Peter Moore told Sonic creator Yuji Naka to "fuck off"

tldr

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

Sega wasn't even THE BEST EVAR at the absolute best of times.

Even at their highest, most positive reputation, they were always the lovable underdog.

Even the most die-hard Sega fanboy has to admit they're kinda screw-ups these days.

>>373243516
That fucking piece of shit is the fucking reason why SEGA was seen as a "grandpa" in the first place, instead of bringing all the cool JRPG that where the shit in the mid 90s he decided to only put sport and actions games on the Saturn, in Japan the Saturn was head to head with the PlayStation because all of the amazing games it had.
Peter Moore can go and die choking on a dick along Liverpool.
Liverpool of all places FUCKING KEK they go hand to hand

>>373244795

He had nothing to do with the Saturn. The Saturn was already failing and SEGA hired Peter to come in and help them launch the Dreamcast.

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What happened to Yuji Naka anyway? He made that weird wii cardboard game and then proceed to disappear off the planet...

What an asswipe.

>>373245428

He made Rodea the Sky Soldier, and nothing since.

>>373245428
He goes drinking with the current head of Sonic Team occasionally

>>373243516
Serves him right for Sonic X-treme.

>>373244795
He is the reason sega was popular in the states in the first place

The place that was keeping the dreamcast afoot you idiot

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>"Well, I got a call from a recruiter saying, "What do you know about video games?" And I said, "Who's asking?" "Well," he said, "There's an interesting opportunity at Sega"' and I said, "Well, Sega, it's funny you say that, because the only thing I know about video games is that I bought my son a Sega Saturn for $499, and I go to buy him games, like, a year later, and they're not making games for it anymore."

Peter Moore truly was the end of Sega. You can claim bad business decisions all you want but the fucker literally handed Sega IPs to Microsoft as he went to work with them after ditching Sega.

>>373246072

And in the process, he killed Crazy Taxi, JSR, Panzer Dragoon, and Toejam and Earl.

Good job asswipe.

>Telling someone to fuck off

Okay, that's a way to instantly lose respect for me.

I'm not saying Sega's perfect either, they're struggling and they're barely standing. They remind me of an old man with Alzheimer. Some times, I even question their decisions and reasonings. That doesn't mean they haven't made some solid games, but some of them are also tremendously overrated. Their consoles were solid too while it lasted. I don't think they have any plans to make a comeback either what with all the competition.

Nowadays, all I care about them now is fucking Puyo Puyo (for some reason, I can't even get myself excited for a modern Sonic game nowadays) and that wasn't even theirs to begin with. And only just now they've decided to launch anything overseas even though it's a popular series in Japan for instance.

>>373243516

Riveting tale chap

>>373243516
sounds like /our guy/

>>373245985
Kalinske was the reason Sega was cool.

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they should make like a movie or something that retells the story of sega when they were in the console market. i swear some of the retarded shit they did is fucking hilarious and sad

>>373246896

I'd watch that. Especially if it shows how many times Sega of Japan fucked things over for the American branch and showed absolutely no remorse.

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>>373246978
imagine a world where sega of japan made the games and sega of america made the business decisions

>Angry American businessman clashes with a stuck-up Samurai businessman over a shitty brand
Sounds about right

>>373247412

Sounds too good to be true. Cuz it is.

This really changes my opinions on the man who has been the face of videogaming cancer for the last 15 years

Oh, wait

>>373243516
This makes me sad

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>>373245991
FUCKING DECIMATED

>>373245428
He made that one Wii game, the Wii version (good version) of Rodea, some mobile games and that's it. Nowadays he just goes to promotional events and arcades with his two kids and plays Pokemon Go, meanwhile Takashi Izuka is shitting on the franchise Yuji Naka started.

Well, at least he did well with the Xbox 360 2005-2008.

Yuji Naka was the only thing that made Sonic Games good, once he left, it all came tumbling down

>>373243516
>big personality
>EA

hahahahahahahahaha ha!

>>373243516
>Yuji Naka, Naka-san, maker of Sonic, is in the room
Naoto Ohshima created Sonic, not Naka.

>>373251221

But he was there for Sonic Heroes, Shadow, and supervised half of the development of '06. Sonic turned shit long before he left.

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>>373246354
Lol, did you ever actually play Crazy Taxi 2 and Crazy Taxi 3? They fucking sucked dick.

Toejam and Earl was dogshit at making the jump to 3d, Panzer Dragoon was a fucking rail shooter, and Jet Set was just Tony Hawk without the good controls and fun combo system.

Tell me why every Sega can't make a good Sonic game to save their lives?

Yes, the new one looks like uninspired trash.

Is it just a money-laundering operation?

>>373251407
That's mostly SEGA's fault, and SEGA's fault for rushing Sonic Team to shart out an unfinished 06

You could probably say the same thing about EA. Oh wait no you couldn't they were always dog shit and survive purely off of fucking normies who buy FIFA every year.

>in 2001

Sonic was already autistic furfag territory by then, of course people would tell them to fuck off with their GOTTAGOFAST blue hedgehog.

Sega Japan and USA have always hated each other, though. US is a PC publisher and Japan are Sony's bitches, just like everyone else in the Japanese game industry.

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>>373251538
Blame Iizuka, everything wrong with modern Sonic is his fault

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>>373243516

>Kotaku article from 2008 resurfaces nearly 10 years later as new news

>>373251689
Elaborate.

>>373246497
oh shit bet he'll be hurt he's lost your respect

>>373251274

Not according to Naka's ego

>>373251571

Every Sonic game ever developed was rushed. Sonic 06 is no different.

Every sonic game is shit. Every single one.

