XCOM General - /xcg/

>>173994934
At the very least use ShowMeTheSkills.

>>174006697
There is nothing wrong with raping the enemy, rape is a weapon of war

I really want to get into the original game but I just can't

I had the same problem with deus ex

pistols are useful

>>174027947
It happens

How do I fix the antialiasing in XCOM:EW

I have a Nvidia 970, never had a problem with my r9 290.

>>174028042
why did you get a 970 when you already had a 290? it's a sidegrade at best

anyway you'd have to be more specific regarding the issue you're having with AA

Swords are useful

>>174028635
The 290 is in another machine and the 970 is in a small mini itx system attached to a TV sized monitor for bed and recliner use.

I can't seem to get decent AA settings happening in XCOM:EW. I don't mind blurry effects since im sitting 8ft away but I can't seem to get any AA working decently.

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>>174029096
I see. I don't remember the AA being bad in EW.

Steam compression may have raped this but the aliasing doesn't look to bad here on high.

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>>174029021

Word.

I'm dissapointed in XCOM2.

The tactical is great but is SEVERELY let down by even worse than EW LOS issues.

There is no strategy. Airgame was shit but at least it felt like I was commanding an airforce to down UFOs and losses mattered in LW.

Putting timers in the strategy map is either lazy or someone has a timer fetish at firaxis.

>>174031796
I mostly agree

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For a certain person.

>>174031796
Maybe its just because its I can easily find something abusable but I found the Tactical only great with mods, same with EW where I could enjoy it after a single playthrough by getting LW.

>>174035324
Green fog on normal in Long War is great. Stops me abusing the AI with break LOS sit and wait tactics.

>>174035324
Pretty much.
In vanilla XCOM 2 explosives are the available and abundant "I win" button
In vanilla EU/EW everything blindly bumbles into Overwatch/Reaction Shots.

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>Play long war one for the first time in a few months.
>March goes pretty well, couple of rookie deaths, couple of nasty wounds. Other wise fine. Three UFO shoot downs.
>April roles along. 1am April first a troop transport lands.
>Take it on. Loose a specialist Assault, couple wounds. but good.
>UFO shoot down, four dead. Retreated.
>Abduction. Squadwipe.
>Interceptor gets crit out of the sky. Other one does nothing but get shot. All interceptors out for 20+ days.
>Everyone above specialist is out on wounds...
>It hurts

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>>174038442

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>>174038905

>>174038905
That's nothing.

I turned on green fog :(

>>174041648
I wonder how would Beagle do with green fog on.

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How does /xcg/ feel about Apocalypse?

>>174042990
The bureau of og

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>>174027947
I think the people playing the original played it when it was new and have nostalgia/familiarity to keep them going. The gameplay is pretty outdated IMO.

>>174025939
LW1:
alien sight range indicator [personally I just use the tile counting helper because i can judge los easily, and I don't like the green circles]
exalt reminder [its default values are false for most difficulties]
campaign summary
enhanced tactical info [so you don't have to count aliens]
enhanced soldier customization [half of the females it generates are bald for some reason]
season with texmod crap to taste

>>174021012
I agree with the others that ITT is bad design. I used to play with it because it felt like an easy way to increase the difficulty but not by too much. Ultimately it just makes the process between activating pods extra tedious, and makes double activations extra punishing.

>>174031796
Only LoS issues EW has is those missing rooftops in large UFOs, and like two bugged tiles that don't allow peeking from dozens of maps. I really like how consistent and simple its LoS rules are. On the other hand I can't tell what X2's LoS rules are, though I only have a dozen hours in it or so.

>>174042990
>roastie cannon
who thought that is a good idea

>>174044024
I think the LoS issues in X2 are more an issue with the maps rather than the LoS rules. The rules are mostly the same but:
-I think X2 has way more single tile high cover pieces (trees, lampposts etc) that block line of sight
-X2 buildings are covered with windows, basically making them useless for breaking LoS
-Step out is more liberal and will happen most of the time
-Trucks are bugged and in LW2 some high cover pieces are also bugged (e.g. when you have a building edge the tile before the corner should not have LoS around the corner but for whatever reason you have and you are also flanked)

What kind of LoS issues did you have in X2?

>>174046253
>What kind of LoS issues did you have in X2?
It's not really an inconsistency, just unfamiliarity with the rules. I remember putting people behind high cover they shouldn't be able to step out from, because of neighboring soldiers etc, and still getting los. I assumed that they removed stepping out and just had people be capable of seeing through high cover depending on conditions that were unclear to me.

>>174046253
X2 LOS issues are bugs not making a mistake because of a window.

You can be seen through some walls and most floors due to bugs in the engine.

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Will we see the return?

>>174047792
Just wait until seekers arrive.

Beagle is cool to me, the whiny haters are hilariously sad.

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>>174048138

>>174027947
Sounds like you need to git gud before the aliens add you to the list of nsf casualties

>>174027947
t. scrub

>>174035759
I like how Overwatch isn't foolproof because enemies refuse to blatantly run into shots unless they're insane melee gods

>>174048138
xwynns is decently far up there when it comes to tactical play and humor.

ten

>>174054576
yes

>xwynns again tries to command somebody right after giving them threat assessment

>>174042990
A game with a lot of potential, and still pretty good. Unfortunately lots of the art is super ugly, and alot of the features never made it into the final product.
If OpenApoc ever finishes that would be pretty awesome.

>>174044024
>The gameplay is pretty outdated IMO.
wrong

>>174060705
>wade anthony still failing 92% hacks
the legend

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>>174028025
I agree with this statement

>>174064542
Laser pistol with scope and....? I feel like there is another attachment.

>>174064634
Hair Trigger but you can't really see it.
Laser Pistols are pretty hueg

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Would you rather LOS issues or taking cover on tiles that don't exist

>>174065224
save and reload fixes that one

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>>174065758
I took advantage of it
Only felt a little dirty afterwards

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>tfw lw2 couldn't save it

>>174071109

I think the thread literally started dying more after LW2 came out, it came out, everyone was hyped and posting about it, and in a couple of days everyone left.

