Roguelike General /rlg/

first for ToMENet

>>186597517
>intended way to play the game is bones stuffing
S H I T

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Tangledeep is very non-vegan

>>186597981
Name one (1) vegan worth caring about.

>>186598448
My spriggan enchanter. I don't want him to splat after getting 3 runes

Is there a C:DDA mod that teleports you back to your shelter when you die instead of permadeath so I don't have to keep making savegame backups?

>>186598448
>playing stabbers
>when you can't kill anything past vaults
Shiggy

>>186599450
>he doesn't know

>>186597981
Nice comic.

>killed yet again by a shocker zombie
I didn't think birdshot would be THAT weak at point blank range

>>186603685
Cool Days or Dark Days?
Reminder that mainline CDDA has massively nerfed ranged combat so if you're playing the unpatched version you should not use any ranged less spammable than pneumatics or lasers.

>>186603892
How do I make good pneumatics

>>186603892
Cool days ahead. I found a mossberg 500 and some birdshot while raiding a mall so I decided to try and kill the shocker that was hanging around my hideout. I landed 4 hits at point blank before it killed me from 80% health.

>>186597668
Someone said Archmage is no longer top 5 classes

so I'd like to see /rlg/'s take on the top 5 classes

sward is not a class

>>186604286
Point blank as in constant melee?
You lose accuracy when you're attacked in melee. With most ranged, it's better to kite.

>>186604459
Yeah I should have planned that whole skirmish better. I thought luring it to a car and then opening the door while it was one tile away would give me enough time to kill it, but I guess not. I was able to land good hits with every shot, it's just that birdshot is useless on anything bigger than squirrels.

>>186604364
tomenet is not tome4

anyway possessor > massive power gap > paradox mage > archer > shadowblade > arcane blade > archmage

>>186604929
to elaborate: possessor does what every other class does, twice as well. you get insane+ monster stats and double combat masteries so you can essentially run as a better AB. it has great damage reduction skills and randbosses have several thousand more hp than you ever will have, plus you can keep them alive with bathe in light anyway.

paradox mage has been better than AM since edge reworked it into his super speshul OC class in like 1.3. it has DR thats even better than AM and does actual damage with attenuate stacking.

archer just does retarded dps from range 13 so you kill everything before they even enter LoS

shadowblade benefits the most from sawrd but even without it you can get like 40k dps on dummies, if you use mercy you can kill elandar even on madness before your elixir of invulnerability runs out. it also has shenanigans involving bathe in light like every other non archer toptier due to ambuscade, which can also be abused to suicide bomb randbosses for massive damage with your clones then go back to your main character with no damage or cooldowns used.

AB is like archmage but it does actual damage with spellflurry. 1.5 tried to nerf staves but you can still get 2.5% proc bonus shortstaves so really you just need more vaulting.

>>186604929
How come archmage isn't god tier anymore? What did they nerf?

>>186605792
nothing but archmage never did good damage, its infinitely more tedious than even the shittiest melee class and the payoff isnt good since you can do better even on madness. plus a bunch of classes got power creeped above it in the reworks.

>>186603685
Yeah, birdshot is pretty bad.
It has 14 damage while 00 buckshot has 50 damage.
For comparison, even a 9mm pistol round as 26 damage.

>>186603685
>birdshot
It's specifically designed to kill small woodland creatures, with minimal damage to the meat. The game even tells you this.

>>186606949
At arms length distance (at least IRL) the shot would still be tightly clustered enough to cause some serious wounds. But yes I know it was my fault for being dumb.

>>186603892
What is Cool Days?

>>186608017
A patched version of the game that removes some of the sins against game design.
https://github.com/Coolthulhu/Cataclysm-DDA/releases

>>186608128
I see, Coolthulhu must have finally lost his mind.

>>186608675
After seeing how much of a cunt Kevin is I don't blame him.

>>186608675
>lost his mind
?

So

0.D soon

>>186599450
cdda's default mode is non-permadeath
just create a new character and they'll spawn in the same world and be able to loot all the good shit off of the dead guy

the only real roguelike mode in cdda is delete-world-on-death

>>186604198
find the recipe book and have 6-8 mechanics skill
the pneumatic crossbow is pretty fun for labdiving
silent, does enough damage to oneshot most zombos, and you can pick the ammo back up after using it
for max value you need to have a forge set up already so you can make steel crossbow bolts out of car wreckage though

>>186607262
IRL, it's highly illegal to hunt larger animals with birdshot, because it cannot kill them just wounds them and they eventually die from infection.

>>186609361
Getting loot is not the hard part. Grinding up the shitty skills like archery and tailoring is the awful part and why you don't want to die.

>>186605720
How do I play possessor without dying like a bitch?

>>186597981
Me on the right.

>>186609964
recall that books count as loot
recall that the only thing keeping you from locking yourself in an RV and reading all the books in the trunk over the course of 3 weeks is your food and water supply
recall that big tanks of water and piles of dehydrated food also count as loot

>haven't played pcb since 5.0.x
>get the new meme version
>save file incompatible
I forget, do I just need to start up 5.0 and quit my character to keep my monster and item memory?

>>186610589
I don't believe you can keep memory at all.
Save files from version 6.xx or 5.xx (or 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 for that matter) aren't compatible with 7.xx

>>186609973
Play Insane or Madness

>>186610764
That sounds counter productive.

How do I get into a gun shop? It has a metal door.
Lockpicking, smashing, prying with a level 4 prying strength tool doesn't work.

>>186612081
smash the wall down by driving a car into it

>>186611494
it isnt, they get exponentially better with stronger enemies

>>186612401
I meant what talents should I go for, general gamepay, etc...

>>186612081
Using a mod I guess? Or did they make the doors unable be picked in the normal game now.

You can cut the bars on the window with a hacksaw and then smash it if you don't mind setting the alarm off.

