Heroes of the Storm General - /hotsg/

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>nerfed arm
>nerfed quest
>ruined Pox Populi
So i guess i got for either the stun heal or the blind?

>>183927869
pox populi is still good
superstrain is also good depending on the matchup
universal carrier CAN work if you go for Excision and Reuptake
but i think it might be better to take Excision + One Good Spread now

>>183927869
no fool. build for trait, vigorous reuptake is still the best 4 in most situations

Basically what I've found with Stukov is if the enemy is largely burst go reuptake/universal carrier, if they're mostly sustain go one good spread+pox populi

I think that's where his real strength lies is he's able to adapt his healing as the draft sees fit

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>>183928147
>>183928294
Honestly im just happy they didnt overnerf him.
He still does his stuff just fine.

>>183928147
One good spread gives him massive sustain power early. Vigorous Reuptake is still a late game talent and Fetid Touch and trait CDR talent synergize were always the optimal output talents.

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You guys think Stukov will see esports play?
Isnt he too immobile+prone to getting bursted?

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There, are you people going to stop crying about Genji being broken and horrible unbalanced now?

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Reminder that this thing can save you from that "needing heal" ninja guy and towers

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>>183929335
They barely did anything to him.

>>183929335
>his winrate at shitter mmrs drops even lower
>annnnd nothing else changes
well designed hero desu

>>183929638
He will end up being the Medivh of assassins which is totally okay.

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>>183929335
the only significant change in that entire list is the dodge charges.

he's still broken. infinite mobility AND protection is just dumb as shit.

also, what is this fucking creature on my launcher. is blizzard on the gdq trannypanel now?

>>183929524
>>183929638
>>183929792
Why am I not surprised

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>>183929792
Whats blizzard obsession with trannies?

>>183929335
>not realizing what makes Genji problematic
Nice, dude.

>>183929759
Ye, with the popularity/success of low MMR Mings.

>tfw in an alternate universe I'm sucking valeera's perfect toes instead of shitposting on an anime discussion board.

>>183930249
>In an alternative universe Anon is still a degenerate
Some things never change

>>183928813
>too immobile
only if you play like a dumbass and sit still for 5 years channeling arm
yeah he has no mobility skills but neither does Uther (although uther is a lot tankier too)

>>183930249
in an alternate universe she immediately eviscerates you for trying to touch her

>>183929638
>nothing else changes
the nerf to dodge is a pretty big deal, you can actually kill him with AA assassins now if he gets disabled out of position

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>>183930056
>>183929792
>giving a shit about people doing things that don't affect you at all

>>183931006
you trannies out yourselves so hard on every single board

>>183931006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIsVGDq8nd8
You know,for kids!

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>>183931220
He has a point, and isn't it just the one tranny?

>>183931332
>that facial hair
>ratings disabled
sasusa

How good is the all Z team?

Kerrigan
Zagara
Dehaka
Abathur
Stukov

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>>183931332

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>>183931006
>>183931332
>>183930056
teehee anon i like you

>>183931006

degenerate spotted

isnt there a containment board you belong to? like /lgbt/ or /mlp?

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>>183931332
at least glorious trump btfo those retarded faggots by kicking them out of the military today. no more free mental retardation surgeries for them. maybe we can get trump to drone strike blizz hq

>being this obsessed over transsexuals
Why do you even care?

>>183932397
be like me i am very cool i care about nothing

nothing matters ever and nothing affects you

>>183929335

>don't nerf the main reason Genji is cancer
>Continue to allow him to be Mobility Creep: The Character

Nothing changed, senpai. He's going to continue to be cancer and continue to be the #1 or #2 most frequent ban in HL across all leagues.

>>183932523
How does being upset about trannies make your life any better?

>>183932523
I sure as fuck do not care about it in the heroes of the storm thread

Why do tranny haters always feel the need to bring up the fact they hate trannies?
Literally no one gives a shit, fuck off, keep that shit to /pol/ if you want to cirklejerk

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>>183932523

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>>183932523
>be passive
>bureaucracy fucks you so hard in the ass you become a tranny

I remember when I was 15 and thought hating everything with a passion made me appear more of a grown up

>>183932783
neck yourself tranny

>>183932783
Why do gays have to have parades.
What the fuck is black history month circlejerk.
>>183933015
I remember when i was 15 and they cancelled Megas XLR because Coop was fat and lazy.

>Introduce a genuinely cool orc for once.
>Doesn't matter, because Heroes of the Overwatch will still have nothing but two bikini lesbians every quickplay.

>>183932559
Good get

>>183932783
I would say go back to your circlejerk board, but you need a dick for that.

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if you think the mentally ill trannies in this thread are mad just go on twitter and check them chimping out over trump right now.

it is entirely relevant to hots because one of the abominations is on the launcher for hots every other day

Just fucking report these retards so we can go back to discussing best waifu

it's tyrande

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You glorious bastards. If we did this on /gsg/ janny would immediately scrub the tread.
>>183933345
>not Garrosh

>>183929335
the dodge nerf is an indirect nerf to his mobility. Used to be he could mount up mid combat and get pretty far with agile dismount because of all the stored dodge charges because attempts to dismount would miss but he only stores one instead of three now which makes it far less likely for him to get away with mounting before disengaging.

ofc I think swift as wind is the the popular level 1 talent now and previous nerfs to dodge had made it about on par with the deflect talent last patch iirc, so this latest change doesn't do anything beyond making perfect defense the goto level 7 talent now

tl;dr they just piled on more nerfs to a build that was already losing popularity and solidified the status of his newer build. The fact that he has deflect (and they've made his deflect build better by making dodge shitty) really doesn't detract from the aspects of his kit that make him problematic

I only started playing during that 2nd Anniversary Promotion and mainly stick to vs. AI modes since I don't want to shit up ranked/draft, so I'm talking out of my ass, but are newer characters just straight up better than older ones?

