/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>186880797
Objective Roguelike tier list:

Kino tier:
ToME4
DOOMRL
Necrodancer

High tier:
Sil
Brogue
Tangledeep

Mid tier:
Angband and variants
Elona

Low tier:
DCSS
Infra Arcana
Dort Fort

Trash tier:
Cuckmind
Qud
CDDA
ADOM

Nethack tier:
Nethack

>>186880797
I don't get that meme desu.

also
>Minmay makes another "revamp" addon
>It made anothril even more fucking retarded
HOW DOES HE MAKE IT?

If it has no tile graphics and permadeath can't be turned off then it's garbage, no matter what.

>>186880929
minmay is a retard normal/adventure shitter, so there's absolutely no surprise that he doesn't know how to make good tome classes

>>186880929
Did he at least fix the negative regeneration bullshit?

>>186881283
He removed resources.
Instead you align.
Except one align (light) is crap and the other is GOAT (darkness, lmao +retard all damage)

>>186881427
This could work if instead of aligning, you'd balance.
If you are deep in the darkness, you can only use light and vice versa.

>>186881607
Well yes, that's what you do.
Except the states are:
+resist all damage (hahahaha)
+all damage AND saves

You just have to weave light-dark-etc, in theory, if not because +damage is so good you nearly never want to be light. Except if you're being trucked but if anyone trucks an anothril they're dead.

>>186881427
What Anothril needs is a redesign of the offensive spells, because right now 80% of the spells are point blank area attacks centered on the casters.
Which means that you need to bloody hug enemies to deal damage.

And make light>dark conversion instant action or something.

>>186881742
Doesn't light have some badass instants?
Or are they not enough to matter?

>>186882319
HAD.

>>186882363
And no spammy procs or anything like that?

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>>186882718
Kinda but... RNG.

And yes, pretty much EVERY SINGLE SPELL shifts your fucking alignment.

>>186882718
anorithil had the best spammy proc in corona so if minmay removed it he's truly retarded

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>>186883054
Nucorona.

I NEED THE NEW DDA STABLE

IT'S SO CLOSE I CAN ALMOST TASTE IT

hey /rlg/, tell me what race/class to run in poschengband
something fun pls

>>186883905
lazy snotling tourist

>>186883905
Shalore Archmage (Wildfire)

>>186883905
Snotling berserker

>>186883905
Minotaur Berserker

>>186880925
>TOME over Crawl
lol

>>186884485
crawl is kusoge and lacks depth
go back to your tab simulator shitter

>>186884787
yea bro fighting those level scaled drakes and golems and skellingtons over and over again for 20 hours in TOME is WAY more in-depth

>unironically recommending crawl over anything
Is this the part where we point and laugh? I'd rather play nethack or one of its variants.

>>186885324
nethack is a meme tho

>>186885324
Nethack at least has that comfy wiki-reading right? Crawl really is a joke.

>>186884992
(You)

>>186885324
There is literally nothing wrong with Crawl.

>>>/italy/

>>186886118
vaffanculo

>>186886041
t. dpeg

>>186886264
cu

Never forget.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gah8FnYSypk&t=0s

>>186886608
Fuck off Tangledev go back to making your game instead of shilling shitty anime

>>186885498
But I like memes

>>186885835
Why wiki-read when you can source dive?

>>186883905
android rune knight

>>186883905
Scout and blue mage are the only two classes that haven't been beaten

Which of these three playstyles are the worst?

Minion manager, glass cannon, or item-reliant spellcaster?

Your amulet of life saving glows and then crumbles to dust!
Unfortunately you're still playing tangledeep

Has anyone beaten Powder 117 without using Wish?

So what did it take to make everyone realize they hate Crawl?

It used to be the only thing you guys fucking posted about

>>186891696
Only retards who can't get good hate Crawl. Lots of people are in this category.

>>186890790
Glass Cannon.

>>186890790
To me it depends on UI.

I don't mind minions if you just summon them and they start killing things. If you have to command each one individually for it do anything or some retarded thing like ToME4's necromancer, then it's awful.

Glass cannon is only bad if the game is like poschengband and takes 50 hours.

Not sure what the last one is, something like a brogue build with eight staffs and your inventory is constantly full?

I'd say bad summoning interface is the worst easily, otherwise glass cannons because there the boring autism behaviors actually impact your character's success.

>>186891696
Tome 4 autists invaded this general
Also the Crawl devs are dumb goons

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>>186880797
>read up log of CDDA irc
>Coolthulhu says he would fork but would need help

Why exactly aren't you learning C++ and supporting CCDA?

Do you wish the triumph of Evil?

>>186880925
nice bait retard

>>186891696
everyone posted about it while also hating it
now everyone doesn't post about it while hating it
unfortunately all the non-crawl posters died during the 0.20 tournament so now rlg is just full of crawlshitters pretending not to play crawl

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I could use a sustain or 4.

Why is it bright inside my RV? I can't sleep.
I have curtain on the doors, and if I stand next to the door I can't see anything outside.
I double checked and all of the boards on the side and the roofs on the top are intact. Aisle lights and every other light on the car is turned off.

Only modding I did was solar panels on the top and a funnel for rainwater.

