/sthg/ - Sonic the Hedgehog General

El Grand Gordo's overrated

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We'll take it from here.

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sonic universe

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>>181966715
because reasons

How many Zones do you think Sonic Mania's final release will have?

>>181966996
15

>>181966996
At least 4

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>>181966913
The game will never be out. Even if it was out there will never be enough seed.

>>181966996
Probably about 9 or 10.

>>181966996
9

>>181966996
21

>>181966996
Not enough.

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Did you ever make it here without Team Chaotix?

>>181966996
More than 3&K.

>>181967263
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>>181967153
Didn't Iizuka say Sonic Mania would have more zones than any classic Sonic game? Even assuming S3&K doesn't count as one game, Sonic 2 has 11 zones.

>>181967320
11*

>>181967413
I hope that's true. Just thinking about it is making my testicles tingle.

>>181966996
>post yfw Iizuka lied & we've already seen all the stages for Mania

>>181967367
yeah
you needed to find a switch earlier in the level, right?

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>>181967568

>>181967367
I've never even seen it until this picture. Isn't that the area that's blocked by a laser grid? How the fuck do you even disable it?

>>181967568
I don't want to jinx it but knowing Taxman, I'm sure we're in for some holy shit moments that they've been keeping from us. I mean how many of the heavies have we seen, two?

>>181967626
>>181967716
As Team Sonic or Dark there is a switch you have to press to disable the laser gate. The locations are different for those two teams, but they're both on pinball tables and very difficult to spot. You can also abuse invincibility frames from damage along with the Rocket Accel to bug your way past the lasers.

As Team Chaotix, you can just go invisible with Espio and walk through the lasers. Team Rose's level ends before this section appears.

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Mario and Sonic at the Rio Olympics actually has some pretty good dialouge.

>>181966996
52

>>181968207
I never put much time into exploring those stages because the pinball physics are so infuriating.

>>181967646
Golden Rodent

>>181968469
Post some more pls

>>181966996
100

>>181968469
Classic Sonic is fixing everything by himself.

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>>181968469

>>181968469
Besides the awkward phrasing, it's a sweet conversation

>>181968469
>tfw she said classic Sonic
>I thought this was generations

What the fuck has this series done to me?

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>>181968802

>>181969125
fantastic

>>181969349
Rio had fantastic music. Do you have any favorites, anon?

>>181969341
The phrasing is weird but I think she's trying to say it's typical of Sonic to run off alone. Not gonna lie, it does sound like she's talking about Classic Sonic.

>>181966996
>mfw there's at least 20 zones

My dick might actually explode.

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>>181969125
Fuckin saved

>>181969593
Not in particular but I did enjoy the soundtrack as well as the gameplay. It was one of the better olympic games.

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>>181969125
Y-You take that back...

>>181970606
FORCES WOULD BE A BETTER GAME WITHOUT YOU. YOU ARE MEANINGLESS.

>>181970606
Why are you crying, gerbil?

>>181970606
So cute when you cry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cfzMNcybs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOhhBcTRJDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkyNwc9EqZ0

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>>181946581
>I'm surprised no one tried to use this in argument to seriously "prove" shadamy is canon.

We're not that deluded. We just like triggering Sonamyfags.

>implying shadow gives a fuck about romance or sex
He just wants to be left alone.

>>181970606
Sonic looks cute when he's crying like a bitch

>>181971637
>We're not that deluded
Well, some of you aren't.

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>>181971637
I don't care about shippings but Shadow and Amy form an nice original duo

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What does /sthg/ think of RadicalSoda?

>>181972403
So is he a tranny or what? Why the thumbnail clickbait.

>>181972403
Who?

>>181971759
This. I just can't see him caring about that stuff, which is why I don't ship him with anyone.

>>181972521
Apparently his previous thumbnails looked like girls and people kept bringing it up, so he just turned his artwork into a girl to mess with people.

>>181972403
Who?

>>181972260
While I've never gotten the appeal of ShadAmy as a pairing, I do like some of their interactions in Universe. Amy having nice little friendships with Knuckles & Shadow is pretty neat.

>>181972704
Yeah, I like it as a friendship type of deal. Otherwise, her heart belongs to Sonic.

>>181972403
Why does his thumbnail avatar have boobs?

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>>181971759
Maybe Shadow just wants to beat Sonic in one domain and then realized he couldn't be back alone anymore

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>>181972701

>>181973031
>Maybe Shadow just wants to beat Sonic in one domain
But he's already more powerful than Sonic. Besides, he has Rouge & Omega. That faker isn't alone

>>181972403
Huh?

>>181969125
That's gonna be used so much, I can already tell

Forces seems to be getting a lot more negative impressions lately.

>>181974268
I wonder how good or bad previous Modern games were received in the months leading up to release. It feels like the co-existence of Mania has sparked some debate.

