/fog/ - Fallout General

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>>187644353
Nice

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First for nose ribbon

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black population in my vault slowly being out-bred

>>187644486
So close, yet still so far away

goddamnit f4se update so i can buy mods

>>187645392
it wont update, because it's run by the same team that does SKSE, and the main guy is on hiatus.

And they refuse to open it to github

>>187644486
That's not blood.
That's a fucking magic trick.

>>187644531
How do you keep track of family trees? After maybe my third batch of babies I start losing track. Of course I only played Shelter when it was new and on tablet so I might've missed some Vault Dweller listing somewhere too.

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>the buyfag who threw money at todd yesterday still didn't upload the .esls somewhere

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>>187645886
nose ribbon! She's a magician!

>>187646587
I worried about this too.

I went full autismo and wrote down families on a notepad

>>187646587
There's no in-game listing for it, but what I like to do is make "couples" have the same last name, and their entire family too.

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>tfw FO4 had no good husbandos

>>187645659
shit. how long are we looking at then?
i use the f4se launcher because of how many mods i have that use the script extender, so for as long as the versions dont match up, i cant play

>>187646587
>>187646983
Yeah I just make sure all the babies get their father's last name. Unfortunately this means that I don't remember who the mothers are

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>>187647372

>>187647507
Don't they get the father's last name by default? Or is it the mother's?

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>>187647372

Incorrect!

>>187646670
https://my.mixtape.moe/mmieqs.7z

fine, have it your way.

>>187647601
It's random, but you can edit the first and last name when the baby is born

btw I'm playing the PC version, there might be some differences? idk

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>>187647372
>Danse has the personality of a sack of oatmeal
>MacCready looks like a rodent
>Preston is Preston
>Hancock might not even have a dick anymore
>Gage looks like a political cartoon caricature

>>187647846
I'm playing on PC too (right now actually). I never knew you could edit the last name too in the birth certificate menu.

>>187646983
>someone was high enough to draw cait and several fighting pokemons AND a fucking cubone

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>>187647740
Well done.

>>187648159
>buying FO4
>enabling updates
You brought this on yourself.

>>187648035
What about Deacon? I always wipe out the Railroad so I've never romanced him

What mod should I install if all I want to have is unlimited building resources?

I like to explore and everything but, man I have many hours of time

Also what was the mod to let shops in the settlements earn more than 50 caps a day?

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>>187648035
>>187647372

>>187648390
He's not a romance option

>>187648390
Can't romance Deacon.

>>187648401
DOn't need one, TGM allows infinite resources and no perk requirements in settlement building.

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>>187648298
>buying FO4
Read again

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>>187644353
i might have managed to update F4SE to work with the new fallout runtime. testing it right now.

will post once im done testing

>>187648461
Anon, I am on Xbox

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>>187648617
You're dead to me.

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>>187648035
MacReady doesn't look THAT bad. Broaden the head a bit, make the chin and nose less pointy to get rid of the ratface, make him brush his teeth and cut his hair and he looks almost human.

>>187648561
Save us!

>>187648390
>wacky quirky surfer dude

>>187648412
>Wet Blanket-tron 8000

>>187647702
>likely to leave you for Shaun

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>>187647372
Danse and Hancock are the popular ones. A couple people I've talked to liked maxson but wew lad. Sturges is pretty cool. I personally like Preston a lot but people don't look past the muh settlements stuff.

Kent is more like a little brother figure but he's cool too.

>>187648120
I'm glad they did.

>>187648390
He has a waifu already so you can't. Which I appreciate for a change.

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>>187648561
pleas god

>>187648732
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/9415/?

Bethesda is like a fucking bull in a china shop except this time, after the bull has been put back in its cage, Todd Howard strides in through the wreckage and places his own little handcrafted china vase on a shelf.

The only problem is that his isn't very good.

>>187649146
I find this funny because literally nothing has changed at all beyond the addition of a service no one has to use.

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>>187648732
thats not mac ready anymore tho

when someone is ugly your first instinct shouldnt be to change them

you should accept them for who they are and realize they'll always be really fucking ugly

>>187649348
Put your name back on caitfag.

>Update downloads all of the CC meshes and textures to your computer

Why pay for it then?

>>187649336
and that people who use f4se can't play

>>187649457
you gotta pay for the .esl's

this p only much works for pure autists who *want* to pay, or console crowd.

>>187649457

They sell the esps only

All those paints and retextures could be put into one esp in like 10 minutes of work

>>187649456
i fucking hate cait
she's a horribly inconstant character due to poor writing and lazy developers.
her quest of overcoming her addiction could have been something more akin to mac readys where it takes time and could have culminated in something cool like tossing a shopping cart filled with drugs or some shit into a fire

i never use vanilla companions anyway. i always have a guard force made up of anywhere from 3-7 robots

>>187649469
Which happened literally every update ever

So again, nothing has changed

>>187649336
I don't know anon my hard drive feels a good 2gb heavier

>>187649896
>>187649765
>>187649457


Just a comment to this shit, whenever other mods get added to the CC, F4SE is going to break. Just a thinker for you guys.

and if a CC mod ads lots of shit, you might get bombarded with another +2GB of storage waste even if you dont buy it

>>187649886
>and could have culminated in something cool like tossing a shopping cart filled with drugs or some shit into a fire
That is the most dumb thing I have heard in the last 30 minutes, holy shit

>can't assign preston gravy to anything
So is this one of my mods?

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>>187648035
>preston is preston
>not wanting an upstanding honorable husbando
Facing death at the museum, he still sticks with the slow-moving granny instead of just bailing out a window like he could have, or earlier on the journey

He was just betrayed by his idols, members of the minutemen. He was stabbed in the back by those he not only trusted, but looked up to. Instead of saying "fuck this, people suck", HE takes over as the last minuteman. He picks up the mantle himself instead of being discouraged.

Later on, he knows what you're capable of. Traveling with you, he sees you kill 100 raiders. But if you join the raiders of nuka world, he still stands up to you. He knowingly faces death against what must seem like a supersoldier to him, because he still believes in fighting raiders and protecting the commonwealth. He's like Ollanius Pius.

