/sthg/ Sonic The Hedgehog General

Slow

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2nd for best girl

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FAST

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STANDING

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Continue posting redesigns!!

>>173373016
I kinda like it.
Definitely not the worst redesign I've seen.

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>>173373695
ON THE EDGE

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>>173373798
Googled Sonic Boom Redesigns, & got this.

>>173374090
I actually really like it, except Tails's horrifying hand tails.

Amy should have more of a magic motif. Her whole "tarot cards" thing has never been explored. It also explains the "hammer space" thing.

>>173373798
This person is taking their shitty redesign way too seriously. That is neither cute nor stylish. It's just generic noodle arm adventure time bullshit.

>>173374245
I actually find Sonic's fingerless gloves to be more odd than the hand tails, personally.

>>173374249
What'd he do?

>>173374249
You guys really need to let that go. He since admitted that he'd never even played a Sonic game, that he had no real idea what he was talking about and that other people like ShayMay and even Ryan Bloom had better ideas.

>>173374452
Too bad he can't go back in time and just not do it. Why did he even think it was a good idea to talk about shit he had no clue about?

>>173374452
>He since admitted that he'd never even played a Sonic game
Who? The person who drew that? I don't even know who it is, I just think that drawing looks like shit and I don't understand why I see it posted here so much.

>>173374530
Because other than the crappy redesigns, he had another point to make: that SEGA isn't focusing on the core audience that they need to, and that's adults. That's a valid point no matter what he was proposing.

He came at Sonic from a businessman's perspective, not a fan. But you need both to solve this mystery.

>>173374719
>and that's adults
I will forever disagree with this horseshit.
>but the kids that liked him then are adults now so they should pander to those adults
They should work on capturing kids today the same way they did back then. Doing that will capture both. The guy was 100% retarded and wrong.

>>173374678
To be fair, it's been a while since that design was posted here.

>>173374719
IMO, SEGA should focus on making good Sonic games, because that can appeal to both kids & adults.

>>173374719
>SEGA isn't focusing on the core audience that they need to, and that's adults.
Pandering to nostalgia is peanuts compared to autismal little kids who pester their parents to buy shit for them.

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Do you think Shadow will ever tell Sonic how he feels about him or is he too embarrassed?

>>173374901
>focus on games that appeal to kids and adults

That's what Nintendo does and it fucking works.
A western adult audience isn't going to give a fuck about cartoon hedgehogs. They want gritty dark shooters and super hero bullshit.
An eastern adult audience isn't going to give a fuck about something that isn't little anime girls.

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>>173374830
You refuse to accept this because historically, Sonic has always been for children. It's bright and colorful and doesn't have anything dark in it, and the idea that kids wouldn't be interested in such a game is so alien because you've been used to it for so long.

But the fact is that kids are not interested in 3D platformers. They're playing mobile games and Call Of Duty, as well as shovelware tie-in bullshit. Generations would not have sold as much as it did if it hadn't pandered to long-time fans. The opposite is true for Sonic Boom: it wouldn't have failed as hard as it did had it not slapped long-time fans in the face. People don't believe this or accept this, because the mobile market is so new and a lot of us don't pay attention or care about it. But it's very much relevant.

>>173374901
That's exactly my point though. When I say SEGA should be targeting adults, the immediate image that comes to mind for people like >>173375245 is guns and action, and that's a social phenomenon we have got to stop. Adults are interested in interesting and engaging gameplay, and Sonic games have failed to deliver that for years. Instead they focus on mind-numbingly boring bullshit that only children would find entertaining, because a child's perception of quality is much fucking lower.

>>173375393
>They want gritty dark shooters and super hero bullshit.
You realize this hasn't been true for about 5 years, right? Western adult gamers are getting kinda sick of gritty dark shooters and super hero bullshit. Wake up and smell the economic realities of the industry today.

>>173375245
>pandering to nostalgia
and yet this is something sega utterly fails at. every mario game is good with nostalgia mixed in. sonic games are now hit or miss with:
>no unlockable superform ingame
>no emerald special stages
>no shields except standard and electric, if that
>enemies are different every other game

I mean fuck, what mario game doesn't have goombas, koopa troopas, and bob-ombs? What mario game doesn't have mario have his appearance change from a power-up? Nintendo fucking delivers on nostalgia mixed with new stuff. We can barely get 3 good games in a row that are sequels or spinoffs of one set formula

>>173375370
Fuck off with your homoshit fag.

>>173376005
People are saying Sonic's gone too far with nostalgia, but reading your post, I realize they haven't gone far enough

>>173375663
>doesn't have anything dark in it
lel
>People don't believe this or accept this
Because it's wrong, stupid. Kids are glued to phones and tablets because it's an easy way for shitty parents to shut them up and not have to be parents for a while. Kids still and will always love video games, just like they did in previous generations. Sonic not being as successful these days compared to back then can be attributed to many factors, the biggest being that it's not a console mascot anymore. He's not as all over the place as he once was.
Implying kids don't enjoy good gameplay is not only insulting but wrong. If sonic games today captured the same magic as the older ones, it would capture a larger audience overall. You're just as out of touch as suits that think all video games should be simplified to that of mobile games.

>>173374719
The problem with that line of thinking is that adult Sonic fans already care about Sonic, and adult non-fans probably will never care about Sonic, so why bother changing what works? This is also the same fundamental reason why Boom failed, because the west already liked Sonic for what it was, so why bother changing what worked?

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>>173376161
K.

>>173373336
These overdesigned OCs need to stop. The most overdesigned thing about a character has to be their shoes or gloves.

>>173376836
Literally just Sonic with new gloves/shoes and some black/light blue paint on his fur.

>>173377025
This. All the shoes and gloves and shit should be as simple as Sonic. In fact, all the designs should be that simple

>>173376187
I like nostalgia when it's done right. Mania is 50/50. And I say that because I wanted completely original zones. No remixed versions if I see green hill zone one more fucking time . That and it reeks of "let the fans do the work since we at sega have no fucking clue what to do".

>>173376836
We postin' OCs now?