I picked the Support Set when I first started playing and Stukov feels better to play and more efficient than any other support hero I've played, with the exception of Morales.

>>183933345
>best waifu
>already in a committed relationship for 10,000 years

tyrandefags are cucks

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I am conflicted about what did this patch did to Chen, but more health for Muradin is always nice.

>>183933526
>Morales
You wot mate? Aurel

>>183933526
Yes and no, the original characters kinda defined the game, new heroes expand on it with new mechanics, but sometimes blizz fucks up and release a completely bullshit character genji


malthael


valeera

>>183933526
lol no

also get into ranked or at least unranked draft asap, don't worry about shitting anything up, just don't play qm

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>>183933539
Well she is a good wife if she wasn't loyal. I can appreciate her character without wanting to be with her. Too bad her daughter won't make it in the game since she is up for grabs.

>>183931006
>is on my launcher
>doestn affect me

fuck off. i have to look at that shit.

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>>183934043
>you will never live on Teldrassil

why isn't nazeebo an assassin

>>183934293
>having to look at people affects you
wooow
Do you complain as much about the other streamers? Cause I haven't seen any complaints about them so far today

>>183933526
yes/no
there have been some ludicrously good heroes released recently but many of them have been heavily nerfed after the initial rush, many older heroes have remained competitive, and the constant changes/reworks as well as constantly shifting meta mean that what is considered exceptionally good is changing every few months

see http://heroesofthestorm.gamepedia.com/List_of_heroes_by_release_date
Stukov is good, but doesn't blow all the other supports out of the water, many of them are reasonably competitive
Malthael was broken on release but subsequent nerfs have brought him to reasonable levels
Dva was reasonably good but not the best bruiser by any means but has been nerfed into meh status
Genji is very good and bliz is obv still struggling balance him (difficult considering he's hypothetically very good at high level play, but also very difficult to play, which means constant bans by high level players, but shitters bring down his winrate significantly because they can't play him which mucks up blizzard's data)
Cassia's bounced around the meta from top tier to good; Probius went from v good to eh, Lucio went from most dominant to basically useless

conversely heroes like malf, uther, arthas, stitches etc are constantly moving around but are currently considered to be strong

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>5 people attacking our fort
>Dva charges into them with a full energy bar
>Mech dies without her using self-destruct

as hammer in ranked, is it ever worth taking the life leech talent on 4 rather than focused attack? on one hand the leech is redundant if my support is on point and I do lose some damage, but the leech allows me better early laning and trading and feels really comfortable having (splash) self sustain so is it a noob trap or not?

>>183934816
>as hammer in ranked
Stopped reading right there

>>183934464
>bliz is obv still struggling balance him
I disagree, because Genji is a character that has no real strength and no real weakness

>>183934456
>Do you complain as much about the other streamers?

Because the other ones don't look disgusting, captain sweden.

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>>183934816
>having (splash) self sustain
pretty sure it doesn't work like that

aside from that, what do you take at 7 then?

>>183935223
So you're transphobic, shocker

>>183934464
How could Malthael be broken when he was countered by fucking Murky of all characters?

>>183929335
He burns about 30% more mana and dodge is much weaker. Those are significant, but he's still extremely mobile, has a PROTECTED button, and too much health for how mobile.
And don't pull the winrate card on me because you KNOW there are a ton of retarded Genji pickers out there. Not as bad as Stukov in that regard but still.

>>183935437
Malthael is not countered by Murky. He does %-based damage, but when your HP bar is as small as Murky's his Q actually fucking hurts.
Also the bigger deal is that he could literally rape your whole fucking team and heal through it by hitting R, holding down Q with his nose, and licking W and E while slamming the mouse on the table.

>>183934816
>>183934929
stop memeing, hammer may not be top tier, and probably shouldn't ever be picked before fifth pick, but she's a solid specialist who enables objective pushes on siege maps.

you should not be solo split pushing with Hammer, sustain is less important on her than you think unless you're playing QM. Generally speaking, you should be playing her as a better Raynor, constantly stutterstepping from backline behind your tanks, you've got a knockback to disengage divers, and the only time you should be sieging up is when you're absolutely 100% positive you won't get ganked/you're safe/you're surrounded by your team. I like taking First Aid at 7 just for those absolute oh shit moments, but the Z talent at 7 is a good alternative.

>>183935845
>Malthael is not countered by Murky
That's not what the community tells me

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>>183935382
>shocker

You got that right.

>>183936093
So now that we know that you have no other reason to hate trannies other than "eeww gross" can you just fuck off and leave your triggered little heart out of /hotsg/?

>>183934816
Sgt Hammer is bootleg less good Sylvannas/Raynor.

>>183935382
>transphobic
>implying it's bad
Nothing wrong with hating these freaks
I wonder if you're from Canada

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>>183934775
>Dva wastes a talent for clearing/pushing
>Just knock it right back into her gook face

Too bad her ult doesn't kill her like it used to do in OW.