>>373252079
git gud

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>>373244795

You fucking moron. Bernie Stolar was the one ien charge during that debacle. Peter Moore came in during the Dreamcast era.

>>373252079
>2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

There are 2 good sonic games in existence
-Sonic Adventure
-Sonic Adventure 2

>>373246497
>Okay, that's a way to instantly lose respect for me.

Your respect means nothing

>>373243516

I guess the twitter bantz were too real for him to handle.

>>373245991
>not importing Saturn games
What a faggot.

>>373243516
Yeah, right. SoA were the ones saving Sega in late 90s, sure.

>>373251741
That's because OP is a neogaf fag

>>373252418
Respect means everything
Just because you lack it, doesn't mean you can count anyone else's as worthless

>>373243516
>EA
>Big personality
WWWWWwWWWwwWWWWwW

Sega had a hard life.

ANSWER MY QUESTION SONIKEKS???

WHY IS THE SONIC SERIES SO PATHETIC? WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE SCENES?

>>373251538

>>373252564

Doesn't mean jack shit if you aren't worth anything. Especially if you spend your time throwing your garbage opinions on an anonymous chinese image board.

Yuji Naka is not a respectable figure anyways. He was an arrogant child that would throw a tantrum if he didn't get his way. It's not surprising that someone didn't take his shit and told him to fuck off.

>>373252650

You're gonna have to explain how it isn't true.

They come in, they're loud, they're obnoxious, nobody actually really likes them.

But they're still one of the top publishers and people won't stop buying their shit.

>>373251407

Don't forget he turned PSO from a great Diablo-clone in space into a shitty TCG.

>>373252731
Back to digging ditches Pete. Breaks over.

>>373246497
>, they're struggling and they're barely standing.

huh? they are doing fine financially

>>373243516
>And so we asked the focus group, a bunch of 18-, 19-year-olds, a classic question, 'If a video game publisher was a relative or a friend, who would they be?'
how the fuck is that a classic question

>>373252731
Take yourself out of this equation
Your bias has no place, your attitude is foul and your arguments hold no water

The problem here is you

>>373243516
>Yuji Naka
>Sonic creator
He's just a glorified code monkey who ended up taking all the credit.

>>373246497

>Okay, that's a way to instantly lose respect for me.

Ugh.

>>373252821
>Big personality = sales
Sure, the analogy itself is flawed and quite frankly so is the whole videogame/relative comparison.

>>373252991

What in Gods name are you even trying to say?

Your respect for Peter Moore has as much worth as your value as a human.

If you aren't worth shit, neither is your respect.

>>373252821
Calm down and take your meds Peter.

>>373253257
Can you just not?

Kalinske > Moore > Stolar

prove me wrong

>>373246896
what the hell is a game machine jukebox

>>373253270

That's exactly what it equals. They have the numbers thanks to their presence in the industry.

Every time some horseshit article like this comes out, you morons always judge it based on how /v/ perceives the industry. We all fucking hate EA, but your general consumer does not.

>>373253583
Game machines & jukeboxes

>>373253375

Oh, boy...

>>373243516
>Peter Moore told Sonic creator Yuji Naka to "fuck off"
Satisfying

>>373253738
when you put it that way it makes marginally more sense

>>373246735
>was even called "Uncle Al" by people in the industry.

Sega of the early 90s was a thing of beauty in how they capitalized on all of Nintendo's mistakes and fumbles. Shame they started shooting themselves in the face starting around 1994 and just kept going downhill from there.

Virtually nothing matched Sega's attack ads on Nintendo during the 16 bit wars. I had a SNES before I got a Genesis years later and I still thought the ads were hilarious.

>>373251434
How early was that statement? Nintendo was basically a monopoly back in the 80's, so that reaction wasn't too farfetched.

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>>373253583
you never been to the arcades before senpai

>>373243516
Holy fuck. Based as fuck.

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How are there people that still idolize Yuji Naka?

>>373246497
>Okay, that's a way to instantly lose respect for me.
respect is how nobodies take solace that they have at least some imaginary power over more important people.

Protip: This is why Sega dropped out of the console race. Peter Moore is a scumbucket but he knows his fucking business.

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w-wrong kid still died

>>373251538
>>373251538
>>373251538
>>373251538

>>373253319
Let me clear up some confusion
I, me, am not the guy who said they lost respect for Peter Moore

I'm talking to you--or that other guy--that respect is not important

If you disagree, you're devoid of morals; devoid of being a functioning human capable of reason
Respect is everything--if you don't receive respect, it's because you don't show it enough
If anyone isn't worth shit, consider it as a fact that it'd be yourself as you lack respect--respect for yourself

You keep throwing around how "if you're not worth anything, your respect means nothing"
I'm explaining that you need to take yourself, the being that lacks respect for oneself, out of the equation
You are the problem, there's nothing wrong with the reasoning I'm attempting to get across to you
You need to be corrected on this and if you desire to ignore it, let me end on saying that I am trying to get through to you on a personal level and not as some intelligent blue box on on your screen, giving you a (You)

You don't even have to respond to me, just acknowledge what I'm saying

It's important

>>373252234
Too bad I'm 20 and not blinded by stupid nostalgia.

>>373251252
remember friend, this was back in 2001/2, when they were GOOD

>>373243516
>Peter Moore
>same shitstain that killed Sega during Dreamcast era by blocking tons of Japanese games and not doing anything about piracy
>same shitstain that used the Dreamcast to test the waters for when he moved to Microsoft
>Same shitstain that purposely killed the dreamcast to help Microsoft's new Xbox console

>>373251538
>Is it just a money-laundering operation?

most of their income comes from cash registers

It's safe to say the Japanese killed Sega, because they completely were full of themselves

>>373254159
This.

