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How fares your empire, /gsg/?

This day in history, April 6th:
46 BC – Julius Caesar defeats Caecilius Metellus Scipio and Marcus Porcius Cato (Cato the Younger) in the battle of Thapsus.
1250 – Seventh Crusade: Ayyubids of Egypt capture King Louis IX of France in the Battle of Fariskur.
1320 – The Scots reaffirm their independence by signing the Declaration of Arbroath.
1453 – Mehmed II begins his siege of Constantinople (Istanbul), which falls on May 29.
1896 – In Athens, the opening of the first modern Olympic Games is celebrated, 1,500 years after the original games are banned by Roman emperor Theodosius I.


>News
EU4 Mandate of Heaven is out.

>Random Country Picker
http://randomcountry.gbasood.net/

# Archive (mods only)
https://mega.nz/#F!plMxFYTB!sn9MTrvJ0tYjWSHgM8CZow

#Where to get these games
http://hastebin.com/raw/moqugasume

# Mods
>> READ THIS FIRST.
http://pastebin.com/cCdcev76

>>[HoI4] - More Music Mod
https://mega.nz/#F!v5wXURpJ!TvoBinBVQWJbaYJsluyoFA

>>[HoI3] - Flavormod
https://mega.nz/#F!GBByDSgS!9ia87JfAeOQgADjGq9y4hw

>>[CK2] - Anon Music Mod
https://mega.nz/#!vIQnEZJK!5YCtpPMElgZJ3DDaVSaxJqEGym87SKZxfx-uKVwZmqM

>>[CK2] - After The End
https://github.com/notalbanian/postapoc

>>[V2] - Historical Project Mod 0.3.6.1 - 27/11/2016
http://pastebin.com/66gpxbKk

>>[V2] - Napoleon's Legacy v0.3.1.7
http://pastebin.com/sN1g69sr

>>[V2] Alternative Flag Pack V10
http://pastebin.com/PRQH8vcV

>>[V2]Africa Mod
http://pastebin.com/kyMpRZcQ

Old Thread >>173245778
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White and based
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First for FUCK JAPAN
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black men are superior
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>>173282824
nothing specific, i just rushed biologism and got a couple early school reforms, after getting most states to 4% intellectuals i started encouraging craftsmen and it blew up to first
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>>173284010
Do it for her anon.
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>>173284010
>There still no decision to restore power to the Emperor and conquer Asia in the name of Jinmu-tennō.
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>>173284010

upload the DLC
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>>173283767
Didn't realize I had to rename original steam_api.dll so it was overwriting the original. Works now
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>Be Kongo
>At war with Poortugal and Castile
>Mali offers me free army
>Accept of course
>They leave to cross the desert and fight in Portugal lands
>While I just chill in my Kingdom

GODSPEED MALI !
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La Plata
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>>173284265
nice pic

>>173283915
I'm kinda disappointed in the recent price increase of Paradox DLCs
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>being 1st rank great power now gives a baseline power projection of 50

Now you don't have to keep a valid rival just to get that extra +1 MP per month.
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>african shitholes with cannons in the 16th century

BELIEVABLE
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>>173284232
Apparently Marrakech is the end of the road... Meanwhile Morocco is still fighting on, 35 years of guerilla.
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>>173284184
My headcanon is that the Emperor is the official head of state still but symbolic.

Sort of like how Churchill is listed as the leader of the UK in HOI4, rather than the King.
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>>173284570
pic related

>>173284425
It only give me 25 as Kongo. Maybe because the game is a pre-DLC save
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>>173284010
Okasareru!
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>>173284748
Are you a French frog or a colonial frog?
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>watching Arumba's ryukyu run
>he talks about his ADD and him taking medications
>finally can relate to him

he's truly one of us bros ;_;
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HOW can a tribe in the middle of Africa have a higher military tech than an European country

Johan needs to be executed
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>>173284457
>tfw Majapahit invent cannons again.
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>>173285005
WE
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>>173285095
WUZ
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>>173285204
SPACE MARINES
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>>173285095
Raised development to embrace institutions... n' shiet.
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>>173285204

NUMBER
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>>173284890
neither
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>>173285005
WE EMPIRE, WE SMART
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>Add 20 countries to Japan
>still no Couto Misto

I'm starting to lose hope that it'll ever be in any Paradox game
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does anyone know why fucking with the start date gives/takes cores from nations?

moving the start date forward and back gives Ottomans core on Bihar for example
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>>173285721

fuck this game

I'm gonna play with the cool & non-virgin blokes at /twg/ now
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>>173285826

Date switching is fucked is CK2 as well.
If you move throughout the entire timeline and then go back to the first one half the rulers are theocracies.
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>>173285826
the province history files give the core but never remove it, it's something that paradox could fix in a couple hours with barely any effort
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I WANTED TO PERISH LAD
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>Reformation
-30% shock damage recieved as spain
>Absolutism
+20% fire damage dealt as france
>Revolutions
-20% fire damage recieved as prussia

Forming france as spain once absolutism hits shouldn't be too hard if you wanna cheese combat bonuses
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>>173286253
Spain and France can't form each other
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wew
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>>173286346
Ah.
Guess a detour in England would be needed.
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>>173286253
stop being a gamey faggot
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>>173286253
What is this screen? dlc?
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So how come when the AI rebels and I take their holdings, they can still surrender to their liege at 90% warscore, but when my vassals rebel, the AI can take their land and I cannot force the rebels into surrender until I kick out the AI?
I'm sick of all this council wars while the Picts just claim everything north of Hadrian's Wall
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>>173286253
The fuck? This is some Civilization-tier shit
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Does Shimazu have the best ideas in Japan? I can't seem to find any better.
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>>173286686
>>173286768
yeah it's mandate of heaven
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>>173286826
I've only looked into combat ideas and how good they are for turning into merchant republics in coop games.

Shimazu is #3 in combat, only like 3.5% worth of discipline behind #1.
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>>173286253
>>173285721
>>173284010
Oh, wow. Is this EU? I've playing V2 and CK2 for so long that I forgot what graphics are like.
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>>173287018
Who gets more than +5% discipline ?
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>>173285753
What's the smallest micronation Paradox added to a game? I don't see Monaco or San Marino.
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>>173287372
No one.

I compare values of infantry combat ability and discipline by how much they affect damage taken and damage dealt though by a single number though.
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Reminder we got Iron Cross back and Johan is doubling down on his booze tonight.
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>>173286826
They're up there.

I like Amago.
Good mil, and they have +2 tolerance of the true faith, 10% goods produced and yearly inflation reduction.
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what's a good vicky 2 nation to play where my country elects a total retard
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>>173288187
USA. Especially in EU4 where USA is one of the only few democracies.
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>>173288494
USA! USA! USA!
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>>173288494
john mccain soros funded took over mind of trump destroy russia save motherland aaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA`
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>>173288797
Here, offtopic for you.
>mfw USA never annexed Canada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f7MH3BLaek
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Paradox games are 50% off and I can only afford two, which two should I buy? I was thinking EU4 and Vic2.
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gonna meme greater bulgaria/gross bulgariuns in hpmeme what should be my endborders ladds?
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>>173289203
Pirate that shit.
>not using Kinguin/G2A
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guies We're all going to die
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>>173289285
proofs
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>>173289264
I am pirating them, but I'd prefer to not be.
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Could someone spoonfeed me on where to get DLC for the steam version of EUIV? Just copy pasting it from a normal cracked version does nothing unless I'm missing something really obvious, which is all that I can find.

I'm still not paying over $100 for the DLC.
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>>173289264
>G2A
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>>173289430
there was someone that released the codex version over at the russian forums,
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>>173289285
I hope they do fucking nuke us. Fuck this retarded fucking country. Please fucking liberate us Putin
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Do vassals outside of Japan become daimyos like any others in Mandate of Heaven?
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>>173289706
WE WUZ DAIMYOS AN SHEIT
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>>173289615
>he thinks Putin will liberate us
>he thinks Putin will use nukes at all
>he thinks Putin even cares about this country

russia specializes in defense and nobody is that stupid to launch nukes because the moment you do is the moment you lose. - COALITION
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>>173289706
If you annex and release them.
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>>173289748
I dont fucking care
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>>173289615
Putin is shit SHIT
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r8 my Japan progress. I think I figured this out
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Are there any games more modern focused where we can play out the current political climate but a little closer to Civ/TW/Wargame?
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>>173290254
wrongdaimyo/27
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We tried to warn you

Join /leftypol/ before it's too late
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>>173290439
strasserism is the only leftist ideology i would die for
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>>173290439
i'm a centrist though
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>>173290439
Fuck off back to your trail of tears
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How does my empire look?

Should I head north for the Kingdom of Finland or prepare to head south for Hungary?

Hungary will be tougher because of their alliances but I have the Byzantines, Sweden and maybe France on my side.

I think this is the furthest I've been in a CK2 game too, its fun.
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>'oh look a new eu4 dlc'
>download it
>plays livonian order
>attack a novgorod with no manpower and half of my troops
>suddenly they have tens of thousands of man
>tag over
>he has dozens of loans and all of his troops are mercs
>quit game
>literally uninstall
>open victoria 2
reminder that no dlc will ever fix that game
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>>173289254
pls lads
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>Try Ottomans for first time
>get general from estates, recruit another
>this

I don't want to play Ottomans anymore
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>>173291179
are you just really shitty or really stupid?
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>>173291120
Why not get those smaller states first, like Pomerania, Croatia, Venice, and finish conquering Italy?
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>>173291517
i'm just not used to playing that shitty game
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>>173290439
dictatorship of the proletariat when?
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>>173289254
all of your cores + thrake
puppet the rest
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>>173291749
Pomerania also have tricky alliances.

I'm not really a fan of taking territory that isn't connected to mine. It's probably autistic but it seems more realistic to me. Though Italy is tempting.

Also I'm the Wendish Empire, not HRE.
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Another Paradox sale, another attempt at seeing that Russian link with the DLC.
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Mandate of heaven is pretty fun desu senpai
other than ming constantly asking me to be a tributary state.
united japan real quick, already colonizing asia. Pretty fucking cool.
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>>173292618
And i did it.

fun game, dont know how I'm gonna get over Ming tho. still havent seen a mingplosion.
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>>173292785
mingplosion isn't as common now
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Should I buy HOI3 or Darkest Hour? I'm looking for a WWII game that isn't shit.
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Should I play After the End, y/n?

