/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>183727637
First for IA

>>183727909
First for IA dev is /our guy/

>>183727637
Play Tangledeep.

>>183728056
It doesn't even look like the kind of game that belongs here.

>>183728056
I heard mixed opinions on it. Some classes seemed completely unviable, the art was the main draw while the gameplay was mediocre at best. I'll admit it looks very aesthetic, though. Other than gameplay, the whole costing money thing would probably put most people here off of it.

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this entire level is just full of ogres and trolls
aka "tanky melee-only enemy who dies to 2 casts of poison + kiting" and "tankier melee-only enemy with hp regen who dies to 3 casts of poison + kiting"

The ogre mages can cast slow which theoretically would be dangerous but they don't group up with their buddies and their AI never closes to melee range. So they just slow me while standing at the edge of my LOS and letting me zap them to death.

>>183725383
Wait so is 2-rune the hellcrawl equiv of 3-rune?

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>you can put a rune of quietus on a blank spell to turn it into a spell of guaranteed instadeath

>>183729032
What game?

>>183729425
Mercenary Knight or some shit.

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>>183729425
Dungeon Mercenary

Unfortunately the dungeon appears to be only 14 levels long. I only got to instagib 2 or 3 trolls with my fancy new toy.

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The kill count screen is bugged or something.
I killed dozens of goblins and kobolds and at least half a dozen baby dragons.

Final evaluation: game is waaaay too easy for ranged attackers. I won on literally my second character (first was a melee assassin who died on D:1 while i figured out the controls). I ran into only 2 enemy types that were actually dangerous at range: Kobold wizards, who cast firebolt but have no hp and die to anything, and the Young Vampire I met on D:3 that cast poison spells for 75% of my hp. (But I threw a potion of negation at it to make it permanently lose its spellcasting ability and then I kited it like anything else. )

>>183728476
Depths.
>>183728729
I'm pretty sure you get 0 points for anything other than getting every rune, of which I believe there are 12 (no tomb, no abyss? and only 1 S branch).

>>183728729
in hellcrawl you can win with 0 runes

>making a game with Jews as an enemy
They're (((goblins))) but with a lot of Jewish references.

>>183731258
Any screenshots yet?

>>183731258
>you hear somebody counting money

>>183732425
>you hear someone rubbing their hands together

>>183731258
Have their AI preferentially place them behind pillars

>>183733101
lol

>>183714908
I'm saying neither that bumping having a place is inherently bad nor that having a skill set is automatically good. I'm just saying that one of the ways for a game to be interesting to me is to have a good skill system, therefore a roguelike that emphasizes skill use is worth checking out at the bare minimum.

>>183734104
Try ToME, then?

>>183734595
I play a lot of T4, Demon, and OWH periodically already. T4 is fun but gets really samey because even though it has a lot of races/classes most of them are superficially different, and have skills/resources that ultimately do the same things. Indielikes generally don't have the replay power of classic roguelikes, but they usually do something that's interesting for a certain period of time.

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Has anyone made maps for Infra Arcana yet?
>>183727991
yes

>>183732482
>you hear the number six million being muttered over and over

>you pick up the orb of zion
>you hear a thunderous oy vey

>>183731258
>A small, ugly, hooknosed humanoid. It is obsessed with gold and large numbers, and constantly rubs its warty, boney hands together.

>"For loan oft loses both itself and friend, and borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry." -William Shakespeare

>>183739604
>you hear a muffled "ogh vggh" in the distance

>>183741135
>The ugly humanoid cries out as he attacks you

How to deal with Mind Eaters in IA? Found one on D4 and I'm currently hiding in a barred up room from it.

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Am I retarded? I died by Agent in the grass outside the starting zone. What am I supposed to do?

>>183744746
You attack him until he dies.

>>183744812
I can't see him because he's in the tall grass. Also, are there any tiles for PCB?

>>183744948
you should still be able to see things inside the tall grass right next to you, unless your torch or lantern burns out and you don't refuel it.

>>183745253
I have a lantern?

>>183743916
Only one I've managed to kill I moltov'd from across the room and shot it with my pistol.

did IA dev release a commit to hotfix something?

>>183745737
I just quaffed an invis pot, walked up behind it, then unloaded with my double barrel. Apparently that wasn't enough to I threw all my knives at it and then needed to hit it with a hammer.

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>>183741813
>>183741135
>>183739604
>>183739272
>>183738363
>>183732482
>>183732425
>>183731258

>>183745665
Press 'e' to see your equipped items.
You start the game with a torch, but you can buy oil lanterns from the general store (the shop with a 1).

You need a light source to see in the dark, which includes some dark places in dungeons plus the surface during nighttime and areas of magical darkness made by enemy spellcasters.
Also for some reason being in tall grass or trees counts as being in darkness.

Greaves IRL cover just the shins and are strapped to you right?

>>183747542
yeh
the piece of armor that goes on the actual feet is the sabaton

The streak is dead in my Demon runs.
After the fourth game my drive to play this game kinda crashed thanks to finding another addicting yet brief distraction and whatnot.
Also Windows bloody restarted my computer so the final score screenshot cannot be recovered.

>>183748842
Thank you for that clarification.

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>>183745738
19.1 hasn't been released, but some major fixes have been made before that hotfix in the meanwhile. Here's the pastebin for compiling for windows.
https://pastebin.com/S761eT4B

How do you "examine" things in Infra arcana? The pastebin advises you to examine tombs before you open them but I don't see that option in the keybindings, only the "view" option which is just looking around.

What version of Caves of Qud is the best, in your opinions? I've heard negative things about the Steam version, such as how it breaks some builds.

>>183750581
the finished version, which will never be released

>>183750561
benis in vagoo

>>183750561
Do *NOT* read the IA pastebin.
In fact we should just delete all the advice/strategy info from it for the next OP.

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>>183750561
You make new pastebin yourself because it's outdated as fuck. No more mold farming. I don't even think it's been put in there, it's so old.

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>>183751658
ponos in vagooo

>>183751836
>>183750561
>>183751658

Can you make a pastebin where anyone can edit? If not, what would be good for a document where anyone can edit and maintain it, so we could have current info on whatever games we pretend to play while playing DCSS instead?

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This shit is like old mind worms all over again lads.

