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Reposting this, since it's new and relevant.

Thoughts?

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>>28345082
reposting updated version

>>28345082
>Don't mention parallel universes. We all know the multiverse is canon
Pues que los subnormales estos dejen de toquetear mi imagen mezclandolo todo en un universo, anda.

>>28345158
I don't understand taco

>>28345176
Ya lo sé, anon. Ya lo sé.

>>28345122
>new
not really

It does have a resemblance with the thing that Arceus has around his body but apart from being something that looks similar I don't know if it's possible for it to have a deeper meaning

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Posting the current "Mega" Timeline.

This is NOTHING to do with parallel worlds, or the multiverse. Only the established timeline of events that we currently have.

How far after X/Y do you guys think S/M are going to take place, and why?

>>28345158
>>28345176
Build wall

>>28345153
I want this more than anything else right now. It will seriously make S/M better games to me, if they finally revisit Colress. He was a pretty big loose end in B2/W2.

That and the Original Dragon.

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The chinese riddler's final riddle for Gen 7 is the cipher: "! [Zelda25],288", and the hint is that it is related to the chronology of the story in Sun/Moon. And here we have Ultra Beasts entering through cracks in reality. What could it all mean?

>>28345244
If he actually comes back, will the Plasma Frigate appear again?
This being a region made of islands it's the perfect setup to have it back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPGSswhQS2M

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Reposting weird stuff list from past thread

Between Gen VII and past games
>AZ's floette was in XY but cut for unknown reasons, might return a la Mega Lati@s and Complete Zygarde but who knows
>Project AZOTH was stated by both Aqua and Magma to return the world to its start, Azoth is a city introduced in Magearna's movie
>Sina and Dexio appear in Alola some time after X and Y take place with the Zygarde Cube, implying an extension to Kalos lore
>Colress, a known researcher, has a look similar to the Aether foundation, but is just coincidental at this point, >>28345153 has these observations
>Type:Null was supposedly created to imitate mythological Pokemon, mask looks similar to Arceus' ring, illustrated in >>28345122
>AZ, Alpha and Omega, Day and Night have a huge "Beginning and End" motive, might be relevant

Within Gen VII
>Type: Null is a man-made mon, suggesting a connection with the Aether Foundation, a research group, but again, coincidental
>UB01 has shapeshifting powers and acts like a young girl, heavy implying a connection with Lillie

Also of note is this guy's >>28344696 theory about the third Legendary being based on Aristotle, really good observations

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Reposting so hopefully this time we can have a discussion, not talk about multiverse.

Supongo que es oficial, vp ha robado y destrozado mi imagen.
Supongo que haré una fiesta. ¿Quién se apunta?

>>28345397
I don't think this necessarily means that Aristotle is the 3rd. I like the idea that it'll be a scorpion, that fits really well with the design of the other two box legends. The philosophers stone theory fits really well, maybe the trio will form together and that will essentially be the philosophers stone.

>>28345224
Wait, what? What is this fucked up timeline?

>>28345578
The arrows divide between versions anon

>>28345600
But where did this come from? Seems out of nowhere, never seen this timeline before.

>>28345578
Masuda posted something on twitter detailing the events in this order. Just don't bring up the differences between RSE and ORAS. The previous thread is for that: >>28332628

>>28345638
>Just don't bring up the differences between RSE and ORAS
What?

>>28345611
it's just the "MEGA" timeline anon, a universe where mega evolution exists.

everyone pretty much agreed that there are multiple universes and this is one of them

>>28345653
But don't Megas only exist in X/Y, S/M and ORAS? Why are the rest on there?

>>28345578
>>28345611
It was constructed last thread to show the correct order of the timeline, using the most recent versions of the games as representative of their Generations.

In the most basic explanation, it's;

Gen 1 = Gen 3 -> Gen 2 = Gen 4 -> Black/White -> Black 2/White 2/Gen 6 -> Gen 7

That's our canon timeline.

The reason we know Gen's 1/3 and 2/4 happen alongside each other is detailed in the respective remake games. X/Y is suspected to be happening around the time of B2/W2 due to NPC dialogue, and was later confirmed by the creators.

>>28345676
because it's a proposed universe where megas exist in each region.

>>28345676
Because the other Gens still exist anon. They didn't disappear just because Mega's got invented. Multiple universes are a thing, but the Timeline always remains unchanged.

Now as the other anons have said, lets move on from this. We talked about it tons last thread.

>>28345676
Lets not rehash this argument.

>>28345676
Megas exist but so do the other games. Dont think about it.

>>28345699
Not necessarily that they're existing in each region. Just that they exist in the universe as a whole.

>>28345709
Well yeah, the other games would have to exist to some degree, but the original GSC isn't on the list when the entirety of HG/SS talk specifically about the events of those games in their past. Why aren't they there?

>>28345753
.....what?

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>>28345736
Im saying this because sun & moon is hinting on a DP remake which could include megas

>>28345753
>the entirety of HG/SS talk specifically about the events of those games in their past
You may be confused. The events HG/SS talk about are the Gen 1 games. HG/SS are effectively sequels to the Gen 1 games (FireRed/LeafGreen)

>>28345781
If that happened, the remakes would effectively replace the Gen 4 games in this >>28345224 timeline.

Side note: I really hope we get those remakes. Especially because Gen 7 is scrapping HM's, which were Gen 4's only real problem.

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>>28345781
take note of the background colours too, theres a rec-curing colour scheme

>>28345397
I think the key to finding the 3rd legendary is truly recognizing what the two legends we have represent, what they mean to each other, and what it's missing. There's always a dark and light, a positive and negative, a yin and yang, but Pokemon has become very fond of introducing the neutral, the balance, a middle ground.
And I think the key to finding that is going to be related to Aristotle? Maybe?