>>173292298
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>>173292820
>>173292785
This is my first time playing in asia. Trying really really hard to get Institutions to spread, is it normal to wait for a really fucking long time for that? Also, got the new MOH Christianity event for japan and actually ended up converting to catholic lol.
I did that so I could probably royal marriage European powers and shit.
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>>173292890
Darkest Hour, uglier graphics, much better gameplay
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>>173292890
Darkest Hour
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>>173293117
>This is my first time playing in asia. Trying really really hard to get Institutions to spread, is it normal to wait for a really fucking long time for that? Also, got the new MOH Christianity event for japan and actually ended up converting to catholic lol.
You develop for institutions.
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>>173293043
rezmar quit shilling your torrents here holy shit
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>>173293117
develop for renaissance, try to origin colonialism, give up hope for printing press, and the rest should come about as easily as for anyone else
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>disable trees
>get like 10 more fps on EU4

what gives
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is mandate of heaven good, what's the verdict
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>>173293754
Trees are heavy on the graphics card, Anon.
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>>173293523
lol
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can i have the torrent please
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>>173294032

glad I turned them off, I could only run speed 3 now I'm on 5
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Someone save my autistic ass and show me how to make CWE work for Vic2
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>>173294030
It's fucking great, best expansion since Art of War. I might even buy it at the next sale
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is the russian site down for anyone else
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When the fuck is the CK2 patch going to come out? I want to know when I lose magnum opuses on succession
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>>173294531
yea
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>>173294531
wew
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>>173294531
ww3 started now no more fucking free DLC SWEDEN YASSSSSSS
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Guys what am I doing wrong?

>havnt played ck2 in 2 years
>got it with all dlc and fully updated
>playing after the end, Hudson kingdom
>can't holy war neighbors
>stuck fabricating claims individually
>cant get any claimants into my court

Is there something I'm missing? I like the rp focus stuff, but has conquest been nerf ed? I want to form empire state and just need a bigger realm.
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>>173294743
i hope we all die soon desu
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Being the HRE emperor ain't fun at all.
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>Chagatai declares war on my tributary
>defend them
>see their opinion of me is negative
>-40: Overlord meddled in our war

Am I getting rused?
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>>173294783
Anabaptist religion cannot holy war
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I'm about 5 minutes away from just getting Darkest Dungeon if this site doesn't come back up.
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When the moon is full my ass gets a flying number 65. right in a beer and the white woman sucked me so good that i got hard though my asshole on i could feel myself hitting a rock in my lovely oil rig. Can i say one thing about the moon so nice, yes. Oh god i could fuck a black girl in my class. she has the fatties ass. GOD she has the fatties ass. Like the porn star "Mz booty". I wanna fuck a black girl and tell her shes a fucking dog and eat her phone 78.

My mother left me

>Hey listen can I have the torrent for MOH please. The update thing is not working
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Whats the ideal military composition in NWO?
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>austria
>heirs keep dying and become a shitty trastamara as bavaria becomes emperor and I become unable to win a war for a PU with Bohemia because Poland was helping
>bavaria blobs all over bohemia and locks me from the rest of the HRE for expansion
>muscovy somehow becomes muslim and now got eaten by Poland that became the commonwealth
jesus christ why
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Do I need to colonize those two provinces in the Malaya region to form Malaya?
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>>173295113
>>173255880
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>>173295428
http://www.eu4wiki.com/File:Formmalaya.png
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I have Stellaris on Steam but if I torrent the DLC am I able to play online? This is just a theoretical question for science.
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>>173296406
Yes.
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Where do i get those extra-extra big flag frames for v2, not the ones in the mega
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How to kill Ming as Manchu?
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>>173292785
Impressive, I gave up trying to do it as a Daimyo. Kept getting 1/3rd then running out of manpower and getting bullied by everyone else. Even if I had the next strongest Daiymo and several OPMs allied, we couldn't hold them, and if we held the first a second would follow before I could properly recover.
I'm taking a different approach, now.
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How do I eliminate an entire dynasty? These guys are know for a grand duchy they had since the beginning of the game.

Not that big of a deal, but with 72 members they have landed counts spread all throughout my empire and I really don't want to see them overthrowing there lieges who are usually members of my dynasty.
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THE SPICE MUST FLOW

honestly though, trade empire campaigns are max comfy
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Should I keep my northwestern borders as is or should I release the nations in pic related? I have cores on the area since I made them slave states and thus got cores from event, but I don't know if I like having the Confederate border that far north.

Also, I intend on taking West Virginia and Maryland+Delaware once the truce is up. The rest I'll leave as an American rump state. If, however, they break apart, green is how I plan on partitioning them.
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>>173297678
Literally pray ming explodes before Korea annexes all of you
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>>173298376
Couldn't you just volunteer to be one of Ming's tributaries so he couldn't kill you? Or does he still interfere on the defender's behalf?
It would at least prevent the other tributaries from killing you.
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How can i know if Austria will intervene on wars of HRE not allied while I'm an HRE allied to them?
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>>173298243
I love SE Asia and India games.
>get all the trade nodes
>starve europe and me of trade income
I kek everytime.
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>>173298376
I can beat up Korea just fine when my horde isn't imploding but Ming is very strong. I'm running out of neighbours I can raid to keep my unity up though so I need to form Qing soon before I just collapse.
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>>173298639
again in english please?
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Can any kind anon provide me a link to the latest versions of HIP and CK2+?
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>>173284010
>Have a comfy little Daymo as the Jap country with the fan for a flag
>Retarded ally declares war for emperor
>Get raped
I don't blame him. The Emperor had literally no resistance when it was gobbling up Daymos and it had eaten half of japan in 50 years.

HISTORICAL ACCURACY
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Is Sterilis still shit?
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>>173300319
no
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>>173300360
Really, Utopia saved the game?
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>>173300319
the new update is bretty gud so far, but I'm only 12 years in so maybe that's an early opinion

the game definitely feels a lot less empty with the perk trees and better government system, haven't gotten to factions or ascension yet though
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>>173300319
it is less shit but as usual needs more expansions. Hive minds need to be fleshed out more.
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>>173297678
Develop the shit out of the northern gold province, get ahead in tech and do everything you can to wipe their armies in flat terrain like Beijing.
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>>173298243
Conquer the Phillipines ASAP, you get incredible amounts of dosh with little competition.
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Can you use other EU4 mods with a converted CK2 game? I'm looking at this Extended Timelines and it seems like it'd be neat to do a run from 769 to present day.

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, I'm new to all this and have no idea the scope of modding these games.
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fug
Ming got pissed at me for not paying tribute and declared war while I'm a tech level behind.
I'm scared /gsg/
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>>173301217
Well, you're not playing as an Island so all I can say is. You're fucked.
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>>173301301
Well three battles down. A lot more to go.
My horde unity is dipping low so I'm afraid that is going to fuck me with rebels while this is going on.
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>>173298514
oh right new DLC
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>>173298681
>ming not allied with korea
what is going on?!?!?!!
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>Abbasid Jihad for Byzantine Ascalon

This shit is fun
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>>173284010
I thought Japan was supposed to be better
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>>173301662
Well shit.
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Swedes need to patch CK2 now before the world ends
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>>173301492
You might have a chance, they have way too much cavalry

Can you take emperorship from them in peace? I haven't gotten a chance to play in china yet
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>>173301813
>open news
>it's real
It feels weird to know we've been memed into WW3 by another board.
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Well the Ming have burned through 60k manpower and are now at 0 but chagatai and Oirat are taking a beating and I have no forts along my Western front so I think this will be down to lucky dice rolls for the siege of Beijing.

>>173301925
I can't take it now but I'm not sure if it becomes avaliable after some requirements are met or if I need to declare a war with a sepcific CB. Regardless I'm sure as shit not ready for that. If I win this I'll take Beijing and Shenyang so that I can form Qing and get rid of the nomadic government and if I lose I guess I'll accept being a tribute and go beat up Korea.
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>>173302163
Just banner up and you'll be fine.

Ming is food after all
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Is a Transcaucasia blob fun
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I am so fucking mad.
I engaged this army of 40k and won but for two weeks the Ming sat there at 0 morale without the battle ending and then these faggots marched into it and I lost.
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I've been playing an older version of CK 2 for ages now and recently updated to the most recent version to try out the new dlcs. Now vassals keep rebelling one after another like wtf? Even when my troops are clearly superior and outnumber any rebel troops, more stupid fucks rebel against me whether they like me or not.
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>>173302431
Oof. That's a ragequit moment right there. Don't blame you senpai, sometimes it feels like battles hang on longer than they should just so reinforcements can arrive doesn't it?
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>>173301202
Anyone?
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>>173302061
>>173301813
What's this new Sweden-Russia meme?
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>>173302538
make a copy of the savefile and try using it with the mod
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>>173302494
If I wasn't already winning the war by a lot I probably would have quit right there. Luckily I was winning though so I grabbed this neat peace deal. Now I can form Qing if my horde unity starts to fuck me.
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>>173285005
>believable worlds

:^)
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>>173302061

Worshiping a god of chaos was a mistake
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>>173302061

Implying Russia will escalated ogre Syria
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>>173303404
this, Russia won't escalate because that would be a death sentence to them
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>>173298681
>>173298376
I know how you feel senpai.

Had to disband most my army and debase just to repay all the loans I've been getting. Ming is just walking around with 80k and I don't think I can crack them even with banner troops as good as they are.
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Why can't I form this kingdom?
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>>173302630
burgers bombed the shit out of a syrian airfield with icbm's
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>>173303685
But what about the meatballs?
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>>173303665
looks like title is not titular
whatever that means
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>>173303665
the title is not titular
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>>173303516
>decide to go all in on one war against ming
>raise all my banners about 40
>32 cav stacks

Economy be damn it's time to eat Ming
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>>173303665
Holy fuck is that a shattered world or something?
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>>173304212
He's using Direct vassals mapmode
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>>173304302
Ah shit, yeah I'm retarded.
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http://www7.zippyshare.com/v/MwgCwBQ2/file.html
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>>173303665
Probably because the duchy of Austria is your titular title.
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>>173303665
It's probably formed by decision, in whichever mod you are using.
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>tfw the world could start ww3 tomorrow.
anyone /comfy/ here?
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>>173305805
dumb memer
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The only good bug is a dead bug! Would you like to know more?
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>>173306093
Cleanse it with nuclear fire
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>>173306093
>>173306112
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>>173306093
It is done. Reduced the bugs to a single planet on the far side of the galaxy. Many soldiers and sailors earned their citizenship
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To deal with whats going on in a Grand Strategy sort of way, I ask you /gsg/ patrons this:
>You're in Presidents trump shoes about 12 hours ago
>Hear about Syrian gassing
>People still believe you're a Putin Puppet
>China and NK over-stepping their boundaries
>GOP neo-cons hating your every breath because you're an 'outsider'
wat do?
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I'm trying to play HR emperor and I got into a PU with an elector.
This made every other elector hate my guts, is it worth keeping them with me before the religious wars?
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>>173306853
give a speech condemning "syrian gassing" and move on.
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>>173306853
I'd condemn it and then warn the public about the previous attempts to spread propaganda and generate sympathy for Muslim extremist organisations before.
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>>173306853

Declare holy war on Mexico
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>>173306853
Glass Damascus.
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R8 my galaxy
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>>173307250

Not a grand strategy game/10
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>>173307250
go here:
>>173268695
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>>173307250
Could be worse.
Who's the purple in the south?
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>>173307312
>>173307317
Wew! Refer here >>173283915
for accepted games in /gsg/
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>>173307470
>Stellaris...
>Go to /civ4xg/ - for assorted reasons, it's been de-facto exiled. /civ4xg/ has more players and will provide more answers.