He may not be cool like Hancock or a superman like Danse, but he's a legitimately good-aligned person and has a stronger will and dedication to the concept of good than people give him credit for.

He's been reduced to le settlement meme man.

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>>187644353
on xbox one, the CC update just interrupted my Survivor game and killed it... literally shutdown Fallout just so it could tell me that there is an update.... 2 hours of playtime lost... dont give a fuck about CC... REEEEEEEEE

>>187649910
All of 2gigs, wow.

Are you some poorfag? 4terabyte HDDs are piss cheap nowadays.

Get out of your third world country for 5 minutes

>>187650152
Good-aligned characters are fucking boring my man

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>>187650158
>on xbox one

>>187650158
well hopefully you've learned your lesson about playing on a console

>>187650060
better than "oi guv thaks for helping me get into the secret hospital where nothing happened so i could instantly cure my addication without having to face consequences cheers i killed my parents"

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>>187649910
>>187650052
CC needs to go back.

>mfw didn't update and prevented future updates

>>187650152
bethesda's fault for making him annoying as fuck, I agree he's a cool guy once you mod him to chill out.

>>187650223
>HDD
I think you need to take your own advice.

>>187650152
He's obsessed with the minutemen, consantly pesters you with radiant quests and has the worst voice acting in the game

>>187650323
>having to face consequences
What consequences would there be anon?

Seriously.

>>187649469
Wait are you fucking serious? Holy shit.

>>187650337
>mfw didn't update and prevented future updates

Its too late for me, but how did you do this?

>>187650485
>has the worst voice acting in the game
Come on, he's nowhere near as bad as mama murphy or cait. He's still fucking terrible though.

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>>187650223
>hdd

>>187650596
And yet he still manages to be better them the VAs in Fallout 3 and NV

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>>187647372
Take that back.

>>187650580
Set game to only update when launched, have steam open to download manager so I can cancel update as soon as it starts if it does, and launch through NMM w/ F4SE.

Currently enjoying a very script extended playthrough with no creation club worries

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>>187650052
Man, it sure must suck to be some dumb faggot who bought the game.

>>187650805
Thanks but fuckin' shit its too late for me to do that. Will F4SE even update? I was under the impression that the devs bailed.

>>187650596
Oh yeah I forgot about Mama Murphy. I deliberately made her overdose on drugs early on in my game.

Atleast Cait has the excuse of being voiced by a Scottish woman trying to do an Irish accent

>>187650898
Not really. I have all of zero mods that need F4SE, so its never an issue

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>>187650254
Boring characters are boring characters, it's not dependent on alignment. An evil character who is boring is just as boring as a good character who isn't well made.

If a character doesn't have strong convictions, and doesn't have a reason for them, and doesn't have anything going on, then they're boring. They can be as good or evil as they want.

Preston was betrayed and his friends slaughtered, so in response, he becomes super minutemen4lyfe, instead of giving up. Many of his friends give up, and populate raider gangs. He didn't. His trials and adversity strengthened his resolve, while other people it did the opposite and cast them into raiderdom. This is interesting.

Some cops who see cop corruption join in. Other cops who see cop corruption steel themselves in being the good kind. It's how stuff works. I like Preston for this reason, he reflects a natural phenomenon.

Being boring isn't about alignment, it's about the ability or the lack of ability to get in their head and know why they do what they do and whether or not the author did a good job of making them relatable or realistic or all those sorts of things.

>>187650516
breaking an addiction is a long and tough process. its a fuckin addiction dude
and she jus
goes to this magic machine that NO OTHER DOCTOR KNOWS ABOUT yet this RANDOM CHICK who fights people in a bar for raiders DOES know about

>>187651101
>goes to this magic machine that NO OTHER DOCTOR KNOWS ABOUT
No one said other doctors don't know about, in fact, Cait said she only learned where it was by asking other people and doing research herself.

I always love to see people make up blatantly obvious bullshit to try to shit over something.

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If you create a raider settlement does it get attacked by minutemen instead of other raiders?

>>187651263
raider settlements act as parasitic settlements.

Can't produce food/water there, so i don't think they get attacked at all.

>>187651263
No, not all raider clans are united anon.

>>187651440
So you need to connect them with normal ones or how else do you get food there?

>>187651209
what other people would she ask? shes lived in the combat zone for who knows how long and the only people there are generic raiders.
and if other doctors DO know about it how come no one else has USED the damn thing?

>>187651263
Yes. If you're allied to the minutemen, your turrets and robots won't defend against them.

>>187651569
You didn't do the nuka world questline, i take it?

You essentially get hostile with minutemen because you force settlements to feed your raider settlements.

You need normal settlements to sustain raider settlements. Slave labor, it isn't something people are happy with.

>>187651664
>and if other doctors DO know about it how come no one else has USED the damn thing?
Are you fucking retarded?

did you miss the small armies worth of Gunners guarding the damn thing? Why do you think THEY are there in the first place?

I'm starting to doubt if you even have two brain cells to rub together.

>shes lived in the combat zone
She works there, and sleeps there, but are you really so stupid as to think she has never gone outside the building for any reason the whole time?

Daily reminder that your waifu looks like shit and your favorite Fallout game sucks.

>>187651785
Or you just build robot farmers.

>>187651770
That sounds fun.
>>187651785
I haven't touched any of the DLC so far, too busy changing my mind about what kind of character I want to play.

>>187651909
okay ill level with you: i've never ever used cait or did her quest. i have no fucking idea what im talking about

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Is there anyway to make this thing enjoyable in terms of quests and role playing? Everything just fills me with apathy in this game

>>187651909
>Why do you think THEY are there in the first place?
It's a study prebuilt home and an easily defensible position with the narrow choke points all over the place.

>>187652379
no

>>187652379
There's no huge overhauls since F4SE is ded, so no. Welcome to HD waifu hell.

>>187652381
But its right next to the glowing Sea, and in the middle of literal nowhere.

Its not useful as a base or staging area by itself

>>187652379
then stop playing it

So guys

why did they ruin the aliens caused The Great War narrative?

I would have been so EPIC!

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>>187651664
Gunners took over the vault, and were there long enough that they had beds and stuff set up. It seems normal people would not have been able to check the place out for some time, and the rumors about the chair originated from when people could have checked it out.