>>173377106
Shadow?

>>173374000
>So if we wear one of your pins. Would we be some sort of hidden in group gang of sorts?

We could form a secret gang. That does sound pretty rad.

>How do I contact you about the pins?
It's a print on demand site. I'd upload the design, then when 25 orders are placed the badges would go into production, and they'd all get shipped out to us. If we don't place 25 orders the badges are not made and we don't spend any money and the site doesn't print any badges.

It's literally just a case of 1/4 of the anons here can agree on a badge design we can get some made. Hell I could design 1 badge featuring bump/sage and the /sthg/ logo and we could just make that.

I didn't think of that because I'm retarded.

>>173377106
>>173377269
I actually thought it was Sonic when I posted it.

>>173377450
oh come on. it's even in the filename who the character is. I fapped to his fem-Ibliss

>>173377380
What were you planning to make the badges out of? If not metal, it might be more cost-effective for me to print an initial master out of ABS or PLA, finish it up and then cast it. Certainly easily doable, depending upon the size and level of detail, and it's not too difficult to cast with aluminium powders to give a metallic finish.

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>>173376248
>Because it's wrong, stupid.
I have a degree in sales and marketing. My arguments are based on actual trends and data. Yours are just a gut feeling based on what you see.

I'm not saying that kids are not playing Sonic. Some of them definitely are. Just look at the SEGA forums and tumblr. There is a pretty sizable audience of children and teens. But the audience for Sonic is definitely more adults than children, even if it's a small percentage. Because Sonic is not just a long-running franchise, he's also a recognizable retro brand from the 90s.

I'm also not saying that kids don't enjoy good gameplay. They do. But they also enjoy a lot of bullshit. The reason people hate the Werehog in Unleashed, or the platforming in Lost World, is not because it's broken or because it's slow, it's because it's boring and by-the-numbers. It's an objectively worse version of games we've already played. But kids enjoy that, because they have low standards. A 23-year-old like me does not. That's what I'm saying when I say that SEGA has only targeted children up to this point.

Sonic being all over the place isn't going to change things. It's hard to remember probably, but Sonic Boom was fucking huge when it was coming out. The marketing push behind it was everywhere and there was merchandise up the ass. And that did nothing to keep the comic, games and TV show from bombing in sales. The problem is that Sonic has no identity and it's not satisfying the niche that it needs to. The twitch-based rollercoaster gameplay of the Boost games may not be the niche we all want, but it IS a niche, something veteran gamers can associate with Sonic and ONLY Sonic. And that's why they do so well.

>You're just as out of touch as suits that think all video games should be simplified to that of mobile games.
There's something to be said for simplified gameplay. Sonic originally only used one button. If Mania only uses one button, it could hit the casual crowd as well as the hardcore.

>>173377582
I didn't read the filename until I posted it. Also,
>not posting the image

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>>173377670
>told you the artist
>the pic has ibliss in the name
>literally within the top 20 results
lazy or retarded, here you go

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>>173359390
This with Sally
http://m.imgur.com/gI140Sq

>>173366380
Man, don't sweat it. Life > random nerds on a Saskatchewan bread kneading forum.

>>173371545
I think I could find more outrage if she didn't post all her shit anyway.

>>173378053
I actually had the page open when I posted that.

>>173378057
Even so, you guys have been good to me. If I can't finish the Bump model, I'd at least like to print some for you lot. Call me a sentimental old fuck, but you lot are a fucking fun bunch to be around and it'd be really nice to be able to give back something to a group that, honestly, feels more like a bunch of friends to me at this point.

Anyways, time to take off the name and go back into lurk mode. I really should make some sort of means for people to get a hold of me if they need to.

>>173377641
>I have a degree in sales and marketing
That makes you being wrong even worse.
>But the audience for Sonic is definitely more adults than children
Because the quality dropped like a rock very soon after his golden age.
>But kids enjoy that, because they have low standards
I'll reference this in a second.
>to keep the comic, games and TV show from bombing in sales
Physical comic sales have been dropping universally.
The games were so awful that even the kids with low standards fucking hated it.
And while you say the TV show bombed, it didn't really. It's fairly popular overall and did great with kids. Too bad CN has a boner for TTG and nothing but TTG.
>There's something to be said for simplified gameplay. Sonic originally only used one button
Simple controls != simple gameplay
How did you graduate with how little you ask the question of "Why"?
If they aim a game at kids and make it good, it'll capture the adults that were kids when Sonic was objectively great. This isn't complex thinking. Sounds like my "gut feeling" is better than your education. I hope I'm not making you feel any regret in doing so.

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>>173377636
It's a min order print on demand site called Curiomill. I was initially thinking of soft enamel badges because they're one of the cheapest things they do. The only reason I'm considering using Curiomill is due to the safety system, ie if there's no interest no badges are made. Rather than the next best option being me laying out $270+ for a run of 100 with little to no chance of selling 1/4 of that. I'd rather leave it up to the community to decide if we do it, but I'd be willing to design them and everything.

Looking through the options though, soft enamel, hard enamel, embroidered patches mini toys and two sided coins are all options. I just figured it'd be cool if we had some form of /sthg/ physical thing, like a badge or something so we could be low key autists together. Holy shit I changed my mind I want coins with bump/sage on each side so we can flip a coin for shit.

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It's time for a Friday night themed round of: Dubs decide (who dis is)!

>>173378863
Amy

>>173378863
No dubs on /vg/.

>finally get a chance to open the Bump 3d model
>it's half a million polygons
>without the head
jesus. are that many really necessary for a printed model?

>>173378716
>Coins with Bump and Sage
>in /sthg/ we trust
Sign me the fuck up

>>173378863
Rouge

>>173378863
Flatten out the chest and make it Wave

>>173378863
Clove.

>>173378863
Best girl Amy

>>173378863
Sally

>>173378863
Blaze

Fuck, I completely missed the link to this thread.

>>173378863
Madonna

>>173378863
Honey

So how long until you dummies realize there's no dubs here outside of 00

HOW YOUR HEADS LOW

>>173378863
Shadow.

