>alt universes in this game will forever be referenced back to this pretentious piece of shit
And that's what the portals with the legendary Pokemon in them are. Hoopa is tearing open holes between dimensions and you are literally stealing legendary Pokemon from other places in space and time.
Maybe there's even a universe where there's no Pokemon.
Well Bioshock Infinite was basically completely rewritten and thrown together in 6 months based off assets from the previous development cycle so that's an advantage for Gamefreak.
>Zekrom /Reshiram absorbed by the portals
>N never learn the lesson and with gthesis he conquered Unova
Damn .... thats a actually good , ita a shame that GF quit the BF and everyone is mad by that
I mean I'm mad at the lack of BF and I'm not gonna buy ORAS but fuck if this didn't blow my mind in several ways, up to the point I started considering buying it only for the lore.
I still won't lol
>this timeline shit is going to plague Pokémon for the rest of eternity like it does with Zelda
[Not the guy you were replying to]
Has anyone ever told you that people like you are the ones who are actually ruining the franchise?
Pokémon is about the experience as a whole, just because a game doesn't have, say, gym leader rematches, doesn't mean it's fucking shit.
Also, this lore is cool as fuck and if you don't think so, well, you happen to be quite retarded.
His "satiety" does not change a damn thing.
Nothing an American player of the game does will ever change how the next ones will be.
>inb4 >falling for the bait
I can't see Pokemon even doing much with the concept, I just hate the fact that you can't mention multiverses without people bringing up Infinite, which not only was far from the first story to heavily utilize different dimensions but also did it terribly to boot.
>games were never meant to all fit together, same with Pokémon.
What is red gyarados in dppt
What is red in hgss
What is traveled long distance against long travel through time when trading
Eh, maybe so, but they left enough leeway for it to work, and now they're actively making it that way what with Windwaker connecting directly to Ocarina and Twilight Princess also serving as an alternate timeline direct sequel. Skyward Sword is the be-all, end-all beginning unless they make like a SUPER prequel where you play the original champion of Hylia, but that would be a bit bittersweet, as that didn't have a good end.
Either way, the classic games don't really fit 100% to a continuity, but Nintendo is trying their damnedest to work with them, and every new entry is actively placed into that timeline somewhere. Pokemon probably did the same thing. Personally, I give zero shits where a pokemon game takes place in a timeline, because it's not exactly known for deep, emotional story-telling. Zelda has become known for that over time, so it does. Apples and Oranges friend.
ADVENTURE/SPECIAL IS CANON, IT JUST HAS ITS OWN UNIVERSE
If you believe in rby > gsc then by default must also agree that FrLg > HgSs
If so, then the fact that trading between rse and frlg mentions long distance as opposed to time means they belong relatively close in time.
Bw and bw2 are direct sequels with a grown up caitlin from platinum. Cynthia also mentions the protag from platinum in unova.
Face it anon, there is a timeline.
We're too deep.
We need a kick!
Yes, but something like
>RSE + FRLG leads to HGSS + DPPt leads to BW leads to XY
Is different than
>you see, RBY and GSC exist in the Stadiumverse, but they have their own variations in the WFCverse in FRLG and HGSS alongside RSE, but RSE has its own alternate version in the Pleaseunderstandu verse
One is less autistic than the other.
>"Until we meet again"
>goes off on a journey
>can't be found anywhere in Hoenn
Zinnia confirmed for bringing her multiverse shenanigans to future games.
Actually the pokemon games had a defined cannon until gen 6
I think Masuda was the one who said the order
Anyway only gen 1/2 were in a separate cannon, and that's because they changed the engine completely and made remakes
The cannon was like this
(Yellow is non cannon and was fan service for the anime)
Two Years Later
Fire Red/Leaf Green
Five Years Later
Heart Gold/Soul Silver
Unknown gap of time
Two Years Later
*The "middle" version of the game is considered the cannon story
Also, the Ranger games and the two Colosseum games fit into the timeline as well.
What is probably going to happen is they'll use X/Y and ORAS to jump off an alternate timeline to remake the other games.
My guess would be Kanto and Sinnoh sometime on the new 3ds.
And I think Genius Sonority is doing another Colosseum like game for the wiiu
>Hoopa just travels through realities
>however Volcanion creates new realities via higgs boson shenanigans, because he's a particle accelerator
>Volcanion is probably a man made mon like Genesect too
>yfw Zinnia, Looker and Cynthia team up and go on crazy adventures
>yfw they bother every new protag to ever show up
>yfw they just use Cynthia's myriad holiday homes as their hideout
>Volcanion was made by both Magma and Aqua in the original reality because Fire and Water type
>Therefore we're playing a game in a time line where they split up that was made by Volcanion
Actually it just dawned on me
Looker was in X/Y and they had a few references to past games, with that art museum and whatnot.
