/pmdg/ - Pokémon Mystery Dungeon General

>>27480073
If there's ever a new installment to the PMD series, how do you think they will implement the literally fanfic tier alolan forms and whatnot?

>>27480415
Probably similarly to how Pokémon like Leafeon and Glaceon are handled; there will be an obtainable item said to be "from a distant land" that gets used up like an evolution item.

>>27480415
I'd assume it'd be like Gastrodon forms and such. Considered the same Pokemon, but you find them in different places. For example, regular Ninetales are in Treeshroud Forest, while Alolan Ninetales would be found in Blizzard Island.

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>>27480415
For puns? Probably, Klefki and Hawlucha exists as a testament to that. Otherwise they have enough good new Pokémon to work with.

I'm om sheer mountain range (I just ran from home) and I keep getting lag spikes... is this normal

>>27481741
I don't remember getting any, but it's also been months since I last played super.
how bad are they? What 3ds are you using?

>>27482022
They're not too bad... the games just gets a bit slower every five or so steps. it's really annoying, though. I'm using a 3ds xl

bump, god damn the boards fast today

>ampharos is the expedition society leader
Okay, what the fuck

Would I need to hack my 3DS if I wanted custom starters on cartridge?

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>>27485180
And I wouldn't have it any other way.

>>27485367
Probably, but i don't think it's ready for smd

>>27485367
For Sky or Super? You can't do custom starters in Super yet, but for Sky you'd need homebrew/CFW installed but it's doable. You'd have to start a game on the emulator using custom starters, then use FBI to import your .sav to your cart.
https://gbatemp.net/threads/release-fbi-open-source-cia-installer.386433/page-139#post-6417614
It's probably better to stick with doing it on an emulator, since you'd have to start on it anyway to transfer them over, and you'd also be able to use custom portraits for your mons if they ever get made.

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After some experimenting, I think I got a nice palette for Alolan Vulpix; it borrows mostly from Absol and a little bit from Wynaut and Swablu.
Because Alolan Vulpix is mostly white, it has 2 colors less than normal Vulpix (without the BG, Vulpix's portrait uses about 12-13 colors).

What do you guys think?

>>27486029
Looks alright to me.

>>27486029
It seems fine. Most of the blues are going to be used on the eyes rather than the hair/fur, right?

>>27486029
What are you making these portraits for? Is someone hacking mons into the game?

>>27486029
It looks very cute.

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>decide to try a randomized run
>chimchar started out with only recover and milk drink
>has forecast and air lock as abilities

>>27487068
>randomized run
Is this something you can do in Sky Editor?

>>27487121
Haven't used that, but I randomized using https://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?47337-mdrngzer-A-Pokemon-Mystery-Dungeon-Randomizer

>>27486340
Alolan Vulpix does have some blue on the tail and tuff on its head though. Once I edit it, it'll be more apparent if all those blues are necessary or not.

>>27486365
You can hack in new portraits for Sky using the editor in the OP, provided you label them accordingly and have them indexed at 16 colors (custom portraits for a male Wooper and Mareep duo have been made by me that are usable).
As for new mons (gen 5-7), that's not quite possible yet since they'd need an entirely new file of portraits, sprites, and data.

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>>27487068
>trying out more combinations
>eevee still has run away
>starts with thunderbolt and giga drain
>keeps getting more good moves

>>27485742
Doesn't the TWL save tool app also work for DS games?

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>>27488225
Only for Time/Darkness, for some reason TWL messes up Sky and corrupts your save, which is why you'd need to use FBI instead.

>about to train earth power on thrash dungeon but suddenly realize there are fletchlings
How do I train Earth Power?

>>27489272
use gravity my man

>>27489382
Gravity only lasts for a little bit, though.

Is accuracy more important than evasion?

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>>27485742
>>27488300
So hold on, has it been tested? Steveice didn't confirm it there.

>>27486029
It's not exactly just a recolor though, you also need to change some of its fur.

>>27491079
lol

>>27490988
Yeah, I've been able to import my Poochyena/Jigglypuff save over to a Sky cartridge with no problem, seen here >>27488300
It would still be a good idea to backup your old save before doing it if you have one, in case anything goes wrong. You can also get custom starters another way by exporting your cartridge save, use Sky Editor's save edit function to change the moveset/species of your duo, update the history tab to your new choices so they show up correctly in the special episodes, then import the save once you're done with that.

>>27492194
Good to know. I'll play Sky again with custom starters one day.
I'm sad I can't run mods on my DS though, I want a DS flashcard ;_;

>>27492111
>two of the statues are Lucario and Weavile

>>27492279
>they got turned to stone
>they were just left there as statues

>>27490988
I know, but I have to know what the palette is before I attempt to draw the fur on its head and how to go about shading that.

>>27492807
CGA.

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Thinking of playing sky for the first time, I played time when it released and wanted to replay it. What are the major differences in sky to time and darkness other tthenthe special episodes? Also I remember time having some pretty good difficult spikes, am I remembering correctly or was I just a dumnass? Planing on going as cyndaquil as hero and piplup as partner, that was my team for time and I can't think of the characters as other pokemon.

Thanks.

Does anyone have any mystery dungeon fan art of that team by chance? Never seen any.

>>27494003
>What are the major differences in sky to time and darkness other tthenthe special episodes?
New items, new dungeons, new music, Shaymin, some new story content, new features, some gameplay improvements.