>>183753173
>one nothing wrong with me

>>183753173
>>183753447
They're pretty not fun tbqh. IA Dev, any plans to make them a bit more balance, or any tips on how to deal with them?

NEW rlg META-PASTA WITH REMOVED IA PASTA: https://pastebin.com/8wMGdCiW

is it bad if I play IA Rogue with rushing Silent by Level 2 and then grabbing Electrically Inclined Level 3

>>183753603
They have enough HP to withstand two stabs from a +3 dagger, they have a paralyzing attack, they are faster than normal, they terrify, they max out shock in one turn, they can spawn on D:4.
At least 2 of these things need to change, unless you put them deep enough in the dungeon.

The only thing you can do is not have them spawn between you and the stairs.

And yet another issue is that everything they do spams -more- prompts.

I think the dev may as well have put a hunting horror with lower awareness on D:4 for all the interesting situations mind eaters provide.

>>183753665
Thanks, anon. Someone add this to the next thread when we get there Saturday or something.

>>183754013
is it bad if I play IA rogue with rushing Treasure Hunter by Level 1 and then grabbing Strong Back Level 3

How do you deal with invis shit in IA? Got to dungeon level 5 and then "whoops invis thing that's faster than you and phases through bullets ggnore"

>>183754492
yes

How the fuck do you get enough exp in IA to get any levels now that killing enemies doesn't net EXP? I'm always 1/2 the dungeon floor in Levels and I'm getting btfo hard

>>183755137
Explore. Find new enemy types, read runes, drink from fountains, identify potions/scrolls, etc.

>>183756178
I have done my best to do all of these. I even idle around after I have fully looted a map in hopes of catching new OoD spawns I haven't seen before (one game I caught Keziah and her Rat which was nice) and then sprinting to the stairs whenever I get the exp. But I'm still barely Level 4 by floor 8

>>183756281
1 level every two floors sounds about right.

>>183756178
>read runes
The monoliths, or can you read Elder Signs on the ground?

>>183756618
Monoliths. I haven't tried Elder Signs, I think those are traps?

>>183756592
If that's the best I can achieve, I will put more thought into longterm planning of traits and equipment based on what I discover by the time I hit Level 7 or 8.

>>183757264
Yeah. I'd say planning around 8 traits with consideration for the early game is what one ought to do.

>checks thread
>14 replies
>checks thread 7 hours later
>70 replies
Roguelikes confirmed for patrician's genre.

>>183757764
We've actually been talking about roguelikes, so it's slow.

>>183728663
>>183729590
So it's literally badBrogue with classes.
They should have called it Brogue++.

>>183753665
No, you mongoloid.

>>183747387
Does a lantern take up a weapon/shield slot?

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>>183761192
Press 'e' and look at your list of equipment slots.
You'll see that "light" is its own slot, so lanterns don't take up a weapon slot. Same goes for 'shooters' (bows/slings/crossbows).

>>183759247
The IA pasta is so out-dated as to be beyond useless.
We get questions about it all the time, and the best thing to do is to remove it and just have questions in the thread until someone feels like replacing it.

A lot better than misleading people until they have to come ask the questions anyway, IMO.

hjlkyubn

>>183764334
is this a new crawl enemy?

>>183739272
fucking lol

I started playing Chei my niggas

>>183754563
Ghosts? Either use smoke grenade to break sight contact with it (usually it leaves you alone after that) or use dynamite and put it to rest. Or simply avoid ghost rooms. They never move far from their spot (unless chasing you) and always return to it after calming down.

>>183761840
Alright, as long as it's not about pastas being spoilery like >>183751708 said.
I'm the general pasta page maintainer, I'll update the crossroads of infinite >fun before the new thread is made then.

>>183766585
Those posts are both me and my reasons for wanting it gone have nothing to do with spoilers, but rather the advice/strategy being straight up wrong.

>>183753173
>>183753603
>>183754135
>IA Dev, any plans to make them a bit more balance, or any tips on how to deal with them?
Yes, they have already been nerfed a bit:
>Mind Eaters are not allowed to attack or feed for a few turns after feeding (to avoid locking the player)

v19.1 is on the way:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/martin-tornqvist/ia/develop/res/release_history.txt

The Mind Eaters should probably be slower and have less HP as well.

>>183765306
>break sight contact with it
This. If you can't kill it, do whatever it takes to break line of sight with it.

>>183767469
What vidya you play on spare time? Do you just dev and debug AI all the time and that also counts as gaming too? I thought you are probably eating raw meat and doing spells, practicing occult rituals, just for fun.

>>183767950
>What vidya you play on spare time?
Currently playing lots of Brutal Doom.

But yeah development feels like a game as well.

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>>183768242
>Brutal Doom
My man!

>>183768242
You are sick sociopath. However, which is the best engine to play Brutal Doom with?

>>183768585
No idea, I just downloaded this - it works great and the maps are good:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/downloads/brutal-doom-hell-on-earth-starter-pack

>Using trips to talk about non-IA related stuff
>Not even talking about roguelikes

>>183769380
Doom is roguelike but without procedural dungeons, randomness and ascii graphics.

>>183769380
Yeah fuck off with that shit in my honest imo.

>>183769635
Doom is the Dark Souls of roguelikes.

>>183771005
that's spelunky though?

I've come to the conclusion that tangledeep sucks. The gameplay's just super fucking watered-down because stat investments mean so little, skills all have massive arbitrary cooldowns, and classes have almost nothing about them that alters the gameplay flow. Ranges are also tiny and enemies are fast, meaning everything ends up in melee before long. It's also one of those games where you just fight single enemy after single enemy because everything is a massive damage sponge.

>>183774068
Big surprise.

Don't die

>>183777297
Permadeath btw.

>>183774068
git gud

is there a Japanese rogue like community

>>183781403
Yes.

>>183782768
>is there a Japanese rogue like community
They play mostly Nethack, Angband and Elona.

>>183784064
This is how dungeon looks in Japanese Nethack version:
絵絵絵絵絵絵絵絵
っ....................っ
絵....................絵
絵........O.........絵
絵絵絵絵絵絵絵絵

That's why they are not that popular in Japan because translated versions are hard for eyes.

[Nethack] I got three pets, but I don't know what to do with them. Any idea? They're borderline annoying.