>>174071109
Maybe if there was a nude Viper mod more people would come.

>>174071109
>lump releases it
>his execution is even poorer

i remain amazed that Jake actually balanced XCOM2 to be fun via playtesting and it was actually a strict balancing act

>>174071109
to be fair lump did fix the strategy
and that made people realize that xcom isn't a strategy game

>>174071109
>>174071586
LW was a complete fluke. LW2 has good ideas but JL is absolute shit at balance because of the obsession with difficulty for the sake of it.
It's all the result of "look at me playing this difficult game X-Com at the highest difficulty without much trouble" .

Haven Management: Good
>Random Haven Faceless: Bad
Infiltration System: Good
>Random element in conjunction with haven management: Bad
>RNG nature of infiltration times in general: Bad
Can skip more missions without destroying campaign: Good
>10+ missions spawning in short order all requiring attention to progress: Bad
Some Dark Events are permanent: Good
>DEs spawn on places you haven't contacted: Bad
Changes to stealth and pod movement: Good
>Making 50% of missions ShinobiCOM: BAD(Thank you 1.3)
New classes, PCS, enemies, weapon tiers: Good
etc.

Can easily be salvaged by people modding it on their own

>>174072943
>and that made people realize that xcom isn't a strategy game
Not sure what you mean by this. Care to explain?

>>174073027
He means that the strategic layer isn't what people play the nucoms for.

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Miss you. Jet-Pack-able armor.

>>174073143
Then I can't wait to see what people do if XCOM 3 brings in Apocalypse style faction management

>>174073143
I don't think he meant that, I'd prefer to hear his opinion. Also the strategic layer in LW1 is pretty good, so this does not really ring true at all.

>>174073329
NO ONE LIKED APOCALYPSE. ANON

>>174073012
I wouldn't call it a fluke. It's blatantly obvious that Johnny Lump is clever enough to make new, interesting mechanics that combine well together.

But is he clever enough to balance it so that people who aren't his in-crew of testers won't give up out of frustration? That's a good question.

>>174073428
What are the odds Jake liked it more than TFTD?

>>174073608
He is already on record for saying he does. He doesn't like TFTD.

>>174073012
>obsession with difficulty for the sake of it
i dont know about that
lw2 is piss easy even on legend
i think that mindset being widespread in all feedback is what made him limpwristed when it comes to difficulty in lw2
i want him to return more magnificent than ever before

it might also just be that the last difficulty in eu/ew was named impossible and he took it to heart
lower difficulties of lw1 weren't even that much harder than vanilla

>>174073608
Pretty high, he hates TFTD, it's the game he least likes in the franchise, which implies that Apoc is above it in his eyes.

Looking for more xcom? Got the beaglerush blues? Look no further!

https://youtu.be/KwmXf4Y-lBk

>>174073770
>>174074429
I don't blame him, TFTD is custom made to fuck the players in the ass in a multitude of ways.

I wonder how ridiculous would a campaign with all missions revealed be. Like having 40 missions so you absolutely cant infiltrate them all. That might be fun but crazy unbalanced

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Psy-Operatives make their own Destiny.

>>174075360
you'd need to redo the ui a fair bit, those indicators on the bottom right only go up to 16, so you'd need to manually scroll around the map and click on missions beyond that

>>174074137
I'll rephrase for him. Its obsession with difficulty for the sake of it if you try to play it like fucking XCOM.
It IS piss easy when you just stealth through everything.

>>174075496
Yeah, I think I would just click on the holograms rather than the icons. I have no idea how to write shit for xcom so inis only

>>174075624
it's still really easy, the enemy pods are complete jokes compared to what you had to fight in lw1

where's my two sectopod eight drone pod
where's my ten berserker pod
where's my three tier 3 mec two gatekeeper pod

>>174076037
>LW1 magnificence
>heavy floater and futboll pods
>boss enemies
>even the drone boss crits for 20 or some shit

>>174076397
I miss Queen Sally.

>>174075248
That's basically the root of it, yeah. It's a reskin with absurd difficulty.

>>174076627
The bullshit actually goes beyond "reskin with increased difficulty", in ways that are so insidious or roundabout that I still don't know if it was just hastily done bad design or on purpose.

>>174073012
It's more a game design issue. LW1 changed a lot, but in some ways it was conservative, it stuck to the format of vanilla and just added more stuff on top. LW2 tries to be a fundamentally different game from what it builds on, and maybe some of the ideas there don't work as well as they hoped.

>>174076037
I don't know what you mean, there were way more damage-dealing options in LW1.

>>174076892
TFTD was made in an absurdly short amount of time and made by a different team from Julian's. Also, the original x-com had a bug that made every diffculty the easiest one after the first mission. TFTD was made without the knowledge of this bug.

>>174044024
Nope, didn't play till 2009, but its one of my all time favorites. The new ones are nice, but they don't have the enduring game design or presence the original still does

>>174074451
These are getting pretty polished. I'm gonna try writing a script with jokes

>>174076037

Even if those patrols did exist, they still would be nothing when compared to a Heavy Floater patrol.

>>174076037
Spectrum Green is way closer to LW1 than LW2 and gives you exactly what you want

>>174048138
I don't hate him but his word is not gospel. People take what he says and does too seriously.

>>174088174
>but his word is not gospel
I've never really seen people acting like this.

>>174088490
You should've been here when he wrote a wall of text about LW2. It was a lot of words with no substance and yet people were climbing on his dick.

>>174088679
>You should've been here when he wrote a wall of text about LW2
I remember very vigorous debate about the validity of his statements
> It was a lot of words with no substance
Now that's just not true, whether you agreed or not. I mostly did not agree, but he had plenty of valid criticisms or criticisms that made sense if the context of what he enjoyed

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>>174047834

here

>>174093646
prime rocket bait.
People who don't like rocketeers are certified baddies

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>>174093747
>losing 50 buckaroos in corpses

>>174094319
>risking soldiers
>taking wounds
no thanks

>go to watch beagles new xcom twitch series
>its over the top pewdiepie esque shit with yelling, absurd overlays, clearly made for the 13 year old ADD twitch crowd

jesus christ, dropped

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>>174095601

DROPPED you say...