>>173378863
Seeing as how no one's gotten dubs yet, maybe you could try something else?

>>173378863
Vector

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tGXLVnILis

How far can you make it?

Can Sonic Lost World have pictures be posted on miiverse?

>>173378716
>coins
YES

>>173378930
We like detailed bumps I guess.

>>173378930
3Dbro here. I worked with subdivision modifiers in blender, if you're using something different

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>>173378610
>That makes you being wrong even worse.
Is this bait?
>Because the quality dropped like a rock very soon after his golden age.
Yes.....Your point? That doesn't invalidate what I said.
>Physical comic sales have been dropping universally.
The Boom comic ended after a measly 11 issues. And that's AFTER an attempted boost during the Worlds Unite crossover. That had nothing to do with the recent drop in sales because back in 2014, they were still pretty damn strong. The Boom brand was toxic, and the comic sucked for over half its run.
>The games were so awful that even the kids with low standards fucking hated it.
Had the game not been a glitchy mess, they likely would have. But even if it wasn't a glitchy mess, it's still a rudimentary shovelware platformer.
>It's fairly popular overall and did great with kids.
I've seen no evidence for how well it went over with its target audience. In fact, ratings from early 2015, barely a few weeks into its run, suggest they've been dropping steadily for the last two years.
>Too bad CN has a boner for TTG and nothing but TTG.
True, they haven't treated Boom with a lot of respect for about a year, but prior to late 2015 they hadn't adopted that boner yet. The show simply wasn't pulling numbers anything above decent. We all knew it wasn't going to last more than 2 seasons.
>If they aim a game at kids and make it good, it'll capture the adults that were kids when Sonic was objectively great.
You have a gross understanding of what "aiming for kids" and "aiming for adults" mean. Simply making a great game and ensuring top notch quality is aiming for adults. Aiming for kids is when you have low standards because you know that sales will be strong among the target audience regardless. I don't know why you keep arguing like we have different opinions when we really don't.
>Sounds like my "gut feeling" is better than your education. I hope I'm not making you feel any regret in doing so.
Aside from your douchey elitism at least.

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>>173378863
Not gonna get dubs because /vg/ but my vote's for Techno the Canary.
Not enough good fan art of her.

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Hey/sthg/
My sonic bathbomb came today. It came with a little melon candy too

>>173378904
>>173379440
>No dubs on /vg/.
Shit my bad anons.

New roll: First 7 decides who it is!

also: http://www.strawpoll.me/12699888
If we get enough people in for coins I'll do the design, because in /sthg/ we trust is a fucking great idea. Thanks >>173378930.

Maybe we should save the coins for #1000? I wouldn't mind doing designs for various milestones though. Like a '"I survived the ride" patch or 'Mania Release day' coins or some actually good ideas if anyone is interested.
I did totally want to do a coin for the next big /sthg/ anniversary, what is it though? 5 years anniversary? #1000 thread?

>>173380496
Are you gonna bathe with it?

>>173380554
Alright then! Amy.

>>173380554
Clove

>>173380554
sonic

>>173380554
Well then it should be Clove >>173379117

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>>173378930
>jesus. are that many really necessary for a printed model?
Yes. The higher the polygon count, the smoother the model will be out of the printer. In my (limited) spare time I'm working on some cosplay stuff for myself - I'm currently working on a chest piece that's two million polygons alone. So, again - a higher-resolution model will mean the print comes out more smoothly, especially when I'm printing in the range of six microns or lower per layer. If the model surface isn't smooth, that'll translate to a model with a rougher surface, which means more work post-processing with spot filler. You'll literally be able to see each layer and each polygon.

Pic related is the level of detail I'm used to working in for projects. As >>173380161 said, subsurfs are the way to go. Model in moderate detail, let the modifiers handle the heavy work. The reason the Bump model is proving difficult for me is due to one simple fact (aside from free time being scarce): I fucking suck at modelling organic shapes. Give me a gun, give me a robot, and I'll be able to make it look pretty good. Character models, a little more difficult. I'm learning, but it's slow going.

>>173378340
I love posts like this. Makes it all feel worthwhile. Anyway, best methods I've found is to set up a blog or join a Discord.

>>173380554
Not sure about the motto on the coin, but a coin is a great fucking idea.

Regarding the character, I'd vote Tails because I don't remember when was the last time we got fanart of him here.

>>173380647
Well there you have it.

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>>173380582
We shall see

>>173380232
>Aiming for kids is when you have low standards because you know that sales will be strong among the target audience regardless
This is why your education was a waste. Aiming for kids is making a game that is accessible. That's it. That does not mean a game cannot be good as well. Boost is not as accessible as the Genesis or Adventure games considering the reaction times and dexterity required for even just going through certain levels normally. Sonic could still be the legend it was before today if the games had remained accessible and of at least serviceable quality instead of having a losing streak and being locked behind either unintuitive control schemes on the wii or playstyles that kids aren't physically ready for.
If you didn't want hostility from me maybe you should have refrained from dickwaving your "degree" in an attempt to appeal to authority like it means anything other than that you're certified to shill.

>>173378716
>Bump/Sage coins
MAKE
THIS
HAPPEN

I'D PAY FOR IT NOW

>>173380758
> <6um per layer (less than a hair strand)
That's small. Never thought about those printers (at least home models) being able to reach that level of precision.

>>173380875
I'm not one to go after Eggman stuff but there should have been an Eggman one with the ball shaped as the Death Egg, or at least with a print or carving.

>>173380554
I really, really wish we could do all of these. I'd buy them all.

>>173378863
Zeena

>>173380554
see >>173380471

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>>173381197
You're a huge nerd, anon!

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>>173381551
Oh, that is fucking great.

>>173381432
I'll cop to that, sure. I'm a sucker for neat trinkets.

>>173381551
I swear that backless dress gets me going like nothing else.