>Stellaris - Go to the /civ4xg/ thread

What did they mean by this?
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>>173300463
how many ai empires are you playing with? I want a realistic nearly empty galaxy but i dont know if it will be fun for the type of game it it.

>I'm only 12 years
release stellaris was good at the beginning then got really bad
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>>173307356
God damn rats. They have a higher military score than I do (the only empire that does) but would get crushed in war from tech disadvantages.
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>>173306928
>Putin-puppet narrative almost solidified

>>173307067
bretty good, but you will be attacked for not doing enough

>>173307132
my image was a meme as to not get b& by mods. nice meem though

>>173307185
>literally all your original supporters leave you to die in dust
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>>173302819
You know, Ming would've won the war if they'd kept going.
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>>173307250
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I'm about to stomp all over the Ashikagawa. Do I still get all their land automatically?
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>>173307759
>>173307905
Turn their worlds to cinders.
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>Guns of Urban + Offensive

Forts literally don't exist what the fuck.

Anyone who says Ottoblob was nerfed is lying
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>>173308147
I want to say yes? You should be able to annex them pretty immediately. Or is there a mechanic I'm forgetting?
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Not sure what you mean, you have to full annex them to become shogun, so it's kind of irrelevant if that's what you're referring to
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>>173308604
>>173308147
whoops
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I have never seen a stronger Poland than this. They're going to dominate everything this game.
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>>173308604
I though you had to only take Kyoto to become Shogun

oh well
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>>173308764
actually you might be right about that one

pretty sure there's a paradox video explaining that
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>>173307790
>literally all your original supporters leave you to die in dust
Have you looked around?

/pol/, r/the_donald, twitter, Breitbart, Infowars, etc, are all praising Trump for his 5D chess. The worst they've said about him is "it's too early yet! Trust le God-Emperor!"

They've got Stockholm syndrome worse than a Paradox buyfag.

Anyway, thinking of starting a new CK2 campaign and want to try something new. Already done Magna Roma & Zoroastrian revival, any ideas?
>>173308718
Poland's weird as shit sometimes. I've had games where they managed to spread all the way to China and colonized America.

Under the AI no less. It was pretty impressive.
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>>173308818
>bombing one airfield with minimal casualties is the same as glassing one of the most important cities in the conflict
wew
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>>173308887
I'm saying that nothing is going to make his supporters turn on him. Remember when he ran on the promise that he'd leave Syria the fuck alone? You think they'd be calling Trump out on this, but they're not.
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>>173308718
Hungary is weird sometimes, feels like every game I play they get a different dynasty.

In my current one they have a Trastamara, really thinking about breaking up the Iberians to prevent a a spanish version of your pic
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>>173308961

But plenty are
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>>173308816
yeah, just watched it. You become shogun but dont get any other ashikaga territory
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>>173308961
Remember in 2013 when Lord Cheetus said that Obama needed to get Congressional approval before bombing Syria?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373146637184401408

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373581528405905408
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>>173287597
ravensburg I think, that place was actually a jumbled mess they just represented the most significant principality in that area.
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>>173308818
>>173308965
Hungary has a random event where the Magnates choose a foreign successor if they don't like the dynastic one, which is how foreign nations often inherit it. But Bohemia is out of left field, as is Poland successfully vassalizing the Teutonic Order so early. And that's not even touching on the ludicrous expansion into the Horde (although I wonder if Sunni rebels will make them regret that).

Still I'm looking to ally Poland and France once Italy drops out of the HRE. I'll need huge allies if I'm going to try to form the Kingdom of Italy.
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>>173298354
Nah mate you should conquer what you call the Midwest Alliance and establish Grossconfederatiums.

Also do you have cores on cuba and Hati? Did you take them before the civil war?

Also are you guarantied to get cores on all lands you make a slave state?
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Is he really based?
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>>173308961
>they're not.
Wrong.
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Can Assad help plan reprisal attacks against the US on /gsg/ like his father did?
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>>173308961

This is already being said to be a one off thing, the Russians were warned in advanced and they will have warned the Syrians. It's just dick swinging and will achieve nothing.
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What are some good nations/strategies for getting high army tradition?

Found myself with 100 in my current ottoman game and these generals are absurd
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>>173278529
>1er armée

>>173280262
>Criméenne Caucase
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>>173309781
Prussia is the easiest.
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>>173309616
>This is already being said to be a one off thing

Tillerson is posturing about getting Assad out of Syria. This isn't WW3, but we're kicking doors soon.
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>>173309848
looks like it, everyone else needs a policy with >espionage

one of these days I'll have to git gud and go through with a brandenburg game
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tfw can't catch Ming in tech because of the new tributary system
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>>173309905

How many times have the US said "Assad must go", give me a break, there will be no invasion of Syria.

You are no longer the god of the world, Russia has caught up again and are showing their influence, the US can't do whatever it wants without losing a lot more than they could ever gain.
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>>173310112
Why the fuck have they not collapsed? They did lose the mandate, right?
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>>173310192
>How many times have the US said "Assad must go"

How long has Trump been in power?
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>>173309781
Custom Nation
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>>173310232
Why would they lose the mandate? They just war on every single neighbour until they have 20+ tributaries and then have spent half of the game sitting on max mandate.
With all that mana they have coming in Ming is a consistent two tech levels above me so not even I can defeat them.
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>>173310241
Why do you think he'd be more determined than obama against Assad when he wants to bomb terrorists?
Also how certain is it that Assad did it anyway, the regime is a patchwork of factions and his gas stockpiles were destroyed under international supervision.
Plus Trump's busy with Xi now, which is something his supporters care more about, that alone is enough of a distraction
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>>173310461
>Why do you think he'd be more determined than obama against Assad when he wants to bomb terrorists?

Because he just sent 80 tomahawks into Syria.
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>>173310494
Nice, now the american public is going to forget about his ties with Russia, just like they forgot what he did last week.
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The imperial reforms that the Chinese emperor can make are kind of lame. They're all okay, but nothing very interesting.

The HRE reforms are way better, there's actually some challenges to completing them, and thy make you stronger.
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>>173310241

This is a one off attack, the Pentagon have already said so, fire a few missiles at empty planes.

Well done, if that is the best you can do it's laughable.
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>>173310576
>This is a one off attack

Yeah, sure.
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>>173310494
They're in cahoots
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>>173310337
Don't you need their capital to become qing?
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>>173310232
Mandate is like Imperial Authority now. Ming rarely drops to the point where it gives negative benifits. They also start with about 3x the income of Ottomans and 100 fore limit.

>>173310112
>>173310337
I think you really need to cripple them early on and get the help of Oirat to kill them.
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>>173310787
Yeah I grabbed Bejing as Manchu but I had to peace out when they stopped sending piecemeal armies and marched one hundred and fifty thousand men into my lands.

I think I'm done with this game. Ming are retardedly strong now.
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Why yes I would like half of Italy, thank you.

This new transfer subject business is something else.
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>>173310987
scorch provinces
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>>173291179
>he has mercs
>not just running around to make him lose due to attrition thencancle because bankruptv
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>>173310987
You took their capital without using the "take mandate" cb or whatever it's called then
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>>173310987
>>173310967
Gotta abuse those retarded strong Banner Cav units.

>tfw didn't even have general advantage
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

Here's a tutorial for you silly barons.
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>>173294907
>not using the superior 'send diplomats to all' option which is the only reason to buy this DLC
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>>173295235
>heirs keep dying
>not making your king a General to farm IA
WEW lad
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>>173298235
Mass oubliette and mutilation
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Did !!rqwPnTvelLn ever upload MoH and all the other DLC? I looked through the last threads and he only uploaded the game.
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>>173311178
How are you not getting rolled over by 80k+ angry chinks?
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>>173311346
I've been mostly leaving it automated, but the thing is absolutely retarded. Since tributaries are subjects, they can get +200 improved relations, and the auto-diplomat will sit on one subject until he's at +200, even if his net relation has been maxed for years.
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Got to 1964 in Darkest Hour using New World Order 2 and all my generals retired and no one has replaced them REEEEEEE I thought this was a Cold War Mod REEEEEE!!!
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>>173306874
Yep, you want to have 4 PU by the holy wars
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Is there a good tutorial for how to spread a heresy, or just spreading religions in general? Messalianism appeals to me.
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CKII post. Welcome to the Jewish Fatimid Empire. Still Sayyid so kebab has +5 opinion of me. Also Jewish mamluk vassal mercenaries. Yessssss.

Ironman save
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what first idea should i get for france?
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>>173311794
Proselytize with your court chaplain?
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>>173309420
Can you explain how I get a PU over them as Austria
Their heir is 10 so I broke the alliance
Do I need to claim the throne when he's 15, and war, and if i claims the throne but he dies I assume I lose the claim
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>>173311940
if a ruler dies without an heir they get the dynasty of someone they have a royal marriage with

you can only claim their throne if you share dynasties, they don't have an heir, or the heir has a weak claim, age being irrelevant

If they get a strong or average heir you lose the claim, but if they die without an heir you automatically get PU over them, unless they have a PU of their own
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>>173311794

if you're talking ck2, give temple holdings to characters of your chosen religion. Also the county, and if possible make sure they have zealous trait.
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>>173309420
one upside I suppose is that they can't form PLC since they have multiple PUs and Lith definitely has more than 31 provinces
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>>173312091
the latter also may trigger a succession war with someone else with a royal marriage with them, or one of your rivals, but since they're the attacker they usually don't contest if you have strong allies
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>>173312179
Poland doesn't need to integrate lithuania to become the plc
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>>173312278
yes but those are the requirements to take the decision

unless those don't apply for AI Poland?
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>>173311198
Stupid. People are loyal to more than money and power. Regimes such as NatSoc Germany and the USSR have been purely ideological in nature. From the perspective of third world shitholes then sure, but the nations of the world have been driven by more than just power and profit.
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>>173313075
>Regimes such as NatSoc Germany and the USSR have been purely ideological in nature.

What did he mean by this?
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>>173313147
The ruling class of NatSoc Germany didn't rule for the sake of ruling and having money, It genuinely wanted a Gross Germanium for the Aryan race. If it was only about money and power to them, they would've just taken power, anchlussed Austria and the Sudetenland and went 'we've had enough' and the regime probably would be around to today, but they didn't. They genuinely believed in what Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf.

