/rlg/ - Roguelike General

HOW DO I BEAT ROGUELIKES FUCK

>>184055025

It's Demon. It's basically SMT as a roguelike, probably my favorite one overall. Is that Tangledeep game good? I like the Snes aesthetic but somebody was saying it's lame earlier.

>>184055184
Stop and think you triple MiBe

>>184055184
you just do it

>>184055695
tfw I was 2 late

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>>184055184
did you try walking away from things

http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=14767.0
new coolthulu patch including linux version

earth elementals get stoneskin at will as early as level 10, which is nice
and they can walk through walls from level 1
the whole "your potion of speed turns to mud. you have no more potions of speed" thing makes me pretty unhappy though

>>184055205
I haven't given it a try yet, but yeah the aesthetic seems really cool.

>>184056730
>Your potion of *healing* turns to mud.
I DONT want to play this race.

water elemental died to, I shit you not, Beld. 8d15 x4 + critical hits took off 250-300 in one turn against my 110 AC.

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Progress It's just me walking around

>very loose FOV algorithm implemented
>sqlite database is getting there
>up/down levels implmented

Next comes combat, tightening up how I handle enemies, and hopefully items.

>>184059704
i hope you dont go for the dcss "half the screen is a gigantic HUD" thing in your final version

>>184059704
>empty "structure-filled" area whose structures are themselves empty

this setup makes me more mad than any other roguelike layout - the Vaults, the halfling area in tome4, argghhh

>>184059704
keep up the good work anon!

>>184060006
>>184060040
I'm still experimenting with stuff and interface design is definitely open to feedback.

I just didn't want to skew the map display too far horizontally since it's already like 36x18 i think. I'm aiming to make it playable on standard windows cmd (25x80) and that's not a whole lot to work with. But now that you mention it, it's a pretty retarded layout. I'll see how it looks condensing the panes.

>>184060424
Thanks! I'm excited to play it. I feel like this is the one genre where I won't hate the game after deving it.

>life after discovering Treasure Hunter Rogue start
>105 medic bag charges at floor 5
>still get btfo trying to melee enemies to death
welp

>>184061461
I'm starting to suspect it's a newb trap, you level up faster sure but it's like starting at level 0 and doesn't have any upgrades.

>>184060040
As far as the structures, this was just some really basic-ass proc gen for testing purposes. Obviously I'll have more advanced patterns as I go

Can someone give me the quick rundown on Infra Arcana?
I really like the aesthetics but it feels really weird ( for some reason I can't access the instruction manual in game )
Is there a MiBe equivalent that lets you learn the game?

>>184061661
Having more items is having more options which is always a good thing in my opinion. The faster EXP gain helps at first but all the Medic Bags, Gas Masks and Ammo really REALLY helps for when stealth fails you and combat is the only way out.

>>184061870
>Is there a MiBe equivalent that lets you learn the game?
You can be a double MiBe if you're a Ghoul.

>>184061870
Also press F1 during game to read the manual

>>184055047
Well, there is a hardcore mode that deletes the world if you die, but none of the baby faggots who play use it.

Just starting to get into RL, i'm trying out Brogue first. The game is really fun so far but the dead silence is putting me off.
Any recommendations for Dungeon Crawling music?

>>184063154
Look up Dungeon Synth on youtube, it's perfect for exactly that

>>184063395
fuck yeah my dude, thanks!

>>184063154
an anon posted this some threads ago and it's really good imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB5acxh6ER0

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One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong.

>>184063154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv0GdE236jI

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I'm engaging in some shenanigans to beat up Azog without any cure wounds or speed potions.

This little outcropping here is only 1 tile thick, and I can walk through walls. Each time he gets close to me I just walk to the other side, Azog has to walk the long way around to get at me again, and I get to take a few potshots at him with shard bolt. Then when he gets close I just walk through the wall again, he has to loop around to the other side, and the cycle repeats.

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posting and rolling

>>184067695
>warlock of firetop mountain
what the fuck, that's paid and not even a roguelike

>>184067695
rolling for inspo

>>184067906
oh, it actually is

http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Warlock_of_Firetop_Mountain

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Not sure on the weapon of choice. I want to give Vlad a fair fight, maybe Vladsbane is a bit too much.

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and I was doing so good to........man

IAdev what happens if you find a rod that doesn't activate near unopened containers or enemies or anything

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>The Forgotten Beast Page Ten has come!
>It was inevitable.

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Remember to ID potions before drinking them.

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>>184075487
>In a time before time I attacked me

>>184063154
search "Stripped" album by Christina Aguilera on youtube and put it on endless repeat

>>184079229
>>>/int/

>>184065057
How did you nab Python anon?

>play crawl until vaults
>tediousness of midgame draws me into a trance-like state
>get splatted by something avoidable
This is how I die every time. I just can't keep focused for that long, I should take a break but I never do.

>>184060040
I like this actually. Not for every room, but big rooms can be more challenging because you can't kite as easily and are forced into strategic combat

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>tfw no good mecha RL
>Cogmind is ass
>Gearhead is incomplete and hideously obtuse

>>184059704
Language boy?
>tf gonna finish combat fpv and asic map/ai today
>tfw then its a week of improving mechanics such as interactions
>a week for adding spells and crafting
>then a week for talent trees and more enemies
>then kym because as a huge nerd I want to make some sick ai with machine learning and crap like that

>>184087103
C++ with ncurses. I have several different RLs I want to make so I'm trying to make it possible to encapsulate both content and behaviour by making pretty much every mechanic configurable.