>>173380880
>Aiming for kids is making a game that is accessible. That's it.
No, that's not it. There are a million different factors that go into choosing your target audience. What you're proposing is how you aim at casuals, not children. Making a game accessible is how you get non-gamers and old people, not just children. Children play CS:GO and that's one of the least accessible FPS games out there.
>Boost is not as accessible as the Genesis or Adventure games considering the reaction times and dexterity required for even just going through certain levels normally.
>kids aren't physically ready for.
Oh please. I can understand Unleashed, but Colors and Generations are accessible as fuck. Poor reaction times in Generations are rarely, if ever, punished by death. And you forget the boost is 100% optional. I've never once in my life seen a child that said the boost games were too hard. If anything, I've seen more adults complain the boost games are too hard and their reactions times aren't good enough, because we slow down as we get older.
>If you didn't want hostility from me maybe you should have refrained from dickwaving your "degree" in an attempt to appeal to authority like it means anything other than that you're certified to shill.
Literally the only point I was trying to make was that maybe you should have a bit of nuance and consider that I might know what I'm talking about instead of acting like the stubborn mule from Family Guy.
https://youtu.be/3yX_1gJ_51M
How many both educated AND non-educated individuals have to echo the exact same shit I'm saying before you finally cave in?

>>173380647
>>173379117

Double 7s confirmed. Clove it is!


>>173380787
>>173380937
>>173381197

I'm getting creeped out by all these 7s.
But yeah the way it works is if I design a coin and we all agree, I'll upload it to the print place and if we can get 25 orders they'll make the coins. I'll set them to the lowest price and they'll ship from the US so all you guys in america will get the best deal I think. I don't make any money so I'm not trying to scam anyone, I'll be ordering one just like you guys (except shipping to canada is probably stupid, but w/e it'll be awesome as fuck to get a coin.)

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requests? A warning, probably won't be as clean as this one depending on how many requests I get.

>>173381551
The sexiest part of a woman is thr back. Prove me wrong.

>>173381853
Cassia with a gun

>>173381853
Crying Sonic

>>173381740
Shit anon, let's make this happen. How long would it take to set this up?

>>173381853
Cheese pulling a gun on someone.

>>173381853
Annoyed Amy.

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>>173381934
I would argue that legs are better but they're both so good.

>>173381197
The more I think about it the more rad ideas I get. Like we could get a run of chaos emerald pin badges like the pokemon gym badges, or we could get coins for archie characters who got pendered or something. Like if we could scrounge together enough amyfags to get an amy coin or some shit made, we could do character coins.

I do like the idea of flipping an /sthg/ coin to make forum decisions though.

>>173382023
I'm busy this upcoming week but after that I can start making designs for both sides of the coin. If we have a frame of reference/could settle on some vague design points it'd go quicker. The main issue is once the design is uploaded how long it'd take to get a) the design to hit 25 orders b) the guys to make em and c) the actual coins shipped.

I only started reading up on it this morning but I'll put together a timeframe and keep you guys updated. If all goes well we could have em done and dusted before long and if it turns out good can use it as a test run and we can look at doing a second run for #1000.

>>173381691
>No, that's not it.
God damn you're fucking stupid.
What I propose is exactly how you create a game talored to children. When it comes to understanding and controlling a game, they are much the same as a casual with little understanding or an old person with either physical limitations or a mindset not suited for learning how to play video games. If you want an example please see Wii Sports. The controls were intuitive enough for literally anyone to play and the games featured had real life counterparts that most people already knew about and were simplified for those that didn't such as children. Don't talk about shit you don't understand and try to act like you're qualified with a sheet of paper.
>are accessible as fuck
You ignored the part where I made that statement relative to previous installments, stupid.

And we clearly are not agreeing seeing as your approach is to make game shit in order to appeal to kids instead of making games good but accessible. You could take some notes from Nintendo's legacy of great and accessible games that hold precious spots in people's hearts. I'll consider that you know what you're talking about when you stop spewing nonsense, you fucking hypocrite.

>>173381551
Her arm looks a little broken

>>173378863
Mina Mongoose

>>173382330
Can't exactly break a noodle.

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>>173378716
So wait. Are you like trying to like be a middle man on something custom from a website?

I don't know how I feel about this.

>>173382304
Is the coin made of actual metal, and how big is it?

>I do like the idea of flipping an /sthg/ coin to make forum decisions though.
Sage would totally rig that.

>>173380758
Outputting to a "final" mesh for the purpose of printing, yes a absurd poly count is necessary. Working with / distributing models to be worked on with a absurd poly count (Unless it genuinely just has that many fine details with individual wrinkles / screws and the like) is dumb.
It's way more wated effort to modify a set of polygons to be smooth when every polygon can screw the topology up when a lower poly model with a subdivided surface (OpenSubDiv subdivide, not split flat surfaces into the exact same surface with redundant polygons subdivide) can result in the same level of detail with way more editability.

Nothing grinds my gears more than getting a really high poly model and find out it really should be 1/12 the poly count when half the surface is one large flat side with 48 polygons.

>>173382741
Have a little faith, anon. This is one of the great little moments we can savor.

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>>173382315
>When it comes to understanding and controlling a game, they are much the same as a casual with little understanding or an old person with either physical limitations or a mindset not suited for learning how to play video games.
Good lord you're a douche. What was it you said earlier?
>>173376248
>Implying kids don't enjoy good gameplay is not only insulting but wrong.
You're the hypocrite here. What you just said is barbarically insulting. Either you never played games as a kid, or you are completely out of touch with the industry.
>You ignored the part where I made that statement relative to previous installments, stupid.
No, you literally said kids can't handle the boost games because they don't have the dexterity required to even get through a single level.
>your approach is to make game shit in order to appeal to kids instead of making games good but accessible.
I said "target adults who want strong engaging gameplay". How does that translate to "fuck accessibility"? Games should be good but accessible. And Generations is a good, accessible game. We have the same fucking opinion, you're just being hostile because you want to "win" an argument and act like my education and experience don't mean anything, which is frankly pathetic.
>I'll consider that you know what you're talking about when you stop spewing nonsense, you fucking hypocrite.
It's not nonsense when SEGA themselves are following what I and so many others have been saying for years. Are you saying that you know more than industry professionals with decades of experience behind their backs?