>>183936304
>being triggered over someone's existence
Kek

>>183935437
the meta then heavily favored double (sometimes triple) tank/bruiser comps, with teamfights being dragged out slugfests, and his % based damage, self sustain and armor meant under the right circumstances he could engage and win/survive 1v3. He's never been a fantastic 1v1 duelist but he was head and shoulders above all the other bruiser/durable melee characters because he could drag out fights with them despite being outnumbered.

>>183936053
That's because they assume that since Malth is all %-based damage a hero with a tiny health pool would fuck him. Admittedly both of Murky's ults are really good against him but outside of that Murky can't really fight him.

>>183936462
But countered by Murky

Murky

>>183935382
Its a proper reaction to a mental disease.
Whats next, pedophobic?

>>183936614
Tentophammer and carbot both says Murky is a serious threat to Malth, would they lie to me?

>>183936862
>Tentophammer
>carbot

hahahahahha wow

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>>183936234
>you have no other reason to hate trannies other than "eeww gross"

I mean, I have more but most aren't related to hots. Beyond that though I just find it funny how hard Blizzard tries to prop these things up on twitch despite how quickly they end up getting kicked from whatever teams they join.

>>183936952
>>>/pol/

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>itt
>/pol/ thinks they have an enclave

>>183936668
Malth was ridiculous on release because he was designed to be anti-tank, in the same way you might draft Tychus as anti-tank, but Malth ended up being ludicrously good because of his above average durability with armor and sustain, in addition to also being good at waveclear, having no real mana issues (thus no need to back) and the fact remains that % based damage is still good even against squishier heroes

Murky isn't really a threat, he's just a waste of resources. Nobody is really 'good' against Murky in that his entire purpose is to be a drain on enemy resources/attention. It's not that Murky is 'good' vs other heroes, it's more that he's not worth fighting. You might as well say LiLi is a threat to Malthael because she can blind, does decent dmg and doesn't give enough health back on Q and can probably outtrade him 1v1.

>>183935437
Have you often seen Murky in ranked? Unlike Malthael he is rarely picked

>>183935845
>Not countered by Murky

My, oh my, you have no idea what the point of that "counter" is. He may do more damage with his Q to Murky but he has already trouble to kill that pufferfish alone, also his Q heals him by % hp of the enemy, which will give him vs Murky almost none of the HP back. Murky can just afk push the lane and Malthael won't be able to do shit about it, even if he kills Murky he will be almost dead and Murky will be back in 5 seconds.
You all are forgetting that Murky respawn timer, you know.

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>>183937129
>this is one of those people i have to share /hots/ general with

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>>183937342
>this is one of those people i have to share /hots/ general with

>>183937342
better him than that 'high IQ six figure salary' autist from last thread

>>183937269
>Have you often seen Murky in ranked? Unlike Malthael he is rarely picked
If only they diden't nerf him to the ground after his reworks, makes you wonder what the point of a rework is in the first place.

>>183937342
I'd rather have a guy tell /pol/ to fuck off than another /pol/yp shitting up our thread

okay but how do you guys feel about draft mode stealth and stuns though

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>>183937093
Sure you don't want to swap HotS™-related tranny stories?

Among my favorites will always be how one of Blizzard's first hots esports events included a team of Idra, a tranny, and the other biggest starcraft rejects they could find. It was like they gathered a bunch of zoo animals to play their new game.

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>>183937450
oh was that an actual person here
skipped over reading the novels that were being typed

>>183937665
agreed

>>183937614
I wish there will be such a rework to Genji aswell...
I mean removing 2 of 3 dodge charges is nice and all but it still doesn't fix how broken this mada mada fucker is
I mean something like his E shouldn't be able to go over terrain will already be a step in the right direction since he has already D spell to do this

>>183937734
all fine, stealth just needs to be changed so it's not irrelevant at high levels but a stomp at lower ones

>>183929335
Dodge nerf is the only nerf of note

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>>183938127

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>>183938127
Disgusting and why would you save that shit?

>tfw I was the first one to post the tranny in the last thread

Reminder that you can change your client language from English (US) to English (UK) and not have to look at any of these fucks.

>>183938484
Triggered people go far lengths to stay triggered

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>>183938127
Delete this.

>>183938565
Oh, that is interesting.

>>183938480
Me in the window

>>183938649
you, uh, don't belong here.

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>>183938127
Go back to /pol/ please, this is a videogames thread without your shitty trannies at all

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Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/

https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker

They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!

>>183938898
1 ban wasn't enough for you, dear spammer, you want another one?

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>>183938565
>I have to change my shit because some people are mentally ill

>pick Leoric
>win
really activates the almonds

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@183939000
>1 ban

>>183939008
or you could just click the arrow

honestly my eyes just glaze over seeing whatever streamer they currently have on there, I only really pay attention to the bnet launcher on the first day of a new hero/event/spotlight, don't know why people are acting like they have to stare at the launcher

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>queue up for ranked
>get a transvestite on the team who instalocks chromie
>"brb guys 10m have to remove the hairballs from my pseudovag"
>ai chromie proceeds to feed
>can't report because that would be a hate crime
>still carry because they didn't ban malth+uther

Remind me, why people think we're still in the stunlock meta? We're clearly in the "pick a broken combo you mental midgets+uther" era.

>>183938484
What did i miss?