>Also I remember time having some pretty good difficult spikes, am I remembering correctly or was I just a dumnass?
the latter, just like in any pokemon game ever

>>27494003
More mission types, a few extra dungeons, new starters, and two new shops, the Drink Bar which lets you use Gummis (along with other food items) to raise stats, and the Recycle Shop, a shop that lets you trade in items for other items and lets you use lottery tickets to get better items like TMs. Zero Isle still exists, but there's now a dungeon even harder than ZIS called Destiny Tower.
The special episodes are probably the biggest change though.

>>27494003
Sky has a fairly decent difficulty curve, it introduces you to stuff slowly and it never reaches extreme difficulty, but it's probably the best, most rounded curve out of the four games. You start off fighting shitmons, slowly get introduced to mons with statuses, item-eating moves or resistances, trap tiles are introduced around the midpoint, etc etc. People don't seem to give it enough credit, though that may simply be because it's good enough to not be noticed unless you're actually looking for it.

>>27494192
Don't forget Zero Island Center.

>>27494529
>pokemon keep levels
>you keep items

Big deal, Zero Isle Center doesn't know about my balloon

So, what do you think about the Meowth dungeons?

>>27495501
Was once close to beating the 99F one on my first go. I died on floor 80 instantly to fucking Ember. There was nothing I could do to prevent it.

>>27495501
never touched them

>>27495560
Why?

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>>27492345
But then that begs the question: Who turned them to stone?

I have my own guess as to who it was.

>>27496083
it's not like you get anything

>>27496667
That goes for a lot of stuff

>>27485180
Please respect the chief

>>27485180
I know, right? It's a miracle that the Society even functions.

>>27498074
>functions

>>27498113
>main leader of an exploration team composed of children
>can't even tell left from right
>OK

>>27496090
They're remnants of the last time Dark Matter went haywire and Mew+you kicked his ass

The message which tells you how to get out of the Voidlands was left by them. Even Hell couldn't make them stop their exploration.

>>27496090
how can she turn them into stone if she's dead?
the canon ending is that she got better then was defeated by Eevee as a Sylveon and that they were there to witness it

Is it worth picking up Gates to Infinity and SMD? I haven't played PMD since 2008, not sure if I should just get the latest one

>>27498933
shit I forgot
just make it another parallel universe where she won using BitterMatter or something

>>27499198
SMD most definitely, it greatly improved the gameplay and has the best music.
Gates has good characters and Paradise is kind of fun but not a whole lot else going for it.

>>27499198
>Gates to Infinity
Only if you care about the story and don't mind having an inferior gameplay.

>Super
Yes.

>>27498296
>Significantly stronger than several legendaries
>Responsible and calm unlike that manchild Wigglytuff
>Close relationship with other beasts such as Mawile and fucking Jirachi

Although come to think of it, Jirachi always seemed distant form the rest. You don't think he came there from the Star Cave one day going "yo give me a telescope and I'll fix your shit whenever it breaks"

>>27499353
Well Ampharos has tons more style than Wiggs, I'll give him that.

>Jirachi
Probably. Bet he just used his legendary status to get the whole second floor to himself.

Do the player and partner ever take breaks in Super?

>>27500810
No, they're safe.

>>27500184
>Other guild members trying to sneak wishes onto him while he's sleeping
>All of the notes say "Wake the fuck up you lazy bastard"

>>27500810
No. They never take breaks. Ever

>>27500810
that's something for you to decide, anon

>>27499250
well, it already works in our two parallel universes we have already
the fucked up future where she's the dictator of everything but still loses in the end
we never see those two in that timeline, so they were probably turned to stone

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What partner do you recommend with Chespin in SMD?
I wanna pick a Froakie named Asuka but, it's mostly for a joke.

>>27504419
go for it

>>27504419
If the name is all that's making you doubt yourself, you can change their name from the main menu.

>>27504419
You can rename yourself in Super if you ever regret calling your Froakie Asuka

>>27504638
>>27504653
It's more about picking the wrong partner than picking the wrong name.

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>"Is it... a big win?"
"That's right!"

>"I must congratulate you. Here's your prize!"
>Obtained the Link Box!

>>27504419
Chespin is broken so anything works with him

What kind of item would you like to see in PMD?

>>27505947
>it's a Link Box is the special offer so you have to waste 12 berries to get rid of it or wait forever until something good appears episode
>it's a Patsy Band appears as the offer episode

So what's the lore behind Blizzard Island's music?

>>27507775
Incense. 'cause then we get breeding.

>>27509244
Bunch of remixes from RT, right?

>>27509261
>Bunch of remixes from RT, right?
Yeah. It doesn't seem to have any relation to those games unless I'm missing something.

>>27509426
Well, no. But it's not like half the levels in Super are connected to Ragged Mountain or Stony Caves either.

r8 from most to least favorite appearance in the series

Mew
Shiny Celebi
Jirachi
Manaphy
Victini

>>27509701
Jirachi
Manaphy
Mew
Victini
Shiny Celebi

>>27509701
Jirachi
Shiny Celebi
Mew
Victini
Manaphy


Those Blue Gummis are for me and me alone.

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>>27510168
>hating your son

>>27510263
fucker's stealing my gains

TIL: if you're affected by a Blinker Seed in Explorers, just hover over a teammate's equipped item or view their status in the Team menu to clear your view.