But there are automatic defenses like turrets and locked doors, and we know that in-universe, these sorts of things do deter non-player characters.

Cait also had a very short length of time between being a slave, and working at the combat zone, where she would have traveled a bit and gathered rumors. She killed her parents in this span of time, for example.

>>187651101
the chair just handles the physical side of addiction, and another human believing in her and wanting her to live is all she needed to finally break the mental aspect of the addiction

>>187652379
Start me Up could help you get rid of the mainquest entirely but that leaves you with nothing but the rather lame sidequests.

Complete overhauls like FROSTT may be worth checking out for you.

>>187652542
It is useful as a base, it houses dozens of them, stockpiles pre-war food, and is heavily fortified with sniper perch, turrets and robots. It's within their area of operations and gunners do go into the glowing sea.

What do you think a base is?

>>187652542
It's useful as a base to store supplies and as a defensive position. Not to mention it's a vault so they might have also been salvaging and selling the equipment for extra caps on the side.

>>187652542
Yeah so are most Gunner waystations and bases.

>>187652562
>How do you enjoy Fallout 4?
>you don't
ya got it right on the nose

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guy from before here, didnt manage to h4x0r F4SE. i got it to start the game successfully but it crashes after loading.

STILL, IT WERKS:

somebody posted the actual files required for downgrading, and the old (current) version of F4SE works with that:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/0/1473095960825455101/

>>187652810
Actually most of them are in useful positions like on top of overpasses that allow them good control over the surrounding area

>>187653170
you're doing gods work brotendo

>>187653217
>good control over the surrounding area
Yeah in the middle of literal nowhere.

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>yfw the F4SE update is published exclusively on the CC for 300 Todd Coins

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>>187653534
>can't play game without f4se
>todd literally holding me hostage

>>187653447
>main highways intersecting the map and leading in and out of every city on it
>middle of literal nowhere

Just stop posting

I'm laughing at all the idiots who bound their game to a fucking script extender that is notorious for not being updated regularly for every game its been released on except Skyrim, and even then, its been flaky as fuck.

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>didn't buy the game
>runs game with scriptextender
>didn't buy the game
Feels good to not be goy.

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>>187653879
>>187654032
Feels good to not be at the mercy of a publisher, doesn't it?

>>187647372
Todd and Fallout 4 (tm) are the only husbando you need.

>>187653717
buy ToddBux or you aren't going to see F4SE again

>>187653879
laughin at this dude who doesnt know how computers work and thinks anything that isnt an .esp is a virus

>check to see if that idiot's tweet got a response
>he didn't even fucking @DCDeacon or @bethesdagamestudios

Are you fucking kidding me right now

>>187654274
Nice straw man.... seriously, are you that fucking desperate?

>Todd reached down from the sky and stopped the retard waifufags from starting FO4 and making shitty screenshots of their waifus at 45 degree angles and le artiste ENB

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>>187654314
Probably because he's named EliteAutiste

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>>187654314
rip

>>187654604
No one gives a shit that 3 losers liked your tweet to absolutely no one, you're supposed to tag those two in your tweet so it shows up on THEIR feed.

>You can actually take over the Mojave with the yes man quest
Oh...I wouldn't do that... I've worked so hard for the NCR it wouldn't be right. I have to kill this robot and end this madness.

>>187654768
whatver m80, get ur own twitter-shitter if u wanna "do it properly"

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>>187654914
>not becoming the NCRs strongest ally

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These people quite literally have no self-awareness or respect.

>let's poke fun at ourselves for selling inane cosmetic features by selling more inane cosmetic features

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

>>187655080
And yet, despite all the supposed backlash horse armor got, it still sells TO THIS DAY

>>187655206
>And yet, despite all the supposed backlash horse armor got, it still sells TO THIS DAY
Yeah? So do drugs.

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>>187644353
real quick guys, I've got 145 plugins active on Fallout 4 and I haven't even gotten to the weapon mods yet, am I nearing the point of no return or am I good to keep on trucking?

>>187655026
I don't have a twitter, or engage in stupid shitposting. I'm just a non-twitter user teaching you how the fuck it's done, do you not follow any news or watch anything?

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Suggestions for good 10mm Gun replacers for FO4? I know there are a lot on Nexus but what's you /fog/gots favorite?

>>187654914
you fool
yes man is the deux ex machine and cannot be killed by commercial means
(bcuz hes also the way to the "i can't do any other endings due to my extreme and questionable choices" ending)

>Had the achievo enabler so I could use mods
>CC comes out
>broke the enabler
FFS... this shouldn't be a thing in the first fucking place.

Glad you want me to throw money at you for mods that remove my ability to get achievements.

Fuck off bethesda.

>>187655080
His tweets are exactly like someone arguing on 4chan

>>187655058
You can't do that, according to the wiki you have to force the NCR out of hoover dam.
It would be swell if you could take the mojave, give it to the NCR and just control New vegas.

>>187655262
The point is they know exactly that they can realse this shit and make tons of cash off it despite internet backlash.

That takes more awareness then backing down to the internet simply because they are loud, without actually knowing if the claims or sales are true or not.

>>187655367
Plugin limit has been raised to 250 since Skyrim and you're never going to find that many mods for FO4.

>>187655367
How?

There aren't even 100 good mods between Oblivion, Fallout 3, NV, Skyrim, and Fallout 4 combined

>>187655465
He argues in /fog/ all the time. In fact he's probably reading this right now.

Hi Pete.

>>187655532
>The point is they know exactly that they can realse this shit and make tons of cash off it despite internet backlash.
Woah jeez, thanks for explaining that to me. Had absolutely no idea that Bethesda is essentially a whore.

>That takes more awareness then backing down to the internet simply because they are loud, without actually knowing if the claims or sales are true or not.
So they're either unaware of their own stupidity or they're consciously aware of it and don't care.

Both of those are bad.

>>187655465
It's a known fact Pete posts here.

>>187655696
>So they're either unaware of their own stupidity or they're consciously aware of it and don't care.
Its stupid to be aware that the internet are eternal whiners who hate everything, and that you shouldn't take them seriously?

