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Dueling Network/Yu-Gi-Oh! General #2517
Dead Edition

Last Thread: >>175927108
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Post your boss monster.

tfw no good support :'(
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>>176101945
>Key Mace
Team Taiyou should have fucking won, WRGP being important to the plot was a mistake
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>>176102156
last thread boyo
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>>176102156
He's great
I never get to summon him
and when i do
he usually dies that turn
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>No matter how much Konami has fucked us with rarity bumps, it will never be as bad as mtg
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>>176102156
What are you talking about? He has all the support in the world.
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>>176102541
Yes, Ninjas work great with him, but I want more. MORE damn you. Some dedicated Simorgh support or something.
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>>176102467
Yeah, unless you're like super poor, burning less than a grand for a meta deck and i mean the deck doesn't feel as bad because even if the banlist might take a big shit on whatever, there isn't set rotation so if you felt like you liked the deck, you could still play it in future metas. Hell i've seen motherfuckers trying to modernize TeleDAD. And even then, there's cheap decks that work for casual play and again, considering the lack of set rotation, you can casually play against a meta deck for fun, i know i did it back in Nekroz meta and gave a Nekroz player a good fight using Skull Servants.

Side note: there's also times when your meta deck you bought isn't hit at all by the banlist like fucking kozmo or Burning Abyss that still top despite being powercreeped to hell, and i don't care if they have been hit, judging how Burning Abyss started mixing itself with shit it had no business in. same goes for Kozmo shows that anyone can adapt a meta deck for modern days.
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>>176102674
I pray to god the Structure Deck Remaster of Simorgh is basically Simorgh Ninja's, with of course, a retarin of the normal Simorgh and not his well-done chicken meat version. Or some shit, didn't the original simorgh SD had some ninja cards?
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>>176102467
>company that has actual sponsors involved, monetary prizes, and can make an actual living off of if skilled enough
>company that gives literally zero fucks about its consumer base, does everything in its power to exploit and jew that it can get away with, ran by glaringly incompetent morons

What did he mean by this?
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>>176102882
Yes it had, shitty ones if I remember. And the newer Ninja stuff that's been coming out doesn't do shit for Simorgh too.
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>>176102156
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>>176102882
It also had Harpie reprints/Hysteric Party.

Not sure if ninjas or bird sluts are gonna own a giant turkey
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>>176102467
Eh. Eternal formats are relatively safe to buy into, while not constantly needing to worry if the banhammer will cripple your deck. Still expensive as shit but you need new decks less often, especially T1s

Unless you played Twin or Miracles.
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>>176102156
GIGA NIGGA

>tfw easily outed by crystal wang
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Reminder to go to bed so you dont forget to post a pic with your post the first time
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>>176103030
>make a living off MTG
The only way to make money is patreon or playing the distribution game. Wizards prize support is shit.
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>>176103030

>can make an actual living off of if skilled enough

No. You can make a living if you use your status for a patreon or something like that.
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>>176102156
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>>176102156
The three of them are equally good anyways, even cat dancer can make OTK's
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>>176102156
For a long time it's been pic related, because once I get a good Ghostrick lock going, she becomes invaluable for recycling and defense.
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>>176105064
>>176102156
But lately, I've been feeling my other deck a bit more. Would be nice to get some serious meta attention for either, though.

People argue Ghostrick has too much support, and it does, but it's not good support. It's like Konami just keeps piling middling support on them and hope they'll get better than pet, but they never do. They need a lot of focused attention, because three fields and like 15 monsters in the archetype is SOMEHOW not enough.

Wight could use some more support, though. Hell, zombies in general probably need a little more than they already get.

Is Zombie World still okay in Wights? I used to play at LCS with Zombie World in Wights and it was okay, but meta has shifted a lot since I last played this deck is it still worth it? Fuck Lawn mowing, shit is way more expensive than it deserves o be.
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>>176105304
>>176105064
Are you fucking wishing for ghostrick support?
Because i seriously don't want to see ghostrick topping events, seriously, the deck is all fine for casual play or getting trolled at by realizing that your top tier shit can get spooked out by those little shits, SPECIALLY WHEN FUCKING SKELETON IS A THING, seriously, skeleton mill is probably the worst thing that can happen to anyone.
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>>176105742
On the second tought, i just remember Link monsters can't be put face down so yeah, ghostricks might need a little thing
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>>176105742
>>176106127
Skeleton mill isn't so bad. It's 5 cards a turn, max. And yeah, that's spoopy to think, but it takes fucking forever to get a full field with Ghostrick. In modern meta, Ghostrick aren't fast enough. We get OTKed too easy. Like, there's ways around getting OTKed with Ghostrick, but not reliably. They should have flourished in Pendulum meta, should've had their own pair, but they didn't. And with Links basically making their main trick moot, they desperately need better support.

Which, once again, I'm going to say sounds like a crazy person thing. Because they already have so much god damn support. 3 archetype specific field spells for fucks sake. It's not the right kind of support though, never was.
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>>176102156
someone already posted my nigger King of Skulls so take my favorite shitty ritual I used in all the DS and PSP games as my big bad
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>>176102467
you are trolling right?
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>>176103616
>easily outed by crystal wang
Only if he gets attacked.

Lighting on the other hand, do a number on him.
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>>176103616
Wasn't there a way to cheat him out?
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>>176108184
And shenanigan involving 3 Zushin, and Mallet.
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>>176108334
Oh yeah that card and GB Hunter.
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level 9 zombie-type synchro when?
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Why is WIND type so neglected? Barely any Fusions, and no Rituals at all, i think.
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>>176109868
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>>176109953
Shit, i kinda wanna fuck him.
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>>176102440
I summoned him in tournament the other day against Invoked. He survived like 5 turns, but wasn't able to inflict a single point of damage or use his effect.
The stalling was actually sufficient for me to win though.
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How do I update this? I don't want zoos in there anymore. Should I just main kaijus or some shit?
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>>176113163
delete
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>>176113163
main ash and/or ogre or change it to the demise build
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Amazoness Pet Liger
Earth Beast / Fusion / Effect
LV7 2500/2400
“Amazoness Tiger” + 1 “Amazoness” monster
(1) During damage calculation, when this card attacks: You can have this card gain 500 ATK during this damage calculation only.
(2) After damage calculation, when an “Amazoness” monster you control attacked an opponent’s monster: You can target 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; it loses 800 ATK.
(3) Your opponent cannot attack other “Amazoness” monsters.
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>>176113607
It's shit.
Is there any way to abuse Princess and baby tiger to make some kind of Xyz spam deck?
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>>176113607
damn it's shit
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>>176101860
I try to open the YGOPro app but it closes immediately, what am I doing wrong?

I haven't played this game in years and I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars to buy a new deck.
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>>176113607
It's kind of good with Call at the very least.
They just need an Amazoness Fusion and it'll probably see play. Otherwise it's utter trash.
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Glad Beast fusions when
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>>176113607
>not buffing this from the anime
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>>176114217
Just use the PC version, anon.
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>played from childhood up through most of the xyz era until i dropped out of college and moved away from my main bro who played with me
>fav deck used to lightsworns, loved the recklessness of it
>start looking into current meta for first time in 4 years after playing the stupid duel links app these past couple of weeks
>see that grass is greener
>start feeling the magic that made me love this game during high school
I'm in a good mood, bros. Gonna start playing for real again.
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>>176114351
Only if said fusion can use materials straight from the deck and doesn't restrict summoning for the turn.
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>>176114570
Bless you, anon
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>He uses more than 1 of the same card
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>>176114903
Yeah this is totally the """""best"""""" format to start playing again.. Welcome to Master Peace.
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>>176115087
A plain old searchable poly would be good enough for a one off to be used. It being better than that would naturally greatly improve the deck.
But you're simply exaggerating if you claim that the cards wouldn't be played with a mere in-theme searchable poly.
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>>176115336

Nope, Zoo will still be the best until links and another ban list hit.

After that it's dinosaurs vs master piss
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>>176115336
>Master Peace
>targets
Yeah, great boss monster.
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Sex with Aisha.
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>>176115336
>>176115376

>he thinks that god's chosen archetype will never not be tier 1
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>>176115703
How would Dinozing work?
Is it just a Dino deck with Dingdong thrown in?
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>>176115797

Yeah. People use a few yang-zings and a copy of the negation trap along with a few yang-zing synchros in the extra.
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>>176113607
Why doesn't it have the same "if it dies summon a Tiger" effect as Empress?
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>>176114351
>>176115087
Amazoness Spy should have had an effect to make Fusion summoning easier. Instead, they gave her a crappy effect that only triggers by battle destruction.
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>>176102156
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>>176102156
Don't mind me, just crashing my little shits into that nice boss monster of yours.
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>>176116813
It should've had a generic sent to graveyard floating effect
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>>176103291
>played miracles
>Oh no I lost $40 in value because they banned top, the rest of my deck is still worth 2k though
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>>176103291
Eternal formats also get pretty stale since you're just playing the same matchups for years.
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>>176117297
Is there anything new that facilitates Gustos or are they just as useless as ever?
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>>176118694
As useless as ever.
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>>176102156
i have various pendulum decks with him
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The fusion Liger is out. Impressive how Empress and Liger feel straight out of GX era.
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>>176120494
I kind of expected Liger to be given some kind of targeting protection like that of Scouts. But I suppose not.
Anyhow. For how underwhelming it might be, it should still be able to OTK rather easily with Amazoness Call.
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>>176120494
At least Empress floats no matter how it's removed. Liger really does feel like a GX card. The only thing that indicates it isn't is the fact that it requires Tiger and any Amazoness instead of Tiger and a specofic Amazoness (say Amazoness Lion or something).
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>>176120763
>At least Empress floats no matter how it's removed.
I am really quite stunned that Liger doesn't float.
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This is the most janky deck i've ever played but its fun to go off with it
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How would you be able to say a deck is consistent?
I have two possible good starting hands, each of which has around a 30% chance of happening, which gives me only a 55% chance for a good starting hand, when I factor out the overlap.
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test
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>>176120213
>Various
Nigga, what? You using Odd-Eyes as an engine in multiple pendulum decks then?
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>>176122351
I guess he needs to have over 50% decent starting hands, but that not all. Take Metalfoes and DDD. It's easy for those to get good starting hands, but Metalfoe has better resource management compared to DDD, which while it can keep decent hand advantage, run out of extra deck quickly.

It's more of a deck having a combination of good board and resource management, since you are expecting your field to be broken next turn regardless if you fuck the opponent with it or not
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>>176123127
There are many perfomapals and too much fusion dragons :I
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>>176102156

Boss and sub-Boss, respectively.

I'm so glad almost no one plays Cyber Dragons anymore, it's finally my own unique snowflake deck.
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>>176108001

I don't think he's trolling. I think he's legitimately that fucking retarded to believe Konami is doing a better job with their product than Wizards are with their own.
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>>176125369
What do you think of that build with the Moon and Sun Dragon Synchros?
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>the absolute fucking STATE of the Yugioh meta

it can only get better from here, r-right?
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>>176126512

I'm not familiar with it.

Mind posting the deck list?
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>>176123550
Got a decklist?
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>>176126517
Yeah, True Draco is now the tier 0 being used as an engine or mixed in someway with most of the other decks.

Konami really managed to fuck in a one year span. Both in anime and in card game
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Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon loses to Raging
Odd-Eyes Wing Dragon loses to Crystal Wing
Odd-Eyes Venom dragon loses to Starving Venom

What the fuck was Konami smoking?
>inb4 muh Absolute Dragon non-proper summon
Nigga, that doesn't matter on the link era anymore. The worst part is those hybrids are fucking awesome in design and I can't find a way to play them. Even when I elaborated a whole strategy for Rebellion, I'm OTKing with Raging
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Does anyone here use hard plastic sleeves or is it always just the standard soft sleeves?

Really interested in how best to protect my cards.
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>>176127448
Buy KMCs
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>>176127448
I brougth soft plastic sleeves recently, though I feel it was a bad idea. I damaged one before opening the pack due to my nail, and they feel far less resistant, as if anyone could accidentaly mark them or something and then I get Simon He'd.

Also, I've been using red had plastic sleeves over a year and feel were damaged (though some dirtied). I guess they are better
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>>176127343
The coolest and most usable one is Wing Dragon.
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>>176126517
>linking Reddit
Almost everyone already knew the meta was going to be Zoo and Zoo variants (with some TD here and there). It really isn't surprising since our MACR Zoo is on a whole different level than OCG's.
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>>176127663
Most useable, yes.