>>183939540
Well you need the stunlock meta to counter Genji because as some clever people here said, to counter all you need is "just" to stun him :^)

>>183939540
Because the average 4chan player is gold and thei think stuns are broken.

>>183934456
>Cause I haven't seen any complaints about them so far today
because they've only been advertising the ugly trannies
i have yet to see a qt being advertised

>Play unranked draft, no one says anything in chat
>1min into match, ask 3stack to soak bot lane
>proceed to get flamed and told to kill myself all match.

2.0 was a mistake. I want the league shitters to leave.

>>183939046
Que?

>>183939540
b e a u t i f u l l y
c r a f t e d

>>183940326
>get flamed and told to kill myself

Yes, this is a new thing. Hots was always warm and fuzzy until Leaguebabs came and shit it up.

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>>183939540
>have to remove the hairballs from my pseudovag

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>pick broken shit like genji to stomp on shitters
>15/15/1 score
>double the damage of everyone in the game, ~60k
>practically solo push two forts
>still lose because three of your teammates, all around the core for whatever reason, don't see the solo valeera attacking your core even though you ping it for the retards while you're successfully killing the rest of the enemy team in the boss pit

I fucking hate this game. How is the player base seriously so fucking brain dead? I wish I had the time and energy to devote to playing dota or lol again.

>>183940454
ow loot and dyrus was a mistake

>>183940415
you have to go back senpai

>>183940454
It wasn't perfect, but it sure as hell wasn't every game. I often saw posts on reddit about how warm and welcoming hots was compared to league/dota where flaming was an every match thing.

>>183940594
Because the game never try to explain you anything, I don't even see the point of that retarded uther tutorial.

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>>183939540
>>183938127
ANON WAS RIGHT

>>183940629
Overwatch cross-promotions were the start of the shitfest. People feeding in every match cause "I JUST WANT MY SKIN & GOODIEBOXES"

"Lets make a 5man ai group and then feed!" "but wouldn't it be faster to just play the -" "NO WE FEEEEEEEED!"

>>183940703
That doesn't explain the complete and utter lack of awareness to things that are literally half a screen away from you and getting pinged.

>>183934816
i would only consider that talent in a 0-healer qm game

>>183940594
league is worse, it's just less noticeable since there is so little variance.

>>183932062
As I understand, they already weren't allowed to enlist as trans. Nothing changed there. Policies like that were implemented by Obama IIRC. The reason being the therapy and medical care required prevent you from serving, just like being colorblind, having depression or diabetes.

It was just people who were already in the military who decided to transition that got fucked. It's uncertain as to whether or not this will have them discharged for medical reasons.

>>183940657
Yeah, and they're continuing to experiment and integrate mechanics that lead to...issues. Like, in League you need to last hit minions. In Hots everything is shared, so people don't stroke out if you go into "their" lane, provided you aren't missing soak.

We're just getting stuff like globe quests, butcher passive/quest, Nazeebo passive, Ragnaros Q talent level 1, and so on. The kind of thing that can be fucked up by teammates.

>>183940867
>they didn't just do bot games
Overbabs, I swear.

>>183937269
he loses lane to murky yes
but his team can just put some other hero in that lane and everything'll be right as rain
murky doesn't do anything special to him in teamfights

>>183940013
Something related to this >>183939540

>>183941070
There used to be variety like Dota 2 went with balancing but they kept neutering characters until game became...unfun? Surrender button is worst idea ever.
>>183941253
Honestly i wouldnt trust a trans person to guard my ass in a war. You wouldnt let an unstable person enlist in army when no conscription is around anyway.

>>183937250
>Nobody is really 'good' against Murky
heroes who get stacks of shit from takedowns love him
ming gets free resets, alarak and tracer get free damage, butcher is just in heaven.

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>>183932559
>ban
>>183934464
>bans
>>183939000
>1 ban
>>183939217
>>1 ban
>>183939540
>ban
>>183937734
>stealth
>>183938145
>stealth

LOW IQ SHITS

GET OFF MY BOARD

>>183941070
Unfortunately not. This game is hundred times full of more genuine retards. I'd rather have all the stupid russians and brazilians than the monngoloids that this game seems to attract.

>>183941537
Really high quality post you got there, anon, here, you deserve a (You)

>>183941527
Murky with fishtank destroys on the other hand autoattack focused teams. I remember one diva who tried to 1v1 me (she lost mech, used explosion, attacked me as baby dva, then mech'd again, then baby dva again) and I didn't even lose 10% of my hp, that was so funny

>>183941257
I've only ever really had people fuck up by Q quest on rag. As far as Naz goes, they go "Oh hey, naz is our lategame win-condition, dont fuck up his farming" if they have half a brain. Butcher quest also isn't too bad because you don't need to last hit and smart teammates will stall lanes for you to doublesoak.

>>183941070
Hots has a bigger number of retards 100%. I've seen some shit in these matches.

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>make a break
>hey lets replay Sacred
>resolution is literally 1024x728
>HARDCODED INTO THE GAME

how do you guys see the time of the match after it ends?
and theres any way to disable those "free weekend heroe" icons?

>>183934816
>Life leech talent
Absolutely not. You should have a support. If you *need* sustain you take regen master at level 1.

>>183935949
Hammer basically does nothing better than Sylvanas does, and frequently has to be stationary to do it. In theory she does more damage in teamfights, but sylvanas provides more utility there with mind control / wailing arrow.