Not sure how much you've messed with machine learning but reinforcement training is a pretty cool approach. Good luck

Saw the discussion on the previous thread about manuscript/potion appearances, and if they were static between different runs.

Of course they are supposed to be randomized - this is just due to the RNG issue (which also always creates the same starting level depending on your class).

With v19.1, on some machines you're playing with a fixed seed (this did not occur on my Linux machine where I do 99% of the testing).

The RNG issue is mostly caused by how the C++11/14 randomness functionality can silently(!) fall back on using a fixed seed, if it cannot find a source of randomness:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18880654/why-do-i-get-the-same-sequence-for-every-run-with-stdrandom-device-with-mingw/18880689#18880689

>>184088513
>With v19.1, on some machines you're playing with a fixed seed
Sorry, I meant "with 19.0".

>>184088320
Not much at all, was told python has 800 billion things for machine learning so I went with it instead of learning c++ (already knowing python is a plus)

>>184088513
Fucking bravo C++.

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>>184088513
Is this option not supposed to do anything? Whenever I press enter on it, it just exits the menu

>>184088778
>Fucking bravo C++.
It's not a problem with C++ in general, it's just that the API for std::random_device would really benefit from some function call to check if really works - or if you are running on a fallback solution. Perhaps also terminate the program if you try to use it.

>>184088814
Yes this was just an oversight on my part. It will be fixed in v19.1.

>>184081861
I usually kill his allies and then break line of sight so I can have a go at him with a fresh party, he's a pain.

Alright guys, so I'm trying to add some new stuff to the forageable bushes in DDA and last night someone said to check forage.json but I don't have that file. Did they change where that stuff is decided in the latest experimentals, or something?

>>184090876
Uh no I can see it on the github but its recent so maybe your experimental is too old

>>184091256
Fug. It's probably that, I've had this one for a month or so now.

I found two old rogue like games that are 15 years old at least.

The first one is Daimonin and the second one is Racewarkingdoms.

The first one has isometric graphics and is a role playing game, while the second one is text based. The first one has a lot of stuff in it and gets really deep when you actually get into it, but, the controls are dumb, while the second one is like cookie clicker in some ways, but, is still a role playing game, and doesn't get too different near the end.

>>184088814
Is that Windows Vista? Sorry boy...

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>tfw frenzied drinker irl and in game

>>184089853
Hey IA dev! I've got a question- will there be further interaction with braziers or altars in the future, apart from +/-20 shock?

>>184096417
Nigga have you tried kicking a brazier. Sheeit.

>>184096417
>>184096734
Also try casting intrinsic spells (not from manuscripts) next to Altars and watch your spirit.

But yeah there could be some sort of sacrifice mechanic or something. Some day maybe.

>>184096734
No, I've not tried that. Does it have a similar effect to a molotov?
>>184097470
I've not yet played as occultist yet desu.
Re sacrifce mechanic, I think there are two solid, interesting routes to go down- one would be that the character cuts themselves and bleeds onto the altar, and then receives a small bonus for the rest of the level. The other would be like Ru in dcss; to permanently sacrifice a limb or body part, in order to get a permanent bonus. Also like, grabbing a bunch of corpses and throwing them on the altar...

>>184098030
>Also like, grabbing a bunch of corpses and throwing them on the altar...
This would be bad.

>>184098694
I'm spitballing. I'm not a game dev. The closest I've come to being a game dev is designing cards for a friend's CCG.

>continuously coming up with new ideas without doing anything

>>184099028
Oi! IA dev is a good boy. I, a person entirely unrelated to him, was just making suggestions. Fuck off.

>>184090876
It's data/json/itemgroups/forage.json - that defines where items will drop (foraging in the right season). You'll also need to define the item itself. Probably best to do it in multiple files - check out how other mods are structured.

>>184100082
Yeah, the version I was playing with didn't have that folder, unfortunately. I've updated now though and it all works fine, so thanks anyway!
For some reason it gives me 100 of the item (soybeans, for reference) in a plastic bag rather than just dropping one or two like I told it to though. Maybe something to do with me putting it in the spices json too? Does it do that by default with spices?

Anyway, I'm just fucking around to learn how it all works at the moment. Is there anything specific I have to do to make the game recognize a new mod, or should I just have at it? I've just been fucking around with the core files, so far.

Someone asked about unique artifacts in IA last thread. The Talisman of Resurrection saved me from a surprise encounter with Thing on D7. It works exactly like you'd expect.

>>184061461
Yeah, you need to make good use of all the ammo and guns lying around. And throwing knives. And rocks. Especially rocks.

>>184061870
War Veteran is the MiBe equivalent since you don't have to worry about losing turns switching weapons, and you can afford to take a good amount of damage and wounds. But the class you're "expected" to be playing by default is Rogue. After a while feel free to experiment with the squishy mage Occultist and the gimmick class, Ghoul.

>>184100535
I take it that's a new item you made? What did you base it on?