Early USSR was also similar in that they wanted a world-wide communist revolution. And the pragmatic Stalin debunks the video completely when even if ideology can't be applied to him he killed 'keys' and replaced them whenever he liked. He even killed extreme loyalists because he thought they weren't loyal enough and there was no massive uprising to have him removed when he did that.
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>>173310035
Easier to go with the Teutons if you manage to join the HRE, youll probably lose some land to poland, but it's worth it.
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>>173313075
It's not like the nazi depended on loyal rich industrial families or that the most loyal to the USSR were also the most priviliged, right.
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>>173313339
>The ruling class of NatSoc Germany didn't rule for the sake of ruling and having money, It genuinely wanted a Gross Germanium for the Aryan race.

You're missing the point. This isn't about what rulers inherently *want* to do, this is about the compromises that rulers are required to make in order to keep power.
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>>173313452
>depend

No, they really didn't. Hitler ditched a rich banker as the head of the Reichsbank and appointed an ideologue. No one did anything about it. The rich were either integrated into the regime, like Krupp, or dependent on it rather than the other way around.

As for the USSR, like I said Stalin killed people as he liked and no one stopped him.

>>173313470
The examples I've listed have made no compromises. Hitler ditched the rich moderate conservatives from the coalition he had with them as soon as he stopped needing them.
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>>173313562
>Hitler ditched the rich moderate conservatives from the coalition he had with them as soon as he stopped needing them.

So... he discarded the keys which were no longer necessary to his continued success?

Did you actually watch the video?
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>>173298007
the key is to try and kill everyone you can and go over your forcelimit
and dont rival anyone for those cheeky alliances
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>>173313562
I also want to bring up his point on revolutions. The Bolsheviks completely eradicated the former 'keys', they didn't just reuse them. They were removed, entirely. Same case with the French Revolution where the old aristocrats had absolutely 0 influence in the Robespierre regime.

>>173313607
The video implies you are completely dependent on your keys which no, Hitler wasn't. The NSDAP and ruling class of WW2 Germany were an Adolf Hitler Fanclub. If he wanted x y z and done despite it being against someone's interest, it was done.
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the AI has changed. Now I have to wait 30 years to white peace this stalemate
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How do you become Japan? I had the Ashikaga declare war on me presumably for getting to big so I beat back the alliance but now I've lost the Daimyo CB.
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>>173313730
>starting war with ming as nippon without having superior navy
uhh
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>>173313798
become Shogun by taking Kyoto. You get all the vassals that the current shogun had, but the former shogun becomes independent

The Shogun will have a unify Japan decision which changes your tag to Japan, causes all Daimyo vassals to become independent, and gives you the new ideas and traditions event (not worth it usual), plus changes youre government type
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>>173313694
>If he wanted x y z and done despite it being against someone's interest, it was done.

The implication is that he therefore had *many* keys and none were not expendable. It's not that he didn't *have* keys. Hitler had the mob.
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>>173313837
secret is in the first sentence. Last time I played the ming would just dump troops on Japan. As long as your army was larger than the number of transports they had you just stack whiped them on landing until Ming white peaced, then Korea was free picking.

Now the seem content to just blockade
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>>173313947
That's precisely my point. The video makes it out like the mob/people and the ideology behind them doesn't matter when they do. It makes it out like revolution/change doesn't matter because the exact same people would be behind it when the keys of Hitler's Germany had nothing to do with Weimar Germany's keys, same with the USSR having nothing to do with any of the Tsar's keys.
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>>173313837
>Not relying on divine winds to sink the enemy fleets.
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>>173314190
>The video makes it out like the mob/people and the ideology behind them doesn't matter when they do.

The mob *itself* is the key, in that case. Or, rather, you, by unlocking the mob, are your own key.
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>>173312091
I mean specifically for Austria and Hungary, as according to the >>>r/eddit guide im trying to follow there may be an event but it's really badly worded
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>>173313837
>>173314086
No problem. AI is back to normal
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>>173314234
>not creating dragon twister for 50 sword mana to destroy entire chinese army
baka
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>>173313694
>if he wanted it done it was done
Except the main thing we have learnt from Holocaust studies is how weak a dictator hitler was, officers were left to their own ideas. For example 16 different bureaus dealt with 'the Jewish question', which is one of the reason why the 'holocaust' was so backwards in implementation and Jews died by a variety of means
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>>173314410
Wait really? I don't play EU4.
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>>173314410
>sword mana
No you use Kanji-mana to summon storm spirits, although it may spawn an event which gives -20% development in the nearest coastal province to the transport ships
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>>173314509
The holocaust was an afterthought done during a time of war. The fact that it was done at all proves that Hitler's regime was founded on ideology.
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How is the new dlc? Seems like trying to meet all age criteria would force you to play a certain way and leave even less room for fun
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>>173314735
eh its shit. what do you expect.
>lets expand some of the most boring parts of the world where is always a stalemate until ming blows up.
>some op banner units for early game
>and more objectives for the op nations aka buffing op nations
shit
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gibe dee el see pls
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>>173315959
http://store.steampowered.com/app/538020/

Here you go!
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eternal latin btfo
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>>173316315
>eu:rome in 2017
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>become shogun
>two OPMs don't ebcome my vassals for some reason
>they immediately become tributaries to Ming
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>>173315959
Alright I'm tired of fucking Johan and his cronies coming to shit up this thread and boast about how they're so rich to afford a piece of shit DLC so let me present to you both the full game and new update with DLC

http://igg-games.com/europa-universalis-iv-rights-of-man-free-download.html
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>>173316315
They lost provinces to barbarians? I recall them not having holes in an earlier screenshot.
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>>173316730
That's a civil war, not barbarians

>>173316486
It's pretty neat, but there's unfortunately not that much content.
>>
Anyone else feel like the massive state reduction has made late game EU4 really shit? Especially in areas outside of Europe.
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>>173316782
Oh! Yeah, my bad.

Also there's more content when you have a senate and more npcs, desu.
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russians uploading a new full repack of 1.20, should be up in few minutes
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rezmar i just want the dlc thanks <3
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>Commies win American civil war
>Commies win Russian civil war
>Commies everywhere
How do I get off the Deutsches Reich train?
I don't want to fight the commies.
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>>173317220
IIRC your independence depends on Germany entirely, you can't start anything.
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Guy guys

I tried playing Victoria 2 but it says i can only field 1 brigade of soldiers and at the start i could field 11
What's going on, what should i change to get it back to 11
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>>173317364
So I will get rammed in the ass,no matter what I do.
That is great to know.
I de-germanized the state on purpose and everything.
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Thoughts?
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Is there any way I can revert the change to states and keep playing Ironman and getting achievements?
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>>173317765
Update only is ~27 mb.


also
>>>https://www.skidrowreloaded.com/europa-universalis-iv-update-v1-20-incl-dlc-codex/
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>>173317423
uninstall and play reel gsg like hoi4
also
>>>/a/
we dont accept degenerates here
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>>173316830
Yes, they did this in Stellaris as well (if states = core systems). I don't know why they are desperate to bring the CK2 demesne system into all their other games.

I don't understand the logic behind their decision on this either but I'm guessing it's to make the late game harder/more grindy.
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>>173317423
You ran out of soldier pops anon.
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>>173291179
What's the limit on loans?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyDNTLlRgU

Ho ! Bongo ! Bongo ! Bongo ! I don't want to leave the Kongo ! No no no no !
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>>173317765
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I hate this
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>>173291179
>merchant republic
>getting mercs

What's the problem ?
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>>173317997
>(if states = core systems)
Not really that comparable.
no autonomy equivalent for the research in sectored systems, and you still get 75% of the energy/minerals, so like having 25% autonomy for those things, but not exactly since the sector still uses at least the energy so in practice only 25% autonomy for minerals in the sectored systems.

As far as logic it makes sense that you have a harder time to have direct control over a vast interstellar empire.
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>>173318080
these screens make me want to change localization to french even thought i dont know the language itself too well
is it the power of baguette
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>>173317765
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>>173318184
It's a fun way to snap up a few words, if not help learn a language.
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>>173318158
>As far as logic it makes sense that you have a harder time to have direct control over a vast interstellar empire.

Emperor did it just fine with his galaxy oh wait rebels.

Yeah, as far as what you are saying I agree with you though, I think I just meant that it's a rough equivalency ie - you're not getting the stuff you've conquered 100%

I want to add a mod that just gives me more states but I like getting achievements.
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>>173318184
I'm whoring with my screenshots a lot lately, enjoy.
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>>173316681
Become Ming's tributary yourself, attack them and then break the tributary with Ming
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>>173318286
How on earth can you get that much fucked in Civ ?
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Has anyone here revoked the privileges as Emperor? How do you keep Power Projection going when you aren't allowed any rivals? What a bullshit system this is.
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>>173307250
No matter what you do, unless you continually kill all bugs, they will immigrate to your planets and destroy your empire through a demographic shift as they out breed your home populations.

Seems oddly relevant to today
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>>173318286
maybe im going to give it a try then
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>>173318059
How do i make them pop? Decisions somewhere?
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>>173317765
He looks so happy.
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>>173318371
one of my first deity games back in vanilla.
I still won.
After the kremlin went up they could barely scratch my capitol.
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Troled hard [x]
Not troled [ ]
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>>173309828
yes, translation fails sometimes.
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>>173311046
>playing turcs

Are you learning the game or just tired to play France ?
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>>173318314
I just did it the hard way by declaring war and then spending fifteen years smashing chinks as they disembarked onto Japan.

I must have killed over three hundred thousand of them by the end but Ming was not in the least bit phased. It's moments like these that make me think there should be much more severe penalties for bottoming out on manpower.
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who is this bitch
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>>173318812
that's arumba
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>>173318812
Yao Pai Pai
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>>173318545
>not capturing 100+ divisions with a single encirclement
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>>173318146
keep us updated anon
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I wanna form Japan. Which country is canon?
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Took control of the polish divisions.(Both of them)
Objective is to keep land and be as much of a pain in the ass as possible. (It's working so far)
It's just a back and forth battle.
We advance a few kilometers,then they push us back and so on.
Established Foreign Legion but still ran out of usable men.
>>
What should I do in CK2?
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>>173319008
DH combat is a fucking joke. Now do the same thing in HOI3 ;^)
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>>173318617
I dodge this problem by playing vidjo in English. I don't care about shitty English, but shitty French makes my blood boil.
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>>173319584
literally none of the countries in the game formed japan, the closest one is tokugawa
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>>173319584
Tokugawa
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So fucking close to Paris.
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>>173319678
;^)
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Help !