>>187655687
I have like 30 sexmods for skyrim alone man step it up

>>187655696
>a corporation's bottom line is money

Woooooow

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>>187655735
oh god what
since when
is there a source for this

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>>187655857
>the supposed backlash horse armor got
>internet whiners
Pete, you've had enough internet for one night. Just calm down.

>>187655857
Go to bed Pete.

>>187655735
[citation needed]

>>187655904
Fucking how? why? sex mods in Bethesda games are worse then even bad SFM loops

>>187655945
Bethesda hasn't gotten a single cent from me since 2007 and I'm certainly not the only one. They could actually make more money by being a competent video game company, but sure, I'm not allowed to complain about half finished games being released anyway.

>>187656160
>They could actually make more money by being a competent video game company
If Bethesda weren't competent they would be making as much cash as they are.

The fact TES and Fallout sell by the boatloads is proof they know exactly what they are doing as a game company.

>>187655575
I ask because once I hit around 139 on New Vegas, the game took a shit on me and I want to avoid that situation

>>187656298
>If Bethesda weren't competent they would
wouldn't*

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>>187656303
Don't worry about that anon, the game is going to take a shit either way.

>>187656160
>some guy on the internet happily pirating our games doesn't like what we're doing
>our actual customers are giving us thunderous applause and more profit than ever before
>hmm better bend over and stop having corporate motivations as a corporation

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>>187656465
>our actual customers are giving us thunderous applause

>>187655945
The issue is, how they make that money.
Making quality content worth paying for vs carny tactics.

>>187656451
O-Ok, thanks A-Anon

>>187656298
nobody is denying the marketing & suits behind the games are top notch, we're denying the people MAKING the games are top notch.

>>187656654
>Implying they aren't
Probably broke half a million sales already

Just because the vocal minority says one thing doesn't mean the silent majority are listening or following along.

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>>187655441
>Download the enabler again and reinstall it
>fallout 4 refuses to open now.

I shouldn't have to work around to get achievements in a game I bought Bethesda that you fully allowed modding in, to the point you're going to allow (force) people to pay for them.

Go fuck yourselves.

>>187656704
No, that isn't the issue at all. Not to a corporation. You know there's a reason they're treated as separate legal entities? They're not human just because they have human parts, they're systems whose purpose is to feed and grow, and feed and grow, by any means necessary.

The issue is, "what makes us profit," and the answer is "catering to the better demographic"

>>187656763
>we're denying the people MAKING the games are top notch.
People on console, who had no access to mods until recently, wouldn't be playing the games for hundreds of hours if the developers weren't doing their job correctly.

Hell, I know MANY PC players who never play anything but vanilla and have more then 1,000 hours in these games.

You may not like how the game is made, but that doesn't make Bethesda incompetent.

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>>187656465
>>187656831
>our customers are giving us thunderous applause
Actually Pete, if you look at your Twitter feed you'd know the opposite to be true. Go look at the dislike/like ratio for the CC video.

Go look at any gaming journalism site talking about CC. Even they can't stop saying paid mods.

http://f4se.silverlock.org/

oh look, a new version was uploaded

>>187656303
The plugin limit for FO3 and NV was 150 but since NVs masterfiles and DLC plugins didn'T consistently counted from 00 upwards you were technically limited to only 139 plugins, so your game would shit the game past that.

You're now at a theoretical limit of 255 plugins.

>>187656990
> They're not human just because they have human parts, they're systems whose purpose is to feed and grow, and feed and grow, by any means necessary.
That would be true if we lived in free-market societies, which we don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUpw9KnTYsM
More unreleased CC stuff apparently
>Ports from DOOM
>More Pipboy skins
>That auto-axe from The Pitt
>Tunnel Snakes outfits

>>187657049
Again, for the daft.
A vocal minority trying to spark outrage means nothing when the silent majority will eat it right up.

>>187657214
>it's not true because we don't exist in a theoretical economic state

Reality check senpai, it is true, regardless of where we are on the spectrum, a corporation has a function and that function is not to pander to the pirate who feels alienated.

>>187657214
If we lived in a free market society Creation Kit would be proprietary locked and need a payed subscription to ensure no other content but Bethesda approved Creation Club DLC would be allowed.

>>187657318
If you think you're educating me on why Bethesda is doing this you can save the energy your expelling from your chubby fingers.

I'm saying this is a scummy business venture, and it is and just perfectly spells out how shameless this company is.

>>187657592
>Reality check senpai, it is true
It's not true at all.

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>>187657272

>>187657592
>he doesn't know that most first world nations have laws on ethical business practices
Besides the point that Bethesda probably isn't breaking any laws the entire point we're making is paid mods are wrong and have always been wrong.

It would de different if the mods were actually QA'd like they said they would, and if they actually looked better than the free ones you can already download on the Nexus.

>>187657693
>now it's just not true because I say so

Well, it is true, so how about that?

>>187657693
>I'm saying this is a scummy business venture
As apatehtic I am to creation club, and modding in general, I don't really see how its scummy when
A. Games like the sims have been doing it for years and no one cares
B. Many modders have asked for legal ways to make cash off of their work,. and are finally getting it
C. Normal free modding/mods isn't being restricted in any way.

It literally changes nothing beyond adding a new venue for those who chose to take it.

>>187657272
>no doom shotgun
Why even bother?

>>187657942
>this somehow changes the fact that a corporation's purpose is to make profit by making profit-driven decisions and by NOT giving a fuck what the people stealing from them think of their policies

>>187657693
>I'm saying this is a scummy business venture
>and it is and just perfectly spells out how shameless this company is.
Bethesda has been scummy for fucking decades. This isn't anything new, there is no sudden epiphany. It's what a company fucking does. Have you not seen how the game industry treats customers? We're walking piggybanks to them and they don't care what they have to do to get their money.

>>187658025
If you knew anything about Sims modding you'd know how the paid mods venture there literally killed the community when everyone started jealeously gating and guarding their assets and accusing others of stealing ideas.

Ever since Bethesda started with paid modding, the Sims example has been the strongest argument against people claiming that literally nothing is going to change.

>>187658316
I've been trying to make this point for like 5 posts, he won't get it.

>>187658337
>when everyone started jealeously gating and guarding their assets and accusing others of stealing ideas.
Which they have every right to do.