>>27510442
>tfw the hero gets blinded and blindsided by an enemy and the partner has to lead them by the hand through the rest of the floor Ico-style
colon three

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R8 my team. I wanted to use starters you cant use in Super.

>>27510552
>eevee

At least it's your lead, but you're kind of forced to evolve.

>>27510600
Why?

>>27510619
Unlike every other starter not named Phanpy and Mudkip you're not going to be learning much for coverage. At least you have Wide Slash and super strong Normal moves.

>>27510654
Oh yeah, I forgot coverage is a lot more important in most MD games. Ill give it shot anyway.

>>27510724
Wide Slash and Bite are good enough for the story. Besides, Vulpix is probably one of the best partners.

>>27510552
foxes are CUTE!

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>>27510816
there are cuter things to have on your team.

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>>27510848

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>>27510848
How can he be cute when I can't even hold hands with him

>>27510552
Team Lesbians

>>27511680
Yes.

This actually was a factor in my decision.

>>27511891
And Pixiv agrees with you.

Why did they need to call upon humans from another world in the other three PMD games? Explorers' protagonist makes it clear that there are humans living in the PMD universe too, so couldn't they just use those guys to fight the enemy or whatever?

>>27513106
Don't you think that Pokemon and humans would be surviving together if that were the case? Instead they seem to be totally separated with the exception of Grovyle and the player. Not a single human to be found.

>>27512259
Does it? Searching Mystery Dungeon doesn't really turn up anything for me.

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Any tips on movesets if I intend to take these two into the post-game? Preferably without evolving.

>>27515216
With Eevee there's not much outside Tackle/Wide Slash/Bite/Flail. You could replace Tackle or Flail with Helping Hand to buff up Vulpix, and I'm not sure how Trump Card works in PMD. From my experience, Flail seemed to deal more damage than Tackle. Either way, it's a decent enough moveset I guess, at least you're not Phanpy.

Vulpix is easy. Ember/Flamethrower/Extrasensory/Dark Pulse. I'd recommend having Imprison during the story, because it's basically Explorer's version of Attract.


I know I kind of shit on Eevee's moveset earlier, but if you're dedicated enough, the moveset I gave is good enough.

>>27515216
Also, Vulpix belongs to a great IQ group.

I just got to the part in Explorers of Time where Grovyle reveals himself as your old partner and out of curiosity is it popular to ship him with the player? or even a love triangle involving your partner?
maybe I'm the only degenerate who sees it

>>27509244
>>27509426
>>27509497
It kind of does. In Explorers you're an Exploration Team, if you ignore randomly generated missions you don't do rescue missions much, which was what Rescue Team focused on. You go to Blizzard Island to rescue Scizor, so that's where the music comes from.

What starters you guys use in EoT/D/S?
Skitty/Vulpix duo a best.

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>>27516700
Wooper/Mareep. So what if the game doesn't normally let me use those as starters? That's what the save editor is for.

>>27516784
How come you're lucky enough to have fanart of your custom team?

>>27516837
I just happened to find it is all.

>>27516184
A lot of people like to cast it as a previous relationship before you got totally fucked up and lost your memories and everything.

>>27516184
No. He already has a lover. Dusknoir

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>>27516700
Cyndaquil as the hero and piplup as the partner. I can't think of the characters as anything but those two, I feel like it just fits good.
>tfw no fanart of your team
Fuck
>>27516784
Cute party and nice choices, I like both of those pokemon a lot.
>>27516184
>>27517070
>>27517331
Hero was a human and grovyle was always a pokemon, there would be no fucking romance between them.

>>27516700
Eevee and Vulpix
Snivy and Fennekin
Shiren and Koppa

>>27516700
Charmander/Totodile for best reptiles.

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>>27516700

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>>27517968

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But apart from Pikachu they're all so hideous. How can I choose?

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>>27518110
There is literally nothing wrong.

>>27518483
Call Snivy hideous again you mong, see what happens.

>>27518483
>oshawott
>snivy
>axew
>even tepig
>ugly

I mean if you evolved Tepig i could see that but you shouldn't be evolving in pmd anyways

>>27518567
I like Snivy but it doesn't work when he's always smiling.

>>27518585
oshawott and axew look like they have a mental disability. Tepig almost looks OK if it weren't literally a fat fucking pig

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>>27518810
Do not bully Oshawott

>>27518810
He's not always smiling. In fact I would say that he rarely smiles.

Unless you're talking about using him as a partner. He's more MC material as far as personality goes.

>>27518892
Too bad he can't fight. Though I suppose I need a Hard mode after Super.

>>27518921
>gets Growth which ups both offensive stats
>can't fight

That reminds me, in the Japanese version of Gates you got to pick your gender. Did that make Pikachu's tail heart-shaped? Because if so, they totally removed a major feature for literally no reason.

>>27518921
His only problem really is his defenses. Which is admittedly a pretty big problem. People bitch about his moveset too but it's just not as big of a deal in Super due to leveling moves and Not Very Effective being less of a game changer.

He fits really well as the main character.

Guys

Super Mystery Dungeon

Tepig or Turtwig as a starter?

Tepig seems more fun with TMs to round him out and Flamethrower from the very beginning, but then I can't have Fennekin as a partner

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>>27480073
I hear I can be a cute Pokemon in these games. Is this true?

>>27519681
Turtwig for that special doggo.
Funnelcake a best.

>>27519690
Yes

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Remember that time Mew accidentally turned Ash into stone? And they brought him back to normal with tears? Which they then perhaps maybe pooled into a spring?