>>173382741
It's basically kickstarter.

I design a coin. I upload this design to a manufacturer website, you can check em out. They're called CurioMill. Once uploaded if 25 people order one they make em and send em out. Like you'd order them from an online shop. They make coins and badges specifically that's their thing. If we don't get 25 orders no coins are made. This is WAY more reliable than say me making them by hand and shipping them. You're going through a legit manufacturer. And again, if we don't get the interest they don't get made and you don't lose any money. I upload the design and I'd be a customer just like you ordering a coin. I want it to be awesome as much as you do.

>>173382898
>Is the coin made of actual metal, and how big is it?

>Coins
>Coins are normally made from metal, can be in any size, popularly ranging from 30mm to 70mm, single or double sided.

I wouldn't even think about it if they weren't metal. But we can decide on size, it'd affect price obviously.

>>173382963
Yeah, if I go into Edit mode with the model I posted, my computer chugs to hell and back; it's not intended to be 'worked on' as an editable mesh. No computer is good enough to render and allow that much detail to be edited on the fly. I tend to model up to roughly a quarter of the final polygon count, then apply modifiers to smooth things out, which was my plan for the Bump model. Model, up-res, then pose and slice for printing.

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>Cum.
>Feel intense shame as i close 50 tabs of hedgehog porn.
>Mfw.

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Someone wanted Cassia as Space Dandy on the idea wall.

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>>173383293
>>Coins are normally made from metal, can be in any size, popularly ranging from 30mm to 70mm, single or double sided.
Okay, they seem to know their shit.

>>173383893
That tenrec is gonna break his teeth.

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>>173380875
Well the water is blue. I don't feel super speedy though 0/10

>>173383192
How is it insulting? Depending on the age, a kid may or may not be able to adapt to certain controls or gameplay. I would not expect a child of age 7 or 8 to be able to beat DMC etc. etc.
>says I'm out of touch when he says that doing the exact same shit old suits have been doing and failing with is the correct course of action
What a joker.
>Boost is not as accessible as the Genesis or Adventure games considering the reaction times and dexterity required for even just going through certain levels normally
Ok. Where did I literally say kids can't handle Boost? Oh wait, you're a dipshit and I didn't. I said they aren't as accessible because of a higher reaction and dexterity based entry barrier. And while it isn't as high as DMC's, it's still higher than the Genesis or Adventure games, like I said in that exact post that you didn't even bother reading apparently.
>How does that translate to "fuck accessibility"?
Because you said that accessibility is not an issue in making games for kids right fucking here >>173381691
>No, that's not it. There are a million different factors that go into choosing your target audience. What you're proposing is how you aim at casuals, not children
>NOT CHILDREN
>And Generations is a good, accessible game
>let me continue to ignore how you made the statement relative and reply with more pointless shit, that'll show him

What's pathetic is the elitism you cried about me swinging around is very present in every one of your posts since.
>It's not nonsense when SEGA themselves are following what I and so many others have been saying for years Are you saying that you know more than industry professionals with decades of experience behind their backs?
No because they're not doing anything that you've said. Instead they have the same mentality I do and thank god for that. They're putting quality first and keeping games accessible so it appeals to both adults and children. Any other drivel you want to toss at me, Mr. PhD?

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>>173383974
L-lewd

>>173383974
Point the camera a little further to the right.

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>>173383974
I got a Sonic. Worth it

>>173384312
He's a cute.

>>173384184
Thats a rare tails, wheres it from?

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>>173384079
>Where did I literally say kids can't handle Boost? Oh wait, you're a dipshit and I didn't.
Actually you did.
>Aiming for kids is making a game that is accessible. That's it.
>Boost is not as accessible as the Genesis or Adventure games considering the reaction times and dexterity required for even just going through certain levels normally.
>being locked behind either unintuitive control schemes on the wii or playstyles that kids aren't physically ready for.
You know exactly what you were saying.
>Because you said that accessibility is not an issue in making games for kids right fucking here
That is not what I said. At all. I said there are a million different factors that go into choosing your target audience. Accessibility is ONE of those factors. But it's primarily how you get the casual crowd, not the hardcore. And I made my point that children make up a significant portion of the hardcore audience as well.
>No because they're not doing anything that you've said. Instead they have the same mentality I do and thank god for that.
Oh my god, you ARE retarded. Let's review:
>Mania is a deliberate throwback to the 90s Genesis titles deliberately designed to appeal to both non-Sonic fans that love retro style games and long-time Sonic fans that grew up with those titles
>Forces going back to the boost formula, the niche they had, instead of trying to copy whatever's popular with kids with each new game
>Classic Sonic pandering out the ass
>social media shitting on every badly-reviewed Sonic game that kids would've enjoyed
Yeah, they're appealing to adults. They have a fucking commercial exclusive to Adult Swim for christ's sake. This isn't just about the quality of their games, it's about their entire marketing strategy.

Christ, you are so fucking dense and childish. Even if I had never mentioned my education, you'd still act hostile for the sake of acting hostile when we really are not that different.

I'm done. Fuck off and grow up.

>>173385187
>>173384079
You're both tools and nobody cares.

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>>173385187
>>173384079
Can we have one thread without a shit-throwing fest between two tryhards

>>173383734
Nice!

>>173385726
It's just a samefag, ignore him

>>173384635
No clue, I saved it almost three years ago. Looks Japanese made.

>>173383346
For the model in the image, fair enough. Me personally I usually avoid going super high poly because I'm usually intending to animate them with other things on screen, plus weightmapping high poly models makes UV mapping a cakewalk in comparison.
For the bump model, maybe it's because I have a older verson of the model (I believe the one right before there were any notions of 3D printing them.) but it's a bit of a mess. Not hugely problematic, but enough I would probably want to redo the torso and maybe shoes if I were working on it. Even if i didn't have to try to port it from blender, it's clearly not a model set up to be 3D printed (the clothes are seperate from the torso, the sleeve is way too thin, etc.). Meaning I'd have to effectively almost completely remodel it anyway.

>>173373608
What is the meaning of this?