And if it killed the modding community, then maybe it should have died in the first place.

>>187658273
>complaining isn't going to change anything so just bend over and take it xD
Not him but let people voice their dissaproval m8.

>>187658025
>It would de different if the mods were actually QA'd like they said they would, and if they actually looked better than the free ones you can already download on the Nexus.

>>187657991
It's not true just because you say it is. You have to be a complete moron to not understand how much of a role government has in the economy and the market.

But go ahead, prove to me there is an absolutely free-market with no legislature curtailing any kind of immoral business practices.

>>187658273
>NOT giving a fuck what the people stealing from them think of their policies
If you have to presuppose I'm stealing from Bethesda to make a non-point go right on ahead.

>>187658316
>Bethesda has been scummy for fucking decades. This isn't anything new
I'm not saying this is new. Just because a company has been being scummy for close to a decade doesn't mean it's unwarranted to talk about their extended scummy business practices in the current year.

Fuck off with this complete non-argument.

Is there a mod to bring companions to zion canyon? I have like 7 companions(relaxing at rancho villa) and i'm too lazy to tell them to fuck off and then go pick them up again.

>>187658601
>and if they actually looked better than the free ones you can already download on the Nexus.
From the pics I've seen, the hellfire armor, minus the clipping, looks far better and more fitting to the rest of the game in CC then it does on nexus.

Same with the Chinese stealth armor.

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>>187658025
>it literally changes nothing
>>187658532
>well maybe it does change something but it literally doesn't matter

>>187658532
>Which they have every right to do.
You have a right to fuck over your customers, but why would you do that? People are more willing to buy quality products that unquality products, but they're even more willing to download free mods that happen to be better quality that the paid mods.

I wonder why that's the case. It's almost like there's this concept called rational self-interest.

>>187658601
>If you have to presuppose I'm stealing from Bethesda to make a non-point go right on ahead.

You said yourself you've been pirating their titles since 2007

>But go ahead, prove to me there is an absolutely free-market with no legislature curtailing any kind of immoral business practices.

Why the fuck would I bother to do that, you injected this into the discussion yourself and it has nothing to do with the function of a corporation. I'm the one that told you that a pure free market society exists only theoretically.

>>187658745
Personally i like the CC textures but unocticums mesh is far superior. Also free so there's that.

>>187658753
>well maybe it does change something but it literally doesn't matter
Nice straw man.

I said if the sims modding community collapse then maybe it should have died, that does no change my belief it wont change shit for TEs/Fallout

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>>187646670
>not downloading unoctims much higher quality version for free

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>>187658815
>People are more willing to buy quality products that unquality products,
Oh come one now. This is the same industry that makes bank off selling reskinned golden guns and pre-ordering for extra hats.

>>187658745
False.

>>187658843
>You said yourself you've been pirating their titles since 2007
No, I said Bethesda hasn't gotten a single cent from me you paranoid faggot.

God damn Pete, you do realize I can choose NOT to buy your bad games and totally-not paid mods, right?

>>187658815
Because asking that you pay money for things people worked on isn't screwing over your customers unless you every single thing you have to buy is screwing you over because you have to buy it.

The only people it screws over is people who think they deserve everything for free, and those kind of people don't buy games in the first place, so the developers have no reason to care about their opinions.

I would unironically pay for things from their other games like a Quake rocket launcher

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>>187658997
I'm not using either because i don't want to look like a pig, i just want to seed the first wave of paid mods as far and wide as possible for the non-goys.

>>187659056
So you're here, assblasted over the Fallout 4 Creation Club, and you have never touched fallout 4, new vegas, or skyrim.

Your opinion is even less relevant than I'd previously thought.

>>187659045
People are more willing to buy quality products that unquality products, and they're more willing to accept free and better quality products.

Prove me wrong would you please.

>>187659069
>Because asking that you pay money for things people worked on isn't screwing over your customers unless you every single thing you have to buy is screwing you over because you have to buy it.
That is until the Hellfire and Chinese Stealth armour suddly diapeear off the Nexus, which you know Bethesda would want to do in a heartbeat if it meant more precious toddbux being bought.

>The only people it screws over is people who think they deserve everything for free, and those kind of people don't buy games in the first place, so the developers have no reason to care about their opinions.
It could be argued that I deserve sections of the game that were taken out to be bought and sold later as DLC, but I won't argue that.

>>187659268
>I have to buy mods for my opinion to be relevant
solid and sound reasoning lad

>>187659496
That's not what he said even remotely.

>>187659334
>It could be argued that I deserve sections of the game that were taken out to be bought and sold later as DLC,
This would be an argument if anything so far actually had been cut out from the vanilla game.

Nothing shown was.

>That is until the Hellfire and Chinese Stealth armour suddly diapeear off the Nexus, which you know Bethesda would want to do in a heartbeat if it meant more precious toddbux being bought.
This is ah ilarious level of paranoia.

Especially given that Bethesda has support projects like Skyrim, and MorrOblivion, which are highly illegal under the EULAs of the creation kit.

Bethesda does not, nor have they ever, given a flying fuck what modders do.

>>187659571
This coming from the guy trying to say I'm pirating his precious games and or didn't even play them. You're ultra paranoid, even for Pete standards.

>>187659334
>Prove me wrong would you please.
I just fucking did.

>>187659697
>assumes samefag
>calls others paranoid
fucking lel

>>187659697
>getting refuted left and right
>starts calling everyone that replies Pete Hines
>calling people paranoid

Keep spiraling, if nothing else it's good entertainment.

Did anyone ever actually post proof that Pete Hines posts here? or is that one of those claims were everyone "just knows"?

>>187659817
You actually didn't refute the particular line I said in my post, but you're more than welcome to.

>>187659895
>>187659921
Sorry I assumed the two anons spouting the same nonsense to be the same nonsensical person.

>>187660062
It's a fucking joke you clown, calm down Pete.

>>187658025
>A. Games like the sims have been doing it for years and no one cares
Holy shit blatantly lying on the Internet.

>B. Many modders have asked for legal ways to make cash off of their work
They already had perfectly legal ways to make cash before though.