>>174095601
The only thing different from his old stuff is that he has a facecam, he always yelled.

Tfw no strong soldier gf whose weakness is anal

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LW2 fucking sucks, when do we get an expansion that actually adds meaningfully to the game, or at least 3.

>>174095601
>>174096283
This, it literally is exactly the same as his old streaming with the addition of the facecam.

I just uninstalled all my mods, and reinstalled lw2 with a bunch of compatible mods, anything I should do just to make sure it runs smoothly?

>>174100841
You might want to go to your documents folder and clear the config folder. It will repopulate when you launch the game.

WHEN IS 1.3 LUMP?!

>>174103865
rip my rookie

The original X-COM is the best one, vanilla or otherwise.

Love, /vr/

>>174105221
Got any other obvious facts?

Go back to /vr/

I accidentally edited these thinking they were mission timers, does anyone know what the default of these are? file is XcomLW_Overhaul.ini for longwar2

; This is the turn count after squad reveal AND strategic objective fulfillment on missions with unlimited ("continuous") reinfs when ADVENT starts dropping 8-strong pods to force the player to skedaddle.
; Disabled by -1 or a positive reinforcement cap.
+TURN_COUNT_FOR_CAVALRY_AFTER_VICTORY[0]=100
+TURN_COUNT_FOR_CAVALRY_AFTER_VICTORY[1]=100
+TURN_COUNT_FOR_CAVALRY_AFTER_VICTORY[2]=100
+TURN_COUNT_FOR_CAVALRY_AFTER_VICTORY[3]=100

; This is the turn count after squad reveal on missions with unlimited ("continuous") reinfs when ADVENT starts dropping 8-strong pods to force the player to skedaddle.
+TURN_COUNT_TO_CAVALRY_ALL_CASES[0]=100
+TURN_COUNT_TO_CAVALRY_ALL_CASES[1]=100
+TURN_COUNT_TO_CAVALRY_ALL_CASES[2]=100
+TURN_COUNT_TO_CAVALRY_ALL_CASES[3]=100

>>174106221
can you fucking read?

>>174106221
If you haven't edited anything else out could also just re download. I think the last one is 12 its been months since I messed with lw2 inis.

>>174106346
it was a mistake, and I don't remember what the default is, can anyone please go into their XcomLW_Overhaul.ini and tell me what the default is for these values, its around line 1015 if your using notepad ++

>>174106368
I have a ton of this file edited for other mods and various other tweaks, I was stupid and didn't make a backup, redownloading would lose me a lot of time. Please if any anon would be so kind I would greatly apprecaite it.

>>174106581
Then just download the mod off somewhere else you'll probably get it done faster doing a comparison check than waiting for someone to do it for you.

>>174106221
; This is the turn count after squad reveal AND strategic objective fulfillment on missions with unlimited ("continuous") reinfs when ADVENT starts dropping 8-strong pods to force the player to skedaddle.
; Disabled by -1 or a positive reinforcement cap.
+TURN_COUNT_FOR_CAVALRY_AFTER_VICTORY[0]=-1
+TURN_COUNT_FOR_CAVALRY_AFTER_VICTORY[1]=12
+TURN_COUNT_FOR_CAVALRY_AFTER_VICTORY[2]=10
+TURN_COUNT_FOR_CAVALRY_AFTER_VICTORY[3]=8

; This is the turn count after squad reveal on missions with unlimited ("continuous") reinfs when ADVENT starts dropping 8-strong pods to force the player to skedaddle.
+TURN_COUNT_TO_CAVALRY_ALL_CASES[0]=-1
+TURN_COUNT_TO_CAVALRY_ALL_CASES[1]=28
+TURN_COUNT_TO_CAVALRY_ALL_CASES[2]=24
+TURN_COUNT_TO_CAVALRY_ALL_CASES[3]=20

This system is meh anyway

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>>174106684
Thank you very much anon!

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>Have EU music modded in
>tfw the option for Music Modding System to mix in the default music to the modded music is working for the Avenger, Map, and Squad Loadout but has never worked for Combat
I just want both soundtracks weaved together perfectly man

>>174096283
>>174100160

This.

The whiny fat add sloths don't like change.

It allows beagle to pick up new people who are into that.

Why do people throw such hissy fits.

>>174095601
Wow you're so cool.

>>174095601
my favorite part is when he spends 20 minutes reading donations

>>174111843
It was the first night so obviously he would get a lot. What do you want, he has to make money somehow and no one would donate if he didn't acknowledge them. It'll be better next time.

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>tfw breaching and clearing a Sectopod pod

>>174105910

Try the GBA version then.

>>174114426
>Can't do this in LW2 because ITT lmao

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>>174075445

Will we ever know what happened to The Volunteer?

>>174115073
ded

>>174115073
No because Gupta left. The last chance for XCOM to be good left. Jake is nothing in comparison.

>>174114841
>can't edit the ini
That is long war 2 by the way.

Besides, yellow alert actions only happen when the enemy reveals on their turn.

ded

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>>174123510
4u

>>174118609
also units that take damage when scampering to cover can't take yellow alert actions
the 1.3 change that doesn't let rapid reaction and sentinel target the same unit is pretty good for mitigating yellow alert stuff

that and there's still the whole "point killzone and the pod your shinobi reveals is one turn from activating" maneuver that is made much easier due to yellow alert making it trivial to predict the movements of unactivated pods

and anyway, even with itchy trigger tentacle turned off, the aliens still got it for alien base assaults in lw1
opening a door and getting blasted in the face by a freshly activated sectopod is vintage lw1

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>>174118609
That isn't LW2. I'm playing heavily modded vanilla.
ABA2, every LW addon except Ayys, Mod Everything+Upgradeable Pistols, Upgradeable SPARKs, More Maps Pack, True Concealment, etc. etc.
Also a ton of QoL mods that are too numerous to list.