>>28345781
>>28345812
I'm praying to the almighty god above that it's just a sequel to DP that takes place either during or after SM

I'm tired of remakes. Especially since my two best games in the series (BW2 and HGSS) are sequels, and the huge missed potential that is sequels of the games drives me nuts. ORAS should have been a sequel.

>>28345812
Thats why the anon stated that it's a "MEGA" timeline anon.

we all know multiple universes exist is just that the mega timeline is one of them, it's a matter of time before all the games are remade,

to finish this it's a interpretation of a mega timeline based on what we got so far

>>28345781
>>28345822
Reminds me of the "Hoenn confirmed!" any time something red and blue showed up.

>>28345839
hate to break it to you but that what seems to be the direction they're taking so far,

anyway I said whats needed to be said, the mega timeline is just an interpretation based on info we got,

however many interpretations of timelines exist so lets leave it at that shall we?

>>28345224
I'd prefer if they'd just eventually make some type of remake of the previous games with Megas in the games, that'd be neat.

Well since everyone is getting their fun theories out there, I might as well give my lame one: I heard a couple of people suggesting that Aether could be a much more wide-spread organization then we think, and with their desire to learn all about Pokemon, could be connected to all the regional Professors - either as colleagues or even having them within the organization itself.

What if, in every game so far, with catching 'em all and filling out every single bit of information on every single Pokemon, we've been serving Aether's goals all along?

What if, in general, they've been around far before the beginning of the games? We have a consistent timeline of mankinds attempts to create Pokemon more perfectly then nature can; Magearna, harnessing the lifeforce of other Pokemon. Mewtwo, a bastardized offshoot of Mew's DNA. Genesect, a fossilmon resurrected and outfitted with high tech gadgetry to try and enslave it and increase it's power. And now Null, who looks like another Mewtwo attempt, but this time with the DNA of God; his flesh twisted and grotesque, with a bronzed mask and collar forced upon him to try and hold him down.

Colress seems like a likely member of Aether, regardless of if he physically appears in the game or not, and he was obsessed with finding the innate potential of Pokemon and humans, and harnessing them together. It was easy to think that was referring to Mega Evolutions, but maybe it wasn't?

>>28345822
[Hype]

>>28345929
Well yeah, any remakes would slot into the current timeline better, obviously. It looks like maybe, just maybe, we'll get Sinnoh remakes soon too.

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>>28345934
Not a bad theory, but it makes Aether seems a lot like HYDRA instead of the good corporation they make themselves out to be.

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I got one interesting theory,

I remember one anon was posting about flowers in one lore thread

>>28345934
>I heard a couple of people suggesting that Aether could be a much more wide-spread organization then we think, and with their desire to learn all about Pokemon, could be connected to all the regional Professors - either as colleagues or even having them within the organization itself.
Seems like a stretch, not enough information to make this assumption, I'd think.

>>28345934
Things we have to consider;

>Possible Sinnoh remakes coming
>Team Galactics story culminated with Cyrus opening up a new dimension (the Distortion World)
>Ultra Beasts appear to be from other dimensions
>Aether is often referred to something clear, pure, empty.
>Some science fiction have plots around an Aether dimension.

Also

>If Colress IS a part of Aether, he may have helped create Type: Null.
>Colress has already made a Pokémon; Genesect.
>Colress, as suggested here >>28345153, may have even created Z-Moves, and Rotom-Dex

Also

>If Aether's similarities to Galactic are true, and they also have Colress leading them;
>What if Aether is made up of "redeemed" scientists from across all the previous villain teams?

What are you guys' thoughts?

>>28346039
Wait, how many characters in this are named after Flowers? Only the ones that seem to be related?

Also, will we ever get an AZ Floette distribution?

>>28346062
>yfw aether pulled Cyrus out of the void
>yfw Cyrus has been working with/taken over aether
>yfw Cyrus tries it all over again except with UBs and the box legend

>ether
>ˈiːθə/
>noun
>noun: aether

>1.
>Chemistry
>a pleasant-smelling colourless volatile liquid that is highly flammable. It is used as an anaesthetic and as a solvent or intermediate in industrial processes.

>Colress
>Colourless

IT ALL

>>28346044
Not him, but the professors' desire to learn does provide them common ground not only with Aether but with each other, effectively providing a potential link between all of them.

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>>28346097
alot actually,

also to further add evidence remember zinnia from oras? well shes named after the flower called zinnia,

that flower is important as it symbolised thoughts of a missing friend which was zinnias character theme

>>28345919
Well, yeah. It's unlikely DP will get sequels instead of remakes. But I wont lose hope

>>28345934
I mean, it's not impossible for them to name drop Sliph Co, Devon Corp and Gamefreak as people they worked with

>>28346120

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrPKq4lk1NQ

COMES

>>28346062

Anon whose theory you replied to; I like it! Assuming they are what they seem to be, being redeemed scientists and grunts from former evil teams would be pretty cool.

>>28346044

It's very much a stretch, essentially a 'what-if' postulation based around that as a core conceit. I really doubt GF would do anything to imply Oak could be evil, or even doing evil acts unwittingly.

>tfw none of these deep, well thought out theories are actually true
>GF is just being inconsistent, lazy and repetitive
My biggest fear.

>>28346162
>45min

>>28346162

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZo6yTZlH8s

TOGETHER

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>>28346154
the zinnia plant in question and what it symbolizes

>>28346062
>>28346100
>>28346161
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I think we should hold off speculating on on DPPt remakes at least until Sun and Moon get released, when we'll have more official information to speculate with.

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>>28346184

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9Yuc1n9MQ


GET BINGE WATCHING ANON

>>28346231
Of course, just throwing relevant ideas out there

>>28346241
No thanks, those guys look like spergs and faggots.

>>28346154
Pretty much all currently known new characters are named after plants. Lillie and all members of Aether are named after German names of plants.