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>>181974268
Casuals are trying in vain to force another Lost World, nothing biggie

>>181974268
Well, between the inclusion of Classic Sonic, it being a Modern Sonic game in a time where the "Sonic was never good meme" is popular, & certain sections of the fanbase not really caring for Boost, it's not surprising. That being said, looking at YT the Forces vids have more likes than dislikes & vids like the one that shat on Forces that was posted a few threads back has been disliked to hell. I think when it's all said & done, the game won't be "another 06 or Rise of Lyric or worse than both," but it will be a game that people either like or don't.

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>>181968469
>>181968802

>>181974421
Doing a search on Colors preview impressions, they were pretty positive on the game.

>>181975049
Tails, you are his BEST FRIEND.

You can see him AT ANY TIME.

>>181975049
Tails gay for Sonic confirmed?

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>>181975210
Classic Sonic kicked him out of the Best Friend And Sidekick title.

>>181975076
Makes sense. People went crazy for daytime Unleashed stages, and I remember the marketing for Colors going 'we're making a full game out of it.'

>>181975049
That's kinda cute.
>>181975210
He meant as competitors.
>>181975213
Don't ship the bromance anon.

>>181975049
>Tails is nervous to see Sonic
It's official: Tails is gay for Sonic.

>>181975076
The most recent Sonic game that would probably have similar reactions to Forces, I would say is maybe Unleashed. While a lot of people loved the Boost in that game, there was a ton of people shitting on it for the Werehog.

>>181973031

I never liked how Shadow, Omega, and rouge we thrown into the whole Gun plotline in the comic.

It felt like Flynn barely had an idea of what to do with them so he put them in a box.

>>181975354
Loot at that smug rat. How dare you take Tails' place!

>>181974421
Mania is gonna be significant, solely because people will compare the two titles. As happy as I am to get Mania soon, I think it would've been a better move for it to be announced after Forces dropped.

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>>181975373
>Implying they aren't best ship

>>181975213
he's just a dumb fanboy.
>they looked at each other so they must be gay
back to tumblr

For anyone here not in the know, Lange is currently in a /v/ thread answering questions about Sonic Utopia.

>>181975373
not even a shipper but Sonic and Tails makes a whole lot more sense especially comparing to other Sonic gay ships and is definitely better fitting than Sonic and Shadow

>>181975685
ok

>>181975512
I think a big reason for the comparisons is because as soon as Mania dropped, they revealed that Classic will be teaming up with Modern again in the then Project 2017. Sega's gone on about how the two games are meant to appeal to different groups of the fandom, but Forces is clearly trying to appeal as broadly as possible, including the people who are targets of Mania. So the whole 'two cakes' deal has put the multiple kinds of play styles Sonic has had over the years back into the spotlight.

>>181975213
it's just the most powerful friendship in vidya history

when i was a kid and beat sonic 2 i thought it was such a cute ending

>>181976159
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwgvk9tbqY

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>>181923870
T-thanks

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Why do people hate this issue?
This was my favorite one as a kid.

>>181976971
It made Sally look like an unstable bitch, which is unfortunate because she wasn't like that in SatAm.

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>>181975049

>>181975049
I knew Tails was a faggot for Sonic.

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LOL

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TAKE THIS TAKE THIS
TAKE THIS TAKE THIS

HAR HAR HAR

>>181977929
This is a fucking disgrace to Julian's memory.
I have a soft spot for the fat bastard, say what you will about Penders, but he made a good enough villain. Bit generic, but he knew how to play his own little game.
>"JUST REMEMBER SONIC, YOU LIVE BECAUSE OF ME"

If Julian was alive, he'd kill himself all over again.

>>181977415
Where is this from?

>>181977415
It sounds like Sonic is tsundere for Amy. He acts like he can't stand her but deep down he likes her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LAMtxECpvw
does anyone else here really like the demos?

>>181967413

He said more stages, not zones. Sonic 2 has a total of 20 stages, so even 10 regular-sized zones plus a one stage final act would beat that number.

I am expecting 11 zones myself though, based on the given ratio of old to new and the idea that 5 HBHs = 5 new zones.

>>181977649
Stop pushing the upper limits of autism. If someone added in Julie-Su this would be a WMD and copy right infringement

>>181978206
Sonic 06 internal documents. It's the same place where the said Silver was based off Trunks and Blaze was insecure about her chest size.

>>181978275
whatever the case, he'll never ever let her tie him down

>>181977649
>Maria the Hedgehog
Holy shit that's extra autistic.

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Who would you want to see playable in a potential Sonic Mania 2?

Or who do you think would deserve to be playable in another Classic themed Sonic game?

>>181978851
Well, let's go through the choices. Classic Amy could definitely be possible. There's Bean and Bark, Ray the Squirrel, the Chaotix with a Mighty skin for Sonic, Metal Sonic, Eggman, and that's it. Unless they get creative and Classify(?) Modern characters which I would be down with.

