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/sthg/ - Sonic the Hedgehog General

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Welcome to the Sonic the Hedgehog General. Here we talk about all things Sonic! Share art and music, talk about new developments, discuss ROM hacks, speedrunning, and more.

/sthg/ #815 - Werehog Generations Edition

>Link Compilation<
http://pastebin.com/J6hTXkhK

>Sonic News<
Sonic Mania vids:
6 Minutes of Gameplay: http://youtu.be/uB9RP2SV8HY
Green Hill Boss : http://youtu.be/X1GZbQgtGLY
Chemical Plant : http://youtu.be/4TX2I3iUORQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52UGIIIp9WE
Pre-order Trailer: http://youtu.be/wvD8NZN9Zsg

Sonic Forces vids:
Sonic Forces Main Theme Rvealed: https://youtu.be/XI97jY3FZ9Q
Sonic Forces E3 trailer: https://youtu.be/dprxYd_16Ck
7 minutes of Gameplay: http://youtu.be/fyTzm8WgtlE
>>181775561
Full level Gameplay: http://youtu.be/6g6_rRqjlCI
Avatar Gameplay: http://youtu.be/TJZfptketUc

>Drawfag/Writefag Idea Walls<
http://pastebin.com/j8KkPQ4n
http://pastebin.com/jNKKMk5b

>General Interest Links<
/sthg/ - Level Development Kit:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw9wQojS0lxpbXpxRWZiOFNWSHM/view

Birthday Bash Zone
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw9wQojS0lxpamZnSzItcURDUFE/view?usp=sharing

Sonic Time Twisted
https://overboundstudio.com/index.php?action=game_page&id=1

Bump in Sonic 1 v0.1 + Source Code
http://www55.zippyshare.com/v/x5kpc8IZ/file.html
http://www10.zippyshare.com/v/Vh05gC9s/file.html

Green Hill Paradise Act 2
https://mega.nz/#!bdtByBRB!QENQpUU2fzjYSs79s0Y0lR5Zx1Tt5CI6v3f-buPsUo4

Sonic Boom Seasons 1 & 2 can be watched here:
http://www.toonova.com/sonic-boom
http://www.toonova.com/sonic-boom-season-2

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First for Team Dark!
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And I fucked up the OP. by placing the previous thread in the middle. Please bully.
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So I just listened to Fist Bump's lyrics.

It's honestly the only song connected to the franchise that I'd keep instrumental. The singer just sounds like a amateur to me.
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>>181861282
>Fan vocals sound better than a company with a budget paying a band to do vocals
I guess I really shouldn't be surprised at this point.
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>>181862084
It's Hoobastank. They've always been better with lyrics that are sung more softly sung than outright shouted or emphasized.
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>>181862632
>jun senoue scouted doug robb for this
>instead of making music
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Sup, fools? Anyone working on anything interesting in the DevKit? I've been hearing some cool ideas from some of you.
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>>181862821
Just woke up about an hour ago. Tonight, I'm gonna try & work some shit out with my stage.
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one day sticks raggedy ass boob cloth will tear completely and fall right off
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>>181862821
Game design is not my strong suit. Instead I'm adapting the Sonic comics for a fandub. Yours truly and Eggman Anon will be in it.
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Tell me about your opinions on Rouge's voice actors.
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>>181863254
Lani Minella is great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm1BGVfqWC0
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>>181863254
Lani Minella was alright. Kathleen Delaney sounded a bit older, but her delivery was competent. I think Karen Strassman has done the best so far with what we've heard in Generations.
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>>181863475
Shame she butchered Bubsy though.
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>>181863254
First one was a weak actor.
Second one was a weak actor and sounded like a chain smoker.
Her current one makes her sound like a cutie pie.
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>>181863254
Her first one was bad. The 4kids one was bad too, but at least she was a better actress and it fit the design if not her character.

The one we have now is the best, but I wish she didn't sound like she was having an orgasm every time she spoke.
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>>181862992
Meant to add: BTW, I think someone in here asked about pinball physics in the devkit & I got curious: Can you do pinball physics in the devkit?
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>>181863547
>generations rouge
ew

the 06 cast was basically perfect
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>>181863254
I used to not like her second VA but then it grew on me, I like how it made her sound pretty mature. Her new one I'm not sure on, sounds less like a prostitute but lost some of that maturity.
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>>181862992
Can't wait to see what you've got. Share some screenshots tonight if you can, okay?
>>181863104
Very nice! If it's anything like your past performances I'll be blown away.
>>181863254
I like all of them, honestly. Not a bad one of the bunch.
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>>181863475
Playing Star Trek Online has really soured me on Lani because she voices like half the female characters and it's really obvious it's her. I know she's been voice acting for around 25 years at this point but she has no range left anymore.
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>>181863731
>the 06 cast was basically perfect
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Sonic Thursday stream underway. Looks to be a NiGHTS themed episode this time around. Interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd5-GyjpSjs
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Are Fist Bump's lyrics from Sonic or Avatar's POV?
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The new character is punished Silver.
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>>181864478
about two months too late
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>>181862821
I'm FAR too lazy for that.
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>>181864354
Sonic
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>>181864519
I didn't realize it just now. I even said this elsewhere the day the trailer dropped, but no one believed me.
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>>181863968
No problem, mate

>>181863254
I liked all the Rouge VAs, but her SA2/Heroes one has always been my favorite.
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>>181862821
Is it possible to make Final Rush-type levels with this tool?
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>>181863254
I think Strassman has a good voice in terms of balancing maturity and youth. Manuel made her sound too old.
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>>181864691
Cool. thanks for letting me know
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>>181864881
You're welcome
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SONIC AT COMIC CON
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>>181863254
>Lani Minella
Started off rough like the majority of the adventure cast but definitely got better afterwards. I have a bit of a soft spot for her.
>Kathleen Delany
Makes Rouge sound like a 40 year old chain smoker. In my opinion one of the worst voices to come out of the 4kids cast.
>Karen Strassman
Shits on both of them.
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>>181864335
one guy is wearing a blaze t-shirt, good taste
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>>181865064
>Kathleen Delany
makes her actually sound like a film noir femme fatale like she's suppoed to
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>>181864723
Rail Grinding isn't quite a thing yet, I'm afraid. The original devs have started messing with grinding, but it isn't finalized yet. It's pretty rough so far. It is one of the major setbacks of the engine is the lack of grinding.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufnydTymm2g

This is relevant now, right?
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>>181862574
Sega should feel embarrassed.
https://youtu.be/7BdhL0hcElo
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>>181865208
Sure. Whatever you say, anon.
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>>181865449
>WE'RE SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL, OUT OF CONTROL
Ah, that takes me back
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>>181862821
there was a time when i wanted to do my own 3d sonic level, the concept was a convoy of trucks travelling, the level involving jumping from one vehicle to another.

it took me a few weeks to get one truck half done and then I gave up.
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the official sonic stream keeps getting weird
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>>181866584
What's happening?
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>>181866881
the merchandise guy had Sonic branded facial cream stuck on his face and he peeled it off. One of his cheeks looks like it's bleeding and even Aaron asked him. Apparently it's not blood. Still kind of weird. Not what I expected today
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI97jY3FZ9Q
Can someone buy the singer better vocal chords? I think his are underleveled.
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>>181866420
That's a nice concept. For this, I would recommend looking at Unity's Navmesh tools. You could have a convoy of NavAgent-directed trucks navigating to different points on a map, or just have them navigate to a single end-point to make things easier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkFvwo4bpj8
Just imagine that these are trucks.
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BOOM EGGMAN IS NOT ACTUALLY DOCTOR

HE WILL BE GOING BACK TO SCHOOL
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Reminder to bully Buddy every day
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>>181867680
faker confirmed
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Does Sonic, in canon, actually need 50 rings to maintain his super form, or is that just a gameplay mechanic?
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Let's hack the teen choice awards and give Sonic ALL the awards.
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>>181867921
this is the game series that has SWAT soldiers standing behind giant floating rings
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>>181867563
here's the model i tried. im too slow at 3d modelling
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>>181867921
He stayed in Super Sonic form for a week at the end of Advance 1, didn't he?
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>>181867921
It's just gameplay, because nothing suggests he just happens to have 50 rings when he transforms in games.
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>>181863254
I'm probably the only few who liked her second one the most. Had a lot more personality to me.
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>>181867921
Yep. It's canon. In Adventure 2 you have to swap between Sonic and Shadow and they actively speak to each other about one holding off the Biolizard so the other can get a fresh stock of rings. It is at that point that I believe it goes from purely a gameplay mechanic to being a part of the story.
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>>181868242
I don't recall them saying anything about rings durring that fight.
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>>181867705
Buddy should be our mascot. Not a dumb deer.
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>>181868242
OR that could just be dialogue to let the player know to collect rings.
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>What do you do about elements in Sonic Forces which older fans might not like but kids will? Sonic’s friends, for example. The goal in the demo level is to find Shadow. And, really… I don’t want to find Shadow. I’d prefer he stayed lost.
actual question that was asked to iizuka
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>>181867921
In the intro to Unleashed he stayed in super form for 80 seconds with no sign of reverting before Eggman zapped the Chaos Emeralds out of him. Additionally there were no rings seen on Eggman's space flagship. So either Sonic showed up on the ship and transformed with over 80 rings in hand, or it's just gameplay mechanic.
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>>181868329
Then you weren't paying attention. Sonic was constantly telling Shadow to get more rings because Shadow was overexerting himself or whatever, Shadow was struggling to maintain the power. Then Shadow tells Sonic that Sonic is the real Ultimate Lifeform, they beat the Biolizard and use Chaos Control, and Shadow "dies".
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>>181868410
I can't believe someone tried to honestly ask a question like that.
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>>181868410
What a piece of shit.
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>>181868410
Guess we know one of the places Forces will get a bad score from.
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>>181868410
It's insane that retards like that get to directly interact with people like Iizuka while actual legitimate fans don't.
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>>181868469
what a terrible post
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>>181868410
Source? Fucking bullshit if true.
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>>181868738
http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/04/sonic-mania-and-sonic-forces-hands-on-preview-and-interview-the-focus-is-on-old-school-fans-6753357/
only brits could do something like this lmao
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>>181868632
Prove me wrong.
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>>181868103
That's cute. I like it. Here's a tip: I always find that if I get tried of modeling, or coding I swap to something a bit more easy on the brain, such as terrain sculpting. That way, I'm still working on the level, but I don't get burned out doing one thing for hours on-end. That might make modeling a bit less torturous for you.
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>>181868952
you proved yourself wrong
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>>181868940
>It's that same retarded article that complained about Sonic's friends existing at all
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>>181868940
I somewhat appreciate this guy having the balls to say to Iizuka that they dislike Shadow. Because there are people here who would love the chance to say similar shit to his face.
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>>181868940
>only kids like Sonic's friends

I guess Sega isn't only ones out of touch.
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>>181868520
Pretty sure the word "rings" never left any of their lips, I'll have to find some gameplay or something
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>>181868612
Reminder that Aaron buys cupcakes for the people who shit on the brand he works for. Meanwhile, you, who have likely shelled out hundreds of dollars to the brand, receive nothing.
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>>181868940
Wow that whole interview is shit. Every single question is negative. I think Iizuka more than anyone else involved with Sega needs to hear criticism and complaints but jesus the questions are just awful. Hey Sonic hasn't had any good games in 20 years and Forces looks like shit. Your fanbase keeps eating these games up because they have no taste and 'can't remember the bad games.' How is this franchise still alive? Oh by the way I like NiGHTS
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>>181869492
shadow literally can say something like
>I'LL COLLECT THE RINGS, YOU TAKE CARE OF HIM SONIC
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>>181869492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqvFZCXPHrU
"Shadow let me collect rings, keep him busy for a while"
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>>181869714
It's literally every single shit meme about Sonic being asked to Iizuka. I honestly hope he & SEGA are listening to the actual fans of the series and not retards like that interviewer.
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>>181869747
>>181869729
Then I guess Super Sonic is just inconsistent.