>>28346267
They are, the videos are incredibly autistic, and often retarded, but they're somehow pretty entertaining, and very related to this thread, and the current discussion.

>>28346097
Naming major NPCs after plants and flowers is a very, very long-standing tradition in Pokemon. The English version localizes it sometimes (Zinnia, the Professors) but doesn't bother other times (the Elite Four, Steven Stone, the Frontier Brains).

>>28346261
It does help, without a doubt, but not by much. There's nothing to connect it to. Once the games come out and - hopefully - establish a connection to Gen IV like X and Y did with ORAS, then it'll have more effect.

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>>28346178
No! It can't' be...they said "It all comes together"...!

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>>28346178
>mfw Colress doesn't show up, and isn't even mentioned
might kill myself

>>28346284
What are the meanings behind the Aether names?

>>28346178
I don't think we'll need to worry about that. The fact that we're getting Trial Captains and Island Kahunas Is a huge indication that GF is throwing us for one hell of a loop.

>>28345397
>Anima is the sun
>Spiritus is the moon
>Corpus just has a cube to represent it, and the "arrow" that contains the symbol is pointing down
So is the Corpus legendary Earth or something?

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>>28346446
HELLO.

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I made a coherent flowery naming theory,

what do you think?

>>28345122
This just blew my mind. The fact that someone made the connection between colress and the aether foundation and the sings on hos book etc. Just baffles me. This has to be a thing, there's just no way that's all coincidental. Thiz also makes my wonder if GF just looks back at games and tries to recycle some old stuff or actually planned this far ahead.

>>28346489
I think you should get some pussy, you virgin.

>>28346503
>makes my wonder if GF just looks back at games and tries to recycle some old stuff or actually planned this far ahead.
Most of it is probably Game Freak looking at past things, and going back/expanding them.

Doesn't make it any less cool though.

>>28346446
Literally Zygarde

Azoth = 5 planets (5 mons) + Sun/soul + Moon/spirit + physical hermaphrodite body (perfect Z, which have red (Yveltal, Y chromosome) and blue (Xerneas, X chromosome) wings)

Azoth = Solgaleo + Lunala + Zygarde + Xerneas + Yveltal

>>28346489
Some of the text is for Durants, make it a little more bigger

Do people unironically believe that Colress will be back or not? The only "proof" so far would be imo the character in the trailer who resembles him.

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>>28346536
>>28346472
>>28346446

>IT
>ALL
>COMES
>TOGETHER

>>28346564
See: >>28345153

They've been wanting to do something properly with Colress for a while. He fits perfectly into Aether, based on the info we currently have.

>>28346404
Lusamine - From Balsamine (German for garden balsam). Garden balsam, or Touch-Me-Not means "Impatience for Love" and is an invasive species on Pacific islands.

Faba - From faba bean. (his japanese name is German for faba beans)
Wicke is German for vetch.

>>28345082
you'll cringe when you find out what song I played to look at that pic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9dgSzfUp64

>>28346616
What does that have to do with this thread at ALL COMES TOGETHER

>>28346536
>>28346472
>>28346446

THE DEEEEEPEST LORE KEEPS GETTING DEEPER

GOLD/SILVER/CRYSTAL??

DIAMOND/PEARL/PLATINUM??

crystal=gem

platinum=metal

sequence broken why???

platinum came out right before the G/S reboots, open your eyes!!!

>>28346615
>Invasive species on Pacific Islands
>Alola is based on Hawaii, wich is a pacific island
What does this mean.

>>28346536
>>28346472
>>28346446

IT

>>28345781
blue and pink sunglasses?
On a couple who always wear gender-colours in every other outfit???

REMAKES CONFIRMED

Good god. I mean a lot of the thread is clutching at straws but you in particular better be ready to be disappointed.

>>28346615
So we have some Yandere here with Lusamina?

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>>28345781
>introducing god killer pokemon before gen 4 remake

it all adds up

>>28346640

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oO_P4GX_RA

New trailer

>>28346696
Heatran fuel can't melt crystal beams!

>>28345839
>Especially since my two best games in the series (BW2 and HGSS)
Emerald is better than both of those. Fuck man why didn't they acknowledge Emerald in ORAS?

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Is this easier to read?

>>28346778
>1:32
Is that fucking Oak?

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>>28346888

>>28346888
Yes, trips confirm

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>>28346915
dunno

>>28346630

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>>28346915
Yes オーキド (Okido)
It all comes together!

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alright stay with me here, in the pokemon ORAS manga it was stated that the meteor falling toward hoenn was a pokemon, as an explanation for why pokemon seemed to be able to mega evolve outside of battle. now, that meteor was broken into tons of little pieces when raquaza broke through it; pieces that were probably scattered all over. and than, for sun/moon pic related was introduced. so, since we don't have any evidence otherwise, what if minior wasn't exclusive to alola, but instead all minior were merely fragments of the meteor in ORAS.

>>28346762
the remake better let you catch darkrai without tons of event bullshit.

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I took this from some other thread a while back
replying with the 2nd image

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>>28347230

>>28346915
>>28347053

This is post >>28345153 is becoming more real by the 2nd

>>28346769
femdom intensifies

>>28347267
>those last two spots could be for sogaleo and lunala

IT ALL COMES TOGETHER

>>28347230
>>28347267
And what about the legends from X/Y and up?

>>28347291

IT ALL

>>28347141
I think Game Freak realized they have too many Mythical "Event" Pokémon. They put Deoxys into OR/AS, and I suspect they'll keep putting Mythical Pokémon into the games so they don't have to worry about Event demand stacking.

If we get D/P remakes, I bet my bottom dollar we will get a post-game plot revolving around Cresselia and Darkrai.

And, I am thinking maybe just maybe, Arceus may be in S/M, assuming Zygarde isn't the entire Post-Game.