Japan and NA branches were in constant slap fights. Just look at the mess behind Sonic X-treme.

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>SEGA's arrogance and refusal to listen to anyone not from their Japanese headquarters is what got them into the mess they were in after the Genesis
>Peter is hired to try to turn things around in the west
>Tells them SEGA is fading into irrelevance
>SEGA's golden boy who has been pampered to hell accuses him of being a liar
>SEGA gets out of the console business shortly after

>>373254056
>EA
>good
>in 2001-2002
Funny how you say that.

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>>373254056
EA was never good

>>373254159
>>373254264
that really doesn't sound like a Japanese thing to do
you should watch any fighting game tournament

>>373254039
Your opinion is worth shit kid

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>>373253797
It was the Trump era of marketing success

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>>373245991

>>373254264
Naka refused to give the code or something like that?

If his name was in the credits for that engine what difference would it make?

>>373254379
t. Christian

>>373243516
>Sega. Yeah, that's your grandad. Used to be cool, but even he can't remember why anymore."
Oof. The truth hurts like nothing else.

>>373243516
>2002
>'This is ridiculous. You have made them say this. Sega is the great brand, nobody would ever say this, you have falsified!'.

Insane that he could think that during 2001/2002. That's 14 years after their only successful console and in the midst of two consecutive failures. After making the most expensive game(Shenmue) made only 1 million sales and their main IP, Sonic smaller than multiple IPs of third party and competing(Nintendo, Sony) IP.

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>>373254276

>Implying

>>373254707
>implying implications

>>373243516
>Moving to Liverpoop

Someone post THAT webm

So Sega is WCW?

>>373254760
>implying the implications of the former implications were implied

>>373243516
>'There's no expression in Japanese.' I said, 'I know there is.'

I can't think of one. How do you teel somebody to fuck off in japanese?

>>373254954
>implying the implications of the former implications were implied as well as those other implications that you have implied

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>>373255043
"damare" ("shut up" very rudely) or "kiero" ("leave" "go away") would probably be closest

>>373254606
Sega of Japan hated Sega of America for being much more successful than them so they were going out of their way to cockblock them even though it hurt the company as a whole.

This infighting lasted all the way to the 2000s where SoJ purposely let the English language versions of PSO and PSU burn rather than actually keep them up to date with patches and events. Now they simply don't release English versions of new games in the series at all because fuck you.

>>373255347
not sure why it posted that image

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>>373255049
>I'm out of implications but I want to preserve this magic moment with you

>>373254056
Only time EA was good was back in the early 90s before their world domination plans took fruit. When they were just home computer and Genesis developers basically.

A Sega bashing thread? What fucking year is this?

>>373249527
>Decimated
>removed 1/10
>still 9/10 left
That doesn't really sound crippling.

>>373255615
Try reading the thread before you spout nonsense.

>>373255804
Take your own advice.

Sega is stupid, news at 11.

>>373251252

EA was dope in 2001

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>people unironically think EA was ever good

W E W

Sonic was always good

>>373255412
>Sony literally had to babysit sega into making some good decisions

Really boggles my mind that a company like them could still exist but I guess Sega of America is still carrying them financially with Football manager/Warhammer/Total war

>>373256272
thats sega of europe, sega of america is pretty much dead

So this is what Johnny England has come to...

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>>373256203

>Underage faggots from r/4chan trying to fit in

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>>373243516
>if you were a shoe marketer you were perfect for video games, because you were talking to teenage boys.

>>373256462
That's... not a good game.

>>373256462
lol this nigga retarded!!!!

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>>373256504

>>373256210
>always

You're wearing rose colored contacts at this point.

>>373256736
Your post was never good

>>373256729
Moonwalker is a good Shinobi light, but that ain't published by EA either.
If you want good Genny EA games mention Road Rash, General Chaos or Mutant League or something.

>>373252985
classic focus group question

>>373246497
Fuck off.

>>373255043
>>373255347
ふざけんな is my favorite, although I think that's more like "don't fuck with me!"

>>373246896
>i swear some of the retarded shit they did is fucking hilarious and sad

Sad thing is this applies to all the console makers.

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>>373243516
>not understanding the culture difference

you dont tell an old jap exec that he is a relic and should step the fuck down. they are too polite and let them ruin the company till they drop dead.

best you could hope for is some illness forces them to die suddenly or they lock themselves away for 20 year making "that big game" while everyone else gets on with real work

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Reminder it was a japanese that said saved sega from bankruptcy.

>>373257198
I hear that a lot in anime, it can't be super rude

>>373256925
I liked the James Pond series too.

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>>373256925
This is my favorite Genesis game made by them.

>>373253583

The logo on that image is back before SEGA made video games. They made electromechanical arcades and other arcade gimmick machines. But at the time there was no universal standard to refer to these types of machines so they might have called em gaming machines

>>373256925

That was a reaction image anon

>>373255043
According to my english-to-jap thesaurus it's useru.

>>373244742
>these days
Sega have always been screw ups. I love them to death, and my Genesis and Dreamcast are two of my favorite consoles, but they've always seemed to find success by accident (if at all).

Peter Moore is still a hack though.

>>373255667
if you were going with the classic definition of decimated, it sucked ass because the 9/10 were forced to kill the 1/10
however, languages change and thats not what it means anymore, faggot

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>>373257730

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DToc7Iz3LBs

>>373257948
If somebody asked me who Sega reminded me of, it would probably be this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uACvFAm6JSM

>>373255043
うせろ

>>373246354
Panzer Dragoon Orta was so fucking good though

>>373256925
Don't forget The Immortal, that game rocks.