>tome archer now gets a passive that makes you immune to your own projectiles
when did this happen
this is a tragic loss of shenanigans potential
i want to see more archer bros getting bone-grabbed into the path of their own critical snipe and oneshotting themselves

>>186613201
They are only practically impossible to pick. I can try, but it always fails.
I'll try cutting the bars. Don't care much about the alarm, I butchered most zombies in the immediate area.

>>186613572
the alarm summons police bots, doesn't it?

I thought nightblade was shit, is it not shit?

>>186615398
*shadowblade

>>186600892
how fucking retarded to you have to be to quote the wrong person

>>186604286
>trying to kill a shocker with birdshot

>>186615398
They always did OK damage, sawrd memes notwithstanding, but had jackshit survival now they got trained reactions so they became better.

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>>186615398
They always had the best damage and good survivability early game (time shield is dumb) but they didn't scale well so you got one shotted
Now trained reactions exists they lost their only real weakness so they're god tier. Also see pic related.

>>186597981
what is this supposed to teach us? The vegan dies in the end the the cannibal lives.

You could almost say it's like, you know, evolution

>>186616914
>sawrd
REMOVED

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This isn't the thief quest I remember.

The reward: a ring of protection that I don't actually have a slot for yet.

>>186619612
Isn't it still in stable?

>>186619742
nu-thiefquest is scarier than the old one, with both tougher enemies and some traps
i'm sad that quylthulg can no longer do it at level 1 for freexp

>>186609973
Choose Cornac, boost Possession category and upgrade skills in it ASAP. Solipsism is important too because damage absorbed into your Psi (which regenerates) is not damage to your HP (which doesn't). Keep temp points in Psionic Disruption and use it for your main DPS, possess things with disables (IE bears) and use them liberally. Rank 7 Possess for boss corpses is generally considered more meme than necessity, but you're doing something wrong if you're on madness and don't want randboss corpses.

i am nothing

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In honor of my first combat win I propose that cockmind and tanglememe be added to the OP pasta. Their absence is glaring considering the other obscure crap there.

Gozags Bribe Branch - how it works? It better to use it on Llv 1 and then go down or only on Lvl 5 where is rune. Also Bribe status goes from White to Blue, what does this mean?

>>186623105
Random enemies, starting with the highest-HD, are either made neutral or changed into permanent allies. It's usually best to save it for the rune/orb floor.

>>186622850
Maybe you should write a pasta for them instead of whining about the lack of one.

>>186620079
Why cornac and not OGRE?

>>186623940
Ogre HP is pretty useless when you're in another body and most inscriptions/runes aren't useful to possessor
OGRE is better for sawrd memes though i guess?

>>186623871
>Cogmind: A roguelike where you play as a modular robot in an AI-controlled complex that responds to your actions. Features a non-linear storyline and a lot of polish. Originally criticized for its $30 early-access price tag.

I don't maintain the pasta though, so whoever does still has to see this and add it.

>>186625313
It's still criticized for its ridiculous price tag.

>>186626002
Only by poorfag babies. Refusing to spend 20 bucks on an indie game just supports Denuvo-using AAA devs.

>>186626778
>paying for roguelikes
Ayy lmao

>>186626778
Kyz is literally retarded though
>pay more money for a half finished early access game than when it drops on steam
Also I don't give money to dangerhair SJWs anyway.

what difficulty & permadeath setting do you guys usually play TOME at?

>>186628121
Insane Roguelike

>>186626778
actually, spending or not spending money does not matter
your life is inherently futile and almost nothing you do will make a difference to the world at large
contributing one drop to an ocean of millions does not change anything
humans simply delude themselves into thinking their individual contribution matters to avoid confronting the pointlessness of reality

>>186628121
ive been playing madness for about a year, once you go up difficulty wise you never turn back

>>186626778
I can probably add together the cost of about 6 or 7 of the roguelikes/roguelites I have paid for to total to fucking 30 dollars.

>>186626778
>not being a NEET playing roguelikes on a toaster
The spirit of rlg has been lost

Have there been any significant changes in crawl trunk?

Is Cogmind worth pirating?

>>186627943
>dangerhair SJWs
What
>>186630836
Not really
It's not really fun
It's trying hard into muh tight design by making you always feel weak and burdening you with constant need to manage inventory thanks to very annoying item destruction mechanics.

>>186630041
Nothing that matters has been done since the tournament.

Though there's a branch with more food meme changes since this is clearly what is important in crawl.

>>186630836
no
>>186631030
>he doesn't know how fucked roguelike devs are

>>186631089
>latest build removed High Elves
aight fuck you then

>>186630041
crawl development seems to be dying down unfortunately. Aside from the new gnoll race everyone hates and some minor vault changes there is literally nothing new in .21.

>>186630836
yes

>>186631878
Non-Free as in Freedom, not free beer means it's roguelite at best.
How fucked is cockmongl dev though?

dcss devs are goons
qud devs are goons
tangledeep dev is goon
cogmind dev is goon
dungeonmans dev is goon
dredmor devs were semi-goons

how many non-goon roguelike devs exist in the universe? i guess pcbdev but he doesnt even have internet access so of course he cant be a goon

>>186632394
IA dev may not be?

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>The master race of Shalore Archmage will rise again and genocide the mud race known as ogres and their kike masters cornacs.
Wtf did dorkgod mean by this?

How do you hunt small animals in C:DDA when they all just run away before you could even get into bow range?
Pastebins says kill bunnies and shit, but can't even get close.

I usually end up aggroing a dog pack and butchering them with a club if I need meat. Must be a better way to hunt.

>>186632152
He's just some asian(?) guy who posts on roguelike subreddits all day to shill his game. As far as I know he's never commented on politics or posted a picture of himself, so >>186631878
is completely full of shit. Literally saying "don't support this guy because he's a roguelike dev and all roguelike devs are bad".

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>>186632718
Heh.....nothin personnel,,,,archmage.....