>>28346039
null was his eevee which aether experimented on because of it's unstable evolution line

>>28346778
Really lobing the music in that trailer. Wonder where it'll be used in game.

>>28347311
>tfw gen 5 isn't canon

>>28347318
they're busy playing in the dumpster where they belong.

>>28347497
elaborate on this please, add some meat to this because it could be a good twist

>>28347504
It has to be the credits, if anything. There's no way they would use something that awesome for only gameplay.

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>>28346862
Nah, it isnt.

I do like Emerald though

>>28346778
>>28347053
>>28347333

>>28346154
Aster is a flower too.

>>28346039
but this means-no it couldn't be...

we might actually get a good rival

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DISCUSS LORE FAGS

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>>28347720
Did you HAVE to choose that filename?

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>>28347720
>Filename

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>>28347752
you know it

>>28347720
COMES IT TOGETHER ALL

>>28347581
I could see it being used during the sailing scene that's shown in most of the trailers.

>>28347825
Or maybe for a cutscene, I remember the Delta Episode had music just for the cutscene of you with Mega Fug

A lot of people keep saying that Type:Null exists to fight Arceus, but it's description says that its Chimera body is meant to be able to adapt to any "environment". Interpretation that as simply the literal sense and now with further thoughts combined with the idea that you as the player enter the Ultra Beast World via the box legendary, isn't it better to simply assume that Type:Null was created for the express reason to fight Ultra Beasts and be able to survive within whatever environment they live in? It's likely that Aether studied Ultra Beasts or at the very least unlocked the secret of Ultra Beasts at some point and feared that these Ultra Beasts were as strong as something like Arceus and would completely threaten their well being. There's probably going to be other Type:Nulls or at the very least unlocking Gladio's true power will allow you to survive with UB World without issue.

I'm very excited for this World hopping journey and I'd like to hope that it's just more than one world per Ultra Beast or something similar.

as a lorefag, this thread is hyping me up too much

now I'll be disappointed when the games don't do any of what's been said so far

>>28347909
Well, there WAS an encounter with it that made it look like it was a wild Pokemon. That, and its body construction seems to pay a bit more homage to Eevee than it does Arceus.

>>28347968
Dude, enjoy the excitement while it lasts. These threads can only exist while there's hype to fuel them. So get hype. Whatever happens, it's gonna be HUGE.

>>28347720
IT ALL CUMS TOGETHER

>>28347971
Wasn't that an encounter with Gladion and him having it in his party?

>>28347909
>but it's description says that its Chimera body is meant to be able to adapt to any "environment"
While I appreciate your post, the Arceus-inspired helmet design is obvious. If anything, that description is hinting that it is going to be able to utilize the Arceus plates.

>>28346503
can someone please explain this to me? because I feel like this is grasping way harder than someone needs to. I've seen the book, and none of the symbols on it are even close to the S&M logos or the Zmove logo. Colress also has yellow eyes and not green.

>>28348025
Nope. Here it is, on its own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCTj-04gfMM

>>28348152
You didn't watch the JP trailer, did you?

>>28347968
get hyped even fucking more,

RETURNING CHARACTERS IS A POSSIBILITY NOW

>>28348152
watch the jp trailer, it has way more info

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR1ssSZfoGY

>>28348180
What difference would that have made? True, I did see Null under Gladion's command, but the fact that it appears by itself in the trailer I linked says that it's more than just one of Gladion's staples.

GUESS WHAT LEAK GOT CONFIRMED NIGGERS

>>28347767
>>28347767
>>28347767

>>28348350
Only two guesses on there were correct.

>>28348350
>Alolan relative of Oak in trailer
>THAT'S OAK, TOTALLY LEGIT, THE REST OF THE LEAK MUST BE TRUE TOO

Come on, mayne

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>Oak concentrates on Pokémon and human relationships as a profession.

Could his field of research be related to the story somehow or is he just chillin in Alola?


Also he might travel to Alola with Ash in the anime

GUYS GUYS GUYS

>>28348617
>>28348472

NOT A DRILL

>>28348704
I think it's just more likely that it isn't.

>>28348704
WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING

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>>28347053
The new, Extra Crispy Professor Oak

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uh guys,

also check the dates on this cap, this leak was before the trailer was released

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>>28348472
larger shot

>>28347560
I'm not the same anon but I think I'd like to elaborate on the idea. Type: Null may be an eevee that was experimented on and was forced to evolve with multiple different methods at the same time by the aether foundation. There's a theory stating that the 3 beasts of johto were originally eevee that died and were ressurected by Ho-Oh. Instead of them evolving into jolteon vaporeon and flareon, they essentially turned into mythical beasts. Type: Null could have been an attempt at recreating this using alchemy but the experiment obviously went wrong and it was insanely powerful. So the creators of Type: Null made a helmet made to hinder it's powers.

>>28348827
I definitely see blonde hair, and a few blue pixels above it.

Obviously it's impossible to tell for sure, but the prospect is very exciting.

>>28347497
What if the whole thing about Rockruff having a connection to the starters is because Type:Null is a Rockruff chimera fused with starters?

>>28348817
>>28348350

I'm not convinced it's actually Oak though. Not Samuel anyway. A relative instead.

That doesn't look like a "tan" at all. He looks properly Alolan. Different hair too.

So no, leaks not confirmed at all.

>>28348964
Well I mean, all things considered if you were someone who saw this trailer early, saw how he looked and saw his name you'd also assume it was Oak at first most likely and could possibly make that mistake in leaking it, I'd think.

That leak is super fake, but I could see that mistake happening.

>>28348817
FULL THREAD WHERE?

>>28348704
>gyms

>>28345224
Dexio and Sina confirm that it's only a few years afterwards, if that.