I suspect just for the sake of ORAS they came up with a reason in the lore to remake it.
Basically by stating that ORAS is an alternate reality they can get away with remaking it and connecting it to the main timeline, and other remakes without negating past events.
A clever little loophole that allows them to do more future side stories and remakes, but continue the main storyline.
It's cannon red caught all the kanto pokemon in his time.
Yellow is simply non cannon because of jessie/james/meowth
I don't understand why people call Yellow non-canon. Story-wise it had extremely minor differences; it just had some extra characters here and there that alluded to the anime. That's it. The main story is still exactly the same as R/G/B.
Canon with one n. A cannon is pic related.
For some reason, one of the first few posts that I make around here on a given day ends up being dubs. If only I could channel that luck into something useful. Like gambling. Or bitches.
Timeline 1:RBY-GSC=Time capsule invented, time paradox goes on for so long without consequence, until timeline is eventually reset by malfunction-Timeline 2:FRLG=RSE-HGSS=DPPt-BW-B2W2=XY=Time Capsule reinvented, connects to Hoenn region from however many years ago, doing so disturbs time, ORAS, timeline 3 formed.
so then that's the main timeline and ORAS is in an alt reality so they don't negate anything
This also doesn't negate Gen 1/2 anymore
Fuck I can see them doing a call back to the gen1/2 timeline
>Fuck I can see them doing a call back to the gen1/2 timeline
Entei/Raikou/Suicune use their original GSC music. Lugia and Ho-Oh use their HGSS music.
In other words, Hoopa stole Entei/Raikou/Suicune from the Old universe and stole Ho-Oh/Lugia from the Main universe.
>Gen 2 introduced time travel
>Gen4 introduced literal God Pokemons
>Gen 6 introduced multiple universes
What will we get in Gen 8?
>can't be found anywhere in Hoenn
What the fuck? That great of a battle theme and you cant even rebattle her?
Just about every time I make the desicsion to post on /vp/, one of my first three or so posts ends up being a GET. Of course, this is on a board that moves fast enough for everyone to see dubs or better at least once in a day. That and, you know, this board isn't bothered much by such things.
That said, I'd trade my ability to land dubs for more consistent crits from the RNGod in an instant.
>What will we get in Gen 8?
You are the pokemon, anon.
Actually, maybe we'll actually get some cool Occulus rift-style apparatus from Ninty and actually delve into the game ourselves
Every time I see something great with this game, something worse takes away from it.
Do you know if you can find Deoxys somewhere if you kill it in space or is that a one time catch?
Unofficial as fuck, but:
Caitlin didn't look older than 12 or 13 in Platinum, and by BW I'd probably give her somewhere around 19/20. So in total, about 7 years.
I'm sure there are better, more thought out theories, though.
>yfw dog trio are the Gen I eeveelutions' mega forms in an alternate dimension
All it means is that those minor differences didn't happen into the main timeline of the universe.
It is pretty consequenceless, but it means that Jessie/James do not exist in Gold and Silver because they aren't a part of the true story line.
why does everyone seem to think that XY is included in the separate cannon or ORAS?
there's no evidence to suggest that. in XY's universe mega evolution is something that is central to and was discovered in kalos. from what i've heard of ORAS, mega evolution is tied somehow to rayquaza.
i propose that XY is in the same universe as RBYGSCRSEDPPtBWBW2, and the only one in a separate universe is ORAS
But Anon, reading into shit is what American geeks do. Our cultural ancestors are the people who jizzed themselves when Mr. Snakes On A Plane showed up at the end of Iron Man and announced The Avengers.
>was discovered in kalos
No, it was created because of a cannon shot 3000 years ago by AZ. Apparently it hit a meteorite, the stones mutated and became the mega stones. And I believe there's where they make the connection.
>why does everyone seem to think that XY is included in the separate cannon or ORAS?
Zinnia confirms that the Ultimate Weapon didn't get set off in the old universe, so XY takes place in the same universe as ORAS.
>mfw lysandre did nothing wrong
If nothing else, Gamefreak at least tries to come up with excuses for its retcons. That's why they make it a point to make sure that new evolutions of old Pokemon require something that was unavailable in past generations (although they kind of screwed up with Piloswine).