>>186894465
why bother when you can just cast psionic healing V for restoration

you DO have psionic healing on a meleepsion, right?

I play a lot of nethack and wanted to give angband a try, but i could't find a way to get it opened in the same terminal, the way nethack opens, on the same terminal that you enter the command, and not in a different terminal window, I also tried to make it open more subwindows with the "=" + "w" options but it seems that the changes i made there didn't take effect.

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>>186892868

>>186894706
They broke something a while ago and you always get daylight inside now, just put on a blindfold for the night

>>186893095
sorry that you can't handle the objective truth with your 3 int MiBe brain

Does the evasion demigod feat in PCB stack with the scout's nimble dodge ability? Super duper breath avoidance would be cool.

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>>186895090
the =w options just change what the extra windows display
toggling the windows to actually be visible is a separate option
on windows you can find them here
on linux i think you might need some command line options or something

>>186894706
Just make a blindfold you dope

>>186896028
the scout's nimble dodge is a chance to completely avoid damage (higher the more open tiles are around you)
demigod evasion simply reduces all breath damage by 10-20%

however the demigod fleet of foot ability does stack with the ninja's quickwalk power, such that walking one tile only costs 1/8th of a turn or so

>>186895952
Yeah, it had some holes on it but it's fixed now. So it will never block light again?

>>186896260
I guess I'll just do that.

>>186894836
Healing V has a restoration effect?
I never knew. Glad its tooltip is exactly the same as the other levels.

>>186897237
yup
Seeing V is clairvoyance
Blending V gives you the shadow-fairy immune-to-aggravation thing
Crafting V brands non-ego items like the Crafting spell does
Protection V gives one elemental immunity
Those are all the special level 5 effects I can think of.

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>>186897791
Yeah, at least for the others it specifies (haven't used blending or Crafting).
Good to know, though I will need a sustain for at least one of int/cha I guess so that getting drained is less likely to kill my fail rate.

Thanks.

Give me one good reason to play Elona.

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>>186898776
You want a game that's just ADOM but worse and more anime.

>>186899057
t.Biskup

>>186898776
You want a game that's just ADOM but better and more anime.

>>186899206
t.Ano

>>186898776
You can insert your daughterfu into the game and give them the attention your parents never gave you

>>186899134
Your point being?

>>186900635
ADOM is shit and Biskup tries to make it look good, that's my point.

>>186896063
Yes, im on linux, gotta search about that command line switch or something, thanks!

>>186898776
Do you like single player mmorpgs?

>>186900961
Maybe

>>186900780
Read the readme.

>>186900724
ADOM's not that bad desu, especially since unlike elona it's actually a roguelike

>>186901535
Haha boobs.

>>186901375
Elona is a roguelike.

Have there been any interesting additions to Crawl since the tournament? I'm scrolling through the trunk changelog and it's just nothing.

>>186902043
no they've given up

xth for yeeks are friends

Roguelikes are for ______

kikes

Is it because they're free?

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Which roguelikes have sexy girls as one of their main features?

>>186905543
I think you're in the wrong general.
But there's always noxico.

>>186905740
I thought this was the roguelike general. I'll check out that one.

>>186905797
no, this is the shitposting and roguelite general with no real roguelike discussion.

>>186905543
Nethack has some.
Check this one out (spoilers for lewds): @

>>186905942
Oh, I must have taken a wrong turn, can you point me to the roguelike general then good anon?

>>186905543
DCSS has lots of sexy girls like Grinder and Ijyb.

>>186905740
>you continue pumping

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No one here knows or plays this game so may I make a separate thread?
From everything I read here ITT it should already be in your pastes since it was the first roguelike ever made for GBA. I want some discussion on this game regarding strategy to win because I can't win without using the "Wish" command and it tells me my scores won't be saved when I cheat with it.

>>186905543
MaiDenSnow Eve
Omega Labyrinth

>>186906023
>>186880797

Do I have to enable bright nights ahead to play with the ranged accuracy unnerf or did Coolthulhu make it a part of the DDA in his build?

>>186906412
it should be fixed with just the build

>>186906412
Cool made a different fork for it, search the forum.

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>>186905543
MaiDenSnow Eve

>>186906412
It's build-dependent.
BA only adds items and colder weather.

>>186906412
Accuracy is part of his engine build. The no-painkillers for CBMs needs to be enabled with a mod though.

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>>186891696
I don't hate crawl, I've just won it in every conceivable way and the devs refuse to add anything new. No reason to go back to dcss and grind winstreaks or whatever when there are new and fresh roguelikes to play.

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>>186904795
Porn.

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oy vey

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>>186910751
>swastikas removed
>this stays in
Hmm. I wonder who could be behind these changes?

>>186906047
>Not Duvessa

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>>186906069
Please someone help. This time I randomly found a legendary ring which let me use Dig (through walls) by walking into them AND granted fast. I died before I could identify the ring but you can figure out some effects through gameplay. It also made me "tired," a status effect I never saw before playing this game.
"Tired" seemed harmless but then while slaughtering monsters I fucking fell asleep as they killed me.

I doubt anyone could beat this game without cheating it's just bullshit how impossible it is.