>>28349326
Worth checking out I think

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>Oak is in Alola studying Alolan forms
>his tan and mullet are HIS Alolan form

>>28345122
That kind of seal is also used to hold back both Palkia and Dialga. So that could be another thing to connect it

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>>28345082
Null is to Arceus as Mewtwo is to Mew. Or more like ditto if you believe that, since it's a failed version.

Some science asshole (namely the whatever foundation) saw a super powerful pokemon, thought "oh shit i should make one of those" and tried to do so by slapping every single type onto a home brewed pokefetus. Turns out everything just sort of canceled eachother out, though, and it turned into a regular ass normal type. Maybe it's unrelated to Arceus and someone just wanted to make an every-type 'mon.

What the fuck could there possibly be left to discuss?

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>>28349663
>people will be genuinely upset about this

>>28349732
You know arceus is also a normal type until he gets a plate, right?

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>>28349732
It could be a sort of parody of Pokemon fans.

Everyone complains about legendaries or whatever being over designed, so GF literally made an over designed Pokemon.

>>28349776
Yeah but i can't imagine this one would be able to change types like that. Arceus is sort of an every type since it CAN do that.

Plus it doesn't exactly look like they nailed it. It's more like an imperfect unrefined version.

>>28348444
he might travel to alola with ash's mom in the anime

>>28349821
We won't know until the helmet comes off, he seems like a real callback to armored mewtwo.

Pokemon/oras Xy is the B/W as S&M is the B/W2

noticed a patterns?

both pokemon XY and oras were shit and barely had focus.
it was confirmed that the engine was built alongside with XY so less time was spent fleshing out XY.

Even though pokemon ORAS was directed by ohmori, masuda still had a large hand in the project because masuda wanted to make the game easier while also removing the battle frontier.
Now ohmori has free reigns and has a different vision than masuda,
ohmuri wants to shake things up this generation with S&M and changed up the formula,

masuda on the otherhand wanted things to stay the same while also striking a balance in one of his interviews.

This isn't the case anymore with ohmori.


This is it niggers, masuda is the true villain all along.

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>>28350159
So he's the reason why we've been getting easier and easier games?

>>28349519
>Burnet just got canonized?
>tfw UB 01 comes from the Dreamscape

>>28349519
We're up to three confirmed Profs chilling in Alola. Add on the Faba scientist dude in Aether and now the Riddler's question about the number of professors makes sense. Wouldn't even be surprised by Sycamore and Colress just showing up.

>>28350212
Not the other guy, but I can answer this;

Yes, Masuda is literally the reason. He said in an interview that he makes the games "more accessible" to kids who grew up on "phone games".

For a bit more context, Masuda was heavily in charge of;

>R/S/E (and by extension, OR/AS)
>D/P
>B/W
>X/Y

Masuda was NOT a main creator of;

>Platinum
>HeartGold/SoulSilver
>B2W2

If it isn't obvious by now, I'll spell it out for you; The only games that ever had any kind of substantial challenge, and actual Post-Game content, are the ones that Masuda had no control over. (Emerald may be the only exception, because he got to polish his turd a bit)

Thank fuck S/M are his last games.

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>>28348928

>>28349519
>>28350264
Wasnt an anon in the first threads talking about how the aether fundation could be the one funding al the Proffesors?

>>28349804
>parody

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>>28347267
this is the one from the anime

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>>28350542

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>>28350542

>>28350542
>>28350567
>giratina is is in the 3rd ring, the original dragon is in the second

BTFO

>>28350590
Where, if at all, did Unova's lore cross into Sinnoh's?

>>28350294

>>28345348
Well Skyward Sword was the game released to celebrate Zelda's 25th anniversary, maybe SS has something to do with it?

>>28350634
giratina is paired with the behemoths and titans, the tao trio is closer to god

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also the bible looks something like this

>NPC in ORAS mentions that Archie and Maxie were once on the same team
>Same location where you learn about Project AZOTH

Were Archie and Maxie part of the Aether Foundation and used the research on Infinity Energy to form the plans for Kyogre and Groudon

Could the discovery of the Ultra Beasts have been the catalyst for the formation of Team Aqua and Team Magma?

>Archie would have disgusted by humanity tapping into an eldtrich abomination and decided that humanity needed to return to our primordial state before we destroyed the world
>Maxie would have been inspried by the discovery and left to form Team Magma, who belived that humanity was the verge of a new age,and needed to expand to fulfill our true potential

ItAllComesTogether.webm

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arceus in his personal universe

>>28350829
Still has a great ass, I see.

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>you gather all the plates and give them to a golden arceus
>upon doing so the true shape of his ring is revealed
>itcan'tbe.jpg

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pick related is leak of arceus' true form. the one he, similarly to giratina, takes on in his own personal dimension.

>>28347720
the thing that stands out to me about this image is that the Ultra Beast hole has that digital looking matrix supporting the tunnel with the cracks leaking out. It looks made, and artificial.

Whereas the portal that Lunalaa and Solgaleo are jumping into looks natural

>>28345781
>Mega Empleon,super army general
>Mega Infernape, powerful journy to the west based mon
>Mega Torterra, HUGE LAND TURTLE WITH A PLANET ON IT
>I'm moist

So Aether are pretty much the bad guys 100% for sure, right? It's been explicitly stated that Skull are simply hooligans running around doing silly shit, so why would an organization like Aether need an entire fucking artificial island to combat the antics of a wild crazy ragtag group of rebels unless they were up to some super sneaky shit?

>>28350542
Call me stupid, but where's Hooh? I can't find him.

>>28346241
I hate how much i enjoy their videos. They feel like they should be crazy/cringey/uninformed but I just like it.

I watched the Jarjar binks video when that was relevant and I was hypnotized by the fuckers purple eyes.

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>>28351183
ho-oh being important for te lore of the universe

>>28346184
I'm not going to bother with these, but Youtube does have a 2x speed option if you need it.

>>28348812
topkek

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>>28351243
Silver > Gold confirmed.