>>27519739
Why can't I be an Eevee in SMD though? Does that mean I should get Sky?

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>>27519690
Yes. You can have a cute partner too.

Goddamn Dugtrio ruining my shot.

>>27519776
I prefer to be the Vulpix myself, but I've always liked Eevee and Vulpix teams.

>>27519764
Yeah, get Sky. Its on Wii U if you don't want to hunt an old DS copy down.

Some would argue it's the better game, barring certain conveniences. It certainly has more content.

>>27519764
I don't know, maybe they thought there were enough choices with all the starters, or couldn't fit them all into the personality quiz they had designed or something.
You should get sky anyway, if you can. It's considered one of the best in the series. Eevee is an option in rescue team too, which I think is also worth playing.

Imagine how this will be now. There are 21 starters from the Grass/Fire/Water crew alone. I'd like alternatives, too, but this is large enough to be a fighting game roster by now.

>>27519796
>>27519839
I'm kinda sick of the trio of starters to be honest. It doesn't help that I barely like any of them.

>>27518939
>Because if so, they totally removed a major feature for literally no reason.
Yes, and the same goes for the european version of Super, and for the same reason. They didn't want to make 2 different scripts with gender-specific dialogues.

>That reminds me, in the Japanese version of Gates you got to pick your gender. Did that make Pikachu's tail heart-shaped?
Yes, that's the case. If I remember correctly GtI does use male pronouns when referring to the partner in English. I wouldn't really define it "major", but it's still kind of annoying. The worst thing is that the animated trailers showed i, anyway. I'm sure people wouldn't have complained as much if that wasn't the case.

By the way, if you want you can edit the script manually, you just need to change something like "if boy = female" and that's it. I don't remember what it looks like exactly and I don't want to check, but it's easy if you have a modded 3DS. I'm actually planning to replay Gates to Infinity with a heart-shaped male Pikachu partner one day, just because they didn't want me to.

I like a few of them, but there are indeed too many of them. So many, that I can't balance it out with a full list of alternatives from each type. Or even to give non-starter alternatives from the three types of the starters. (though this is mostly because the starters are mostly the only things I like from Grass)

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>>27519690
yes

>>27519839
That's also only 5 types, 2 of which are slapped on once onto a grass type. What's wrong with having more choice? Hopefully the next game just does away with the roster shit and lets you pick any old unevolved mon

>>27519979
Is that implying it has to be a pokemon that evolves? I don't think they'd give too many of the pokes that don't evolve at all, they're designed to be powerful right from the get go.

Bring back: Vulpix, Shinx, Axew

Add from Go: Growlithe, Wooper

Include: Zorua, Goomy,

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Anyone know why my stats are always red?

Also, are blast seeds even worth using in Sky? It barely seemed to do more than a regular attack.

>>27511038
Tell that to Wooper.

>>27520032
I think them being red means they are boosted by a held item.

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>>27519788
I dunno. If I decided to be Vulpix I bet Id barely get see any of her adorable portraits

>>27520032
>Red Bow
That's your answer

>>27487068
You better inject it with shitton of Gummis.

I get a huge Dragon Quest/Warrior vibe while playing Sky (first game I've played). Is this normal?

If so, I feel like a retard for dismissing these games as some rip-off cash-grab 10 years ago

>>27480500
Leafeon and Glaceon items are normal.

It's Nosepass and Magneton item that it said to be from 'place nobody heard about'

>>27519999
notable exceptions i'm thinking of

>all bugs that turn into cocoons. Swadloon does not count as a cocoon
>magikarp and feebas, not that anyone would want to play through a game with no moves

Everything else that can evolve should be fair game unless i missed something.

>>27520032
The color bow you start with ups all stats by 1 point. It's honestly not good, just store it away for something else.

>>27520182
Well, Chunsoft also developed the first 4 Dragon Quest games.

How is the newest MD? Can you actually evolve during the story?

I bought it when it came out after loving Explorers of Sky, but I've yet to play through it.

>>27520275
>How is the newest MD?
Great.

>Can you actually evolve during the story?
Kind of, but you shouldn't. Don't do it.

>>27520275
It's pretty great, and no. You cant evolve during the story.

The beginning is very slice-of-life-y. I personally think that's a good thing, but a lot of people find it slow. The partner AI is better, and being able to use all your moves by just holding L is awesome.

>>27520275
I don't like SMD at all. I loved Sky, but I just couldn't get through this one. Too many bad changes in my opinion.

Here's some pokemon I feel like should be starters, but have never been one.

Rock: Rockruff (otherwise G eodude)
Water: Poliwag, Azurill, Buizel
Electric: Elekid, Mareep, Shinx, Helioptile
Grass: Oddish/Bellsprout
Poison: Nidoran
Psychic: Abra, Ralts
Fire: Growlithe/Vulpix, Litleo
Ground: Sandshrew, Cubone, Hippopotas, Sandile
Flying: *insert all early birds here*
Bug: *early bugs, save for Burmy or Kricketot, I don't fancy Spinarak either, and doubt Ledyba*, Joltik
Normal: Meowth, Munchlax, early Normal types
Ghost: Gastly, Misdreavus, Duskull, Litwick
Fighting: Machop, Makuhita, Meditite, Mienfoo
Steel: Aron
Ice: Vanillite, Cubchoo, Swinub, Amaura (slightly unfair, but I love it), Alola Vulpix
Dragon: Dratini, Bagon, Axew, Goomy
Dark: Poochyena, Zorua
Fairy: Cleffa, Igglybuff, Togepi

I probably had more, but my mind was blanking.