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>>181978392

>>181978851
I think that if Amy were to be playable again, she could be the hard mode. Since Mania gave Sonic the Drop Dash, Amy's Piko-Piko Hammer could bring back the Insta-shield, being mechanically identical to it, just with a hammer coat of paint. Take away the ability to Spin Dash, let her attack with her hammer like in Adventure 1 to jump. I do think, however, that she should be able to curl up into a ball when jumping and rolling, like the other characters. The classic games are kinda all about being a ball, and I could never really like that aspect of playing as Amy in 2D games. I get Amy is a hard mode in Advance, but I think that can be achieved while still being loyal to how the core game plays. Basically make her the Sonic from Sonic 1.

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>>181979426
you've doomed us all

>>181978851
I think classic Shadow would just be funny, seeing a little tubby edgy sonic without the awful dialogue would be great

Not sure how to really change him up though, maybe he could bring in more modern elements to appease some

>>181975451
But they work for GUN in the games

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>>181978548
Thanks anon.

>>181978336
First time to my recollection with listening. I can't describe what listening to them sound like and I don't know if I can particularly say that I like it to the same degree that you do but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOuMEv5RJok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xux0D47JcOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InpUbCzCOlI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWmsr1_rkv0

Also: Special Stage, Boss, Emerald Hill, Casino Night, Oil Ocean, Metropolis, 2P Mystic Cave, 2P Casino Night, Sky Chase, Wing Fortress, Hidden Palace

I like how exotic and atmospheric some music are and the more I listen to them, the more enthralled I get.

I'm also interested in this piece since I think I hear planes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnpFjobTBFA

Labyrinth, Mystic Cave, Sonic 2's Special Stage, Super Sonic, Death Egg, and Hill Top Zone though, wew

Thanks for sharing, anon!

>>181980385
Not since Sonic '06. And technically, Omega was living in the jungle, he wasn't a member of GUN.

>>181980494
There's literally nothing in the games that suggests they no longer work for GUN, because they don't fucking do anything.

>>181980494
>Not since Sonic '06.

They've barely showed up since 06 too. With how canon got fucked afterwards it doesn't really matter anyway.

Is Sonic Dash as fun as the special stages from Sonic Heroes?

>>181980471
yeah there's definitely jet engines in that one

i love aquatic ruin's music, sounds south american somehow

>>181978851
I'm hoping for Amy to be an unlockable in Mania, if she's not playable then I can get over it. But I feel that now is as good time as any to make her playable (again).

>>181972260
>bottom panel
oh_shit_son.png
whats amy-but-in-shads-body gonna do now?

>>181978002
CHAAAAAAAAAAAAARGE

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>>181982103
stop faking

>>181982009
>not a semi-backless dress
that's no good

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>MANIA STILL A MONTH AWAY

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

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>>181982657
are you feeling a bit manic?

>>181982657
maybe it'll pass by fast

>>181982771
I fucking bet it got delayed for the fucking switch port. Dead serious.

Fuck you Nintendo, you ruin everything.

>>181982892
that'll be it, pretty much.
But a bit of extra polish-time can't hurt (even though they can just patch games these days)

in reality the last 10% of development takes as much time as the first 90%. this is known in the biz as "the other 90%"

>>181983321
Day one patches tend to be bad press, and I get the sense that Taxman doesn't really want to do that. It doesn't help that Sonic games had a bad reputation with that in the past and they want to distance themselves from it.

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>>181982892

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKtH1fuCzQA

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>the Switch port of Mania is being handled by a third party
>Sonic multiplats have historically had the best sales on Nintendo according to Sega
>there's a very real possibility that the Switch version could end up fucked up and that alone will sour people on Mania and hurt sales

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>>181979426
>Blaze as the thickest gem

hmm

>>181984081
commence the happening!

>>181983556
I read an article in a game magazine years back about how Rockstar split up their dev time on GTA San Andreas. For them, adapting the engine, adding new characters and features and even making the story and cutscenes wasn't the longest part of game development - it was the coding of the individual parameters and any A.I for each mission. Maybe its different for other developers though.

>>181984081
in-house ports are usually the ones that turn out shit. dedicated porting studios generally know what they're doing

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>>181984081
>Sega doublecrossing Whitehead to make Forces shine next to the butchered port of Mania

>>181975451
>It felt like Flynn barely had an idea of what to do with them so he put them in a box.
To be fair, 06 was the only game to really give any of these characters a direction. Otherwise you'd just have Shadow wandering around aimlessly

Besides, Fiona is a better example of a character Ian didn't know what to do with

>>181984246
>Forces shining at 30 fps when the other consoles can do 60

>>181984246
wouldn't put it pass SoJ, they would rather see mania fail then to see forces fail.

I should be put in charge of Sonic. I would save this franchise.

>>181984021
that was beautiful.
Lil' Sonic & Amy at the end was a cute touch.
Shame SEGA never figured out that this was all they had to do to make a fortune from a sonic game.

>>181984485
No you wouldn't.

>>181984298
If they did anything different with them people would complain it's not like the games. Also who legitimately cared about Fiona before Flynn?

Okay /sthg/, somehow, you are in charge of the Sonic franchise. No time or financial limits, no question of autority by based Nippon, your devs will be completely competent, no legal issues and you have free reign of every single aspect possible. Every single game, the various shows, the upcoming movie, the comics, the whole damn franchise. What do you do?