>>183936267
Exactly. Hammers only real "upside" is when you have a comp built around her, it's very hard to engage into her, but you could do the same thing with Raynor and have more damage (seasoned marskman and faster attack speed, which leads to more crits and more giantkiller) and better teamfighting ults while still being mobile.

>>183936668
He wasn't really countered by Murky. Murky is an annoyance, Malthael still killed him relatively handily in 1v1's because he didn't *need* his trait to do damage, he could just handle it with AA's and Q.

At best murky sandbagged the lane and then added camps to it. He didn't ever "win" lane vs malthael, he just stalled it out.

>>183941257
>they didn't just do bot games
>Overbabs, I swear.
Except they queued into bot games to feed. It was fucking surreal. They chimped out when you said 'Y'know you can actually win bot games faster than it takes to feed to a loss in them".

>>183942698
oh jeez that' something else

had a wow friend come over and go 0/24 in a shitty beginner bots game, couldn't stop laughing but also had three teammates doing the same

in the end bots had around 100 kills

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>>183942698
>>183943083
>tried to find that one post where Overwatch person complained tutorial was too hard
Anyone saved it?

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>>183943757

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>>183944371

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>>183943083
Did your friend get put on hanamura?

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>>183944371
Thanks

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Disregard shitposts, post waifus.

>>183945708
>High heavens in the streets
>and a Demon in the sheets.

>>183945708
the perspective with the devil one is all fucked up
especially the feet and head

>>183945904
the ass and tail, too.
an attempt was made.

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>>183945904
POST. WAIFUS.
>>183946190
NOT CRITIQUE.

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>>183946235

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>>183945708
You didn't say it has to be from hots

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>>183945708
Or husbando's.

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>>183946336
There's not enough johanna stuff out there. what i have is either too lewd, or already been posted a billion times.

>>183945708
>>183946235
I wonder if her human form is black aswell like Tyrael's

>>183947050
According to Brian they are all black
You could make a good joke as to why they can't keep demonic invasions at bay.

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>>183945708

cutest hero: auriel

this one is a fact, so please don't make a fool out of yourself and try to dispute it

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friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-_qEVW9I_A

>>183947050
her voice actress is black so you do the math

>>183948376
real FUCK THE ALLIANCE hours

>>183948376
Took them long enough.

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes/garrosh/

WITNESS ME

>>183948376
>He actually has Armor Up

Goddamn it Hearthstone.

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BAKA THIS NICCA DIABLO 2.0

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>>183948519
FORGOT THE WITNESSING SKIN
>warrior

wow this dude has piano skills out the A*S

>>183947840
>literally thought this was mercy at first

blonde woman is the same

>>183948376
>Doesn't actually use Rage
>Doesn't have any anti-mobility tools
>Abilities are all already in the game with slight twists

BLIZZAAAAAAARD

>>183948376
Hahaha that fucking flip. Jesus christ it's a better version diablo grab.

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HEY NOOOVAAAA
IT WOULD BE A REAL SHAME IF YOU INITIATED WITH YOUR TITS

>>183948694
Sick skin, wont get it right away but looks brutal.

>>183949098
This is literally the only fun thing about his entire kit. Next hero when?

>>183948376
dibbles and varian powercreeped right out of existence

>>183948376
That wrecking ball ability is going to cause so many greentext stories of your Garrosh throwing you in middle of the enemy team

>>183948694
If I pulled that off, would he die?

>>183949154
We dont have his full talents yet, he may have even better shenanigans. But holy shit the ability to throw allies is insane.

"FUCK YOU HAVE A BUTCHER" "HAHA NICE WALL SKELETON FAGGOT, WOULD BE A SHAME IF I TOSSED THE IMMOBILE RETARD YOU CAUGHT OUT OF IT".

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>>183948694
day 1 craft

TALENTS WHERE?

>>183949305
It would be an extremely rare drop.

>>183948519
>his E is Tiny's Toss
holy fuck amazing that's the most fun ability in dot-
>Can only throw enemies
never mind, fuck

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>>183948376
>AOE taunt heroic
>tossing allies into death
>Mad Max skin
Well I'm buying him on day one.

>>183949442
>Has a talent to let you throw allies. Demonstrates throwing a malthael at the entire enemy team.

>>183949442
See >>183949098

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>>183949442
>retards who comment before watching the video

>>183949442
Literally watch the spotlight you dumb Russian.

>>183949378
Good luck targeting the right target as it's the closest by friendly unit

Guys, GUYS!

Garrosh can LITERALLY throw games.

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>>183949636

>>183949636
hope i can pick up shitters on my team and throw them down the holes in some maps

>>183948376
Seems op as fuck especially with that trait. What does the armor cap out at?>>183948413

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>>183949636

>>183949783
>Throw ally into center of Haunted Mines
>They drop to the mine

Literally impossible but I can dream.

>>183949915
It's 1 armor for every 2% missing health, so 49% if you get down to 2% health.

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Is the Kraken Stukov skin worth it?

>>183946553
Everything I post has been posted forever, but I don't mind.

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>throw diablo into the enemy team
>he charges some poor sap back out with him

>>183945708
reminder that angels are beings of pure energy and auriel doesn't even have a vagina

Small thing I noticed in the video, armor values are now shown with a number next to the health bar, you can see it on the garrosh vs greymane segment. Greymane has a grey shield with 10 and a green + over it.