Yeah, I know some of these were in past MDs, I meant stuff that isn't normally thought of as a starter.

>>27520275
>Can you actually evolve during the story?
Only temporarily, during certain scripted fights. Like three times. Wasted potential, if you ask me.

>>27520339
>no Yamask in Ghost
Just imagine the implications of it being the MC.

>>27520339
>cubone, machop, meowth, munchlax, shinx, vulpix
What are you smoking, man?
>growlithe, elekid, mareep, azurill, togepi
Adventure Squad.

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>>27520106
Vulpix a qt

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What if Drifloon was a starter choice in the next game?

>>27520606
>pick them
>the credits immediately start playing

>>27520652
>someone that doesn't know picks them
>it has Aftermath to start
>it looks totally useless to people that don't know
>you get to the ability changer

So I've tried adding custom portraits for one of my favorites, but there's one problem: I don't know how to draw leaves.

rip me. oddish portraits never ever ever.

Unless whoever made Mareep and Wooper portraits shows up.

>>27520421
>Yeah, I know some of these were in past MDs, I meant stuff that isn't normally thought of as a starter.

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>>27520785
fuck

>>27520578
foxy slunt

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So legitimate question.

I want to play R/BRT, Sky, and such. I'm kinda bummed that they're not out on the 3DS for whatever reason, but I had thought about grabbing a WiiU for some other old games as well. (Given that the actual cart for Sky and the like are stupid expensive for what they are.)

Now I hear that the WiiU is a flop, and there's this new NX thing which is like, the future of Nintendo or some shit. Do I wait for that and the hopeful Virtual Console support it has? Or just grab a WiiU?

Or I guess I could grab a new 3DS and downgrade+homebrew, but

>>27521059
You can install a Red Rescue Team .cia and play BRT and EoS using the real cards or flashcard, on the 3DS.

>Or I guess I could grab a new 3DS and downgrade+homebrew, but
That's the best option, particularly if you have a DS flashcard.

>Now I hear that the WiiU is a flop
If you care about emulators it's kind of ok, if you have homebrew.

>there's this new NX thing which is like, the future of Nintendo or some shit
And we still don't know anything other than it comes out in March.

>Do I wait for that and the hopeful Virtual Console support it has?
Virtual Consoles releases have always been shit and I doubt the NX will change this.

>>27521059
If you don't already have a Wiiu i'd just emulate them. This has the added benefit of letting you have custom Sky starters. Nintendo's been absolutely terrible with VC releases, I had to hack my wii just to be able to play F-zero X because they just refuse to put it on the eshop.

>>27520718
Did you look at references and tutorials on drawing leaves and Oddish? It isn't exactly a hard pokemon to draw.

>>27521059
Do you not have the option of emulation? OP has a download of everything you need (assuming you're using Windows).

Playing on 3DS is the next best option. I couldn't recommend getting a WiiU unless you plan on playing more than just PMD, and even then the selection is not that great.

>>27521169
>OP has a download of everything you need
Well, unless he really wants to use Mareep, as I have yet to upload that. I've been lazy

>>27521113
>That's the best option, particularly if you have a DS flashcard.
I've been wanting to sell off my New 3DS XL in exchange for a non-XL bundle for some time now. Might be motivation to do it.

>>27521169
Oh I mean, I do have the option of doing that. But I've always been one to play handheld games on the handheld, and I have a 3DS. I was just dumb and upgraded it thinking my CFW days were behind me. They weren't LOL. Browserhax sparked that motivation again.

>>27521208
I get the appeal of playing off an emulator when possible. You might be able to throw on a custom starter save onto a rom of Sky, but i dunno how this all works.

>>27521220
It's easy to figure out how FBI works

>>27521226
So 3ds hacking advanced to the point where you can do it on 11.0? I'm on 11.0.0-33U.

If so, what happens if i hack it, and then I have to update in order to go online in the future? Will that brick it?

>>27521282
You still need a hardmod or a 2nd 3DS to downgrade an 11.

There's a temporary browser/menuhax that released a few days ago so you can dork around, but as far as I understand you still need to downgrade/install CFW to pirate.

>>27521282
You can do it on 11.0, but you need to either hardmod it or borrow an already modded 3DS that you're allowed to format and buy a DSiware on your 3DS.
https://github.com/Plailect/Guide/wiki/Hardmod-Downgrade
https://github.com/Plailect/Guide/wiki/DSiWare-Downgrade

>>27521282
>If so, what happens if i hack it, and then I have to update in order to go online in the future? Will that brick it?
No, everything is safe, don't worry. At least, as long as you don't give money to Sky3DS or Gateway, but you'd deserve it in that case.

>>27521484
>>27521469
holy shit fuck hardmods and fuck needing another 3ds for this.

>>27521113
>You can install a Red Rescue Team .cia
If you do this, make sure you don't quicksave the game, since your save gets corrupted no matter what. Lost hours worth of progress doing that.

>>27521605
If you weren't on 11.0 it would be way easier.

>>27521605
fuck nintendo for closing the exploit

your alternative is to find an older N3DS on 10.x, that you can downgrade still

>>27521671
>>27521705
can't they just find some exploit that doesn't involve opening up the fucking thing?