>>181984913
More porn.

>>181984627
>>181984627
>If they did anything different with them people would complain it's not like the games
Oh no, I get that, but also Ian was trying to get things closer to the games (He's said that a reboot was always going to happen, just not when it actually did happen) so it made sense for him to use GUN and tie it to other elements at the time.

>Also who legitimately cared about Fiona before Flynn?
Apparently there's people who think Ian butchered her character by making her evil again, even though her character was never ever consistent to begin with and was tossed onto the FFs for a love triangle schtick. I'm just saying Ian didn't know what to do with her because he basically threw her into Scourge's arms and had her fuck off. Granted that was probably for the best but still

>>181984913
Sonic Adventure 3, done properly, taking the characters, music and story back to the adult audience, and including >>181984982

How do you guys feel about the Unleashed DLC levels? Watching them right now, and they seem pretty great even although they're too short. They would be better if they weren't DLC, but that's what mods are for.

>>181984619
I totes would.

>>181984246
>IIzuka gets Whitehead to do Mania
>Says that game will help determine the future of the series
>Purposely sabotages it
For literally what purpose?

>>181985454
Crush the opposition once and for all. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

>>181985454
So the dirty gaijin can finally shut up. You remember how the totally avoidable crash of Sonic Boom happened? It was me, SoJ!

>>181985581
What opposition? Taxman and Stealth only wanted to bring the mobile ports of Sonic 1 and 2 to PC with a short side-game included. It was Iizuka and the rest of Sega that wanted a whole new game. If they were trying to "crush the opposition", they would have just said no.

>>181985454
he doesn't want us americucks making a better game than the Japanese devs. It would be so disuhonuroburo for a Japanese furanchise like Sonic

>>181985803
To keep the ports on mobile, and Iizuka and Sonic Team are apparently talking with the devs of Mania over what can and can't be done.

>>181985803
>It was Iizuka and the rest of Sega that wanted a whole new game.
You're very wrong. Mania was pitched as a brand new game originally. A classic styled Sonic game but ultimately full of 100% new content. However it was Iizuka that wanted old levels in the game because he didn't think a new game would sell.

Redpill me on Iizuka

>>181986119
His first time as a scenario writer was Shadow the Hedgehog

>>181975512
If Sega did that, the reaction to Forces would be overwhelmingly worse. People would only have Forces to focus on and that's not really very hot.

Is "TELL NOW ME HOW LONG THIS WILL LAST?" the best way to describe this franchise?

>>181986119
He's the Rick Berman of Sonic Team.

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Cute rats.

>>181984913
Split the series up into several pillars:

>Classic
Games like Mania

>Boost
Games like Unleashed (day), Colours and Gens Modern. But with less emphasis on 2D.

>Adventure
A little more slower paced, not necessarily "Adventure 3". These games would feature a few different playstyles that are unique (about 3 or 4).

>Boom
Experimental games

>Other
Spinoffs such as sports games, crossovers and character specific titles like Tails Adventure.

>>181984627
>Also who legitimately cared about Fiona before Flynn?

Tailsfags

>>181987067
Bro they're making eye contact there. Shadamy is canon.

Sonic needs RPGs. Are there any good Sonic fangames made with RPG Maker?

>>181984627
Tails did.

>>181987190
>>181987067
Shadow's just copping a feel. With his shoes.

>>181987083
>different playstyles
Christ alive, no. Just keep the Adventure branch Sonic and SA1 Tails gameplay, with the unique playstyles in the spinoffs.

>>181986805
These days it's more "CLOSE MY EYES AND FEEL IT BURN."

>>181987067
Somehow, Shadamy fans will still gush over this.

>>181986849
redpill me on Rick Berman

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Is it accurate to say that one of the core reasons that Sonic fans get so butthurt when Arin Hanson shits on Sonic games is because it unfairly influences Dan's (and possibly other newcomers') opinions of the franchise due to the fact that the only Sonic games Dan has ever been exposed to are the shit ones Arin intentionally picks out for them to play?

>>181984913
I'd start by inventing a time machine and going back to when development started on Forces and Mania. I'd mandate that Mania be entirely 100% original levels with more zones than S3&K combined, with Forces being entirely boost with Sonic, Shadow and Blaze being playable. Separate classic and modern completely.

Then I'd get Dimps to make Sonic XenoVerse. In addition to a simple character creator, the player would be able to completely customize their character's abilities, which would in turn alter the kind of gameplay they experience. I'd hype up the games by saying they represent the past, present and future of Sonic. After SXV has been out for a while, I'd gather data on which abilities and playstyles are the most common and use that to determine the next game.

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>>181987452
>Tails and Tailsfags

The much older girl who wasn't really interested in him, and totally shattered his broship with Sonic? Nah I still think hooking up with ebil Sonic was the best outcome.

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>>181987884
No, it's that he's an absolute fucking hack who doesn't deserve to be famous, let alone worshipped.