Coolest...
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>>176128372
After I tool another look at Odd Eyes Rebellion I started to warm up to Venom, even if I still like Wing the most
I forgot what a clusterfuck rebel iron was
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>>176128372
>flamboyant faggot
>cool
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>>176127813
>tfw everyone said Rat was enough to kill Zoos and my paranoia of that not being enough was right
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>>176128745
Blame Ntss husbando.
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>>176128745
Seeing OCG Zoodiacs cling on with what little they have while in Links format has me really really worried that this deck will never fuck off
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>>176129001
They already have one foot in grave.
Konami just need to print an actual good link and they'll be pushed out of meta just like Pepe carcass.
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>go to locals
>Play 4 matches
>Lose all 8 rounds.
Maybe I should play a different deck.
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>knowing the deck you're playing against is more important than knowing the deck you're playing with
Do you agree, /dng/?
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>>176129941
Tell that to D/D players
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>>176128745
MACR just got released, True Draco will start appearing everywhere once people manage to pull or buy them. Also, Rat to 2 was to kill rat engine, not Zoos as an archetype. Especially since Drancia is a pretty good r4nk tool, they will only ban them here when they stop making money out of it.
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>>176129494
what do you play?
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>>176130381
Some shitty Home-brew Ritual REDMD Turbo with Felgrand stuff.
I'd post a list but I don't want to give people cancer.
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>>176126517
But remember. It's PENDULUMS that are ruining the game. It's clearly them that are at fault here.
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>>176102156
your boss monster.

tfw no good support :'(
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>>176130476
People will always blame a mechanic that summons multiple cards. Doesn't help that Ravine Rulers resolving Return and the 3 Soul Charge.deks of late ZeXal scarred people.
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Is there any way to choose what cards the computer plays against me? Just want to have a computer ygo buddy.
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>>176130691
Get some friends, anon, for fuck's sake.
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>>176129941
no
Its really good to know how the other deck plays but if you can't pilot your deck worth a shit it doesn't matter
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>>176129941
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you
need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
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>>176130742
You think that's easy?!
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>>176131009
>go to locals
>talk to people
it's that easy
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>>176131009
It should be, at least online. Participate the next time some people do tags, ask if they want to duel some more, go from there.
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What's the difference between TCG Zoo and OCG? I'm just getting back at the game
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>>176130691
?
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>>176131440
TCG has rat at 2
OCG has rat at 1

TCG is doing a fusion substitute combo
OCG is using ramram in place of rat
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>>176131440
TCG zoo has norden
OCG zoo has 1 less rat, no drancia, no barrage and runs a fuckton of traps
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>>176131523
What is this?
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>>176131545
>TCG zoo has norden
I really dislike this to be honest. Norden ban when? It's inevitable anyway so might just as well get it done with already.
What really bothers me about is that it more or less takes around 5 minutes longer to execute, and is still weaker than when Rat was at 3.
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>>176132171
Im glad we have norden banned here. TCG lists are really just there to push product
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>>176132342
>here
This thread is for hwaito piggus onri
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>>176126517
>True Dracos and Zoodiac everywhere
>New Master Rule update does jack shit and only hurts casual decks.
>Pendulum got screwed the most despite having no relevance in the meta anymore
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>>176132764
FUK PENDZ!!!
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>>176132764
It's not like they were hard to deal with either. Everyone runs S/T hate at instant speed and everyone runs mass removal.
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>>176134338
And then they just resummon them including the scales you just popped!
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>>176134573
Wow, it's like every other deck in yugioh.
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>>176134692
>Haha, I just resummon my stupid omni-negator(s) from the graveyard you just Kaiju'd/Sphere'd back to my field inherently and with no cost
Said no one ever
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I will miss Yuzu, but damn, her daughter is so 10/10.
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>>176134945
>Pendulums
>From the grave
>Omni-negating pendulums
2/10, there was an attempt
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>>176132764
>only hurts casual decks
It only hurts archetypes that restricts to themselves, all the others can just use links like every other meta deck.

>pendulum
This is the 100th time someone brought this up, and people already explained that pendulum was a born broken mechanic.
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>>176134945
>>176135456
Okay I take back calling the from the grave shit stupid, I messed up there
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>>176135250
Shouldn't spark be the head?
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>>176135456
>being this retarded
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>>176135456
No, you stupid illiterate fucking nigger.
You said
>Wow, it's like every other deck in yugioh.
Implying every other non-Pendulum deck could just shit out all of their shit you killed back to their field like Pendulums can, and I said in my post that they can't, because they just fucking can't.
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>>176135246
How is Appli Monsters shaping up diginon?
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>>176135774
Its getting good so far, Offmon got an ultimate evolution.
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>>176135616
Something about Pendulums inherently floating are more absurd design than the power creep of other mechanics.

Seriously Pends were doomed to worse than Synchro bullying because the moment the mechanic has a tier 0 deck at least once it was gonna be mistreated. Blame the Pojo/Reddit flavored paranoia way back when deciding if Pends should live or not.
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>>176134573
>not going for the OTK
is like you want to lose
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>>176136725
What if he went first?
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>>176126926
the others are actually a mess
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>>176130686
Rulers was strong as fuck but there were ways to deal with them that mostly involved knowing card interactions.

I don't mind it so much when there's meta shit that is a cut or so above the rest.But I really don't get this. They can prolly fix a lot of what they broke but what was the point of fucking shit up that wasnt op in the first place?

Feel kinda weird just waiting for stuff that lets me play the decks I want to without having to resort to pure sack.
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>>176137357
set twin twisters and disrupt the pendulum summon
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>>176138498
Ah, so you meant the not pendulum player.
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>>176138498
Oh, and
>Use Twin Twister
>They just set more scales and summon the scales they just popped to their field
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>>176138736
Clearly you activate a second TT because its not limited yet :v)
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>>176138736
strike
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>>176138923
TT won't get hit, it is now a permanent power creep.
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What pendulum deck is even good these days?
Metalfoes are ONLY used to pop kozmo-like shit, Zefra is just a meme deck that probably prides itself for searching Maxx C and those YZ counter traps, but everything else like Qlis are fucking dead as fuck, same goes for PePe, Dracopals and even Zarc Magicians.

Seriously, Zarc Magicians are shit, Metalfoes are more of an engine to kickstart shit like Yang Zing and everything else is garbage
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>>176139614
>Zarc Magicians are shit
he doesnt know
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>>176139775
they are pretty shit though
i like them and they are sack or die tier
but then again i'm playing with links
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>>176138736
>>176138605
>impliying they always have the correct pendulum scales
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>>176140284
>implying you always have pendulum disruption
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>>176140662
see? both can brick
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So is pendulums (as a summon method not deck) is broken or not?
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>>176140962
nah
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>>176140962
They are but at the same time they aren't
you go into -2 to setup scales, and the shit has a fuckton of counters, its not even worth it sometimes.
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>>176140962
Yes, but not as in broken good. Just not stable at all, since all it does is guarantee retarded card advantage every single turn. So, if a pendulum deck can manage to control the board, it wins by sheer card advantage, if the opponent can't win fast enough, the result is the same.

What happens is that pendulums doesn't have middle ground, it's an all or nothing mechanic. I hope with the changes, that they won't be so afraid of making consistent good scales and effects.
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>>176140962
As a summon method, it's super "strong" but also super frail.
It'll only be overpowered if it goes balls to the walls with "special everything then go +10" or, if it has a absolute fuck ton of protection on the scales.
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>>176141936
>What happens is that pendulums doesn't have middle ground, it's an all or nothing mechanic
This.
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>>176141886
>you go into -2 to setup scales
My favorite meme.
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How are people building Subterrors and SPYRALs now?
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>>176132653
This thread is for people who play Yugioh. Im sorry your TCG section just happens to be one of the modt terribly managed games to exist and that you guys still eat that garbage up and defend it.
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>>176118694
Pilica was a great addition. Windwitches help as well, indestructible Sphreez is a laugh and a half.
But thats kind of it, maybe the Symphonic or Metalfoes cards too if you run those.
The deck also has been indirectly hit with Teleport being limited a while back.
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>>176140662
>Implying I don't have Tornado Dragon
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>>176146957
Metalfoes with Gusto is not a "maybe".
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New hero support, when?
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>>176147340
>implying you have
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>>176147372
Good to know.
I'll never try it now and will bully that one anon that has mentioned it in the past.
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>>176147483
it'll be main deck mask
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>>176147609
Ugly loli.
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>>176147648
>>176113607
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>>176147609
Gamma ;)
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What's the unofficial term for send from hand to grave, again?

I know dump, bounce, spin, pop, but can't remember that one.
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>>176148749
mill
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>>176148749
Pitch
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>>176148878
No, anon.

>>176148909
That's the one.
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>>176148878
thats top of deck to grave
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>>176146294
they put zoo in them
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>>176146294
lowered on dolls, no taro
sekrit teks, see streams
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>>176148469
Nice card, too bad you can't activate it if I activated Cherry.
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>gamma now being used as a handtrap
fucking secret techs, how do they work
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>>176149950
Best part is that it's used to negate handtraps
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>>176149950
>>176150357
>Go against a dude
>They Ash me
>I thrown down Gamma
>He Gamma's my Gamma
>I Ash his Gamma

I WANT OFF THIS PLANET.
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>>176150357
Doesn't Gamma need your field to be empty?
I can't think of any meta-hand traps that work on an empty field outside of using 5head to stop a Lawnmowing.
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>>176151197
GOSR or Ash on a barrage/diagram
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If I fusion summon a monster or synchro summon a monster using pendulum monster(s) do they go to the graveyard or face up to the extra deck?
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>>176151717
If they're on the field, they go to the ED, if they're on the hand, they go to graveyard
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>>176151717
I think both make the pend go to the extra, atleast that's what I remember when Symphonics came out.
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Anyone wanna help me playtest some Ritual Dragon jank?
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>>176152331
>Ritual Dragon jank
we talkin saffira or oldman point and laugh?
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>>176151717
This >>176151782 but remember that if you Xyz summon the detached Xyz materials still go to the graveyard.
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>>176152868
Paladin of Dark Dragon turboing out REDMD jank.
Basically, Pitch Felgrand with the ritual, then go into REDMD, rez Felgrand and then do some other stuff, but I'm not too sure where to go from there with deck building.
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>>176148469
I think you need to read Cherry and Gamma again.
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>>176153102
Clearly it was Thunderbird cl 1 cherries cl 2 and gamma cl3
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>>176152331
I don't see you hosting
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>>176153219
Should I host on EU or US?
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>>176153390
everyone hosts in US but it doesn't matter in the end
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>>176153496
It's up on US.
The usual pass is Vidya right?
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Shapesnatch is outdated, make a deck centered around this bitch
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We needed pendulum nostalgia cards for the retarded side of the fandom to accept pendulums. Worked with Blue Eyes Synchros and Magician Xyz
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>>176155182
>Worked with Blue eyes synchros and magician xyz
>magician xyz
>good
top zozzle
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>>176155182
>We needed pendulum nostalgia cards for the retarded side of the fandom to accept pendulums.
This. I am still pretty surprised we never got any. Especially with all the nostalgia pushing that went on during the Arc-V era.

I fully expected a DMG low scale and a DM high scale.
And Eyes of Blue low and high scales.

Pendulums are like the only card type that didn't receive nostalgia bait.
On that note, I wonder when we'll get DM/BE Links.
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>>176155309
I meant for nostalgiafags to accept them
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>>176155494
You're implying nostalgiafags even play the game, that's funny.
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>>176155473
Well, we got Crystal Beast pendulums and that was it. And the mechanic was nearly killed before they ever dreamed of arriving here in TCG
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>>176153610
GG
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>>176155678
Set rotation into Necrovally, I'll have to keep that trick in mind.
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>>176155473
On the plus side. If we ever get classic nostalgia now, it'll at the very least be post-link pendulums and hopefully balanced to compensate for how the link rules totally shits on pendulums.
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>>176156370
>nostalgia pandering
>ever not shit
Blue Eyes is the sole exception.
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You know whats funny, When Zarc first came out, It was kinda intimidating seeing all his immunities and stuff, but then when you sit and actually think about it. The man gets bodied real fucking easy
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>>176156602
So just imagine pre-link nostalgia pandering pendulums.
How shit wouldn't they be then? At the very least post-link pendulums might still be pet deck viable to an extent.
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>>176156832
Thats mostly because everyone runs Kaijus.

Protect the Castle monsters will never be viable ever again unless they get banned.
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>>176156832
Ignister, UCT, Tiaramisu and Enterblathnir shits on zarc stupidly easy.