>>373258086
Wait, you mean to tell that guy that when someone tells me they "crushed" a team in some game, that he doesn't mean that he actually went over to their house and turned them into a fine mush of human bone and flesh by exerting massive pressure on their entire body?

Tell me the cause and effect that leads to every Sonic game turning out like shit.

How exactly does their incompetence play out?

>>373258950
3D

>>373258950

Why are you trying so hard to turn this into a Sonic thread?

>>373258950
They think all people want out of it is 'epic' stories and running on boost pads all day.
Plus they keep changing things up and adding/removing shit when all most people want are a return to the Genesis style of games or the Sonic Adventure 1/2 style.

>>373259037
Because you faggots know a lot about Sega and I want the scoop, retard.

I don't want to discuss the games. I want to know what retarded business decisions cause them to be such perpetual failures.

>>373259070
Why are they so stupid though? Is the company run by corrupt salarymen?

>>373259176

They're rushed out garbage all the way since Sonic 1. The only reason the original trilogy is held in high regard is because they were programmed by Yuji Naka back when he gave a shit. The game had a nice physics system that allowed for the pinball gameplay to shine that no other platformer has managed to replicate.

There's no fucking mystery to it. That's all there is to it. Now fuck offf.

Didn't Yu Suzuki or someone from Sega tell someone from Microsoft recently "don't bully Japanese developers"? In regards to Scalebound?

>>373259479
I doubt you'll find a Japanese company that isn't run by corrupt salarymen.
Sonic Team of now has virtually nobody (or probably nobody at all) of the original group that did work on Sonic 1, and Sonic 2 and 3&K were partly developed by Sega Technical Institute which was a US branch. I doubt that there's even anybody there from the Sonic Adventure days at this point.

>>373259485
Shit answer. You're a dummy and you don't know anything.

>>373246896
>i swear some of the retarded shit they did is fucking hilarious and sad
Could you give some examples

>>373259740
It's just laughable every time they come out with a new Sonic. Do they think they're doing a good job? I guess literal autists give them a profit?

A few years ago they pulled all Sonic games off the shelves to improve the brand's image, then continued to suck.

>>373260096
Why do you need examples when you know the Sega CD and the 32X exist?

>>373243516
That's actually a really interesting interview.

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>>373245991
>tfw I was that kid

>>373260096
32X
Activator
Hyping up the Sega CD as the next revolution in video games, then fill it's library with 99 percent FMV garbage
Launching the Saturn months earlier than they told their third parties, and at a price point that was high enough to Sony to immediately destroy them at that very E3 they announced it at by just saying "299 dollars" as the Saturn was 400.
Letting Bernie Stolar further destroy the Saturn in the US by refusing almost every Japanese 2D game and RPG to come out for it, then refusing to release the 4 meg cart later for Capcom's fighting games.

>>373260096
>shortly after the sony and nintendo deal had fell off sony approached sega of america to make a console together
>sega of america and sony were on good terms and already had the blueprint for the hardware
>kalinske (president of sega of america) went to sega of japan so he can get permission to carry out the plan
>president of sega of japan told him to fuck off because he thought sony doesnt know jack shit about games
>the sega and sony console never came into fruition
now heres the kicker....
>the blueprint that was mentioned earlier was later used by sony to make the playstation

>>373260241
>Do they think they're doing a good job?

Mania has a ton of hype behind it & the Boost games were success which has lead to Forces. So yes.

>>373251837
He's the reason the Shadow the Hedgehog game exists, for one.

He's also the one who wanted Lost World to be more like Mario.

He keeps pushing and shoehorning in the Wisps.

>>373253005
A "code monkey" who managed to make a game with the most complex collision detection of its time that even a lot of modern coders struggle to replicate. Stop talking out of your ass.

>>373260580
Sony most likely would have attempted to screw them over like they were going to do with Nintendo in regards to game program rights anyway.

yuji naka is a cool guy
peter moore killed the dreamcast
that guy can fuck off

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>>373260824
Sonicfag here. I can confirm that these statements are true. It should also be mentioned that Izuka is the reason that Sonic Mania is going to be using rehashed level themes instead of every single one of them being new like Studiopolis. Whitehead wanted all of it to be new, but Izuka insisted that the likes of Green Hill Zone be brought in.

>>373259070
Mania though.

>>373258950
That's an easy one. It's because they don't know how to interpret what it is that fans want. For example, they heard that fans had some trouble keeping Sonic under control when moving at high speed, so they "fixed" it by giving Sonic a fucking run button, which is an unforgivable sin in my opinion when designing a Sonic the Hedgehog game.

>>373261260
/v/ doesn't know shit about what's currently going on with Sonic. Of course they wouldn't know Mania exists.

>>373258950
Sonic's time has passed. It needs to fade into the darkness of history like Bubsy.

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>>373261205
>It should also be mentioned that Izuka is the reason that Sonic Mania is going to be using rehashed level themes instead of every single one of them being new like Studiopolis. Whitehead wanted all of it to be new, but Izuka insisted that the likes of Green Hill Zone be brought in.

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>>373252386
>Good

>>373252564
Guy doesn't even know who you are so no. your respect meaning literally fucking nothing to him. Your queer daddy may have told you to be a good boy and respect people but thats how you become a man who lets other men sleep with his wife because you 'respect' her need for bigger cocks and shit.

>>373261663
Mania is practically a fan-game, and it's really pathetic that their "good" Sonic game is just old 2D Sonic that Sega themselves didn't even make themselves.