>green dragon - charmed to help against the hordes of a throne
>baby long worm - from some egg in my inventory
>ki-rin - from Medusa's Lair, charmed so I didn't need to fight it

>>183784215
>not using 画 for the doors

>>183784064
There's enough jap interest in Crawl to have their own server at least, isn't there?
Also, why the fuck do they like Angband?

>>183767469
>* Gargoyle - I'm happy with the behaviour of this one. It's much faster than you when moving, but when it swoops down to claw at you it must pause for a short while. The gargoyle can also fling bones.
>* Napalm launcher - Hehehe
I'm feeling a Blood vibe here.

>>183785303
What role are you?

Get a magic whistle and let them fuck around on a floor until you want to bring them with you to another floor
The long worm is worthless, let him die or leave it behind
Green dragon is still a dragon, so lots of hp for midgame, but watch out for his breath if you have no reflection or immunity. He's bound to die to the first minotaur you get
Ki-rin is amazing, don't underestimate it. Multiple attacks, high speed under constant haste and flight make it a great bodyguard, and if you can ride it it's the perfect mount

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>>183769380
>>183769635
Why not both?
https://drl.chaosforge.org/downloads
Been playing a little bit of this, it's pretty good shit.

>>183789145
>hell 3
>green armor
>not tactical armor
>not modded red armor
>just plain old green armor

>>183787693
I'm a wizard.

I guess I'll dump the worm and the dragon near my stash, and use only the ki-rin. I can't ride, but that's fine.

Thanks!

>>183789523
not me, but why not? challenges are fun

>>183785667
Because Angband is one of the best and oldest games out there. Beats DCSS 10 to 1 at least.

>play caves of qud
>finally make it across 6 day stilt
>rummage around the camp a bit
>start making my way back
>die of starvation 2 tiles away from marshes
fuck me

>>183789145
>https://drl.chaosforge.org/downloads
DoomRl is great, especially the music is surprisingly good. It hasn't been developed lately though? Sad. It works really well for what it is. I played the first versions when it didn't have fancy graphics but just ascii.

>>183792004
developer is busy making roguelikes MAINSTREAM

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How do I not starve/dehydrate to death in Caves of Qud? The game looks really fun but I never get enough look to stay alive for longer than a couple of days.

>>183792282
Are you sure that you have a properly pirated game?
There is a sneaky kike DRM thing that makes you not gain nutrition/water if the game detects it's pirated.

>>183792698
I bought the steam version

>caves of cuck
Not a roguelike

>>183793389
how so

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https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/20892#issuecomment-317653619

Is not nice to harass people.

>>183794167
So has Cata development always been this contentious or is this the culmination of frustrations that have been mounting for a long time?

>>183794780
Kevin has been slowly turning like this in the past year/year and a half.

>>183794167
Fucking lol. Kevin's time is coming

>>183794167
Where did the harassment happen? Was it because they mentioned Kevin by name?

>>183794780
It gets like that when one dev becomes an ass to almost everyone else involved
>KA101 banning the word "bitch" from forums because it's misogyny
>mugling enforcing his views on what is meaningful in the game, closing all PRs that go against it
>Kevin forcing features he likes against massive player consensus that those changes suck/are incomplete and thus suck
Two first cases ended up with the dev in question leaving.

>>183792698
So one anon gave use the beta via mediafire link and are you saying it's probably useless? I haven't played the game yet but I was planning to see what it's like.

>>183799108
Depends on how he got it. If he zipped up the legit game, it's not playable. If he found a cracked one, it is.
It's not hard to find cracked versions in google, though

>>183799332
Nevermind, I don't care. One launch was enough to tell me it's not for me. It's too..."indie like" which means it's pretentious and tries too hard. I'm not even sure if it's procedural at all. Whatever. I genuinely want to avoid this kind of games.

>>183799717
I don't give a damn about Qud either way, but it's pretty obvious you didn't give it an honest try. How the fuck is it "pretentious"?

>>183799920
Wait sec, I was talking about Cogmind, not Gud. Lel.

>>183799717
What does "tries to hard" mean? Isn't it good to try hard?

>>183801565
I'd assume it means focusing on some aspect of the game, but failing to account for its requirements.
Like hipstershit that tries to be have a meaningful political statement, but is also a indie pixel game and thus totally non-serious.

>>183784215
Really? Why would you need to use Jap characters for # and |?

Wait a minute I'm being memed aren't I ;_;

>>183801826
>bro force creators claim it's a commentary on American Imperialism
It's a game about blowing up shit with retro pixel graphics fucking pretentious faggots. I know that has nothing to do its roguelikes

>>183801924
>Wait a minute I'm being memed aren't I ;_;
Of course you are.

>>183802081
Judging from the game name, they're just memeing for shits and giggles.

>>183785810
Yes, the game started out as a BloodRL (basically DoomRL but for Blood).

There's still plenty of stuff from Blood in there.

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>>183784215
and now I want a roguelike where you fight giant 竜

>>183805715
That could be a cool gimmick.
Especially if it also had regular human letters
>pure latin alphabet critters are Tolkien-style fantasy and medieval knights
>moonrunes are those snake dragons, monkey gods, tigers, samurai, ninja
>slavrune baba yaga, drunks, bears, communists
>pictogram egyptian kangs
>endgame is fending off invasion of corrupting emoji normie demons

>>183800175
>>183799920
How are Qud and Cogmind pretentious?

>fire trap on first level in IA
>AAARGH IT BURNS
>ded

>>183807164
Fire is pretty deadly desu. Watch out for fire lever things, you can have them emit fire and turn them on and off with a lever. Wouldn't recommend leaving them on though.

>>183807428
but it was a trap that went off under me

>>183807860
Traps/stuff that can kill you early with no counterplay, like poison pots, are getting nerfed, maybe?

>>183807041
Not that guy, but there was a link to a cogmind beta in the last thread ans I assume that anon got it mixed up with Qud.

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>>183808472

>>183808832
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpurguX
I was too drunk to attach bigger image but I hope you read the synopsis. It is culturally important game for Finland and describes the country's culture in 100% truth.

>>183809619
Sven-Olof, an AIDS carrier. Infects the player character with AIDS.

>>183794780
NO. IT. WAS. NOT.