>>173386406
I'd intended on fixing a lot of the issues with boolean modifiers, but whatever you fancy.

If you need me via Discord, I'm reachable at Cherrybomb#4392

>>173385187
>Fuck off and grow up
Take your own advice. I'm not even gonna bother humoring your retardation after seeing you say something literally wrong with
>Actually you did.
Your degree is apparently made of toilet paper if your education left you this stupid and clueless.

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How come nobody ever talks about this?

>>173386621
You're both faggots.

Him for flaunting his degree like he's hot shit and you for spouting non-arguments all over the place.

>>173386406
3Dbro started on it before Printbro came along, so it wasn't originally intended on being 3D printed, no.

Do what you can, anon.

>>173386643
Because it sucked, I guess.

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>>173379117
>>173381740
>Clove

And Clove wins the notDubs Decide who Dis: Friday Night edition!

Thanks for playing folks. Sorry I can't come with anything more entertaining.

>>173386761
Oh yeah, all those non-arguments after the actual arguments that blew him and his degree the fuck out.

>>173386643
Because this general is filled with Nu-Sonic fans?
I dunno. It doesn't suck. Just that I asked folks before if they wanted me to stream but they didn't ask for it.

>>173386871
Not really. But I suggest you get a room since you both want to buttfuck each other so bad.

>>173386824
Kek

>>173386643
I honestly don't remember much about this game.

>>173386871
No one cares.

>>173386956
Then why did you reply?

>>173386643
I haven't seen my game gear in ages.

>>173386643
Because the re-releases have all been the Game Gear version and all the Game Gear versions of Master System games have sucked ass due to lower resolution. The Master System version is pretty good, but the Master System as a whole is probably the most niche platform among Sonic fans.

>>173386761
>Implying it's multiple poeple and not just one anon samefagging

>>173386956
First game where the Chaos Emeralds are collected via Special Stage instead of in the actual zones, the first to feature the Spin Dash, and also the first to allow you to play as Tails.

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What's with this fucking look?

>>173378863
Eggman.

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>>173386871
You're arguing over a blue hedgehog. Get over yourself.

>>173387063
Don't bother with him. He's trying too hard to derail the thread.

So /sthg/, what's the most obscure Sonic game you can think of?

>>173386824
neat

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>>173386406
So are you still not able to get it back to low poly or what? This is the only file I or anybody else has released, afaik

Wasn't originally intended for 3D printing, more just for fucking around in blender with. As I'm sure you've seen, I'm no professional.

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>>173382000
>>173382023

taking out two birds with one stone. Sorry if it took too long.

>>173387173
Sonic Unleashed for mobile

>>173387048
Sonic picks his nose. He a gross.

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>>173387063
>>173387173
Fuck I want a Tails Adventure sequel that plays like Arkham Asylum.

>>173387302
Speaking of unleashed, why was the wii port so terrible?

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>>173382018

>>173387326
That sounds like a horrible idea.

>>173387262
Now I want to see Cheese beating Knuckles in an arm wrestling.

>>173387359
Wii and PS2 couldn't handle the Hedgehog Engine, but the Wii and PS2 still had huge market share that they didn't want to abandon, so they outsourced different level design to Dimps. This is similar to how they figured the Wii couldn't handle Sonic 06 so they spun off half the dev team to make Secret Rings instead. Funny enough, I honestly prefer how boost worked in the WiiS2 version.

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>>173382047
Aaaand there we go.

>>173386824
Nice. Thanks Rik!

And hopefully Penders won't try to sue if any preboot characters get made into coins.

>>173387527
probably better than sonic boom

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>>173384184
>>173384635
>>173386151
Fukin found https://e621.net/post/show/250826

>>173387527
It's just a Metroidvania, which is what TA was. Just with more stealth. I'm imagining Tails taking out Battle Birds using the T-pup from the shadows while Battle Lord yells over the intercom.

>>173386824
dat shit eating grin

>>173387228
I managed it - just remove the relevant modifiers.

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I can't believe I'm already at 94 out of 100 pictures on my Miiverse. It's stupid how there can't be more room for that.

>>173387623
Lewd!

>>173386595
Probably only due to a massive case of self inflicted autism, I personally avoid bootleaning things together. Doing that always seems to make meshes either a unoptimised ugly mess, or so unuseable that I wind up having to put it together manually anyway.

>>173387228
I was refering to the vest in that post when referring to the high poly, and when I said problems, I was thinking more pocket boobs and the fine details that would be lost on a 3D printer. (Although I'm not privy to what kind of 3D printer these were going to be printed on, so that worry might be unfounded.) (Plus any time not wrestling with blender is a good time as far as I'm concerned.)

>>173387586
That is fucking cute! Thanks.

Sonic the Hedgehog: Shattered Dimensions when?

>>173387450
Somebody stole his chilidog.

>>173383734
Good job, anon

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Hey Faggots,

My name is Arin, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, autistic, no-lifes who spend every second of their day playing stupid ass Sonic games. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of Mario because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to fetish porn.

Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was founder of Game Grumps, and animator on my own rap group. What hobbies do you have, other than “jack off to naked drawn furries”? I also get straight shill money, and have a banging hot wife (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.

Pic Related: It’s me and my alien

>>173380875
>pshhhhhhhh

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>>173388059
>Pic Related: It’s me and my alien

>>173387463
Itchy rat.

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>>173387549

>>173387747
Booleans are a starting point for joining things up, but they're not strictly necessary for printable parts. As for the vest/overhangs and such, don't worry about it too much. I'd actually planned to print her nude and provide clothing patterns.

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>>173388467
Perfect

>>173387773
What universes would they use?

>>173388985
All of them.

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Goodnight guys.

>>173389051
Eww.

>>173389042
Night

>>173389051
>picks boogers
Nasty. I bet she eats them too.

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Some rough coin concepts. Now I'm gonna crash. Night /sthg/

>>173389382
They're all cute.

The ones from the side remind me of Beavis and Butt-head

>>173389382
I like the bottom two best.

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> Hey kid, wanna /ss/?

>>173389730
There's not enough porn of Tails being feminized.