As I recall things are either defined as individual items that stack, or as a single collective item with a number of charges. Spices are probably the latter, so I'd guess it defaulted to that.

Pretty sure you can just make a new mod folder with all the others and it'll find it when you start the game. Just crib a modinfo.json off another one.

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>>184063154
https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/dungeonRPGSoundscapeGenerator.php
Pic related is what I use, you can also animate the sliders on Fast.

https://lordlovidicus.bandcamp.com/
Pretty fantastic fantasy music.

>>184064668
I know this is a matter of taste and all, but I think this soundtrack is shit. Would not recommend.

>>184070872
"WALK INTO FIRE Y/N" PROMPT SOON, ANON. SOON.

>>184101203
Coolio. I just threw together a quick item to test things, seeing if I could make soymilk as an item that had reasonable requirements and stuff, basically just wanted to know if I could make a source of milk that could be found renewably. Free soy-cheese!

A nearby /rlg/ rises and moves towards you!

>>184070872
>>184096156
what game is this??

>>184103221
>remove item from spices
>it stops spawning and spits out a shitload of errors
>"Ah, clearly I have to add it to the json with the rest of the food."
>no json for vegetable type items apparently
I don't want to just add it to the carnivore json, that'd be messy and out of place, this is the BLURST

>>184106034
There's comestibles.json. Which is not in the comestibles folder, obviously.

>>184106264
Ugh. I took a look at that too and just assumed it was all liquids. Thanks, anon!

>>184105695
Infra Arcana.

By the way, dev, is a gas mask not supposed to protect from gas traps (the kind that cause fear)?

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Is Tome4 meant to be played on "Heroic" or "Roguelike" mode? Heroic is default but I've heard a lot of people say Roguelike is bad because the game can just be randomly bullshit sometimes. Also is this the right idea for the possessor class? Using bodies as meatshields is a pretty cool gameplay mechanic.

>>184108090
>Heroic is default but I've heard a lot of people say Roguelike is bad because the game can just be randomly bullshit sometimes.
If you git truly gud, and by "gud" I mean "autistic", you can resist even bullshit.
If you're neurotypical like us mortals who don't worship sonic, you will randomly die to boss monsters who activate katana and keep teleporting behind you every turn while dealing huge damage and stunning you every other turn.

>>184108423
>infusions purge only 1 random status effect of it's type
>boss has an enchanted weapon or poison sustains or slime or something so when it hits you you're acided, poisoned, pinned, grappled, disarmed, on fire on top of stunned

>>184107225
>By the way, dev, is a gas mask not supposed to protect from gas traps (the kind that cause fear)?
They probably should! Added note.

>>184101823
I listened to this music and I went completely medieval! Almost trashed my apartment.

>>184108647
High level ToME gameplay involves casting track at least once per enemy and reading everything in boss monster statblocks.

Which roguelike has the best interior design?

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Flawless escape.

>play ghoul
>oops I read a manuscript of sacrifice life
well fuck

>>184115284
Yeah from what I've played it seems like War Vet>Occultist>Rogue>Ghoul. Ghoul is just so bad.

>>184115547
I actually got hilariously lucky. A wall collapsed right at the start of the next floor and gave me a dozen rats to eat.

>>184115690
hidden rats is a Ghoul's best friend. But when the wall falls and corpses shamble out it's a fucking nightmare

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>when you're in the club and there's no way out

alright what the fuck, do enemies get a free attack on you after you're wounded or some shit?

The level all my rogues start on due to broken RNG always has a second rod of cloud minds and a rod of blessing.

I can live with this.

>>184119960
Me too. And with Treasure Hunter you can get a Rod of Cloud Minds and a Spike Gun instead

>>184067695
rollin

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>both starting door lead right into a room full of axeniggers
real >"""((((fun)))"""
I managed to escape only to be oneshot by Keziah Mason's rat due to her chaincasting paralysis

>>184120539
>loud banging
brazzers.jpg

>>184064668
Starts shitty, gets better as it goes.
Not too shabby.

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>>184121732

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Bumping with some Lovecraftian nonsense

>>184120539
Honestly the reanimated dead needs to be toned down.
>Give them gimmick that makes them come back
>But make them always spawn in large enough numbers that the gimmick can usually be ignored because you'll be surrounded so you might as well just kill them all twice except the last.
I guessing you're supposed to run away from 90% of encounters.

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>>184123751

>>184124112
>dark pharaoh
WE

>>184124470
WUZ

>>184124112
>55' tall
>his height starts with a five
fucking manlet lmao

>>184124889
He can turn into 7' bearmode lanklet, though

>>184124889
Dont insult him or he will summon cyberdemons on your face

>>184108090
>"heroic"
People bitched too much about it being called adventure or something?

>>184123938
>>184120539
Reanimated corpses have already been nerfed a LOT. If memory serves me right, in older versions you had a 1/2 chance of destroying a corpse before it rose back up, and it JUST WOULDN'T DIE. Now you're almost guaranteed to be able to destroy a corpse before it rises back up, and it'll almost never rise up more than once.