>>183794167
I remember CDDA several years ago. Was Kevin always such a faggot? I miss the days when it was developed by Whales, those were the times things seemed most optimistic. Whales was going to make a Cata 2 but gave up :/

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>made it to +20% movement skill
>squeeze by almost anything no problem, barely getting noticed
>still 1-shot by farmer with a shotgun
I have much to learn

>>183810938
>tfw no shotguns in dcss
Would be fun to BLOW THE FUCK OUT spriggans or boggarts

>>183810647
>Was Kevin always such a faggot?
He had better moments. At his best, he could be convinced to drop terrible ideas, without asslicking, just by explaining how do they suck.

At the moment he's a solipsist who knows better than his entire playerbase.

>>183811269
Scattershot, my dude

>>183810647
>>183811383
Autists are often like this. They only speak about their own ideas and they are better than anybody else's. However I don't know how open source the project is so... Who actually owns it.

>>183794167
>Disagree politely by pointing out flaws and trying to find a solution together
>Kevin starts screeching and shitting all over the keyboard
>I AM THE OWNER I MAKE THE RULES
>STOP RAPING ME WITH YOUR POSTS I'LL GET MY WIFE TO SHITPOST AT YOU

Cool Days Ahead. It's the only choice.

>>183814356
>Kevin's ego: smashed
This would be rude anon.

>>183813953
Camp Granada started the kickstarter for DDA four years ago promising fixed NPCs in two months and a fully bug free game in six months. They gave him 25 thousand $$$ to hire a competent coder who when he saw the code just said that he'd have to do everything back from scratch and it'd take a year. He gave himself the status of owner of the project, paid the coder with the money, refused to make a new code base and instead told him yo work with what he had. After a year the bugs were all there with new friends and NPCs hadn't been touched yet, but the kikestarter money had run out and the programmer just said " alright bye". So Kim Jon Kevin decided he'd get people to work for free for his game. All of them were idiots and most of them were innocuous enough, but the occasional programmer did come by and then just gave up soon after , sometimes chased out by kev kev himself. And when you get people who can't code and are obnoxious faggots like KA101 ( who went insane and created words like marksperson not to say MAN, may xe/xir rest in piss).
DDA is the result of horrible decisions and he is the captain that is driving the ship deeper and deeper into the shitstorm.

>>183815886
>still no z-levels yet
Also was the code really that bad that it HAD to be re-done? I don't see why the programmer he hired wanted to do that, what was so wrong with it?

>>183816323
Z-levels are there, just not complete
>Also was the code really that bad that it HAD to be re-done?
Parts of it are still Whales era relicts.

>>183816323
Not that anon but.

Is not that the code is that bad, is that the code was never intended for zlevels,(same with a lot of other parts of the game). That's why it would need a proper re-work from zero instead of using hacks to make it work like zlevels like Kevin wants.

>>183727637
>>183727637
New Angband comp:
FAAngband Druadan Ranger
http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php

>>183816858
Thanks, anon. It'll be added to the OP next time. I'll try to work on a pastebin for IA 0.19 later today, too.

>>183816697
>That's why it would need a proper re-work from zero
Nah
The game has some 2D design features which don't work that well in 3D, but most of the code works in 3D without hacks.

>>183815886
Sounds like a dangerous person. The one who shouldn't be dealing with any projects except their own. Well it's entertaining to watch from distance I guess.

>>183792004
the dev is making a sequel with all the doom stuff ripped out named Jupiter Hell, with the intention of selling it for $$$
sometimes he does development streams on twitch

>>183792282
buy food in the starting village
vinewafers are cheap as fuck and mehmet carries ~200 of them
eventually spend the 50 skillpoints or whatever on butchery and you will automatically turn some proportion of corpses into bacon

>Enter D1
>I sense an object of great power here! ---More---
>tfw manage to die like a little bitch
Damn it. I didn't deserve whatever it was.

>The cultist strikes me with a pistol!
>My leather jacket is torn apart!
This is still silly.

And just recently...
>There is a faint rumbling sound, like distant thunder.
>I feel anxious. ---More---
Well, THIS... this bodes well.

>>183750561
V to enter view mode, and then V again on the target.

>>183807041
They were both made by high-functioning adults who wanted to showcase their abilities as they strove for greater accomplishments, rather than sadbeards who shit out a bad roguelike right before committing suicide.

What should I buy in the starting area in PosChengBand?

>>183818247
depends on your class
you usually start naked except for a shirt so if you're a melee dude it can be a good idea to buy gloves/boots/hat/cloak for cheap

for maximum wizard shenanigans, spend all your starting money on teleport scrolls and then go cast magic missile on hydras

>>183818128
t. nodev

>>183816323
It's often just easier to write new code rather than try to understand and re-write someone else's. Especially if it's poorly written and even more poorly documented. Which most code is.

>>183817763
Ahh yeah I vaguely remember Jupiter Hell. Going to check youtube for footage. I guess it's a good idea, turn based tactical combat is really under-presented. And it's probably good way to milk his existing code base as I think DoomRL has the basic mechanics of the game engine in place already.

>>183818128
More like they were made by jewish goons who care more about shekels than the craft.

>>183818247
Teleport scroll and cure potions is what I try to buy with the starting gold. Staff of identify when you can afford it.

>>183818508
Even melee classes should honestly buy rocks/a bow and go shoot shit north of town. Nothing good on the first few floors of the dungeon anyway.

>molds overgrew everything in an IA level
>"alright, I'll burn them out"
>burning pylon set everything ablaze in IA level
kek

>>183822330
Post screens.

>>183767469
Sounds rad. I'm a bit worried about longer poison though, since it'll inflict more total shock.

Anyway, I just found out casting Bless next to a bad fountain turns it into a healing one. I love those little details.

>>183822410
already died a while ago and didn't bother to screen
also very pissed that summon traps will unleash cobras to autoblind you and no amount of rods of clear minds will save you from that bullshit

>>183767469
>Ghoul characters have +20% speed
>XP gained from Monoliths increased from 15% to 20%
fuck yeah, also is that +20% movement speed for Ghouls, attack speed? Both?

>>183823912
>Anyway, I just found out
Ah, cool that someone noticed!

>>183824727
Just plain +20% speed for all actions.

Also just pushed this change:
>Rod of Cloud Minds (which the Rogue starts with) now stores two charges, each charge requires 250 turns to finish (or 125 with the Electrically Inclined trait)

Should make the Rogue more interesting.