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>>186632394
No one talks about ADOM at all, but this guy is pretty chill and not a faggot.

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>>186633484
>this guy is pretty chill and not a faggot

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>>186633315
*Gases&removes you*
nothing personnel my minion.
I'm buffing archmage next patch.

>>186632394
>>186633609
speaking of shitty roguelike devs
DUDE ORC VAGINAS LMAO

>>186633815
Remove sawrd.
Remove anus of urh'cuck.
Remove steamfucks.
1.0.4 ONLY.
Praise archmage.

>>186633920
remove dumb goons like razakai and shibari breaking balance just so they can feel good by bragging on somethingawful.com about haha i beat insane aren't i great at vidya xD

>>186634101
Remove edge and return the balance of memes, 1 shots and archmage being retardedly overpowered.

Does Tangledeep have an autoexplore button? I couldn't find anything in the menus

>>186634193
Edge was the only good tome dev and the classes he reworked (TW/PM/Mindslayer) are genuinely fun though?????

>>186632858
>not sniping rabbits with a fully modded .50 BMG rifle from 40 tiles away

>>186634302
>are genuinely overpowered as all fuck though?????

>>186634480
>it's okay when archmage does it!!!
Fuck off dorkgod. Go back to your IRC ERP channel and jerk off instead of making your game not complete shit.

>>186634248
>>186634248
Autoexplore is ONLY for kusoge where exploration not important. In tangledeep GOTY every step matter because no 55555 heal like dumbcrawl shitsoup. You no like no autoexplore? You enjoy sucking dpeg SJW cock instead faggot. Tangledeep DESTROY opposition in genre and developer is not smelly NEET stocking shelves for job because he drop out of school to program shit roguelike for free.

>>186634596
I gutted oozemancer.
I removed sawrd.
Your speshul OC classes are next.

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Gonna need more ammo
Or a chokepoint and a big sword

>>186634790
Cleve calm down

>>186634790
Speak english faggot
>>186634805
>tome dlc balance
>All your class talents have no cooldown, but resource costs are quadrupled
>this does nothing for archmage but massively buffs other toptiers
It's fucked.

>>186634790
This should be the blurb for Tangledeep in the pasta

>>186635187
Just use fire.

>>186635509
What if I burn something useful inside the mall?
Or the whole building for that matter.

>>186635461
You just don't understand, do you? Tangledeep is a beautiful game in a sea of shit that is the roguelike genre. With its great sound, music, and colorful cast of interesting anthro characters it will create a deep and immersive world compared to the dull <@rXO of ASCII roguelike trash. And unlike kusoge DCSS and Angband the gameplay is deep and challenging compared to pointless bump attacking o-tabbing full-healing cycles. This is the game that will save the genre, and usher it into a new age. Zircon has been carefully crafting this game 14 hours a day, and learned from masters such as the Dungeonmans developer. I backed $100 as soon as possible, and have never been happier.

>>186597981
me on the left

>>186635668
>>186634790
does anyone actually play this game or is it just shitposting all the way?

>>186635313
>>All your class talents have no cooldown, but resource costs are quadrupled
what the fuck you on?
Is that some tinker bullcrap?

>>186635805
https://te4.org/characters/3496/tome/1701b0b5-45aa-4b65-a482-a0b254ea728c
Buy the new DLC goyim! We made your last one worthless but this one has something as powerup as Sawrd, PES and tinker generics combined!

>>186634302
Wait, did he create or rework the time travelers? Because the actual rework just cut a lot of shit that was actually interesting about them and replaced it with powercreep.

>>186635895
>Tome 160
>Spydre
Wot.
WOT.


Best DLC is still urk'cuck. Because that at least didn't rape the rest of the game 69 ways to sunday.

>>186635895
>Sex Female
closed instantly fgt

>>186636006
>Because the actual rework just cut a lot of shit that was actually interesting about them and replaced it with powercreep.
It got rid of some of the retarded and tedious "timeline splitting" shit.

>>186634790
this is a retarded memepost but the first sentence is literally true

>>186636006
Edge reworked them into OPradise.

>>186636139
>it got rid of the most unique thing about the classes in general

>>186636320
Being the most badly designed of the bunch sure is unique.

>>186636320
attenuate is the most unique thing about paradox mage though

>>186635895
that the fuck does this character dump have to do with
>>>All your class talents have no cooldown, but resource costs are quadrupled

>>186636404
Doing something original is hard. Go figure. Now they're just blasty mage #10 and shadowblade with a bow.

>>186632394
do you mean SA when you say goon?

>>186636268
doomrl doesnt have autoexplore for a reason
tangledeep is just shitty anime doomrl with tome skills

>>186636564
Yeah I'm not terribly impressed with it. More graphics means less game. Not like I paid money for it though, no big loss.

>>186636465
Read the fucking skills dumbass, it's in the character racials

>>186636548
Yes

>>186636526
>terrible, tedious time travel gimmick is original
>class based on maintaining negative effects on enemies through casting-speed-boosted flurry of spells is not original
It's a great thing that you don't make games.

>>186636714
so just post a wiki link to the actual thing you're trying to talk about

>>186636139
>implying timeline splitting wasn't the best part about paradox mage
The new PM is fucking shit, the old one was more fun.

>>186636839
He means Race / Drem first skill frenzy.

>>186637024
It wasn't.
Old one was shit.
New one may not be perfect, but it's OK.

>>186637024
autistic children like /rlg/ tend to hate changes blindly
weird, isn't it?

>>186636829
>tedious
Cool opinions bro. Are you a rejected DCSS dev or something?

>>186636564
doomrl has tons of combat, not much exploring, and lots of mechanics that would kill you if you are "auto exploring"

Games like PCB DESPERATELY need fucking auto explore

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>mfw i see fun gameplay that hasn't been removed yet

>>186637309
I SURE DO LOVE HAVING TO GO THROUGH GLORIFIED SAVE+LOAD BEFORE OPENING ANY VAULT/GOING AROUND ANY CORNER
TEDIUM IS A BUZZWORD LOL

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>>186637491

the real question is can Drem be stone wardens?