>C. Normal free modding/mods isn't being restricted in any way.
Zenimax has changed the EULA of the Creation Kit THREE times within the last 12 months alone, each time shifting legal liability to modauthors while stripping them of the few property rights they had.

>>187659921
>getting refuted
Not him but neither of you is refuting anyone since either side is just spouting assumptions and opinions.

Any mods to turn the female lead into a loli in fallout 4?

>>187660184
>Holy shit blatantly lying on the Internet.
Nice explanation of how its a lie there anon.

>They already had perfectly legal ways to make cash before though.
Actually no they didn't, as any use of paypal or patreon was illegal, and at least one modder got shut down for it.

>Zenimax has changed the EULA of the Creation Kit THREE times within the last 12 months alone, each time shifting legal liability to modauthors while stripping them of the few property rights they had.
Mod authors have no property rights anon.... what makes you think something made with tools and resources not your own belongs to you?

I knew mod authors were egotistical, self absorbed, fuckwads, but this is beyond belief.

>>187660184
>Holy shit blatantly lying on the Internet.
>TF2
>CSGO
I think even DOTA 2 does it

CSGO has weapon skins that sell for literally hundreds of dollars, and sell like hotcakes.

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>>187660424
No.

>>187660442
>Actually no they didn't, as any use of paypal or patreon was illegal, and at least one modder got shut down for it.
Why?

>>187660442
>I knew mod authors were egotistical, self absorbed, fuckwads, but this is beyond belief.
wew lad, way to disparage the people who actually take time out of their lives to make your game actually playable.

>>187660601
Does CSGO, DOTA 2 and TF2 have modding capabilities that allow to to receive those items from volunteer modders for free?

>>187660129
>You actually didn't refute the particular line I said in my post
Fine, here.

Except I did exactly that by pointing out people will buy shit just because it has some shit item no matter the quality of the game. Look at Destiny and how quickly that died. If you need another example then levy any quality game against Skyrim or Fallout 4 with their shit models, godawful stories, boring quests, terrible textures and animations so bad an indie studio would blush.

So, is F4SE up to date?

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How many of the 37 unique IPs here are Pete?

Am I Pete?

>>187660937
Someone said an update came out.

>>187660442
>Nice explanation of how its a lie there anon.
You made the unprovable claim in the first place you knucklehead

>Actually no they didn't
Actually yes they did.Zenimax forbids the use of f.e. Patreon to fund a specific project, but they have no legal handle to stop a modauthor from setting up a Patreon to get support in general.

>>187660601
I was talking about Sims you nig.

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Post your best todds

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>>187661060

>>187660937
>http://f4se.silverlock.org/archive/
Last update was back in June, so no.

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>>187660920
>Except I did exactly that by pointing out people will buy shit just because it has some shit item no matter the quality of the game
It's like you're really not understanding that the paids mods are lower quality compared to the free mods, which is why we all have our panties in a knot.

>durr it's your right to buy bad things
I'm not disputing that, but selling bad things is an stupid way to run a business.

>>187661060
shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>187660915
>wew lad, way to disparage the people who actually take time out of their lives to make your game actually playable.

I love this meme
>The game is unplayable without mods!
>Which is why people on the console and the tons of PC players who don't play with mods are able to play it for so long!

This is the sort of ass backwards egotism and self absorbed bullshit I was talking about.

People who think if the game isn't built exactly the way they want it, it means its unplayable for EVERYONE!

The next argument is
>Everyone who doesn't like the mods I have just has shit taste, or is an idiot!

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>loverslab and CC partnership
>official sex mods
Would you buy them then?

>>187661150
>You said games like the sims.
No i actually didn't because that wasn't me. I know this is your first day here Pete but Anonymous is not a Username.

>>187661020
I deleted the post replying to you because I thought you were the other retard. apology for poor reading

>>187661174
>Which is why people on the console and the tons of PC players who don't play with mods are able to play it for so long!
Remember that console owners just recently got their mods, and anyone who pays a FO game on PC without mods is just uninformed about how much better their game could be, and it's literally thanks to people who use their amatuer skills without pay sometimes.

>People who think if the game isn't built exactly the way they want it, it means its unplayable for EVERYONE!
It's built poorly and in FO4's case was filled with player mods we saw in FO3 and NV for over 6 years now.

>Everyone who doesn't like the mods I have just has shit taste, or is an idiot!
No, like I said again they're just uninformed about how much better their game experience would be with people who spend their time to make things work for fun, not money.

That's the difference. Fun. Not money.

>>187661163
>but selling bad things is an stupid way to run a business.

It's not, if it makes them money, which it already has and will continue to. Especially so if they can churn out bad products faster than, say, a mediocre game that took 7 years to disappoint people anyway.

>>187661263
Fuck off

>>187661163
>that the paids mods are lower quality compared to the free mods
They're the same level of quality

>which is why we all have our panties in a knot.
because being contrarian on 4chan is the cool thing to do. You will grasp at any straw as long as it allows you to continue shitposting.

>>187661263
No, becuase sex mods for BEthesda gmaes are always 100% pure ass, with janky animations that make bad SFM loops look like Emmy award winning films, and if they have any sort of "noises" included, they sound like the squeals from a bad JAV.

When there is so much free porn, and better porn, on the internet, you have to be literally retarded to use sex mods for a Bethesda game to get off.

Is this a good Fallout youtuber?

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>>187661464
>sex mods for BEthesda gmaes are always 100% pure ass
Not when Bethesda expirienced QA department puts their competence behind it.

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>>187661445
>It's not, if it makes them money, which it already has and will continue to.
I seem to recall a part in FO3 where some group was rebottling irradiated water and selling it as purified water. As long as their making caps in a voluntary exchange what's wrong huh?

>>187661462
>They're the same level of quality
Stop this. You can actually look at the new Hellfire on the Nexus and the CC Hellfire side by side and know for 100% certainty the Nexus one is better looking.

>because being contrarian on 4chan is the cool thing to do
Yup that's it, I'm not actually debating and arguing my own position I'm just being a contrarian! Whatever makes you feel secure.

>>187661424
>anyone who pays a FO game on PC without mods is just uninformed
Literally called it
>>187661174
>Everyone who doesn't like the mods I have just has shit taste, or is an idiot!

