUTION OF FLYING IT WEARS A WARRIORS MASK MADE OF WOOD ITS FEATHERS MAKE A HULA SKIRT WHICH LOOKS PRETTY GOOD

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So
Cloning ancient creatures = bad
Chimeras made through alchemy = good

When did Pokemon lore become some X-files shit?

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>>28510081
When Shigeru "madman" Ohmori took the reins!

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Hyper beast dimension War:
Elisio disappeared with the machines.
Dont you think guys that az and floette were on a war to protect the massive attacks from ultra beast? And also pokemons disappeared like elisio cause of the machines?

>>28510179
I leave this here another one:
Ultra beast looks like the characters, dont you think that this can be a legit synchro? And if with that Synchro they can surpass the dimension portal?

>>28509150
>Pokemon MMO

When will this meme end?

>>28510256
>When will this meme end?
Unfortunately never.

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And if the ghost girl from xy is searching the one that can also synchro like az and floette to save again the world from hyper beast? Maybe she come from the past

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>>28510179
Lunatone and Solrock Are also battling

>>28499760
Don't raise my hope please

Do palkia dialga and giratina have any place in the alchemy stuff? Palkia represents space and liquid. dialga represents time and solid. giratina represents antimatter and gas.

>>28509107
Aah alrighty. I always thought Zygarde is the protector of earth and part of the Planets theory moreso than Alchemy. But hey, we will get our answers in due time.

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>post yfw looker appears in sm with a gumshoos

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>a pokémon with all types would only be weak to Rock
>fossils are Rock-type
>Ancient Power is Rock-type
>meteors like Minior, Solrock and Lunatone are Rock-type
>Judgement and Draco Meteor resemble meteor showers
>meteors are also related to Deoxys and Rayquaza
What does it mean

>>28510179
>Dont you think guys that az and floette were on a war to protect the massive attacks from ultra beast?

No, XY says it was simply humans being dicks to each other. It *sounds* like it was a rebellion against AZ or some kind of succession crisis, seeing as Lysandre is explicitly the descendant of AZ's *younger* brother, and the line of kings seems have shifted over from AZ himself.

The energy in the ultimate weapon, which also gave rise to Mega Pokémon, is the important bit.

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Since we've been told that the characters' plant based names will hold more significance in this gen I've noticed a lot of people are very knowledgeable in the language of flowers, but I can't recall seeing much attention paid to hanakotoba. The language of flowers and hanakotoba often have different meanings for the same plants.

For example, we know that Gladion comes from "gladiolus," which in turn comes from the Latin word for "sword." In the language of flowers, the gladiolus represents strength of character, sincerity, preparedness and remembrance, among other things. In hanakotoba, however, the gladiolus represents「用心」 (caution), 「堅固」 (firmness), 「たゆまぬ努力」 (diligent effort), 「ひたむきな愛」 (single-minded love), 「密会」 (secret meetings [mostly used to refer to a secret love affair]), 「思い出」 (memories), 「忘却」 (oblivion) and 「勝利」 (victory).

用心 (caution) is the same as the first part of 用心棒 (yojimbo), the word used in Japanese to describe Gladion's job position of enforcer.

I'm sure if someone cared enough to look into the hanakotoba for the other characters' names they'd find more neat things like this.