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Farmer Garrosh with his trusty pitchfork when

>>183950154
They're made of light, sound and (telekinetic) willpower. Besides auriel could just fashion a make-shift one from Al'maiesh.

>>183950330
oh shit that's what it was
i was thinking it was an indicator for some weird garrosh talent

Is garry's armor just against physical or is it abilities too?

>>183948376
Well, he's a tank. A hell of a tank.

We needed one. And that CC looks nuts.

>>183949915
But video says he has a relatively low health pool for a tank, seems like he'd get eaten alive by any hero with a reset mechanic. Doubt his trait will save him vs genji, ming, greymane, etc burst

>>183948376
>aoe taunt
really

>>183950565
It is generic armor, which applies to everything. It's only 1 per 2%hp missing, so if you were at 30% hp, you'd have 35 armor (70 / 2).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRJnnpj-NgE

>>183950565
Trait just says 'armor' so probably both.

>>183950629
He'll be like Anub, great in a team with little to no squishies and more melee and crap in a team where he actually needs to trade blows to peel for the squishy mages in his team.

>>183950763
His ultimate is "powerslide but you take damage and the aoe is slightly bigger"

unless he gets talents later on that give him benefits for getting hit

>>183950763
It does look significantly shorter and without charge, how the fuck is he going to get to the backline? I wouldn't worry about it.

>>183950565
It's armor (and not spell armor/physical armor) so works against both

>>183950763
>It's a shorter duration instant cast mosh-pit that causes garrosh to take damage from whatever attacks him.

Seems pretty fair, he doesn't have PROTECTED like varian so he might not want to over-pull.

garrosh looks fun, but why not just play diablo and do the exact same thing while being tankier and having better waveclear?

also brace yourselves anons, we're gonna get a bunch of horde fanboys in the coming weeks

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>>183948376
Well, that's disappointing.

Model and E looks neat, I guess.

>>183950924
His first ability is probably solid wave clear and he can flip way further. Plus, who knows, his Q flip might be really important.

>>183950767
That is op

>>183951013
>His first ability is probably solid wave clear
did you see the clip where they show healthbars
it does literally 0 damage
unless it has like a 3 second cooldown he does not have good waveclear

>>183950924
Well he does have better sustain with his lifesteal and unlike Diablo he aint soul dependent for mitigation.

Also its obviously a good pick for organized play because you can shovel people all day long.

>>183950924
>Diablo
>Waveclear

you what

>>183950924
to initiate fights diablo has to either charge into the enemy team or hope for someone dumb enough to let him walk into melee range

garrosh has a similar kind of super-aggressive "fuck this one particular person" deal going on with his Q-E combo but he can do it from farther away and without putting himself in as much danger

in exchange for that he's much squishier and has far less damage

>>183951013
It does 81 dmg. Stitches slam untalented does 104 and Jojo's condemn does 110 for comparison. Seems fairly average.

>>183948376
>Greymane 10
Is that an in-game indicator for armor? Brilliant.

>>183950565
Armor, which is both physical and magic.

>weaknesses
>siege damage
what did they mean by this

>>183950629
Relative to other solo tanks like mura or johanna so probably more than like dehaka

>>183951395
can't toss nerds over your wall if you have no wall?

or do they mean "he does no fucking damage at all so he's pretty useless at hitting buildings"

>>183951395
He can't see well like other tanks like etc or diablo

>>183951395
poor wave clear

Damn, so it turns out >>183842752 was telling the truth. Interesting.

>>183951340
>but he can do it from farther away

How? His Q's range didn't seem anywhere near as long as Diablo's.

>4[Active] Indomitable
Activate to become Unstoppable for 1.5 seconds.

>>183951605
Well he is not really a bruiser he is more of a solo tank.

>>183951605
Except he wasn't

>>183951395
Shitty structure/pve damage, not unlike, say, Valeera.

>>183951582
Yeah, and on top of his passive seems like he may just be a shitty soloq pick.

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>>183948376
The targeting system on his throw is very awkward. You pick where you want to throw the closest target instead of picking which target to throw.

>>183951605
No he wasn't, what the fuck? Not only is that post the vaguest shit ever he's also not a bruiser, sure as fuck can't 1v2, and doesn't have anything to counter mobile assassins.

>>183951720
What if it prioritized heroes over minions?

jesus those talents https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/2537/garrosh-full-talents-and-abilities-revealed

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The cooldown on bodycheck is like less than a second, or can be talented to be so apparently

>>183951643
diablo's Q moves diablo into the enemy team
garrosh's Q moves a victim into his team while leaving the rest of the enemy team far away
kinda like stitches hook but 1/4 the range and not a skillshot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-_qEVW9I_A

>>183951395
He's also more like diablo + varian

>>183951605
>hard counter to highly mobile assassins
>all his CC is displacement and slows
>highly mobile assassins dont give a fuck about displacement and slows
hmmm

>>183951720
how would you decide where to throw them then?

>>183951992
Shit, meant to reply to >>183951605

No peel aside from heroics and his throw which slows at point of impact and seems like it might have a longer cooldown because of how strong it potentially can be
Self sustain is % based off missing health, again sustain abilities usually have longer CDs which means using it earlier for less effect, or saving it for when lower health which is risky.
Ground breaker looks like decent initiation though it doesn't seem to have massive range and probably only catches tanks/frontliners.