Is there a link to DL the latest tome 4 + DLC pirated ? I only see 1.5.3

>>186638279
tome4 is a free game the dlc is the only thing you have to pirate

>>186638396
Yea I know that, has the DLC had updates that I need to find somewhere?

>>186635784
Like all things in life, a little bit of both.

>>186638617
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4980225

>>186638617
fuk updates they cant possibly have made anything better have they?

>>186637491
You're playing the same game where Tracking exists, and the same genre where stack of 20 Rods of Detection exists. There wasn't even only one type time splitting like you implied.

>>186640595
There are still two types left, the only one removed is the most tedious one.

>>186640595
Monsters inside vault are hidden until you open the door.

>>186640773
Muh going back in time to save my past self after summoning my future selt to save me in the present

What's the current state of Possessors? Do they still get insane free resource regen for being in a Rare+ body? Can you still possess Whirling Horrors to fire arrows at 500% attack speed?

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I had no idea you could get cursed rewards from quests. It has the worst vulnerability for me, too.

>>186633484
Biskup is a rotal goon

>>186644816
total*

gotal toon*

can ghoul posessors heal themselves, or does ghoul bile only work if they're currently posessing an undead boy?

NOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I CANT STAND IT ANYMORE
WHERE IS THE NEW STABLE
WHERE IS IT
I NEED IT
I NEED IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

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>>186645552
Nigga chill

I have come full circle and realized that dcss race's are not supposed to be balanced, right? At last i truly see.

>>186645767
Actually I was talking about DDA

>>186632394
it figures that people who like old school games they downloaded from the internet like old school internet things like fourm posting

>>186648168
Oh. Nevermind me then, i must shamefully admit that i have never tried DDA though, i might give it a try.

>>186645767
They are not.

>>186648727
Make sure you get Cool Days Ahead so you don't have retarded game design problems.

>>186648806
Yeah, now i know. For quite a long time i was in an endless self debate of "why would anyone not play a minotaur if you intend to go full tablord".

>>186649335
Can you give a list of what Cool Day Ahead changes?

>really need a hacksaw for crafting, I already looked through several hardware stores and electronics stores
>try to cut through the town at night to a hardware store on the other side
>suddenly shadow zombies out of nowhere
>2 deep bites
>don't have any disinfectants at hand, have to turn back
>checking the bodies, one of them has an entire toolbox
Thanks, I guess.

>>186650010
https://github.com/Coolthulhu/Cataclysm-DDA/wiki/Changelog

Un-nerfed ranged weapons so guns are usable outside melee range on low skill levels, some bug fixes, and a mod for less annoying bionics installation.

>>186650010
Biggest changes are that it unfucks ranged accuracy and removes needing heavy painkillers to install bionics. More importantly, however, is that Coolthulhu maintains it and Kevin "cock vacuum" garande can't get hits grubby hands on it.

>>186650576
>>186650784
Goddamn, seems like it make DDA more tolerable, I'll use it if I ever want to play the game again.

Where the fuck is IAdev so I can call him a fag

So I have a funnel up in CDDA with a 60 liter tank, water is pretty much solved.
Problem is that I hunted down most of the animals nearby. Getting food is getting increasingly more annoying. Taking long hunting trips isn't working either, since most of the meat will just rot.
So what's the next logical step for solving my food problems? I don't have electricity nor a working vehicle, so it would probably take some effort to make a hunting car with a freezer, if that is even possible. I have 5 fabrication, 3 mechanics and 3 electronics skill.

How good is farming? I got some random seeds but not much. It's the middle of summer now.
Are there other options besides farming, hunting and gathering from bushes?

>>186651828
What about a vacuum sealer to preserve the meat until you get back home?

>>186651828
do you have a hacksaw and wrench? if yes, you can go get yourself a working vehicle by frankensteining the good parts out of 2-3 dead ones
if no, you should go explore town some more (and road a grocery store while you're at it)

>>186652365
I don't have a vacuum sealer yet, and it seems I don't have the recipe for the makeshift version yet. Even though I have an electronics book on me, probably not enough skill.

>>186652550
Yeah, I found tools. I guess it's time to make my pimpmobile.
Can I just take a fridge out of a house and put it on the vehicle, or do I need to craft a small one or something?

>>186652928
You need a vehicle minifridge, but note that it'll be a huge battery drain so you need lots of solar panels if you want to keep it on all the time.

Speaking of vehicles, is there a mod that makes it so that driving into a bush doesn't blow up your car?

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>tfw you intimidate an NPC onto dropping his weapon and shoot him him anyways

>>186623940
>>186625079
Possessor vs Ogre is a hard choice. You have to eat two cat points just to get your possession up to par, and then another one to get Tinkering. At that point you're left with a choice between a 4th (not even a 5th) inscription or Deep Horror (which is quite a good skill tree).

Ogre wielding is pretty noteworthy, since it does enable you use the two-handed psionic tree and the offhand mindstar tree at the same time. The cat point lets you get Possession 1.5, Body Snatcher, and Tinkering all at level 20 though, whereas the 3rd cat is a long wait otherwise.

Although honestly, being able to use Disruption tree with two-handed tree isn't that great because the Disruption tree isn't very good.

The -20% powers on ogrewielding is immense, especially considering higher difficulty save faggotry, and can be dependent on the form you take. The penalty actually gets WORSE if you take any form smaller than Big (that's most forms in the game).

The absolute topend on Ogre is probably better (mostly because you can potentially negate the Ogrewield penalty entirely with a perfect, supermassive boss corpse) but in general Cornac can still rape everything with Sward just fine and has much less gameplay headaches in general.