Their version of that idea was Sonic 4 which was, again, laughable.

They should just hire nothing but outside talent from now on. The new 3D game is pathetic. Should've thrown money at Utopia.

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>>373262274
All I could find was him bashing Green Hill clones, which I guess is kind of similar?

>>373261645
I'm just wondering what it is about this company that makes them so bad at their jobs.

Good
The autist hog is an abomination of humanity

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>>373262792
I like Utopia as much as the next guy, but Forces looks like it'll be fine from what we've seen. Besides, it'll be on PC, meaning it's gonna get modded out the wazoo! I'm looking forward to that for sure.

Also, one could argue that, as long as there is passion in the game that you're producing, every game is a "fangame."

>>373263040
Wow sounds like you will take anything you'll get. This is what I'm talking about. Your favorite series has been bad for so long, you just smile and say, "Could be worse, I guess!"

I guess Sega has no incentive to try very hard with Sonic. They can put forth a tiny amount of effort, and all the same people keep their same salaries while the fans are just used to it and accept it.

>>373251538
I replayed Sonic Generations twice and even beat all the challenge levels. Its great if you try to learn the level and dont just beat it once on the slow route

>>373263040
This is literally 2D Sonic in 3D. But the issue becomes...where's the challenge? Where's the fun? You're just running through a field.

I used to like Sega because I always felt they were the underdogs but reading this makes me think of Sega in a new light. They were always arrogant bastards. They were the true villains all along. Nintendo were the good guys.

>>373263343
Or because people unironically actually like the boost gameplay because fun is subjective.

I know this is an alien concept but take it slow, shitter.

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>>373262792
>Their version of that idea was Sonic 4 which was, again, laughable.
Dimps developed Sonic 4, not SEGA or Sonic Team.

>>373263659
You're the reason Sonic is a joke series.

Good. Sega Technical Institure should have done the exact same. Yuji Naka was an asshole.

>>373263343
>Bad for so long
How do you figure? Colors was good, Generations was great, Lost World was... Well, it was a disasterpiece, but that's exactly why I'm, at the very least, hopeful for Forces. Sure, it's not ideal, as I would have liked to see a return to the Adventure formula where the player had a bit more freedom, but I've learned that, with Sonic Team, it's best to hope for baby steps.

In other words, I don't trust them to take TWO big steps forward after the huge step back that was Lost World. One step forward is fine by me for now.

I expect something substantial after Forces, though.

>>373263510
It should be noted that Utopia is, so far, just in demo stages. The sandbox they showcased is not indicative of the direction they want to go with the project. It was merely to demonstrate how the physics and gameplay work. In the finished game, should it ever release, would be more linear and objective-based.

>>373263813
And you're the reason 4chan will never be accepted into civilized society. Because you're a psychopath.

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Anyone know how to open up a sega saturn controller plug?

>>373263675
It was comissioned by Sega. Wasn't Mania an independent fan project initially? That would be the difference.

>>373261260
Made in the USA. Doesn't fix what was previously said about Sonic Team not knowing what they are doing.

>>373263924
Lol you're now flipping out because I'm criticizing Sonic. Hilarious.

>>373264017
From what I can tell, Mania came about as the result of SEGA giving Whitehead and crew more and more freedom with each port they released. They let them put Tails in CD, they let them make a whole new zone for Sonic 2 and now they're letting them make a whole new title (with some limitations, of course such as there being more reimagined levels than original ones.)

>>373264093
Well then, here's an idea.

Sonic Team is permanatly disbanded, games are now made by the autists who can do Sonic better.

>>373243516
Sega are the ones laughing now... highest Metacritic for 2015 of ANY publisher, Phantasy Star 2 pays for every single game because they make so much profit on it, bought Atlus the only company left making real JRPGs, just released two GOTYs within 4 months (Yakuza 0, Persona 5)

Sega is the best company in the entire industry. They're putting everyone else to shame.

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>>373264095
No, I'm just calling you out for treating opinions as objective. The boost gameplay is liked by the vast majority of the mainstream gaming community.

Pic related. It's you.

>>373264321
Excuse the ignorance, but what the fuck did Sega publish in the west in 2015 anyway?

Also, Sega was always king. At least AM2.

>>373264256
I'm inclined to agree. We can call it Tails Team because Tails is the only one who ever knows what the fuck is going on.

>>373264375
Sonic is uninspired and Sega continues to flounder about and fuck up almost everything they do with it. Your animal friend isn't real, autist. You don't need to be so defensive.

This sounds like bullshit. Ea weren't known as total cunts at that time, atleast not by some random 18-19 y/o's. They just released Medal of Honor allied assault around then and it was fucking awesome.

Also, rock star were nowhere near that big of a deal in 2001 either.

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We need a remake or port of this
pronto

>>373264321
this. SEGA is the greatest fucking company ever!!!

>>373263343
yea its sad, 3d sonic is never going to be good at this rate

>>373264705
>he doesnt know

>>373264705
They lost the source code brah.

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>>373263614
NEC were the good guys, but nobody listened Johnny Turbo's warnings.

Now look at where we're at.

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>>373264705
Tough luck kid, only way you're playing that is by firing up the old saturn. That is, if you have it, and I know you don't.

>>373265035
>tfw have the game

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>>373243516
>We did a focus group here in San Francisco
Hipster dipshits in San Fran should in no way be taken seriously, especially not 18-19 year olds.

>>373265035
Still got my SMS, Genesis, Sega CD, Game Gear, Saturn, and Dreamcast.