Idk, he doesn't seem like he'd be better than any of the existing main tanks desu

>>183951852
then nobody would ever be able to attack Garrosh's gate without getting thrown into a fort and dying

>>183948376
>taunt ult is just varian's, except better
what the fuck blizzard?

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Fuck lads, Garrosh is wielding Gorehowl.... does that mean we won't see pic related?

>>183951720
You pick the target with your movement, same as lili's healing. Picking the target AND location would clunky as fuck.

If Garrosh's kit is based on hearthstone (tank with "armor up"), what is Anduin's gonna be?

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>>183951868

>[Active] Into the Fray
>Activate to throw a nearby ally and grant them 25 Armor for 3 seconds. Deals 91 damage to nearby enemies upon impact and Slows them by 30% for 2.5 seconds. While in flight, allied Heroes are Unstoppable.

this gon b gud

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>>183951852
It would be much better if you could precisely pick which target to throw and have the throw go the full distance directly behind garrosh every time.

>>183951868
>[W] In for the Kill
Increase Bloodthirst’s damage against non-Heroes by 60% Killing enemies with Bloodthirst resets its cooldown and refunds its Mana cost.

Okay so his waveclear ain't so terrible after all.

>>183952383
Then it'd just be Diablo's E, dummy.

>>183952306
Healer with heals!

>>183952336
>nerf Matlhael's self-armor from Tormented Souls
>This will exist
Can Blizz do ANYTHING right???

>>183952273
Sorry, man. They made their decision.

I do find it amusing that his title in this game is just "Son of Hellscream". You know Hellscream, the good one? He's his son.

>>183952267
>[R1] Death Wish
Increase the duration of Warlord’s Challenge by 0.5 seconds. If an enemy Hero is killed while affected by Warlord’s challenge, its cooldown is reduced by 45 seconds.
>Warlord's Challenge
>Cooldown: 50 seconds
woah

>>183952528
uther has been giving people 25 armor for ages, Malth could get way fucking more and also heal with Q

>>183952273
Their silhouettes are different enough and grom has hair, so we could still see Grom, who would be more of a bruiser character.

Also we now have a proper orc tank for orc team.
>Garrosh - Tank
>Gul'dan - Assassin/mage
>Thrall - Assassin/bruiser
>Rehgar - Support
>Samuro - Assassin/Pve

We could even swap out for some old horde and put Zul'jin in there, or Cho'gall. Rexxar would also be a decent replacement for Samuro. Just have Garrosh throw the fucking bear at them

>>183952703
But it's not a fuckhuge ranged engage
This will be though

>>183952737
This team looks good as fuck to be honest
>Throw samuro in during team fight
>BLADESTORM

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>>183952683
>its cooldown is reduced by 45 seconds.
>Cooldown: 50 seconds
>woah

So Garrosh is the new pre-rework Artanis? becomes increasingly harder to kill the lower his hp, yet get to retain his trait with a shield from Tassadar/Zarya/Aba

>LITERALLY a better self cleanse at level 4

w e w

>>183952812
Earthquake + Bladestorm. Jesus Christ.

>throw has 16s cooldown

>>183952976
Self cleanse at 4 and cleanse at 7.

>>183953021
SERVE BENEATH THE HORDE OR BE CRUSHED BY IT

>>183953114
>16 [Q] Mortal Combo
> If Wrecking Ball is used on a Hero within 2 seconds of pulling them with Groundbreaker, Wrecking Ball’s cooldown is reduced by 10 seconds.

>7Into the Fray
>Activate to throw a nearby ally and grant them 25 Armor for 3 seconds. Deals 91 damage to nearby enemies upon impact and Slows them by 30% for 2.5 seconds. While in flight, allied Heroes are Unstoppable.
>16 Mortal Combo
>If Wrecking Ball is used on a Hero within 2 seconds of pulling them with Groundbreaker, Wrecking Ball’s cooldown is reduced by 10 seconds.
>16 Earthshaker
Wrecking Ball Stuns enemies near the impact area for 0.75 seconds.
I guess dive meta is back

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>>183948863

>>183952434
It'd be similar but imagine trying to use this throw on someone who's in a minion wave, or who's surrounded by other players, or who's just running away. You'd have to constantly click forward to move and click backward to throw

>Q is stitches slam with a pull added to it
>W is stitches devour
So it's Stitches with hook replaced with the toss and different ultis

>>183952952
Yeah, but intake'll be a bit smoother as you can't simply apply CC after he triggers his passive and blow him up due to lack of shield.

next hero teaser when

>>183952737
would get destroyed by the elf team desu

>Tyrande
>Malfurion
>Illidan
>Valeera
>Kael Thas

3 talents for body check (one to take it, two to enhance). I think they might eventually end up doing a rework where they make body check a baseline ability similar to xul's bone shield (technically he loses a level 1 for it).

>>183951939
Normally it's 20.
With the level 7 talent it's 1.

it's neat that they gave garrosh a talented ability that has further talents to improve it

by neat I mean shit. Unless Body Check is just slam jam pick 100% of the time best talent in tier.

>>183953318
>they don't even have a tank
laughingorcs.jpg

>>183948376
>he's a fucking tank and not a carry who rips people's faces off like he fucking should be
I hate this fucking game and the fucking devs who ruin it at every chance they have. I was about to drop $100 on this game just because Garrosh is my fav character in all of Blizzard, but fuck them.

Eat shit, Blizzard. Bye.