>>181987884
That is one reason. Another one is that he can say as many mis-informed things about the Sonic franchise and yet receive cupcakes and gifts by the Sonic PR.

>>181987884
that and this >>181988256

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>>181987884
I'm only butthurt about it because the social media guys keep giving him exposure, encouragement and free cupcakes for being a retarded hack.
I couldn't care less about the actual videos.

>>181988256
i do think sonic can be done in 3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5paaz16Nw20

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>>181984913
Keep Whitehead on for Classic games, polish the free-roaming ideas in Lost World and mix with some kind of boost, more spinoffs like rpgs to give the other teams spotlight, make the comics in-house and hire Ian and the rest of the staff and get rid of mandated 4-2 part arcs, move Boom to a network that won't mistreat it like CN, and make the movie completely cgi, not PG-13, and no main human characters aside from Eggman.

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Sonamy is cute.

>>181988165
>The much older girl who wasn't really interested in him, and totally shattered his broship with Sonic?
>implying they care about that

I still see FionaxTails art.

>>181988883
Well, sure. But we're not really talking about that. We're talking about Arin's decision to selectively only feature shitty Sonic games and how it possibly affects impressionable viewers like this Eli Nelson fellow.

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>>181989071

>>181989283
you will not please arin, he likes NOTHING. and HATES SONIC, he has stated in his GHP version that he hates all of them even the good ones.
so it doesn't fucking matter what HE thinks, he is wrong.

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>>181987720
Nah we gush over this

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God damn I want Fang to come back, Fuck Iizuka and his 'MUH MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS' Bullshit.

>>181987884
Arin is literally retarded and sucks at video games, despite playing games literally being his job. Watch his Ocarina of Time sequelitis and then try and sit through their OoT playthrough and listen to his complaints. Then remember he has millions followers who think he's a genius when it comes to game design.

>>181989737
Doesn't seem like something to gush over but then again, I don't support Shadamy. It's nice to see some interaction between them though.

>>181978851
>>181979654
>>181981383
I think Amy's gameplay could be improved from her advance style.

Make it so that she can keep her hammer out after swinging it once. Have it so that during a full speed run she can swing her hammer horizontally (think hammer kirby's dash attack) so she can take out enemies as she runs while maintaining full speed.

>>181989071
cute!
sonic an idiot for not hitting that as hard and not-slow as possible

>>181990114
>Doesn't seem like something to gush over

When meaningful character interaction is as barren as it is now, it is.

>>181989630
Just playing devil's advocate here, but maybe that's just a front? After all, Jon isn't actually as loud and "ECH" as he was in Game Grumps. He was just playing it up for the camera. Maybe Arin's philosophy is that people already do tons of Let's Plays of good Sonic games like Generations, so what would be the point? Intentionally playing a shitty one that nobody would want to play is a more novel concept. Again, just being a DA.

>>181990449
Arin is not like Jon at all.

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>another arin thread

>>181990223
He will once she's old enough.

>>181980324
>classic Shadow
so Nack/Fang?

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describe the situation in this fanart, /sthg/

>>181991663
>shadow didn't bring omega to a gunfight
why though

>>181991663
cringe

>>181991663
Neo Metal Sonic has been shape-shifting into different characters and picking fights with the others, resulting in everyone at everyone else's throats.

>>181991663
Shadow and Nack have had enough and are going to kill Amy. Only Tails really cares.

>>181991663
Amy thought she could take out Fang and Fang here is more than happy to correct that lapse in judgement.

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You did play and beat the very first Sonic game, right /sthg/?

>>181992440
No.

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>>181991663
Sonic & his friends started shit with Fang & Shadow's about to shoot Amy just because.

>>181990223
Soon he will

>>181992440
Yes. I only just beat it this year though. Fuck Marble Zone.

>>181992440
Yes on mega collection

>>181992440
No. I don't like the classic games.

>>181992630
I assume you like things likeBlack Knight?

>>181992829
Nope, my favorite game is Heroes.

>>181991750
How?

>>181992829
nah probably just a classic fan.

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>>181992440
Of course, I play it regularly.

>>181992440
I beat it vicariously through popular Sonic LPers

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What function do you even want enemies in Sonic games to serve?

I know people don't like the health bars in Heroes and how you sometimes have to kill a group of enemies to unlock doors, but in boost games the basically serve the same roles as springs or rings since you just jump on them to take a higher path or run into them to fill your boost meter. They're more tools for Sonic to utilize than opposition.

>>181992878
They said that they didn't like the originals, anon.

>>181992872
because its to nasty of a scenario for a sonic game really, but that is just me.

>>181992865
At least you're not obnoxious about it like some other people. you're not HIM, are you?

>>181993174
Who?

>>181992440
yeah 10 years ago.

>>181993141
>its to nasty of a scenario for a sonic game
Oh my fucking god, get out of this fandom. You are the reason why we have Pontaff.

>>181993343
really? You're okay with having one of the main 4 killed by being shot in the head? Eggman was doing that in SA2 yes, but not like this.

>>181993343
Go play Shadow and 06, faggot.