>Mali is allied to Egypt
>Both won't accept to break alliance
>Fighting both of them on 2 different fronts may be hard if not impossible
>None of their rivals can help me

Any Ideas on how to deal with it ?
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>>173319787
>>173319678
I always thought encirclements were cheesy and unrealistic, I mean how many major encirclements were there in real life ww2? barely any and not on the scale where hundreds of thousands of troops were trapped in a field
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how do i expand as the anabaptists in after the end?
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>>173319861
Stalingrad
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>>173319849
declare war on ethiopia or one of other shitholes, call egypt
declare war on mali
end war with mali first
profit
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>>173319861
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>>173319787
>India Occupation
>1941

Nice cheats friendo ;^)
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>>173319861
The battle of Kiev had 700000 soviet soldiers encircled, more than 600000 died.
And there were a few other where hundreds thousands were trapped, but yeah, most encirclements probably only concerned a single division or even less.
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>>173320042
You do realise that when you invade the isles and the UK capitulates you get their entire empire don't you anon?
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>>173319979
>DANG

Why couldn't I think about it myself
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>>173320104
nuthin personnel kiddo
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Catholic Denmark is the emperor. No one has ever done that.
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>>173319584
Not him but which one is the closest from today dominant japanase culture? the one that live in Tokyo and make anime?
I know that in modern anime there is Kanto, the idealized rural area like Pokemon or Kantai, Tohoku,ect....
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Press 'F' to pay respects
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Did 1.20 break hunting pirates, or have I forgotten how to do it? I give the fleet the mission and they either sit there in port and do nothing or sit in the water and do nothing.
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>>173320254
kill
your
self
>>>/a/
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>>173320236
I've got a soft spot for Scottish plays because it was my first game and I got trampled into the fucking dust within a century

Can I see your borders?
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>>173320371

are they hiding?
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>>173319685
What about Shimazu? Wernm't they the most powerful backer of Meiji?
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>>173320387
Don't be so agressive, only slavs can sperg about nations?
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>>173320454
Nope. My light ship fleet is hiding, but it's still doing its job of protecting trade. I'd screenshot it, but my toaster will break and there's no information being given about it. I pick the mission, it turns the mission select icon into the arrow, I click on something else, I click on the fleet, and the mission select icon is back again.
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>Holy ROMAN Empire
>Can't add Carthage
jdimfsa already
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>>173320548
>only slavs can sperg about nations
Neo-/gsg/ everyone.
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>>173320474
The Tokugawa were the ones who de facto unified japan for 250+ years, the Shimazu were basically a vassal state
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>>173320607

Are you at war? They shouldn't hide if there aren't hostile fleets threatening them
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>>173320676
>unsurprisingly, the honorary niggers hate the honorary aryens
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Johan still hasn't refunded the EU4 shit I bought during Christmas, 4 fucking months later. How do I get at his marxist swedish ass?
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>>173320392
Just mindless speed 5 colonization before I get imperialism, then I'll go fight France.
England is way weaker than I am, but I don't want to fight them. We've been allied since the beginning.
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>>173320617
>revoke in 1600
Bretty good. Any new ways for fast revoke in the new patch?
>>
ottoman core creation cost was nerfed from 33% to 20%
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>>173321065

>scottish mexico

I don't even want to imagine this timeline
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>>173321217
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What are my options if i want to play a ww2 era gsg?
Looking at the steam reviews all of the games dealing with ww2 are broken and or suck in different ways.
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>>173321215
Slowpoke.jaypeg
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>>173321301

thank god it didn't work

can you just conceive the kind of people that scot/indio half-breeds would be
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>>173321065
>England is way weaker than I am, but I don't want to fight them. We've been allied since the beginning.
>We've been allied since the beginning.
>Fight France
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>>173321105
I haven't played the new patch. I got the tip for a faster revoke from some guy in here.

Make all your rulers Generals provided they have the vote and (obviously) an heir. General Rulers tend not to last much beyond age 60 (and most of mine die mid 50s) whereas non-General rulers can get up to 75. It's luck based of course but if you can get 2 or 3 rulers before the reformation is in full swing that's a 30 point boost.

The other thing you should be doing anyway is fucking The Ottomans hard before they can get Anatolia and The Balkans. Adding all that territory to the Empire is a reform in itself. Inheriting or diplo-annexing Hungary is a reform in itself.

Finally, cannibalise your own land and release Styria and Tirol (but not the gold mine province of Tirol) but this is risky because if you end up not as the Emperor you've fucked yourself and need to switch to a blobbing game while The Princes rip the piss out of the Saxe-Lauenburg Emperor or whoever they elected and destroy everything.
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>>173321306
hoi 3
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>>173321065
cuck
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>Türkestan is winning against the Soviet Republic and Iran at the same time
>Soviets had 142 divisions last time I checked
>Now they have 42
>>
what is cream.api?
>>
>>173320617
>Buidling Shipyard

Wut ? Who need more...boats.
>>
>>173321779

it's a file that describes how i interface with your mother
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>>173321878
we didn't churn our own diary for a while but glad to see you are willing to help us around the house
>>
>>173320617
give Constantinople to Byzantium shitlord
>>
>Want to start a comfy game based on growing tall and enjoying my advanced empire while poking some wars time to time
>Already did 2 full Netherland game
>Don't want to play a colonial nation because it's boring
>Don't want to play HRE emperor
>Feel like I'll fall to greed if I play outside of Europe

I don't know anymore... maybe Naples...again ? Any ideas ?
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>>173322048

fake romans. sad!
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>>173322074
nippon desu
new patch is sugoi kawaii, take the island and build tall
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>>173321790
high priority building desu
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>>173322074
Play a better game
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>>173322048
Once I get the smell out maybe. I don't think they even deserve Athens my man.
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>>173320617
Dude, your own country is looking at the right direction yet you refuse to see it. Invade UK ASAP
>>
what about...

the dlc?
>>
>>173321618
Sorry, let me be more clear.
None of the Hoi games work on modern systems (either won't start or crash after a couple minutes) and hoi4 is apparently shit
>>
>>173322150
Hum. What is the difference between the DLC and just the update ?

I'll see if I want to wait to buy it first.
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>>173322321
what about it?
>>
>>173322414


post it my negro
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>>173317824
>>173322459
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>>173322296
England's been my bro all game (and nearly a PU several times) but then they invaded Hainaut and refused The Unlawful Territory. Once they've done some more colonising for me western England goes to Wales and Cornwall, the Danelaw goes to the Dutch.
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>>173322496

nice familia

fuck johan, fuck white people
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>>173322218
like what ?
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>>173322128
>litteraly romans
>fake romans
wut?
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>>173321065
Well nevermind. They're mad that I colonized some mehican provinces to join my territories.
Invade London nao
>>
If I pirate the DLC but still have all the other DLC on steam, will I get fucked or wut ?
>>
>>173322074
What game are you talking about? EUIV ? you can play tall in EUIV?
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>>173322685
>literally greeks
>fake romans
What?
>>
>>173322746
There is a slim chance (ie rumours on /v/ about vac bans) but I've been doing it for years with CK2 and EU4.
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>>173322769
>you can play tall in EUIV?
depends on how you determine whether you can play wide or not.
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>>173322741
England is the worst ally you can get
>>
what's the /gsg/ with the most detailed combat?
>>
>>173322074
Pick Ceylon and go merchant republic.
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>>173318137
Isn't it risky to do that shit?
>>
>Tall
>Wide
I have seen those terms thrown around a lot. I know that they´re mean one to stay in place or blob all over the mop, could you guys tell me which one is which?

And yes, I know that this is a retarded question.
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>>173322769
>Form Netherland
>Conquer the rest of the region
>Spend everything you'd spend on coring and war claims to dev

If done right in 1550 you are 1st and rich beyond sense

I also like to play "semi-tall" like

>conquer all south america with Incas
>develop the whole continent
>600 gold per month
>>
How do I get the middle east to attack Israel?
>>
>>173323234

export trucks
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>>173323234
This is a child friendly board
Get out, islamophobe antisemite
>>>/pol/
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>>173323193
Tall is stay in place, wide is blobbing.

Stacking your tokens in a tall tower, or spreading them out wide over the table.
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>>173322782
I didn't know immigration changed your ethnicity.
The byzantine nobles are the court of Rome, they just moved their capital because the economic activity of the empire slowly shifted to the eastern part of the empire, they appointed a suborninated "junior" western emperor but the eastern emperors are still the emperors of the roman empire.
The Pope invented that primacy thing (despite the fact the last chalcodenean council rather affirmed the primauty of Constantinople and Rome was still a vassal of the Byzantine Empire for several centuries) and crowned Charlemagne as the Roman Empire but that didn't actually make sense at all.
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>>173323208
t. kojak
t.urkslayer
t. faysal
t. crimsonhead
t. rob
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>>173323193
It comes from Civ

>Tall
Fewer cities focused on high value ressources and high population

>Wide
LOLOLO I've got a huge shitty empire

I hate playing wide. I'm way too perfectionist for that
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>>173323349
What games actually allow you to play tall?
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Is this blobbing?

I was thinking of raising the trade value of the nippon trade node by as much as possible, so taking all the nodes that lead to it, and the nodes that go one step away from any of those nodes so no one can siphon away trade with provincial trade power from trades downstream.
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>>173323386
eu4 just sucks ass for playing tall

>>173323474
in civ 5 I never go for more than 3 cities unless doing domination
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>>173323474
>What games actually allow you to play tall?
Every game without any additional qualifier to the question.

Depends on what you see as the goal.
>>
so i kinda wanted to get into this kinda game but...
what is going in this thread?
>>
>>173323631
Every so often some guy dumps his homosexual coprophagia folder. Homosexual-Coprophagia - truly the thinking man's fetish.
>>
>>173323631
This is our traditional scat-gay friday.
>>
>>173323631
>what is going in this thread?
Steamgruppe, steamcordplaza, radicalyugoslavia, reddit, discord
Report and ignore.
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>>173323631
we are being raided
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>>173323631
If someone posts anything racist this guy goes on an anti-/pol/ rant and does literal shitposts as some kind of form of revenge.
>>
>>173323769
good
anime is degenerate
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>>173323769
Yes as you can see anime is what destroying /gsg/ fuck le weeabos amirite they're DEGENERATE XDXD
>>
>>173323769
I post my sweaty british guy and it gets deleted within seconds
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>>173323813
Based.
>>
>>173323813
>fighting racism with scat
Do all liberals have braindamage?
>>
>>173323916
>a 12 years old girl
>>
What would be good names for Austrian ships?
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>>173324024

she's 19, actually
>>
>>173324321

I already have it plus all the DLC
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>>173324028

SMS Binnenschiff
SMS Nichtwasser
SMS Hochseetraum
SMS Ententeich Kaiserin
SMS Franz Ferdinand
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Is this normal or did I get unlucky? Like half of my vassals have high liberty desire, mostly from conquering all the OPM in Japan and now being BIG the first 10 years before I could vassalize anyone.
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>>173324461
>Like half of my vassals have high liberty desire
welcome to nippon
>>
>>173324549
Yeah, but the fedora man didn't have these issues at all. His vassals basically butted head without any large territorial changes.
>>
>>173324461
>playing ashikaga
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>>173312179
They actually changed that. Poland can form the PLC even if they have more than one union.
>>
>>173324625
Like look at Hosokawa here, 15 years into the game and they basically own half of Japan.
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>>173324443
I need dozens but I found this

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rGzXg10iA8YC&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=names+for+austrian+ships&source=bl&ots=Y5YumQjV3k&sig=HRtCdWvKRlVrHBVeB38mzd4pCm4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiR8oukwJLTAhXlAsAKHXshCz8Q6AEIdTAQ#v=onepage&q=names%20for%20austrian%20ships&f=false

thanks for the help though, adding your names now
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>>173324625
>fedora man
?
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Wew lads, had to actually pussy out and accept the peace, since I actually managed to lose (almost) all manpower as China(I swear to god most died to fucking commies) and OOB was complete mess by the end. Also Japs were on their way to breaking through Vietnam.