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>tfw not fighting dispel magic monsters

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I've been waiting for this one.

>>186655608
>You have to eat two cat points just to get your possession up to par
why is that, exactly?
I know you need 1 cat point to be able to posess bosses, but what's the value of the second one?

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>>186655705
at least one person's still playing a decent game around here

>>186656503
Body Snatcher

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>>186656419
Wow, talk about a well-themed randart.
Has Chris improved the randart code?
My melee weapon has a similarly good theme (though it is a lot better as an item).

>>186651828
Make a smoking rack and charcoal kiln via the construction menu to preserve meat. You have enough fab skill and the materials are trivial (it's like rocks, sticks, and pipes). Spider basements (black widows are much, much easier than the cellar spiders) and ant hills will give huge amounts of meat to preserve (you can powder the eggs with it, too).

Farming grows exponentially since each plant gives back like four or more seeds for every one you plant, so eventually you'll make literal tons of food per harvest. Oats are the meme crop but they are in fact pretty much the best one, growing very fast compared to most, they don't rot and oatmeal is filling for how little resources go into making it.

>>186652928
>Can I just take a fridge out of a house and put it on the vehicle, or do I need to craft a small one or something?
It's a separate part, most easily obtained by pulling one out of an RV. It's not terribly useful because of how much power it uses and how cheap the smoker is.

>>186655608
>Ogre can potentially possess a massive boss that negates their dual wield penalty, use two-handed skills, dual wield skills (thus flurries), and disruption skills all together with Sward
>but Ogre possessor is a massive pain in the ass

Reminds me of trying to play Psiblades Cursed.

Are there any really good quality of life mods for T4? I'm tempted to get the one that lets you choose escorts at least.

>>186658050
Improved Combat Text
Improved Auto-Explore and Rest
and there's one that seperates turns in the combat log

>>186656840
I see that CDA made vehicle UPS rechargers not complete shit, which is nice, but am I better off making a huge 7x7 solar array vehicle outside my home and then knocking out a window in my house and extending the vehicle inside the home and using storage batteries and solar power to have a working kitchen and whatnot? Or is the mobile deathmobile still better than a stationary base these days?

>>186654628
If you intimidate someone they become your enemy, so you can kill them with no moral(e) problem. But if they intimidate you they don't, and it's all your fault if you kill that innocent person.

>>186656619
i don't know about the resistances but the spellpower plus minuses to str/dex/con all come as a package

>>186659073
Oh, is that so? That would make sense (but also makes the item slightly more disappointing).

thanks /rlg/ you have sucessfully memed me into playing a possesor finally.

Im on level 2 of trollmire, RNGesus blessed me with tinker escort who I some how managed to protect from a level 5 troll hedgewizard, and though the young tinker escaped my sight during my grueling 40 turn duel with the hedgewixard I still managed to save him, and when I finally slayed the hedgewizard unique he dropped me a juicy rune of reflection! Feels like the start of a dream run. Only, now I have no bodies. I went cornac(though I see the boon in going ogre now), what are some recommended escort trees for me?

What should I be possessing? How do I heal my 1hp bodies? I didnt know I was signing up for blue mage.. They should implement a blue mage class using alchemist reagents for spell unlocks

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Hahaha, time to get CURSED.

>>186661759
on a scale of 0 to 1, how antimagic are you right now

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>>186661838
I'm afraid I habitually use the 'm'enu, sir.

>>186661405
Should I jack strength up for heavy armor and bills tree trunk? What kind of equipment should possesors run?

>>186651346
What did he do to you?

Why are you all so bad at roguelikes?
How many of you have even won a roguelike?

>>186661405
>my grueling 40 turn duel
posessors start with a level 10 frost giant corpse dont they
just turn into that shit and punch the hedgewizard to death while being 3x his level

>>186635313
>All your class talents have no cooldown, but resource costs are quadrupled
wouldnt this be OP as fuck for celestials
don't they have lots of talents with negative resource costs

>>186664752
I have beaten dcss a few times, but I was playing the tiles version so it doesn't actually count as a rougelike

What are some roguelikes where I can go to Berlin?

>>186664752
Win? How can I win if map keeps generating more nad more with more and more new towns?

>>186661405
>didn't possess the hedge wizard
Shit anon what are you doing

>>186664752
>madness win and a bunch of insane ones
>beat DCSS a couple times
>could streak ultras in ADOM
>doomrl UV win
>i guess i pirated and beat tangledeep and dungeonmans too
but yeah I'm trash at roguelikes

>Literally only 4 escort missions so far
>Got 2 in Daikana but both failed because what the fuck literally 100+ monsters in every level
shitty

>>186665251
sun paladin has a skill that gives you 2 turns of invincibility and does pretty good damage too, with that stupid racial you could literally stay invincible for the entire duration

>>186667814
Daikatana*

>>186667841
would also be good for archmage to instantly dump 100% of your mana for disruption shield shenanigans
and you could combine it with the Higher racial or that one prodigy that make spells cost 0 resources to do funny stuff on any class

died 3 times on the fking chronolith twins

>>186669601
>doing temporal rift, ever, when the 1st zone is literally a dice roll whether you'll die to a randboss you can't run from in zero gravity
O W N F A U L T
W
N
F
A
U
L
T

>>186669714
It's ok on tome 4 you have many lives :)
Never died on 1st zone though that place is ez af

>>186669749
shitter detected
you aren't allowed to post in rlg unless you can win insane roguelike

I miss the times when you weren't allowed to post on rlg if you play tome

i died

>>186670263
But how would we laugh at tome autists then?

rogue

>playing tome enough to want to play difficulties above normal

>>186670263
Epic le tome hate meme, autist

>zombie bites me hard, have to cauterize wound
>oh well, no big deal just take an aspirin
>acid zombie melts my skin
>whatever, it will heal
>it starts to rain
>FUCK THIS WORLD I WISH I WAS DEAD

>>186679703
Have you ever been totally drenched in water while wearing thick clothing?
I wish I was dead every time I am totally drenched.