Did they do the whole "lemme get rings" thing in 06 with Silver and Shadow?
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>>181869617
I really don't know why he doesn't promote Youtubers who actually like Sonic. Why not SomecallmeJohnny? Clement? Cobani? StephenKnux? The Geek Critique? Any of those would be better options.
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Did you ever make it?
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>>181869492
https://youtu.be/8H70emkCT8o?t=2m52s
>I'll collect the rings, now it's up to you Sonic
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New Sonic Unleashed video.
>Inb4 butthurt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqrDgjSucwk
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>>181869959
I'm pretty sure they did, yes. They always mention rings in Super Sonic final boss fights.
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>>181870003
Because the Sonic twitter is all about memeing and confronting the people who shit on Sonic.
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@181870184
Stop shilling for hacks like Arin.
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>>181869747
>>181869729
>>181869959
Should be noted that game controls have been explicitly mentioned in game dialogue before. So maybe it's canon that they're all aware that they're just characters in a video game being controlled by a control pad or keyboard.
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>>181870003
As shitty as it sounds, it's BECAUSE they already like Sonic. They gain nothing by promoting someone who already has their purchase. He favors Arin explicitly BECAUSE he is an enemy of the Sonic brand and must therefore do what he can to rope him into the memery. If Arin is part of the Sonic Social Media circle it's likely that-

FUCK EVERYTHING IZUKA IN STREAM
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>>181869617
I know that a lot of people here have a "who cares? who honestly gives a shit about Game Grumps? get over it" mentality but stuff like this does make me legitimately sad. Aaron constantly mentions Game Grumps on Twitter and the official streams and sends them Big plushies and cupcakes. He mentioned SGDQ for all of five seconds on today's stream despite it being a pretty big charity event that involved a decent amount of Sonic games. He never mentions great Youtubers like Somecallmejohnny and Clement who praise the franchise and offer actual criticism beyond "it sucks poopy ass dicks lol what isss this." He never gives shoutouts to the people making great remixes and animations for this fanbase. He doesn't need to send out food and collectibles to every single person but some mentions on the Twitter would be nice once in awhile.
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>>181870184
>Still posting these
Like, I get it, you like watching them, or think it will generate discussion, but I and many others aren't gonna watch someone spout the same awful opinions on everything over and over.

The only good Sonic thing by them was 06, and that's be honest, it was mostly Jon.
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>>181862632
>Hoobastank
I think I've heard the name but I don't think I've ever heard one of their songs.

Maybe this'll end up another Zebrahead situation.
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>>181870003
Are any of them really popular or are in the Los Angeles area?
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>>181870480
It worked for Jim Sterling, but Arin is being REWARDED for his stupidity.

Look at this comment. This is what happens when you reward people who tarnish your brand.
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>>181870184
>Arin does his stupid Sonic voice
>He's neither exceptional, nor terrible at the game
What exactly am I supposed to find objectionable here? It's some pretty standard stuff.
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>>181870480
Arin is never going to like Sonic. Sonic gets him the most views on his channel which is all he cares about. Despite all the cupcakes, plushies, guest appearances, etc. during the last year, Arin decided to start playing Unleashed on Game Grumps and he's shitting all over it. It's obviously not a perfect game but he's not even giving it a chance and outright lying about it ("This is everyone's favorite" "This is the best 3D Sonic" "This is the good one")
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>>181825182
>I'd like to do spoilers with you, anon.
Sorry for the late response,but thank you anon it would be nice if /sthg/ did that again, except let's not torture ourselves by marathoning Sonic Underground.

>>181838729
Such a cute Bump.

>>181868343
>Buddy should be our mascot. Not a dumb deer.
Then they should fight for who gets to be the mascot. I would bet on the deer.
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>>181862821
How does one make a Sonic?
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>>181870958
I'm not really hearing that. He hasn't shit on the gameplay even once so far, probably because A. he knows that he's playing the shitty one and B. hasn't gotten to the Werehog gameplay yet.
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>>181870973
>Then they should fight for who gets to be the mascot. I would bet on the deer.
>dumb deer who can't fight shit vs OC who is willing to fight and has a wisp gun
The only way she wins is if he refused to fight or she fucks him to death.
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>>181868940
This dude's looking for free cupcakes
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>>181871185
Depends on how literal you're being. Do you want to know how to make a level, or how to get a custom character model in there?
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>>181871221
Did you even watch the first episode?
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>>181870640
>think that it will generate discussion
Anon he's not interested in discussion. He's doing it to shitpost
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>>181871381
I'm being stupid. But yeah, I'd like to know how to make levels. Is there a tutorial? Or am I just supposed to fuck around with it and see what makes sense?
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>>181871410
Yeah. From what I remember he said
>Woah! It's the Wii version! Everyone's faaaaavorite port!
Of course, is he going to tell Dan that he intentionally picked out the shitty one in order to make things funnier? Of course not because he can't have Dan figure out that he's been selectively manipulating Dan's exposure to the franchise so that he becomes just as jaded about Sonic as he is.
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>>181862821
Is there gravity shifting in this? Like for Crazy Gadget-esque levels
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>>181870896
Jesus christ I want all Grumps fans to die in a fire.
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>>181863063
Requesting someone draw this happening
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>>181870896
I honestly don't have that much of a problem with Game Grumps. YouTubers like them intentionally play games poorly for the sake of comedy & don't really hate the games as much as they claim to. But I do find it ridiculous how people will take their word as gospel & form their opinions on a game based off of that, instead of thinking for themselves & honestly believe that "Sonic sucks, but Egoraptor said so."
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>>181868410
>>181868612
What questions would you like to ask Iizuka/Sonic Team/SEGA/etc, /sthg/?
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>>181872305
"Why?"
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>>181870896
These are the same people who praised Arin for shitting on Ocarina of Time despite video evidence that he not only admits to being biased and contradictory but he also sucks complete ass at the game, so I don't think logic is a common aspect of Game Grumps fanatics.
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>>181869954
Keep dreaming man
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>>181872305
I would just want him to explain the two worlds thing in detail and when that became a thing.
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>>181872305
"Why can't Tails and Knuckles go Super anymore?"
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>>181872305
I'd love to know what their budget is for the games.
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>>181872305
I would ask him if Boost is gonna be the main style of Sonic gameplay going forward & if it would ever be possible to make Sonic's friends playable again, with gameplay similar to Sonic.
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>>181872305
"When will you finally choose a definitive direction for the series and stick with it?"
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>>181872068
I'm pretty sure that's why most of us hate them. They're not much different from most LPers, it's just their fanbase. It's mostly younger kids who constantly parrot everything Dan and Arin say without thinking. When something gets repeated enough, it becomes fact. Most people buying Sonic games (besides Mania, probably) are kids. So if a few hundred thousand kids hear "Sonic is shit, boost gameplay is shit, Sonic was never good, don't buy any of these games, they suck poopy ass dicks" they're not going to buy/ask for the games and they're going to spread what they hear both online and off. If the primary demographic isn't buy the games, there's going to be problems.

I always worry about another Earthbound situation. Earthbound was well received but its official advertising slogan was "this game stinks" and that's partially why it sold so poorly in the US. In 2017, Sonic basically being a meme at this point IS a form of advertising so I wonder how that will influence sales. "Sonic was never good" "Saaaaaanic" etc. I wonder.
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>>181871571
I created a special test level that was tailor-made for /sthg/. It features several "Bump Tips" that detail a couple things about what you can do in Unity as it applies to Sonic level creation. At the very least, it provides some Googleable keywords for you to research further if you are so inclined.

So, no, it doesn't have a strict "tutorial," but it does have a freely modifiable test scene for you to just click things, drag things, scale things and just generally mess around with things to get your feet wet. Just be sure that you make a backup of the original scene before you start tinkering so you have the original to go back to.

As for how Unity itself works it really is pretty straight forward: WASD to move, right click to orbit, click on things and press W to move them, E to rotate them and R to scale them. Then the rest is just clicking on things, changing their properties and seeing what happens. If you don't know what something does, crank it to 11 and see what it breaks!

>>181871710
Not out of the box, but you could easily write a script that modifies the global gravity vector to suit your liking:

Physics.gravity = new Vector3(Numbers, Numbers, Numbers);

>>181872305
Izuka-san, do you know what happens when you put a ball on an incline?
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>>181872919
>"When the fans do rmao"
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>>181873045
Okay. Cool. And uh... I have a shitty Laptop. That won't be an issue when using this right?
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>>181873268
Give me some perspective: What's the most intensive game you can comfortably run on it?
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>>181873395
I honestly don't play a lot of games on my laptop, but it runs PPSSPP fine? I don't know if that's even a fair comparison to use.
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>>181872305
>I want an honest answer. Please don't lie or laugh it off. Why did you let Sonic Boom get released as it was? You saw what happened with Sonic 2006. Why did you let another game get rushed out? Don't say "it was difficult because Sonic Boom was developed in the West while Sonic Team stays in Japan mainly." You were keeping tabs on the project constantly and saw the game at least once before it got released. Why did you think this was okay? Did you not see what happened to Sonic's image a decade ago? Why would you prioritize sales over reputation? You could have cancelled the game and be done with it."

no time for memes or jokes. I want real answers
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>>181872305
Sonic Heroes 2 when? New RPG when?
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>>181873568
That's likely fine. Before downloading Unity I suggest downloading the devkit and trying out the built exe inside. It's just a standalone version of the game with the test level. See how it runs on your lappy. For a bit more of a push, see how the Birthday Bash zone does as well since it has some bloom and a good number of particle effects.
If both of those run smoothly then Unity itself should be just fine.
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>>181874046
Alright then. I'll give it a shot.
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>>181874420
Hogspeed, my friend.
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>>181872305
I'd just ask them their thought processes regarding design decisions while still being impartial about it. Like what pisses me off is just how judgmental that shithead is about everything, as if he thinks his grognard opinion is law and everyone agrees with him.