>No, like I said again they're just uninformed about how much better their game experience would be with people who spend their time to make things work for fun, not money.
Its funny you say that becuase the vast majority of mods are the exact opposite of fun, and are usually either tedium, or just bullshit like
>Mods that lets you put any mod on any weapon/armor even if it makes no sense because why not!
Which is only fun if your mentally deficient, and have the attention span of a squirrel

>>187661263
I'll sooner send my money directly to Pete than support LL.

>>187661558
No.

>>187661704
>I seem to recall a part in FO3 where some group was rebottling irradiated water and selling it as purified water. As long as their making caps in a voluntary exchange what's wrong huh?

Absolutely nothing in the vendor's eye, because the vendor in this case is an inhuman system with needs that supersede any human interest.

>>187661713
>uninformed
>shit taste or idiot
Learn words.

>Its funny you say that becuase the vast majority of mods are the exact opposite of fun, and are usually either tedium, or just bullshit like
Is this even an argument? I'd probably actually agree with you, but the difference is those shit mods are FREE mods. Understand?

>Which is only fun if your mentally deficient, and have the attention span of a squirrel
What the fuck are you even going on about?

WHY DID THEY DO THIS

FUCK YOU TODD

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>>187661558
fug

>>187661857
>Absolutely nothing in the vendor's eye
It's almost like we're talking from the perspective of customers and gamers.

>>187661870
>What the fuck are you even going on about?
Your lack of attention span, and the fact that most mods people consider "fun" are actually pretty shit for a laundry list of reasons.

Try to rub those two brain cells together a bit more.

>but the difference is those shit mods are FREE mods
Literally who the fuck cares if its free or not?

Shit is shit either way, and you have no reason to get either.

Zero change either way.

>>187661821
The community on LL is unironically the most helpfull and friendly when it comes to modding i've ever had the pleasure of working with.
Some of them might have a penchance for dog dicks but hey.

>>187661940
I can appreciate that he's not a jew.

>>187662057
>Your lack of attention span, and the fact that most mods people consider "fun" are actually pretty shit for a laundry list of reasons.
We're talking about the Nexus Hellfire and Chinese Stealth Armor mods, which are noticeably better than CC ones.

>Literally who the fuck cares if its free or not?
..............................me.

because I'm a rational being with a rational self interest to not buy things I can get for free and better quality

>Shit is shit either way, and you have no reason to get either.
Literally a MODS ARE SHITTY ANYWAY non-argument.

>>187662057
Hey that's just, like, your opinion man.

>>187662030
You're free to do that, just understand that everything you're getting flustered about is done by design, and that your desires mean less than nothing to the people that have any agency over what you're complaining about, and that no amount of poorly thought out arguments and exhibitions of the Dunning-Kruger effect on a cambodian cross stitching forum that gets archived every day is going to do anything to effect the change you want to see.

>>187662307
>which are noticeably better than CC ones.
I honestly disagree, and think the nexus hellfire armor textures look like complete ass when compared to the rest of the game, while the CC one actually looks like it belong in the game.

>because I'm a rational being with a rational self interest to not buy things I can get for free and better quality
THEN DON'T BUY IT! What are you bitching about? No one is making you pay for any of this.

>Literally a MODS ARE SHITTY ANYWAY non-argument.
Except it is an argument. If its shit, you have no reason to get it, which means you have no reason to care if there is a free version, a bought version, or both.

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>>187662459

>>187662098
The site is concentrated hypocrisy.
>if you like loli you are literally Hitler
>hol up, let me show you this bestiality rape mod
I got banned for taunting them with loli mods, the butthurt was great.

>>187661940
>>187661836

>>187662563
I have to stop arguing with you because your inability to actually read someone's post without strawmanning some bullshit argument is too much for me to handle.

Might give me an aneurism.

>>187660424
Yeah, if you know where to look. :^)

>>187662734
>gets rekt repeatedly by several posters
>S--S-S-STOP STRAW MANNING ME GUYZ!

>>187662658
>rape of any kind is more acceptable than loli appreciation

I'm not a fan of either but welcome to the West, nothing makes sense

>>187662845
>gets rekt repeatedly by several posters
Nowhere did you rekt me, and even if a million posters were disagreeing with me doesn't mean I'm wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Just had to explain that to you.

Creation Club got released on Steam today.
Anyone buy it yet? Is it worth it?
It allows you to get achievements when you have these "mods" on and that's the only reason I haven't used mods yet so I am considering getting it.

>>187662845
Not him but the tired old "Don't like it,don't buy it :^)" argument has never rekt anyone in any discussion regarding chummy business tactics.

I fucking hate it when people argue on /fog/ because each side always has at least one person who just shits up the place and either
>calls everyone Todd or Pete
>accuses the other person of being a redditor
>repeatedly uses ad hominems

>>187663043
no, none of it is worth it. its a huge shameless cashgrab. it's paid mods 2.0 but maybe even worse. if you're concerned over achievements being locked by mods, just get the achievement unlocker on the nexus.

>>187663105
Calm down Pete.

>>187663105
debate etiquette isn't taught in many high schools.

>>187663105
>I fucking hate it when people argue on /fog/
It's almost like if CreationClub wasn't shit and a retarded business idea we wouldn't be arguing about in your Fallout waifu general.

I mean Heaven forbid we discuss things happening within the game series we all happen to love.

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>>187661940
>20+ autistic man
>Creates pewdiepie tier cringe vids that only autistic 12 year olds watch
>good fallout youtuber

>>187663043
>cheevo faggots
I'm sure the CC is right up your alley old chum. Stock up on those Bethbux.

>>187663198
I wouldn't feel satisfied if I got achievements due to mods though. It feels like cheating imo.

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>>187663043
I too am very interested in purchasing some Creation Club Credits so I can get my hands on these thoroughly curated and quality made mods.

>>187663376
But anon, they're not mods :^)

>>187663376
by achievement unlocker i meant the mod that makes it so achievements are no longer locked by using mods. you earn them legitimately.

>>187663274
Speak for yourself faggot i fucking hate Fallout.

>>187663359
>cheevo
What does this mean?