>>173389051
DELET

>>173389382
The third row's rings around the character art with the text should be gold.

>>173389730
I need the sauce to this fucking yesterday.

>>173390390
Itchy. Rat.

>>173389051
Weird. Seems more like something Sage would do.

>>173389730
It's odd that only Sonic Doujins really seem to appeal to my lipstick fetish.

>>173390686
Itchy filthy rat

>>173390304
It's just a shitty Tojyo doujin.

>>173390749
>>173390971
Why does Sonic not use soap?

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>>173391169
He takes fast showers so he doesn't use soap. He just rinses then drys off.

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>>173391169
>>173391295
He hasn't used soap since SA2.

>>173391169
Sonic probably doesn't shower often.

https://youtu.be/fsGRbwIG8ZA
Link is the true Knight of the Wind

>>173389382
You really liked the coin idea, didn't you?

These are all great, honestly. The one I like the least is the third one, though. But I think having an outer ring like in it is a good idea, they look like medals without that, instead of coins.

>>173391396
16 years without soap. Disgusting.

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>>173391396

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>>173391295
YO DID SONIC JUST DO THE DAB?

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>>173393214
No

>>173393337
Nani?

>>173393337
What's the romaji for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh9oLs67Cw&t=24m20s

I...I think I found him.

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>>173393423

what's the haps my /sthg/ peeps

>>173395835
/sthg/ is dead.

>>173396015
pls no bully us

>>173376248
Kids are different now, kids don't like being challenged. We didn't like being challenged as kids, but we didn't had much of a choice.

Kids WILL actively chose an easy garbage mobile game that requires no skill over a high quality console game that is more challenging. Or a low quality shovelware. And you would too if you were a kid growing up in this era.

On the other hand. Pre-teens and teens will always go for dark gritty stuff, and even if they watch and cartoons or play less serious games because they saw their favorite youtuber play them, they will still take them seriously, and see the dark and serious side of it, rather than the light-hearted one.

It's only when you become an adult that you stop giving a fuck and start enjoying things for what they are. We've all gone trough these phases, it's not that kids now are stupider, it's just that now they have choices.

>>173396076
>5 hours ago

>>173396076
Drop. It.

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>>173375370
>>173376161
>>173376569

>>173378610
>>173380880
>>173384079
Most Sonic fans that didn't grew up with the 2D games prefer the 3D games to the 2D games. And that includes all the boost games.

Take that into account next time you argue about game design and how to capture younger audiences.

>>173396414
>>173396468
No >:(

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>>173375370
>>173376161
>>173376569
>>173396632
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1flh3vYD5ez

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>>173396015
>>173396067

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>>173397047

>>173397047
Kek

>>173397184
Can you fill up the text so it's easier to see?

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>>173397047

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>>173397047
Why does every graspy voice sounds like Solid Snake?

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I'm not gay but thers something about sonic in clothes...

>>173397257
Not mine.

>>173397331
I've been told my Shadow voice sounds more like Snake. Personally I don't hear it.

https://animal-planet-official.tumblr.com/post/149849285215/notices-your-bulge

>>173387623
dope

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Has /sthg/ ever went to a stream that was from someone on /sthg/ and discussed about the game/Series and had a good time?

I think we as a community should gather round and pick up a favorite game and stream it and watch. Provide tips and tricks to those who are newcomers and those who are veterans show us the ropes.

>>173398171
It would just be filled with shitposting while the thread itself got no attention at all.

>>173398171
That is a nice idea. But some would probably have a problem with us discussing shit outside of the thread.

>>173398409
Moving generals to chat rooms or other pages would make the admins happy i'm sure.

>>173398171
There was this one time a guy was streaming Sonic Rush and the Sonic_Official user came onto the channel. Which I guess is one of the Sega PR Staff?
It was very chill

>>173374245
Tails' tails are the most impossible thing I've seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=713dEmJF_tc

So when is that mobile port of 3&K coming out?

>>173399193
July 30th

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>>173399193
In my research about it, I came across this.

https://www.sonicretro.org/2015/02/regarding-sonic-3-guest-post-by-stealth/

>Personally, I had envisioned moving straight from Sonic 2 to Sonic 3 (& Knuckles) to complete the full trilogy, and then moving forward from there. I was (and still am) of the mind that “classic Sonic” should be revived as a separate branch of the franchise, running concurrently with the modern games from Sonic Team, and that this branch should be “true-to-form” as opposed to the changes seen in Sonic 4, using visual, gameplay, and design elements that mesh much more closely with the Genesis originals while still taking advantage of the modern benefits of looser color restrictions, blending, rotation, and otherwise greater processing power. I would have loved and would still love to be directly involved in the creation of this branch, and were I given the chance, I would exhibit the same care and quality that went into the existing remasters.

This tells me Sonic Mania was actually Stealth's idea, and SEGA is testing the waters for that separate branch to happen.

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>>173399193
>>173399246
And when are those coming out on PC?

>>173400168
Hahahaha! You are funny, anon.

>>173400168
Just emulate them.

Could Sonic us Chaos Blast?

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>>173402627
I'LL USE YOUR-
CHAAOOOOS BLASTT.

finally a new adventure game
http://www.tssznews.com/2017/04/07/gameloft-screw-up-confirms-existence-of-sonic-runners-adventure/

>>173403928
Oh boy, I sure can't wait. Roulette and mobile aside, Runners' gameplay wasn't entirely atrocious.

>>173403401
You're not even good enough to be my f- I'LL MAKE YOU EAT THOSE WORDS

>>173387747
>>173387228

Ok. So the Bump model wasn't meant to be 3d printed? If Printbro comes back, I'll need specific pointers on making a new original model that would come out well when printed.

>>173407646
wait no. scratch that. my pc would probably explode trying to make something with millions of polys. sorry for being confusing. I just woke up

How about this? What Sonic pc port has easy (or the easiest) to use mod tools? I'll make a few models for that game granted the models don't go above 100K

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Ohshima doodles.