They aren't such a big pain in the ass, remember:
-They're always slower than you. Get away and get them out of your sight so you don't go insane.
-Half the classes have molotovs, USE THEM.
-Bait the bastards to brasiers if you can.
-Use your colt. Use your iron spikes. Never engage in melee unless a corpse is near death AND alone AND unarmed.
-And don't underestimate the power of knives (even rocks sometimes, a well placed knife/rock can save you a bullet)
-19.0 just added metal grating and barred gates, which are fantastic for wrecking them at range while they bang at a jammed door

Bloated corpses are way nastier, though, fuck them. Especially when they show up in that already shitty collapsing wall event.

>>184129289
IA dev tell me how to play your game REEEEE
>Die to invisble shit that drains your spirit
>Die to animated undead
>Die to fucking locusts in an iron suit ( what the fuck it was an endless swarm of them )

But kudos on making it so most enemies matter and there is no dumb mindless xp popcorn.

Hey guys, I'm the one who started a channel with DCSS runs (mostly to get an idea of how YouTube works from the content creator side).

I finished my OpAe of Sif Muna 15 rune run last night if anybody is still interested (am uploading the last set of videos now - the rest should be up in an hour or so). I like to think I did an okay job of explaining challenges throughout the entire game - maybe it will help someone git gud. It starts here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMsy-NYl7_0

>>184130340
will you play Rogue?

>>184108783
haven't played your game yet, is it hard? is it like Rogue-Brogue? how much easier than Rogue?

>>184130839
The original? I've never played it but I could. I am into old school stuff, so it wouldn't be out of character for me. I was thinking of doing a little Master of Magic next, though (an ancient dos 4x game, not a roguelike.)

I may also start doing dev streams at some point (I am working on a roguelite game of my own).

>>184130340
>>184131201
I don't know man, watching people play video games instead of playing them myself is really fucking gay imo. My kids love watching Let's Plays! and whatnot but wtf all it makes me do it buy the game and force them to play it so they're not fags.

>>184129289
Zombies were scary at first, but then I remembered to literally walk away. Nowadays I'm more scared of ranged attackers like bloated corpses and spitting cobras early on. And of course being surrounded in a hallway by randomly triggered snakes.

Oh also do the laser guns from the mushroom men pierce armor or something?

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>>184131556
>laser guns
Electric Guns
>mushroom men
Those are Mi-Go

>>184131546
Fair viewpoint, but DCSS is a really complicated game. My videos are meant to be less of a traditional "Let's Play" and more of a guide to the various challenges.

For example let's say you usually have a ton of trouble on Vaults:5. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to pull up a vid on it with commentary on the various challenges, so you'd be a little more prepared?

Also, for what it's worth this is not the sort of thing where I mouthbreath, sing to myself, and laugh loudly at my own jokes (I hate this crap when I see it in videos.)

>>184131808
My, oh my! Kindly excuse my mistake, professor!

>>184055205
im enjoying tangledeep. The skills system is fun

>>184131883
>Also, for what it's worth this is not the sort of thing where I mouthbreath, sing to myself, and laugh loudly at my own jokes
whew thank god. I would probably recommend you to my kids if they weren't massive plebs who only watch videos of P4 and Dragon Quest. keep up the good work

Alright, I downloaded Demon. What am I in for?

>>184132474
probably a demon

>>184132474
You will have no problems on floor 1 but clearing floor 2 will take you about 30 tries

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>>184131556
>bloated corpses and spitting cobras early on. And of course being surrounded in a hallway by randomly triggered snakes.

God, exactly. This. Fucking surprise snakes are what have been ruining my best runs lately save for this specific piece of bullshittery (pic related), and that one time seven bloated corpses popped out of a collapsing wall like I implied earlier.

Also, just spitting cobras and ravens in general. Being blinded for multiple turns is the absolute worst status effect, and lone ravens have managed to kill me that way, so now I just mow them down from a distance with extreme prejudice.

>>184131945
Don't talk to me or my Mi-go's son ever again

>>184131201
you should at least give it a try because it takes 0 time to understand what's happening (unlike Nethack). And it is also the hardest one i've ever played. Brogue's difficulty is 0.28% Rogue's difficulty. (And the rng is controllable, that means it's not bullshit)
Obviously the best game ever existed.

>>184132951
>those fucking superraven birdniggers
please no

>>184130307
>Die to invisble shit that drains your spirit
Those are ghosts/phantasms. They are actually very easygoing and eager to leave you alone as soon as you manage to put even one tile of distance from it. They are always haunting same place and return to it after being lured away. Ghosts and phantasms cannot damage you physicaly, so it is safe to use sacrifice life if you desperately need more spirit. If you are slower than ghost and cannot shake it off then you can do two things. First - pop a smoke grenade. It will hide you and once ghost lose sight of you it will go back to its place. Second - pop a dynamite and place it so ghost will be caught by explosion. Dynamite can harm ghosts.

>Die to animated undead
>>184129289
Also you can just run and close doors as you go. They cannot open even unjammed doors and will have to bash it down which often costs them a lot of time. Version 19 significantly shortened their memory, so now its actually feasible.

>Die to fucking locusts in an iron suit ( what the fuck it was an endless swarm of them )
Locusts breed rapidly and endlessly. So without molotovs or Azathoth wraith its hard to subdue out-of-control swarm. Better just run and close door behind you.