>gen 7 announced
>you can choose one of three main characters
>looker, cynthia, or zinnia
>The other 2 are your rivals
>Plot focuses around traveling to other "universes" or gens traveling to stop Hoopa
I've always liked the plots and lore of pokemon (inb4 who plays for the plot?), and these past 2 (I guess three, with DPPt) have been great, as I can see where GF is trying to get better when it comes to the games' plots and characters and shit.
To be fair, they never really explained why Magnemite was suddenly part steel, and the emergence of dark types. I don't think they'll explain the reason why some pokemon are fairy types.
I guess it sorta explains why there are multiple versions of legendaries in the games. I always kinda found it dangerous to catch a Legend that plays a vital part in stabilizing the world.
>Blue is the only person to show up in every timeline
what does it mean
>I always kinda found it dangerous to catch a Legend that plays a vital part in stabilizing the world.
>tfw the series is based on Plato's world of forms and ideas, and the legendaries we catch are only physical aspects, not the actual creature living in the world of ideas.
Unknown would truly be powerful, then. I'm sure they live in the world of ideas.
If the history of the ORAS timeline still includes Kanto more or less untouched (except for megas), he'd exist there.
At the end of Episode Delta the plan is to teleport the asteroid to the RSE dimension, but Zinnia explains that the ultimate weapon from the war 3000 years ago was never built in that dimension and Mega Evolution never became a thing. The RSE would have no way to stop the astoroid as a result, so Zinnia destroys the teleporting thingy
So is blue then the pokemon version of space dandy?
>Primal Groudon/Kyogre theme
>you can hear parts of the original GBA theme fading in and out among the new version of the theme
>The new theme is actually a combination of all their themes in all the universes
>Primal Reversion is them obtaining the power from all their versions from all the different universes/timelines and becoming their true self, the ones that created the original land and sea
HOW DEEP CAN THE LORE GO?
>RSE starts a linear timeline up to the kalos games
>ORAS timeline is the one where the ultimate weapon was built.
>Establishing a link with past Hoenn via time capsule Joins X/Y to that timeline and all its' history
>X/Y universe represents a joint future between the original and the remake
The plot thickens
>yfw Pokemon Origins is part of the Mega Evolution timeline
>When you send a Pokemon forward between Gen 3 and Gen 5, the Pokemon always has a "traveled through time" message
>Sending it from Gen 5 to Gen 6 changes the message to "Traveled through Time and Space"
God damn it, Gamefreak.
I imagine that there's a "prime universe" where the legendary pokemon really do what their lore says.
>A world where Regigas really did tow the continents
>A world where Kyogre and Groudon did create the sea and land
>A world where the DPPt legendaries are truly masters of time and space and God
>All of the various timelines use this "Poke-Earth Prime" as a point of reference
>tfw you will never get to play a remake of G/S/C where you know the events of R/B/Y and R/S/E have already taken place, so you get to travel to both Kanto and Hoenn and battle Red and Brendan/May
>Arcanine is actually a legendary Pokemon
>in one timeline the meteorite get send to the old timeline and lands in Kanto(FRLG Deoxys event)
>in another timeline it lands in Hoenn(Emerald)
What about when it landed in Sinnoh? And I believe there's a place for it in BW, too.
Well, what about Dark and Steel too? Technically it doesn't exist in the original RBY timeline.
Az built the ultimate weapon because of his Floette. The reason he didn't build it in the old timeline was because there were no Floette and fairies didn't exist. Instead, the war ended quietly and wasn't important enough to go down in history.
>Implying Pokemon wasn't already rampantly full of headcanon.
>Implying headcanons can be ever stopped.
Your reality's headcanon is shit.
The truth is that the pokémon universe itself is a pokémon and he's actually evolving. Each time he evolves, it becomes a new reality with at least 3 concurrent timelines. He's already on it's third stage, which means next timeline will introduce 4-stage evolutions
No? Nothing particularly implies post game content is non-canon. The only thing questionable about it in the past was the abundance of supposedly unique legendaries running around, which is now explained by Hoopa + alt universes.
> yfw origins is canon and acts as the kanto saga of the mega evolution universe
this shit is never going to go away, is it
I guess something needed to fill the vacated friend safari thread spot, but this is going to leak into every fucking thread where anyone mentions more than one game
>Distortion World = Baseline reality.
>Arceus = Typical demiurge that periodically spawns from the chaos of the Distortion World and creates a local reality.