>>27521738
Not anymore, really. The "exploit" is using a 2nd 3DS that has a CFW and DSiware to do it.

The problem with older exploits is that if you try to force a downgrade, the system "soft bricks" on you, forcing you into recovery mode, and the only way out is to contact the Nintendo server and get the most current firmware update.

>>27521738
The hardmod isn't even exactly an exploit now either. All exploits today are software based.

>>27521777
So i'm just totally fucked unless i shell out for a 3ds that just happens to be before that?

>>27521808
What does it even involve anyways? I'm not exactly good with tools

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>>27520339

I always love speculating on what new PMD starters will be

I'm waiting on more new pokemon to be announced before drawing more portraits, but your list is giving me an itch something fierce.

>>27521856
Pretty much. Or until someone comes up with the magical solution. After all, we thought browserhax and menuhax was DEAD, and then a week ago they were like "lol we did it again".

The hardmod involves soldering. If that isn't something you know, it then involves paying someone to hardmod it for you. Since I have no desire to do either, I don't know much beyond that.

>>27521915
I know someone that can solder, but I think I'd rather have another 3ds before trying, because i don't feel like chancing everything i have on it

>>27521915
>browserhax and menuhax
I can understand menuhax, but new browser exploits are constantly being found since it's main part is open source.

>>27521860
It looks amazing

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>>27521860
>Pawniard

>>27521860
>pawniard

I'm just imagining the protag being one, tripping, and being stuck in the ground because of all those sharp edges

>>27522207

I can't imagine waking up and having knives for hands. Can't even put on the PMD scarves without help.

>>27522579
>Partner scared of putting on the scarf for you
>They have to get someone who's resistant to Steel to put it on

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>>27521860
>Pawniard
>Larvitar
>Litten
Team Edgy looks great.

>>27522579
>enemy uses whirlwind on you
>fly into partner
>partner is kill

>>27504419
Fenniken
> Btw does anyone have fanart or good fanfic with that team?

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>>27522707
I got this

>>27519979
So I could finally pick my dream team of best turle (turtwig) and cuteistmon (deerling)?

>>27522753
Thx anon

So who are some fun custom starters to use in the Sky emulator?

I was thinking of Solrock, Duskull or Beedrill, but I haven't played the Explorers games and don't know if they'll gimp me.

>>27523242
Most Pokemon are viable in Explorers, some more than others. The beginning might be tough if you pick mons like Jigglypuff, who starts with only about 10HP and nothing but Sing, but even then that gets alleviated once you unlock Spinda's Cafe which lets you boost stats through gummis.
Haven't really tried the three you want to use, but it'd probably take some time getting used to a mon like Duskull, since he can go through walls, which your partner likely can't do.

Would you guys keep the emera system or bring IQ back? Maybe a bit of both?
Would you change either system?

>>27523428
Bring back IQ but make it like an improved Rescue Team. The easiest way I can sum it up is like equip load in Souls games. You have a max number of units available to equip skills and each IQ skill takes a certain number of units. The IQ stat increases the max number of units available. Every Pokémon can learn every skill. Maybe there's a penalty for going over 100% or maybe you just can't. Maybe certain Pokémon have a naturally higher max number of units than others.

>>27523428
Keep Emeras and rework IQ into being part of a looplet. This way emeras effects can be kind of permanent, as long as you don't lose your emera'd looplet. Of course, just inserting an emera inside wouldn't be enough, there needs to be a harder (and limited) way to do it. Replace the "inserting more than 1 emera of the same type" with looplet levels.

>>27523428
Emeras could be a late game powerful item or something.

>>27523428
We definitively need a tier system where the OP Emera take up more slots. Like who would ever keep Burn Guard when you have Barrage?

If we're bringing back IQ skills then we need to make them faster and easier to get. Every time I've played EoS I've unlocked maybe one IQ skill every 5 hours, and that's on ONE character while it's usually bad. All the fun stuff comes far too late.

>>27523428
IQ skills come back, but as a much weaker version; all mons get a handful of IQ skills specialized to their evo line (about 3-5) that are tied to levelups. Emeras stay.

>>27524012
>all mons get a handful of IQ skills specialized to their evo line (about 3-5) that are tied to levelups.
Reminds me of Fire Emblem Fates/Awakening's skill system. I like it

>>27523428
Basically, a mix of EotS IQ and GtI team skills would be ideal. IQ groups are back, but each group has a much shorter list composed mostly of utility and survival skills, and a pokemon's IQ can be maxed out on a handful of gummies. Team skills are now per pokemon and are for the more powerful and late IQ skills.

On a tangent, if there's something that bothered me about emeras is that it forced every item to be a looplet.

>>27525129
It works though, giving you 1000 different super-hyper rare items to boost your attack powers in a ROGUELIKE where YOU LOSE YOUR ITEMS only promoted savescumming.

If I die in Super and lose a looplet, who cares? I have like 16.

>>27525205
I doubt anyone actually uses the basic looplets if they have better ones. Especially with Cofagrigus selling lost treasures.

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What have you accomplished today?

>>27525129
>On a tangent, if there's something that bothered me about emeras is that it forced every item to be a looplet.
Me too, I wish we could have both.

>>27525555
quads confirm I'm a lazy fuck

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>>27525555
>To next Rank: 34280

>>27525555
Absolutely nothing.
Same as any other day, really.