Don't have Saga and don't have an Xbox for Orta. ;_;

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>>373265035
I have a modchipped saturn hooked up for RGB
I enjoy it very much

>>373264830
Never say never, I say. I used to think we'd never see a Sonic game with satisfying physics again, but Mania's proving me wrong. If 2D Sonic can make a comeback after Sonic 4, then 3D Sonic can make a comeback as well.

All it would take is for Izuka to step down and for Whitehead to step up, Then Whitehead brings in the Utopia team and the Green Hill Paradise guy for good measure.

>>373265035
>>373265131
>tfw modchipped saturn

>>373265190
>Never say never
t. Justin Bieber

>>373265226
>tfw that sounds like work and would rather just put the discs in

>>373265352
How do you think a modchip works anon

You burn the game and put it in

>>373263040
I really hope they fix the proportions up. Sonic looks too tiny relative to everything else.

>>373254606
They didn't ask him for the source code before they used it. Reasonable enough. Both sides were equally boneheaded on that one.

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>>373265035
I don't "have" it, but i have a burned copy running on a modchipped saturn

>>373265462
I think that it sounds like you have to solder some shit, and that sounds like work.

>>373265523
>not just installing pseudosaturn

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>>373265523
soldering isn't hard
It is the easiest fucking modchip mod out there
just plug in the ribbon cables and solder in one wire for power

>>373265523
I got mine from a website named Sega Style, he pre-mods them but I think he might have stopped now. It was a good deal too, got the Saturn, reg controller and 3D pad, S-video hook ups and the chip pre-installed for under 200.

>>373265615
Maybe I will.

Yeah well last week I told a hobo to fuck off, that's basically the same thing.

>>373265615
PDS doesnt work with pseudosaturn

>>373265656
assemblergames.com has them
however they have been down for months since they have gotten a new server and one of the mods kevin got extremely ill

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>>373265714
This.
Phantom for life

>>373265714
you can patch the game to work
I didn't play the whole thing but I did boot it up to make sure it worked

Peter Moore is a fucking nepotistic faggot and I highly doubt that's how it really went.
Well I hope he enjoys working for a bustout soccer club wew

>>373246497

Fuck off.

>>373265851
trying playing through it

>>373265476
The thing is, the director of NiGHTs was perfectly fine with the use of the engine, but Naka had the mother of all bitch fits and in turn killed the Saturn in the west, all because MUH ENGINE, despite the fact Sega Technical Institute made Sonic 2 and 3.

>>373265648
That doesn't sound bad aside from taking the Saturn apart. I was worried that it would be some fine pitch chip bullshit that I'd have to flux up and all that.

>>373254020
mad

>>373265714
Nowadays it does.

>>373263976
Seconding because I want to fix my Horii Saturn stick.

>>373251538
What about Sonic Mania?

>>373265884
If you told me any outlandish story about Sega of Japan's behaviour I would probably believe it, given their actions in the past. They acted like cartoon characters.

>>373265921
nah there is a rod connecting the mother board and psu that suplies +5v
solder wire on tip of rod for maximum power
USE ANTI-STATIC TAPE

>>373265921
The only thing holding the Saturn together is like six screws. If you're too concerned, just tape the latch and swap trick.

You're fucked if it's Model 2 however.

>>373265884
I could see it. The Japs are notorious for being stuck in their own world and seeing everyone else as corrupt and wrong.

Sega is the only company left making real games for real enthusiasts.

They embarrassed Shit-Enix and their westcuck pandering FFXV. Persona 5 blew that piece of shit out of the water. And with Yakuza 0 they showed they are the Rockstar of Japan except actually good.

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>>373266153
model 2 is best for taking apart
model 1 is a cluster fuck
>pic related

>>373265914
That's even worse. Naka got too big after S3K, and it's not coincidence that things went downhill after S&K released.

>>373266270
I mean in terms of Swap Tricking. It's a crapshoot on Model 2.

>>373266217
Rockstar is actually relevant though

>>373265965
Not him, but it's being made by a team of American indies. Those guys clearly know their shit, but it's pretty pathetic that a major Japanese 3rd party publisher had to enlist them to do something like this better than they could themselves.

Ironically, the fact that Sonic Team/Dimps aren't making it is what has me so excited for it.

>>373245428

Looks like he fucked off

>>373259010
>>373259070
>>373262103
>TFW you're an obnoxious 2D Sonic fanboy and think it's something to be proud of

>>373266375
To westfag normiecuck """""""gamers""""""", yes.

>>373266153
>you're fucked if it's Model 2 however
for the swap trick? It's doable on Model 2 just harder.

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>>373243516
>Tell him to fuck off.

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>>373266320
swap tricking wears out the motor faster
a guy on assemblergames zer02k11 sells phatoms for 30 with like almost zero shipping
>also anyone like this game?

>>373243516

That's how you can tell a company is digging its own grave - higher-ups getting defensive and not willing to listen to feedback.

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>>373243516
I don't care just give me another game where I can play as Blaze the Cat or Shadow.

>>373266438
Yeah, how dare they like the only good Sonics.

>>373262792
>Obnoxious 2D Sonic Fanboy
>Being proud of it

wait wat
when did Peter Moore leave EA?

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>>373243516
People blame Japan being analravaged about SoA's success but it seems like both of them were just at each others throats.

Probably why Nintendo has to whip NoA into shape every couple years.

>>373265914
I'm not a fan of any of Naka's bitch fits, but S3&K had next to no input from STI, that's something people always get wrong.

>>373264256
>made by the autists who can do Sonic better.
implying this is anything good,

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>tfw even back in the day I was always a diehard Nintendo fan and wouldn't even so much as touch a Sonic game, let alone other SEGA "games"

>years later SEGA is a vegetable kept alive by an unreasonable wish that one day a Sonic game might be good again

>Nintendo still going strong and basically an industry leader, pretty much the Apple of the gaming world.