>It's been mentioned before that Sega is listening to fan opinions now more than ever. How are those opinions affecting development of Mania and Forces?
>Unleashed, Colors and Generations all used boost as a primary gameplay element. How did you decide to abandon boost for Lost World and why did you bring it back for Forces?
>Sonic has existed as a franchise for over 25 years now. In what way is Sonic still drawing in new fans?
>Was there any focus group testing with kids for Mania and Forces?
>How are you trying to appeal to both new fans and older fans with both games? Sonic's friends haven't been playable in the main games or had major roles in almost 11 years; how do you think Forces will be received by fans more familiar with the most recent games?
>How are you trying to balance Sonic's trademark speed with challenging gameplay?
>Sega recently held a fan poll regarding fan interest in older franchises. Does Mania play in to that at all?
There, I just asked pretty much all the questions he asked, only reworded to be more neutral and impartial instead of being a retarded shitfucker.
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>>181873708
There are still people above Iizuka's position, anon.
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>>181872305
*What's with this two worlds nonsense?"
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Can one of our talented musicians here possibly make a MIDI or create some sheet music for the new Sonic Forces theme? At least just for the vocals? I'm dying to play this song but I'm not good enough to play by ear yet
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>>181874690
Yeah, I understand, anon. It's for the best if it was reworded. You did a nice job of doing so.
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>he thinks Rocket Accel is useless
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>>181868410
More proof games journalism is worthless and anyone that works in that field is a nigger.
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>>181872305
With a lot of thinking, I thought of questions to say such as:
What is the brainstorming process like when it comes to thinking about new ideas for the games, music, etc?
Where does the inspiration for "game/concept" come from?
Will you revisit some ideas that were scrapped in the past again?
It seems to be a long term pattern of making brand new games rather than a continuation of a previous game, is this intentional and for what reason?
And I thought of >>181872771 's question but I'm not sure if they'd disclose that even though they disclose how much money they make per fiscal year(?)
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>>181875520
>rocket accel has practical uses
elaborate

>>181876351
im honestly a bit miffed that we haven't seen any birds in custom character ads
birds are awesome
and im still pissed we dont get a reptile option
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>>181872305
Why do you want Sonic to be more like Mario if he was created to oppose Mario?
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>>181876536
Have we seen any bears or hedgehog customs yet? They might still be working on any species they haven't shown yet.
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Seaside Hill is better than Green Hill.
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>>181876793
We've only seen cats, wolves and rabbits so far.
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>>181876802
Seaside Hill is just Neo Green Hill in 3D.
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>>181876640
He hasn't opposed Mario for nearly a decade. I don't think he's opposed Mario since the Dreamcast died.
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>>181877048
Seaside Hill is nothing like Neo Green Hill.
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>>181877079
There's no reason for Sonic to compete against Mario, but it seems like his games try to be more like the Mario franchise and suffer for it. I get they want to drag the fanbase in but it doesn't turn out well.
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>>181877224
>Beach + Green Hill checkerboards
How is it not?
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>>181876793
very true
but still there could have been more species
we got enough mammals as is

>>181876802
Palmtree Panic ≥ Sunset Hill = Angel Island > Leaf Forest > Green Hill ≥ Seaside Hill >>> Emerald Hill
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>>181877394
>fucking rotor
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>>181878098
its a screenshot
i'd go with heroes fanart or something but all of them look dated
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>>181877394
When I look at Charmy's hand, it kinda looks like he's doing a Nazi salute
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>>181876536
For casual players, you can rob multiple robots of their shields at once or flip several turtles without needing to use the longer tornado animation for each of them. And even casuals can get plenty of speed out of the Double Accel.

For speedrunning and advanced tricks Rocket Accel is used a lot, especially to do the mid-air kick jump as seen here, but I won't go into depth about that.
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>>181878530
fair deal
but isnt the tornado accel obtained at the same level as the tornado homing attack, obsoleting the former?
or am i missing the point
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>>181878815
No, Rocket Accel always has the wind effect regardless of what level your speed character is.
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>>181878881
oh sweet
also i heard that rocket accel can pull in rings at any level, is that a significant thing?

also forgot to say the double accel is new to me
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>>181879001
As far as I know Rocket Accel never draws rings. You might be thinking of level 3 Thunder Shoot, because I know that does it.

To do a Double Accel just press B again after doing a normal one. Your speed character will do another Rocket Accel but with an even more potent boost in speed.
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>>181868410
It's this shit that just pisses me off the most. Like, I can tolerate anti-friendsfags, but it's the fact that they've had Iizuka's ear for 10+ years and most of these interviewers who talk about the friends aren't even fans themselves. They just go off of general public perception which can include non fans/ people who are told to hate (x) thing. For once, I just want SOMEONE to come up to Iizuka and give a second opinion on the friends.
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>>181878530
Speedrunning Heroes makes it 10x more enjoyable desu.
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>>181835938
I just got here and listened to this. It sounds rough around the edges and I don't think it's anything special. As much as I hate it, I think I did good to lose hope some time back, I knew this would happen and will keep happening.
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>Infinite is too strong to defeat by normal means, even with the emeralds
>last ditch effort and your avatar has the opportunity to seal them away in another dimension but with them with it ala Blaze and Iblis in 06
>fate unknown, leaves the door open for the avatar creator to possibly return down the line if it does well
y/n?
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>>181879358
Agreed, I love Sonic's friends. I love playing as Sonic's friends. And it fucking irritates me that I may never get to see them, let alone play as them again because fucktards like this guy get to talk to Iizuka.
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>>181879847
seems like a letdown
introducing a feature that gets sucked away at the end of a game makes the feature feel pointless, and the effort invested into it as a waste
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>>181879847
m
There's no telling what could happen with Forces ending at this point, but that does sound like a huge possibility.
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>>181874471
Okay, tried out test zone, and it ran fairly well. Biggest issue though is the motion blur feels like it's set to 11, it's incredibly disorientating. Is there any way I can lower it?
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>It turns out Buddy was being manipulated by a crazy AI to see if under pressure, someone could be made to a specific mission under extreme consequences.
>Through this, Buddy has helped them to achieve their goal
>The ending he has to fight the President who has also been manipulated too
>Sonic comes back after the fight to spout cryptic stuff
>Buddy's gf comes over and reveals she's pregnant with buddy's child
>None of this is making sense
>GotY

Speaking of which, isn't Quinton still voicing Silver?
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>>181880383
Certainly. Once you've got the scene open in the editor you can find the motion blur component attached to the Main Camera. Make any changes you see fit.
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>>181880867
Okay, cool. Thank you. Going to try out Birthday Bash and see how it runs.
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>>181868410
I am rather upset. Jesus fuck, fuck that guy.

At least there was that other guy who interviewed Aaron and wouldn't stop asking about Shadow I guess.
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>>181838729
CUTE
Bump smothering other characters is so cute!
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>>181871825
>>181863063
Seconding this request. It's a helluva wish.
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>>181881027
Just remember: with this engine, if your question is "Can this be changed" then the answer is always going to be yes.
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>>181838729
Oh wow, I missed this. That pic is cute, hope you color it one day.
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SUDDENLY SALLY

any news on the comics or just "in talks" still?
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>>181882105
Tried out BBZ, ran a little choppy, not really laggy at least. I'll give unity itself a go later, as like I said before, my laptop is shit and I'm scared the fucking thing will burst into flames if I play for too long.
I'm going to try and make that dam level I've always wanted.
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>>181882978
Archie and Sega are still in talks, though Ian has said that we might hear some news at the end of July.
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>>181882978
Ian apparently said at a convention that he hears there should be news by the end of July.

Other than that, nothing.
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>>181882978
Last I heard was this: http://www.tssznews.com/2017/07/01/archie-update-ian-flynn-ive-heard-we-should-get-sonic-news-by-end-of-july/
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Okay so seriously what the fuck happened in the GGs' SADX playthrough? When I played the game it was nowhere near as buggy, extremely playable. But here they're glitching the fuck out on the first level and calling it bad. I don't understand I never experienced such a thing.
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>>181883443
I mean, the spin dash is still better since you would still be able to pull that off just with a lot less effort required.
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>>181883774
I can't remember where, maybe it was on reddit, but Arin admitted they deliberately got a modded version of the game to purposefully make it look as bad as possible.
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>>181883992
>modded version of the game
You mean the DX port? Yeah, that is a pretty shit mod.
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>>181883774
Isn't the DX version buggier than the regular version?

I watched Joel from Vinesauce play it (and to my surprise he actually liked it) and he had weird glitches and shit happen too.
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I don't watch game grumps but is the whole "Arin shits on the games" really as bad as people say? Is he literally going out of his way to say "ohhh it's sooo bad" every 5 seconds? I noticed there's a Sonic 3 & Knuckles playthrough, and I'd be surprised if he somehow had complaints about that game.
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>>181884405
It goes as far back as when he was with Jon. Whenever they disagreed on a game being good or bad, Arin always talked over him and called him delusional, forcing him to agree. He chose Dan after Jon left because he wants to feed his ego and not deal with a different point of view.
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>>181883774
Because Arin purposely played badly and tried to break the game by doing all kinds of shit.
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>>181884405
He's already admitted he plays up shitting on games. And he did try to shit on 3&K once as a joke but Jirard told him to fuck off.
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>>181884405
>on the S3&K playthrough people in the comments are saying "finally a good sonic game"

do people not think Black Knight was good? i sure as hell enjoyed it
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>>181884405
He doesn't pay attention to the games at all and calls them shit for not knowing how to play.
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>>181884405
Arin is an absolute hack. People unironically think he knows things about game design just because he made Sequelitis, a series where he plagiarizes every single fucking point from other people. His MMX video is taken word-for-word from a speedrunner commentary a year prior, but nobody knows that.

If I ever see him at a con, you'd have to hold me down to keep me from breaking his nose.
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>>181885430
post it
sounds interesting
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>>181885049
The Storybook games were garbage; cool stories and great soundtracks, but attached to shitty gameplay.
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>>181885430
I wanna see this speedrunning commentator.
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Which character should I match with Tails, /sthg/?

http://lewdsfm.xyz/
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>>181886119
Here's a list to choose from!
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>>181886225
Sticks
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>>181886225
Wave
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Sonic "Atlus RPG" when?
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>>181886476
I don't think a Sonic RPG will ever be attempted again.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRddIBwql0A
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>>181886225
Sally
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>>181885430
Provide proof. That's seriously intriguing.
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>>181886225
Vanilla, but forget Tails. Make it Vanilla and Cream.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzV4BRT3AyE
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>>181886225
Blaze or Sally
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>>181886670
yes that's her
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>>181886225
Dump em
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>>181886670
>that model
Eh, nevermind.
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>>181885430
Gimme gimme gimme
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>>181885646
>>181886060
>>181886664
>>181886913
There's more than one video where he talks about it. Here's one, I can't find the other. I'd have to dig through mountains of videos.
https://youtu.be/cMDZIyXCrY0
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>>181886119
>>181886225
Sonic SFM models are always terrible so don't bother.
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>>181886225
Sonic!
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I want Mania to have a boss fight like Lava Reef's boss fight. That boss fight was THE shit.
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>>181886847
Dump my models?

>>181887105
They're okayish.

>>181887171
This is closest to what the guy asking me to do Tails stuff would want. But eh, I'm openminded!
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>>181887275
Never mind, they seem garbage.
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>>181886925
Cool but "word for word" isn't what I would use to describe it. Similar but it's not like it's impossible for two people to come to the same conclusions, especially considering how obscure this channel and these videos are.
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>>181886119
>>181886225
>>181886670
>>181887275
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>>181887275
Why does he want the Sonic models to look like that?
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>>181887275
>Sonic heads on hyper-realistic human anatomy
STOP.
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>>181887375
It may seem obscure, but Hideofbeast was very popular among the MM community, of which Arin was a part of. I'm positive he saw that video before he started making Sequelitis.
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Alright, time for stream. Just me and my two friends.. for now.

https://picarto.tv/GeekofLove
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>>181887105
Most of them look just like ones from the games. What are you talking about?
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>>181887536
It's a possibility but I doubt he holds negative feelings towards Arin for sharing similar feelings in his video and neither should you, really.
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>>181887275
Jesus Christ, those are hideous.