>Palkia and Dialga - They dictate the laws of physics within the demiurge's local reality.
>Giratina - They guard the boundary between a local reality and baseline reality, preventing anomalous phenomena like Hoopa from intruding.
>Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza - Typical anagers of the local Earth.
>Azelf, Mesprit, and Uxie - They dictate the three attributes of sapience within humanity.
>Humanity - The typical favored earthly residents. Although they don't seem like they should be the dominant species compared to earthly Pokemon, most demiurges twist fate to put them in charge. A notable exception is the PMD reality.
>Hoopa - A resident of the Distortion World. It managed to poke its way into the XY/ORAS reality and fuck with everyone because the local Giratina is still butthurt.
>Unown - ???
The lore has gone so deep it broke through the fabric of reality.
I just threw some edits together in paint without regards to how it looks.
I think this works more, made sense out of gen iii to gen iv branching
Competitively, the absolute most useless pokemon ever conceived. But I'd love to see more written about them.
I always assumed that they were detritus between dimensions, fragments created by the clash of worlds or legendaries. Unown act like a hive mind, but not to any notable level of sentience.
RGB (Three ways later) GSC
FRLG <-> RSE (Three years later) HGSS <-> DPPt (Years later) BW (Two years later) BW2 <-> XY
Origins <-> ORAS (Three years later) HGSS <-> DPPt/Gen IV remake (Years later) BW (Two years later) BW2 <-> XY
>Giratina - They guard the boundary between a local reality and baseline reality, preventing anomalous phenomena like Hoopa from intruding.
>There will never be a movie with Giratina vs Hoopa, where Giratina is trying to prevent Hoopa from fucking up the different dimensions.
It'd play out like some sort of fusion between the Giratina/Shaymin movie, and the Rayquaza/Deoxys movie.
Maybe humans based their language off of the unknown. Or, maybe the unknown are messengers that communicated with humans to bring them closer to understanding pokemon, so together, they can live a harmonious life.
Since the alternate timeline thing is likely there to explain compatibility, I'm more inclined to think that XY is somehow in between the two timelines.
I only assumed that because the stuff you do post-game in BW doesn't happen in BW2, because the protag apparently ran off searching for N?
I mean, Red becoming champion is canon for sure.
Er, what are the other post game events that are canon? Red catching Mewtwo(?), etc.
I haven't been paying too much attention to the leaks I heard something about Steven stepping down and Wallace taking over, but what happened to you? Is it that you basically step down as soon as you become champ and Steven is "still" the champion? Or is it that Steven stepping down and Wallace taking over is not exactly canon?
>XY takes place a valley between two timelines
Going from Gen 5 to Gen 6 makes it clear that you aren't just moving your Pokemon forward or backward in time, see
So XY is almost definitely split off even though you can go from No Megaverse to Megaverse with the Bank.
>tfw when pokemon delta z
>plot revolving around traveling through universes and branching timelines
>battle frontier in space
>trainer customization returns
>pokemon follow you >alternate palettes beyond shinies
Guys, Looker appeared it XY, but dppt and bw doesn't have mega evolution in it, does this hinted that 4th generation might get a remake with mega evolution in it and completing the time line?
>Red catching Mewtwo
Sidequest. For something to be part of the main plot post-E4, it has to be a scenarized or scripted at least to a certain extent.
Gold beating Kanto Gym Leaders and challenging Red, and Brendan being invited to BF by Scott in Emerald are two examples that come to mind.
>Celebi is an ancient Pokemon that in part represents the peaceful side of nature that can travel through time
>Hoopa is a much more vulgar equivalent
>Celebi is Psychic Grass, Hoopa is Psychic Ghost
What if Hoopa IS Celebi, but instead of being born as a product of the positive influences of nature it was born from the chaos the war 3000 years ago created?
And what if all of this is all according to Arceus' keikaku?
Mew, Celebi, Hoopa, Victini, and Jirachi are all just inter-dimensional beings who occasionally get bored and wander into main timelines. That's why you can never find them outside of events.
Do you feel it? Is the fucking feel of DEEPNESS
Unova's supposed to be America, isn't it?
Victini also explains why Kanto looks like shit and has so many poison types in Gen 1, since it happens right after that war Surge talks about.
I used to think this was just a coincidence. But now I see...the truth.
Meteorite. Fairies are all aliens. Look at Clefairy. When the fairy meteorite crashed on Earth however many years ago, it spread particles around the world that carried some alien mutation gene that mutated shit into fairy type Pokemon as well as ultimately becoming a part of what made previous Gen pokemon into fairies too.