I need to know the mods beagle uses for LW.

Stupid crap like not showing XP amounts for soldiers in tactical grinds my gears.

>>174125497
xp is in enhanced tactical info

>>174125497
http://www.nexusmods.com/xcom/mods/554/?
this or a variant of thereof for exp, there's a few but i think this is the most used one?
then he uses alien sight ranges (he uses it less often with los indicators around but i think he still has this)
http://www.nexusmods.com/xcom/mods/556/?
and los indicators
http://www.nexusmods.com/xcom/mods/666/?

>>174125497
oh bagel actually posted his mod list like 10 minutes before you asked this

Activate Dev Console
Alien Sight Range Indicator
Enhanced Tactical Info 1.0c
HUD Cleaner MOUSE CONTROLS
RandomizedSoldierAppearance
Sightlines
HoursNotDays

>>174127628
>>174125821
>>174125729

Thankyou muchly sirs.

Now I think I might restart my campaign because I forgot I can always down that first UFO you just have to remember when you hit it once with an avalanche to abort ASAP then send out an aggressive to down it, to get that good start.

You don't want to be damaging interceptors for nothing.

Any custom classes for LW2 that /xcg/ likes? I'm actually pretty interested in this Necromancer psi class. It's the first one I've seen that isn't just another knock-off LW class.

http://www.nexusmods.com/xcom2/mods/468/?

Just wish it was psi-labs based.

>>174123986
STOP TAUNTING ME

I MISSED THE NEW EPISODE AND NOW I CAN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE
THE UPLOAD IN KISSCARTOON IS ONLY 24 SECONDS LONG

>>174116236
>Gupta left.

who

>>174130232
Worked with Jake on the first XCOM. Directly in charge of the Expansion (EW) while Jake went on a pilgrimage to commune with the x-com gods in order to discover if they were pleased, while also meeting with his sensei, Gallop.

>>174130380

And he left? That would explain a lot.

The Van Doorn mission makes me wish we had more missions where standard military encountered XCOM forces. It'd be especially great if they made more comments on some of the crazy shit we bring on missions.

>>174134060

Yeah, wished for that as well. A special, scripted mission at each weapon tier were you swoop in with the Avenger to save a city block, base or transport crash site would have been ideal to develop the world building a bit more.

>>174132541
Offered a lucrative position with Riot.

I see the scatter of rockets is still insane in Long War 1.0 ...

Rocketeers are useless until you get aim gear and level them up. Every other class is so much better until large pods of flying ayys arrive, particularly seekers.

>>174135153

Will they ever make other games?

>>174135959
Yeah, I always bring a shredder rocket on rookie rocketeers because the big range makes it semi-reliable even without steadying. But you usually have to keep them steadying every turn to get a reliable panic button.

I don't think it's just rocketeers though. Some classes are just really good and others really bad earlygame. Engineers and assaults are gods, medics and rocketeers are rookies with a free item and slightly higher stats.

>>174138649
That sounds good actually, I forgot you can equip shredder early.

The thing is I don't really need them right now this early in the game. I might turn a reward soldier into one though.

>>174029096
if you have integrated graphics, EW will use them instead of Nvidia cards

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>>174130203
https://mega.nz/#!mxZ3VKwS!x3TD1oZaQwic3vC69j5zKXlAqMdXoEqTO9_qFTvANms here friend

>>174126962
New gun?

>>174142226
Looks like a normal ballistic to me

>>174141206
>The thing is I don't really need them right now this early in the game. I might turn a reward soldier into one though.
Well I still force myself to bring them, otherwise there aren't any when they are needed. It's like having a really accurate rookie I guess.

>>174142310
Huh guess I haven't played in awhile

>>174141206
also the shredder is nice for wounding floaters to ensure everyone else will oneshot

post favorite/cute/sexy characters

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>got terror before ufo
>all i have are 3 laser pistols
w-well at least i can capture sectoid c-commander early, right guys?

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>>174146026
>those aren't even sectoid terrorists
10/10 start

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>>174143673
Volk was my very own frag85 from my first LW1 campaign (well she lived a lot longer than frag but was a heroic deadshot infantry who was KIA too soon anyways) so I had to recreate her for XCOM 2 (was a sharpshooter in my first campaign when I saved her to character pool). Gave her the eyepatch and scar after she was gravely wounded for the first time

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>>174146167

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>>174148901
that went well i think

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>>174149483
jeez, i lost half of my soldiers 14 days in. this is the most active start i had. but we're getting our first laser rifles, and setting up alien stomping operations.

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>>174150453
aaand after these two initial excursions ayys decided to fuck off. perhaps we have won?
meanwhile we researched alien mindprobe and equipped our assault detachment with new laser rifles and motion scanners.

playing on ironman superhuman btw.

>>174135959
Just steady aim. Early game I throw scopes on them too, two rockets is enough for most missions.

Anybody uses the misc classes from the workshop?
Im thinking about installing a few but would like to know if theyre worth it.

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I like Tier 3 in X2, reminds me of the OG armor designs.
I do agree you need to mods to give it proper customization though.

Loo

>>174154746
i wish we had tier 3 as tier 2 and an actual proper power armour from ufo as tier 3.

Has Jake fixed the game yet

>>174093646
>What if XCOM was a hentai movie?

>>174161017
>implying every game isn't a graphic depiction of human/xeno sexual violence with the dom decided by who's winning

>>174151245
As long as you don't get hit with an early base defense you should be fine. Get prepared for a the big infiltration missions happening quite a few times before you can shoot anything down.
If you take advantage of it, lot's of battleships and large ships ripe for the taking.
But sectoid battleships are the toughest missions imo.

>>174161408
Just think, all the futuristic Strip clubs that feature the aliens like Vipers.

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There has to be an expansion. X2 went on humble bundle right when LW2 was released. This makes perfect sense if they're about to release an expansion that obsoletes vanilla. And it makes no sense to do if LW2 is to be their last player draw. Jake!!!