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UHH GUYS

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Data Colress got on Genesect and the Kyurem forms during his time as a Plasma member contributed to Type: Null's creation.

DNA Splicer data helped them figure out how to create their own chimera.

Techno Blast and Drive data served as the basis for mimicking Arceus.

It probably isn't a coincidence that Ghetsis had the Sinnoh trio's orbs. Same for the orbs being present around Zygarde in Terminus Cave.

>>28351302
PROFESSOR BURNETTE?

>IT ALL COMES TOGETHER

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>>28351343

Expanding on this.

>Colress: "I was asked by an acquaintance to help with his research."

Of course Colress and Ghetsis were acquaintances before Neo Plasma. They were both part of the Aether Foundation. Where do you think Ghetsis got that whole fake liberation scheme from?

>>28351498
It also adds credence to colress returning because pokemon rader can only interact with B/W2 when it comes to pokemon.

>>28351343
>>28351515
>yfw Type: Null is compatible with the Gene Drives, Arceus Plates, and can DNA Splice to fuse with another Pokémon

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In the original RSE, the meteor carrying Deoxys landed eons earlier than the one that threatens everyone in ORAS, creating Birth Island. Over time, the virus mutates into Deoxys, due to it's proximity near Pokemon.

In ORAS however, the meteor is blasted by the energy beam fired by King AZ. Due to the Ultimate Weapon being being powered by the souls of dead Pokemon (Or Infinte Energy if you will), the virus now mutates on the meteor, and by the time it reaches Earth it has become Deoxys.

This beam of energy also has the side effect of slowing the speed of the meteor, hence why it arrives so much later in ORAS than in RSE

>all these lore bombs
>two in a row

lorefags are shitting themselves,

me included

>>28351581
>Deoxys landed eons earlier than the one that threatens everyone in ORAS
Where was that ever said? How do we know Deoxys landing wasn't a recent thing? How do we know it wasn't simultaneous/identical to the one in OR/AS? Only in R/S/E, obviously, no MegaRay to stop it landing.

>>28351243
kek

>>28347053
His first name is "Nariya"

this and watching the first part of that Lockstin vid...My mind is fucked right now

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>>28345082
pic related tbphwy famfetchd

>>28345153
Colress's book and Looker/Colress is XY is S T R E T C H I N G

arguably the RGBY/Aether thing too

>>28351838
Then is Dr. brunet also being sun and moon a stretch?>>28351302

Im fully on board because pokemon dream rader is related to B/W 2 in some form

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>>28351911
Also the katakana is バーネット (Banetto) and the Kanji at the end is 博士 (Hakase).

The new trailer just shows katakana

>>28351617
because if it did, there would be no humans in the game

need I remind you that the meteor in ORAS was bigger than the one that wiped out the dinosaurs?

>>28351648
>>28351648
>>28351648

NEW INFO CONFIRMED FOR THE 14TH

>>28345082
I LOVE THESE THREADS

>>28345934
>post yfw aether is the illuminati of this world

>>28345153
Colress in lumiose needs to be deleted it was ultimately nothing.

I've seen a lot that Zygarde is supposed to the 'duo master' with Solgaleo and Lunaala as well, but how does Marshadow (if it turns out real) fit into the equation?

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>>28352595
Fixed it

>>28352626
>>28352595
Except for the fact that Looker was explicitly there in Kalos, and an NPC confirms Colress was there too?

Colress may not have made it into the final cut of the game, but that IS something, and he was canonically there.

It's not the biggest thing in the world, but it is still relevant. It's the most recent time we have "seen" him.

>>28352597
Marshadow is just a mythical pokemon, Zygarde is the master with Solgaleo and Lunala in Alola, and master with Xerneas and Yveltal in Kalos

>>28346777
Pls no not new Absol

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>someone that looks like Prof. Oak
It all comes together!

>>28352697
He said a few years ago anon. Not just recently. What about blue than? He was there in kalos. The chinese leak says he'll be in alola.

>>28347267
Only problem I have with this is that Mewtwo shouldn't really be there being manmade

Does anyone have the pic of the guy in Gen3 that talks about dreaming pokemon?

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>>28346446
>Corpus just has a cube to represent it, and the "arrow" that contains the symbol is pointing down
>cube

>>28353664
That's a connection if I've ever seen one, but to officially call a tetradecagon (14-sided polygon) a cube is somewhat of a stretch.

>>28351515
>ghetsis was a former aether employee

holy

Guys there is something bothering me about team skull and I need your clafrifications towards my thoughts.

First, Team Skull does not look like bad guys to me since they look a lot like those roughneck hooligans. Moreover, they don't seem to have a proper organized hierarchy in their institution, like having a R&D department and etc which are commonly seen in the previous gens. With that said, I came up with two possibilities,

1) Team Skull will hijack Aether Foundation and using their technological expertise and facilities to achieve whatever they are plotting since team skull does not have the required logistics to do so.

OR

2) Aether Foundation will be the final boss or final confrontation of the game. Mind you that the final boss I meant here was that Aether Foundation itself is the embodiment of what Colress is trying to achieve. Therefore as their research goes on, things either went south or went into their favour that could pose threat to the world and the lead protagonist had to stop it. Why I said so because Corless for example may be part of Team Plasma but he has its own ideals and goals to achieve unlike Ghetsis who is outright evil.

Why I say it must be Aether Foundation is due to the fact that team skull does not look like an actual big bad organization that could pose threat to the world. I really hope that there will be a plot twist in pokemon's story where Lusamine is the final enemy in game itself

Guys I think I found it. The deepest lore to end all lores.
AZOTH was to research Ininifty Energy
Led to the creation of Aether
Utilizing the Energy a new dimension was found
Ultra Beasts came to olthe world, but not as intended
The sun and moon are really gateways to the UB dimension
Infinity Energy is seeping from there through the portals of the celestial bodies
Solgaleo and Lunala are the emmisaries of them, in other words the protectors of the portal

The story ofntheniltra beast is in actuality an explanation for infinity energy, the creation of the universe, and how the sun and moon are so important to the planet

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3 gold diamonds. Middle one is elongated on the top. Aether Foundation logo=Kyurem' eyes and head gem. Fucking lore man.