>>181993264
don't worry about it anon, I'm in fear of summoning him

How do you be mature without being stereotypically "mature" for this franchise?

>>181993058
Being perfectly honest I think it's because of the different goals.

Sonic 1,2,3 and Knuckles are more about finishing the stage and collecting rings.

Sonic adventure 1 and 2 are more varied so enemies tend to be different levels of dangerous depending on who you are and what your goal is. There's also a focus on destroying robots to collect animals and material for chao.

Heroes is closer to the genesis games, although it's more focused on staying alive so that you can keep your upgrades and taking out hordes of enemies which is why they have health bars.

The boost games are more about getting through as quickly and flawlessly as possible so most enemy placement is streamlined so they're in your way. Either leading you to different paths or as a punishment for going too slow.

>>181993785
have intelligent writing.
That's pretty much it.

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Y-you did at least play and beat one of these games, right /sthg/?

>>181993932
you have to be a special kind of retard to not beat at least one

>>181994034
A-Anon...

>>181993058
I want them to be legitimate obstacles to overcome. If enemies exist for the sole purpose of boosting and/or homing attacking into them for boost meter, then they serve no purpose and could be easily replaced with a boost capsule and a spring. Enemies should challenge the player in some way instead of just being glorified scenery.

>>181993932
CD

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I gotta say I think the worst thing about the boost era games is tails. He shouldn't be so snarky. Like having "attitude" works for sonic but when tails does it it just makes him look like a brat. It also makes me care about him and sonic less cuz they seem like a couple of assholes instead of good hearted heroes.

>>181993058
I liked how they were handled in Adventure 2. There's a good mix between them being glorified springs and actual threats. Metal Harbor is a good example of the former and Crazy Gadget and Cannon's Core being the latter. If you were in a section where there were a lot of enemies such as those shield robots and artificial Chaos, you would need to time your jumps just right to avoid getting hit but you still don't have to stay in that section for too long. You would come to standstill but that usually never lasts for more than a second. Even when you have to deal with enemies, you feel like you're going somewhat fast and making progress.

Basically, I'd like it if enemies could be threatening and actually be able to kill you, but I'd like to be able to be able to beat them quickly if you can time everything just right. If I'm playing as Sonic I don't want to have to sit in one spot waiting/attacking for more than a few seconds. Think orbonaut and that praying mantis guy who shoots his scythes at you. If you don't want to get hit, you have to wait and dodge their attacks, but not for TOO long. That's basically what I want. I don't want every enemy to be like that, maybe just one in each beginning level but more in the final stages.

>>181993932
I beat all 4 of the classics. 5 if you count CD.

>>181994184
Make some enemies immune to boosts as well as force you to watch when you use your homing attack. Something like an enemy that has a spike shield that it rotates around its body that you can only attack when it's not facing towards you.

>>181993932
CD and 2

>>181994535
Him being snarky with Sonic is fine because with them it's just banter between bros. Outside of Lost World, his snarkiness was either bantering with Sonic or reacting to something Sonic said.

>>181994682
spark spinners are a thing, and i hate them, mostly because they are above bottomless pits.

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>>181993058
Were Egg Pawns Iizuka's attempt at Goombas?

>>181994535
I know Tails is suppose to be more confident, independent, and more mature from his previous days (which I think is okay) but I don't really like the snarkiness on him either.

>>181994842
I don't even really like his banter with sonic, to be perfectly honest.

>>181995136
Well then I quite frankly don't care about your opinion.

>>181993838
>>181994184
>>181994664
Do we even need enemies in a platform game?

I was just thinking about how in Mario games, the enemies that actually require you to stop and engage them (Lakitu and Hammer Bros) are always hated by players. They hurt the pacing of the game, and this is true for some Sonic games and enemies as well.

Would we be better off just having enviromental obstacles like spikes, lava, walls that can crush you and so forth?

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These are the Official Tier lists for Sonic the Fighters.

>S
Metal Sonic
Bark
Bean

>A
Sonic
Knuckles
Fang

>B
Eggman
Tails

>C
Espio
Honey

>D
Amy

See you at Evo ;^)

>>181994276
god i love her
official sega nudesheet when?

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>tfw hoping Sega decides that the framerate of the Switch version of forces is more important than the visuals
>that or they suddenly get 10/10 optimization skills

>>181995275
>I was just thinking about how in Mario games, the enemies that actually require you to stop and engage them (Lakitu and Hammer Bros) are always hated by players.
Yeah, by retarded casuals.

Enemies provide obstacles that are more active and more dynamic than static environmental hazards. There's no reason why they can't be in a platformer.

>>181994908
It also seems like their spark attributes hardly matter since they usually have their shield down by the time you get to them. What I'm thinking is something that doesn't last being invulnerable for too long, but also has a tighter limit for when you can attack it.

>>181995462
Didn't they say they're working on optimization for Forces so the Switch version will be up to par with the other versions by release, or am I mistaken?

>>181995427
Yeah but we'll be playing Sonic Battle

>>181995452
never if sega has any brains about them.