>>27523428
Add new IQ skills, and have it to where mons with maxed iq could "teach" those skills to other pokemon in the group, a bit like move leveling.

For emeras, if they stick around, give some way of keeping them/buying them before a dungeon.

>>27525555
Nothing, but I've done too much for these games in the past. I deserve a break

>guides
>finding the adventure squad games
>100% in sky and rt

>>27516700
Pikachu/Cyndaquil
kind of regret picking Pikachu in terms of usefulness but gdi I wanted to be cute

So I'm wanting to use some custom starters for Sky, but it's currently blowing my mind with possibilities.

Does anyone know if you could import portraits from the other mystery dungeon games to get them to work for a starter?

>>27526628
I assume you mean from GtI/Super? Well, they need to have a specific number of colours so I don't think they would look good.
If they're from RT (aren't all of them also in Sky already though?) or they're fanmade (you may still need to fix the colours) then it's fine.

>>27526727
Rescue team has some that aren't in Sky. Machop springs to mind as one.

Fanmade ones could be an option.

>>27526628
You could probably find pics of them online, cut out the pics from the boarder?

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>>27526727
You have to resize them too, it's not very pretty.

>>27526955
Sky has all of RT's portraits, though you might have to rearrange some of them because a few aren't in the right slots.

>>27527289
>he actually tried it
Honestly, it's better than I was expecting. Not really good of course, but it could have been way worse.

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>try to get back into AS to complete the postgame dungeons
>everything instakills me and good items are much harder to come by
>enemies keep evolving
This isn't fun any more

>>27528360
>go through hell getting the games running
>language barrier keeps me from playing

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seriously fuck chatot

>>27528570
Well you passed, didn't you? Nothing to worry about :^)

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>>27528570
Don't fuck with him m8. Out of the entire guild only he can handle ZIS.

So I wound up buying PSMD because of seeing these threads in passing, and I'm super in love with it. Just completed the main story and got my partner back, and just working on leveling. Is it normal to be this emotional over a Pokemon game? I don't feel like the other Mystery Dungeon games got me this invested. I finally understand the Mawile love. Fuck Swirlix, though.

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>>27528838
What's your opinion on best leader?

>>27528840
You savestated before this, didn't you? I didn't actually realize they'd accounted for that

>>27529048
Cute and huggable/10. It made me genuinely happy when he rescued you from Nuzleaf.

>>27529072
not that i haven't beaten the game, but spoiler that shit

>>27528840
*trickstery alugh*

>>27529066
Yeah, I reset after trying that out. It's better to use it inside of a dungeon with a Nature Gifter mon, anyway.

>>27529114
Oh sorry! I'm so used to spoiler-free boards now that I just forgot.

>>27529192
Who do you use, Jigglypuff?

>>27529302
Used Jigglypuff for level up seeds, and both her and Manaphy for HP boosters. Didn't have Jirachi for a while, which is why I didn't use him for this and for getting Kecleon.

>>27528606
I really can't stand that kind of character trope...

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>>27529500

why don't pokemon have distinctive names, am I supposed to believe that only one or two Bidoof's are gonna be in any given area and they all just call each other Bidoof? It's just an odd choice to me, especially when you and your partner get names.

>>27529538
shouldn't you be sucking Wigglytuff's Perfect Apple

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Has anyone ever succesfully stolen from Kekleon? I'm surprised that it was even possible to steal from him in a kids game.

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>>27529877
Probably for marketing purposes or making it easier for younger kids to know what Pokemon each character is. I thought it was fine with the player character, because he was once a human but with the partner I just imagined it as a nickname he/she was given.

>>27530139
I befriended him through thievery

>>27530139
Pure seed and rollcall orb seem to be the popular option

is the player character always a precious human?

>>27530374
>precious
No.
>human
Yes.

>>27530374
Not in Wiiware

Am I the only one around here hating the new 3D styles whether its the "normal" games or PMD?

I dont know if its nostalgia but I felt like Gates to infinity was just utter shit compared to sky.
Is Super any better?

>>27530536
You mean visually or in terms of the game's overall? Visually I like 3D more personally. It is preference, but 2D can look really good if enough work is put into it (see: Kangaskhan Storage in Rescue Team vs Explorers). In terms of overall quality, I'm more divided. This series in particular doesn't match any stereotype in my eyes. Rescue Team and Gates were the low points while Super and Sky were the high points. I'm anxious to see where the next game takes us in both regards.

Yes, Super is better than Gates.

>>27530828
Meant both quality and graphics. Well graphics are just a personal opinion.

But holy shit what is wrong about rescue teams? Those games were awesome. The story was awesome and had nice twists to it and the difficulty spike was nice.

My favourite part was when you fled from alakazam and his partners ( I forgot the names, I´m German)

>>27531233
I wouldn't say there's anything "wrong" with Rescue Team, I'm just of the opinion that every game since then has been better. I guess it's wrong to call it a "low point" since it was great when it came out.

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>>27531233
Gates is commonly acknowledged by many, even those that enjoy it, as the worst in the series not counting the wii ware titles. Even before release alot of people were skeptical of it, I remember A LOT of people were pissed at the "options" for playable characters.

For me personally I still consider sky the overall best but super is definitely worth your time and a great game. If you enjoy rescue team and T/D/S you will definitely enjoy super. Many of the complaints aboit gates were removed and it just honestly feels likeva better game.