>>174160979
>Jake
>Fixing his game

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What the fuck. I just pulled off some crazy shit after a surprise chrysalid pod jumped me only for my assault to be shot through the floor which is completely intact. I think it may be a map mod but this pisses me off so much, I should have just gone vanilla maps but it's too late now.

>>174168817
Naaah its just Jake not fixing his game

>>174166123

Kind of was thinking this as well. Maybe we ill get an announcement in this next E3?

>>174168962
i'm still baffled as to how the avatar design made it into the game

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You're a big MEC

>>174168962
>>174172095
The options were
>Ethereals(Already had)
>Super Ethereal(Already had)

Let's be real here, XCOM is not a game franchise suited towards big amazing final bosses

>>174174290
we still haven't had the giant brain thing from the original x-com

>>174175440
I forgot about that. It would've been really cool to see in the Forge unless it's the TFTD we saw at the end of the final mission.

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>>174173495
For you
So that's what the "we have ways" bonus does

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Will we ever get enemy ports from EW or it's impossible to do it?

post soldiers (and mods used to create them)

>>174179134
>>>/v/

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>>174154746
I think it looks fine if you put darker colors on tier 3.

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>PLEASE BLOW US UP

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Needs more QTs

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>>174180142
SAS Remastered
BF4 Helmets
Pancor Jackhammer
Military Camouflage

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>>174183063

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>>174184807
Why did they have to make only 1 face attractive? EU was so much better with faces.

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>>174185349
That's why masks are great.

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>>174180142

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>>174180142
I think the mods are self-explanatory

>>174174290
Rulers did a reasonably good job of mini-bosses.

>>174186884
Honestly I think mechanically the Avatars are the best boss fight in any xcom game. It's hampered because people think Avatars are lame.

>>174186884
They were cool outside of ruler reaction. Then again an AWC/Officer Perk called "Commander's General" that gives a soldier the ruler reaction system would have been more amazing than the armors

>>174186975
They're only lame because I kill them on the turn they spawn.

>>174187051
>They were cool outside of ruler reaction
wtf are rulers without it?

>>174187163
I certainly wasn't pulling that off my first playthrough.

>>174166123
Destructable floors were a mistake the tradeoff was not worth it.

>>174189284
Well yeah, who knew we would be punished with such bs. Though walls are see-through often as well. Are they connected, or is all of LOS hopelessly fucked in X2?
LOS needs to be fixed in the expansion or X2 will never reach it's full potential, as I doubt mods could fix this.

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>>174189502
Well they have to be working on something, heres hoping they're staying quiet because it's going to be 'uge.

>>174183063
face/race?!

>>174191359
that's obviously photoshopped

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>>174198687

Nice one.

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>>174143673
She came like this completely unchanged by me as a mission award. She acquitted herself well on the last few missions I had

>>174178304
They're all in the SDK. The problem is they aren't animated.

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This Battlegrounds game looks kinda fun. Must try it later.

Fuck whoever made the Newfoundland mission

>>174207050

Don't know how to boxstrat?

>>174207169
Yes no

>>174207050
Shotguns and close quarters specialist

>>174207842
Lightning reflex lids :c

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>>174027597
Alright fags. What should i name my next base? It's in Australia and it's mostly just there for the radar shit. Already got one called outer heaven so that's out.

>>174207592
Place your troops on high ground in locations that block melee units from reaching you. Also the lids coming from the whale have limited spawns, so you can box strat by jumping down from above to the engine block, and then kill everything. Makes it very safe to get back, and tons of free xp.

>>174210461
Under Heaven?
Heaven down under (too long probably)
Down Under
Cunt Heaven
idk

>>174210461
autumn light

>>174210461
other heaven

>Want to start new XCOM 2 play-though
>remember early game stun lancers/sectoids exist

>>174211638
>sectoids
why?

>>174211890
t. guy who never witnessed a sectoid panic a solider into throwing a grenade at his squad

>>174211638
Your first purchases in the game should be GTS then immediately a couple of Flashbangs to keep Sectoid's psi-fuckery away.

>>174212085

I need that christopher odd video STAT

>>174213251
https://youtu.be/rOI11iDbGoI?t=7m27s
7:27

>>174212085
I've seen it, but it's pretty rare still.

>>174213546
>i didn't think i would go out like this
kek

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>>174213546

Fucking hell

>>174168817
Being shot through floors isn't an issue with the maps, it's a problem with the game itself

That was a nice win, Beagle.

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>>174143673

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>>174143673
Whats Lump's fetish for making standard riflemen so god damn good at their jobs

So will the new LW2 patch actually going to make it so I can take a squad and go guns blazing without getting buttfucked or is it just slightly tweaking stealth so it's only the best choice for 75% of the time instead of 80%. I don't understand how he thought the heavy focus on stealth was a good idea, after you play the game for a while it's probably one of the worst parts of XCOM 2.

>>174217549
I don't think the LW devs knew just how good Light 'Em Up can be when they were adding everything else to the Infantry and then Rangers.

>>174218241
Yeah that becomes pretty apparent when you take the damage perks and later Saturation Fire.
>Let me just shit out 20+ damage at Tier 2 (pushing 30+ at Beams) real quick with standard shots at high accuracy
>Oh my shot % isn't high on you? Time to crit your whole squad through cover with my cone attack lmao

>>174218220
Stealth is nerfed to shit in 1.3 as far as I can tell. The infiltration time for 3-5 man squads has been buffed and aliens now show up in smaller pods. Should mean small skirmishes are now the norm.

>>174218562
So does that mean overall less ayys? I might now bring my 8 man 0% squad for fun anymore.

>>174218705
No. Number of aliens is unchanged. They just roam in smaller pods now.

>>174218774
Ah okay so 0% will still be fun and it will just me more groups but smaller individually.

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>>174143673

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XCOM 2 air game expansion when?

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>>174220458

This please.

>>174220458
Not in the Avenger I hope. Bradford has enough issue avoiding a fucking Scout.