>>183953254
Devour is % of max health on v long cd that can be talented shorter. Bloodthirst is % of missing health on long cd that can be talented for instant reset. Doubt ground breaker will be even remotely close to having the playmaking potential of hook considering hook can pull through terrain and easily isolate from outside vision radius. They're seem to have very different kits desu

>get near garrosh's tower
>get thrown into the fucking moon

>>183953570
>just because Garrosh is my fav character in all of Blizzard

Imagine being this much of a contrarian.

>boot up launcher
>Spotlight: Garrosh
"Oh fuck yes!"
>solo tank, initiation, CC
"nice, nice, I didn't expect him to be too offense-focused since he is a tank after all"
>Hearthstone passive
"hmm... ok...."
>different version of Johanna's W
"hmm...."
>worse version of Butcher's Brand/Stitches' Devour
"......"
>really bad version of Tiny's Toss
"..........."
>AoE taunt
"that seems good at least"
>useless second ult
>literally not a single gameplay allusion to how he played in SoO or Sha corruption or Iron Horde
>not a single Arms warrior skill (Bloodthirst has always been Fury)
>not even a Sha-corrupted alternate skin

Welp... can't say I'm excited.

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> Unrequited

A wizard of great skill and power, [Kael] became a high-ranking member of the Kirin Tor. His continuing magical studies brought him to the Violet Citadel, where he met Lady Jaina Proudmoore while she was still an apprentice. He was immediately drawn to the brilliant and lovely teenager, though the difference between their ages filled him with guilt and self-doubt. Eventually he courted her; however, he had little success in winning her regard. She remained dedicated to her craft above all else.

When rumors began to circulate that Jaina had given her heart to Prince Arthas Menethil, Kael'thas was deeply grieved. In time Jaina and Arthas parted ways, but it was all too obvious to Kael'thas that they still cherished feelings for one another. Kael'thas and Jaina would never have more than an awkward friendship.

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>>183953769
>WoWfags BTFO
Thank you based Blizzard

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TIGHT BELF PUSSY BELONGS TO THE ORCS ELFBOI

I am very sad Garrosh didn't get Rupture or Culling Blade as ults.
instead he gets what is a basic ability in other games.

>>183952428
Unless the minion wave is already near death, that's still not gonna help.

That's only 200ish damage to a single minion.

is garrosh in the game?

he's one of my favorite orcs, I liked him when he wasn't evil in wow

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>>183945708
they modeled her ass so well considering it's under her skirt 99.9% of the time

Why was Xul nerfed? I thought he was in a good place already?

>bloodthirst 12s cd
>talent to reduce it by 2s every basic attack
>talent to make it heal 10% of max health over 3s
He is going to be a pain in the ass to kill if you can't burst him down or CC long enough

>Decimate 3 charges 8s cooldown
>each Hero hit reduces the cooldown by 1 second
>level 20 upgrade Heroes hit by Decimate deal 20% less damage for 3 seconds
You can basically reduce the enemy teams damage by 20% for the whole time you are fighting

>>183954149
he sure is bub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-_qEVW9I_A

>>183953769
Yeah I'm not too hyped for him anymore. Doesn't look bad but ehhh, he could've been so much more.

>>183946394
good taste friendo

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oh boy who's ready for moba fights

>>183954056
hey don't be rude to Toss
it has 3x the range and does way more damage than this skill
plus tiny has an actual stun too

>>183954149
no, they release the hero spotlight but he won't be added for a week or two

>>183954171
>implying anyone actually spent time on that instead of just building the hero specific bits on top of an already made model

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>>183954417
Times like these are why I'm glad I main Memeslug

>>183954430
well, I was referring to Berserker's Call, as I was talking about ults

>Warlord’s Challenge (R)
>Silence nearby Heroes and force them to attack Garrosh for 1.5 seconds.
>- Cost: 40
>- Cooldown: 50

>Berserker's Call
>Axe taunts nearby enemy units, forcing them to attack him, while he gains bonus armor during the duration.
>Cast Animation: 0.4+0.5
>Radius: 300
>Armor Bonus: 40
>Duration: 2/2.4/2.8/3.2
>CD: 16/14/12/10
>Cost 80/90/100/110

>Test out nazeebo after patch
>All these stacks
Goddamn, how did this go unfixed for so long?

>>183954596
oh god dont remind me about how bad this game's stuns are it just makes me sad

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>>183954525
She has fucking panty lines. Also, contrast to Defense of the Zero Effort.

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>Garrosh's kit
I'm in love
Take me warchief!

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>No Y'Shaarj shit
>Just all Orc beatdown

Couldn't be happier.

>>183954714
Stuns seem so short that I feel like Cleanse would require starcraft-gook levels of reaction times, so I never pick it.

>>183954597
this holy fuck

i was wondering why people were complaining about not getting 175 stacks and thought they were shitters. but it's so much easier now so they mightve had a point

I called it with Garrosh basically being Axe/Darius. Well, split into the taunt and spin parts for his ultimate. With Huskar passive and two abilities from Smite's Hercules.

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>>183945708
my husbando

>>183954994
they're short but a ton of them are also telegraphed to all hell so it ends up being super easy to cleanse
and anyway, it's easier timing than using Nightmare to dodge spells

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>>183954960
I'm glad they are not using the sha shit but his alt skin should have been sha related.

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>Garrosh throw you into the enemy
>Nazeebo walls you in with them

They are both on your team. I can just see the amount of abuse this will get.