Mhhmmm...

>>373259070
>They think all people want out of it is 'epic' stories
Sonic Colors through Lost World weren't all that "epic," and in Lost World's case it was still a shit story.

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>>373264321
>Atlus the only company left making real JRPGs

>>373265190
nah Nagoshi is way better than Whitehead, and the utopia/green hill shit teams

>>373244742
>KINDA screw-ups
That's a fucking understatement.

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>>373266942
sega's "other" games are hidden 10/10's
I suggest this one game to you anon
>panzer dragoon saga

>>373266391
too bad Mania looks like shit,

>>373266647
you have to be 18 and have good taste to post here kid

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>>373243516
>japanese game developers are backwards and stubborn

Big surprise. This is the sole reason they used to be good and (mostly) suck now, they refuse to have any change.

>>373243516
Good on him. Naka was a vindictive asshole who helped fuck over the Saturn in American and fueled the toxic rivalry between SoA and SoJ.

>>373266647
you're pathetic, like any other classic sonic fanboy dropping they're college-fund for the mediocre shit that is mania.

From my point of view the last good Sega game was Sonic Colours

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>be Sega
>say your most profitable platform is PC
>continue making games for consoles first and foremost simply because any success in the west brings back tragic memories of Tom Kalinske making a joke of the Japanese division

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The only good sonic was 06

Why do people here give Kalinske, an free pass? when he's responsible for the immediate 499 dollar Saturn launch?

>>373266942
>>Nintendo still going strong and basically an industry leader, pretty much the Apple of the gaming world.
Fuck Nintendo

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>REMINDER

>>373266942
Nintendo was smart and kicked That dinosaur Yamaguchi out of the company before he completely killed the company like SEGA.

>>373263924

Good, the day this place become acceptable is the day it isn't 4chan anymore

>>373266942
But apple milks normies
a

>>373246497
Wow you triggered a lot of people with this post.

>>373265476
wrong. Naka had no rights to deny them the Nights engine. He literally threatened to quit Sega and go to a competitor if they let them use it.

>>373267445
That disconnect is pretty strange, really
Sega publish for Relic, Creative Assembly, Amplitude, which is already a lot of the PC strategy game market, but they think they can't make something like Yakuza work on PC?

>>373267570
Because he didn't even want to do it.

>>373267786
Too easy

>>373268053
PIECE OF CAKE

>>373266942

They haven't been an industry leader since the SNES.

The only realm they were king in was the handheld market and that's being taken away from them thanks to the rise of mobile gaming.

>>373243516
Naka speaks English fluently though...

Not that I don't think it happened though, he's also an ass

>The product, dubbed the "Play Station" was to be announced at the May 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Nintendo's Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly cancelled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment.

>After the collapse of the joint-Nintendo project, Sony briefly considered allying itself with Sega to produce a stand-alone console. The Sega CEO at the time, Tom Kalinske, took the proposal to Sega's Board of Directors in Tokyo, who promptly vetoed the idea. Kalinske, in a 2013 interview recalled them saying "that’s a stupid idea, Sony doesn't know how to make hardware. They don’t know how to make software either. Why would we want to do this?"

SEGA history is just one trainwreck after another

>>373266891
NoA has no power.

>>373268505
Exactly

>>373268505
They do, they have the power to shit out shitty translations and cut shit from games

>>373267183
I wish emulation was better. I have Saga and I wish more people would be able to play it. Very unique game and I want people to build on it's concepts.

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Their marketing for saturn was utter shit in america

>>373257493
Holy shit, somebody else remembers. James Pond 3 was my jam, everybody else needs to try that shit out right now

>>373257493
The christmas James Bond game was horse shit. Lazy fucking backgrounds too.

Never played 3, never even knew it existed till a few years ago.

>>373266939
>SEGA makes money
>fans get what they want
>implying anyone here isn't a degenerate autist
I fail to see any problem.

>>373268625
Sorry meant to say localization

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Tom Kalinske before SEGA
>Worked for Matchbox and made Hot Wheels popular with kids again, a brand that's still strong to this day
>Worked at Mattel and did a successful revival of the Barbie brand and introduced the world to Masters of the Universe

SEGA under Tom Kalinske
>Industry leader. 50/50 market share with Nintendo
>Profitable
>Respected, not fear by 3rd party devs
>Generated a handful of fantastic original IPs
>Was looking at promising new technologies for the follow up to the SEGA Genesis, technologies that would later find new homes in the Playstation and N64.

SEGA after Tom Kalinske
>Irrelevant
>Bleeding money
>Laughed at and ignored by 3rd parties
>Forgot a majority of its IPs and sticks its guns to Sonic.
>Forces the US division to deal with their clunky add-ons and picks their own hardware they duct taped together for the SEGA Genesis follow up
>Exits the hardware business

Tom Kalinske after SEGA
>Went on to make Leap Frog a massive success
>Leap Frog is still in the hardware business to this day

What went wrong?

>>373243516

Good. Fuck Sega Japan. Buncha jelly bastards they got outdone by a group of gajins and saved their company multiple times.

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Well the guy went to xbox fat, and they plodded along, then he fucks off and 360 takes off like a rocket.

Then he goes to a less public position at ea sports where they only wheel him out at e3 fifa shows during which period fifa is staler than a 9 year old fart in a jar. (I'm aware fifa is still stale and still shit.)

Now he's going to Liverpool fc, I hope he dreamcasts that place up and tells Kenny Dalglish to fuck off

>>373269064
It blows my mind that the Kalinske stand-in is a major villain in Segagaga. How did Sega of Japan's mindset get so fucked up?