>>27530139
Yes. Multiple times
Especially in Super
Mostly in Super

>>27531362
awesome! I was so disappointed after gates, I thought they ruined the series now.
If super brings me kind of the same experiences as Rescue Team and Sky did i´m more than happy.
I cant get over how bad gates was.. there was literally NOTHING good about this game,

>so much text
>so little quality

>>27529072
>rescued from nuzleaf
w-what

>>27532027
guess he didn't like being stuck in serene village

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>>27531883
>nothing good

I have only ever played PSMD and I loved it. If I played other pokemon dungeon games, would I like them as well even though they are older?

>>27532307
Generally people have SMD or Sky as their favorites

>>27531883
>Paradise
>Gurdur/Timburr
>Virizion
>Mysteriosity/V-Wave
>the concept of the epilogue
>L-button move menu
Gates did some things right.

>>27532307
Yes.

>>27532348
Oh man, I want to see Mysteriosity come back. I need more crazy shit like "the whole floor is corridors" and those special tiles in my dungeons.

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>>27529048
I'm still annoyed the first instance of seeing a megapokemon in SMD was some random Tyranitars and Gengars during a plot fight, and not Ampharos coming in and saving your asses against something.

>>27532307
try out sky

little different from PSMD but still good

>>27532938
I feel the same way. They just throw all those mega enemies at you with zero fanfare at all.

>>27532991
>>27532346

Thank you for your responses, friends.

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>>27532938
That said, I really enjoyed Ampharos in SMD. I hope they do away with the rest mechanic in the next game, or at least have a way to remove the need for resting, perhaps through a postgame dungeon reward.

>>27533042
you're gonna have a good time anon. good luck

How often do job requests show up on the beach. One time I was able to get a treasure hunt mission, but after that I've never seen any requests there.

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I grossly enjoyed how obscenely powerful Chespin is in this game since it was my starter in X. A week or two before SMD came out I looked through Chespin's level up movepool again and knew if it was the same in mystery dungeon it'd be the perfect storm of absolute horseshit. Killing Primal Groudon in one attack was the highlight of my game. Effortlessly facetanking repeated Glaciates from Kyurem by using Drain Punch comes in a close second.

Still need to go back and beat Arceus Tower at some point, though.

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Just discovered I can get rid of the awful pixel filter by pressing the right control stick.

>>27533409
That's awesome. The 3DS doesn't have anything like that, does it?

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Ahah! The fabled Wooper appears.

>>27533452
Not that I know of.

>>27533452
Hold start or select when loading the game

>>27533544
Oh shit I didn't know that either.

>>27533544
I know about that. I was looking for something that got rid of the filtering in the fullscreen mode but I guess that is the workaround.

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>>27533540
>Vulpix and Wooper
If you're planning on optimizing, try to max out one of their IQ stats, preferably Vulpix's because you can't use Wooper in some plot dungeons. Stair Sensor+Map Surveyor are very good to have.
>tfw all your favorites are postgame only

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>>27533540
Victory.

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>>27533042
That's not to say Rescue Team is bad, though. Gates isn't as bad as everyone says, but isn't as good as the rest.

>>27533118
>that quote
>mfw

>>27533304
I love how my favorites just magically end up overpowered in pmd

>>27533681
>tfw successfully convincing people to use Wooper

>>27533681
You know you can change the other screen to be a map, right? As well as the movement speed.

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>Steelix used Rock Polish!
>Steelix is now faster than fucking anything you punk bitch!
>Steelix used Sandstorm!

kill me

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>>27533792
>tfw went for something cuter than Wooper

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>>27533830
>Drifblim used Ominous Wind!
>PC avoided the attack!
>Partner avoided the attack!
>It has no effect on 3rd Party!
>Drifblim is now FUCKING INVINCIBLE
>Drifblim used Ominous Wind!

Stop

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>>27533895
>implying anything is cuter than Wooper

Quagsire is still a great choice though.

Is there a limit to how many pokemon I can recruit in Sky?

>>27533940
Yeah, 522 according to Bulpapedia.

>>27533940
Messing around in Sky Editor shows that there are 720 available slots total. 2 for the player+partner duo, 3 for special episode units, and 715 generic recruits, though one of those slots will always be used on Manaphy in the endgame.

>>27533990
>720 available slots total
Does that account for every alternate form and gender?

>>27533990
Well then, guess I don't have to worry about that. Thats more than all the pokemon.

>>27534004
I think it does with about 120 slots to spare.

>on revelation mountain
>already dies twice
;_; this is too hard for me

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>Golden Chamber mission
>treasure boxes contain Sun Ribbons/Golden Apples
Kill me

>>27533926
At least we can both agree on Quagsire's cuteness

>>27534477
Never found a good use for Golden Apples. No dungeon that lets you bring items is long enough to justify them.

Also, bump limit. If nobody makes a new thread in an hour or so, i'll handle it again.

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Thoughts on team? I always liked Cubone from RT.

>>27534518
Page 8, go for it

Stupid question. In PSMD, if I bring one excited dude, its 3x xp. If I bring two, it bumps it up to 6x, or is it still 3x

>>27535691
It's passable. Cubone gets a multi-hit STAB naturally which is pretty nice, so he's a better Ground type rep than Phanpy, and isn't stuck in IQ group E.

>>27535691
>cubone keeps animations

nice

>>27535716
Alright, sit tight guys

>>27535768
new thread

>>27535811
>>27535811
>>27535811