>>28345934
Also, remember that from gen IV on, there was a weird scientist, associated with the evil team, who was definitely a one off character who seemed out of place, and was using the evil team's funds for a personal project of sorts. They don't even seem to care whether or not the team actually succeeds.

Charon in Platinum, Colress in BW2, and Xerosic in XY. Charon always struck me as particularly out of place. Why did they even hype him if you didn't battle him? Why did they add him even if he contributed nothing to the story? He didn't even care about Galactic's goals.

>>28346888
I typed this out at the tail end of an earlier lore thread. If you're still their thanks for screencapping.


Mallow is a pretty large plant family which most notably encompasses the hibiscus family in Hawaii. Also one endemic cotton. She's also apparently wearing a hibiscus in her hair. The flower is pretty generic, so I say apparently.

Note, Hawaii has the only naturally fragrant species of Hibiscus. Also the only naturally yellow species of Hibiscus. The yellow one being the state flower.

Kiawe is named after the introduced Kiawe trees. They make excellent firewood/ grilling wood, and they can grow in locations that are too dry for other trees by absorbing all of the water in the ground. This conversely gets rid of competing trees.

Sophocles and Lana seem to be their own thing.


Also, if you ever plan a vacation here, don't wear a plumeria in your hair. The milky sap is an irritant that will burn your eyes or mouth. Don't be a dumb tourist.

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Any Hawaii questions in general?

>>28345082
>pokemon lore general

What is there to discuss anymore, honestly?

The lore is a clusterfuck now. Thematically there is no consistency. There are contradictions here and there because the animu writing and edgelord one-upping of legendaries.

There's no point posting theories. What you should realize is that the team putting these games together now don't care about consistency and lore. They just insert whatever cringe ideas they have all taking the franchise in multiple different directions.

>>28346446
>Corpus just has a cube to represent it
>>28346472
>Zygarde Cube

OH SHIT

>>28351105
Digimon crossover confirmed?

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>>28345153
Colress denied?

>>28355552
Totally a different version

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It took me some searching, but I figured out the plant Nariya Oak is based off of.
Nariya is native to Okinawa in Japan, its found elsewhere, but Nariya is only called Nariya in Okinawa, hence the katakana instead of hiragana. Notably, it can be found being cultivated in Hawaii under the name Arundina graminifolia or Peacock Orchids for use as a decorative plant.

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Funnily enough, I just bought a couple of cuttings a month ago. The gardening store had a couple of cuttings in those sealed plastic plant bags that the we sell to tourists and I couldn't resist.

>>28355552
Not the same person though

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>>28356000
And I meant bamboo orchids.

Who created mewtwo again?

>>28347618

But also derives from the Greek for Star, which ties into the end of the Delta Episode.

bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq742Ip5Tbo

>>28345224
XY happen some time after what happened in Unova since an npc mentions Team Plasma was in the news a while back, not recently but a while back.

>>28358659
Yeah, Team Plasma in "WHITE" Uniforms.

Remember, those guys disbanded, and were replaced by the Black Uniformed Neo-Plasma 2 years later in B2/W2.

So when the NPC mentions Team Plasma in white uniforms being around a while ago, he is of course referring to when they were at large 2 years ago, during the original B/W.

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>>28358610
HOLY SHIT
CYRUS IS PERSIAN FOR SUN

IT ALL
COMES
TOGETHER

>>28350757
this post

am I the only one thinking sun and moon happen at the same time as kanto, or shortly after?sort of like a prequel, where they're the ones who give the professors the motive for their research areas

also the return to a young boy protagonist

>>28354325
imo its more likely the second option, people are even hoping TS actually helps you take down the Aether foundation if that situation was what would happen

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>>28345224
This is the correct timeline (sans S/M). Also those games don't necessarily follow linearly from one another in the timeline you posted, that's why the third/definitive versions are used as representatives of the games in the correct timeline.

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>alchemic symbol for gold
>magearna folds up into a ball
>shiny magearna is gold
???

>>28359867
since you interpretate it that way w/e

>>28358694
Except he doesn't say anything about white uniforms, he just says Team Plasma, and there are two of them.

>>28359867
>Crystal over HG/SS
>Yellow over FR/LG
>X removed from the timeline even though we know for a fact where it is
>X before OR/AS for some reason
You should just leave this thread. You managed to get just about everything wrong that you possibly could.

I have a theory that what we know about the timeline is completely wrong due to time paradoxes, and Gamefreak has been doing it intentionally. Soon we will discover this, and people like Looker are agents of time and space, like The Doctor from Doctor Who.

The real timeline goes like this:
>1st gen, 3rd gen, and 6th gen all happen at once
>2nd gen, 4th gen, and 7th gen all happen at once
>5th
>5th 2

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>>28360018

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>>28360079
Coincidence or inspiration?

>>28360096
I HAVE heard a lot of comparisons between the two ever since Looker was introduced in DPPt, so this isn't too new. But I'm still curious: who was introduced first?

>>28360209
Doctor Who has existed since 1963 but David Tennant (the guy who plays that specific incarnation) portrayed The Doctor from 2005 to 2010, so the timeline fits.

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>>28360096
Huge coincidence. Looker was inspired by the private dicks in old-school pulp magazines and noir movies.

>>28355286
>Thematically there is no consistency
ALCHEMY
>animu
FUCK THE ANIME
>no point posting theories
A HELL OF A LOT MORE FUN AND INTERESTING THAN "pokemon go blogpost general!!!!!!! I saw a pidgey!!!!! wow!!!!!!!" THREADS

>>28359887
Solgaleo will do something with Magearna????