>>174221095
Maybe they could be fighter drones stored in the useless bits at the front of the Avenger, and they could be used to defend against interceptors as well as engage opportunity targets in the vicinity of the avenger for extra alloys and stuff.

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>>174221431

I really think they are going the Drone route unless they put bases on the ground from where the Interceptors take off to defend either the Resistance bases and the Avenger.

Why did I put stingrays on my interceptors again?

As long as I damage the scouts enough those flashing bastards don't turn up right?

>>174222594
They can show up regardless. Have some stingray interceptors ready for the second month.

>>174220458

Expansion that fixes the game breaking LOS issues and disgusting strategy layer please.

Ofcourse airgame must be included and I want customisable pilots not drone 001.

>>174222627
OK fair enough.

>>174222661
Customization of pilots is a good point, would be cool to have a decal maker for the pilots decal for his helmet/plane. I would assume they would fix other problems like LOS and spice up the strategy layer as well but maybe LOS isn't a simple fix considering it made it into the final game and hasn't been patched/mod fixed.

>>174075248

A big thing he didn't like with it was also the aesthetics. The disconnect of fighting off in the deep sea and not the feeling of horror of fighting on mainstreet. I used to disagree with that and mock it but I realized he was right after I found the high tech cities in Xcom2 to be really unenjoyable and not have any of the impact and appeal for me that the urban locations in Xcom1 did.

Since pistols are useless mostly I think I will allow medkits into
that slot since they show up on the model and the extra -1
mobility hurts enough to not include it on some classes/missions. Also less need of the useless medic class.

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Is there going to be an expansion? Pls answer me CIA!

>>174223625
Long War is the expansion and it's FREE just wow, thanks Joke Solowoman.

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>>174151245
another floater terror. i fucking hate floaters, you can never know where those faggots are gonna be on the next turn.

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>>174225042
they killed one of my best guys too.

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>>174225114
a floater shit jumped out of nowhere and shot him like this, all because i forgot to sit him behind the crates while moving my 5-man sniper core.

well at least this wasn't 'lid terror. i'm still to encounter sectoid terror tho.

>>174225114
Is that some remastered version? That's a pretty damn high resolution!

>>174225410
that's openxcom hqx2 filter. like how do you not know about openxcom?

Do assault carbines still give aim to reduce scatter?

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>>174222661
>>customisable pilots

That would be awesome.

>>174225471
Dunno lol. I've never played the original XCOM. I bought it a couple of days ago on Steam though. So what is openxcom?

>>174225909
A rewrite/recode of x-com that requires the original files, so by buying it through steam you have everything you need.

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>>174225909
>I've never played the original XCOM
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?!

google openxcom, download the game, put your resources from steam copy as it tells you. it's xcom rewritten with sdl so that you don't have to fuck around with dos. they also fixed many bugs.

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>>174226278
prod with the prod

>>174226352
Prod for the Prod God.

>>174218483
Also that early game utility and tanking potential (in LW1 at least, havent tried 2 myself yet)
>take a shot and hunker down
>take a shot and throw a flashbang
>take a shot and if everyone decides to miss their 70 % as per usual, just retreat into high cover
>take 2 shots if it's blue moon and everything goes as planned
the sheer utility is just amazing especially when you're carrying 2-3 rookies in the squad.

>>174226543
oh yes!

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Give Mecha.

>>174226081
>>174226278
Thanks! Installing this now!

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>>174227580
ufo gameplay is genuinely 1000 times better than xcom 2.

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everything by the numbers~

i wish openxcom code could be modded into neoxcom.

>>174222594
ayys "purchase" a set of missions at the start of each month, they can purchase sat hunters directly as well as get them for free when a scout mission completes.

Look at the bottom of the page:
http://ufopaedia.org/index.php/Alien_Missions_(Long_War)#Harvest

>>174228105
>i wish openxcom code could be modded into neoxcom.
What do you mean?

Rocketeers are shit.

2.7 scatter after steadying...

Whoever thought that was ok...

You basically have to open with them incase they miss since they are not a reliable panic button.

In fact I get more use out of engineers and trickshots or abusing LOS.

>>174228781
As we already discussed, rocketeers and medics are weak earlygame. You probably know this but you should make rocketeers from 70+ aim guys, it's more important than snipers even.

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YET ANOTHER FLOATER FUCKING TERROR AT NIGHT
>>174228752
i mean plugging ai code from openxcom into xcom 2. and naturally adding all the subsystems like time units.

>>174229310
What the heck is the point of them even endgame?

By that time you can abuse LOS with battlescanners and a million other tactics or damage options.

They are a deadweight class just like medics.

I'm going to train up one of each and if they die tough luck.

>>174191359
looks like Zoey from L4D with Helena Harper's hair

>>174229478
>They are a deadweight class just like medics.
If medics were a deadweight class you wouldn't feel the need to mod other classes to be able to do their job [assuming the pistol slot medkit guy was you]. Medics lategame are item mules with active psi abilities that keep tanking viable among other things.

After a couple rankups steadied rocketeers with FITH have nearly no scatter. If you can do every lategame engagement with battlescanners+mines, then yeah, you can justify any class as useless except scouts/engineers and mecs.

Apparently it's hardcoded that you can't destroy UFOs in (all of?) march.
https://youtu.be/MSz2Uqz4asI?t=175

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i fucking hate small launchers. i have 4 more wounded and half of the killed had amazing stats.

>>174229478
Medics are not dead weight, even early game. They are the best support grenade carriers and get the best will progression. The high will will result in psi gods who won't be wasting a damaging attack from another unit.

>>174237885
They really take a while to take off IMO - the first really useful perk is at CPL or maybe even SGT. I think you can make them come online earlier as anti-terror specialists by taking rapid rapid reaction, but the smoke lobber role takes quite a few perks to get online.

>>174225563
no

>>174231075
Yes that is correct. They decided that missing out on a whole ufo's worth of xp in the first month based on some rng was too punishing to the player, considering how key a strong start is.