And let's not forget Utopia the Lightning is a thing
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>>176156832
We all knew it died to kaiju
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>>176157380
>>176157542

Not even just Kaiju's, Rituals can shit on Zarcs life, certain spell cards can just put the man face-down and then your free to do whatever you wish to him.

Any monster thats not from the extra deck worth their salt could beat Zarc.
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>>176157341
It will still be shit because they apparently view pendulums as broken and will overcompensate for that despite the nerfs
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>>176157685
Zarc needs to be in the pendulum zone to do shit against other fusion/synchro/xyz things but when he's on the field, he's a sissy that does absolutely nothing.
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>>176157685
No, its mostly Kaiju
EVERY deck now runs them because of how powerful their removal is.

Bad matchups will always exist in this game. But a hard counter bad match up alone doesn't ruin a card/deck(See: Dragon Ruler format with Evilswarms). But when you can be bodied by staples every deck runs, you've got bigger problems.
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>>176157959
You would just need a stun strategy then.
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>>176157952
Zarcs one of the weaker villain boss monsters isnt he. I wonder what would have happened if someone in the anime used book of moon on him.

>>176157959
I know, I'm just saying that its not Just Kaiju's that can get him. Kaiju's shit on almost everything honestly
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>>176156832
>that image
If only fortune ladies were good at something.
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>>176158178
Again, bad matchups are irrelevant when you're hardcountered by a card found in every deck.

Why devise a strategy to counter a specific deck when you can get rid of it with asingle staple?
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>>176158270
dam sex cults
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>>176158408
What I'm saying is they should abanddon the strategy since it gets hard countered by so many cards.
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>>176158643
"So many cards" is irrelevant if nobody is playing the majority of those cards.
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>>176157380
>Protect the Castle monsters will never be viable ever again unless they get banned.
I honestly hate Kaiju for this. They single handedly destroyed an entire play style.

At least Utopia the Lightning can be stopped. Nothing you can do about that Kaiju removal.
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>>176158957
The only way would be to use a monster that cant be tributed as your castle and protect that
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>>176159119
>by a card effect
Dies to Kaiju still.
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>>176159119
>cannot be tributed by a card's effect
Kaijus are summoning conditions not effect.
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>>176159307
>>176159337
How about this one then? Or just using Tokens those normally cant be tributed
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>>176159493
>book of moon
>then kaiju
Now you only have your tokens.
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>>176159493
Or how about you shut the fuck up and make sure your big boss monster FINISHES THE FUCKING GAME.
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>>176159716
I would assume if your doing protect the castle you would make the monster that cant be tributed as your boss monster and keep it safe from that kinda stuff

>>176159805
You mean the boss monster that can get Kaiju'd?
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>>176160002
>Your boss monster can't finish games
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Anti-Kaiju that is not Mask of Restrict when?
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out
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>>176160282
Fog King, control a kaiju, mind crush call gameciel, ash the Slumber
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>>176160002
If your boss monster finishes the game on the turn it's summoned, you don't need to worry about it being kaiju'd.
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>>176160586
You know,with the way your post was worded it looked like it would come with that image of the black guy pointing at his head
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>>176161141
what
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>>176161236
febuary's meme of the month
yes things have gotten that bad
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http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/2182798#search=Star_Grail
http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/2182799#search=Star_Grail
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>>176158234
you mean book of eclipse
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>>176161597
christ that site has gone to shit
apply yourself and use source
https://nijie.info/view.php?id=213218

artist too for even more ease
https://nijie.info/members.php?id=23090
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>>176161597
>>176162479
oh and would ya look at that, a pixiv too
https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1605947
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>>176161597
>For legal reasons, we need to point out that:
B) cookies may be used
No
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>>176161597
>uploader don't tag artist

>>176162479
>need to sign up to see
You can't do this to me
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>>176162479
>requires login
At least rule34 wasn't born shit.
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>>176161597
Chosen is one lucky boy.
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>>176163128
>>176163509
https://twitter.com/test_to_/status/860547015033225217
learn to look around, these aren't even that good

>>176163817
they like memes more
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so how is BLS decks?
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>>176164105
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>>176164021
I already saw the image, not thanks to that shitty site.
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>>176164021
I'm not saying that because I didn't saw the image, I said that because you complained about rule34, but linked an even worse site.
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>Wind Witches (rin's deck) can use Crystal Wing (yugo's boss monster) and even the stuff yugo used
>Lyrical Luscinias (Ruri's deck) can have oni-chan lend them last strix which results in Ultimate Falcon/Final Fortress/Spider
>Lunalights (serena's deck) can shit out Starve venom fusion dragon and predaplant dragostapelia with the greatest of ease and even use the predaplant engine, which are yuri's cards.
But then how the fuck do Melodious and Performapals or fucking anything between Yuya and Yuzu synergize beyond special summoning Aria, which is something melodious already do by themselves.
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>>176164436
mainly due to r34 being ass and pissing me off
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>>176164021
>priestess brain controlled and dpd by two laughmakers
>chosen in despair as the desperately tries to rush towards priestess
>beckoned just does his utmost to restrain chosen, knowing that they would just be decimated if they tried to resist

>all while smile world is blasting at 3x intensity
>forcing both chosen and beckoned into smiles as the tears flow endlessly from chosen's eyes
>priestess has an absolute blissful and smiling face on her face as she experiences the euphoria of her lifetime
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>>176164286
whats the problem with them? just curious
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>>176164549
>chosen trying to save priestess instead of beckoned because imouto

Shit's like Shun screaming ruri a lot of times
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>>176164816
He just realizes that it's suicide since he's smarter.
Both of them are motivated.
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>>176164485
performapals barely works by themselves. They just do a bunch of different shit with no objective, since most of them are extremely situational cards that he used one time in the anime.
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>>176164549
>this is what leads to the new dt clans being created
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>>176102156
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>>176165193
>Send all other face-up monsters on the field to the graveyard
This doesn't target or destroys, another Zarc killer.
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>>176157380
>>176158957
And Big Invincible Boss Monsters are the current cancer killing the game.
Fuck off, Timmy, Kaijus and ZA LIGHTNING are the chemo.
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>>176165449
>still on about this
bruh
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>>176165513
>tfw the arms race will end with a big invincible boss monster with "Monsters cannot be Tributed" as an effect
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Kaiju's are necessary to the game in its current state.
The problem is slumber
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>>176166859
already hit to 2 so give some time, see "c"
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>>176102156
Can your ace be your boss?
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>>176166952
Not fast enough
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Post your IRL deck.
You have one, don't you?
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>>176167056
I have four, but I have them logged in devpro. I'll post in a minute or so.
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>>176167056
I'm in a transition between decks, but I'm working on Spiral Paleo. Just waiting for Heat Waves and Demise, have proxies for them rn.

Post opening hands of said decks.
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>>176167379
>Post opening hands of said decks.
Not bad on my end.
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>>176164485
Yuzu is anoher cuck.
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>>176167056
1/4
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>>176167056
Still working on a new build
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>>176167056
2/4
>100 seconds
why?
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>>176167056
3/4
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>>176167056
4/4
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>>176169286
I'm playing a build of this too. Waiting for the jewed out structure deck that turned into a pack.
I'll be holding onto this petdeck and try to keep it viable come Links like I did with heroes before the masked hero structure.
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>>176169286
>3 alliance
Nigga, how?
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Has anyone had this happen before? This PeroPero is noticeably darker than his brothers.
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>>176171313
Euro print
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>>176171197
Group at my local bought a whole case together. Picked them up off them.
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>>176171313
Blame yuros. One of my burial goods is a lot bluer and a lot curvier than the other two
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>>176167056
playing this piece of shit until links probably, might swap the artifact engine for kaiju engine depending on what sort of stuff i see at my locals, too poor for ash and dracos are boring as fuck
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zoo will be in every deck that tops the ycs next week and there's nothing you can do about it
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>>176174467
Good, kill the wabbit
I mean rat
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>>176174467
You mean Master Peace.
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>3 searchable cards combo

BROKEN
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>>176175576

>he thinks all of the true draco builds won't have zoo in them
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>>176175716
Show me the links version, giantessfag
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>>176167056
Its absolute ass but I love it cause no one ever expects the shit thats in it. They see mobius and thing im running monarchs then suddenly fissure
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>>176176035
I think pure is also incredibly powerful and will get tops as well.
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>>176164021
>>176164549
E G A O I N T E N S I F I E S
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>tfw you get a great match against a meta deck deemed cancerous using your favorite deck and have fun irregardless of the cancer beause both players were MANLY enough to not scoop and keep going in the game, use all their combos and resources.
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>>176179858
>i play non-meta but somewhat competitive decks
>friends can only play schoolyard jank
>neither of us have fun when we play with each other
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>>176180523
>tfw you don't play with your friends on pro because you like stun shit and don't wanna piss people off
Randoms will have to bear all my sorrow
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>>176180763
>tfw i'm too much of a baby to fight randoms and /dng/
The AI and my friends who are awful at the game will have to do.
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>>176180523
Naw mate, my situation definitely feels like i got blessed by ygo4realmen, because i topdecked the sphere mode in the moment i needed the most and everytime i use the sphere, it ends in scooping, but my opponent kept playing and i fucking respect this, specially when the game because its when we get into grinding.
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>>176181117
when the game keeps going*
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>>176180523
>tfw I play the same types of decks
>had a cirlce of 6 guys including me that would play casually
>2 guys refused to imtpove, because anything playable to them is "meta"
>they called my dark magician deck "meta"
>they eventually quit
>bro that plays kingu.dek leaves for the military
>deskbot friend goes off to college
>maldolche man loses interest because everyone else is gone now and quits too
I feel so fucking alone. Got one guy at work that said he'll try to learn when he gets out of college for the summer.
he wants to play kaiju
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What's the most fun deck in the game right now, and why is it Subterrors?
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>tfw building a deck and can't seem to trim it down to 40
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>>176182258
Because you need to post your deck list so I can figure out how to play it
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Is Shinobird any good?
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>>176182258
I demand more Fiendess art to match my Angel of Mischief art
Until then I'll just keep looking for neato mill fuel for Phero
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>>176182407
I have the problem of not being able to fill 40 cards irl.
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>>176180523
>tfw recently got into contact with two people who are getting back in the game
>Both of them are outdate are running old as fuck decks on ygopro
>Even my most casual decks are too combo heavy and use the extra deck to out their locks
>Even when I play poorly on purpose and don't take full advantage of my resources I easily win
>They think I'm a good player despite being meh at best
I feel like a bully. I want to teach them how to git gud but without seeming like a dick
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>>176175716
What is the field spell you in addition to the spyral one?
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>>176182820
no, complete blunder
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>>176182981
Buy them dinosmashing memes, with a dollka and a laggia each.
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>>176183025
probably Magical Mid-Breaker Field
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>>176182820
its 50/50, you can sack out people with the deck but the best plays i've seen on that thing are 4-card combos
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How do i synchro s ummon in stargrails so i have more disruption/negation than firwall and decode?
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>>176183025
Gateway to chaos
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>>176184327
quasarguide.jpg
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I remember ages ago people here were making pure True King decks, and they were using this card for a free VFD
But I cannot remember how they summoned it?
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>>176185225
>Trishula Genex
>Trishula gets rekt cuz genex sux at OTK'ing
>Summon cloudcastle, rez trish
>Overlay for V.F.D.
>;))))))))))
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>>176185225
Planet Pathfinder + Instant Fusion > Theseus
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>>176185650
Funny, but Theseus wasn't a thing back then
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>>176185225
Mare
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>>176185225
Denlong and a level 4
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>>176185225
Shitty, 3000 step combos involving Mare Mare and shit.
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How long til we get leaks for the collection pack this week? Thursday? Vrains is airing this week so the /a.fags can finally go home for the next 3 years. /dng/, let's have a goodbye party for them
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>>176186052
Yes I can't wait for this place to become super dead after the animefags leave
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>>176185225
Litho1 destroy Litho2 + Mare
Litho2 revive Mare
Mare make 3 tokens, make Denglong
Denglong mill Peace become 8
Cloudcastle revive Litho2

Litho1 + Cloudcastle + Litho2 for Heart-eartH Dragon
Diagram on Heart-eartH
Heart-eartH revive and attack for 40,000
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>>176186378
but we are already super dead
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>>176185872
>>176185938
I've tried Mare and it sucks ass
If it could be summoned by Bahrastos than it'd be worthwhile, but having to destroy it first somehow and then revive it by destroying Litho is just too much work for a crappy Level 7/6 Synchro play
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>>176186419
Kek, you could make the exact same play by destroying two Lithos and Baharastos
Also I'm making pure Kangs, no Dracos here
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Why did Zarc have to be released on Arc-V's last pack?
Why did the Supreme Servants have to be released in COTD?
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>>176186829
Arc V was a mistake
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>>176186829
I still find it funny they printed this card dedicated to summoning all 4 Supreme Dragons at once in the same pack new rules make it near impossible.
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>>176186895
Zexal and Vrains will be good, GX,5Ds and Arc-V continue to be trash filled with trash cards that help nobody. Life is good. xyz and links four life. I hope all synchro and pendulum players kill themselves
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>>176186998
>those copypasted poses of the dimension dragons
rofl that's fucking lazy as shit, they could've just put zarc roaring alone
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>>176187085
I like how you don't mention fusion players. I guess "we" are that irrelevant.
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>>176186998
If they had released this outside of the new rules, would anybody have even used it?
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The Yu-Gi-Oh! Asia Championship 2017 Thailand Summer Qualifier was held on 4 – 7 May 2017.