Maybe I should play IA too. Im happy you fags arent talking about DCSS

>>184133459
Thank IA Dev for this, since he released v0.19 and all. All these non-DCSS games are p good.

>>184132951
>spitty snakes spawn around me
>oh god what do I do
>light molotov
>blinded
>throw
>AAARGH IT BURNS

>>184134490
If you have a gasmask - put it on. It will protect you from their blinding attempts. Same for ravens and dust vortexes.

>>184133098
My only issue is that I really hate playing console. It doesn't have a tileset, right?

>>184134816
it does, it looks the same as here >>184132951
:)
check http://oryxdesignlab.com/games/
hope you like it :)

>>184134680
>If you have a gasmask - put it on. It will protect you from their blinding attempts
remind me to put on every single gas mask I come across

>>184133728
>All these non-DCSS games are p good.
It's not that DCSS is bad, it's just refreshing to see something else.
You can't eat $ANONS_FAVORITE_FOOD all day every day.

>>184135509
I'll take a look! Thanks. Can't promise I'll post any videos of it soon, but I do like to try new (old?) things.

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>when you get to floor 8 in IA and find a croc mummy and his description tells you that you're not even halfway through this divehell

>>184136136
And anon can't discover new foods he likes if he eats that every day, either.

>>184135509
Brogue has tiles?

>>184137024
why yes, of course:)
the most beautiful i've ever seen!

>>184137327
Alright, I'll try that out later. I'm playing PCB now, just finished the Thief Hideout quest as a Tonberry Blood Knight, gonna level up some before doing the Warg quest.

>>184137749
Unless wargs one-hit you, probably faster to just bap them for the damage per hit and abuse stairs at low health.

>>184127925
It's still adventure I think I was thinking of something else.

>>184132474
Getting mauled by dogs in the forest and burned to death in an anomaly.

>>184139787
Seems fun.

Also, how do I get to the Warg quest location? I'm just going east along the road in the starting zone at the moment.

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I died like a dummy.

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>>184140316
I died to Brodda, the Easterling. RIP me, I could never find those Wargs.

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>two blue priests chaincast paralysis
thanks dev

>>184111762
>D:1 scroll of summoning
desperation

>I hear a loud Page Ten." (N)

IAdev is it true that standing in mud cures you of poison faster?

How do I git gud at IA?

>>184146226
run run run

>>184138181
in 6.0.0 you fail the warg quest if you leave the level before finishing

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This shit is unplayable. Fuck this. I'll wait until 19.1 before I even bother anymore

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Can't believe that happend. Is amulet of reflection really this good? In my older runs Nessos was a threat that I've taken seriously here he literally killed himself.

>>184147018
Good to know. I usually just play whatever version of R Float made before he went into witness protection.

>>184148029
Wait, witness protection? What happened? I'm not up to date on the lore.

>>184147380
Yep, reflection is good. Cyclops hitting themselves with large rocks is also pleasing. Also fuck Nessos.

pseudoelliposchengband is updated to the latest version
it doesn't have r's new artifacts/uniques or balance changes though

>>184148168
I was just making a shitty joke. Guy got busy IIRC.

still no crawl update except gnolls right?

>>184147154
There's a lot of bullshit in this game
>open tomb
>literally die running away from the ghost
I guess you're just not supposed to open tombs. Too bad that doesn't help again the ghosts randomly wandering around
>D1
>A group of animated dead in between you and the whole rest of the map
>You can waste resources getting through them
>Or you can just give up
Should have had better luck, kid.
>Enter room
>Suddenly a few enemies spawn to "ambush" you
No really why the fuck is this even in the game?

Seriously dev your level design and creature design are on point but you really need to work on the placement.
Literally my last run the first room had 3 of those snakes that blind you "ambush" me in the room I spawn in. So of course I run away...into a huge mob of animated dead.
I survived though, but it felt like bullshit considering it was only D2 or D3

>>184150717
I think one more universally accessible OH-SHIT-button would really help the game right now.

Do not hesitate to blow up a few zombies though, even if it's the first floor. You get a good amount of explosives.

>>184150717
Audibly chuckled

What do you mean by "placement" though? Are you talking about when snakes suddenly appear?

>>184151562
>What do you mean by "placement" though?
Early game there shouldn't be axe wielding animated dead and a narrow hallway and the rest of the map ( including the exit )
Change the placement algorithm so that huge squads of animated dead are less likely to spawn in regular areas of the map. Maybe increase their spawn rate behind blue doors in exchange.

>>184151382
Dynamite are a decent oh shit button. If only the timer wasn't so long.
Molotovs are far less good, the shit you want to use it on ( huge groups of undead) it's barely effective on. Sure it can kill the group but half of them will come right back up.

>>184152285
Molotovs are not effective against undead, indeed. I'm pretty sure they are supposed to be used against shit like quick-breeding worms and if you have to destroy multiple corpses quick. Maybe swarms of bats, too.

>>184130340
>>184131201
>>184131883
>>184130340

Went ahead and organized this into a playlist in case anyone is still interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMsy-NYl7_0&list=PLDaRV3E1eciZqM5V2FobDowRh_n-BDZPO

>>184151562
Yep, just got stuck in a corridor with the a group of byakhee between me and the stairs. I died of course.
This kind of game doesn't need random spawns after level generation, insanity already keeps you from staying on a level to restore life.