>>181887537
Nobody cares.
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>>181887363
>seem
It's 101% garbage.
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>>181887275
>Poorly rendered Humans with Sonic heads.
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It's always something with this shitty general.
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>>181887681
I don't want to see what's behind the censor bar anon.
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>>181887537
Cool. Looking forward to seeing what you draw

>>181887669
Stop speaking for everyone
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>>181887537
Keep request simple
Please
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>>181887647
I doubt he cares, and I'm not mad that he has similar feelings. I'm mad that he said the same goddamn things Hide said, things EVERYONE who played MMX knew and could easily notice, but because Arin was popular and made lolsorandumb animations to go with it, he got worshipped as some pariah of game design, like he dropped some revolutionary shit on the whole industry. His ego went through the roof and he constantly acts like he was the only one who ever noticed the things he talked about.
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>>181887647
Not him, but the point wasn't simply that he shared similar feelings, but that people are using those videos to think Arin is a reasonable critic of game design when he's just regurgitating someone else's opinions.
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>>181887852
>Stop speaking for everyone
Anon...Nobody gives a damn. I'm not speaking for everyone, I'm just stating the facts.
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>>181887941
Well, he's called EGOraptor for a reason. Original joke, I know.
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I don't know if I can work with these, guys.
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>>181887980
I care, so no, you're not
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>>181887537
Have fun, I still don't have internet at home so don't count on me. Looking forward to seeing what you draw!
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>>181888095
Just slap a blue noodle and balls on Sonic's crotch and have it go in Tails' mouth and it's on par with any other shitty SFM Sonic porn.
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>>181888095
That actually looks pretty good.
Why did the other three look so god awful?
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>>181887275
Aside from the other anon, I'd like to take a look at the meshes myself, out of pure curiosity.
They're at least better than I could pull off at short notice.
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>makes a fantastic Sonic fangame based on Sonic Battle with Little Fighter 2
>absolutely forbid any datamining or any distribution of any of the game's sprites
>acts uptight about it, pretending he's SEGA.
>cut off any trace of downloads when someone does that shit (or not)
>even accuse any amateur spritefag if they use any edits from his shit
>Taiwanese motherfucker been doing this shit since he did Megaman vs LF2 and Bleach vs LF2
is there a fangame developer more atrocious than Leemena Dan, /sthg/?
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>>181888192
>blue
They are obviously the same color as his belly and arms.
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>>181888192
Even better, just have Sonic humping Tails' ass with the two positioned to conveniently obscure their nonexistent genitalia.
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>>181888272
Is it me?
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>>181887941
Considering how shit the industry is right now, it was.
And aside from jokes, he doesn't actually view himself as what you think he does.
>>181887975
And that's not his fault. He was able to put across those viewpoints simply and effectively and the video is great for it. He doesn't see himself as a god of game design nor does he see his videos as rulebooks for other people. If some idiots happen to think either of those, so what? No one should be getting mad over it because that makes them just as much of an idiot.
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>>181888272
It hurts me so fucking hard when someone responsible for something great ends up being a self-absorbed prick with their head up their own ass.
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>>181888247
One of these was made with naughty bits.

The other was not.

Can you guess which is which?
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>>181888426
hell no you done a great job on GHP and Act 2 dude

>>181888503
ikr? if you were on dA or the SFGHQ discord, you'd see how draconian Leemena acts when he finds out someone leaks his game's stuff.
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>>181888542
Stop this degeneracy immediately.
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>>181888542
Continue this degeneracy.
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>>181888448
>He doesn't see himself as a god of game design nor does he see his videos as rulebooks for other people.
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Are the mods dead or something?
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>>181888269
https://mega.nz/#!Xp4EBRwY!VG9KWe40kT2cXUFleGmJ-TkKE-0dl-Zyo0M14QVzSgY
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>>181888993
They gave up.
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>>181888993
Seems like it.
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>>181888930
Are you trying to imply otherwise?
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>>181888542
but which one gave Tails his canon butthole?
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>>181888993
Why would the thread need mods? Nothing NSFW has been posted and all discussion is Sonic-related.
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>>181888448
Go to bed, Arin.
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i really want to make a .zip the rips i got from a friend, but holy shit i don't want Leemana to be up on my ass like he did to everyone else in the community.
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>>181889384
Make some throwaways anon.
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>>181889315
If i really was Arin I certainly wouldn't be coming here.
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I need birthday pics. please post some.
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>>181889431
i'll keep dumping then
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>>181889539
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Sonic Runners Adventure?
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>>181889539
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>>181884405
dude the player runs into like ONE collision bug in casino night zone and he just goes "WOW WHAT A GREAT GAME RIGHT GUYS"
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>>181886119
>>181886225
Vector
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>>181889442
What are you talking about? This is the best place to talk about sonic :^)
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>>181890215
Man, that hasn't been true in a long time.
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>>181890412
I would have loved a DS Unleashed platformer.
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>>181888542
One of these is acceptable

The other is not

can you guess which is which?
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>>181888542
Fucking hell. How hard is it to do decent on-model lewd models?
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>>181890558
they've, well GameLoft, actually done 2D Unleashed before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38OHbx81L7Y
supposed to be a hybrid of Advance and Rush, but its a clunky mess of a mobile game.
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>>181889384
>>181889787
>>181889964
>>181890412
>>181890897
So even if I credit Leemana Dan for making these if I used them he'd be up my ass about it?
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>>181890862
Part of the problem is that Sonic-style on-model isn't good for lewds to begin with. There needs to be some stylistic liberty to make it good. So give these idiots an inch and they turn it into retarded vomit fetish horseshit.
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>>181890512
It's true whenever people aren't shitposting or lewdposting
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>>181890215
Not that. I would be sitting comfy in my circlejerk subreddit instead.
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>>181891063
correct.
no matter what, he will NOT leave or leave you alone until you take it down

he will hunt you down until you take off anything he seems to be edited off "his" stuff or datamined from his fangame.
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>>181889539
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since it's been like the 7th time he went on a breakdown and bitchfest over "muh sprites", i think it's better to just make him break until he realize it's no biggie

nobody's gonna give a shit or lap up to any coming SAGE release of Sonic Gather Battle if you're gonna keep acting this way over fucking decade old style of DIMPS Sonic
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>>181891240
Let's be real, how often is that?
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>>181889539
This reminds me it's /sthg/'s birthday in less three weeks! And this cutie's is in four!
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My cat's been diagnosed with leukemia. Can someone please post cute?
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>>181892185
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>>181892185
I'm sorry to hear anon...
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>play Robo Blast 2
>get Whirlwind Shield powerup
>can give you a slight extra float while in the air
honestly if SEGA wanted to add another Elemental Shield in Mania 2, they should do a nod this one
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>>181892185
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>>181892185
Sorry about that. Both of my cat's died from cancer a few years ago.
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>>181892185
take care anon
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>>181892185
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good god, all i have is just "Super Smash Bros. Brawl Moveset" Mario
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>>181892161
That's right, there's a few big days coming up.
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>>181892185
F.
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>>181892185
Not your blog.
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Fist Bump is so perfect for a 2D anime styled intro but that's as likely as me farming rings in SA1 without clipping through a loop in Emerald Coast
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>>181891590
People wanting to reuse stuff should be flattering. They are good sprites.
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>>181892185
I'm so sorry, I know pet loss is one cruel twisted bitch.
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>>181893418
they are. not a valid reason to treat it like a trademarked brand to "protect".
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>>181893396
I think I'd like the song a lot more if it didn't have a dumb name.
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>>181892185
Sorry to hear that, anon.
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this is the only good "Advance-style" Cosmo sprites to exist
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>>181892185
Please pet your cat for me and tell him "we must embrace the pain and burn it as fuel for our journey"
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>>181893396
>Fist Bump
So... who's gonna draw this?
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REEEEEEEEEEE HOW THE FUCK DO I GET SONIC RUNNERS ADVENTURE WHAT IS THIS GAMELOFT SHIT WHY CAN'T I JUST BUY THE GAME ON THE PLAY STORE
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well that's all the leaked shit i could post from Gather Battle, but i know there was more.
like Leemana's Sonic/"SSBB" Super Sonic edits

regardless, the author of this game is a prick and will not accept the fact people are free to tinker around with this public fangame whatever they want to.

and i'm very sure even Love Potion Disaster developers would too care less about people datamining their builds for sprites.
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Sonic + NiGHTS + ... = Tails gameplay. What is the third thing? Eggman?
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>>181868410
I"m mad too
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>>181895316
Dude, who gives a shit. Go cry somewhere else.
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>>181896426
>Dude, who gives a shit.
i do, and it would be better to tell that to Leemena Dan on his shitty take downs
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>>181895316
>japanese title for fangame

That seems like red flag for extreme ego. too bad, I watched a video, it looks like good game. Trying to suppress reposted content is generally a lost cause.
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>>181896719
>Trying to suppress reposted content is generally a lost cause.
it is, and really sad.
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>>181895246
Just download the apk famalam.
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Perfect Tails Gameplay = Sonic + NiGHTS + Metroidvania + ???
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>>181896886
I don't know what that means
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Perfect Tails Gameplay = Sonic + NiGHTS + Metroidvania + Monster Girl Quest + ______?
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NOR WILL I COUNT ON OTHERS
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>>181897179
Download the .apk file and install it on your phone/tablet.
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>>181897364
INTO EACH OTHER WE PUT OUR TRUST
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>>181897336
>Monster Girl Quest
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I'm so hype for Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces
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>>181898632
August is approaching. The Collector's Edition better ship quick.
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>>181897420
This is not an original copy of Sonic Runners.
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>>181898836
What.
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>>181898934
That's what happens when I try to run it after downloading the apk thing. A popup appears and says this, and the game doesn't work. Before the popup appears I can also get a glimpse of some Russian text.
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it's getting late anons. I'm going to bed but before I say goodnight to you, give me ONE MORE LAAAST FIIIIST BUUUUUUUMP
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https://youtu.be/TvNZA1MpD-8
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>>181898632
Would Sonic fans be broken if they somehow both were bad?
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>>181899363
>fist bumps you

@181899640
Do not feed the attention whore
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>>181899363
Paper beats rock.
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I can
t wait for modern and boomfags to die, the comicfags are nothing but a corpse to be skullfucked til the eye sockets are filled with cum and you fucks are next. These threads will finally be tolerable
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>>181899764
>not allowed to post chrischan
(You)
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>>181900207
We all know it's you, False flagging Adventurefag
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>>181900672
>no soap shoes on adventure sonic
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Reminder that he's still there, waiting for someone to take his bet.
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>>181900874
How do we even prove we kiledl ourselves though?
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>>181900874
couldn't walk away from something broken
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>>181900708
Better?
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>>181901161
Is Buddy gonna raise Classic Sonic?
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>>181900874
I think this nigger has forgotten what Sonic is even about. He's here without ANY purpose.
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>>181901341
thank you
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>>181901145
Video suicides are a thing, I'm honestly wondering if anybody really would off themselves if Mania sucks and sega continues to ignore it. I mean, those fighting game freaks at /arcs/ actually wound up killing two of their members over a shitposting war so anything's possible. Oh well, kinda hope it happens if there's one thing this world needs is for their to be less people in it, realistically I'd say about 4 billion less people on the planet would be pretty ideal. especially if you could make it it were only the bad and lazy people.
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>>181899743
to be honest, yes. If Mania is somehow bad, I think this will be the last straw for the majority of the fandom. I know a lot of people probably said the same thing with Sonic 4 but this time we haven't gotten *any* good Sonic games in years and Sega fucked up royally with Sonic Boom despite claiming to be dedicated to improving Sonic's image. They're also relying on nostalgia more than anything. Sonic 4 was appealing to it too but this is a legit classic Sonic game. Same character designs, same level aesthetics, same physics, same music style. Nostalgia is a powerful moneymaker but if you screw it up, you're done for. It's not just a a bad game, it's a heartbreaking game.

If Sonic Forces is bad, I don't think anything too awful will happen with the fans. I think a lot of people generally expect the 3D game to be decent and imperfect. As long as it's not Sonic 06 bad, I think we'll survive.
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>>181901609
There are about 7 billion evil and lazy fuckers on this planet.
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>>181901358
What is Sonic about?
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>>181901343
Yup.
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>>181902042
Making profit.
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>>181902042
>What is Sonic about?
Environmentalism
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>>181902042
Going fast and eating chili dogs until you shit yourself.
>>181902329
You're thinking of Awesome Possum.
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The missiles in this game look like Omega's missiles from Heroes.
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>>181902572
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>>181902042
Halting technological progress.
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>>181902572
>>181902775
interesting observation. I wonder if they intentionally designed it like that or if it was a coincidence.