Many thanks to Satanantana Rungnoppakunsi and Sompong Phosai for the results and deck lists.

1st Zoodiac

2nd Windwitch Spellbook True Draco

3 – 4th
True King Dinosaur
Windwitch Spellbook True Draco

5 – 8th
D/D Dinosaur Yang Zing
True Draco Zoodiac
Windwitch Spellbook True Draco
Demise True Draco

>1st Zoodiac
>1st Zoodiac
>1st Zoodiac
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>>176187085
Shitposting aside Zexal is the best series, and Vrains looks genuinely promising.
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>>176160282
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_Drain
Also stops true kings, true dracos, and hand traps.
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>>176187186
You are, GX barely had fusions in it and fusion isn't even a powerful nor was it ever a powerful summoning method, it's on par with ritual in uselessness. I'm just glad synchro and pendulum are dead. the game will finally be faster now with those plays gone as links and xyz monsters come out immediately compared to all the self jacking off you have to do for a decent pendulum or synchro board.
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>>176187307
Broadbull's death or genocide the full retard backrow.

The former seems pretty likely
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>>176187350
Hahaha, the only decent Xyz board is made with Zoodiacs, and that requires far more jerking off than Synchros or Pendulums.
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>>176187438
If they hit Strike or D.Barrier, they'll just opt for different stunshit. Compulsory or Torrential or the array of Trap Holes are still at 3.
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>>176187307
>1st Zoodiac
Ok, Drancia is banned so that means Zoos don't have their own ways to disrupt shit and have to rely on god damn floodgates to remain "strong", Barrage is banned too and the rat is at one. And let's not forget, IKS is at 1. HOW THE FUCK ARE ZOODIACS STILL ALIVE

Not even Dante pulls this bullshit of staying in the meta after getting the biggest shit by the banlist and get powercreeped.
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>>176187350

> the game will finally be faster

So you want games to last 3 turns instead of 4?
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>>176187438
>>176187601
>>176187625

this amount of stun is disgusting
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>>176187753
>3 ghost ash
>3 ghost ogre
>3 maxx C
>MISTAKE
>unironically running cuckle
>no IKS for the gameciels

Yeah no, the deck is 70% floodgates and stun, that shit should be the thing that must be hit by a banlist and not zoodiacs because by themselves after the banlist hits, they can't do shit but prep the bull for shit they do.
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>>176187753
>/dng/ stocked up on Storming Mirror Force since Quaking would be 'useless' against Links
>People are still using Quaking because Links are irrelevant as shit
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT ONCE AGAIN
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>>176187932
Links are just getting started, I give them by the end of the year to start power gapping the xyz powerhouse, synchro and pendulums were the only things to be punished by these new rules.
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>>176187753

>9 handtraps
>13 stun/floodgates
>over half of the deck is nothing but stun and hand traps
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>>176187307
>D/D Dinosaur Yang Zing
Unless by D/D they mean Lamia, Kepler, and Gate, then I have a few questions here
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>>176187926
>>176188178
That's all they ever needed; Zoos weren't good because of Drident or Rat. All they needed to do was shit out some kind of field presence, which is easy because they're fucking 1-card Xyz, and sit on 4 or more bits of stun.
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>>176187085
>Zexal
>good
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After a long time of not playing, I want to try to get back into things. Are there any decent machine archetypes at the moment?
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>>176188468
You're goddamn right it is
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>>176188501
Cyber Dragons are OTK central, same for Ancient Gears although that's all i can think of them, nothing special unless you love them nuke machines.

ABC's were meta if that counts.
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>>176188563
Zexal isn't the worse anime because ArcV managed to be even worse.
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>>176188501
ABC's are breddy gud, Dinomists are fun, Cyber Dragons are cute, Ancient Gears are cheap, Kozmos are hilarious; but there's a new type coming out soon called 'Cyberse', which is just Machines with a coat of paint.
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CaCshit incoming.

>complete rework of the Archfiend archetype with retrains of all original chess archfiends
>they now all move to adjacent zones
>if they move into another monster's zone that monster is sent to the graveyard and different effects happen as a result
>you can move them onto your opponent's side of the field if there is a monster across from them too, in which case they are under your opponent's control but return to your hand in the end phase

Now tell me all about how this would be cancer.
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>>176188658
You're goddamn right it did
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>>176188783
What about a deck where the whole maindeck is monsters that resembles Checkers pieces, and you use those to Link summon the different Chess pieces, like Link 1 for a Pawn, and Link 5 for a Queen. Because the art of moving around the board is perfect for Links.
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>>176187348
Kaijus are inherent. They don't active an effect when you summon them from your hand. Like come-on, that's like saying you can Strike BLS while he's still in your opponent's hand.
>>176187926
>running Slumber without a different Kaiju
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>>176187753
Are we back in HAT era yugioh again? Jesus Christ.

>>176187926
What's sad is that with that level of floodgates and stun, any deck can compete. Even GladBeast
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>>176188979
what i mean is that the zoodiac engine doesn't run kaiju engine, which is slumber + gameciel + jizukiru/thunder king
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I don't want to build Dracos anymore...
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>>176188783
The problem with this idea is that Konami added a space in between the fields and connected them with the EMZs. Would have been cute but it won't work unless the invader monsters are Links.
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>>176189330
Well, yes, but that's why I said across from rather than connected to. Even if only their ED monsters could invade it'd still be some fun though.

>>176188920
Links incoming is why I thought the idea would be neat. Especially if their link monsters could also move.
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>>176189075
It doesn't seem very safe since he's running Desires. Why wouldn't you forgo the 1 "Dark" hole for 2 easy to run over turtles?
>>176188986
Not really since 1 card plays are Zoo's greatest trait
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>>176188986

>What's sad is that with that level of floodgates and stun, any deck can compete.

No, you need to be able to play with few actual cards if you want to just stun, otherwise you'll just be dealing with a hand of nothing but stun that you can't do shit with other than stall.
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>tfw we are never going to get an MMORPG that is based around a TCG where you roam around the world, find or collect cards, and duel other people, similar to how Duelist Kingdom or Battle City played

Is Dueling Network going to be the best we'll ever get even though it takes a lot of the fun of T out of TCG?
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>>176190989
>similar to how DK or battle city player
that sounds stupid as shit
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>>176190989

It'd be awful. The game would be based entirely on getting lucky enough to get the biggest vanilla beaters.
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>>176191224
>>176191351
Free Realms was relatively successful, if not for the shitty decisions Sony made that predictably killed it.

It had traditional MMO mechanics and a TCG, where TCG loot would be an item in the MMO side and vice versa. Like to get a certain card you'd have to complete a certain quest.
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>>176190426
>Not really since 1 card plays are Zoo's greatest trait
With Drancia banned, their greatest trait is laughably weak though.
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>>176191708

that's a completely different game though.
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>>176191738
Then why are they still topping? Drancia ain't shit.
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>>176191850
>One TCG made an MMO around itself
>Our TCG can't do it

Like why couldn't you run around, do shit, build decks, have ACTUAL scarcity in a TCG that isn't solved by being an IRL rich white dude and buying whatever card you want, or in the case of DN just building optimal, precisely tuned decks?

Like what if there were only 4 blue eye'd white dragons? WHAT IF
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>>176191941
>with that level of floodgates and stun, any deck can compete
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>>176191961
Are you implying that there won't be RMT or whatever that shit is called in MMOTCG?
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>>176192185
Literal one card Xyz is inherently pretty dumb.

No one would play fifth rate decks even with degenerate amounts of backrow if Zoodicks didn't generate cheap advantage
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>>176192331
>if Zoodicks didn't generate cheap advantage
What advantage?
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>>176192443
Bullhorn stacking
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>>176192498
Are you implying that neo Zood can put 2 level 4 on field?
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>>176191961
What if you shut the fuck up, an MMO instantly becomes grind 4 win / pay 2 win and fuck doing both when i can already buy myself a fucking deck IN REAL LIFE, play with it with friends, YES i have those or go to percy and stomp some nerds at checkmate, which is easy as fuck.

Meanwhile in a MMO, i have to play for like a fuckton of time just to replicate my deck or burn some cash because EVERY SINGLE MMO HAS SHOPS WHERE YOU USE YOUR $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ TO BUY SHIT and i don't mean virtual money, i mean actual fucking dosh cash dinero shekels only to play in the same stupid way i keep playing on ygopro to the point where i'd say "wow this is a fucking waste of time". Did duel links not show everyone the whole "gibe gem huehuehuehue"? Duel links is stupidly grindy and you have a limited cardpool, you have to play with summoned skull beatdown strategy that's BORING AS FUCKING SHIT.

So if you fucking want a MMO or some gay shit that lets you collect cards and something stupid, you can kindly fuck off to /dlg/ and stay there because your idea is stupidly retarded and only enables more jewery as if konami wasn't buttfucking our asses enough.
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>>176191961

the entire game would be solely based around getting cards for whatever the t1 decks would be. it would not be like playing the anime.
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>>176192570
Wow we are definitely going into real bait territory
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>>176192714
What, you're talking about stacking bullhorn, right?
Not just overlay Bullhorn that generates as much advantages as summoning Gadget?
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>>176192912
2 level 4's = bullhorn, bull eff search stack [zoodiac] [do zoodiac thing] stack another bullhorn, get another search. Its the shit i do with Lunalights, use the bull as a sex slave to get a +2 which results in pic related
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>>176192982
But neo, or rather zombie, Zood doesn't do that thing.
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>>176192325
Just because modern design trends towards it doesn't mean it's required.

>>176192664
>literally never played an MMO before

Completely forgot if you don't have literally the highest possible gear score in a game you can't do any of the content period. WHOOPS my bad!

>>176192687
Sure that's the end goal, but what do you do in the mean time? If we are talking TCG and brackets and MMR and stats it's not like if you have shit cards you'll be playing against people with top tier maximum decks and 100 hours played or anything. Assuming the game isn't shit and lets anyone match make with anyone.

But even the dumpster fire that was The Division was smart enough to separate the Dark Zone based on levels and gear score.
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>>176193040
What i mean is that bullhorn gives them mad pluses, not that they use Leo Dancer and win games you retard, that's probably how these shits stay meta, they can go plus city with one single card out of the 5 cards they draw, the other 4 cards are probably floodgates.
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>>176193040
All Zoodiacs need is one monster into an Xyz.