>>187663029
>doesn't mean I'm wrong.
You have yet to make any substantive argument beyond
>I have enough self respect to noy buy shit I can get for free
And the answer to that is... ok then, don't buy it.

It's literally that easy.

>>187663043
It sure is worth it, fellow anonymous fourchan user, I have already purchased all of the available content in Bethesda's wonderful Creation Club, as have all of my friends and family.

>>187663548
Who the fuck riddles their arguments with logical fallacies and expects substantive arguments?

>>187663481
Yeah, I know, but I still wouldn't feel good if I unblocked achievements and then only earned them because of things I acquired via mods. I feel more fulfilled if I beat the game fully vanilla.
>>187663426
I'm talking about legit Nexus mods. I don't use them because I want to beat the game and get all the achievements fully vanilla but CC seems like a nice loophole.

>>187663481
does it work retroactively? I'm becoming a cheevo slut and it slightly bothers me.
>>187663507
achievement=cheevo there was some guy who may or may not be pretending to be an idiot that coined or popularized the term

Trainwiz put your name back on you shill

>>187663739
>I'm talking about legit Nexus mods.
No you're not, you're talking about CC.

>>187663807
>achievement=cheevo
Thanks, senpai
This is only my second day on this board so I'm not up to date on the terms

>>187663739
You do realize you can just use the mods that make the game more aesthetic and don't give you an advantage right?

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>it's not a joke
>on-hard-disk DLC is a thing
Wake me up.

>>187663638
But my good friend Tod... Anonymous, how do I obtain these credits to enjoy such great content?

>>187663838
K

bethesda is going to get away with this arent they

>>187663945
You really thought it wasn't true? I thought everyone knew hat after the abortion that was Destiny

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>using free mods feels like cheating
>using paid mods seems like a good alternative
is this bait

>>187661558
FatalKrouzer

>>187664035
Probably because for every person you have trying to raise awareness you have a handful of faggots parroting "it doesn't matter just give up"

>>187663906
Yeah, but then I wouldn't get the achievements.
I know I could then use the unblocker but I still wouldn't feel "fulfilled" unless I get all the achievements on vanilla. Only then will I get mods, but CC is a nice loop hole so I will probably use that

>>187664107
I write directly to Todd everytime I download a mod to ask for his spiritual permission to use it in his Fallout games.

>>187663660
>Who the fuck riddles their arguments with logical fallacies
Given all the logical fallacies you have used thus far.... you obviously seem too.

>>187664107
It's a dumb thing to say, but most mods, and people who use them, generally tend to be retarded.

>>187664169
You know you should be less obvious with your bait. Congrats on failing

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>>187664169
Holy fuck just stop posting you're actually too autistic and retarded even for /fog/.

>>187664107
It's not bait. I'm just really fucking new.
The CC is official Bethesda stuff kinda so it won't feel like cheating. They are more like mini DLC's

>>187663994
Well I'm glad you asked, fellow anonymous fourchan user, all you have to do is update Fallout 4 and purchase credits through PSN, Xbox Live or Steam, then you'll be set to purchase all of the great content available through the ingame marketplace!

>>187664249
Name three logical fallacies I committed and source them.

>>187664035
You know it.

>>187664429
Did you not pay attention to the second part of his post? He's baiting you, this is going to be a regular thing for a while to try and push out people who dislike the CC

>>187664429
>Invaded Russia
>In the winter
>Went out like a bitch
Need I say more?

>>187663739
so, you are considering buying toddclub items and unlocking the achievements that way? nani!?!?!? they're literal mods my dude. if you wanna play toddout 4 vanilla play it vanilla.

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>>187661464
But what if you care about the characters, and the relationship is a part of your roleplay.

>>187662852
>a naked person is a big deal
>slaughtering 20 people is normal
It is kinda weird if you think about it this way. Especially since not all nudity is sexual.

>>187662658
>underage stuff is questionable because of consent related things
>rape is by definition a consent related thing
>one is fine the other isn't
uhhh

>>187664520
>Did you not pay attention to the second part of his post?
You mean the part where i shit over mods in general?

How does that correspond to wanting to push out people who dislike the CC?

I was shitting on all mods, Cc included

>>187664559
Napoleon did nothing wrong.

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>>187664361
>craftable late-game gear obtainable at level 1 and some of it just dumped into your inventory at the start of the game
>won't feel like cheating

>>187664361
fucking kill yourself

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>black
>always end up making a white character

>>187664559
You'd honestly think that people would learn that's a bad idea.

>>187664618
>But what if you care about the characters, and the relationship is a part of your roleplay.
If you are that much about characters in a fucking video game you have legit autism and need to be sent to a psych ward

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>>187664708
wow racist much

>>187664618
>But what if you care about the characters, and the relationship is a part of your roleplay.
If your characters actually have decent character to them then it's understandable. But they don't and it legitimately seems like you have some pathological obsession with this character.

>>187664614
But in my autistic mind, I view the CC more like DLCs and it looks like it's got some good stuff. I don't want the CC stuff to help me get achievements, I want it just because some of the stuff looks cool.
My mind works in a fucked way but trust me, it makes sense almost

>>187664843
>THIS ISERARACIST
What did they mean by this?

>>187664559
>Russia is an unconque-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk

>>187664676
>some of it just dumped into your inventory at the start of the game
Well I didn't know it did that. I don't want something like that. I don't want to just be given shit.
>>187664691
I've tried. I've yet to find strong enough rope to hold me and I've now grown an immunity to bleach and car exhaust.

>>187664639
Because it's such a broad strokes statement that directly attacks the vast majority of the thread? Along with the whole "just don't buy them" argument you're either actually retarded in missing the point of why this is shitty or a troll.

Really when you drop such a statement in a thread that has pretty much every screenshot including mods, two modders posting here and people talking and asking about decent mods do you expect people to actually take you seriously?

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>>187664904
>it's got some good stuff
>i view the CC more like DLCs

>>187663807
On the off chance you aren't baiting, it may help you to know that the overwhelmingly vast majority of 4chan users are unhelpful assholes who don't want to bother explaining shit to you and will just keep saying "lurk more" until you'be been lurking for 5 or 6 years

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>>187664904
Stop.

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I can no longer quit Todd's wonderful game.
It's just that good.
send help

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>>187665140