>>174229478
Don't forget you get to turn your rocketeers into mobile artillery platforms mid to late game. I've never had any issue making good use of them early to midgame. Early game they are rifleman with a rocket for emergencies, which if steadied has a good chance of being on target. Mid game they absolutely nail their targets ever-time.
Also treat them like AA troopers.

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>>174226352
>rifle
>not primed c4

>>174246939
I never liked archers, I prefer in the zone and flame for crowd control.

>>174249903
Your opinions on classes are all kinds of fucked desu

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>>174247536
why would i want to blow up my loot? the rookie with shitty stats may or may not die either way. except lasgun and the prod are recoverable and can be handed to the next rookie with shitty stats that gets scouting duty.

also i tend to fight in close quarters hugging walls so i don't use explosives. especially primed explosives.

>>174247536
also why the fuck even use explosives? killing stuff isn't the problem in battlescape, getting close to the stuff without eating reaction plasma is.

>>174250270
>also why the fuck even use explosives?
????????

>>174249963
Uhh okay

>>174250082
>>174250270
>incoherent babbling: the post

>>174250472
I'm just saying, you have some very odd opinions that are sharply in opposition to the prevailing opinions on LW classes. Archers are widely considered a, if not, top tier MEc.

>>174250597
I haven't played UFO and it's clear to me what he's saying: if you can spot an alien you can kill it even without explosives, if you can't you can't know where to lob the explosive either, so why bother with explosives?

>>174250406
>>174250597
i never even used explosives except for the 4 rockets and he cannon rounds that you get at the start of campaign. why have them? lasguns are superior in every way.

also blaster launchers on mars.

>>174250776
I only really build pathfinders

>>174250847
>>174250797
I agree, it's just your posting style is quasi stream of consciousness

>>174250797
>>174250847
Early game grenades are a god send, as they have enough damage and blast radius to be a near guaranteed kill against anything you will face. This is in sharp contrast to wildly inaccurate rifles and the slightly better HE canons. Also no LOS required, so you can have troops safely hidden behind cover or not worry about shooting your own troops.

HE bricks are the most reliable way to kill cyberdiscs for the first terror mission, and once again don't require LOS to use. Slightly trickier because you need more strength, but still.
Instead of clearing farmhouses by ricking your soldiers, just blow up half the building to expose the aliens inside, or level the entire thing.
On many crashed UFOs, there are holes in the top of the roofs. Chuck HE into them for some free easy kills before you have to breach or wait them out.
I'm going to state this as a fact, not opinion: Not using explosives means you aren't killing aliens as efficiently as possible and are putting your soldiers in risky situations more often than necessary.
Also explosives do not blow up loot the first time you use them. They only blow up corpes if the ayy is already dead and it takes a couple explosives to blow up equipment. Unless you meant UFO loot like nav computers and power sources.

>>174251575
>This is in sharp contrast to wildly inaccurate rifles and the slightly better HE canons
oh come on, grenades are fucking useless compared to cannons. it's like 50 tu to throw your shitty grenade which may not even kill the ayy. he can snap shot for like 30.

and you'll have 2 missions max before you have 14 laspistols/guns anyway. you people talk like there is an alternative to laser rush.
>HE bricks are the most reliable way to kill cyberdiscs
yea, right, because cyberdiscs don't have insane reactions which make so much as moving in their los suicide. if you're afraid of not having lasers on first terror just buy more he cannons or rockets, though first terror is pretty manageable even with starting weapons >>174149483
>Chuck HE into them for some free easy kills
why would i ever want to destroy loot? just use the fucking motion scanners instead of turning ufo breaching into a smoking shitshow.
>Not using explosives means you aren't killing aliens as efficiently as possible
by using ekzplosives you are literally blowing up your money. didn't vahlen teach you that?
>and are putting your soldiers in risky situations more often than necessary.
i have inexhaustible supply of rookies with shitty stats who i can either dismiss for no profit whatsoever or use as disposable scouts so that my loot isn't harmed.

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>>174227487

If not mecha at least give us real MECs.

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>>174252687
>why would i ever want to destroy loot?
Explosive do not destroy loot. Only UFO loot (Nav copmuters and power sources). They don't destroy corpses, and they don't destroy equipment. This is kind of a big deal that you are definitely missing.

>oh come on, grenades are fucking useless compared to cannons.
No. Not needing los and being able to throw it over terrain means it is very useful. In the beginning, one nade = one dead ayy more consistantly than any weapon besides the rocket launcher. And they kill sectoids, floaters, and even reapers consistently.

>you people talk like there is an alternative to laser rush.
Explosives have no research tree, so I'm not sure what you mean. Pick them up cheap from the market and use them right alongside all your other gear.

>yea, right, because cyberdiscs don't have insane reactions which make so much as moving in their los suicide.
Why are you moving into their los? That's the biggest benefit of throwing stuff. Also smoke nades.

>i have inexhaustible supply of rookies with shitty stats
Yes. Or you could have a 14 veterans with you instead. I'm not going to tell you that you can't play the game imperial guard style, but you certainly don't have too.

Also sounds like you don't use smoke grenades since you talk about aliens instantly cutting you down before you can get close. I highly recommend you give them a try.

>>174228015
Shame you don't get the customization tho.

>(you) are currently sharing a thread with someone who doesn't use explosives in ufo defense
not even surprised desu

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>>174253457
> Only UFO loot
the single most important type of loot.
>Not needing los and being able to throw it over terrain means it is very useful.
los is only blocked by buildings which you can't throw over.
>Why are you moving into their los?
have you actually ever played terror maps in city? it's either "blocked by 2-story building" or the open street. the is no fucking way to safely spot cyberdisk when there can be 10 of them in total, let alone sneak near one AND throw your shitty explosive. i'd rather shoot rockets from a fortified spot.
>a 14 veterans with you instead.
or i can have 10 veterans and not lose any veterans on scouting duty. unless you are a huge sevescummer there is literally no way to make your strategy work. reactions WILL fuck you up.
>smoke grenades
smokes literally do nothing. your fov will get restricted and ayys will sneak up on your valuable units. the only two smokes you need are for ramp.