>>183825016
>each charge requires 250 turns to finish (or 125 with the Electrically Inclined trait)
That's going to help a lot senpai

>>183825070
Too long cooldown?

>>183825420
Not at all, having two charges is going to help with escaping. Cooldown shouldn't be a problem since I rush Elec. Inclined at level 2 anyway

>>183825773
It's okay anon, I've died to spraining before, too.

>>183825596
Oh, alright then. You only quoted the "cooldown" part, and not the "two charges" part, so I figured it was sarcasm.

>>183825942
That's my bad. I look forward to the rod having multiple charges, since that makes the burden of rushing to find a second rod less stressful.

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What should I drop?

>>183810647
Kevin worked on CDDA from the beginning, it's the name of the mod, Whales' original is just called Cataclysm.

>>183826615
Asbestos Suit

What have you guys been playing today? I started with some IA, then wanted to play some emulated notRoguelikes for a bit, probably going to give PosChengBand or CDDA another go today. Maybe Cogmind or Qud since I grabbed those from last thread.

>>183826982
Tangledeep

>>183824803
Add more of stuff. #dip function and tons of useless stuff too. Sacrificing and wishes. Also something esoteric like polymorphing. You could polymorph your equipment or even the whole level (in order to hopefully generate a rare spawn area).

What does it take for Occultists to get started in IA? I always seem to die earlier than every other class. Even though they have great starting exp.

>>183827624
But polymorphing level with powerful magic most often would lead to unexpected results and would generate hordes of monsters or something. The walls shape shift and lava will pour out. etc.

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Boy don't I just love dying from random encounters with snakes that I can't avoid or escape from (or heal from either)

>>183828541
Same thing just happened to me. Stepped on a tile and I got surrounded and gangbanged by surprise snakes.

I had herpetophobia so I guess it's a combination of bad luck and me deserving it.

>>183826982
I haven't played anything today, still depressed that I can't play blaster casters at all in crawl, even after 21 wins.

Does anyone know any babby tips playing FE?

>>183774068
How long have you played it for?

>used 24+ zaps and about 8+ wands all on Snek 4
>almost all my throwing axes are on Lair 4 still (got chased out by uniques)
>used almost all my piety
>got the rune
L-looks like I'm finally getting good at this game haha

>>183829618
I don't know shit since I've not won once, but, I'd suggest Sif, and diversifying into earth.

>>183826894
I know that anon but why would I clarify that senpai

>>183829618
are you properly abusing conjure flame
stick it in hallways to block weak enemies off while you pewpew them
or stick it between you and big fatties like ogres/hydras. if they have enough hp to not be afraid of entering a cloud, they won't even bother trying to path around it, so you don't actually need corridors to do this

when you have sticky flame you can kill tough melee enemies just by casting it, kiting for its duration, casting again, etc

>>183832813
I typically go for Ru and diversify into melee, but going for sif/vehumet is probably the easier path.

Magic needs a bettter interface tbqh, I can win like 3-4 melee games in the time it takes for me to get to midgame on a mage.

>>183833007
>>183829618
Oh, and combo conjure flame with sticky flame, and conjure flame with the spell wot makes enemies explode when they die.

>>183833007
I'm currently trying to win all species and the mage candidates are DE, Ba, Ko, Vp, Mf. I was trying to win BaFE but sticky flame kiting doesn't work as well if you're a slow species.

I'll probably try DEFE, since Ba,Ko,Vp,Mf can all be easily won as melee anyway.

>>183829618
oh yeah and basic caster 101: be paranoid about your mana
rest to full after every fight
if you get to ~half of your max MP and the fight doesn't look like it's about to immediately end, start literalwalkawaying to the staircase
if all your offense comes from spells, your MP bar is basically an HP bar, because if you're still in a fight when it runs out you are FUCKED

>>183833504
I GOT 2 RUNES 2 FUCKIN RUNES YEAAAAAAAAAAAH BBY HAHAHAHA

Pls no bully this is a major achievement for me. Should I clear elves or vault first?

don't know why I replied to you btw that was an accident but still 2 RUNES YEEEEEE BBY

>>183834565
Do V:1-4.

>>183834565
dont go to elf until you are prepared to accept the full girth of a crystal spear inside your body
your tiny virgin DEFE hp bar is not prepared

Is IA dev here? How did you started making roguelikes? Did you make your IA engine from scratch or did you start by modifying something to suit your needs, or followed some tutorial at first and then expanded it? Did you make few practice games/engines before IA? I'm thinking about dabbling something together with Python (as that's what I need in my work so I thought maybe hacking together something small is good practice. I only need to script some software using python and ruby/c like language so I don't need c++ as such).

How do I prevent shining eyes from mutating me

Is there any real disadvantage to just carrying around active Flares in IA instead of throwing them? I get the impression I'm "supposed" to throw them to light an area but it doesn't seem to do anything bad to just carry them around everywhere.

>>183837462
Pretty sure carrying a flare kills your stealth. So you are able to throw them to just leave one area lit for a while when you want to be stealthy elsewhere.

>>183606085
rollan

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Reposting this from the last thread so we can get more rolls

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>>183837947
>IA
fucking rigged, but alright. never got below floor 8 or so anyways.

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>>183838409
goddamnit

>>183838903
>meleeing explosive monsters
Interesting strategy, mind explaining your reasoning behind it?

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FTL ok? Hate stalemates.

>>183839157
Not OK.
Non turn based is haram and abomination.

>>183839157
FTL is a fine and dandy game, anon.

>>183839045
I'm an opportunist, it didn't see me and I got a FREE crit on it!
also I didn't remember that they explode

>>183839253
So all FF games with timers are abominations? Huh..

>>183839349
They're definitely not roguelikes.

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>>183810210
This is my favorite brand of /rlg/ shitpost right now.

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>Get cursed on the 4th floor opening a mummy Tomb
>Inexplicably survive till the 12th

Fuck your shit pharoah.

>>183794167
>adding more annoying bullshit in the name of "realism"
CDDA development hasn't changed a bit I see.

>>183839404
your original post implies the only problem with ftl was the fact it wasn't turn based and then you go on to only say that non tbs games are bad. You should use more concise vocabulary.

>>183839349
FTL isn't even based on Lord of the Rings. Why would you think that it's roguelike in any way?