>Once per turn, you can also Xyz Summon "Zoodiac Broadbull" by using 1 "Zoodiac" monster you control with a different name as Xyz Material.
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begone
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>>176193054
>being this fucking deluded
>"Just because modern design trends towards it doesn't mean it's required"
>Thinking that konami won't use ((((((((((((modern design trends))))))))))))) like the jews they are

Legit, how old are you?
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>>176193118
>>176193132
So, basically same amount of plus you get from summoning a Gadget?
That's a really cheap advantage. Mad plus. Broken as fuck.
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>>176193054
So you don't want player trading cards with other player in the mmotcg?
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>>176193258
Maybe, except gadgets don't have a searchable "handtrap" that overlays into a zoodiac which makes it banish anything that doesn't have armades at any time, and even if its on the field.
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>>176193054

> but what do you do in the mean time?

you grind for whatever the t1 decks would be
it would be not be like playing the anime

the entire game would be grinding for t1 cards with a vanilla beatdown deck
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>>176193341
>after damage calculation
>implying people attack your Zood Xyz
As I said, aughably weak.
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>>176193415
>inb4 everyone grins Rex Raptor and DINO DNA to get a Dinosaur King deck then cheese out the entire game.
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>>176192664
>complains about p2w
>buys irl decks, which is literally p2w
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>>176193548
>Dinosaur King deck
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>>176191961
Yeah evil whitey buying cards. How dare they! Kill yourself nigger
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>>176167056
>mirror force
>not drowning mirror force
>2 dark hole but no raigeki
>d fissure but no macro cosmos
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>>176193627
>buy a petdeck that gets stopped by a card everyone uses
>pay to win

What i mean is that i don't have to pay TWICE to have the same shit. Nice way to miss the fucking point
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>>176193823
Don't forget you also own your physical deck. Unlike in a p2w MMO where your money will be gone when the servers shut down or you get banned for calling someone a faggot once.
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>>176193983
This too, i have my deck in MY possession, i get to fucking witness how shiny the foil cards look and touch them with my own hands being secure that the cards are actually MINE and no one else's cards and even have wet dreams of my cardu(s). An MMO would be like "yeah i got this shit in yugionline", show a screenshot and end it there instead of showing my collection of cards to a friend.
To end this, i should've known better and not take the bait because this whole fantasy about a yugioh mmo where you roam battle city or some gay shit like that started by a dueling network nostalgiafag
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>>176193192
>I think they will do it
>Therefore it's mandatory they would
>Also I'm speaking strictly about Konami and not any other company doing it

>>176193336
Depends ultimately on it, right? We allow some MMO's to have full trading of all items, some that some extremely rare ones are NO TRADE items, and certain items that once you acquire and use it, you can't trade it anymore - or you are only able to have a limited amount of them on your person (if you have one, you can't farm another one)

I think it would still be far more interesting than the P2W realities of IRL trading card games. If you had Grind to Win mechanics, it's atleast a bit more fair because you can still

>1) group players based on MMR results, ensuring they aren't relatively getting fucked by players who maximum grinded
>2) As you keep playing, you acquire better and better cards. Imagine doing a "Duelist Kingdom" style event that grants different rewards based on what position in the event you placed in, but you still get maybe even a booster for all your time and effort at the bottom of the bracket.

I think there is a really interesting way to make the MMO happen, even if you don't have a traditional MMO top layer over it... I imagine having that top layer would help, however.
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>>176194668
>Imagine doing a "Duelist Kingdom" style event that grants different rewards based on what position in the event you placed in, but you still get maybe even a booster for all your time and effort at the bottom of the bracket.
>for all your time and effort at the bottom of the bracket
>time and effort at the botoom of the bracket
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>>176194847
>time is somehow not money

Top tier economist here
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>>176194668
So now the ACTUAL scarcity can be solved by being an IRL rich white dude that have a lot of free time to buy and/or grind whatever card you want?
Doesn't seems like a step forward I say.
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Zoodiacs have ruined this fucking game, every turn takes 30 goddamn minutes. It's seriously annoying. And literally EVERYONE runs it.
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>>176195226
Blame Ntss husbando.
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>>176195180
What'd whitey do to you?
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>>176195254
Ruining TCG?
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>>176195226
Get a clock, and stare at it while your opponent does all of his plays, and see if those 30 minutes are actually 30 minutes you sissy.
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>>176195180
IRL Rich White Dudes already have the advantage tho in TCG's or P2W online games???

And unlike in Duel Network where everyone can run OPTIMAL decks, you are going to get varying levels of deck viability at varying levels of player interaction.

Think of it like any video game you've ever played, when you just start out all options are equally viable for fun, and as you then progress through the ranks everyone starts trending towards one gun or one strategy. DN just skips this and lets you build ripped from tournament decks at 0 cost or effort. This is both a good thing, in that we get to experience top level play for no effort (similar to if we just printed out cards and played with them), but bad in which we have no real sense of attachment or ownership to those cards. I lose nothing destroying a deck and building a new one.
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>>176195338
It's hyperbole dickhead. The turns take much longer than most other decks. Gives me flashbacks to wind-ups.
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>>176195338
Just by bringing a clock and then staring at it in front of your opponent while he does his play can actually make his play faster.
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>>176195332
Show me on the doll where the evil white man touched you.maybe if you shit skins stopped stealing cards all the time they would be more affordable for everyone
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>>176195381
So basically the exact same thing with the actual tcg?
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What do you guys think of links anyway? Seems like it cripples zoo decks with the extra monster zone but I'm sure there's a way around it.
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>>176195397
>The turns take much longer than most other decks
>Forgetting about all those masturbatory decks of the past 2 years already
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>>176195381
so you're simulating real life. for a children's card game. congrats, you have officially reached rock bottom.
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Just got back into the game lately, went to a card shop for the first time and holy shit are all the people there awkward as shit and the place stinks like BO. I think I'll be sticking with online buying and playing with my friends.
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>>176195504
There is nothing stopping me from building a top tier deck in DN.

In RL, if I have the money, there is nothing stopping me from building a top tier deck.

If the MMO has no P2W mechanics, then the only way to get good is to actually play - aside from violating the TOS and doing RMT, which some games control for by locking content behind content gates, or by forcing you to engage with the content to get it (ie NO TRADE items)

You could also go full retard and make a server only have 4 blue eyes white dragon, that will then repopulate back into the "economy" if a player loses them, is AFK for too long, etc etc. - interesting mechanics you can't do with normal TCG's IRL or in DN.
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>>176195560
i have hardly played in the last 2 years, but after xyz came out it seems theres one of these long ass turn decks in each cycle and its usually always the best deck so you cant avoid it.
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>>176195518
>it cripples zoo decks
>got an infernity-tier hit by the banlist in the OCG
>40% of the meta is zoodiac
>they just won a fucking tourney first fucking place
>it cripples zoo

Yeah, its retard hour at the moment
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>>176195641
>Lose your blue eyes for being afk
That's the most retarded idea I've ever heard.
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>>176195641
so people who played longer are way ahead of me? because it takes a week to max out everything in an MMO, then you just wait for the new patch so you can catch up with gear.
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What cards do you guys want in Pendulum Evolution?
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>>176195445
Just let me show you the diagram instead.
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>>176195675
Didn't mean AFK, meant if you don't log in for a time.

>>176195691
Have you ever played a non-casual MMO? I understand if you only have played, like, Destiny or The Division or something... But EQ, Runescape, FFXI... They used to take a year of constant, consistent play to hit end game.
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>>176195646
i havent been paying attention to japanese tournaments buddy, no reason to be rude
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>>176195731
A card that saves the deck post links.
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>>176195742
ive played FFXIV, and it didnt take too long. RS I agree takes fucking forever, and that's why its shit.
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>>176195641
Just let me buy a slave to play my account.
Now there's nothing stopping me from building a top tier deck with the sole power of my money because I'm a rich white dude IRL.
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>>176167379
Post deck
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>>176195738
>Oh man I can't afford to buy a good rare card that just came out
>Must be the white man's doing
Kill yourself nignog.
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>>176195807
FFXIV is hyper casualized garbage. If you had an average party in 11, you'd spend a 5-8 hour night gaining a single level at level 30.

And this is assuming you didn't have one of the 90 DPS classes and not the single healer class, so your LFG wait times would vary from "I can't get a party" to "People ask me when I'm not even queued for a search."

But point is back in the day MMO's were brutal. FFXI relics also took an entire Linkshell a year of maxed out raiding to acquire just 1-2 of them.
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>>176195876
Best Spiral build I've tried, and I've tried a lot.
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>>176195887
KoA isn't white?
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>>176195861
Buying accounts and playing others accounts are against the TOS but sure lets abandon the entire concept, and go back to just allowing the rich white people to buy all the best cards directly from us for cash instead :^)
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>>176195905
back in the day? WoW is GW/XIV-tier and its not very new.

anyway, taking forever to be competitive is boring and shitty.
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>>176195954
what about rich black people or rich mexicans? they arent culprits of this artificial scarcity? youre a fucking idiot
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>>176195948
You're right but the nigger has been crying about whitey making things cost too much. Now he wants to create a shitty MMO, because he's too poor to play a collectable card game.
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>>176195993
Yeah but the point brought up earlier is you are still competitive in match making. If you were PvPing in WoW it's not like you weren't having good fights against other level 40's, even though neither of you weren't level 60. I went into the Dark Zone in Division nowhere near the level cap and it was a good time. No one is suggesting you put a 1 hour noob against a 500 hour top tier meme master
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>>176195954
Yeah man things being against the TOS in an MMO stops them from doing that. Oh wait it never fucking does.
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>>176195925
Thanksies. I picked up Demises IRL before they spiked since I wanted to try Barriers at a regional but they've been sitting in my binder ever since so it's about time I did something with them.
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>>176196075
So, smogon for ygo then?
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>>176196190
I wish I had some that cheap, I didn't get them until they were $20s.
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>>176196075
yeah but i wanna play the best decks, not a bunch of shit decks, especially since any half decent old cards are fucking banned now. youre telling me i have to play with trash cards but i cant throw down a magical scientist, cyber stein, witch, old sangan, change of heart? cant even use a fucking heavy storm? why would i play with shitty ass cards and have to deal with the new ban list that cripples shitty decks?
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>>176196135
>le laws don't stop criminals therefore we shouldn't have laws may may
top meme friend I mean it's not like it's difficult to detect people who bot, engage in RMT or see that people regularly sign into the same account from two separate geographical locations that are impossible to reach through the fastest existing forums of travel

But I digress lets just allow people to spend 500 dollars on eBay for a top tier tournament deck instead this truly solves the issue!

>>176196238
I think you underestimate how fun deck discovery is, how building a viable deck out of resources that are available to you is interesting, how TRADING those cards for cards you need would be interesting, etc.

Like ultimately you would be getting far more engagement out of cards that do exist - It's like if you started at level 60 and was like "Why the fuck is all this level 20 armor in the game I don't want to play with this shit" - but at those lower levels that armor, that gear, is all relevant and desired.

All I'm advocating for, literally, is adding the T back into the TCG, and allowing you the ability to play with a wide breath of users at anything other than top tier meme decks. You can't go to your local card shop with anything less than good shit.
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I just want to play spellbook prophecy guys
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>>176196373
play duel links. literally a general for that. problem solved.

does remind me of a game on BYOND if anyone played it that was fully automated 2D top down MMO that had only early cards in it. was sorta cool, but you could make any deck you wanted iirc.
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>>176196373
The problem is you retard, is that MMO companies never enforce banning RMT abusers. You wanna know why? Because people who can afford to pay RMT illegal services are usually faithful customers who stay subbed. The only RMT people MMO companies ban is the actual gold farmers, not the people who pay for gold.

Now you can get around this by having it be a f2p MMO, but then the game itself will be p2w just like all f2p MMOs.

Face it nigger even in your retarded MMO, whitey will just pay to beat you.
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>>176196223
I lucked out a fair bit to be honest. I knew they were going to get more expensive due to OCG Draco shenanigans, but if I hadn't built the Barrier deck I'd never had bought them.
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>>176196554
I just googled it and got a ton of articles about people got who banned for RMT, so, yeah fuck off :^)

>>176196459
I don't know I just feel Duel Links doesn't scratch that itch. If it did, I'd have been on Hearthstone. I hate to say it, but Freerealms was probably as close as we would have got to that, but Sony made it a shitty game crippled by it's "F2P but really you have to pay us" design philosophy
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>>176196718
whats wrong with duel links? cant you duel other faggots? youre literally in battle city which is your dream.
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>>176196781
>multiplayer games are MMO games

LOL!
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>>176196718
You dumb nigger even blizzard and Square Enix two big MMO companies who could afford teams to crack down on RMT admit they don't do it because RMT buyers spend lots of money on the actual game. Sure they put out "ban" reports but all the accounts they ban are just the gold farmers, not the buyers.

Also chances are anyone crying online about being banned for RMT were probably also using hacks or something else that actually led them to be banned.