>>184153315
Take off the fucking trip retard.

>>184151562
IADev, can we get Tommy Gun drums to weigh more? Also since the M1911 and M1928 take the same ammo can we interchange the ammo between M1911 mags and M1928 drums? I know there certainly are limitations in place, and I don't expect to see a change by tomorrow or even 19.1, but it would be helpful for the long run. I always run out of M1911 mags and have tommy gun ammo laying around

>>184155518
Uhh... isn't that the actual use of a tripcode? To identify yourself when your identity actually matters? So for example somebody else can't post "fag nigger fag nigger tranny" and say he's that guy?

>>184155773
>identity actually matters
It doesn't.

>>184155773
>when the identity actually matters
the identity does not matter here, you are just posting a youtube link
there is no need to verify the poster of that post

>>184156082
>>184156096
OK fair enough

>>184152285
>>184154839
>>184155528
>all this terrible feedback
Being able to put 1911 bullets into tommy drums would be ridiculously OP.
The issue with the path to the stairs being blocked is more manageable by making more interconnected levels, monsters can always wander into a corridor.
Monsters should keep placing after level gen because it's scary and difficult to deal with.

>>184157063
Couldn't agree more to the last point.

I happen to have listened to the old roguelike radio interview with ia dev recently and back then he said enemies are more likely to spawn, the more of the level is explored. Really hope that is still the case, because it seems perfect for the game.

>>184157063
>>184157563
>Monsters should keep placing after level gen because it's scary and difficult to deal with.
No it's not all it leads to is either:
1a
>Whelp I finished the level. Oh, where did that trash come from
>*avoids and goes up the stairs* or *kill*
1b
>I finished the level where the fuck did those come from
2
>Fuck I can't finish this level I need to lea-
>Where the fuck did this bullshit come from
>*trapped between what you were already running from ( if you had the ability to defeat them you wouldn't be running ) and something else that will slow you down even if you can beat it*
>YOU DIED

Post generation monster spawns are just there to fuck you over with RNG with knowledge you can't possibly have. Adventuring into an unknown are you already know you don't know what is around the corner and prepare accordingly. All back spawns do is fuck you over after you should have been safe. With back spawns you can't even run away from a fight you are losing because you might aggro more things and make the situation worse so what ends up happening is even when you're losing you still fight praying to RNG god instead of running away like you should.

What have you been playing today, anon?

im on my 7th rip in tangledeep

all but two characters have died in dirtbeak's den. How the fuck do I beat this guy?

Also what should I multiclass my sworddancer into

>>184162543
I played some Demon.

>>184162543
Tome 4. Not sure if I like it or not, the game is really time consuming and every item and enemy has a shitload of mods to read through, I'm often not even sure if the items I find are an upgrade or downgrade half the time.

>>184162543
I strangled some innocents in DF and took a bolt in the brain

>>184163194
I got that from when I played that for a day. I might try it again. The skills and general balance seemed reaaaally different from most roguelikes though, for better or worse.

>>184163060
How did that go, anon? I downloaded that, Brogue tiles, and Rogue tiles today. The only notable roguelike I don't have is... NetHack, I think? When will /rlg/ post their roguelike folders?

>>184163364
Real roguelikes are free anon.

>>184163501
>spend thousands of hours developing this game for free, goy, while I eat like an effendi
no thanks fucker

>>184163364
>How did that go, anon?
I was having a decent melee magic crown run until splatting halfway through the game.

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>>184163349
I need to redownload that game. I've never gotten far in it, mostly due to the interface being some arcane mess. But I guess my experience with roguelikes should help. The level of simulation in that game, like the injury system, really amuses me.

>>184163501
You're right, anon. I got ToME's free version and have no plans on paying for it. That's why I don't pay a penny for them. I did pay for Dungeons of Dredmor, though. Maybe I should actually play it. The studio that made it went under fairly recently. I paid for a few roguelites,
too, but everyone knows those aren't real roguelikes.

>>184163659
Sorry to hear that, anon. I haven't played Demon yet, so I don't know what the melee magic crown is, but splatting is never fun.

>>184162543
Angband and splatting a lot because I am bad at video games

>>184162891
Use your damage consumables desu, the AoE ones are really good for picking off the minions

>>184146538
Don't worry about reaching 100% insanity death. Take your phobia or whatever in safe place and continue onward, slowly. Treat every door like there is a stack of shit about to hit you when you open it up. Be cognizant of what things spike your shock. Shotguns can blow open doors.

Hey IADev.
Are potions of descent working as intended? I'd chug one at highshock, go downstairs manually, and expect to be thrown down to the next floor.

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What's the consensus on Dungeonmans?

Asking for a friend.

>>184166683
Do not post sexualized children, you monster.

>>184166683
out of here.

>>184166683
arelgee hasnt played much of it
it's a funny game made by a goon so you may or may not absolutely hate it based on your sense of humor

>>184166801
>>184168727
That is the ideal female body. You may not like it, but that is what peak performance looks like

>>184169369
She's not old and fat enough.

>>184108090
ToME4 is meant to be played on normal-adventure for most non-retard OP classes.
Nightmare for the retard OP classes.
And above that for people that have time to look at everything and play methodically instead of retardrush around.