In Pokemon Space you go to the moon to find out the origin of Fairy Types.
>Maybe event legendaries like Arceus are multiversal singularities
this lore is 2deep4me now, holy shit. Mind blown. Multi-type, multiverse, just makes too much fucking sense. Arceus truly is the god mon. All pokemon not in XY are said to be in this game (or events). I do hope Arceus is somewhere as an in game catcheable mon.
Does anyone know what happens when you transfer an original hoenn mon to ORAS? What does the description say when you take say a Swampert from Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and transfer it all the way through pal park/transfer/transporter to reach ORAS?
Nearly every major war in history happens because a bunch of small wars lead to one big one. The war that took Floette might have just been a separate conflict that triggered Az going nuts and declaring war on the world.
word I'm gonna be transferring my Sceptile and my other Emerald bros. Game Freak really should write something special in the description to commerate the fact that our original hoenn mons are still with us for all these years. Give us a ribbon or something for this. "Time-Traveler Ribbon", "Celebi Ribbon", "Hoopa Ribbon"- something of that sort would be apt.
This fucker has a lot of explaining to do.
Every game is its own individual world/universe. Every time you trade or migrate a Pokemon it is traveling to one of a different place. This explains new additions of types, moves, megas, abilities and so on, as well as why each person is the champion in their game.
makes sense seeing as RGBY are the only games with bird type or cooltrainer type, as well as hybrid pokemon
>there might be a universe out there filled with nothing but glitches
>occasionally a hole might form in the fabric of reality, allowing the glitches to spill into other universes
>these holes started appearing so often in RBYGSC that the glitches overtook the entire universe, which is why there aren't any more games in that continuity
>it might explain the technological discrepancies between Black and White versions
Exactly my thoughts, Black and White happen in alternate storylines and somehow they connect because the dimensions are too close.
Actually, we may also argue that Reshiram and Zekrom choose the player and N depending on the universe.
>If this is true, it might explain the technological discrepancies between Black and White versions.
Oh shit, I didn't even think of that.
>Black is the version that leads to the current 'verse - the reliance on technology was formed when AZ developed the weapon with techniques unknown at the time
>White is the 'verse where he didn't, and so tech developed at a slower pace
It's got an obnoxious faggot talking over it, but it's good quality. Just turn off the sound or something. (It's at 23:00 if the time link doesn't work.)
I don't think you have to think about it that deeply. I like the explanation that they're "different tellings of the same story". Whichever way you experienced it is your version of the story.
That would explain the differences in wild pokemon between games as well as the newly introduced minor plot differences, and third versions. So I guess we need to go back to >>21814751 and split it up a bunch now.
Nah, one of the versions always seems to take priority as far as priority goes, usually the third. In GSC uses the name "Red" when you encounter him, so that's presumably the one that every sequel follows.
>So I guess we need to go back to >>21814751 and split it up a bunch now.
A more accurate version of the timeline would have GSC each forking out of Red, Blue, and Yellow. So there's 9 stories in Universe A.
Things get confusing in Universe B because you have FR/R, FR/S, FR/E, LG/R, LG/S, and LG/E, and each of those combinations leads to six stories: HG/D, HG/P, HG/Pt, SS/D, SS/P, SS/Pt. And each of those 36 stories leads to either Black or White, so that's 72 stories in Universe B.
So, the death of AZ's Floette is the point where the timeline's diverge. What if the dlc event of pic related is connected to the forked timeline?
Red -> Gold and Blue -> Silver is implied through version exclusives in Kanto being similar. It's probably best to just think of GSC as three variations of one thing, otherwise you'll give yourself a headache.
>So, the death of AZ's Floette is the point where the timeline's diverge.
Makes sense. If Floette was still alive, AZ would never have had the motivation to make the great weapon.
So to recap:
Universe A - RGBY, GSC - Consumed by anomalies in the universe that we know as "glitches"
Universe B - RSE, FRLG, DPPt, HGSS, BW, B2W2 - One of the two universe we have seen Looker in so far, the first time in which the anomalies are expanded upon
Universe C - ORAS, Origins, XY - One of the two universes we have seen Looker in so far, the first universe in which Mega Evolution is known
They could have avoided resorting to this shit if they never mentioned that Mega evos and fairies were new discoveries in X/Y and just retconned. I find that solution a lot less sloppy than just saying "fuck it, new timeline"