>>186599450
>dying in cdda after like day 3
how?
get an rv and convert it into a death mobile and you win. i do it every time and regret it after a day as it makes the game too easy and i dont feel like playing anymore.

>>186679703
But if healing and painkillers weren't unreasonably effective, the game would be a horrible fucking chore to play. I mean, more so.

What are some roguelikes I would enjoy, /rlg/?
C:DDA is easily one of my favorites but I tend to hit periods of time where I get bored of it. Unreal World is nice too. Anything similiar?

Also: Is there a changelog or something that tells me whats different between C:DDA and C:CDA?

>>186680983
Dorf Fortress adventure mode?

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reminder that beogh is the best god for AK

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What do I do to have fun once I reach this game stage, /rlg/?

>>186680983
>Also: Is there a changelog or something that tells me whats different between C:DDA and C:CDA?
CTRL+F "changelog"

>>186680983
Elona+ if you want the open world of CDAA with dungeon diving, quests and npc towns.

>>186681204
And where the fuck is that nigger robotics book that gives me upgraded solar panels

>>186681261
It's honestly the more lone survival and crafting I'm interested in. Dungeon diving and NPCs I'm not very interested in

>>186681340
If you want lone survival feeling, then you definitely won't like Elona.

>>186680983
>C:CDA
oh did Coolthulhu finally get sick of Big Kev and make his own version?

Is there a better way of storing your phat loot in C:DDA than just throwing them down into a few big piles on the ground?

>>186682332
Get a big car, put a V12 in and replace as many tiles with cargo carriers as you can find

>>186682332
Big piles are fine.
Use advanced inventory to find your shit. Just autistically segregating everything will get tedious fast, when you realize some shit can be hard to categorize.

>>186682535
It's not that hard to categorize things.
FOOD
CHEM
WEARABLE
WEAPONS/AMMO
MATERIALS
TOOLS
OTHER

>>186682535
>when you realize some shit can be hard to categorize.

U are clearly talking about nails.

>>186682920
What about splitting tools based on things you always keep at base for crafting and things that you would occasionally take out with you?
Is a crowbar a weapon or a tool?
Is a battery ammo or material? What about cameras, which contain batteries but you only really picked them up for the battery inside?

How about splitting guns based on
-main guns that you use, have ammo but don't want to take them all with you
-guns you want to use, but no ammo so they are in reserve
-guns that are copies of what you use, and keep around in case of one breaking
-guns that you don't want to use but keep for components

>>186667716
All played locally I bet :^)

>>186685286
The tools I take out with me I always have on me and all the other tools I just pile up. If I need them its not really an issue to go through like 10 of them. A crowbar is whatever you use it as (a tool, of course, its a mediocre weapon)
A battery is material.
I don't keep cameras, I unload and disassemble or unload and toss them.
>How about splitting guns
no

>>186686594
>no
>he doesn't separate his raifus from all the other guns he picks up just for replacement
It's like you don't even love them.

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>find out power wand double the monster's exp, hp, attack and def
>with 20 charges, I can double the monster's experience from 100 XP to 100 * 2^20 = 104.857.600 XP

Normally, killing monster with 104k HP is impossible, but I'll kill the monster with Dark Wand (50% chance to kill).
104k EXP is enough to reach max level.
At first, I don't want to use this degenerate tactic, but after that monster ignore my defense and kill me with only two hits for the 10th time, I'm losing my patience.

>>186686958
so this is the power of......pozcuckbad.....

REEEEEE how hard can it be to spawn me the fucking robot book that gives me the upgraded solar panels
I've been to 3 mansions and a bunch of bookstores and libraries
FUCK

So you guys with your crazy mobile bases of death, do you take constructed stuff with you and just put on your truck?
Like charcoal kilns, smoking racks etc which you generally want in your base?

Or you have a static base and keep them there?

>>186689094
I don't need any of that shit since I have a kitchen unit and food buddy in my car.

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>>186679703

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>>186687912
>>186687912

After testing my theory, too bad the EXP gain is limited to 10x of the original EXP.
Even if I clone the monster 20 times, that's only 200x EXP gain.

>>186689517
Good point. Forgot that I will eventually find some high tech culinary options.

Are two-handed saws a regularly-occurring weapon or do you have to luck into one of the high-level artifacts to have one?

>>186690093
no it's just like 3 tier 5 artifacts
one of them is almost as good as sawrd and not removed though

I've been dicking around in IVAN, is it really supposed to be this opaque? I can't seem to find a status screen for my character, I can't figure out what gods want even after reading their books and unlocking the secrets of the universe, and so on. The wiki is mostly empty. Is it entirely for random lulz or am I doin it wrong?

why doesnt tome have gun horrors

>>186693606
Soon tm.

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How do I get away with this shit?

A quasit left me with this dex

There are two leopard geckos around the corner and I can't hit them for good.

Halp please

>>186693964
Since when do monsters appear in temple? What is this garbage?

>>186693964
How did you get hit that many times by a quasit?

>>186693964
>playing a roguelike for shitters
>fucking up this badly
how the fuck do you even get into this sort of situation as a berserker
why is rlg so bad at games
just ctrl q and play the binding of isaac instead casual

>>186694130
Show me your 15 rune MuMo victory, shitter

>>186694054
They descended with me

>>186694119
A lot

>>186694130
S-sorry

>>186694380
Don't apologize, retard. Call him a nigger instead.

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>>186693964
Shit, I took the mutation potion and things got worse

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>>186694130
No bully!

I want a nice cozy survival roguelike with crafting like cataclysm or unreal world but I don't want to play either of those right now.
What do I do, /rlg/?