>Our fucking guy minmay has won insane
>People think his revamp and adons are bad
uuuuh wrong sweetie.

>>186911627
I've never player POWDER but I've heard it's not that hard, you might find tips if you search for them on the internet.

>>186911627
I beat it, though it was one of the earlier versions.
Read the spoilers, there is no fun in figuring out the stupidly complex class system.
Get barbarian outfit as soon as possible and learn which gods are good.

>>186911936
>never played
>it's not hard
Funny how that works. I've heavily utilized the unofficial wiki. I've given myself sets of legendary items using wish (cheating) and then fell through a pit to a lower level into lava.

At least as a non summoner/necromancer who exploits becoming undead this game is substantially more difficult than most other roguelikes.
Probably most of the people calling it easy used Wish repeatedly until they cleared it.

>>186912358
I've HEARD it's not hard, I never said that it was true.

>>186911627
ive only played this once and didnt like it because you can only move 4 way

Is playing roguelikes on permadeath a manly thing? I think so because it's hard and dangerous. Does it help balance out some unmanly things you do? I ask this because yesterday I kissed a guy and I kinda enjoyed it, but I don't consider myself gay, I do a lot of manly things like roguelikes and weight lifting. Am I fine?

>>186912146
I generally want to spec Pax but can't because his no eating unless hungry and only killing undead makes it hard to get EXP, so I start as barbarian (highest HP gain per level) and then switch to Klaskov (fighter god).
I've managed to get the barbarism suit a few times but if riding boots aren't jump boots in that game instance, then you still are gimped.

I believe you somewhat, though, because at least you knew about the barbarian outfit.

>>186912698
Not true with the correct equipment you can move diagonally or also leap through walls with only a diagonal block.

>>186911679
lol minmay is like half the reason insane is shit-easy casual now
the other half are razakai and shibari
if those devs could win it in a version where it was actually deep and difficult maybe they would have opinions worth respecting :)

>>186912981
Is 1.0.4 or 1.0.0 worthrespecting?

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>>186912698
With Barbarian outfit you can not only move diagonally but jump through walls like this (only if riding boots happen to be jump boots, which is random in each game instance).

>>186911679
Nice try minmay. https://te4.org/games/addons/tome/randart-props
Next time do it without cheater addons sweety :) We know you aren't that much of a shitter.

>>186912735
It'd be unmanly to kiss a guy and not enjoy it.

How would you fix tome4, /rlg/?

Things tome does right: Interesting classes with unique resource systems, cool loot, well designed weapons and stats (our 6 stats are way better than dnd's 6 stats, weapons scaling up in different ways with accuracy is interesting), different starting areas giving you different perspectives on the world

>>186914259
Less cluttered bullshit on every item tab

Maybe get rid of the whole infusion//inscriptions juggling being 100% needed to survive anything

>>186914259
Things tome does wrong :
No idea this game looks so ugly I dont even want to try it

>>186912813
I don't recall jump boots being a necessity.
The barbarian god 8 move thing is incredibly useful for kiting. I don't remember how exactly I beat the minotaur (or whatever was that 2x2 monster which is one of the bigger difficulty spikes), but I remember 8dir kiting helping and I might have been using traps.

I tried to win with casters a bunch of times because I really liked the idea of dying to get lich, but I could never get it rolling. The 8dir kiting is just too good.

As for hunger: get that no hunger penalty ability as soon as you can spare a point, regardless of your class. It helps a lot because you can just not eat, ever (unless that was changed).

>>186914468
Can you not play it with ascii anymore?

>>186914454
Inscriptions/Infusions/Injections/Runes are one of the cool things about the game though. How else would a rogue survive anything?

The Magic vs Antimagic system is one of the cool things about the game. We should have anti steam luddites with their own town too.

biggest problem with the game is the popcorn combat.

>>186912735
Is it even a roguelike if it's not permadeath?

>>186914913
Just needs an "autofight tied with "auto explore" for killing all the popcorn

>>186914259
Cut about half the mid-endgame content because it's dumb and redundant, put sawrd back in, remove DG's disgusting fetishes

>>186914994
Roguelikes without permadeath is like gay sex with condoms.

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>>186914691
rate my @'s particle effects

>>186914595
I get kiting using diagonal moves that your opponents can't use but if you don't get lucky with intrinsically in your items you can't see invisible, and ranged enemies can shoot diagonally.
At this point I'm just complaining because I need to get good, I admit.
I don't think I've ever got to the Minotaur even.
Endure Hunger is in one of like 14 different books, but I definitely seek it out not to avoid starvation, but so I can purposely be starving when I kill a mob that's corpse grants a good intrinsic instead of reading "you can't eat (or drink pots) because you are full."
I usually end up dying to a 'deadly poison' or being turned to stone because my God doesn't randomly save me, which kiting with diagonals mostly should solve.

tangledeep

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In C:DDA, do I get any penalties if I carry a bag in one hand (like a swag bag that gives +100 encumbrance to one arm and hand), and use a one handed melee weapon in the free hand?
The other arm has no penalties, but it's still scary seeing 100+ encumbrance in the carrying hand, can I still fight well?