>>181902042
beat up robots while looking damn cool doing it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZxiGcxAbAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt8lu6G9VFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE5UsoRlTkQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-ihowpc2Ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KavZb39iGuY
Sonic Forces really needs shit like this for the level design. It's the only thing that would really put some faith into Sonic Team.
We all know that won't happen though.
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>>181902042
The characters.

It doesn't even need to be fast. Speed isn't a necessity, because it's about the characters.

If only we could have an RPG without shit gameplay. RPG is the most suitable genre for Sonic so we can have more focus on the characters.
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>>181903459
The characters aren't that special. The gameplay is what matters. It's never been about the characters
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So modernfags, how does it feel, your comic is dead, you'll never see your characters again, soon, you'll never see them in games either, because gets what motherfuckers, Whitehead and his crew HATE THE FUCKING FREIENDS. Sega will give them anything they want once Mania blows Forces out of the water, they won't even be forced to add in new characters or wisps because all they have to do is show Mania's numbers and our comments about what Forces was trash and they'll shut the fuck up. Whitehead and his crew basically own sega now, hopefully this inspires a new wave of developer fans who know what they're doing and actually give a fuck about the IP classic megamanfags, now's your chance!
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Remember when bait on 4chan was actually entertaining bait?
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>>181903585
Feels good to be a Classicfag. No more new characters, no more new gimmicks, no more tryhard stories about angst and friendship and shit. Just Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles beating up a fat scientist who's turning animals into robots. No dumb comics, no meme show, just 2d games. That's all Sonic should've been
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>>181903451
People have told me Unleashed is more "boost2win" and automated than Generations, but I'm not seeing it here.

One thing I always hated was the button prompts for when you do the sideswiping sections. If you put prompts there telling me what to press and when to press it, it's just a fucking QTE. When you disable the prompts in Generations it becomes entirely about reaction time, which is much preferred.
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>>181903585
At least I don't get my kicks from shitting up the general.
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>>181903585
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>>181903585
..and yet people still take the bait. Have people really ran out of things to talk about that THIS is the new staple of every thread?
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According to the tags on the tumblr upload of Fist Bump there's gonna be another Forces track sample uploaded "sooner than we think," cross those fingers tight for City Heights boys
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>>181903585
>Whitehead and his crew HATE THE FUCKING FREIENDS
Mania is literally the first game in forever where you can play as Sonic's friends.
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>>181903568
They are what make the franchise worthwhile though. If it was just Team Sonic, Eggman and 2D platforming with no dialogue and character interaction it would be the most boring series ever.
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>>181903978
Sonic Runners Adventure
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>>181903983
No they aren't. They're just annoying pieces of shit who scream in your ear between the levels about their one defining character trait.
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>>181903939
Because people are fucking stupid & don't know when to not reply to bait.

So /sthg/, what are some level themes you would like to see in future Sonic games? Like instead of "checkerboard hills," or "desert level" what theme would you like to see in Sonic games?
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>>181903978
The good ones, not the trash like Amy and beyond. I can't wait for Amyfags to get BTFO,too when they realized baised whitehead didn't include her in the plot nor as a hidden unlockable.
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>>181904063
Besides, if you want a story, Sonic isn't the place for it. It's never done it well
>If it was just Team Sonic, Eggman and 2D platforming with no dialogue and character interaction it would be the most boring series ever.
I guess you just hate the Genesis games then because they don't have characters screaming in your ear every 5 seconds.
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>>181904105
What level themes hasn't been done in Sonic games at this point?
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>>181904063
That is what they currently are, but there was once a time when they mattered to the plot and even had gameplay.
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>>181904261
Yeah, and those were awful times. They should've just faded into obscurity
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>>181904251
Good point. Well what about level themes would you like to see more of? After playing Advance 2 a lot recently, I really want to see a music themed Sonic stage, like Music Plant (may make one in the devkit, desu).
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>>181904341
So they have improved since those awful times?
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>>181903939
People are retarded, it's nothing new.
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Am I retarded for feeling that Egg Emperor is the most enjoyable Eggman battle in the series?
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>>181904423
I like the Japan theme they had in Aquarium Park.
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>>181904105
I'd like to see some more lesser-loved old levels return. Maybe bring back Dragon Road, Secret Base, Asteroid Coaster, the toy level from Advance 3, that kind of thing
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>>181904546
>Am I retarded for feeling that Egg Emperor is the most enjoyable Metal Sonic battle in the series?
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>>181903764
With those prompts, it just ends up feeling like filler in the level. What's so great about these stages is how you have to think about timing in order to get the best possible path.
And ST really needs to do more stuff on timing. They have the perfect opportunity to create stages like that with the homing attack, yet they never fucking do.
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>>181904546
Egg Emperor isn't my favorite, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't like it. I remember that being my favorite Eggman boss design when I was younger too.
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>>181904462
Marginally. They're not relevant anymore, which is good, but they're still in them, which is bad
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>>181904546
No, but why do you think it's the best boss fight? Personally I was never a fan of any of the boss fights in Heroes, but I did think this one was the best in the game. Most of the Heroes boss fights felt very button mashy and tedious to me.
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>>181904105
I'd like to see more factory levels making it in 3D games. Hell, the Riders series did a pretty decent job with keeping the stages interesting and pleasant to look at. The factory stages in Zero Grav were top notch.
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>Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta for Switch
>Doomfist
>New qt Squid and Octopussy
>Fist Bump
>that 20th Pokemon Movie is just as Bad as it sounds
>Tekken Bowl

What a Week
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>>181904569
>the toy stage in Advance 3
Oh yeah, Toy Kingdom. For as much flack Advance 3 gets, I really liked the idea of a toy themed stage. That would be another one I'd like to see return (or made by one of us).
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>>181905062
How bad is the poke movie?
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>>181905339
Long story short, not as bad as the Genesect, worse than Darkrai.
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>>181904931
I mean that I think it's the best Eggman fight, not necessarily the best of all boss fights. And I guess I like it because you have to constantly be active, maintain your distance to avoid being CHAAAARGE(D) and the boss is never invulnerable.

There are lot of bosses where you have to wait around or dodge until their weak spot opens up and I don't like that. I like that I can constantly mix between being offensive and defensive on my own terms. Not that it's really needed if you know how to cheese this fight, but I still feel that way from a design perspective.
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>>181905062
>Bayonetta for Switch
What
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>>181905885
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>>181905885
That movie sound like a patched together mess holy shit, it had like several arcs at once. Who could like this, that friend line up at the feels like a big fuck you to those character's fans as well they didn't even include his newier friends either because they're drawn in a cheaper artstyle, lazy as fuck.
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>>181905062
>Pearl
>qt
She looks like she has down syndrome.
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>>181887537
Thanks for the stream
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>>181905885
>completely disregards the anime
>has all the characters across its history show up at the very end
?????
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>>181906407
I just read the plot summary on Pokebeach. Jesus what a cash cow. They even said that everything put in the movie was for marketing. It looks like they wanted to make a great anniversary movie but higher ups demanded other shit be added. Oh the Sinnoh remakes are coming, make the other two main characters use a Lucario and Piplup. Oh, Gen 7 is still happening. Put Marshadow in it. The Pokemon movies have never been great but this sounds awful.
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>>181906675
Thank you friend
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Stupid 90s
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>>181907335
some anon saw this comic as a 4-5 year old and was graced with wonderful fetish for the rest of their life
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>>181905885
I am humiliated to have ever enjoyed Pokemon. This is filth that makes PokeGirls look like a rational and respectful reinterpretation of the source material.
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>>181907237
Nice
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>>181906039
>>181904931
>>181904546
>>181904683
Don't forget the fact that it has one of the most kickass not-final battle themes ever. Just that fucking buildup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evtQMowXsUY
Deem Bristow's lines are also great and I do definitely miss him a little
>"I'll show you what real evil is!"
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>>181908163
Remind me again why I've never taken the time to just listen to the Heroes soundtrack
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Opinions on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmpUKsbfdAY
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>>181908774
>Death Battle
Not even once.
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>>181908774
Death Battle is garbage but the results seem correct. Absolute Zero looks dumber than Metal Madness though, and that's impressive

Their research inconsistencies bother me so much
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>>181908774
>death battle

Not worth opening.
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Reminder that Amy is a gem.
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>>181908947
*germ
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>>181908774
I feel like I'm the only one who actually watches these things for the fights specifically. The pseudoscience and feats analysis stuff is cool but I prefer autistic debates instead of a 15 minute video which already decides the outcome through two annoying guys rattling off shit from games. I just stick around for the sprite battles.
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>>181908774
I take everything from them with a grain of salt after that Gaara vs. Toph Death Battle.
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>>181908947
Best girl
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>>181908163
I like Pollock but he's never been able to get Bristow's sinisterness down. He has some great moments in Heroes but my favorite would have to be:
>"You fool. Away! Before I make mincemeat out of you."
to Tails in Sonic Adventure. It's not a particularly threatening line, it's actually kind of cliche, but the way Bristow says it just makes it sound so menacing and sinister. His delivery is perfect.

https://youtu.be/i8zLxpLuhLU?t=1422
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>>181908947
I already knew that anon, she's a Rose Quartz
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>>181908947
Well that's a neat little fun fact there, but that doesn't explain why Amy is there with Sonic.
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>>181909045
*Parasite
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>>181909526
Stupid faker
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Cucked!
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>>181909581
Shit, I was gonna use that pic on another post.

>>181909628
Buddy is too pathetic to put the moves on Amy
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>>181909628
But they're not a thing so not really.
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>>181909628
Buddy is Dexter?
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>yfw Forces puts Iizuka's two worlds in the games?
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>>181909902
Isn't that more or less confirmed? I thought it was confirmed that Classic Sonic is Forces would be Sonic from a different world rather than Sonic from the past like in Generations.
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>>181909902
The boss battle with Eggman has him calling Classic 'a pint-sized Sonic from another dimension'

Forces is absolutely about the multiple worlds bs
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>>181910009
I mean like there being two planets they just fly between.
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Amy is cuter than you.
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Was Mephiles a good villain?
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>>181910115
Amy is a horrible rodent. Your statement is still correct, that just isn't a very high bar.
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>>181910370
>horrible rodent
Rude
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>>181909628
Buddy can't get girls.
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>>181910370
You take that back.
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>>181910683
Obviously because he's into boys and will get with Modern and Classic.
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>>181910861
He can't get them either. No one wants Buddy.
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>>181910349
He wasn't amazing but pretty decent, one of the better parts of 06. His theme was genuinely creepy the first couple times I heard it, his boss battle theme was pretty good too. Being the shadow of a god of light was pretty interesting and spooky.

I feel like tricking Silver was poorly done, he didn't put much effort into deceiving him and Silver was easy to manipulate but really the blame for that underwhelming sub-plot can't be pinned on Mephiles, more on Silver for being so easily tricked, or on the writers. I also don't really see the point in him taking on the form of Shadow's shadow, it explains why he has the form of a hedgehog but nothing ever comes from this. I like how he is the shadow of the flame of Solaris (at least I'm pretty sure that is what he is, I haven't played that game in a long time so I may be getting that wrong) because that went somewhere; his goal was to reunite with the other fraction of Solaris, Iblis, so that they could become whole again. Copying Shadow was just unnecessary and meaningless. There wasn't even any improbable confusing him with Shadow or Sonic like in Adventure 2, it feels more like an excuse to keep the game's villain in a familiar form, like there needed to be an evil hedgehog and taking the form of Shadow's shadow was just a hasty explanation for how that came to be. He just felt like a faker's faker. Maybe it would have been better if he acted more like Shadow, like if he threw icicles like Shadow's chaos spears or raced him or something. If I remember correctly the only thing he had in common with shadow was a similar model, which just made him feel like a forced gimmick rather than a real rival or evil copy.
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>>181909628
Who was the artist for this again?