>>186686708
>he doesn't use generic guns mod to cut down on the massive amount of /k/ autist bloat

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>>186694875

>>186694883
Nah, it's from >mobile roguelike

>>186695147
>he didn't enable the EVEN MORE GUNS mods
I can feel the homosexuality seeping through the internet.

>>186682332
You sort like you sort your piles in Dwarf Fortress.

>vehicles are too scary, keep procrastinating learning them
>middle of summer
>trips to the nearby town on foot are getting long as I cleared the closest buildings
>okay, I'll go and learn this shit no matter what it takes
>go to first abandoned vehicle on the road that I see
>take out full battery (it was a solar car)
>go to second vehicle on the road
>everything is intact besides low batteries
>change the batteries
>it works
God damn it I should have done this way earlier.

>>186695161
what seems to be the issue here my friend?

>>186695869
get an RV and customize it to be a base/murder vehicle with solar powered twin laser turrets

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GET 'EM

Good magic apts, +2 Fighting and semi-controlled blink from XL1. And Barachi is listed as "Advanced"?

>>186696026
Being slow is bad, but certainly playing a caster kinda makes up for it.

Do you have necromutation on that character? I can't for the life of me clear a ziggurat consistently. Always fuck up at something preventable.

>>186696729

http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/MackTheKnife/MackTheKnife.txt

Shatter+Firestorm and Statue/Necromut takes care of all threats in the game.

Almost died when something dispelled(?) my necromut, took like 120 dmg in one turn from demons and shit. blink -> revivification -> statue solved it.

>There hasn't been electricity for months, but a swarm of bots are fully operational in every town
>Also every alarm is operational without electricity

>>186696981
the vending machines stay functional forever too

>>186696981
>nuclear power cells capable of lasting for centuries are so widespread and safe that they're used for nightlights
I wonder why

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>>186697167

Don't get me started on vending machines.

>>186696981
ever disassembled a bot? they give solar cells

>tfw too casual for Elona

>>186699170
it's not even a roguelike
just play as a farmer and pick melons all day without even interacting with dungeons or combat mechanics

Infra Arcana v19.1 released.

Downloads:
https://sites.google.com/site/infraarcana/downloads

Changelog:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/martin-tornqvist/ia/v19.1/res/release_history.txt

>>186699170
Its fun, for your own sake don't think about min maxing stupid shit, it will ruin your fun.

>>186700204
But anon you don't understand, I must have the perfect build, how am I gonna have an enjoyable experience if I don't use the perfect build?

>>186700324
in elona you are never really permanently missing out on anything. a lategame character can get all the stuff you skipped over earlier
the only thing that's permanently unchangeable is your starting race (which comes with some unique feats)
and i guess if you play as a mutant, the limbs you randomly gain from leveling up are permanent/unchangeable

>>186700324
I commited the same mistake.

Just pick a couple skills you want to focus on and keep at it.

It really grinds my gears that lightsabers are the absolute best weapons in game though, makes all other melee weapons feel useless.

>>186700578
The only thing you permanently miss out on while playing Elona is the time you could have spent playing a better game.

>>186700754
Or doing something actually useful in real life.

>>186700726
>best weapons in the game
really?
the guys over in /jp/elona are singing the praises of 370stone adamantium living spears
and unarmed which is apparenlty far and away better than any melee weapon after a few hundred hours of grinding

>>186699264
>random enemies can appear on your farm
>they scale with your farming skill
Farming is literally a death sentence in Elona if you don't have combat skills.

>>186700864
WHAT a shitty attitude.

>>186700982
Neither of those can compete with ignoring 100% PV, specially at high levels where the value of your damage roll pales in comparison to the + bonus in the damage formula.

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>>186700864
doing actually useful things has no intrinsic value
japanese animes are a far better option

whats the dumbest tome4 addon i can play rlg

>>186700578
Which race would be good for a warmage? I was thing about either Yerles or Elea.

>>186701562
odyssey of the summoner, according to that one guy in arelgee who keeps posting about it
or maybe minmay's quicktome thing

>>186701562
"Generous levels"
Gives you a bunch of extra class and generic points per level so you can max out almost every skill without having to compromise or make a build.
I use it every time because I absolutely must have every spell

>>186701648
I always play Elea Warmage. Resistance to ether corruption saves your ass in early game where cure corruption is a bit more rare and is a nice quality of life thing, while half damage from overcasting is useful if you ever want to use spells in combat.

>>186701562
Basically all of Razakai's class mods are great, which is likely a big reason why he's working on official classes now(and why the current version of Rogue and Archer lift very heavily from his reworks of those classes). Bastion, the Turbo Bulwark, was done by him and still works fine, though it's probably the roughest of his mods from a balance perspective. Eternal Darkness, his Necromancer rework, is bar none my favorite addon class ever made for the game and I've done multiple clears with it. It takes a bad, boring, terrible class and makes it extremely fun to play with enough variety that you can do multiple completely different builds and have it turn out okay.

For non-Razakai addons, I'm very fond of Commando(think of Temporal Warden's weapon switching gimmick except trade all the timecop stuff for stealth, grappling, and a ton of Rambo/Metal Gear Solid inspiration) by stinkstink and Celestial Oddities by astralInferno(actually a multi-class pack, I did a Nightmare clear on the Radiant class from it). These are a little bit less polished than Razakai's stuff but have some extremely good and fun ideas that make them worth playing, and they're also coded well enough that you're typically not going to vomit out 5000 lua errors every time you spot a rare mob.

>>186701876
>Elea are supposed to be elves
>my autism doesn't let me play elves
I can't, I just can't, I feel dirty when I play as an elf.

>>186701648
Btw, about warmages. The 5% less casting failure is really useful and it's my favorite class special.
At first I thought it just allows me to wear medium armor to be a fighter/mage hybrid. While that's true and it works, remember that armor category depends on weight. And by midgame you can buy scrolls of flying, which reduces the weight of any item and can stack multiple times.