I've dumped thousands into RMT on MMOs over the years and have never been banned once.
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>>176196840
thats it? thats the only thing thats missing is you arent all walking around and chatting with each other?


okay...
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>>176196840
What, millions of players isn't massive enough for you?
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>>176102156
love these bastards
haven't played much for about 6 months, how are graydles now?
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>>176196892
>Admit

Can you link me an official source for this? :^)

>>176196904
>>176196976
I mean if Call of Duty is an MMO to you, sure, whatever? But usually MMO's have certain intersections between a shared persistent universe, some form of scarcity in one way or another, and an economy that interacts with players. This is why Diablo isn't an MMO either. Not all, but most, of those mechanics would need to be present for it to be considered as such.
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>>176197085
okay, but you have 95% of what you want and just because you cant jerk off with your friends and call people niggers when they dont trade with you (or in your case, privileged white fuckboys), you wont play the game. you sound like an entitled prick.
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>>176197085
You mean, the only way ygo MMO can happens is if you have battle royale between all players with unlimited round?
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>>176197138
Dude, I get it you are too young to have ever played EQ, Runescape or even WoW. I understand you have no idea what the appeal is. Thanks for playing but you can just stop :)

>>176197183
That has literally nothing to do with what I'm talking about?
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>>176197085
You can trade with others, you can battle other players, you can talk to anyone with the chat, it has a million players and you play against npcs. It's a fucking MMO. Just because you can't walk around in some gay hub world doesn't change this fact. So fuck off to the duel links general already.
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>>176197285
K so COD is an MMO. Got it.
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>>176197221
>That has literally nothing to do with what I'm talking about?
That's the only way ygo can go MMO based on your definition of MMO.
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>>176197345
Tell me what is different between duel links and a "real MMO" because the only answer you'll have is that it doesn't have some 3d walking in it.
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>>176197221
I've played both Runescape and WoW. Just because I don't like your shitty idea doesn't mean I'm underaged. Do you really expect everyone to agree with you?
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>>176197345
So your literal ONLY complaint about Duel Links is you can't walk around with players despite having every other feature you want, and that and only that is enough for you to not want to play at all. Are you serious?
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>>176197406
Usually that "walking" around has huge implications in terms of how the economy is handled, how tasks are perceived, how risk / reward is granted, where players congregate in which areas - and yeah there is a certain degree of physicality if you walked past two people having a duel in the streets and being able to see their bullshit going on. This is actually a big reason why Guild Wars was, and still is for many, not seen as an "MMO" because it's heavily instanced and guts a number of the mechanics, and why some people view cross realm matchmaking as bad for the economy. Instances, starting with WoW, were viewed sort of as "counter MMORPG" design.

But ultimately if you have to walk somewhere, and maybe you can or can't do something due to population density in the area, or maybe your options in the game are influenced by the decisions of others in the area, then this starts acting as an MMO. If you had a short route between two towns that had a PvP zone between them, and a longer route that had no PvP but was safe - your decision to take the shorter route would be influenced on your own personal risk of what you are carrying and how important it is you reach the destination, vs an intersection of time vs how likely it is a player will kill you (more likely to get PK'd at 7pm as opposed to 7am)

In many ways most MMO's are actually dying. If you had an MMO that didn't have any sort of economy, and all gear was farmable - even if it was a server with 5000 people walking around at all times it almost like they took a fundamental aspect away from the design. Why even have the people on the server?

I reject the notion that an IRC window and matchmaking would qualify something as an MMO, because whether or not 500 people are playing or 500,000 are playing at once in no way impacts my experience in the game in any way shape or form, other than maybe shorter MM times.
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>>176197729
So MMORPG is the only valid MMO?
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>>176182258
Because you touch your self at night.
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>>176197729
Holy shit it really is because you can't walk around. Even though it has
>Trading
>PvP
>Ranked PvP
>PvE
>Leveling
>Classes since the different characters you play as have different skills
>Grinding
>Special events and seasonal events
>Chatting
>Quests
>Friend/block lists
It's a god damn MMO, but I guess because you don't have a 3d model walking around it isn't.
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/dng/ - MMO Semantics General
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>>176197808
I don't know I think Test Drive Unlimited was pretty close to a true MMO and it was in no way an RPG.

>>176197928
>Diablo 3 is an MMORPG
>Call of Duty is an MMO
>Halo 3 is an MMO

Gotcha (y)
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Link in percy never.
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>>176197928
Even if it isn't (it is) it's so close to what this faggot wants it's insane they won't play it at all. So entitled.
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>>176198019
Who even cares? You have to challenge them to a duel anyway. It's like you saying I want it so in CoD you have to walk up to people before you start a match with them. What difference does it make? The core gameplay is the same. I see WHY you want it but for that to be the be all end all is just ridiculous.
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>>176198019
Based from what I read and see, free roam in Test Drive Unlimited is basically an RPG.
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>>176198179
>Wanting a game in a financially successful genre is ridiculous

Gotcha (y)

>>176198183
Not any more than any other driving game. You still acquire cars and what not - and still somewhat less involved than Forza or Gran Turismo... But you had an economic progression system instead of "You earned this car because you were level 15"

But what it did well was, while you were driving around the world, it populated it with other real players. There was no real difference between playing offline and online - and while it was heavily instanced in high population areas, if two people drove out to a spot they were the only two people at, they'd see each other.
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Are we still arguing about the retarded yugioh mmo idea?

Do you really want to spend hours grinding to build a gemini elf and summoned skull beatdown deck?

Does that sound fun to you?
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>>176198019
>>Diablo 3 is an MMORPG
No it's a very shitty dungeon crawler with multiplayer.
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>>176198439
But duel links is successful. So that obviously has nothing to do with your decision to not play it despite it meeting 99% of your criteria. It's like if you love vanilla ice cream, especially with a cherry on top. And then there's no cherry so you just won't eat it at all. Makes no sense.
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>>176198592
Are we still arguing about the retarded Pokemon TCG sequel idea?

Do you really want to spend hours building a 4 Pikachu or a Fire Type Only deck because the NPC forces you to have it to duel them?

Does that sound fun to you?
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>>176198439
>Not any more than any other driving game
What other driving game?
Most of the driving game other people in my vicinity play doesn't even have free roam.

And the free roam part is still an RPG, all things considered.
RPG doesn't need you to control humanoid character after all.
So the only way a game can be considered MMO is to have some RPG gameplay then?
And not, you know, having A massive playerbase just like the name say?
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>>176198698

That's not a fucking mmo you retard
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>>176198670
Okay, do you understand words? Like how the english language even works? It's almost like your analogy could be explained like how if I don't really like Vanilla ice cream, but would like a cherry on my Chocolate ice cream, you are telling me too bad the cherry is on the Vanilla and it's ONLY on the vanilla and if you want the cherry you have to eat the vanilla ice cream

But I think having the cherry on my chocolate ice cream would be better.

I never at any point suggested the cherry should be exclusively on chocolate ice cream because the vanilla cherry'd one sold so well.

To be completely honest friend, if you are shitposting and are actually not this stupid I would be entirely impressed because it's some masterful shitposting. Through the reply chains I can find numerous posts where you miss the point almost entirely to where I'm starting to think it's on purpose.
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>>176198824
If you're just going to be a douche, then fuck off to somewhere else. We are trying to understand and entertain your idea when none of us are required to give you the time of day and it's not even on topic.

You like 95% of duel links but won't even play it at ALL because you can't walk around. That's basically what it boils down to. Unless you can explain what else it's missing, you're just being a pedantic prick who is insulting everyone who doesn't think your idea is very good.
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>>176198724
I mean TDU would be a better analogy to a pure TCG MMO than, lets say, WoW - simply because you are either amassing wealth or amassing options (cars) that you have to weight at different skill levels.

If we were to examine COD, we wouldn't view it as an RPG even though you unlock guns, and then customize guns to your preference or to optimize them at certain tasks. Unlocking a car and tuning the breaks to where you feel comfortable with them isn't necessarily an RPG.

If you were leveling up your driver and he had independent stats separate from him, and you are equipping cars like equipping armor, I could see a really strong analogy on how it's an RPG.

Burnout Paradise was free roam and was the furthest thing from an RPG you can get to in a driving game, so I would not say free roam makes it a deciding factor.
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>>176199007
>insulting everyone

Says the guy using words like entitled, prick, etc. Every time I bring up how intersecting mechanics define a games genre, you just reply with some name calling or some other shitty meme.

I mean you wouldn't call Dueling Network a trading card game, would you? It has no trading. It's surely a card game, sure, but it took scarcity out of the equation which is a fundamental part of the TCG equation.
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>>176198824
So you just admitted that you just want MMO with RPG element and not actual MMO?
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>>176199118
I haven't been arguing on whether or not it's an MMO so you're talking to the wrong person man. Only thing I've been saying is it doesn't make sense that you won't even play Duel Links despite it having most of what you want. Even if it doesn't have every feature it makes no sense that you won't play it at all.

And yes calling you a prick or entitled is comparable to essentially calling me retarded and saying I don't understand English.
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>>176199020
Is Burnout Paradise an MMO though?
Isn't it just use a glorified lobby system for match making?
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>>176199206
>Says TDU is not an RPG
>Unless you view any sort of progression mechanism as an "RPG" but provides examples as to why that is wrong
>"So you agree TDU is an RPG"

What?

I want an MMO. What ways does the population count on Duel Links influence any decision you make?
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explain to me how a yugioh mmo could work without tedious grinding or everyone just using the same op deck
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>>176199297
Smogon tier but for, let's say, every 10 level.
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>>176199269
Can I ask you at what point I said I haven't played Duel Links?

And no if you don't understand the very basic discussion we are having, I would be fair in assuming your grasp on the language we are communicating in might actually be poor. You are trying to conflate words or terms so far beyond the obvious intent in what we are talking about it's either purposeful shitposting or simply being confused by the words themselves.
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>>176199292
Wrong chain, mate.
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>>176199387
>You are trying to conflate words or terms so far beyond the obvious intent in what we are talking about it's either purposeful shitposting or simply being confused by the words themselves.
Thank you.
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>>176199387
Yes, any sort of misinterpretation or miscommunication absolutely must be my fault, and it can't possibly be due to your word choice.

I assumed that because you said duel links doesn't scratch that itch and then I said probably a half dozen times that it's weird you don't play Duel Links at all and you never once said "actually I do, I'd just prefer x", that you didn't play Duel Links.
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>>176199360

every tier would have it's own best deck that everyone uses.

congratulations you solved nothing
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>>176199631
>no tedious grinding because you just need to grind for your tier
>not everyone use the same deck because each tier have different best deck
Eh, at least it solved your problem set.
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>>176199728

>not everyone use the same deck because each tier have different best deck

But they do use the same deck. Every tier can only play within it's tier, and every tier has it's own one best deck.
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>>176199810
But not everyone is on the same tier.
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>>176199297
>everyone just using the same op deck

The fact you wouldn't be able to build said OP deck immediately. You would have to accumulate the cards - and since you are going to get gameplay at all levels of play, you are likely going to limit players to their level range and/or MMR rankings (players with more shit decks will, obviously, have a lower rank)

So at lower levels you are going to have different decks that are more or less viable then they will be in another 50 hours of play, and so on and so on.

You wouldn't be mad that a level 20 can't duel a level 60 in WoW, and realistically, the same would apply for having to run some shit like a Lord of D deck or a beatdown deck vs some insane Xyz deck or a 6 Samurai or whatever the top deck in the meta is at the time.

And then when you have different cards that might have different ways of acquiring them, this also changes the potential for what decks you want to build.

Like any game, the people who dump the most hours into the game are obviously going to have the best shit - but the balancing act would be to ensure there are options that are still at

But if nothing else, it would still add some purpose to a lot of cards that are absolutely useless nowadays. If you don't have all the optimal cards to build the top tier deck in your ELO, you aren't just going to not play, or run half the cards and throw another half. You will build a deck that works with what you have.

And what if, as you leveled up, you gained access to more and more booster sets? Ie start with White Dragon, at level 10 you unlock Metal Raiders, etc.
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>>176199852
But whatever tier you're playing in, everyone's using the same deck. So every month you see a new best deck, which is just shorter intervals than today with the same basic idea.
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>>176199972
>everyone's using the same deck.

What if you don't have the cards to build that deck?
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>>176200028
Then you'll get your ass kicked by everyone in your tier, no?
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>>176199972
What are you talking about?
The tier is divided by your level, so if you just want to change tier, just level up through it.
And since not everyone is on the same level range for a tier, that means not everyone use the same deck.

You never said anything about encountering opponent with different deck after all.
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>>176199939
What about when you hit max level and new cards come out? Level cap increases?
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>>176199939
The endgame is freaking stale and just filled with everyone using the same deck.
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>>176200128
What me and the other guy are saying is, won't a very large percentage of people in your tier be playing the same deck?
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>>176200028

then you grind until you have the cards to make the best deck

>>176200128

>And since not everyone is on the same level range for a tier, that means not everyone use the same deck.

doesn't fucking matter though, there's still only one deck that everyone uses within a tier. you'll face the same deck over and over again until you level out of tier. then you'll face a different deck over and over again until you get out of that tier. and then so on until you reach level cap and you play the same deck over and over again forever
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>>176200227
Arguably worse than Dueling Network or local tournaments because it would be so competitive every deck would be zoodiac or some variation of that. Though this is the most concentrated on one deck I can remember the meta being for a long time. In the OCG did the release of diagram help true king dinos be more consistently competitive or did it stay as all zoodiac.
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>>176200087
I would say if there is ever a point where there is only one TOP deck that is significantly more powerful than all others, you have a huge balance issue in general with your game.