>>183840124
what about games based on Pern
can those be roguelikes

>>183840367
Let's call them roguelites, just in case.

>>183840091
I'm not that guy.

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Does anyone have a decent torrent of Tangledeep?

Can't find one on the RUtracker

Will give cool webms in return

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>>183822330
>tfw no more mold mining for xp

>>183841187
>Will give cool webms in return
Get the fuck out holy shit
This is not /v/

Can FTL be discussed here or not? I get results showing FTL is and is not a rouge-like/lite

>>183841187
No. fuck off.
>>183841492
No. Fuck off.

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>>183841453
But I only go here

>>183841623
>>183841187
These aren't roguelikes at all. Also play a better game instead.

>>183841492
No but please watch as the thread dies and degenerates into blatant shitposting just to stay off of page 10 as the local retards fail to appreciate that their genre purity means that 4chan can't support a thread about a specific kind of game from the 1990s.

>>183842492
we're just afraid of BoI-posters

>>183842492
The sad truth

>>183842676
All roguelite posters can heck right off of this general.

>>183842492
>please watch as the thread dies and degenerates into blatant shitposting just to stay off of page 10
>4chan can't support a thread about a specific kind of game from the 1990s.
/rlg/ has lasted much longer than the roguelite general despite this. Also I personally like FTL but it's not a roguelike tbqphwyfampai

>>183842492
As long as it's truly turn-based, it's fine.

>>183842970
>implying not being turn-based is the problem with FTL, and not that it's extremely modal and doesn't have free movement

>>183842492
Nobody cares. Fuck off.

>>183842970
xcom is not a roguelike

>>183845559
Final Fantasy Tactics, though a good game, is not a roguelike, either.

>>183842830
was Azure Dreams considered a roguelite

I want to develop a game like that and shill it here but I'm afraid you guys will just call me a casual fagual

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Where can i download the latest crawl trunk? I wanna play with those static stats gnolls.

>>183846246
http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/

>>183845952
casual fagual

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>>183847104
MY GAME WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST AND NOW YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SEE IT BECAUSE I'M KILLING MYSELF

FUCK YOU

>>183847192
desu I looked up videos of Azure Dreams and it seemed alright. What in particular does it have that you want your game to have?

>>183846618
>http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/
Its not there, that version has not been updated in 2 months. The one online is different,

>>183847563
Oh shit. The devs have really dropped the ball there.

Well then you can either learn to compile DCSS, play online, or hope that someone comes around and shits out a precompiled version for whatever OS you use.

If you pick the last option, please don't sit around and beg.

Nevermind, I found it:
Windows Tiles:
http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/rss/crawl_tiles.php
Windows Console:
http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/rss/crawl.php

Else just click on the rss feed link from the main page.

>>183838256
rollin

>>183847389
Almost everything. I like the combination of roguelike and then using the money gained from your roguelike adventures to engage in citybuilding. If I threw in the relationships stuff too I can't imagine it wouldn't sell a lot (and I'd be like the only non-lefty developer for roguelikes - you better believe you could have a harem in my game.)

I'd switch up the actual roguelike mechanics a lot though. While I sort of like the pseudo-pokemon thing they have going on, I think I'd go in a different direction (maybe you build up your items instead between runs, or your magic, etc - or nothing at all).

I'd also make the citybuilding mechanic more in depth. More customizable.

Yo IADev. I can run the precompiled game that you released for 19.0, but I can't run when I build from source.

Someone mentioned that it might be my built-in intel card, but since the release version works, I think it might be a compilation flag issue?

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>>183849768
What happens when I run the debug script.

>>183849561
>you could have a harem
Would that be haram, though? You could do what the guy in the last thread planned on and make your goblins (((merchants))). I don't think meta-progression is halal around these parts, depends on how you do it though. City building could be neat, though. How would you customize the city building? How could you build up your items/magic between runs? NPCs? Merchants with personalities? Followers? How traditional do you want it to be versus how you want to have modern influences is probably the key question here. Then again I'm not a game dev and I only play vidya and can't into coding.

>>183850558
If you want to play, I compiled the latest github commit and changed some ambient and the intro music to my liking. Enjoy the dolphin porn.
https://my.mixtape.moe/zhnbqi.rar

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What did he mean by this?

>leather jacket torn part from one (1) bullet
>wounded
thanks dev. Any reason why enemies will appear 3 levels earlier than their usual floor? Mind Eater on level 2 and Wizard on Level 7 are lolworthy

>>183791012
This. Angband a beast beyond compare in the world of roguelikes.

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It goes deeper.

>>183856798
Wha da fugggg?

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Here come that boy

doing some post-orc shopping for my TrMo^Yred and i'm trying to decide between two amulets:

Reflect rElec rC+ Int+2 Dex+3 SH+6
RegenMP rPois rN+ Dex-4 Slay+6

normally slay+6 seems like a no-brainer, but it doesn't offer a lot else, and that other amulet has some very nice all-around benefits

>>183857246
"Trump" is one of the many types of magic in PCB. I suppose there is a tower somewhere in its massive map that is devoted to Trump.

>>183858392
What type of magic is Trump magic?
>inb4 memes

>>183850641
>roguelike game design is now solely based on whether or not a feature conforms to roguelike 'standards'

>>183858963
If it didn't conform to the standards, it'd be a roguelite, anon :^)

>>183858745
Summoning and some teleports I think. I try to avoid summoning characters in PCB as much as possible.

>>183794167
>>183814356
It's actually pretty disappointing that it went that direction, because his original rationale was fine. It was purely just a matter of application. Then again, CDDA's biggest issue has always been that having a dozen people doing their own shit with no real teamwork results in a lot of redundant and useless shit being done. I wouldn't be surprised if working in that kind of scenario for years causes someone's opinions of other devs to sour.

In any case, they should have just add informative messages/warnings based on how much medical skill you have. Someone with a certain level of medical skill will be able to tell how much painkiller is suicidal, as well how much painkiller is enough to complete self-surgery. Someone who doesn't would be guessworking their meds and at a higher risk of killing themselves. The main issue is probably that nobody was making constructive suggestions, it was just someone who wanted to implement an idea and others naming flaws and nobody actually trying to fix anything.