In other words, you can wear steel plate armor and still be in light weight category, with no spell failure, without having to compromise your armor class. So in my opinion it's better to stick to light armor, and then "spend" your free spell failure on something else, like dual-wielding.

Also there is an item in the game called Shield Tonfa which you can buy in a shop for 50 small medals which counts as neither a shield nor dualwield so you can put something into your offhand without getting any spell casting penalty.

I came across that Moon Troll armor in 0.15 Crawl. As a MiFi of Chei, I am running around in plate armor, and I don't really see any use for that added MP, regen or the Spirit (I'd rather just find Spirit on an amulet or something). I should outright ignore it, right? Found it as a drop so Idon't have to buy it or anything.

>>186703056
>mifi of chei

>>186703056
nevermind. died because of some unseen horror kept hitting me and I had no See Invis

>>186703320
use slouch you retarded cow

>>186703056
Why would you go Chei if you don't intend to cast? Having absurd stats in exchange for your speed is all about becoming a world destroying abomination that casts level 9 spells in heavy armour!.

>>186703269
You're right. I should have went MiBe and got those sick god gifts instead. I blew it!

>>186703417
Not enough MP since I didn't train Invocations since I am a fag
>>186703434
Damn. I really fucked that one up then. Should have went full MiWi at that point.

>>186699926
Neat. Thanks!

>>186699926
>snakerape event is much rarer
Thank fuck

In Unreal World, is there anything penalty to being too warm or anything like that?

does Tangledeep ever get interested? I pirated it and I'm still wanting my money back.

>>186705035
late game gets pretty fun desu

>>186705092
The beginning is such a slog. I've tried Brigand and Spellnigger and none of the skills do anything interesting

Where do i pirate tangledeep?I actually like the tiles.

>>186705486
right here http://lemonparty.gov

Can I recharge batteries in CDDA?
It seems they are gone like ammo when depleted.

>>186705486
cs.rin.ru

>>186705035
Not really, there's almost nothing that actually matters in Tangledeep as far as character building choices go.

>>186705593
>.gov
Not this time FBI

>>186705609
You can not.
I've never really needed a lot of them although that comes from somebody who powers everything with a car battery and charges that with an alternator or solar panels.
If you need batteries you can make them from acid (which you can make from salt water), required cooking level for this is 4, I think

I'm starting to want to play DDA again, how do I stop this /rlg/

>>186706175
There is literally nothing wrong with playing DDA as long as you play the uncucked version.

>>186706578
I dont get this version hollywar - I hate upadating each day so play one version for year or so. Previosly was playing 4541 now 6137. As I see they spoiled recent build so much that two version of cata appeared as I undertand. Well, no update for me then

>>186707226
Or you can just use the less shitty version.

>CDDA

Singlepool or multipool

>>186708213
single every time, ignore multipool shittery

>>186708213
freeform :^)

>>186709163
ayy lmao

>>186708213
Random character, you casual

>>186708873
>>186709163
t. scrub

>>186708213
Singlepool is causal babbymode with extra tedium.

>>186709695
>multipool
>not even more tedium
lol

>go hunting
>nothing but zombie dogs everywhere
This is really becoming a chore.

>>186710082
>have to start with zero skills because you're a scrub who has to compensate for his bad plays by maxing stats
>keep rerolling VBD/lab until you succeed because you want more stats and pretend that it's not tedium when you die to RNG that places you in literally impossible spot
>stack negative traits that do nothing because you think that exploiting badly balanced shit while playing in ezmode is totally fine
>grind tailoring for an armor because you have no combat skills and also didn't take any tailoring at start because you took stats
>after the incredibly tedious start you instantly enter midgame tedium phase because you're now so overpowered that nothing can hurt you
You have to be literally retarded to think single pool is less tedious. Not just wrong and misguided, but mentally deficient, low IQ, mentally ill.

>he plays with multipool and regular skill rust
How do people do this

>>186711050
>rust
That's an ever dumber idea than playing single pool.

>>186711050
>>186711147
>playing without skill rust
scrubs

>>186711286
>playing with extra tedium that isn't difficult

>>186711406
DDA without tedium isn't DDA, if you want to remove all tedium you might as well play with freeform.

>>186711406
>he thinks that ANY roguelike has any difficulty at all, rather than tedium imposed by permadeath that can't be toggled off

Intcap is the only acceptable form of skill rust

>>186711684
No skill rust is the only acceptable form of skill rust.
There is nothing that skill rust does that would not be achieved better by just lowering training rate.

>>186712174
This! No rust, slower training rate, 90 days season

>>186702590
But at high skill levels medium armor allows you to use the Magic Equip buff that increases all spell damage by 20%.

>>186713543
20% isn't that amazing and it's a chore to maintain it

>>186711684
cap, intcap, and off are all fine
people who use other settings are probably the same ones who use the optional dirty laundry mod

I play with singlepool and skill rust off, how much of a scrub am I?

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I'm playing a yeek aether archmage in tome
the spells are kind of neat but they're also all hilariously good at blowing yourself up
your biggest spell is Aether Breach, which summons 5 giant explosions over 5 turns in randomish positions that aren't actually contained in the AOE indicator it shows, every single one of them does ~50% of my hp in damage because yeeks have lmaonohp
and i finally hit level 20 and spent a category point in meta just so i could take the "stop hitting yourself" talent, so now I can summon explosions on my own head with impunity instead of running away from everything and spamming phasedoor
this thing isn't even useful until you spend 5 points in it, too. at 1 point it's only a 20% chance to avoid hitting yourself with your own spells

There is literally nothing wrong with increasing the base points so you can have 12/12/12/12 stats before extra points from negative traits.

>>186714090
Maybe, if you were actually playing a roguelike, someone could render judgement to that effect.

>>186714270
This

Lower stats just leads to more tedium, and as we know tedium = bad

>>186714241
>playing a yeek
Neck yourself, furfag.