Like if we went on DN and 99 times out of 100 everyone was running the exact same deck this would be a problem, no?

>>176200147
That is how a lot of games handle it, you could probably also just release new boosters with some new content? There are a few ways to handle it.

>>176200228
Even if this WERE the case, you still do technically have more top decks then not, that have to be played in different ways with different considerations. If it wasn't appealing to race D class cars in Forza, every car in the game would be S class.

Interestingly enough top down balancing changes, like banning Monster Reborn, would impact those lower tiers disproportionately, forcing them to refocus and change. So that would be neat.
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>>176200308
>then you grind until you have the cards to make the best deck

And you do that by building that slightly sub optimal deck and using it, either in PvP or PvE. Sounds like you are playing the game!!!
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>>176200428
Not if the goddamned endstate is everyone using the same thing, the journey to there doesn't fucking matter.
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>>176200413
Sphero modo
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>>176200367
Interesting idea is to see how some tiers would do now when the decks were butchered by ban lists and then new cards were released. Rescue Rabbits wouldn't dominate the sets it used to, old sets not everyone is running cyber stein because it's banned. Wind Ups never come into play seriously without Zenmaity, same with Shaddolls and Construct. DAD isn't the undisputed tier 1 with 3 DADs running at the same time. The decks would be a lot different.
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>>176200228
Yes.
But it still qualifies as "not everyone use the same deck" which solves the original problem.

>>176200308
>doesn't fucking matter though
Oh, it matters.
Because the original problem is "everyone use the same deck" which the smogon tier solves.
Whether it makes a good games is different issue entirely.
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>>176200502
>the journey to there doesn't fucking matter.

Yes it does, otherwise Forza would give you S rank cars at the start, all guns and attachments in COD would be given to you, Vanilla WoW would have started you at level 60, etc etc etc.

I mean you are objectively wrong with almost every single video game in existence as evidence.
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>>176200428
sounds like a shitty version of warframe
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>>176200540
Fuck reading am I right?
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>>176200367
>I would say if there is ever a point where there is only one TOP deck that is significantly more powerful than all others, you have a huge balance issue in general with your game.
Welcome to ygo.
Enjoy your stay.
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>>176200640
I think what would also be interesting as well is the simulation of new cards in sets entering the meta as they did in real life. Like if you went from Blue Eyes into Metal Raiders, not everyone yet would even be running 3x Solemn Judgements since they wouldn't have acquired them, so you'd get a mixmatch of cards from newer decks being co-opted into the top tier old decks, and then the new top tier metas taking over

I think the primary issue is keeping previous tiers also valid, because a huge economic issue would be people flooding previous tier cards onto the market, depreciating them, so all shitters at lower tiers can buy summon skulls for like 20 seconds of play time currency farming
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>>176200848
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>>176200741
Literally the only thing that matters is the endgame, the bullshit they force you through before you hit endgame literally does not matter.
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>>176200741
It's a competitive multiplayer game.
The only things that truly matters in competition is the endgame.
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>>176201084
>>176201224
Every video game, ever, disagrees with you. I can be blind folded and point at a game from a list to explain why you are wrong.

And yes sometimes racing shit cars is one of the best parts of Forza lol

Sounds like you guys just want shortcuts to building the Zodiac decks tbqh
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>>176201346

>Every video game, ever, disagrees with you

every mmo ever says that your game will be nothing but tedious grinding to get the same deck everyone else will be using because you can't win without it
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>>176201346
In a competitive game the only thing that matters are the top tiers, in every MMO the bullshit you had to go before getting to your endgame build does not matter, only the fucking endgame matters, nothing else, everything else in the game is fluff made to waste your time.
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>>176200715

>which the smogon tier solves.

It doesn't. Everyone in a tier will use the same exact deck.
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>>176201426
>Every MMO ever has one defacto healer, tank, and DPS class
>nobody ever plays the others

>>176201474
You are so wrong I don't even think that if I explained it to you, you would change your mind.
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>>176201485
Okay and even if this is the case, having 10 best decks, 1 deck of each of the 10 individual tiers, is still better than having just one best deck, period.

The situation is quite literally better, and the better player overall is going to be playing all 10 of those top tier decks more consistently overall than other people.
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>>176201485
So?
Tier A and Tier B best deck is still different and not everyone is on the same tier.
Thus not everyone use the same deck.
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>>176201609
>ygo have healer deck, tank deck, and dps deck
what?
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>>176201756
If you are saying there is only one good deck and this is the end state of every competitive game or MMO, then in MMO's you would see people only playing one class in each necessary arch type. This doesn't happen.
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>>176201679
Every tier is its own meta where everyone uses the same deck, get that through your thick skull, you haven't solved shit.
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>Claws of Hermos doesn't Fusion Summon
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>>176201869
See the original problem and come back you dumdum.
As long as not everyone is on the same tier the problem is solved.
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>>176201832
But do they use non-level cap player in endgame though?
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>>176201941
It doesn't matter, because a good chunk of people will be stuck in one meta playing against the same deck over and over, what people in the other tiers are playing does not matter to them.
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>>176201869
>10 metas is worse than 1 meta

LOL
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>>176202147
Oh c'mon, stop moving the goalpost.
Everyone is not playing the same deck, that's the problem and smogon tier solved it.

Who cares that you'll only play against the same deck? That's a different problem entirely.
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>>176202147
>You can't play ever play at lower metas

I didn't realize earlier sets cease to exist entirely
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>>176201832

>This doesn't happen.

except that when it's competitive it totally fucking does. people in wow class stack if they're competitive in PvE, and they reroll the fotm in if they're competitive in PvP.
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>>176202271

>Everyone is not playing the same deck

Why the fuck does that matter if you aren't playing with them?

>oh wow someone in a different tier is using a different deck, i guess that makes playing the same deck over and over in my tier more fun
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>still on the subject of MMOs

Lets change that
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>>176202381
Because that's what the original problem is, you dense motherfucker.
Next time be more specific.
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>>176202381
>implying you can't change tier
Do you even read the reply chain?
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>>176202465
You haven't solved shit, all you did was make 10 one deck metas.
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>>176202579
>>176202641
This guy is so fucking out of touch with modern ygo it's amazing.
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>>176202552
>moving the goalpost
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someone post the bingo chart
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What's gonna be relevant after link summon drops? Kozmo and dinos? Monarch?
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>>176202831
the bingo chart
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>>176202881
>Pot of -9
Oh how I miss that meme.
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>>176202920
more or less the same stuff we have now
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>>176203042
>she should be earth as snow is an element and elemental cards should be earth
>despite snow being water
legitimately triggers me more than the -9 shit, how the fuck do they let this guy write for them when he's this retarded
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>>176202881
>(so I assume you aren't supposed to look at them)
Okay that one got me.
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>>176202552
>doesn't want to experience a series of different metas that get progressively more complex as you progress through the tiers
>Wants to just view the top meta deck comp, instantly build that deck, and act like he accomplished something

Not really surprised to see this on this general, when you think about it
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>>176200367
I would say if there is ever a point where there is only one TOP deck that is significantly more powerful than all others, you have a huge balance issue in general with your game.

Are you new to the game?
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>>176202405
>most hated card
>tfw it's been YEARS since it was relevant but you still hate Tenki > Bear pop swing search Tenki
I don't think I'll ever get over it
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>>176202405
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>>176203778
Defending bad design because said design exists or historical isn't good. This is BungieDestiny balancing mentality. Having a revolving door of OP singular metas is not good. Their priority should be to fix this not just add an even more OP meta.
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>>176203971
In other news, sky is blue.
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>>176204120
To be fair it's kind of our fault for playing this game.
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>>176131820
Ygopro, it has ai duels, download it from percy
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>>176202881

>it's a -9
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>>176203971

it's been over a decade and it's still not balanced. I don't see konami balancing the game just for a shitty mmo.
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>>176202405
Can't decide between Buster dragon, Drancia, the fucking frog and Pleiades.
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>>176204748
They wouldn't balance it for an MMO you retard they would balance it because they got usurped due to people not liking shit meta
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>>176205157

It's been over a decade and that hasn't happened yet.
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>>176205274
Explain how this is good
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>>176205304

When did I say it was good?
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>>176205274
>>176204748
>Yugioh having one deck at top level play is bad
>Only if it's an MMO
>Otherwise it's good

You understand we all know you are just arguing for the sake of arguing on the internet?
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>>176205304
Ask konami.
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>>176193823
>pay 2 lose
Wow, you are even more retarded. What if I told you that you could pay to a have a shitty MMO character? This is what you did.
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>>176205375
>Otherwise it's good
?
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>>176205375
see
>>176205373
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>>176205467
The fact you are arguing about it...?
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>>176205497

im saying turning the game into an mmo grindfest is retarded. the actual game is fun despite the flaws.
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>>176205558
You haven't provided an argument for that. You provided an argument for why yugioh sucks, if anything.
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>>176205609

>You haven't provided an argument for that.

Because it'd just be the regular game but with retarded tedious grinding you have to do before you get to play it for real.
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>>176205609
Are you saying mmo made from ygo is not ygo?
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>>176205742
Yeah but

>most players can't build a top level deck until they hit the end game and spend time getting raid level cards
>your end goal is to build that deck
>to do that you have to use the deck you have built with what is available to level up and acquire new cards
>players who build better decks out of the constantly shifting variables they have available to them will win more matches and accumulate more cards faster

What you have is instead of a binary meta, where you either win or you lose if you have the top deck, you have a constantly shifting meta of weighting options and building decks to counter what you perceive to be probably threats you will encounter

Sounds like a lot of fun, really, because you would always be shifting and improving your deck.
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>>176202405
>the anime
at least post this one
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>>176206562
post template then
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>>176206060

>because you would always be shifting and improving your deck.

you wouldn't be, eventually you'd get the best deck. and then it'll just be people who don't have the best deck getting stomped by the people who do.
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>>176206730
How would you be playing the people with the best decks if you aren't in their ELO????
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>>176206806

So would people only fight people who have the exact same cards as them? Because that's really the only way to stop one player from having the advantage just because they have better cards.
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>>176206892
Do you understand how MMR and ELO stuff works????
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>>176185225
speedroid fiendmagnet :L
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>>176207030
So, smogon?
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>>176206060
Always shifting and improving deck my ass.
You'll just stuck with the same deck until you grind enough to get the necessary cards.
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>>176206684
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>>176207242
It's Smogon in the same way socialism is capitalism, sure.

>>176207345
So if you got a better card in a booster you wouldn't put it in your deck, until you got ALL the cards on your list..?
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man lost wind is actually a decent trap card
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>>176206730
>eventually you'd get the best deck
Good luck finding that. There are literal World Tournaments with prize money for the people who manage that. Also, even if hypothetically someone managed to find the best deck, it would soon change with the release of new cards.
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>>176207753
It makes the discard effect of ABC a little less minusy too.
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>>176207484
need Cyberse and Links now
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>>176207821

>There are literal World Tournaments with prize money for the people who manage that. Also, even if hypothetically someone managed to find the best deck, it would soon change with the release of new cards.

What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>176207753
>cannot target true dracos
breakthrough_skill_laughs.png
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I love Tour Guide
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>>176207821
Also, piloting the deck needs to be taken into consideration too. Differently to what /dng/ believes, making the best decision all the time in a match of ygo is not so easy, I have yet to see a player who makes no mistakes.

>>176207942
You were saying that people wouldn't be always changing their decks because eventually everyone would have the best deck. But that's wrong.
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>>176207517
>So if you got a better card in a booster you wouldn't put it in your deck, until you got ALL the cards on your list..?
So you put Ramram in Merlantean?
Pieces is useless until you get enough to build an actual deck.

>It's Smogon in the same way socialism is capitalism, sure.
So you don't know what you're talking about.
Okay.
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>>176208072

>But that's wrong.

But why is that wrong? Most competitive games get solved. Why would this mmo be an exception?
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>>176207821
Just like real life!