>>184108860
>Now you're remembering when skirmishers could be randbosses and uniques

>>184169764
Skirmisher rares in Norgos were literal avatars of "fuck you".

>>184169764
There are much worse evils than skirmishers
>pre-nerf oozemancer rares
>the older versions where enemy ability level scaling is out of control and everything randomly oneshots you
>worm that walks with arcane warrior skills that instagibs you with recursive spellcasting and attack proc loops

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>>184170461
>>worm that walks with arcane warrior skills that instagibs you with recursive spellcasting and attack proc loops
NO MORE

>>184170181
>Skirmisher snake/bee/otherfucking retarded high global speed faggotry
>>184170461
Oozemancer did nothing wrong KYS dorkgod and your magic goonies.
>Old worm that walks which was basically infinite to hit, infinite spawns and infinite fucking damage rape
Now they kind blow up like popcorn.

this is more fault than bullshit rng but i remember playing brawler with the whenever-you-punch-something-you-have-a-chance-to-punch-it-again prodigy and instantly dying from full hp by attacking a unique with a huge pile of do-damage-when-attacked auras

>>184170717
That guts rogues too. Mostly because rogues are crap.

Also
>Return damage exists
>But not for magic
>And marauder got nerfed silly
Uh, I wonder why at least 70% of the top classes are casters...

>>184170847
Casters are stronger in almost all roguelikes.

>>184171175
any game in whic FUCKING MAGIC POWERS MANIPULATING ANCIENT FORCEES BEYOND THE REALM OF MANKIND are inferior to "i hit it with a sharp iron stick" is a pretty stupid game

>>184170461
For a while I thought worms that walk were supposed to be something you only ran from.

>>184171373
Watch this post closely.
This is how realismfags ruin games whenever anyone cares about their opinions.

>>184171373
Because casting really powerful shit instantly with barely any costs makes so much sense...

>>184170847
>But not for magic
There are some high level enemies with that shit ass progidy that gives you a debuff that makes your spells randomly fail and deactivates random sustains. Also lmao mana clash draining all your resources, deactivating all your sustains because you ran out of mana and doing retarded amounts of damage

>>184171881
"Elegant tactical resources"-fags ruin way more games. Like DCSS.

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Quick, tell me a race and class to play in Angband!

>>184172256
Even thematically though "magic is the best at everything" is really stupid, having the most powerful force in your setting being something that is so poorly defined is just lame.

>>184173034
halftroll mage
FREE regen and +4str to carry books with

>>184172050
A skill and A prodigy.
Vs a very common ability.

Are Deep Elfs worth for anything?

If so, what for?

for lewd

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>>184173368
Farthest I've gotten in IA lads. What am I in for?

>>184172256
That's only because most people who make vidya are smart enough to disregard realismfag opinions.

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>>184173232
Thank you Anon! Here's to hoping I don't insta splat!

>>184173489
except Kevin

>>184173447
youre gonna get raped

>>184169764
replace normal and nightmare with insane and madness and you're almost right! dumb shitter

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>>184173447
End of the road for me. Was great to have gotten this far and seen such crazy shit.

>>184173896
You better have been out of dynamite and molotovs or you're a disgrace.

>>184174070
had two close calls with dynamite clearing away ghosts who were blocking paths to stairs (actually 1 of them wasn't blocking stairs but it was in the path of an undiscovered area, the stairs were hidden behind a secret door), molotovs to burn out Molds and Reanimated Corpses blocking stairs previously. had to drop my smoke grenades since I was getting heavy. Would have loved to have one right about the time I saw Major Chaplain. RIP in piss.

>>184170847
A fellow le /tg/ cuckold, have you prepped your mandigo bull tonight my fellow bbc addict?

>>184173878
Show em nightmare wins sissy boi.

Actual ToME4 difficulties
Normal-easy
Nightmare-Normal
Insane-Hard
Madness-HELLO DARKNESS IS THAT A RARE I SEE? FUCK.

>>184174553
Wrong

Normal = Normal
Nightmare and beyond = There must be more to life

Is there a roguelike with a lot of magic spells in which magic caster isn't hard as fuck?

>>184174553
Normal = neurotypical
Nightmare and up = I like trains and sonic

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how does one battle hordes of rats

>>184175360
Is there one where it is?

>>184176220
It looks like you're playing a roguelike game so you should be able to back into a hallway and fight all your enemies 1-on-1.

>>184177042
What other key than tab do I need to press to accomplish this?

are there any roguelikes where you can be a little boy hero

>>184178008
there's an elementary schooler profession in cdda

>>184175415
>>184175202
t. Minmay the brainlet

>>184176220
with that HP you're probably a rogue
pop Cloud Minds and walk backwards into the hallway and 1v1 any ratniggers who try and fuck with you if you can't escape them

IAdev why do guns work infinitely better at breaking doors when compared to melee weapons, does the weapon damage affect door breaking rates/

>>184178595
>Guns can break down doors
Really?
Can they open locked iron chests too?

>>184178954
>Can they open locked iron chests too?
Haven't tested. But compared to a Hatchet, an equipped, loaded M1911 breaks doors faster when bashing.