>>174253982
the ideal game would consist of xcom 2 grafix and openxcom logic.

>>174257690
>the single most important type of loot.
Right, and you always know where this loot is. You have repeatedly implied that explosives are going to be losing you loot when killing ayys. They won't. You even mentioned Vahlen and killing ayys, so I was just informing you it's safe to use explosives.

>los is only blocked by buildings which you can't throw over.
What? and fences and trees (orchardes) and hedges and very small building you can easily lob stuff over.

>smokes literally do nothing.
Smoke grenades give you control over LOS. Think about that. LOS is the single most important mechanic to play around, and smoke grenades let you modify this at will. Smoke your squad, and now they can stand in an open field and not be shot at. Next turn scout out of the smoke, use all the guys behind to shoot and chuck stuff, then smoke, wash and repeat.

>ayys will sneak up on your valuable units
If your lazy. A proper perimeter prevents this. Smoke grenades mean that no casualty operations are pretty standard for me. If ayys can't see me, they can't shoot or throw grenades. If aliens only ever see one person at a time, they won't even throw grenades.

>have you actually ever played terror maps in city? it's either "blocked by 2-story building" or the open street. the is no fucking way to safely spot cyberdisk when there can be 10 of them in total, let alone sneak near one AND throw your shitty explosive.
I do assume you have actually played the game, I don't know why you would insinuate that i haven't. And to answer your question on how to deal with safely spotting cyberdisks and be close enough to throw explosives: Smoke Grenades.
I'm sure you have heard of BREAK LOS before? Smoke grenades are free BREAK LOS you can use anywhere, anytime.

In short, smoke grenades are the single most powerful item in the game. Because they control los, the most important game mechanic to properly exploit.

https://youtu.be/ka-d0hstNNg

Bump. Campaign's gonna get interesting-next two episodes are Confounding Light and Gangplank, Ironman Impossible Ballistics Only.

>>174258797
>Think about that.
you do realise smoke affects your los too? i'd rather use walls.
>A proper perimeter prevents this.
are you playing on superhuman? ayys will go into smoke and will fuck you up OR will shoot your perimeter. you can't just abuse smoke, you're just spewing shit. the only abusable thing are rockets.
>In short, smoke grenades are the single most powerful item in the game.
riiiight. maybe you should post some videos on youtube of you skilfully utilizing smokes. you sound like a kid whose dad works at nintendo desu.

somebody post that pic of /xcg/ discussing chess

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>>174260089
Yes I've played on superhuman. Cleared it on ironman. Don't take my word for it, all this stuff is easily testable. Just experiment a bit with some of your playstyle. I'm quite confident that you will find a more rounded mix of equipment will yield results.

>you do realise smoke affects your los too?
Right, so to lay this out a bit more in detail here is my SOP. First off I smoke my skyranger the first turn and don't move. This is because aliens of full TUs so if you try and move out, they will have their max reaction score and kill your dudes. However, when aliens don't see anyone, they generally spend about half their TUs wandering aimlessly. So I move out the next turn when it's safe. I scout out with my soldiers, kill some ayys (hopefully all with soldiers not in the enemies los so they can't reaction fire). Then, at the end of my turn, I drop smoke grenades at my soldiers feet. This gives them concealment, and on big open areas guarantees safety. Next turn the scouts move to the edge of the smoke, the people still hidden then kill the ayys I can see, wash and repeat. LOS obstructions are removed as deemed necessary with HE to prevent ambushes. Obviously the weakness with this strat is when you get in close, as the smoke won't stop you from being spotted. That's why breaching the UFO is still very scary. As you already know, that is where the motion tracker shines so that you can properly stack people without an ayy popping out and you getting rekt with an alien nade.

>riiiight. maybe you should post some videos on youtube of you skilfully utilizing smokes
I've never recorded any gameplay. But like I said, you can test this yourself. Proper mix of all equipment does yield good results. By proper mix I mean take advantage of the unique stuff you can pull off with liberal use of HE, smoke nades, motion trackers, and proximity nades.

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>>174261109
>This is because aliens of full TUs so if you try and move out
no shit sherlock.

and in general your strat sounds like a lot of hassle with not much profit. lots of smokes to put on everyone and re-buy, having general stores, wasting some 30 tus on grenade, fucking up your own los with smoke. i'd rather just sit my scouts behind low walls.

>>174261774
>and in general your strat sounds like a lot of hassle with not much profit.
Not getting shot is the payoff. I that doesn't sound good to you then I don't know what to say. The rest of your "issues" are pretty trivial. If you don't what to re-stock equipment a bit more often, that's down to you.
>wasting some 30 tus on grenade
If you meant the smoke nades, openxcom has the handy dandy feature where your smoke nades can be pre-primed, and the game will remember that everytime you launch a mission for your equipment. It costs like 6 TUs to drop a smoke nade onto the ground.

Walls are definitely good, no doubt. The issue is that you have no control over them. There might be a wall you can use, but maybe their isn't. Also aliens can be using that same wall. Which is why I blow them up half the time.

>>174262146
>cheating

>>174262241
Ok lad. If that what it's down to.

>>174262397
"pre-priming" is cheating though. activating grenade costs 25 tu for a good reason. you might as well just edit out reactions if you're gonna spam he and cheat.

>explosives and smoke grenades aren't useful in ufo:eu
Wew

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WW1 weapons ports when

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>>174071109
Here, have the /twg/ version of this

>>174262575
>pre-priming is cheating though
I assume you are playing openxcom? Pre-primed grenades are part of the game. The option I'm talking about just remembers your inventory load-out for the pre-primed nades. If you think it's cheating, bring it up with the openxcom devs.

>>174259843
Definitely give more editing a shot. I'd rather see that than how the last few missions have had a lot of scooting slowly up right at the start.

What happened to writing a script with jokes?

>>174264035
bf1 is shit desu

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>>174264965
I like it for the weapons anon

>>174265213
I hate wrist rockets. Its not even futuristic its just dumb.