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>>181995643
>all we know is that optimization is still happening
Hell the Xbox One and Switch versions have some UI shit not in the PS4 version and the Switch demo has a completely different level.
One thing interesting is that the Switch version's button layout card shows there is no drifting in Forces.

What if Forces releases unfinished?

>>181995081
no, they're basically Koopa Troopas or Hammer Bros.

Moto Bug will always be the Goomba of Sonic

>>181995275
>I was just thinking about how in Mario games, the enemies that actually require you to stop and engage them (Lakitu and Hammer Bros) are always hated by players.
Yes because they're hard to defeat not because they interrupt the flow. If anything Lakitu's enhance the flow because often times it's better to just try and outrun them than stay and try to kill them.

>>181993929
You can have "adult problems" in a children's media. You don't need "adult things" like sex appeal, extreme violence, gore, etc. to have something mature.

Look at Inside Out for example. The problems the main characters face and the lesson they learn are very "adult." They're things that both adults and children can relate to. The audience is never talked down to any point, nor is the moral shoved in their face in a condescending way.

Basically good writing, understanding and respecting the audience, and tact is what you need.

>>181992440
yeah
only the shitty GBA port

>>181995427
is there a way to netplay sonic the fighters on pc yet

>>181996095
was supposed to respond to >>181993785

>>181995970
then the Sonic Cycle will be complete, and mania will be the definitive and unanimously agreed winner for "Sonic's soul"

>>181988256
>Implying everyone here isn't tasteless, an idiot, or a troll

>>181995993
Yeah but Iizuka didn't start bringing back Motobug until Sonic Team started nostalgia pandering. Egg Pawns have obviously been knocked down a peg nowadays.

>>181995081
I like this GIF.

>>181992440
I tried then lost interest

>>181992440
Played them don't think I beat them though. Not a big fan of 2D sidescrollers.

>>181996095
I assume that was for me.

I liked Inside Out, but I can't remember what it's like despite watching it 2 times in a row, 4 times total.but I think I get your point, anon, along with >>181993929

Wonder what could one do specifically because I know some people really don't like topics/themes such as environmentalism and teamwork/friendship.

>>181996520
Haha, it's all yours my friend! ;)

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Look at this cutie.

>>181995275
I think the Mario series definitely needs enemies. If there were no enemies, the games would be too easily. Every jump would be trivial. Just back up, take a running start, and do it. Enemies mix this up. They move back and forth, swoop towards you, and so on. They add randomness to the mix. When you need to perform a jump over a pit or something and there's an enemy near you, you're constantly thinking and recalculating your path in your head as you figure out what to do as you watch them move about. Do you risk getting killed to beat them and make the jump easier? Or do you just dodge them and try your best to make the jump? As you play through the games yourself you might not realize it but you're constantly thinking and reevaluating your situations. To me, that's the most important part of the game. It's a very active experience.

Do other platforming games need enemies? Honestly it's hard to say. I absolutely think the 2D Sonic games need them, mainly for the same reason as Mario does. But do the 3D ones need them (besides Heroes and Boom)? I feel like I'm autopilot when dealing with enemies in the 3D Sonic games. They are almost always just moving springs that you home onto. Sometimes they shoot lasers or shock you but that's rare. Every enemy is trivial to deal with thanks to the homing attack. The games wouldn't feel much different if they were replaced with actual springs in my opinion

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they should bring back Power Cores

>>181997186
Rat

>>181997437
Would Heroes have been a better game if levels didn't exist and everyone had their level 3 abilities by default?

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>>181997437
What do power cores taste like?

>>181997512
Part of the Rodent family yes but different enough.

>>181997512
A cute one.

>>181997553
>Would Heroes have been a better game if levels didn't exist and everyone had their level 3 abilities by default?
no
but i would rather have the option to play the level solo or with one partners ala Sonic Advance 3

>>181997553
It'd probably be too much of a pushover. The different levels of abilities added some variety, but at the same time the health bars rubbed me the wrong way. Heroes is a very conflicting game for me.

>>181997512
Best rat

>>181997815
FOR YOU

>>181997437
I really liked this system and still do, Heroes had so many good ideas

>>181997815
Were people as mad about no Super Tails and Knuckles back then as they are now?

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>>181997512

>>181997553
I used to think so, but after going back to it I grew to like the cores. It kinda makes you approach battles diffrently. Like if I had 3 cores for flying formation I could essentially take out an entire room with thunderhshoot alone. If you have all 3 cores with speed then you can create tornados just by doing homing attack. So by the time you level anyone up to level 3 you become so OP you can just smash through a level with ease. And it's a good way of punishing you for dying.

>>181997937
Yes.

I'm still hurt by it today.

>>181995869
>Xbox One and Switch versions have some UI shit not in the PS4 version
Like what?

I'm quite happy that only male hedgehogs can go super.