>>183860485
It doesn't fit the lore of the world and it's not a fun mechanic, so no, there's really no merit to the rationale and no need to offer a solution beyond "don't include it".

I got to 5 layers deep in Angband, still have no idea how to exit to world map or scroll manually or anything. At least I'm level 7. Is there an alignment system? Because it seems like there is. I saw something about losing my free will? I'm a human paladin, I wasn't sure what triggered that, maybe just murdering things? Also, what kind of stuff should be in the IA pastebin?

>>183857758
Top easily. Slay+6 Dex-4 is not that appealing on its own whereas the other amulet is quite good.

>>183861667
sweet, that's what i had been thinking but slay+6 was calling to me. thanks!

>>183860949
>doesn't fit the lore
In what way? Bionics have never been simple impants, you're literally hollowing out your chest cavity to shove shit inside it.
>isn't fun
How is it any more unfun than needing multiple ingredients to complete a crafting recipe?

On the contrary, having an excuse to expand the Medical skill with Knowledge:Medical style features sounds pretty fun.

>>183860996
>Also, what kind of stuff should be in the IA pastebin
survival tips and what not to do

>>183860996
>in Angband
are you playing PCB?
you sure you're not in Stronghold?
or are you playing no-wilderness mode which removes every dungeon other than Angband

>>183862616
CBMs are supposed to be kits with everything you need to install the bionic, which is why you never need any separate tools to install them or to stitch up the gigantic holes in your body afterwards
but they've decided now that the kits are actually "everything you need except painkillers"

>>183863354
Yes, I'm playing PCB. I'm in a town with no apparent exit. I might be playing a no wilderness mode by accident. I had no idea that was even an option.

>>183863459
i believe you can see your birth options by pressing something like =B
just look to see if no_wilderness is on or off

>>183862616
If they want realism over fun there's no way you should be able to self-install a CBM. There would be no reason for the pre-apocalypse world to design them that way.

>>183863448
Fair enough, but the issue may be that explanation doesn't make an awful lot of sense for the current game state. You can rip complete CBMs directly out of zombies, and no matter how you look at, it efficient design dictates people simply wouldn't be putting entire installation kits into their bodies.

Assuming it's still possible to harvest CBMs directly from corpses anyway, it's been a while. Zombie corpses are particularly questionable as well since that shit can't be sterile.

>>183863962
Needing painkillers for something is not inherently unfun, unless you automatically consider all requirements unfun in which case wizmode already exists. Painkillers are fucking everywhere anyway so it's not like it's even a significant cost if it works intuitively.

How does combat in Angband work? How do they make it so that there can be 1 million++ dungeons without turning all monsters in some dungeon into popcorn after beating a few that are harder? I've heard there's levels or something, do they just bump up the level?

>>183864290
But how is it any more fun? Especially as it's basically irrelevant as anything other than a noob trap to kill yourself with an overdose?
Re-defining requirements in the name of "realism" is simply obnoxious, especially when the result is no more realistic and doesn't actually introduce anything new. Adding local anaesthetics and making them a CBM requirement would have been fine, especially if they had some other uses.

>>183864573
Seconded this, I'd also like to know. I discovered the "m" key, and using my Paladin abilities seemed to go well.

>>183864726
>But how is it any more fun?
How is having to wear clothes, crafting weapons better than your fists, needing ammunition, or needing skills any more fun?
>Especially as it's basically irrelevant as anything other than a noob trap to kill yourself with an overdose?
Dying? In a roguelike? While trying to install generally-gamebreaking endgame character upgrades as a newbie? Oh the humanity.

>Re-defining requirements in the name of "realism" is simply obnoxious
CDDA is an immersive game, realism is inevitably part of immersion. This was going to become an issue the moment they added butcherable CBMs.

Local anesthetics are an option but, as it came up in the faggy dev argument we're talking about right now, it would basically be an entirely new, special-cased mechanic that functions independently from painkillers. It's doable but it just introduces a new set of issues that nobody bothered addressing. Besides, implementing a specific item you need to install CBMs creates more bloat than just making painkiller use for surgery more intuitive. I personally think that occam makes the painkiller solution more preferable to developing and polishing an entirely new class of meds.

>>183864573
Angband only has one dungeon, the eponymous "Angband."

>>183865537
CDDA is not a roguelike and instadeath is generally a bad thing, especially out of combat.

It doesn't seem like a good mechanic to have in CDDA.

>>183865537
Unless CDDA is going the super serious pr0skillz roguelike. Having insta death mechanics is a bad thing and isn't fun.

And if you want realism that bad, add anesthetics, it's not like one item will 'bloat' the game even more. Anything is better than noob traps.

>>183865663
>CDDA is not a roguelike
Then why are we talking about it right now?
>instadeath is generally a bad thing, especially out of combat.
That's why I think medical skill should also play a role in informing the player of doing shit related to drugs, basically serving as a D&D knowledge skill. Overdose is a threat regardless of if you're using CBMs, after all. If your character is popping a bunch of codeine with no pharmaceutical knowledge then frankly he deserves what happens to him, it's when medical skill doesn't guard against that happening that it becomes purely a meta knowledge issue rather than a game knowledge issue.

Hell, they could even put new CBMs into boxes together with readable instruction manuals, which tell you exactly how much medicine to use and how long to wait.

>>183865982
See, now you're just making opinions about the game's scope. Insta death is something that has existed in DDA long before this even came up.

>>183865548
Talking about the Angband variant with the dungeons and wilderness that gets posted here anon

>this entire shitstorm is become some shitters didn't know that painkillers take time to kick in
Holy shit how casual are DDAfags? Died to a new difficulty feature in a roguelike? Stop the fucking presses am I right?

>>183866271
And you are ignoring the bit about if what you want is 'muh realism' add anesthetics. Is not like one item will bloat the game to death.

>>183866434
Fuck off Kevin, no one likes you.

>>183865537
>How is [stuff] any more fun?
More options and stuff to do is fun. Merely adding an extra hurdle - which we've already concluded is barely relevant once you understand it - is not.
>Dying? In a roguelike?
Yes, silly "gotcha" deaths like this are a staple of the genre. That doesn't make them good design. It's also all the more obnoxious the longer a game lasts.
>Local anesthetics [...] would basically be an entirely new, special-cased mechanic
Or just an extra item you need to install a CBM, possibly with some extra effects. Which should probably be a generic CBM installation kit rather than just anaesthetic, but whatever.