>>28355286
>There's no point posting theories

then you like the shit threads in this board or the thicc posters?

I'm a lot more interested in this "Azoth" business. According to Wikipedia, Azoth is essentially Mercury, or a component thereof, anyway, which was said to be the purest catalyst of alchemical transmutation. Also to note is that Mercury makes up one third of a very significant trio in alchemy, with the other members being salt and sulfur, the alchemical symbols for which Alola's starters resemble in appearance.

Main point: Game Freak has been planning these games since before X and Y.

how strong is hoope lorewise? in the movie it fucked up things to the point where only arceus could fix them and it summons legendaries like it's nothing

>>28360999
trips confirm

>>28352925
why did they give him a mullet of all things

>>28355286
Honest question; why do you come to this board?

>>28354839
>the original dragon is a UB
>when its parts a split they become pokemon like Type: Null

>>28360018
XY references Blue having been to Kalos on a research trip, so they cannot have taken place at the same time as the Kanto/Hoenn games.

>>28355552
Not the same NPC, and the Sudowoodo is gone too.

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>>28355552

Different npc also what >>28363897 said

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>>28356000
That's cool and all, but do you know why he's called Samson in English?

Pic related is called Black Samson.

>>28360999
I mean we already knew that, but it's nice seeing more people figuring this out.

>>28364341
>Black Samson
[Insert racist joke here]

>>28364341
In the language of flowers, Echinacea means strength or immunity. Samson had super strength and near invulnerability so long as his hair was never cut. It fits.

>>28364823
Makes sense why Samson Oak has long hair then.

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Anon from >>28360999

So I did a bit more digging into the mythos surrounding Azoth, and it's not exactly the -chemical- Mercury, although they are linked in more ways than one. A better description of the Azoth is the very driving force -- the "spiritus animatis," as Wikipedia puts it -- of humanity that drives it to attain physical and spiritual perfection. Not only this, the Azoth seems to also have a physical incarnation as the "Elixir of Life" or "The Universal Solvent," and was known as the cure for any mental, spiritual, or physical ailment. Essentially, it's liquid perfection.

Another thing I find interesting is that Azoth's name was constructed from the first and last letters of the Latin, Greek, and Hebrew alphabets, in that order: A/Alpha/Aleph, Z, Omega, and Tau.

Beginning and End. AZ Alpha and Omega. Day and Night.

This is going to be the biggest generation yet.

>>28365160
Have you been living under a rock for the past 2 months? We've known this for a veeeeery long time.

Hey guys...what if...EVERY FORMER VILLAIN WAS/IS AN EITHER EMPLOYEE!?!?!?

>tfw it would actually all make sense.

>>28365257
There weren't a lot of quality Lore threads up before the last infodump with the Aether Foundation, and many people discredited Sun and Moon's links with alchemy during that time. Now that the link has been more or less firmly established, I'd thought I'd contribute some information that I hadn't seen in the thread thus far.

>>28365375
It would certainly make it "all come together" if that's what they're going for.

>>28359867

How do you explain Mr Bonding with that timeline? He would have to separate into the Mauville Men and be reformed again by that timeline.

>>28365384
We should make the OP of the next thread fill-in everybody on the Azoth connection we've found this far. It's a lot, but at least people will be up-to-date then.

>>28365479
Don't even bother asking. That timeline is utter shit.

>>28346536
>having an X and a Y chromosome makes you intersex

Sure.

>>28365479
>>28365520
Christ I forgot about Mr. Bonding. What the fuck was all of the things associated with him.

>>28365509
Good thinking. Hate to shill, but I also made a list of connections between Gen VI and VII, as well as some stuff within SM:>>28345379
Maybe that could help?

>>28365520
The whole timeline concept is bullshit.
Too much autism from an offhand comment.
>it's like real life string theory

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>>28365520
>>28365762

it's all coming together, the fucking timelines are based off the string theory

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Gladion it`s not part of Team Skull, he's only taking their side. He even has any symbol of them. And it's obvious that Gladion, Lillie and Lusamine are related.

And AEther are not what they seems to be. You feel it in your bones.

But where is Type: Null from? Team Skull is made of dumb grunts and they can't make such a thing.

So, here I go (It not a big thing): Maybe Gladion was gifted or steal T:N from AEther (I can see you Faba), because it's part of AEther plan or Gladion don't like what AEther are doing.

OR maybe Faba is the bad Guy. It's working on it's own and Lusamine doens't know it. He gave Y:N to Gladion, Lusamine little brother to hunt something that can break the worl or whatever.

Pic related: AEther logo seems to be the family crest of the blondies, AND fits with T:N mask.

so are Lillie, Lusamine and Gladion related in some way?
I assumed that Lusamine just went 'Ragyo' and experimented on her own daughter/sister

>>28363852
Maybe after the events of GSC/HGSS

And even then the originals and remakes are alternate universes.

Hell every playthrough is a different/alternate universe.

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>>28364823
It all cums together...

>>28366484
>Hell every playthrough is a different/alternate universe.
Yes but the timeline is always the same.

>>28366360

This makes sense, also this post here>>28346888 should add more credence to it

>>28366666

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>>28346192
Now where have I seen this before...

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>>28367643
isn't that from the movi-

oh god it's all coming together

>>28360675
oh god....rule34 when?

thread is dead?

>>28366360
top part of the symbol is literally kyurem with the eyes onside and the middle diamond is his horn thingy

>>28369041
Not quite yet. But it might be a good idea to make a new one anyway.

new thread?

working on it.

>>28370915
>>28371057
Here's the new thread.
>>28371107

>>28369093
Wouldn't this further the Colress idea?

>>28346293
that description could go for the video and this entire board