>>181998251
When you finish a level in those versions it says how many times you had to retry while on PS4 it doesn't

>>181997627
Wild raspberry, banana, cherry

>>181988968
What the shit I can't find a single thing to disagree with you on here

Fist Bump just makes Classic Sonic feel like even more of a third wheel/last minute edition

>>181997937
But anon, that IS Super Tails and Knuckles. :^)

>>181998306
Eh. Personally, I wish that more than just female cats could go Burning.

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>>181987884
>gave up on a what used to be the internet's most respected art medium to sit on his fat ass playing games
>still widely respected and is awarded even by a company he hates
I'm buttmad but also jealous

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>>181999237
pretty sure Marine can actually manipulate water even if just a little bit.
There was that thing she did at the end of the game, in the Planets Core.

>>181999672
CUTE

>>181999354
Do people not respect animation anymore?

LIGHTS

>>181999818
certainly would give her better purpose then annoying autistic girl.

>>181998740
That's the point. Everyone's happy.

Is there a designated VC place for you all?
I feel like some sort of decent discussion would be nice. Maybe I could hook up a few games for a visual entertainment.

UP AND DOWN AND ALL AROUND

>>181999672
She certainly fired SOME kind of projectile in the ending. I think it would be great if it was revealed to be water, since that would make her a great foil for Blaze.

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>>182000642
what did they mean by this?

>>182000730
we may NEVER know since the likelihood of ever even seeing marine again is so minute it might as well not be.

>>182000589
What, like a cytube/taima channel where we can watch shit together? I suppose that's not too bad of an idea.

>>182000871
I can throw together a Rabbit room if that works. Hook up Sonic 2 for some fun times.

What's the likelihood that we're going to see Ice Cap in mania, with that planned transition with the snowboard between Flying Battery and Ice Cap implemented?

>>181988968
But what if I like Boost as is?

>For these reasons my main job was on the Archie Comics, where I worked for about 2 years, which also was a very pleasant place to work, but that ended up canceling the comics where I worked.

http://rafaknight-rk.tumblr.com/post/162725575765/i-need-your-help-if-its-possible

>>182000986
Sure

>>182001218
You'll get over it.

>>182001232
This is all the proof everyone needs.

Now can The Ride start again?

>>182001398
Might have to not use rabbit. won't let me share windows.

>>182001543
Not until Archie says it.

>>182001543
Only when Archie confirms it

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>>181984913
>promote Taxman and the rest of his team to be in charge of future 2D games, including sequels of Mania, Advance and Rush games
>meanwhile, hire Dimps to help Taxman on Advance and Rush games on everything, minus physics and level design

>after Forces's launch, whether it make success or not, immediately order the definitive removal of Classic Sonic from the boost games (no idea if I should mantain or remove CaC's feature, though) and never bring it back.
>for 3D games, maintain the current boost formula, but change it for a bit to make it look more appealing and more varied to play
>from now on, boost can be obtained only through reaching the speed limit or further than that, like on Advance 2
>Sonic can do horizontal and vertical tricks to move in the air and reach higher or far away terrains, like (again) on Advance 2
>now that boost isn't anymore a command button, Sonic now receives back his spindash (and can also curl up into a ball while running) with mechanics being exactly like how it worked on Adventure games, and it can be used as an alternative to gather speed rapidly
>bring back Tails and Knuckles playable, and immediately, make both of them play like Sonic, but with a different ability, instead being completely different, like on Advance games
>to keep boost games fresh and not stale, simply give them a rest for every 3 or 5 years (like how 3D Zelda games are handled), and for every new announced boost game, give it a new returning playable character and keep him/her, no matter who is it or where is he/she from
>depending the fan's reception, any of the playable character can be removed, outside of the classic trio

>for spin-off games, anything is possible
>which means this is where Sonic Team is allowed to create new experiments and gimmicks games
>let them choose which has potential to be great, and bring them to the boost games, while trying to make it as less intrusive possible

Well, I tried. I'm sure this isn't better than Iizuka.

>>182001608
>>182001664

so, never

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50 rings on your character dying in Forces, what is /sthg/ gonna bet its rings on?

>>182001906
We'll hit a point eventually where we know for sure they aren't coming back. We aren't at that point yet.

>>182002168
500 Don't worry, I'm playing Unleashed.

>>182002168
50 rings on the entire game having timeline shenanigans that cause a self-retcon, with a post-credits scene having your character working a menial dead-end job probably selling chili dogs when Sonic comes up to say hi because he's the only one who remembers.

>>182002168
Betting for OC self-sacrifice followed by being brought back to life by both Super Sonics

>>182002402
And they kiss him to do so

FULL SPEED AHEAD!

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>>182002398

>>182001232
Damn that sucks to hear, really hope the best for Rafa and all the people who worked on the comics. Specially Adam and Ian.

Rev up that butthurt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGvAQzrdNzQ

Oh haha I could have sworn something stupid just got posted. Good thing we didn't respond to it.

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Got any favorite pieces of fan art to share /sthg/? I want my Sonic folder to grow a little

>>182002168
Buddy isn't going to die if the Fist Bump is anything to go by:
>Before I say goodbye to you, one more last fist bump
Buddy is probably just going home