>>186919372
I would guess that you would get penalties even if it's your off hand that's encumbered, because I don't trust any of the devs to implement it properly. I'm not sure, though.
If you think of a way to test it, post your results.

>>186919869
>If you think of a way to test it, post your results.
Doesn't it affect attack speed? Put the bag on off hand, see how fast you swing, switch the side the bag is on, see how the speed changes.

>>186920542
Doesn't attack speed only depend on your weapon's speed and your global speed?

>>186919372
Currently it doesn't matter if the weapon is one-handed or not.
The handedness mechanics are pretty terrible.

>>186919869
>I don't trust any of the devs to implement it properly
There is at least one dev who could manage it.

>>186920705
Also melee skill, hollow bones, martial art bonuses, stamina, encumbrance and dexterity.

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Who's your favorite character? Mine is @, he's a pretty cool guy(girl) who hacks n shit and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>186924757
fuck sigmund, seriously

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>>186925767
don't worry 0.21 will make sigmund a girl so that isn't even gay

>>186924757
Pic related

I leave for a week and everyone's talking about tome when the response used to be some combination of "huh?" and "fuck off". Not complaining, just confused.

Why don't we talk about ADOM instead of all these shitty roguelikes?

>>186928412
We had a month of life support /rlg/ with entire threads filled with
>bump from page 10
Many people don't like ToME, but some do. There is no DCSS chatter to drown them out now.

>>186928515
i dont think adom is good

>>186928654
I don't remember anyone asking you

>>186928626
Makes sense.

>>186928654
shit taste

>>186928712
shut the fuck up thomas

Is ADOM good? Asking for my girlfriend, who is interested in roguelikes.

>>186928824
The only good games in this thread are ToME, Elona and CDDA.

>>186928824
Yeah, it's generally considered one of the best.

Is there a roguelike where you can wiretap the Secret Service and get away with it

>>186930679
That's an oddly specific request.

>>186930679
liberal crime squad but it isnt a roguelike

>>186930679
Well, there's ToME, if you can make some small compromises and replace "wiretap" with "blow up" and "Secret Service" with "demons".

>>186928824
refer to the objective roguelike tier list here
>>186880925

>>186930679
Noxico, but not literally.

>>186928412
good
if you dont like tome you arent welcome here
dcsshitters who have never played a good game can fuck off

>>186932391
what if i have never played a good game but i still play and post about tome anyways

>>186932851
if you've played tome before version 1.5.1, then you've played one (1) good game, friend.

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Cool randart, if I actually had any magic.

Has anyone played enough 7.0 to know how much free action you need by endgame? I haven't been paralyzed with two yet, but I'm only around the mid-thirties in dungeons.

>>186934647
>it reminds you of Boromir
I cry every time

>>186934049
but what if I played tummy

>>186935497
>owning a console

Has anyone beat Tangledeep? Is reclassing at some point a must?

>>186936357
>has anyone beat Tangledeep
Wrong place to ask, this is the roguelite shitter discord not the roguelike goodplayer discord
reclassing isn't required but it's a very good idea since you'll get like 5 times the JP needed to master one job at the moment,
and weapon masteries stop being useful to get eventually

>>186936803
>discord

page 10. dead general

Why is kevingranade such a fuck?
What did he do?

>>186939157
autism

>>186939157
he is a huge fag who hates fun

>>186939593
You just don't understand, CDDA will usher in a golden era of rogue like survival horror rpgs. Kevin has been handcrafting this masterpiece 14 hours a day etc, etc, etc.
Basically STFU

Tangledeep is better than the literal hell that is /rlg/

>>186939124
We should face it, DCSS's lack of changes in the past 2 months have given us nothing to complain about. It was the lifeblood of this general.

>>186939908
So he doesn't accept any form of criticism?
Or is just it just a big fucking circle jerk?

>>186940159
He doesn't accept any form of criticism.

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>>186939908
working as intended

>>186940159
There is no real circlejerk.
There was one before, but nowadays most people either stand up to him until he bans them, or at the very least give "thumbs up" to people who disagree with him.

It's less about him not accepting any criticism. He does accept some of it once in a while.
The problem is, 95% of the changes from him are either irrelevant to gameplay or bad, so he deserves criticism far more often than he accepts it.

He also doesn't get much praise because he doesn't do much to deserve any, so he acts like he's the only one who understands what DDA truly needs. And it clearly needs more bullshit only desired by him, a bunch of autistic rpers and a bunch of autistic simulationists who don't mind utter nonsense.

>>186940785
DDA was doomed from the start.

>>186940159
He just likes his game his way and if you want to change it you better have a good reason for it and some real world examples to back it up. Quite simple really, don't understand all the fuss.

>>186940785
It's great how he can justify making nofunallowed changes citing realism in a game with nether monsters zapping you with rays of instant mutation.

>>186940920
The thing is, he always wraps it up in some different words to avoid calling it realism.
He probably thinks it fools anyone.

will there ever be a version of crawl with all the removed content brought back

>>186943251
Nope
It would be unplayable

>>186943306
That would make it the definitive version of Crawl.

Are there any roguelikes that actually build up to something and have more than just going up and down floors, but aren't stupidly obtuse in getting to the endgame (endgame is a big requirement here)? I want something actually worth playing.