>>173284010
Fuckin japs man
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>>173324461
Why don't you take Athens?
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>>173322986
Ming is ridiculous in this fucking patch. Highest development in the game, everyone is tributary and they also spawned global trade in their node. There is literally zero chance they lose the mandate of heaven against another AI.
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>>173325312
Wrong reply.
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>>173306874
Attack whoever has a center, CB or not. If you're fast enough Protestant won't survive more than few year.

Worst scenario is if it pops in free cities. If so, just reload.
>>
Are Lika and Dalmatia (hungarian and venician stuff along the coast of Bosnia austrian clay? I´m inclined to let them have it as long as I can get historical Ottoman borders there myself. Well, not exaclty, I´m getting the whole of Serbia and Wallachia down the line.
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>>173325312
I noticed that too. Ming is OP bt what would you expect from a DLC based solely on them...
>>
>>173324980
quill18
>>
any Swedes ITT?
>>
/gsg/, who should i play in ck2 and what goals?
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>tfw not independent
I could wreck the Soviets now.
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>>173325809
Me
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>>173325809
yes

>>173325867
Either go for some OPM on Isle of Man, Gotland, Venice, Crete/Cyprus/Baleares and get as beefy as you can with 1-2 developed provinces or go for independent Switzerland/Frisia
>>
>>173325809
busy prepping jamal, but i'll get back to you as soon as i hit the cuckshed
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>>173326035

are you in stockholm? Some uppity tanned swedes are having a party
>>
>>173325809
yep
>>
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Ok, which nation should I be playing as?
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>>173326079
I can only tell you that if you buy stellaris and HoI4


pls
>>
>>173325867
Start in 1066 as Abbasid caliph under the Seljuks and remove Turks and Shia from your rightful territory.
>>
What indian culture is the most aryan?
>>
>>173326153

already have both plus DLC
>>
>>173325867
Just look at the map and see if any any objectives seems interresting to you.
>>
>>173326259

Londoner
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>>173326291
I'm hiding in the paradox tower at this moment, seems the new swedes are having a peaceful discussion with the old bigoted islamophobig and racist natives.
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Protestcucks are killing Emperor Hungary.
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>>173326259
all of them are functionally niggers
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>>173326145
Shibe, the meme Daimyo, for the new Japanese shit
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>>173326259
Rajput or Sindhi
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>>173326389

go get'em, girl

#bashTheFash
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What eastern european is fun to play in CK2?
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>>173326145
Amago, Shimazu or Uesegi.
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>>173326259
Poopstainian or Cuckaput
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I'm going to turn off the fog of war because I want to know what the FUCK is going on.
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>14% growth
muh dick
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>about to buy the DLC like I did for all of the previous ones
>20 euros

Fuck this shit ! where do I download it ?
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>>173326145
Kamchatka
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>>173317824
>>173326853
Mandate of Heaven
Download
DLC
Pirate
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>>173324461
>ashikaga
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>reading the patch notes
>the free patch adds devastation, if the devastation gets high you get a shitload of maluses
>but to get any benefit of having low devastation you need to buy the dlc
what the fuck?
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>>173317824
do i need to replace the skydrow crack or the 3dm are just fine?
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>>173327041
Classic johan
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>>173327041
hi newfriend. what an astonishing find! it's not like they've been doing this for the past 3 years.
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>>173327163
wat
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What the fuck are the Soviets even doing?
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>>173327252
turan stronk
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Can anyone upload the 2.7.2 ck2 patch?
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>your countrymen
I share nothing with shekela sheker
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I really REALLY wish the over-infamy event chain in my hpm game wasn't broken

it's quite ridiculous to keep winning containment wars and never get that event


asdhfka I want to cheat BUT I SHALL NOT
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>>173327857

they would've no power if your population didn't approve of their politics
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>tfw only ever marry homosexual women so that I can be 100% sure the children are my own
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>>173327235
the site says that i need the RoM skydrow codex but i use the 3dm crack that was located in the dlc activator zip, is that the same?
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What do I do now? I've claimed and civilized all of the Isles, population, tech and economy is booming and I've beaten Rome twice in a war. I don't really have anywhere else to go unless I start to directly blob into Rome but that doesn't seem much fun.
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Holy shit yes I finally expanded Montenegro.
>be montenegro
>try to up the tension in turkish montenegro the entire game
>after like 10 years a crisis starts but it attracts no attention
>try to conquer dalmatia from austria-hungary in like 1890, occupy some territory, get rekt by scandinavia
>italy later takes dalmatia
>october 1st 1927 a new crisis over montenegro starts, like 80 years after the first one
>like the first day turkey agrees to give me the territory
Feels good man.
Too bad I'm still a landlocked one province country.
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>>173328181
what country are you even
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>>173328256
Started as the Picts in northern Scotland
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>>173328241
Hmm no wait I'm not landlocked. Yes I can finally conquer the world.
Also the Communists are in charge in my country even though 93% of the population are Fascists.
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>>173328314
>Also the Communists are in charge in my country even though 93% of the population are Fascists.
sounds like modern day germany desu
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>>173326145
Timurids
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>>173328093
>>173328093
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I'm disgusted
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>>173326416
Did you join the League War for the boon?
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>>173328241
>>173328314
In EU4 Montenegro gets Zeta and it's not landlocked what the fuck
>>
>100% literacy
>get the rest of montenegro
>30% literacy
What the fuck.
Retarded Bosniaks.
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>>173328414
Nah, busy fighting England and France.
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Wait, why did my -190 "Annexed vassal" modifier just disappear? Everyone suddenly loves me now.
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>send officers subject interaction
WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?
If you designate a march and then send them officers you fucking turn them into space marines that fight for you. Do it someone with good ideaas and it's a fucking joke.
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What is the best Japanese new friend to become a major trade center ?
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>>173328181
The lands of Gaul are said to be green and fertile all year round, with all that growth you're experiencing, perhaps the frigid island of Britannia might not be enough to provide what your people need.
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>>173329572
Kono or Ouchi imo
Kono probably
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172301024
172301618
172301774

I am returned now after some exams if anyone cares

the at least partial victory over the war in japan is a good time to make symbolic reference to russia's planned total domination over asia in general
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>>173329774
piss
>>172301024
>>172301618
>>172301774
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>tfw King was a 4/5/5 and got the 100 tradition event

This achievement was pretty easy
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>>173329572
Japan sucks for trade because barely anything flows towards it.
Unite Japan, conquer the moluccas and maybe canton or something. Collect in the moluccas or even further away if you're feeling extra brave.
As for national ideas I don't know.
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>>173329572
By playing as European Japan.
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Did they change it so colonization no longer changes the province to your own culture and religion?
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Give me ANY reason why I'd unite japan in EU4 rather than in Shogun 2(I don't care about cheevos), ANY
As it stands now I'm going to do just that and afterwards start as the tokugawa in the thirty years war start.
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>>173329774
meanwhile it is time to take care of some unfinished business. the victory over the western powers of the crimean war means russia gets free reign to do whatever it wants to the turks.
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>>173330359
beacuse eu4 is a better game than shogun
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>>173318812
Mai Wai Fu
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>>173330370
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>think rome has run out of manpower, declare war on them
>manpower is measured in the thousands and they have nearly a million reserves
fug
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>>173329884
Wait what how did you expand that much so fast.
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>>173330318
It's been like that since before RoM, but only in africa and southeast asia.
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>>173330498
t. johan
not even close when it comes to the sengoku jidai.
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ded
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>>173330318
If you exterminate all the natives in events during the colonisations it still culture converts
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>>173329774
Nice to have you back but next time you post a pic of Japan could you not cover it with event text thanks.

But seriously hi nice to have you back this thread needs some nice posts.

>tfw when you are drinking and get so lonely that you get happy that some random meme in /gsg/ shows up

I was the dude who suggested that alternative strategy to annex Japan. The one where you let the shogun annex everything before you annex the shogun.(if you remember that)
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>>173330504
the western powers and their perfidy and autsim still feel that they must intervene on the turks' behalf. thankfully russia has been invited to this congress and so does not contest. it.
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>>173330503
shit taste tbqh senpai
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>>173317824
>can't be installed if you have a legit version of the game
>mfw
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>>173330953
russia gets a lot of slavic allies as a result. pan-slavists in all these governments are concerned about russia having prioritized greece over any of them in taking land from turkey. The tzar does not quite know why he did this, maybe he just likes the color of greece over bulgaria on the maps his generals present him with.
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someone give me a victoria 2 map mod

sick of the default
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Best southern trade nation ?