>>181910861
But anon what if he could only choose one of them.
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>>181911235
>No one wants Buddy.
I beg to differ.
I'd gobble that knot.
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I don't like the direction that the Sonic franchise seems to be heading in.
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>>181912326
I don't like the direction that the car in the tornado seems to be heading in.
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>>181910115
Well of course she is. She's a cute cartoon animal and I'm an overweight middle aged basement dweller.
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Final Rush is ________
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>>181912814
Meh.
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>>181912326
I like the Classic direction if the Mania team stays.
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>>181912326
I'm okay with the direction that the Sonic franchise seems to be in. Not perfect, but it still gives some hope
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>>181912814
the best level in the game because it's the only one that's really open with multiple paths.
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Sonic is the fans.
The goalpost is a good Sonic game.
The tornado is Iizuka.
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>>181912814
gives me butterflies.
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>>181904546
I'd say that goes to Egg Dragoon from Unleashed. God that battle is cool as hell.
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>STILL NO BIG HEAD METAL SONIC PLUSH

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
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>>181915765
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Shut up.
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>>181915820
You shut up, normie.
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>>181892185
it's no use
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>>181915765
Just get a regular Metal plush.
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>>181916957
No God damn it, I want more metal merchandise. My shrine must expand!
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Fist Bump
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>>181917535
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Why is Knuckles more afraid of this than Tails?
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>>181917817
Her punches are probably week
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>>181918049
>wouldn't be caught dead using a gun
>is perfectly fine being the bullet though

Typical. Shadow should have capitalized on that and made a custom gun that shoots Sonics. At least he would have been useful that way.
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It's finished! Not the best thing I've ever made, but at least it didn't take me five years to get it done.

http://lewdsfm.xyz/

The humanoid bodies were ultimately chosen by the person who I made it for.
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>>181918832
Revolting, degenerate subhuman. You deserve to be hung with your own spine after having it surgically removed.
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>>181917817
So cute, if only Amy threw punches in StF rather than use her hammer.
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Are any of the mario and sonic games any good?
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>>181919508
I hear they're alright. Probably shoot for one of the later entries since I think they added more events over time and the dream events stuff.
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>>181919923
I meant the olympic games. but thanks for the mario suggestion, haven't played SMW in a long ass time.
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Is Eggman right? Are my efforts really futile?
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>>181920007
jesus I can be retarded sometimes.
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>>181920209
Just don't do what Sonic does
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>>181920209
Get some help.
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Sonic, dead or alive, is Eggman's
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>>181920325
What Sonic does is good. Evil can't win. Take them down with a seconds thought.
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when you feel tight look at yourself
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>>181921067
WITHOUT*********************************************************************
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>>181917817
Hey Yoto. Long time no see!
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Anyone up for a game or three of Sonic the Fighters on PS3? There's virtually no one else on the servers right now. Round count is three, time limit 30, game type is A, and secret character is on. I'm in the US.
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>>181923003
I'm in England so I don't know if I'll even connect but sure why not, I've got nothing better to do. You'll know its me cause I exclusively play as fang.
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>>181923161
Cool. You'll know it's me if the first part of my name is "Squeaky" and I play as Honey.

Also, don't worry about connection. I'm actually playing the game through PS Now (on fiber, to be fair), so I don't mind a bit of latency.
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>"They stayed alive for generations and now live peacefully with humans.....who mass-breed them, then grind them up and make them into food."
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>>181918832
>deathclaw with titties
You're alright, anon.
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Good games, anon! That was fun.
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Your connection seems fine as well. I didn't notice any lag beyond the usual PS Now lag.
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>>181924281
Yeah, the games a lot more fun when you actually have someone to fight against rather than being stuck with practicing against the AI. You're a pretty good player too, which helps.
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>>181917535
Fuck, I need some porn of her.
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>>181925161
Try the booru
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>>181925246
Good shit, thanks.
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>>181925432
>"I like to think we've made a difference today."
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>>181919508
galaxy 2 and lost world
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>>181923797
>vegan chao slices
So do they contain artificial chao or what?
Is omochao an artificial chao?
Is eggmans mustache fake?
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>>181926138
chao aren't "meat" by normal standards, so they can call it vegan and its ok.
Omochao is a robot chao and an abomination to chaokind.
Nope.
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>>181889114
I hate that shit. Advance series ROMhacks with removed buttholes when?
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Kinda wish there was a full version of this.
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Is Blaze a pretty princess?
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>>181897336
Touch fluffy Tails
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>>181917817
Her body is a little too wide.
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I love Amy Rose!
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>>181934459
Me too!
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>>181934459
We know you do Sonic.
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>>181917567
Bump is not a slut, you are just dirty minded!
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>>181934459
I wanna slide my hands around her bare back and then grab her perky tats
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>>181937616
Eww gross i can almost see her boobers.
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>>181911506
In Shadow's story, Mephiles was supposed to be an Evil Shadow, like a living manifestation of Shadow's past transgressions, trying to manipulate him down that road again. It's supposed to show how far Shadow has come. Have you not heard of a Shadow-Archetype before?
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>>181918049
It's a situation where Sonic is like "Let's do this crazy-awesome and dangerous thing!" Naturally, Tails is all for it and will follow Sonic to the ends of the earth. But Knuckles, being Sonic's rival and opposing force, has the opposite attitude towards it.
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I'm curious /sthg/: Let's say Forces & Mania both succeed, leading to SEGA improving on the Boost formula & keeping the Adventure tone of stories, while having Taxman/Stealth/PW make more 2D, Genesis styled games. Would the fanbase be less toxic or will there still be a ton of in-fighting?
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>>181939932
I think that's the scenario a lot of people have wanted for years. Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic games alongside each other. So the fanbase might be in a better state.
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I really like the idea of the Rock Band and Madonna being a part of Sonic's actual backstory, way back in his early days of living on Christmas Island and visiting South Island for the first of many times.
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>>181939932
Adventure fans would probably throw a fit over not actually having the Adventure gameplay back. I guess it depends on if future Modern Sonic games continue to have returning stages and yet another 'Classic Sonic teams up with Modern' game. If not, then the Modern and Classic games would be mostly fine, since different people are focusing on the two games. You'd still get some autistic screeching, but I think most would just want whatever to be done well.
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>>181939932
the sonic fandom has way too much baggage to ever recover completely.

i don't think the 2d vs 3d shitflinging will end before they completely remove 2d sections from 3d sonic. as for the argument between 3d gameplay styles there will always be a lot of people that dislike boost no matter how polished it is because it's inherently simplistic
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>>181939932
The fanbase would probably get a lot worse and continue to say that their side is better while bitching at the other.
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>>181930015
Yes.
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I want a wrestling game with Sonic characters.
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>>181943656
I want a basketball game with Sonic characters.
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>>181944027
I want a dating sim with Sonic characters.
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>>181944717
I want a good game with Sonic characters.
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>>181943656
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Someone just told me that Shadow and Amy are Silver's parents. Is it true or is it bullshit? I'm doubtful of it to be honest since Shadamy was never a thing..I believe?
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>>181945615
it's bullshit
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>>181945615
It was speculation based off something in Black Knight, but Iizuka deconfirmed it, IIRC.
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>>181945972
>storybook
>canon
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>>181945615
Shadamy is canon, but whether or not Silver is their son is not completely confirmed.
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>>181946018
0 games are canon in Sonic.
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Sticks is a very lewd girl
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>>181945786
>>181945972
That's what I thought. It sounded way too farfetched to be real.
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>>181946027
Reminder to decriers that Cindy is no longer just a voice actor and her word holds a lot more weight now.
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>>181946357
>boom
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>>181946423
And?
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>>181946491
it's unrelated to the japanese games
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>>181945615
It's complete shipper bullshit.

>>181946027
I'm surprised no one tried to use this in argument to seriously "prove" shadamy is canon.
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>>181946546
Shadamy isn't exclusive to the japanese games?
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>>181946643
He's saying Boom has fuck all to do with the games (not to mention Cindy was clearly fucking around).
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>>181946916
Ah. So it's just reply chain confusion.
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>>181946018
I want to mention the reference to Shahra in Generations but it probably means nothing now. It was just an excuse time travel plot.
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Sonic has such a pure heart and soul
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>>181945615
Just people taking their headcanons to seriously. Clearly, Shadamy won't be a thing as other ships in this series. I think Silver being their kid is honestly a silly idea but that's just me.
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>>181947384
sonic is wicked. even more narcissistic than eggman. his good guy demeanor is just a way for him to feed his ego

shadow is the real saint. he went through hell and still chose the right path without ever caring if anyone knew
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>>181947158
if you can't read three posts in a row you should kill yourself
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Anybody else been watching Imakuni play SA2? This is almost too much for me, she's uploaded over 40 hours of gameplay.
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>>181947824
>being this triggered about Shadamy
You're the retard that considered it part of the chain, I was just mentioning Cindy has more sway about what's canon than Penders does now.
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https://twitter.com/sonicnewsnow/status/883357986521051136
>Breaking: GameloftClub uncovered a brand new launch trailer for #SonicRunnersAdventure. #SonicNews
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>>181948363
>Taking that post seriously
Also it's pretty silly to argue over shit being canon, especially when it's from a show where everybody working on it loves to troll their fanbase.
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>>181948619
>Nothing is canon anymore, silly baka gaijin
What's his endgame?
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>>181904172
Amy was before Knuckles.
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>>181949417
Sssh, don't reply to nearly day old bait
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Can someone give me that picture with both sonics with a toilet paper roll on their heads? I forgot to save it
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>>181949030
making you think
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>>181948619
Yeah, Boom loves trolling, especially towards Sonamy fans. But yeah, clearly Cindy was kidding but I have seen Shadamy fans, unsurprisingly, go crazy over this.
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>>181949030
>What's his endgame?

To make Sonic like Mario, where no continuity exists, Wisps are like "powerups" and run buttons. I hope you enjoy Sonic playing sports with Mephiles like nothing ever happened.
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>>181949598
This one?
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>>181949984
But Forces doesn't have a run button?
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>>181950491
Sonic having no manly fur is why Shadamy is canon.
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>>181939932
>leading to SEGA improving on the Boost formula
I'd prefer that they dump the Boost.
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>>181949984
Is there a Sonic game where you hold B to run?
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>>181949984
Epic retro Saturn game totally not Mario Lost World bombed hard. Pontaff Sonic is dead for good.
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>>181950491
YESSS THANKS ANON
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I finished Rush. I would like to say something about Blaze's story.

Is it me, or Sonic's gang is really obsessed over friendship? I thought it was really funny but uncomfortable seeing a princess had to find its emeralds to estabilish the stability of her world, which was really important, but then Cream comes in and tries to force Blaze to be friends, while taking a stranger to her house and even forcing Blaze to meet even more people, while Blaze's world was in danger. I'm quite impressed Blaze was able to contain its case of nerves through all of this process, when she's a short-tempered person.
I can see in the end that all of this was worth it, but still, couldn't Sonic's gang (especially Cream) at least take it slowly? Witnessing all of this stuff, I'm not certain with Cream's role on Rush, that is, I don't think I like seeing her trying always to be friends with every stranger she meets for the first time, even if it suits her personality. I prefer her role better on Advance 2.

Oh, and can we aswell talk about how perfect is Dead Line? The gimmicks, the sounds, the music, the graphics, everything was great. I don't remember this particular zone being this much of fun, especially when I'm good at this game. I guess you could say this was what I needed. I loved Huge Crisis and Altitude Limit too.