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>>173373336

>>173383734
Nice work

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>>173408154
Sonic gets shit for being 90's but his design is mostly timeless. You can see the comparison with other extreme designs.

>>173409550
This was pretty neat the first twenty or so times it was posted, now I'm getting to the point I don't give two fucks about it anymore.

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>I'm going to do what no other scientist has ever done!
>Prove climate change is real?
I love how redpilled this show is.

>>173402627
If he wanted to, yes. But controlling chaos like that, especially dark chaos, isn't his thing.

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>>173373798

>>173411157
isn't it real, but they can't agree on what's causing it.

>>173410186
Yeah I never really understood why people say he seems very 90s. He used to act like he was from the 90s in the tv shows but he didn't carry that over. I think that's why they changed Amy's design from CD. It look really 90s

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>>173411487
WHERE
IS
OMEGA

>>173389051
Kayla na ?

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>>173381853
Today is actually my birthday so maybe Sticks blowing out birthday candles?

>>173411504
Yeah, climate change has occurred throughout history. Even as recently as the 17th century there was a period known as the 'little ice age'. While I think that us chucking a load of chemicals in the air probably has made the planet warmer (or perhaps colder because clouds deflect sunlight... it's complicated), it's not like nature doesn't fuck us over without industrialisation.

>>173412471
Omega can't have /ss/ with Rouge so Bigdad isn't bothering with him.

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Oh little hedgehog, why do you run ?

What is the nature of fast? is it a state of mind ? Why is fast something you've gotta go ?

how can you be both this, and this ?

what are the mysteries you do hold , little hedgehog? these are the questions whose answers we must seek... together.

Fun is infinite

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Redesigns you say?

>>173381853
Tikal punching lien-da and calling her the inferior echidna ;^)

>>173412857
To be truly free, you have to just get up and go. Run. Run with the wind. It doesn't matter where you're going, as long as your going where the wind takes you. Faster and faster, nothing can hold you back. Nothing can stop you. You just have to keep on running, keep on moving, never stop for anything or anyone. If you have time to worry, then just lift your head and run. Nothing starts until you take action. Your only master is the wind that blows freely. You just have to keep going and break through all the barriers in life. The Sound Barrier, the Light Barrier, the Time Barrier, the Dimensional Barrier, the Speed Barrier, the Barrier Barrier, the Life Barrier, the Death Barrier, ALL the barriers... shatter them. Break right through, cause you have no limit.

Gotta Go Fast.

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What if Miles...

>>173389382
I like the bottom the best.

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>>173413469
TOO FURRY

>>173413469
Wasn't such a prick.

>>173403928
Oh god, it's real. I hope you guys are ready for a level of jewness rarely seen.

>>173409026
Far too sexy to be allowed.

>>173412857
There's a major hint for Forces in this.

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Today I discovered a new thing which I guess is a fetish? But I had legit never seen anyone draw art of characters getting flattened before.

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This doesn't even look like it's a sexual thing it just seems like everyone looks like Taffy from Clay Fighter or something. There are a bunch of DA groups dedicated to this.

I mean sure it's DA trash, but it's relatively harmless. It's insane that the internet has managed to let people like this not only meet but form communities.

Sometimes the internet is a wonderfully beautiful, terrifying concept.

>>173414072
>>173414208
There's a fetish for everything, grasshopper.

>>173414072
I shouldn't ask but where does being flattened stem from?

I'm sure a lot of older cartoon gags are to blame for all these odd fetishes we see today

>>173414208
Is it even sexual though? I mean one assumes so but is it not possible that it's just a style thing? Maybe I'm just reaching to avoid coming to terms with the fact that someone would fap to this.

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>>173414363
Flat Stanley?

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>>173414208
Nigga. You know that major parlor trick where there's a box and you "cut someone in half". My friend fucking gets off to that. Cartoony missing limbs, headless horseman type shit.

I found a fetish for sneezing and blinking. I'm sure there's a fetish for breathing as well. Whatever you think of, there's a fucking fetish for it.

My fetish happens to be things that are fast

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>>173414072
>>173414208
Well the internet is an odd yet fascinating place.

I will say though this really is one of those fetishes that doesn't really disturb me due to how, what's the word I'm looking for...."tame" it is. At least that's how I look at it and whether or not it's tame or not depends on the artist drawing the piece.

Personally between you and me I loves me some Flat Sticks

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>>173414072
>>173414208

First day on the internet, champ?

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>>173414747
>>173414208
>>173414072

>tfw no Paper Sonic game.

>>173415024
>Paper Sonic

Not sure Blaze could be made much flatter

>>173415024
that series really has gone down hill.
a Paper Mario & Sonic game could be a lot of fun.

>>173415146
HA

Let's be real here for a second /sthg/.

Sonic Battle is the best written game in the franchise.
Windy and Ripply is Jun Senoue's magnum opus
Tony Harnell is a better singer than Johnny Gioeli
Boost games can work without boost
Wisps need to go away for the future of this franchise
Knuckles objectively cannot work in 3D action stages unless you remove or greatly nerf (Sonic Heroes) his ability to glide

>Ken Penders outright saying Asian people can't act
Wew lad

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>>173415146
Wanna bet?

>>173415274
Agree'd.

>>173415274
>Boost games can work without boost
I guess but it would be like playing mario kart without the items.


>Knuckles objectively cannot work in 3D action stages unless you remove or greatly nerf (Sonic Heroes) his ability to glide

depends there are ways around it.
>design the levels to be cavernous or with walls that stop you from climbing over the top, like Cannons core
>or put obstacles in the way, like cannons core again
>or accept the levels will be non-linear and keep them the same as SA1/2, just create objectives instead of shard hunting.

Sonic 06 is also an example just not a good one.

>>173415274
>remove his ability to glide
Do you mean wall climbing? Gliding doesn't really hurt if you build the levels around it.

>>173415326
Post the tweet mate.

It'd be kinda hilarious if we spread that to SJWs everywhere so they get outraged at him.

>>173415274
>Sonic Battle is the best written game in the franchise
I would agree if it weren't for Amy, that is her worst portrayal behind Free Riders in my opinion.