>Venise
>Genoa
>Provence

And why
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>>173331156
The shogun after the anti-foreign rebellion has re-established his rule over another daimyo, leaving his domain as the last bastion against russian imperialism
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>>173331397
vanilla is unrionically the best map in vickky 2.
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>>173325312
Is their development different when the you have the dlc enabled? It doesn't seem to have changed
They get mad mana though which they pump into their provinces with the dlc I've heard
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>>173331494
DLC doesn't matter. Before the patch, they had 50% minimum autonomy. Now they have 0%. They get mad force limit and make a bitch out of everyone in vicinity.
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>>173331150
why don't you just have a seperate pirate version of eu4?
Why do you have to play through steam?
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>>173331445
And as such, he will be taken care of for good, the time to act is now. unfortunately the (((western powers))) disagree. They are all horribly alarmed by russia's expansion and their failure to check it the first time, and so they're going to try again.
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Countries that are ridiculous now:
Any japan minor
Ming
Russia
Countries that got shafted:
All others

Ming never implodes now, japan has great ideas and russia's serfdom got removed (mercs are also more expensive now)
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>>173331634
Like this. Top power of the world. I don't think this should be a thing.
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>>173331634
So if you don't have the dlc you get a superblob and with the dlc it's more reasonable because tributaries(and do they poor mana into their provinces?)?
Paradox is really trying to make the game unplayable without dlc
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>daimyos declaring war on each other but never attack so you can never diplo-annex them
damn the AI got really smart
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>>173331809
I have the DLC. Does the picture you replied not look like a superblob?
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>>173331754
you missed the 4x general
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>>173331416
Mamluks, Navarran maybe

because pic
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Is Paradox the most jewish videogame company?
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>>173331685
the qing seem to see this as an extreme crisis point for russia. perhaps if they occupy the new settlements of vladivostock and others, they will stop russian troops from entering japan, thereby allowing the shogun to take back control of the country before japan is lost to russia forever, and as russia will be so occupied with a war in the rest, there would be nothing to do about it. russia would end up a shell of what it was and an irrelevant player on the world stage thereafter.
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>>173331754
>Any japan minor
Not really.
I'd say some are worse than the previous standard daiymo ideas.
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>>173331809
Without the dlc it's a superblob but with the dlc it's worse because ming sucks up mana as tribute giving them not only the biggest army but also a constant technological edge over europe
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ok then
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Rate my GroßMatebeliums

no idea how so many nigs assimilated tbqh
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>start as Venise
>Ally Austria
>Sweet then emperor is with me
>Ferrare get excommunicate
>Weepee
>"Milan will protect him"
>Wut
>No fucking way
>Can't be
>Check anyway

FUCK.THIS.GAME
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>>173331921
More development than the conquered provinces warrant, they seem to be going tall more than wide
I'm okay with supertall china 2bh but they also seem ahead in tech all the time
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>>173332126
also south america is a meme
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that's what i get for marrying a stronk independent woman who needs no liege instead of a landless qt

i died 1 year later, inheriting as the bastard, game over for me
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>>173332130
It's even worst than I thought

>WHAT ARE THE FUCKING ODDS
>RAGEQUIT
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>>173332225
>>173332047
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>>173330895
hello me lad

it looks like I'm kind of using that strategy here anyway

>>173332020
unfortunately for them russia is quite capable of defending itself on all fronts and the ideas of the enlightenment have been slow to reach such a remote place, and russia can force as many peasants as it likes into war. though this also implies shittier technology.
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end you dumb plague. 50% resistance my ass.
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So I want to play as a great big blob as Japan in HPM but I started the game as the Imperials and can't declare war? Do I have to play as the shogunate to blob? Any tips on blobbing? Should I take korea first?
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>>173332382
I wish this happened today.
>>
Did the romans get you, Pictbro?

>>173332451
Unfortunately because of air travel it'd spread all over the world way too fast, let's avoid that.
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>>173332330
So nerf incoming at high speed then?
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>>173332382
>red death
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>>173332441
You have to wait a few years before being westernized and getting the right Emperor on your throne.

Its a set date, so just play on speed 5 and wait for it. Once it happens, you'll automatically be at war, so get ready.

Keep good relations with the other Japanese minors, some will support you during the war against the shogun.
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>>173332543
I doubt it.
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>>173332645
I think I'm just going to play as the shogunate and blob into china
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>>173332516
>because of air travel it'd spread all over the world
even better
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>>173332626
Better dead than red?
how does that work now
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Guys, everyone over at Reddit has done their share by paying $19,99 for my Mandate of Heaven™ Expansion Pack®.

You can wait for it to go on sale, I won't be mad, just dissapointed.

If I find out one of you have been pirating my game, I swear to god, I will take the first plane out of Stockholm to murder your skinny white ass
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>>173332382
Also worth noting is that I'm defending against a crusade who have literally no power what so ever. Thanks for the opinion bonus I guess.

>>173332837
The disease is called "Thrax" which I think is a osmosis jones reference. the main villain is a red virus called thrax.
>>
>>173332126
Pretty neat, what's your plans now?
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>>173332347
because of russia's unexpectedly good performance in the war thus far they had been offered peace from germany and an admission of defeat by the british-german coalition. this was not a movement by bismarck but by wilhelm I, as the former is paranoid to extremity of russia and russian people against germany. wilhelm and the tzar see this war as realpolitik and are not very much upset with each other. But at the same time, the tzar declines wilhelm's peace offer and makes clear the intent of russia to annex koenigsberg and the other cities of east prussia. this is extremely alarming for the world; bismarck and some other leaders have sudden aneurysms and declare harsh trade restrictions against russia. so much for liberalism and free trade and the opium wars, huh? the perfidy of the west is exposed.
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>>173332273
chile's natural borders
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>>173332347
Don't stop posting, I'm lurking.
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dlc for bought game?
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>>173332126
8/10. Honestly that is cool. Post strategy?
>>173332273 kek how does that even happen

>>173332347
Haha I guess that's true. But you should try to use that meme exploit to annex Hungary/unless the fact that the KuK(I still don't get why we call them that and please can we stop because it means dick in norwegian) has formed prevents you from relising(I don't know how to spell that) Hungary.
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>>173333339
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>>173332293
>your dynasty stops if you are not the real father
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>>173333339
Madman
Annex Persia while you're at this blobbing spree
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explain yourselves paracux

>>173333151

johan looks like a very old baby in that picture
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>>173333516
Wait for Rezmar's upload
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>>173333339
This >>173333598 but also Galicia-Lodomeria, Central Asia, Manchuria, Korea and Kars.
Blob as much as you can before you win the last infamy war.
>>
What does the HoI3 flavornod in OP do?
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>>173333570
the stakes of this war are now higher and so britain feels compelled, driven by their fear for russian expansion into india, to actually do something rather than sit on their island. russia is harshly checked by superior technology and naval supremacy.
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>>173333724
i thought it was already out, RoM took like 4 hours to be uploaded, i'm disappointed >:^(
>>
Am I going to like EUIV if I like CK2?
>>
>>173333718
Aren't we all just really old babies?
>>
>>173333932
you're going to like my cock up your sister's bunghole
>>
>>173333582
>being this much of a cuck
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>>173333773
>>173333598
these are a few days old. I'm >>173327865 unfortunately.

>>173333859
Russian troops have stormed peking and destroyed anything beautiful they could find. There are reports of mass rape as well, but the generals over there and other people running the eastern front continue to deny it. xaxaxaxaxa
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>>173333981
Not me, I was born grown up already.
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>>173297678
Move at very high speed, attack them before mil tech 6, after that it's all over
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>>173334025
Legal children should always be your successor, lot of noble paternal lines were probably cucked but that's not like their dynasty was magically ended with them.
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>>173331778
But seriously though. Wasn't Ming the greatest power in this era anyway? It's not something we are taught a lot about in school because we're europeans, but I'm pretty sure they were.
>>
If I want to play as groBiums CSAiums should I ignore the northern states and just invest and put NFs on the future Confederacy?
Also, which of these or combinations should be CSA west africa
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>>173334887
Sure, let's look at history.
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What is the best starting date for vicky 2?
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>>173335001
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>>173335043
867
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>>173334887
Ming was the greatest power in the World from about the late 1300s to the early 1600s.

Around 1640 or so, they Mingsploded with rebels and got eaten up by the Manchus, whose governance kinda shitted China up for the next couple hundred years.
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>>173335031
The Manchu lead Qing dynasty came after successive rebellions in the early 17th century after European powers started meddling too much in China.
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>>173335043
1399
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>>173335031
Are the asians fun to play?
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>>173335001
pic
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Are Ashikaga ideas better or worse than Japanese ideas?
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>>173335224
Not since this patch, no. The only way you can play there is become a tributary of Ming and eat the other tributaries. After you complete surround them, maybe you can take on Ming and get the empire.
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>>173335031
But isnt most ot that Quing territory a wasteland? the Himalaya and all?
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>>173335343
>Himalaya
Anon...
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>>173335341
>expansion is Mandate of Heaven
>asian nations are made worse to play
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>>173335031
Ming had a population of more than 200 million while the ottoman and spanish empires only had about 30 million inhabitants
The great powers don't make sense outside of vicky 2 anyway
>>
>>173335343
The Qing territory in that timestamp includes Beijing, Qingdao, Nanjing and many other major Chinese cities.

Furthermore, over the next couple decades from that timestamp, the Qing would completely eat up the remnants of Ming, as well as the rest of what we would call modern-day China and Mongolia.
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>Spain doesn't join the war despite being part of the league
FUCK SPAIN
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>>173335341
>maybe you can take on Ming
If you wait you're fucked, if they manage to invest and develop their provinces thay can get up to 700+ forcelimit
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>>173335241
don't fucking blob in africa as the us, it's disgusting
there's plenty of north/south america to blob into
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>>173335485
great powers should only be an peen meter in eu4
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>>173335516
So China is an agglomeration of a lot of chinese nations? like if we considered a good bunch of Europe as a single country?
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>>173335531
Right, because taking them on in 1500 when they have 100k force limit and shitton of manpower is any better.
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>>173335524
Is there even a point to go on as Austria if the heretics win permanent control of the HRE?

Guess I could just leave the empire and try to ally with fucking Poles.
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>>173331809
Omg, why do someone always whine about this? Are you so poor that you can't pay a bit of shekels to play the full experience, of a game you seemingly love to spend time playing?

The DLCs are not really meant to be "oh hey, if you want some extra, then you can buy this DLC and it will be an enhanced experience".

The DLSs are actually meant to be "Oh btw now we are updating the game, and this will be the game from now on until we update some more. But sure you may play the game without the DLCs if you really want to - have fun with that..."

Yes, so they are shitting on people who can't pay for their full game. Just accept it. Don't fight it. Play the full experience. And why wouldn't you, the game has been improved upon time after time again. Try playing without the DLCs and see how fun that will be.
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>>173335665
Something like that. Hell, even back in the 1912 Chinese Republic days, their five-colour flag paid tribute to their multiethnic nature.

The five colours represented Han Chinese, Muslims, Mongols, Tibetans and Manchus. And within the languages associated with the Han Chinese, you've got several lingual branches (unified by a common writing system despite some of these Chinese lingual branches being nothing alike in pronunciation - Cantonese vs. Mandarin, for example)
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>>173335831
>reddit spacing
>shilling for johan
>>>/r/paradoxplaza
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>>173335732
Exactly, my point is wait for the next patch that hopefully fixes this mess
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>>173335831
fag the whining comes from sympathy, if I didn't have any I'd just pirate it all
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Wait, which province have I missed for cultural unification? I thought Ryuku was the last one.
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>>173335545
The British banned the slave trade prior to the ACW, how else is the CSA supposed to get slaves
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>>173335759
>Leave the Empire
>Build up power
>Fall to Revolution
>Become Revolutionary Austria
>Dismantle Empire
>Dominate Europe
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>>173335831
t. Johan
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>>173336027
I'll take it and hope that France and the Ottomans don't kill me.
Fuck becoming protestant.
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>>173331778
Reason it seems retarded is because the idea of a universal "Great Power" that spans the entire world was unheard of in fucking 1444 paradox pls.
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>>173335993
Switch to culture map
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>>173335993
Are you a tributary
that messes it up
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>>173335995
right, fair point
i didn't notice he was going CSA
you could also always try going for serfdom and them slaving the serfs
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>>173336176
Already looked through it, but perhaps I missed something.