>>186944691
>I want something actually worth playing.
Play with own genitals.

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Why do booze and roguelikes go so well together?

>>186944691
I don't get what you're trying to say, like a storu you mean? Well ADOM is like that but I don't like it, you might though.

>>186944821
It doesn't even really need a story just so long as it's not retardedly openworld to the point where everything is impossible to visit

>>186945038
Well ADOM can be like that actually

Well I dunno, Elona on Inferno mode? You can potentially do everything if you grind hard enough.

>>186944691
ToME

>>186944691
Literally Nethack.
There's items to collect throughout the branching dungeon, puzzles to solve, and once you have the amulet you have to get through the elemental planes.

Fuck it I'm going to play some dcss

Hey I was playing Elona+ and was wondering what the difference between Dodge and Evade is. Also which one is worth picking up?

I've been picking up two levels of Dodge and Evade when playing Gunner.

>>186946013
Keep us updated with your progress, we need something to keep the thread alive.
Go full MuMo. I believe in you.

>>186946102
two levels of Dodge and Agile*

>>186946102
evasion is a skill that increases your DV
Dodge is the name of a feat you can take to get +4 DV
but feats that just give + to stats or skills are mostly a huge waste of your limited feat points except for luck/liferating/maybe speed

>>186946298
What would you recommend then?

>>186946492
well let's see:
The Lucky line of feats can be good, and to a lesser degree Agile (+speed) and Ascetic (+ life rating, increases the multiplier to your total hp)
Vampiric ability is nice. It lets you suck blood from enemies which does lowish damage, heals you for a similar amount, and more importantly, also restores some of your stamina.
You can even use it on pets to refill your sp while doing things like performing or cooking.
Dimensional Move gives you a nice 0% fail phase door power to get out of sticky situations in the early game.
Sexy Dance is apparently pretty good for doing Performer quests.
Knockout lets you reduce enemies to 1hp but never kills them, letting you pokeball things easily.
I've heard that Touch of Sleep is good for pickpocketing monsters in dungeons or something, I think?

>>186946492
Most of the special actions are good.
Jiu-Jitsu can pull some serious shenanigans on an unarmed build against certain opponents.
Blade Strings in particular (I think the feat is called String Assassin or something) is very powerful.
Dimensional Move is always useful.
Zin-Ba or whatever is nice if you're using Riding at all.

>>186947061
>>186947267
Is Quartermaster or Kokou (Independent) any good?

>>186947371
Kokou is good if you don't want to use pets for some reason, but pets are useful as fuck and you should really use them. Especially the god pets.

>>186947371
Kokou gives you a very strong buff but only if you have no allies/pets on the same level.
Pets in Elona are extremely good though, so it's less something you'd want to make a build around and more a consolation prize for deciding to do a gimmick no-pet run.

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>>186947475
Oh or Gravity Control, that seems cool.

>>186947371
I take kokou on every character because I hate playing with pets.

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You HAVE replaced your Elona pet profile pictures with doujin CGs, haven't you, /rlg/?

If I win insane/madness pre 1.5 on tome4 I cam brag right?

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Now this is getting fun

>>186953417
You can win after that version too, but one specific tome autist in arelgee will get mad at you.

>>186953510
But other versions dont have my classbando oozemancer cucker of the assmages.

You are tasked to prive minmay is bad at roguelike dev.
Protip: you cant meat eater

>>186957302
he supports piracy

>>186957391
>piracy is bad
t. Mad tometist.

>>186957302
not a cute girl(male) with cute socks
so automatically bad at dev

>>186958443
>minmay
>not a closet bbc praising tranny like you

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>>186958774
i dont know what youre talking about

Arcane Blade

>>186961097
Badshadow and badventurer.

>finally start doing well as a mage
>get some powerful conjuration spells
>obtain a lajatang of speed
>get killed by spiders after i stepped into water
Guess I'm going back to holding down tab

>>186961245
>Badshadow
Bladeshadow best class no homo. Hail speedy stabber!

>>186963005
NO sawrd.
Dagger only.

>tfw your favorite class is null pack's flenser

TOME is dumb

>>186957302
he's bad at roguelike dev because he doesn't know how to play roguelikes

>>186966739
no ur dumb

>>186967867
But he wins insane consistently AND most of his deaths are to athamathon hr is better by far than aralage

>>186968047
>consistently
>one win using a gorillion cheat addons
go back to shitposting on tavern minmay

>>186968173
Lies and slander. Where is proof?

>>186968247
Here's your (You) https://te4.org/characters/53875/tome/2fcc4041-4959-417e-90f1-48466edfc458
>all those cast speed randarts because of le funny game breaking addon

What's the best tome4 skill tree and why is it combat veteran, with talents that'll singlehandedly keep you alive, and singlehandedly keep more talents coming via stamina recovery. Throw in some spell save and you got yourself a spicy talent tree.

>>186969181
Haaa ohvwow those cheat addons.
>half cost category mastery
>no cat points
>quick meme

>>186969437
Is sawrd an addon?