Except you need to grind.
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>>176207892
yeah it makes it actually pretty cool i was wondering if there are any more traps or spells that float

>>176207975
just bend over for our new masters
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>all this arguing about mmo yugioh
i just want percy own banlist
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>>176208275
Galaxy Coclone, Breakthrough Skill etc has grave effects but I don't think anything floats like Lost Wind does.
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>>176202405
r8 me, anons
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>>176208090
Smogon has nothing to do with MMR or ELO. The showdown servers used to have ELO as their rating system, but what smogon does is basically stratifying pokemon into tiers based around what the "top players" believes is fair.

>>176208135
>Most competitive games get solved
There is a large difference between solving the metagame and finding the absolute best deck. People claim that the metagame is solved after the release of every single set, but not the absolute best deck, the proof of that are the differences between the top decks.

>>176208162
Except irl you have to p2w, or like another anon, pay 2 lose, since he pays for shitty decks. I will take grind over paying anytime when cards that you have to play a fullset goes for $80 each, especially since that money is basically lost, because almost no card retains its value after it stops being meta.
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>>176200413
spiritualism plus sphere mode
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>>176208761
>favorite traps is Nine Pillars
Shit taste.
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>>176208761
I can't make out what your most hated card is.
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>>176208945
How you managed to see Nine pillars is beyond me. I thought it was one of the mirror forces, since the yang zing looked like some sort of visual effect.
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>>176209106
I've been seeing it everywhere, it's the bane of my existance, I always seem to go 2nd versus Dino/True King Yang Zing, aka Long Dong.dek ft Baxia spam.
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>>176209106
I saw some weird sex position and thought he was making a "trap" joke for like 10 minutes
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When are the leaks?
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>>176209065
It looks like one of the cards with marauding captain.
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>>176208761
>no aki as waifu
surprised, i guess
>>176209065
dimension barrier
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>>176208828
The small differences between decks are tech and personal choices. The game is usually solved quickly and every good player knows what to do.
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>>176209262
>dimension barrier
I went to check the name marauding captain, because all I rememberd was that it was on DBarrier and Rota. I even went to the DBarrier trivia to find his name, but didn't guess it was D Barrier.
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>>176209460
>>176208761
>>176209231
>not making Gagagigo green
Thats why no one knew what the fuck it was
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>>176209349
>small differences
>they use completely different archetypes
They usually just know what decks are good, and which are bad, but not what is the absolute best, because if they knew, all metagames would look like Zoodiac meta.
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>>176209349
>every good player knows what to do
A fucking professional player missed an opponent attacking twice on the same turn. Even though this is an extreme case, you will find stuff like this happening all the time in almost every single competitive game, I still remember a guy who lost with shaddolls at semi because he miscalculated his damage and the opponent survived with a couple hundred LP.
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>>176208761
Despite criticism, its a pretty cool attempt.
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>>176208945
it was either that or one of the mirror forces, which would probably be boring to draw

>>176209262
i don't know, anon
did aki ever do anything?

>>176209562
i actually forgot it was gagagigo but wearing armor
my bad

>>176209868
thanks anon
i just wish i could fill out those 3 blank spots
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>>176203676
Your goal in a CCG is to win, using the best deck lets you win the most so only that deck matters, I don't give a damn about your fluff in a competitive environment.
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>>176102156
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>>176210407
>Your goal in a ... [game] is to win
Then why is it a game instead of a chore?
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>>176210407
>Your goal in a CCG is to win
No, it's to improve yourself.
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>>176212039
No, the goal of a game is to win.
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>>176210269
more than asuka for sure
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>>176210407
The goal of any game is to have fun. Otherwise the ultimate CCG would be a piece of paper written "You win".
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>>176214018
No, the goal of a game is to win, your feelings don't enter into that.
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>>176213334
But you can't win the game.
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>>176214275
No, it's to have fun.
Some game doesn't even have a way to win.
Like the game.
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Dueling is to win, it's not just for fun or to bring smiles or whatever.
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>>176214782
Nah.
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>>176214782
The point of winning is to have fun you dumbass. Winning is secondary to having fun with the game otherwise why are you bothering to play a game you're not having fun with? You can say that you're only having fun when you win but even then winning is just the condition to get the fun you want so that still comes first

dumbass
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>300 posts of MMO semantics
>200 posts of smogon-tier faggotry
update pro already so we can actually DO something percy no stupid excuses
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>>176214782
Fuck off Kaiba
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>>176216505
So, will duel link ever get fun cards like Mustang and that ritual dracoverlord?
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>>176215071
That's what shitters say to feel good.
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>>176151197
Apparantly Fluffals play it now so they can do their toy vendor plays without having their life negated by 5head.
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>STILL fucking going
go to sleep already
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>>176217754
But I just woke up
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>>176217754
But it's 7 AM here.
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Can someone knock me out until Friday so I can see the leaks. I know thanks to link format and Konami being shitters what I want might not even be viable but since Percy is having issues with the Link programming I can at least enjoy them there.
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is bear needed for a fluffed deck or can I just run toy vender
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>>176218572
You need at least 2 bear. OCG has started playing 3 bear.
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>>176218538
as long as you don't repost them
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>>176214782
RADIES
AND
GENTERMEN
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>>176127448
KMC with the clear front and textured back are amazing, but I can't find another set anywhere, all I've seen are the glazed ones. I think they stopped making them :(
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>Trickstars
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I wish a tournament prize was being able to order a playset of a card in any rarity you want. I want Millenium Rare Gravekeeper's.
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>>176219854
>Full ghost Lunalights
Fund it
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>>176219179
HEAAAAAAART
BARNIIIIING
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>>176220792
>>176219854
Knowing KoA, they'ld put a cash limit on the printing and argue that a full ghost reprint of any playset would be too much.
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>>176219698
>Trickstars could use that cac
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>>176220979
It would be just a playset of a single card maybe 3 to be more reasonable. If you want the whole deck you need to keep winning tourneys.
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>>176214782
It's all about egao and keikaku
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Quick question.
Is it possible for a card effect like Tower's third eff to exist, but with a second effect if they can't pitch something from the hand or field?
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What's the future have for tcgs? Are they going extinct? Is it all going to be online?

I went to the shop earlier today to pick up some money the owner owed me and while we were chatting he mentioned how 10 years ago his shop would be full every single weekend, but nowadays he could barely pay the locale's rent, he also mentioned something about konami gradually jacking up prices and artificially reducing product availability, he seemed a bit depressed, almost like he's about to close the shop down, made me wonder whether tcgs were just a fad or maybe it's just a bad time for the hobby...

He also totally randomly gifted me a sylvan waterslide lmao.
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>>176226219
Just have an effect that can be negated if your opponent pitches a monster, worded like in the pic.
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>>176218572
Triple dog, triple bear, and triple toy vendor are non negotiable ratios. I'd say double wing is optimal but now with penguin and patchwork, 3 wing could also work.
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Post your favorite non-yugioh card.
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>>176226279
Its just that Konami and Co cant believe their piece of shit of an excuse for a game is still alive so they are trying how far they can push things until people stop eating their shit as if it were candy.
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>>176227598
Ah so you need to work it like that.
So something like "X, Your opponent can negate this effect by Banishing 1 Monster from their hand or their side of the field"?
Is it possible to force them to Pitch the card, and if they can't they something else happens or is that beyond the rulings for the game?
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>>176228730
Sure. Very simple. Just do "Once per turn: You can make your opponent X, or, if they cannot, X"
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>>176228730
There are no real limits for the game, mechanically. Theres limits to PSCT but you can make up whatever you want and Konami can always just say "yeah it just works".
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>>176229220
Thanks.
>>176229654
Well I mean there's that one Crop Circles card, with a second effect that is physically impossible to achieve because of how the game handles effects, So i was thinking about something like that happening.
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>>176158957
>mask of restrict
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>Messing around with new Timelords
>None of the Timelords do enough damage on their own and the ones that do are unprinted
Guess i'll just twiddle my thumbs or mix them with other stuff until we get the rest.
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>>176234468
Considering Time maiden can summon a second timelord even if you control one, you could splash in some rank10's
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>>176233842
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>>176233842
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>>176234674
>destroy
Hi~
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>>176234468
The spin one, Metaion and Lazion are enough to do some serious burn. Plus maiden and a Gustaph Max or two and it's game.
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>>176233842
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>>176234535
doesn't work

valhalla sounds like more fun
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>>176235315
Valhalla requires you to control no monsters which means you can't normal summon another Timelord afterwards. If you wanna get desperate you could use Celestial Transformation to get two out for R10.
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fuck off
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>>176227974
why patchwork?
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Are Heroes officially dead?

>A Hero Lives
>ash
>chain Maskchange onto something
>just nukes the target with Masterpeace

I legit never felt this dismantled by a deck.
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>>176235931
You special maiden by its own effect, tribute it to search, then special one timelord with valhalla, and normal summon another.
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Japan already has links
what's the meta like there is it still zodiacs, dinosaurs and true kings?
How are cyberse?
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>>176236484
Did you read a single Timelord?
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>>176236479
I wish
>>176236508
40% zoodiac, still dinos and true kings
>how are cyberse
beyond literal garbaged
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>>176236484
>If you control no monsters, you can Normal Summon this card without Tributing
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>>176236508
Yes and no, its zoodiac and true draco, dinosaurs are dwindling down

and cyberse are shit
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>>176102156
my proxxxy
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>>176228052
I had over 200+ hours on the GBA game. DuelMaster's gameplay was weird yet fun
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Holy shit Timelords are a fucking blast, shitting on those "unbreakable" turn 1 boards your opponent mastrubated for 10 minutes to establish.
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>>176236828
>weird
It was arguably more fun than yugioh. It's a pity it died off.
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>>176236479
wait till main mask and extras they haven't done yet

>>176236508
still early for cys
more sets and struct/starters to go to determine

>>176236828
>still no subs
>>176237040
in west anyway, tried again with "kaijudo" but failed
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>>176237040
Still alive in Japan.
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>>176228052

MtG makes my inner Timmy happy
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>>176228052
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>>176237617
So it's a 4/4 when it's summoned and when you pay 4 more mana it's an 8/8? And next turn 16/16?
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>>176237745
It looks like you can use that ability as many times per turn as you want, as long as you can pay for it.
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>>176237745
It's shit is what it is.
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hey /mtg/ general, can you tell me where /dng/ is?
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>>176238242
Hopefully gone for fucking ever, this cesspool of shit needs to die after they tell me where they find their OCG leaks, since we get them before YGOrg usually.
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>>176237807
Ah, guess opt doesn't apply to magic. But doesn't it have summoning sickness? So unless you can't give it attack immediatly it should kinda blow

>>176237849
R-rude

Fun cards are fun
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>>176238447
go skip ahead to friday already
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>>176228052
SPORTS
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>>176238550
>Ah, guess opt doesn't apply to magic
It kinda does as some abilites you need to "tap" the card to use them, but this one doesn't.
Tapping is literally just turning the card sideways, stuff untaps at the start of your turn. You also need to tap to attack / defend attacks I believe, only played it a bit so I might be wrong
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>>176238882
>new UA lv4 never
why must you remind me
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>>176237040
>Weird = bad
I was just surprised how different the game was when compared to YGO (only card game I knew back then).
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>>176228052
I wish this game would come over. Doubt it'll ever happen at this point though. conflated soon
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>>176239140
lets amp it up
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>>176228052
We're Gonna Be Rich
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*teleports behind you*
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>>176239341
with pleasure
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>>176239576
too bad for you I have assembled the pieces
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>>176239576
I dont know what it says or means but this doesnt strike me as a fair card.
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>>176239732
>can someone reload me?
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>>176239820
You are like a baby. Watch this
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>>176228052
They are shit, but they look awesome together. I really wish the other card games would do more stuff like pokemon does with their neat foils and half-art/full-art cards.
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>>176240530
*Forbidden Big Bangs*
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>>176240589
>that Shelly front and center.
OR/AS was good for exactly one thing.
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http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/league/dueling/tag_dueling.html

Can't wait to play tags tomorrow at locals. Double Cardians is gonna be great, if we go first. These rules are severely outdated, pre-Pendulum so my buddy who runs locals has to update the rules himself and change things.
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running true king dinos, threw two babycerasaurus down for a true king, their effects brought out 2 oviraptors, but then the oviraptor effects didnt go off to get a dino to my hand. is this a glitch? ygopro btw
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>>176239820
>>176240530
>>176240713
PFFFFFFFFFFFF
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threado >>176241995
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>>176241681
>only four "cards"
Weak
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>>176241592
Oh shit, you can only use ovi once. I didn't even realize that. nvm im stupid
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