>>183866093
If only there were a (good) CDDA dev here to read this and implement it, like Coolthulu.

>>183866434
t. Kevin

>>183866485
Whales here, the guy who made painkillers have delayed effect 5 years ago. How fucking bad are you at this game? Better remove hulks and instadeath car crashes because your precious pixels might get hurt by them too.

>>183866434
WORKING. AS. INTENDED.

>>183866714
>Whales here
This b8 is top notch. 10/10 anon, you'll be getting lots of (You)s tonight!

>>183866714
Fuck you too Whales.

You promised Cataclysm 2 to chicken out like a pussy.

>>183866434
We've already established it isn't a difficulty feature though, because it's trivial once you understand it. It's a realism "feature" and a noob trap.

>>183866485
>>183866673
>all this literalwho namedropping
I get it now, you're actually some CDDA dev and came here to bitch about your idea not being implemented aren't you? Stop thinking you're above the trash, you're all trash which is why the game has barely evolved past Whales' formula in years.

>>183866837
What was that tweet again? I think it was "I'm such a fucking failure" or something. RIP whales.

>>183867134
All this bickering is about adding a warning to painkillers that tell you they don't kick in immediately, right? I don play CDDA but if this is what the drama is about wow. These guys are more autistic than the DCSS devs.

Just make a game, don't obsess over little details to the point where you're not actually getting anything done.

>>183867134
>he doesn't know about the year long accuracy bug

>>183867371
In a nutshell:
>CBMs used to be rare as fuck and only found as loot, with the flavor that they included everything you needed to install them as a kit
>some point along DDA's casualization process they make it possible to butcher CBMs directly from shocker zombies (lolwut) fully usable like new CBMs
>Lead dev finally finds this unrealistic after months (years?), instead of changing the ability to butcher the CBMs from corpses he makes ALL CBMs into invasive surgery that require an undisclosed amount of painkillers to work
>idiots who somehow still didn't know painkillers have a delayed effect after all this time (since Whales cata) apparently suicide ingame en masse
>somehow specifically the fact that idiots are killing themselves with painkillers is the thing that people take the most issue with

tl;dr Everyone involved is a massive fucking faggot holy shit.

>>183867745
Oh, and the devs themselves got into an autistic argument about it on the git which somehow found its way over here.

>>183867745
Don't forget the lead dev's wife starts trolling in the subreddit defending her husband. And she even admits she is trolling and just there for the drama.

Roguelikes attracts a certain kind of autism.

>>183868028
"Community" projects (with no specific goal) attract that kind of autism. It always turns into a social circlejerk in the end. Same reason why Wikis are always full of drama.

>>183864573
>>183864739
A lot of the monsters *are* popcorn, really.

And you don't really fully clear levels in *Bands. For a lot of dungeons you will probably get yourself a staff of mapping or of stair detection and dive down fast rather than trying to explore every level.

>>183868294
Seems like this would work a lot better
>propose ideas to each other
>come up with a cohesive set of features for the next update(s)
>partition content to different devs

As opposed to this
>everyone makes random pull requests when they feel like adding shit

>>183868389
This is the one thing that's always bothered me about *band loot. Clearing floors stops being worth doing unless you get a special feeling since artifacts are far and away better than anything else.

>>183868635
>artifacts are far and away better than anything else
this is pretty true in vanilla but not so much in PCB
there are loads of powerful egos around

>>183868535
It's without a doubt more efficient to properly organize work, the problem is it's a lot harder to get people to work at all when they can't just do whatever they feel like doing regardless of what actually needs to be done.

>Jupiter Hell never ever

>>183871209
i dont like how the graphics look

page 10?

>>183867745
I always just took issue with the CBMs no longer giving you everything you needed, to be honest. I was fine with the idea of butchered bionics being dangerous to install, but the idea that these supposedly futuristic, over-the-counter DIY bionic kits require a horrendous amount of painkillers to use is bizarre. If nothing else, I don't think it's a very good idea to perform literal brain surgery on yourself while hopped up on tramadol, for example.

It made a lot more sense when they were automated, self-contained kits that did all the dangerous work for you, provided you were smart enough to set them up properly.

>minmay made a tome4 class
>literally 5 active skills
Guess the only non tedium class is out!

>>183875348
i tried it, it's boring af

>>183875826
Its fun to nuke saunas.
Also UP as hell.

>>183849768
>>183850558
You might have an old config file, try deleting it from the built game directory (the game will generate default settings then) - or remove the whole build directory.

>>183833125
use macros my nigga

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ok doggos are hard to shake

Father please forgive me, for I just faulted.

>>183875348
But is it good?

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>search roguelike on steam
>there isn't even an option to filter for turn-based

>>183878460
>minmay
>play tested by shitters on normal adventure/explore
Guess :^)

Pros:
Fun to see saunas blow up
Low tedium (hahaha)
Ok skills for antisustains/effects
Massive healing and dirext healing interaction
Ok immunities
Cons:
Healing is meaningless on difficulties above nightmare
Anti effects is trash
No real centered damage so no good damage above normal/nm
Proc based so DR/retard resist rapes you
Multi instance damage
No reason to go anything but dual mindand AM
No actives makes it v. Tedious funnily enough.
No saunas/adjacent enemies means NO damage.

>>183835521
I think he has mentioned making IA's engine from scratch, as his first experiment with C++.

>>183874892
This DESU, CBMs should be easy to install by any non-retarded character (albeit slowly; probably faster for someone with skills in first aid/electronics).
Hacked-off bionics from random zombies should be difficult to install, and they should be dangerous unless specific precautions are taken (however, I don't think painkillers are the solution).

>>183876634
Thanks, that works.

>>183878593
>search roguelike on steam
Why would you ever do this?

>>183867370
"I'm a fucking disgrace".
Which is true anyway. He really is.
He's also a drumpf supporter.

>>183880864
I can't hate whales, he created one of the best open-world roguelikes in existence and also created one of the funniest instances of Judo in video games.

>>183874892
You always needed a lot of skills (or amphetamines) to install them reliably, though.
I think cybernetics are a stupid idea in a post-apocalyptic setting, anyway. You can't have advanced medicine OR robotics when you're wandering alone in the ruins of civilization, so why not combine both?