>>186969726
yes, the dlc are just addons you get jewed into buying

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> CDDA
> decide to explore mine shaft
> tons of spiral tunnels with human snails and twisted bodies
Cool. Like the ambience. Feels a little strange. The acid from the snails hurts so I'll just avoid them
> bottom floor with spiral rooms and "spiral stones" in them
Cool what do these things do? Some way to craft artifacts or something?
> look it up
> they do nothing
Ok see. This is the kinda shit that pisses me off. I got all geared up and was excited for nothing. Wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle, indeed. I WANT this game to be fun. Dammit devs.

>>186948654
I agree, they make the game too easy.

>>186969437
Is sawrd ogre a talent tree?

>>186970178
>he doesn't know about Uzumaki
how dare you post a /co/ reaction image.
How DARE you.

>>186953479
>this tileset
It is physically impossible for me to perceive feces, captain

>>186970178
Spiral stones do nothing, but there should be a panel where you can start an event that can spawn an artifact.

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>>186972259
Yeah ok but a reference to another work does not serve as a stand in for content in a game

>>186973034
Huh. Didn't see anything, but I'll keep looking

What do I need to cut up car tires into plastic?
I tried knives, toolbox, welder, solder, etc.

>>186974815
If it doesn't say you can and you can't with a regular knife, you can't.

>>186974939
I read in other forums that wheels are a source of plastic, but no one said how to cut them up.
Maybe it got nerfed.

>tfw all the faggots complaining about Tangledeep are just running into the antipiracy checks
Is this the true power of /rlg/?

>>186975121
>dongledeepthroat has antipiracy
One more reason not to even bother.
I enjoyed qud, but I'm not going to pay a shekel for something with antipiracy. tangledeep is shit, so it is worth even less.

>>186975121
Antipiracy chrcks?

>>186975121
Damn, the antipiracy hides all the content and mechanics in the game and it's actually not shallow as fuck, boring and devoid of content?

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>>186975012
Have you tried disassembling them? Personally I don't remember them being disassemblable. Also, you cannot cut anythign that also has any metal parts anymore, which is one of the reason why work boots (or whatever the name of the boots that also have a bit of metal at the top) have to be disassembled instead of cut.

It's a stupid system and they're only working around it instead of fixing it.

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>>186976015
>that neckbeard's face

>>186976254
He has no neckbeard though

>>186976538
He has one in his heart

>tanglecucks and caves of cucks defending shallow paid roguelikes
So this is what /rlg/ has become

Name ONE thing more bullshit than paralysis

>>186977217
permadeath

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>a town of this size
>5 (five) gun stores
>when you already nutted but she keeps sucking

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>>186977969
> using guns ever
> using entry level 9mm .223 or .45 garbage

>>186978329
>not shooting all of your weak ammo, if nothing else for hunting dogs to train your weapon skills so you can actually hit with your expensive ammo

>>186977969
>guns
>useless loot that take a tile in your deathmobile and that you never use

>>186978426
>not considering the value of having fun in a sandbox game as opposed to just roadkilling everything
No wonder you guys hate this game.
I have all my guns sorted into a separate tile based on what ammo they use and the ammo next to them, so I can instantly see if I have collected 100+ of a certain kind of ammo, then I switch to that weapon.

>>186977217
paralysis that lasts for 1-2 turns but checks your dodging skill on each save

dodging is reduced to zero when paralyzed

>>186977152
>cuck cuck cuck cuck
dcsshitters please leave

>>186978592
>collecting trash
>fun
If you want fun, try bionic patient and die before deathmobile stage
Hauling guns you will never use is not fun

>>186977217
ToME debuffs in general. Mainly because the developer is a fucking braindead retard who thinks that the best way of adding difficulty is to spawn level 50 enemies against level 20 people, and then the difference of stats makes your saving throws literally useless.
If something is bullshit, try 9 (nine) rounds length stun, silence, daze, etc.
Oh you can remove it with an infusion. And it's applied again in the next turn. GG OUTPLAYED

>have lots of guns but no ammo for them
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

>>186978592
I also collect guns because Im a dirty hoarder, but I never use them, too much noise, and useless against big hordes. Sometime I grab a shotgun for tactical retreats if Im going somewhere dangerous, but mostly I just use my forged weapons or martial arts.

>>186978905
But I use guns all the time. Why the hell wouldn't you use them? Always have a rifle on me, and a pistol in my ankle holster. And then some spare ammo or guns in my car.

>>186979042
Don't sneak into the middle of the town and start shooting. You work your way slowly from the edge.

>>186978421
> Hey hordes! Can you guys hear me? I'm over here!
> No, by the gun store! Yeah, I've got holsters and ammo pouches on, so I can't dodge or run for shit!

>>186978592
My beef is that role playing conducts can be really difficult to get off the ground. Also guns are just not worth it to me unless I need a hulk buster

>>186978976
Acquire moral
Procure valuable
Claim enjoyable

>>186979154
>> Hey hordes! Can you guys hear me? I'm over here!
Kill the normal zombies with your sword.
Kill specials with guns.
Let them come.
Always works for me.