>decide to start up my old roguelike game project again
>load it up
>all I have is an isometric grid that generates with random heights per tile, flashes different colors, and has a final fantasy tactics sprite on each square

fucking kill me, I could have sworn I was further along than this

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First Nethack ascension. Thoroughly spoiled, lots of degenerate behaviour (like pudding farming, throne farming, polypiling the shit out of rocks so I got lots of gems, calling the priest names), no conduct being tracked, but I'm quite happy. The priest gave me two cents for an ale.

>>184180417
Congrats, Nethack is still one of my favorites. Fast paced but not dumbed down. Well except that stupid fucking maze but whatever.

>>184180417
>name censored out
why do you always do this fag
>>184180239
>random heights per tile
>final fantasy tactics
anon why

>try making animal control van in CataDDA
>animals escape every time I turn sideways
>double up on side panelling
>vehicle now looks absolutely fucking retarded
>3x3 aisle area enclosed in the back now becomes a 7x5 due to paneling
>vehicle now too long and wide to drive through town w/o crashing into everything
>hulk & co. fuck my shit up while I try and dislodge myself from a Wreckage consisting of an Ambulance and what appears to be an electric scooter
fucking rest in piece

>>184178127
Tell me more.

>>184180576
Thanks.

There are lots of things to improve on the game, though.
>Message spam
I felt like pressing Esc for any time too much was going on. It meant losing important messages, but to be honest I don't want to see "oh the giant beetle tried to hit the ant, but it missed" for the 100th time.
>Annoyances
Two things: Rodney and mysterious force. Neither actually bring you some real danger, at the end of the game you're already prepared for this kind of shit. But they keep annoying you over and over and over... like if they tried to extend the late game through repetitiveness. I think the first should be buffed, and the later simply removed.
>Team Ant
Too fast, hitting too hard, in too large of groups for too low levels. I get the game is unfair, but it's a bit too much. (Water Mocassins at least are our fault.)

Still, a solid game. I'm eager to get a "better" ascension, and eventually move to another game.

>>184181178
Privacy reasons. I'm just Anon here and I like that.

>>184181178
Final Fantasy Tactics has actual tactics in it, as opposed to "real roguelikes".

In fact there's nothing in your stupid Berlin Interpretation that forbids having a per-tile elevation variable.

>>184182021
>Berlin Interpretation
no no no that's not what I mean. It sounded so difficult that I was wondering why you were torturing yourself attempting to implement that

>>184180239
>be designing rogue like game
>you have to keep your lantern fueled up or else you can't see and get eaten by monsters
>make it so your body parts can be chopped off
>each hand has 1 slot to hold stuff in it
>1 for sword
>1 for shield
>not enough slots left for lantern
;_;

>>184164913
finally got him with some really nice gear. (two +20 strength peices so I can max the parry stat and a +%20 bonus damage to bandits piece helped a great deal)

>>184181864
well it starts you off with a school backpack but i dont think there's anything else special about it.
cdda doesn't actually model age or height or anything

>>184182103
>implying you can't hang it from your belt

>>184182103
>not dual wielding shields

>>184182103
shields are for soldiers not adventurers..

>>184182103
Flaming sword!

>>184182367
>not having a belt lantern with shields strapped to each arm and then holding a shield in both hands

>>184182021
>Final Fantasy Tactics has actual tactics in it
Not really. Like most SRPGs it's grossly imbalanced and makes it easy to trivialize battles through proper character building, so any challenge is self-imposed. Roguelikes are one of the genres I moved on to once I realized SRPGs would never live up to my expectations for them.

>>184182357
>hang a lantern on your crotch like a fanny pack
>girate to intimidate monsters

>>184182506
>not using lanterns as shields
O Valpurus, please don't simmer us in stock.

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Yeah lets pretend IA is not bullshit.
On both sides of these doors are a shit ton of scarabs, at least one snake(already killed) and at least one shadow
Already used cloud mind rod...it didn't work.
Only have dynamite. No more molotovs because of similar bullshit situations necessary to get to the stairs on previous levels.

Earth Elementals can still drink potions off of the floor just fine, thankfully

I had to modify my autopickup file to stop silently and automatically picking up potions though.

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>>184182809
whoops

>>184182763
>scarabs
oh no. oh wow. oh jeez. There's still a lot of bullshit I haven't found yet then

>>184183014
I actually managed to make it through with a well placed dynamite
Maybe it was just because the dodge reduction on iron armor was not worth the damage reduction against fucking bugs, because I survived this time.

>>184182096
Heightmaps aren't technically hard. What's the problem?

There a roguelike with similar character variety as Tome4 but that doesn't take hours and hours to play? Finally ran out of lives and while the game was interesting it isn't that fun.

>>184182640
how would u fix srpgs anon

>>184184091
Anytime I think of maps with high ground and games with high-ground being the advantageous position, it reminds me of all those games where high ground was the is all, end all for determining combat success and one man on a hill can destroy enemy tanks repeatedly without dying.
Just a kneejerk reaction on my part, forgive me

>>184182367
Which game did dualwielding shields best?

-Dredmore: Wield two shields while kicking everything to death with your amazing martial arts prowess.
-ADOM: Cower behind two shields because you are afraid of trees.
-PCB: Wield two shields, bash monsters' heads in with both of them while also inflicting near-permanent stun.