>>181904105
>what are some level themes you would like to see in future Sonic games?
I want more zones that happens on the skies or on the space without the Tornado and any kind of ground in the background. It's where I usually feel I have to fight the fear of high altitudes, while witnessing the beauty of white clouds (or gray and black clothes, like Final Fortress) and shiny stars. It gets even more awesome when the character have to drop and fall off to reach the ground, like Advance 2's cutscenes.
Alternatively, more zones that happens on military harbors. Metal Harbor is cool.
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>>181950848
They did and Lost World was the result. So they fell back on their last safest gameplay style, introduce Classic again and add another style to test the waters (power up based platforming).
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>>181951161
If you think it's bad in Rush, I'd hate to see your opinion on it in other Japanese properties.
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>>181950921
Wow, this game keep getting even more pathetic.
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>>181950979
lost world was the only non-shit 3D sonic
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>>181951081
No problem.
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>>181950763
>why Shadamy is canon
Yeah maybe on Fanfiction.net
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>>181951409
I didn't even know it was possible for there to be Lost Worldfags. Tell us, how is Lost World the best 3D Sonic? Not trying to shit on you, just curious.
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>>181951223
The Spin Dash in that game was just a reskinned boost, only now it's infinite.
>>181951409
>2D sections
>pandered hard to Classicfags while missing the point
It's shit.
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>>181949984
Outside of the Olympics, I don't think Sonic has any recent sports games. I kinda wish he did.
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>>181951409
Yeah it's probably why it's a decried game that sold like shit.
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>>181951507
1. it's not on rails
2. the controls are not overly slippery or sensitive so precision platforming at high speed without lockons or splines is possible
3. going fast is a function of platforming skill rather than holding a button to win
4. you don't just go fast, there's other goals in the levels

point number 2 is enough to make it the best desu senpai
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>>181951524
BUT BALDYMCNOSEHAIR HEY
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>>181951524
The level design and general control scheme were still vastly different from the boost games, although pretty linear in some ways.

What else is there to go with now? Adventure style level design and gameplay? I can't really see them making anything entirely original these days.
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>>181951716
There's loads of cinematic on-rails moments throughout the game.
>>181951786
OY VEY
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>>181951656
>classic fags
>muh momentum
>adventurecucks
>muh story
>boostfucks
>muh fast
>ign
>we have no skill it's too hard

just a case of collective bad taste and bad journalism spinning into the perfect spiral of misinformation
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>>181951716
>not on rails
>Frozen fucking Factory
>a lot of scripted booster segments in parts of the level throughout the game bar a few levels
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>>181951886
I think a combination of Adventure and Lost World could be neat. Though I can see Sonic Team still trying to hamfist 2D and shit physics in the game.
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>>181951920
Yep. Amy's destined to chase Sonic forever. I prefer it that way, desu.

>>181950848
I don't think they should dump Boost, just rework it so you gain it through keeping momentum & building up speed. Something like Advance or (to use a 3D example) Green Hill Paradise would be ideal.
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>>181952032
>boostpads are now rails
nice. nice.
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>>181951716
>3. going fast is a function of platforming skill rather than holding a button to win
Instead of holding X to boost, I now press and hold one of the triggers and jump occasionally to endlessly spindash.
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>>181952175
They are in 3D games. That's the real problem with them, they're used a a crutch rather than a tool.
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>>181952231
you literally can't do that. dashing must be calculated to avoid obstacles
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>>181951507
>>181951524
>>181951656
>replying to obvious bait
Man what a great general this is.
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>>181952315
not in lost world. the "boost" paths are more difficult, which is a step up even from sonic 2.

there isn't any one path like it's some kind of racing track like in boostshit
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>>181952175
There's plenty of moments in the game where some boosters just guide your path for parts of the level, needing no input from the player.
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>>181952379
Nobody thinks this is a great general.
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>>181952175
When people refer to gameplay being "on-rails", it's not necessarily literal. Lost World has a shit-ton of linear gameplay.
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>>181952430
>boostpads are now rails
nice. nice.

are you literally comparing this to shit like loops in adventure?
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>>181952492
it doesn't. all the levels are fairly wide and have multiple approaches with

are you seriously comparing it to shit like unleashed where you go forward and time your jumps like it's a minecart section?
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>>181952379
I can't believe people didn't take the bait lat time, only to fall for it like retards a second time. Unbelievable.
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>>181951902
>muh momentum
Yeah. Momentum. Physics. The thing that put Sonic on the map in the first place. You've got a problem with that? Ask yourself something, Anon:

What is Sonic?
>He's a hedgehog.
What are hedgehogs famous for doing?
>Curling into balls.
What is Sonic famous for doing?
>Going fast.
How do you make a ball go fast?
>You put it on a hill.
What do you need for this to work?
>Physics

Basically, if Sonic isn't going fast by rolling down slopes then "Sonic the Hedgehog" has no reason to be a hedgehog. It all becomes meaningless. Slopes, rolling and physics are not only at the core of the franchise in terms of gameplay, but it is at the core of the franchise's very name.
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>>181952676
Does >>181903451 look like shit to you?
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>>181952967
it looks like a racing game to me. good in its own way, but not really a platformer like it should be
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>>181952676
The bottom line is, 3D or not, If I cannot change the camera angle in your game then it is a linear game. It's pretty simple logic, really. Nintendo said the same thing with their "Linear Mario Vs. Open Mario" diagram when they unveiled Mario Odyssey.
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>>181904546
>Am I retarded for feeling that Egg Emperor is the most enjoyable Eggman battle in the series?
Egg King
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>>181952785
Too bad momentum-based physics don't fucking work in 3D. No, fuck you, GHP and Utopia don't count. They're way too fucking awkward and would never fly in a mainstream release.
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>>181953082
you can be "linear" without being on rails. crysis is "linear". it's a very broad term. you're just reaching for any reason to hate on lost world because your brain functions off of memes
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>>181953142
>They're way too fucking awkward
They were fine for me. I even played Birthday Bash with no "awkwardness."

>would never fly in a mainstream release
I disagree. I think something like that would work pretty well amongst Sonic fans.
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>>181952702
Most Japanese anime/manga have a heavy focus on friendship similar to Sonic Rush. If you don't like it Sonic Rush, you'll have to power through it in other stuff.
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>people thinking one of the characters will die because of Fist Bump's lyrics
Why is this fanbase so retarded?
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>>181953552
What about the lyrics to Fist Bump could make someone think that?
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What's with this hate towards GHP and Utopia recently? I don't care much for the former but the latter controls well aside a decent auto camera. Or is it just shitposting?
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>>181953859
>Or is it just shitposting?
Gee anon, what do you think it is?
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>>181953552
I wonder if they'll eventually kill off a major character.
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>>181953983
Probably not. After all, that last time they tried killing someone off they had to bring them back, due to popularity.
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>>181953552
People actually made it through the whole song?
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>>181953347
Going through loops in those fangames is awkward as fuck. There's a reason Sonic Team made those automatic. And between "muh depth" that momentum-based physics offer, and the exhilarating speeds Boost offers, I choose the latter. Actually FEELING like you are the character you're playing as is paramount in game design.

When I play 3&K, as good as a platformer as it is, I don't feel like Sonic. You see him go that these insane speeds in the cartoons, the OVA, Sonic CD's intro, the game cutscenes, and yet you never reach anywhere close to those speeds in-game when you rely on momentum to reach it. GHP came close to solving this, but going from 0-100 at the drop of a hat feels so much better.

Boost has its flaws, and call me a casual all you want, but this is the huge difference between Classicfags, who only care about raw gameplay, and Boostfriends, who care about everything complimenting said gameplay.
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>>181953859
Why do people like you overreact to everything? One guy said something bad about Utopia in this thread.
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Are there any good RPG Maker Sonic games?
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>>181953859
GHP:
Tripfag attention whore.

Utopia:
Shilled endlessly by people who know nothing about functional game mechanics.
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>>181953142
>GHP and Utopia don't count because they're awkward to control
I'm sorry you couldn't get a grip on the controls of either of them, but the fact is that you are in the minority. Both of these fangames received critical praise for their controls and mechanics upon their releases and GHP was even praised by the great evil one himself, Arin Hanson. I would love to see him play Utopia as well.

>>181953859
Hard to say. They're both great demonstrations of an alternative gameplay style for 3D Sonic that had never been attempted in a practical setting. Personally, I think Utopia's controls and art-style are better, but GHP's level design is better. GHP actually has things to do in it like getting Chaos Emeralds and unlocking Hidden Palace Zone.
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>>181954146
Hell yeah. It's a fun song & the video only lasted like a minute or so.
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>>181954297
>but the fact is that you are in the minority. Both of these fangames received critical praise for their controls and mechanics upon their releases
So I'm wrong because I'm not a normie?

>GHP was even praised by the great evil one himself, Arin Hanson.
No shit, because he knows he'd look like a complete douchebag for picking on a fan making a free game. Half the praise GHP gets in the media comes from "durrhurr, fans made a better 3D Sonic".
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>>181954172
It's been in the last few threads I saw
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>>181954478
>he knows he'd look like a complete douchebag
You honestly think Egoraptor gives a fuck about looking like a douche to Sonic fans? And the reason GHP & Utopia got the praise it got is because people honestly enjoyed them.

If you didn't like them that's fine, but people legitimately enjoyed both games. Calm down
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>>181909526
that's some sasuke tiers of bullshit right there
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>>181912326
if you want to change that, buy and enjoy Mania
http://nintendoeverything.com/sega-will-be-looking-at-the-reception-of-sonic-mania-to-determine-the-direction-of-the-series/
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>>181954683
No, I think he'd look like a douche even to his mindless fans. It's easy to pick on a corporation putting out a game that costs $60, but one guy? A fan? Making a free game? Even for Arin it'd be in poor taste and hurt his e-celeb image.
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>>181954863
I doubt his mindless fans would've shat on Arin for it. I mean, those type of people take any chance they get to shit on Sonic fans for liking the series to begin with.
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Is there a difference between Japanese Sonic art style and Jam/CD/OVA/Hesse art style?

Basically what does pic related fall under?
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>>181954478
Did I say you were "wrong" because you couldn't grasp the controls? No, dipshit. I just want you to understand that your opinion is not the popular one. The popular opinion is that these games are great demonstrations of how 3D Sonic should be. You have an opinion that differs from most peoples'? Great! Good for fucking you. That doesn't make you right and it doesn't make them right, or wrong either. They're opinions. That's how they work.
The thing is: opinions are powerful. Opinions make money. If more Sonic fans like Utopia and GHP than people who don't that means that the ideas and mechanics that those games demonstrate are profitable and, in the end, that is what matters.
>>181955026
They shit on Arin for running past the wooden signs in GHP and then blaming the level for not telling him where to go, so I don't know about that.
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>>181949984
>where no continuity exists
bullshit, pretty much anything that isn't DK '97, DK2 & 3, Super Mario Bros. platformers, SML2 and Wario Land, 64DS Sunshine, Galaxy, Paper Jam, and Odyssey are regarded relevant to it continuity.
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>>181954843
No, Mania is exactly the direction I don't want the series to go in.
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>>181955650
Well, are you liking the direction Forces is going in, anon?
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Which game is this art from?
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>>181955650
well, too bad then, it's a whole lot brighter than Iizuka and friends' meddling in Forces.
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>>181955808
2. IIRC, it was from the cover box.
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>>181955802
No, I don't want that either.
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>>181956065
Well, what direction would you like to see the series go, then?
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>>181955808
This >>181955952 is correct
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>>181955808
American Sonic looked a lot better without the mohawk.
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>>181956190
It's the wrong art, my bad.