>>373269048
Localisation is a necessary part of business. They aren't doing much in game development. Retro is kind of an exception. They do a lot of hardware development though but under the direction of Kyoto

>>373257436
It can be pretty common in casual speech, but it's not something you would say to a Japanese boss if you don't want your neck cut off.

>>373246497

i bet if it was the opposite, you would have been singing to the heavens you dumb weeb.

>>373243516
>We did a focus group
There's your mistake. Focus groups tend to be filled with idiots.

>>373269412

The mistake was having a conversation with Yuji Naka to begin with

>>373246497
Fuck off.

>>373267445
It's also residual trauma latent in the company itself. Sega stood for "Service Games", you know. They had history of being patriots. So success in the West reminds them of those days, seeping into the soul of the corporation itself, and makes the Japanese sararimen feel like they're just playing second banana to those of the past.

>>373269462
Maybe so, but it doesn't change the fact that many of the worst creative decisions have been made due to focus groups-meddling (see the ending of I Am Legend).

>>373269412

But Naka-San, the focus group wasn't wrong.

>>373246497
Fuck off.

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>>373268978
Play it. But not the SNES version, if I recall correctly that port is shit

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>>373269064
Find it funny how much you're glorifying Kalinske, when he thought it was an good idea to milk the Genesis for further than it's worth, especially since the 32X was an piece of shit.

>>373243516
Moore was a legend.
He took the Xbox brand from Zero to Hero, then it's been squandered ever since.

>>373269259
Sega just really hates it when the Baka Gaijin do something they were incapable of doing. Same exact reason why Sega Japan refuses to put anything besides ports of old games on PC. They suffer from a strong case of 'Nippon Ichi'.

>>373254020
Pretty arrogant

Sega was never great to begin with.

>>373269325
No, fuck you

>>373260096
Not even remotely trying to come to terms and coordinate between Sega Japan and America
32x could've stood a chance if they dropped the initial price of the unit, let the neptune come out as a less expensive alternative to play sega games, and then actually give publishers and developers time to react to the saturn launching and being a thing

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Wait, yuji naka? Huge knackers? Call me an ambulance, I'm fucking going to die laughing right now cunts fuck fuuuuuuuuck fuuuuuccckkkk HUGE KNAAAAAKKKKERRR

>>373269825
The Genesis was still doing really well at the time. There was no point in changing it up quickly.

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>>373269825
>when he thought it was an good idea to milk the Genesis for further than it's worth

He wasn't wrong. The SEGA Genesis was still a hot seller and there was still plenty of software being developed for it. SOJ axed it entirely in favor of going full force with Saturn advertisement. This single move guaranteed Nintendo winning the 4th gen with the SNES. The SNES was still getting games in 95 and 96. Some of the best games on the platform came out that year.

>>373261205
Green hill zone can eat a dick. I'd much rather have a redone Emerald Hill or Palmtree Panic
Speaking of Sonic CD, any hints on what levels from CD are making it in? Or are they just gonna jerk off Speedway some more

>>373270497

I believe they teased Tidal Tempest

>>373252731
true
honestly, the more I know about Naka, the more I realize he's a fucking hack who got ridiculously lucky

>>373255615
sega's got cool shit, lots of cool shit
but their management has been fucked up since forever

>>373259740
pretty much none of the old talent is at Sega anymore, and teams like AM2 are stuck doing phone games now

>>373260481
this
first three don't matter that much in the big picture (well, 32X had the worst timing possible, but it was pretty much a total footnote)
bottom two caused Sega to lose so much money that a really successful DC couldn't save them

on a side note, I kind of wonder if Sega could have been fine if VF3 did better, VF4 fucking made back all the money Shenmue cost in no time flat

>>373262103
Sonic is still a well-known big name brand, and shows little sign of stopping
It's actually kind of crazy considering the ridiculously variable quality of each game.

>>373264698
EA wasn't known as a bad dev back in the day (really, EA seemed to be considered a "seal of quality" by some people I knew), but they were always well known for scummy business practices, even in the early 90s.

>>373265012
everything about the PC-Engine is so fucking cool
but then the TG-16's marketing is so fucking awful

Sega today still isnt relevant. I wonder whats holding them back because they have so many great IPs gathering dust.

>>373270368
>>373270395
He if wanted to continue the genesis, that's all fine and dandy, but what incentive did he have to think the 32X was an good idea? Sega CD understandable, 32X not so much.

>>373269825
32x could've survived if it cost less at the start and , oh I don't know, SoJ didn't drop the saturn not even a year after 32x was out

>>373270648
but were doe

>>373270721

He wasn't pushing exclusively for 32X games only. Don't be dumb.

>>373270395
Haha Nintendo didn't win the 4th gen. It's like a team playing a football game, losing against the opposition.. Then the final whistle goes, the opposition and all the crowd go home, the flood lights go off. But the team stays there on their own and keep scoring against nobody until they beat the opposing teams score then saying WE WON

let it go mate, I'm sorry, it hurts I know but just let it go.

>>373270178
Wrong. See: The Genesis.

Everyone knows Japan Sega fucked over everything America Sega did even though it was them that made them a success in the first place. This is nothing new. Sega JP have a lot of Yakuza in their ranks so giving some underlings control especially gaijins will be disgraceful.

And the sad fact is Sega is still the same today. Sega JP just gave some control to America Sega but it is still the same. Remember when Sega JP copyrighted all videos, deleted channels in Youtube?

This recent liking/fanboyism to Sonic/Sega is so ridiculous. They are a shit company.