>>186979132
I feel like they should be buffed at close range. Who misses a target a meter away with a pistol? Also I can't fire while backing up from a brute or something without having to completely resteady my aim. Which sucks

>>186979154
>not pouring gasoline all over the ground in preparation
>not letting them walk right into your trap

>>186979619
Try shooting someone as he's beating the shit out of you and you1re reflexively trying with defend yourself with your arms.

>>186979619
>I feel like they should be buffed at close range.
Are you talking about kdda or ccda?
Because in kdda they should be buffed at any range, not just close.

>>186979132
>You work your way slowly from the edge
My spawn settings are too high to do this, it would take several days to clear a few blocks of a town. I just go in at 150+ km/h, run out and grab valuable shit, and get the fuck out before more zombies come and prevent my car from moving. After some time its easier, sometimes there are some space in the town where the hordes have wandered away so you can actually take your time and loot properly.

>>186979750
Ok, I get that it would be tough if the nagas on top of me or something, but if I'm back pedaling and kiting zombies into bushes and shit? I mean, zombies aren't smart enough to know "oh I'd better overwhelm him before he takes two steps back and aims for the general vicinity of my torso." I mean zombies already don't react to pain, just make headshots way more effective than torso shots to reward aiming at long range

>>186980004
>guns suck because I fucked up the game's balance on purpose

>>186979868
I actually am using an older experimental from before Kevin broke shit, and it doesn't seem like there is really any reason to upgrade yet. Has there been content added at all in CCDA?

>>186980164
>but if I'm back pedaling and kiting zombies into bushes and shit?
That works in the game just fine.
Don't expect super aimed shots while you're running, though. Walking is not fast enough on default settings.
But if you separate 4-5 tiles away and stop, you have time to aim your shots a bit.

>>186980329
Ok but the out of the box spawn settings can be pretty boring. I had mine changed for the longest time before I used pk's rebalancing

>>186978976
use movement infusions you literal shitter, nothing except stun is dangerous

>>186980573
Silence, disarm and daze are pretty bad too.

>>186980392
No more content is being added cause they want to release a new stable version

I WANT TO FUCK A DRAGON

I WANT A DRAGON TO GIVE ME A BLOWJOB

I WANT A DRAGON MOM AND COMMIT INCEST WITH HER

That's got to be the first post in /rlg/ this year I completely agree with.

AND I WANT HER TO GIVE ME A NURSING HANDJOB

>>186983669
easy

>learn transmutations
>master dragon form
>kys
>worship hepliaquana

Now summon your dead ghost and fuck him in dragon form

>>186987535
>DCSS

>>186983669
You can literally do all of this in Elona+

>japan

>>186987929
Well I guess I finally found a good reason to play the game, I suppose I'm gonna have to update those monstergirl packs myself though, unless the vanilla dragons are sexy too.

>>186978989
shoot peanuts at them

>>186978989
>find a gun shop with four ammo vending machines
I'm set for a while.

i'm scared, guys

>>186992903
strg+q fast before the monsters can kill you

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Remember that even during a zombie apocalypse, you should take time to dispose of dangerous trash.

>>186994054
Thanks anon! I deleted my CDDA files just now because the game is trash!

doing the sandworm lair as a sandworm is pure kino. thanks posssesor

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>>186977152
Tangledeep is shallow as fuck but freeware roguelikes production is too slow to realistically maintain a general as old as this one on their own. How long ago was the last flavor of the month? OWH? Plus is already two years old, and isn't freeware either.

Hell ToME, OWH, and Maidensnow, three great roguelikes, all have a cash component. Dorf Fort has monthly donations to continue its development. Incursion had the potential to be an amazing roguelike but died because it was just an unsupported passion project in the end, as was Whales Cata. Most ongoing freeware roguelike projects are lifted directly off of someone else's game and are just about content development (DDA, every *band or *hack or *IVAN), DemonDev and IAdev won't be around forever unless being respected among neckbeards is the only payoff they need. Elona Plus is a weird exception where infinitely increasing grind is probably its own payoff.

tl;dr, Encourage piracy, but don't discourage monetization. Anyone that actually pays for an indie roguelike (most seem to have like four figure purchases on the high end, so devs are pretty gracious to anyone that so much as twitch views their game) should probably use their position to encourage a reduced investment on art and music assets though. The biggest fucking problem with indie roguelikes is that they have to make detailed visuals for everything and then they end up with NOCONTENT because of the resulting resource bottleneck.

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/rlg/ looks like it's slowly crawling to page 10 every day, but on a closer inspection it's just the movement of the maggots inside the carcass that gives the idea of movement
/rlg/ has died long ago
/rlg/ has been rotting for more than a year now

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>>186996432
Hownew.ru

>>186995871
This really. I think Caves of Qud hits a sweet spot with the graphics being simple quite simple, but still more aesthetically pleasing than other graphical roguelikes.

>>186995880
>waah people no longer exclusively play ascii games

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Enough
I will return when dicks returns
and that is never

Kill yourself while you're at it.

>>186969437
>What's the best tome4 skill tree
race/shalore
followed closely by celestial/light
you know what kills you dead? debuffs that prevent you from using your ohshit buttons
you know what removes shitloads of debuffs? Timeless and Providence

>>186996701
ASCII is objectively better in most games with scarce light because the tiles are way too fucking bright and don't simulate light nearly as well. IA is an exception because they're minimalistic tiles preserve the 90% black aesthetic of ASCII though, conveying the sense of darkness a dungeon has. DCSS tiles are WoW tier glowing caves and cartoon monsters.