>>173336230
Yeah, I'm a tributary. Why would it affect cultural unification though?
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>>173336150
This is not 1444. But I think great powers should be limited to Europeans only. Intervening in wars should be a thing in that timeframe, but only yuropoors should be able to do so (includes ottoblob and ruski)
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>>173336286
it's a bug
Don't be a subject in any form
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>>173335926
>>173336053
Yes well even so, I'm right.

>>173335976
Sympahy you can have for the poor people without proper homes to live in, or food on the table.
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>>173336286
>Yeah, I'm a tributary
You fucking cuck. Do you not realize how easy it is to beat China as Japan? They only have 30 transports.
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>>173335759
>Is there even a point to go on as Austria if the heretics win permanent control of the HRE?
Convert.
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>>173336362
people who complain should be cared about, they're still potential buyers, since the ones that go pirate mode aren't complaining
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>>173336362
Go suck Johan's cock on reddit or pdxplaza.
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>>173336234
So I'm going to do this in the new world, probably just the blue from >>173335241
I don't want to blob nigeria, but there's historical precedent. The igbo from the western half of the delta and the yoruba from the eastern half made up a huge amount of America's slaves. I might just take benin oyo and the bit of yoruba held by the sokoto. Regardless I'll keep liberia
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Second one in China. Epic.
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>>173336531
Yes, it makes sense in my mind to care about them in a business sense. But then again, maybe the businessmen working in the sales department of this company knows a little bit more about it than you (and me). Sorry I know that's cheap of me, but hey I think it makes sense to use this argument.

But I was more aiming for the people who are complaining, not what paradox should or should not do. I think it's a silly thing to complain about. I mean, aren't we all pretty much in an agreement that the game is only getting better and better? I mean, we would be bored to death without these dlcs that are thrown down our throats. I would rather complain if they didn't change and improve the game.
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>>173337005
fuck off you goddamned jew
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>>173337005
That's not an argument that's an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy.
besides I only don't have the dlc because I haven't gotten around to playing the game yet, but I have plenty of time to phonepost
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>>173337005
Yes yes DLCs are great oh i love them too, Johan, please release more, i won't forget to buy stellaris and HoI4!
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>>173336978
damn, they got global trade
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>>173335531

that's when you come knocking at their door with your 3000 force limit after you conquered rest of the world while being Ming's good little tributary state for 300 years or so

they don't care about your AE or all that shit as long as you pay them on time each year
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>>173337005
>I mean, aren't we all pretty much in an agreement that the game is only getting better and better?

the entire idea behind trolling is to be believable
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>>173337875
Yeah, Beijing has 51 value and none of it leaves. My Carribean has 50.5, but Spain takes third of it away even though they don't own a single province and I'm embargoing them. Downstream trading is truly epic.
>>
EUIV is on sale, is it worth buying the base game to pirate the DLC, or should I just get the cheapest expansions and call it a day?
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>Korea enforcing peace on me against ming
>they have less than half my development

This seems fair.
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>>173338069
support based paradox and buy every dlc you goddamn jew
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>>173332020
>>173331685
>>173331445
>>173331156
disgusting russian blob
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>>173338260
okay johan.
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>>173338069
Just buy everything or nothing. If you are poor you can pirate everything. Why buy the basegame and then pirate the rest of it? Wouldn't it be better to simply pirate the basegame too then?
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>>173338069
>is it worth buying the base game to pirate the DLC

bingo, reminder to support developers who deserve it
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>>173338069
base game and pirate all dlcs is the way, but you have to wait a bit longer to have the last one
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>>173338387
Buying games does nothing to support code monkeys.
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>>173338069
Buy something if you like the game and can afford it.

Then pirate the rest.
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I bet you guys didn't notice this change yet.
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>>173331416
Genoa is comfiest and they have pretty OP ideas too
provence is shit, venice is pretty good too but i prefer Genoa
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>>173338542
>Genoa is comfiest and they have pretty OP ideas too
Their ideas aren't that good, but their mercantilism missions are very good.
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Id's gonna be habbening soon
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So, playing HoI4 and my favorite chinklets, and I'm not sure what the fuck just happened, maybe it was because I split up my units in to several smaller armies instead of what I normally do, but I just straight up punched right the fuck through the Japanese and attritioned unto death their entire invading army. Normally for me, it takes awhile to do anything meaningful, considering I'm still a bit of a noob with this game at 57 hours.
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>>173338517
but why
Denmark and Savoy aren't even close
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>>173338631
literally best ideas in the game for naval combat and decent stuff for trade too
inb4
>naval combat lmao
no better way to cuck ottos than fucking them over with galleys
>>
what COA do I get for my custom kingdom in ck2 Krakow or Vitebsk?
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>>173338517
jesus christ what a bunch of complete retards
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>>173338478
this
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>>173338690
why didn't they just use the zoom in boxes like darkest hour for oversized islands, no way that would look more jarring than that fuckhuge Iwo Jima
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>>173338338
I like paradox and want to support them. They made some of my absolute favourite games of all time. But I despise their shitty DLC policy. That's why.

>>173338387
>>173338424
>>173338505
Alright, I guess I'll just get the base game.
>>
>>173338690
HoI4 plays by itself.
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>>173338478
my point was that paradox does not deserve your support for being money grubbing grabblers
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>>173338854
Why, is the flag wrong?
>>
>>173339184
savoys flag looks a lot like denmarks, but anybody who plays more than 20 minutes can tell the difference, i've never seen that flag before in my life
>>
>>173339089
If you like what they're doing then it's fair to support them. They are a business, so I don't personally take offence for their policies of making money. But then again, I'm not poor.
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>>173339184
Yes, this is the right flag, the FERT was the national motto but was never on the flag itself, as >>173339274 they are too stupid to know the difference between that and denmark just like sweden and france
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>>173338774
Their trade ideas are pretty low tier.
10% trade eff, and some minor trade power.

>literally best ideas in the game for naval combat
They only have 20% morale to help them in combat.
They have some other stuff to support them in naval war.

England has their morale, beats their morale even due to navy tradition, then they have ship hull and combat ability.

Kono beats them. Norway beats them.
>>
>>173339391
Yeah I guess you're right. I see now (by googling) that the old flag was the accurate one. I always hated the change they did to the Swedish flag, so I guess I hate this one too.

How about the Italian flag? Is that accurate? I always thought it looked weird.
>>
>>173338926
>I like paradox and want to support them. They made some of my absolute favourite games of all time. But I despise their shitty DLC policy. That's why.
>Alright, I guess I'll just get the base game.
Then buy another dlc if you feel you want to support them a bit more.

Could have a limit if you have a specific price you think a game should have, and then never pay more than that for eu4 dlcs.
>>
Any tips on interesting CK 2 starts in 769?

Im currently thinking about playing as Byz vassal conquer africa and get independent or start as Ghana and become kang
>>
Do horde kings have a hidden lower life expectancy or something mine never seem to last more than 10-15 years of ruling.
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>>173339469
as genoa you pretty much gonna abuse galleys for that inland sea bonus (where 100% of your naval battles should take place) and you dont need anything else to destroy everyone on water
+25% naval forcelimit is also godlike
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>>173339541
The italian flag is supposed to be the flag of the napoleonic kingdom of italy, it's pretty accurate if you ignore the fact that the eagle looks like a retarded turkey and is supposed to have a bunch of fasces in it's talons
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>>173339640
>Any tips on interesting CK 2 starts in 769?

don't, by the time you get to 900 your world will be retarded
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>>173340268
I think you mean 770
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>>173339882
Their galleys aren't better than british galleys.
Worse actually.

Worse than Kono Galleys.
And worse than Norwegian Galleys.

And that's just talking inland seas.
>literally best ideas in the game for naval combat
in other words, fucking no.
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i didn't even notice that the newfies were in this mod
>>
I miss shadow diplomats so much.
>>
wew, new thread when
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rip dudes
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How the hell does China work in Mandate of Heaven? If I become a tributary can I fight the other tributaries? I'm kind of locked into a position where even once I finish stabilizing Japan I can't really expand anywhere except SE Asia without butting heads with a tributary.
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>>173339978
How about this flag?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=342178549
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>>173341251
You can just become a tributary and eat all of Korea and Manchuria. Then fuck em up.
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>>173341671
???
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>>173341671
btfo
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Why can't I transfer to Ulster? It's their claim
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>>173341251
don't become a tributary if you want to achieve 'unify culture' in the age of reformation, there's a bug
also the ashikaga historically WERE tributaries of the Ming
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>>173342307
I can't unify culture anyway because Ryukyu is a tributary
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>>173342107
TIOCFAIDH AR LA
DOWN WITH ULSTER
>>
>First time playing a gsg and have a less than fair grasp on basics
>Playing newb island Ireland count
>Become duke quickly, take jew money
>Suddenly a crawl and my wife cucked me and I'm a satanist and my daughter is trying to kill me
>Can't get anymore claims but have a huge army compared to neighbors

I'm almost there gsg
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>>173340268
what's wrong with this?
>>
>India and China had over 50% of the world populations and economic output until ~1700-1800
>paradox releases dlc that reflects this
>Europe still poised to dominate late game trade every time with their end nodes and colonization
>/gsg/ still gets butthurt about it
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>>173343594

looks about as retarded as the real middle ages desu
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Got very lucky with a place in the sun cb on spain, grabbed cuba and puerto rico in the same war. Also got equatorial guinea for when I create a greater congo colony by fucking up whatever europussy gets the free state

Hispaniola, cuba, puerto rico, and that mexican state coahuila are all CSA cores. Basically the entire country south or west of ohio is CSA
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>>173343613
well China now develops insanely tall and is ahead in tech, so mission accomplished?
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>>173305016
PAPA BLESS YOU, AGENT OF HEAVEN.
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>>173343735
going for Golden Circle I see
>>
New Thread
>>173343814
>>173343814
>>173343814
>>173343814
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>>173305016
NVM ITS FAKE

I RETRACT WHAT I SAID>>173343860
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>>173336518
Go kill yourself luthercuck
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Proper thread

>>173343927
>>173343927
>>173343927
>>173343927
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>>173341251
Ming owns everything.
>>
How can I expand as Holland in EU3?
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>>173346207
1. chill for a bit
2. trade and make bank/tech out the ass
3. start blobbing like crazy
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>>173320607
It's repairing to 100% or pirates are a thing
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>>173322074
>eu4
>tall
U srs niqqa, the last patch fucked over playing tall, wide is all there is now
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