It looks like a weird hybrid between Japanese and American Sonic 2.
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What are the comparisons between DBZ and Sonic?
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>>181956371
http://penrycreative.com/sonic-the-hedgehog/
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>Lostcucks are a thing now
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>>181956603
>Super Sonic = Super Sayian
>Chaos Emeralds = Dragon Balls
>Silver = Trunks
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>>181956603
>>181956769
>Sonic Adventure = Sonic Quest for Power
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>>181956685
Here we go, sorry for the screw ups.
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>>181956769
>Shadow = Vegeta
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>>181956902
>let me talk about the first level
>hedgehog to do
>gal
>princess sally

Oh boy game journalism sure was better before
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>>181956136
I want duality between 3D platforming games with Sonic/Shadow Adventure gameplay, and RPGs. Platformers can stay light on the narrative, while the RPGs focus on them.

Characters are important in Sonic. I want RPGs to capitalize on them. Lots of dialogue. Both funny things like banter between Sonic and Knuckles or Eggman, and serious things like Rouge and Omega bringing out a softer and protective side of the otherwise reserved and anti-social Shadow. Chronicles was on the right track with the characterization and interactions between the characters, but unfortunately everything else about the game was pretty bad. I don't see why we couldn't have something along the lines of a Mario & Luigi game, or an action-RPG like Kingdom Hearts. Either is fine by me as long as it's not fucked up.

I just don't want 2D platforming where it's only Sonic and Eggman. That's too boring to me.
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>>181955808
With all the reverse image searches, apparently it's someone's rendition of another art.

https://board.sonicstadium.org/topic/4159-sonic-the-hedgehog-4-retro-but-modern-sonic-look/?page=4
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New Tee Lopes remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z-JhQmoFWQ
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>>181955267
Anon, you are literally fucking autistic.
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>>181957096
To be fair to the writer, even CD's U.S. manual called her Princess Sally.
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>>181956909
is Neo Metal Sonic "Perfect Cell" or "Super Buu"
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>>181957520
How is that autism, anon?
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>>181957612
Perfect Cell since he's an imitation. Iblis is Buu and Mephiles Babidi except better.
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>>181957663
Because when someone puts any sort of thought into talking about Sonic then it's autistic. Duh.
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>>181957612
>>181957775
Than who is the Broly?
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>>181958002
I wish I could use my book and knock someone with it. repeatedly.
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>>181958150
Silver

More seriously, Blaze, she comes from far away and wants to burn everything. Also Silver's pal
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>>181958150
>Stupid backstory
>Ridiculously overpowered
>Non-canon
Hmm... Nazo, maybe?
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>>181958313
Fleewtway Super Sonic is as vicious. Nazo is Omega Shenron.
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>>181958313
Blaze confirmed
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>>181956603
>Super Sonic and others look like Super saiyan
>7 Chaos Emeralds with infinite power in Sonic, 7 Dragon Balls that can grant wishes in DBZ, plus both series have variations on these (Time Stones, Sol Emeralds, Namekian Dragon Balls, Super Dragon Balls, to name a few)
>The main protagonists Sonic and Goku are carefree, pure hearted and have both a talent and an obsession with their favorite hobby, running and fighting.
>Romantic interest character is very feminine but also very strong and pushy
>Shadow and Vegeta start as the protagonist's enemy but eventually become allies if not really friends. Both are somewhat angsty and, at least at some point, had a heated dislike of the protagonist
>Silver and Trunks are time travellers from a ruined future trying to prevent that future from happening
>Eggman is a tyrant attempting to achieve world domination and at times extending his Empire to space, but the main protagonist always stops him.

Not sure if a better comparison for Eggman would be the Red Ribbon Army because of roboticization or Frieza because of extending his empire to space, personally I think Red Ribbon is closer. Some of these comparisons are stronger than others though and I'm probably missing some.

Do you guys think there is any comparison to be made between Chaos and Shenron, or maybe a better comparison would be with those evil dragons from GT, but I only saw the first few episodes of that so I wouldn't really know. You could also argue that Knuckles is a better Vegeta, but personally I think he's more of a Krillin. Knows main protagonist longer than most other characters have known him, used to be rivals with him but have now become more of a supporting side character than anything else, keeps fucking up his one job, when you really think about it he is actually pretty powerful considering he is just a human/echidna but without a super form in the bigger picture of the series as a whole he is pretty weak.
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>>181958471
Knuckles IMHO is more Piccolo/God, temporary adversary of the hero but in the end very moral/stiff, knows a lot of lore and the keeper of the Chaos Balls.
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>>181958705
I didn't even think of that, that does make more sense.
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>>181958321
Bark can laugh?
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>>181957663
Believing that profit and popular opinion are more important than quality.
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>>181959020
...That's not autism, anon, that's just stupid. (in your eyes).
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>>181957382
>Not using an attention-grabbing image
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>>181959196
autism is the new stupid.
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>>181959468
Then, by your words, you are fucking autistic.
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>>181959806
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>>181959203
Ok I'll try again, NEW TEE LOPES REMIX
(MIRAGE SALOON ACT 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z-JhQmoFWQ
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>>181959959
ATTENTION GRABBING image
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>>181959959
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I wonder who the Bulma equivalent of the series is? Not Amy cause she's obviously Chi-chi. I guess Tails? Wave honestly would fit but she's not a recurring character and isn't close to Sonic.
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>>181960241
There are no sluts in the Sonic universe.
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>>181960061
oh hey i made that edit
i still don't think it's very good
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>>181960241
Rouge?
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>>181960376
I wish I was good enough do a fancomic where Mobius and Sonicsworld collide each other.

That's why I'm still training
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>>181960627
oops didn't mean to quote
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>>181960241
I was just about to post this. I've been wondering how Tails fits in, thinking at first that he must be Gohan, but Bulma fits better. He's been adventuring with the main protagonist even longer than Knuckles/Piccolo/Krillin, his intelligence helps the team and forwards the plot with inventions rather than just being an excuse to not be relevant anymore like Gohan. I don't think they are as similar as some other Sonic and DBZ characters, especially in personality, but I can't think of a better one to compare him to.
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>>181960627
Which Mobius? Post or Pre?
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>>181952702
Fuck off Rotorfag
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>>181959020
>profit and popular opinion are more important than quality
The "quality" of a game IS an opinion, Anon. In most cases, if a game is popular that means that it is considered to be of high quality. Of course, there are exceptions such as ironic popularity in the case of Sonic '06, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about unironic praise from a majority of Sonic fans and even non-Sonic fans. It's your opinion verses many others who oppose yours. Unless you're a communist, that means that you lose.

>>181960241
>Used to actually be on the front lines and get involved with the adventures
>Now is a cheerleader on the sidelines that sometimes does machines
Makes enough sense to me.
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>>181946546
So Shadamy is still canon in Mania?
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>>181960926
The Transformers movies are factually shit yet they have an unironic popularity. Your argument (whatever the fuck it is) is invalid.
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>>181960824
Isn't Post forbidden to be called Mobius anyway? To be frank I didn't read the comics, I only fondly remember Underground and SatAM. Only cartoon I actually cared about before the Super Anime Wave.
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Speaking of Dragonball, I will say that Goku and Chichi's relationship before they got married is similar to Sonic and Amy's. Chichi got lucky, Amy not so much.
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>>181960870
What's wrong?

>>181953519
Oh, I thought you were restricting only to Sonic's stuff, which is why you got me confused.
That's alright. Even when I don't mostly watch anime, I'm already used to Japan's industry entertainment over reusing constantly the friendship's plot, considering I have seen so many of theses kind of plots, and that includes Sonic games after Adventure, especially when it fits with Sonic's sense.
Like I said, it was umconfortable, but funny to see Blaze reacting to all of this. That of course didn't stop me from really liking Rush.

>>181959074
That's quite adorable.
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This was the best Sonic fan game ever. You can't argue this.
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>>181961413
If only Sonic had brain damage, she might have a chance.
>>
Why isn't he banned for this blatant avatarfagging?
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>>181961550
I saw Johnny playing the demo. I thought it was another shitty pre-alpha demo "olol so much better sonic than what sega does" but it's pretty entertaining, feels like a PS1-era game. Nothing revolutionary but still nice.
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>>181961621
Yeah, Goku is pretty dumb. Sonic has his dumb moments too but at least he knows that marriage isn't food.
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>>181961973
That's why he only kisses princesses.
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>>181954162
>Going through loops in those fangames is awkward as fuck
If a game like GHP or Utopia were actually passed by Sega, then I'm sure they would resolve this problem and iron out whatever other issues people would have with it.
Would you feel like Sonic if they also gave you the boost if you went in a straight line (or not make any drastic turns) for long enough? And made level design to benefit from this?
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>>181962221
No, because that's restrictive. I told you Boost had problems, didn't I? But they come far closer to the player actually feeling like Sonic than those shitty fangames do.
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>>181962504
Yeah, most of the problems I have with boost is how the levels are done. I wish they had more platforming, but boost ends up giving people the ability to just skip over all of that.
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>>181961550
I will say that it is the best 3D fangame in terms of control and mechanics. I wouldn't call it better than all of the 2D fangames, nor would I say that it's better than all fangames in all regards. The level design has some nice flow to it at times, but there is scarcely anything to do, or see after a couple run-throughs. No objectives, no missions, no collectibles other than rings. It doesn't compliment the open-ended style. Of course, that's because it was designed to be a demonstration of the mechanics rather than a fully-fledged game.

In short, it has the potential to be the best Sonic fangame ever if the team actually makes a full game with directed level design and objectives, but it certainly is not there yet in my opinion.
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>>181961550
What about that one fangame you hate
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>>181961550
perfect 3d sonic: utopia physics with green hill level design and lost world controls
>>
I think the whole point of GHP and Utopia is to be demonstrations of what Sonic could be if Sonic Team went in that direction. They aren't trying to out-do Sonic Team in terms of polish, or presentation because that would be a foolish endeavor. They're just trying to make a point and say "What if?"

>>181964410
>Lost World controls
Please elaborate. How does one have both Utopia Physics and Lost World controls? What aspects of Lost World would be adapted and which would be left out? Genuinely curious.
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>>181964813
being able to actually control sonic. stick feel
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>>181964410
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>>181963835
>I will say that it is the best 3D fangame in terms of control and mechanics.
Lol no. When you can't even make a u-turn, you know you fucked up.
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>>181965480
So, adventures turn on a dime responsiveness? Yea, between the two utopia's far superior.
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>>181965145
>stick feel
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Can you explain?
>>181965480
>Can't make a U-turn
You know what? That's a very good point. not being able to walk backwards and have the camera follow you without manually controlling it is a big flaw.
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Quick! Claim you're waifu before the threads archived!
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>>181965917
just play lost world
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>>181965990
>739
>>
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New thread WHEN?
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>>181966237
750
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>>181966217
how long until SU finally ends
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>>181965990
I claim Amy!
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>>181966237
in 8 posts
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>>181966217
Get that dyke away from that cat.
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>>181966050
That's 10 posts from bump limit
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>>181966338
who knows I only watched the peridot episodes

>>181966435
neither of them are gay
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>>181965990
Tails
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NEW BREAD
>>181966559
>>181966559
>>181966559
>>181966559
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>>181966618
>Threads not even at Page 7 yet
fuck off
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>>181966672
Can I fuck you, anon-kun?
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>>181957221
>Being a storycuck
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>>181946193
source?
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>>181965990
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>>181956279
Wrong
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>>181968394
right
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>>181968704
Wayyyy, past messed up, anon
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>>181968934
Way past correct my incorrect amigo.
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>>181968983
You gotta juice and let loose, misinformed friendo.
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>>181969249
That's no good.
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>>181970095
>teethfags
Worse than footfags, or no?
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>>181970453
At least teeth are clean.
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>>181970541
Only if you brush.
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>>181965990
Since you already chose Honey
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>>181970816
>yourwaifuaSHIT.png
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>>181970930
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