>>186997790
>race/shalore
Not with the opportunity cost of not being cornac or ogre factored in
Timeless doesn't do shit for you in the hardest part of the game anyway

>>186997970
Then why do all the pros who actually have madness wins pick shalore over cornacs and ogres?

>>186969437
>>186997790
Possession is easily the highest-power talent tree in the game.

>>186998585
>Source: Your Ass

>>186999041
My ass is a better source than your ass.
You're more full of shit.

>>186999312
>>186999041
ASSFIGHT! ASSFIGHT!!

>>186999041
>>186999312
>>186999585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa5z77EI8y0

>your butt (confuse)

>>186997790
To this day I wonder why the hell Thalore and Ogre got nerfed so badly while Timeless remains broken as hell
>cleanse all bad status, refresh all cooldowns, and double the duration of all your buffs including prodigies

>>187000116
iirc it was nerfed to not work with draconic body

>>187000116
because ogre is still better
before ogre got added timeless worked with a lot of stupid shit like draconic will and unstoppable though

>>187000116
I wish they'd at least make Writ Large 5 give you another size category or something. +1 infusion SLOT is absolutely worthless.

>>187000448
>because ogre is still better
Yeah, that's why everyone with madness wins without sawrd picks shalore over shrek.

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>>186977152
They should defend deep and rewarding paid roguelikes instead

>>186996432
kys

>>186995871
A shallow roguelike might actually be good for the genre as it brings new people in who are usually put of by the high learning curves

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>guns are useless, they said

>>187001725
KERBLAM

>>187001725
They aren't in ccda

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>>187001150
These are the only online-only madness roguelike wins ever recorded. I'm pretty sure they're all Arena too.

>>187001628
That's what DCSS was for

>>187001725
>not just learning judo and throwing hulks to death

>>187001150
t. Mex
i won ogre brawler and sawbutcher a few months ago and paradox mage but race doesn't matter much there since it breaks madness anyway
and 1.5 made it so you can skip the prides so lol at madness having any real difficulty now

>>187002178
it's still ugly as fuck. The free tilesets all take some time to get accustomed to them

>>187002178
Dicss isn't on steam though
Normies love steam

Also how do I prevent autopickup in CDDA from wasting my turns picking up empty bullet casings when I'm trying to run to get some room?
Do I have to turn the whole thing off every time I get into combat?

>>187002178
>>187002695

Exactly, paradoxically if you pay for something it might become more popular solely because of it (because if it's cheap it must suck, right?)

I still think we should just switch to MUDs.

>>187002987
We could play HellMOO together

>>187002816
Have it turn off when not in safe mode?

What kind of shenanigans can Paradox Mages get up to during the 3 free turns from Time Stop?
It seems like a neat spell but paradox mages don't seem to have enough buffs and debuffs to really take advantage of it.

And while i'm at it, how do the clones from Temporal Fugue work? Do you get to control all three, or are two just AIs?

Seems like it would be fun or at least funny to go spatial tether-> temporal fugue and then spam knockback spells from all 3 clones.

>>187004016
you know, I've heard a ton of shit about hellmoo but maybe it'd be fun to make a /rlg/ clan

>>187004079
you set time stop on contingency and then run away during it
in theory you can also drop attenuate and the dot will do damage after time stop ends but it's not worth it
the two fugue clones are AI but you can set their skill preferences like (iirc) summons and alchemist golem

>>187004016
HellMOO is grinding hell with RNG out the ass, though.
>tfw the ArmageddonMud staff went full retard and removed all the fun

>>186999585
its called a booty battle, noobs

>>187004704
I tried Aardwolf a couple months ago, it was fun but it kinda lacked substance.
Heard a lot of good stuff about Armageddon, though.

>>187004895
>not a derrière duel
Uncultured pleb detected.

Should I make a ToME4 online account even tho im an ahoy?

>>187005354
>Up to 3 (You)
Holy shit

>>187005354
cute

>>187005071
Tried that, it asked for a cd key in the gog version.
Dunno if you can download the free version, pirate the addons and make it work.

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>>187005354

>>187005071
if you want to post characters online or use the chat or something, sure
the game is free and open source anyways, the paid version is just a slightly different version with 1 more class available and some notaroguelike features for shitters

>>187005039
its called Keister Kombat where im from, fag

>>187005005
Armageddon is alright. It's fun to live a life of crime.
You just have to figure out how to infiltrate the noble/guild ERP cliques and get yourself into a position of power and wealth.
It's true that they did cut out a lot of the funnest parts. I still miss Tuluk. Less rules, no Templar fucking shits, more back-alley stabbing and subterfuge. There's nowhere nearly as entertaining to run off through the desert to after robbing a noble house blind these days.

It's also horribly autistic how many of the game's mechanics are concealed from you. It kinda makes sense for some of them, but it makes it painful to learn and you're not really allowed to ask about most stuff. The class system is also pretty limiting when it comes to skills, particularly crafting.

>>187005354
what gam