/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

>download Utopia
>create race of people
>play for 30 minutes
>remember that Stellaris is fucking boring

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HAK HAK HAK

Is there any Milky Way galaxy maps for Stellaris?

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>>173268104
>>173268706
Any way to remove this restriction?

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>download Utopia
>run CODEX installer
>the music accompanying the installer is Smack My Bitch Up - Prodigy
>mfw

>>173268887
resolve your design's errors

>>173268887
Resolve them, faggot.

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Alright hows my empire looking?

>implying I dont have the asian phenotype mod and namelist installed

Can non-spiritualists still research psionic tech?

How long before we get a mod that turns the Neo Chimp portrait into black humanoids?

>>173269613
r/AsianMasculinity/10

>>173269613
>that backstory.

>>173269613
>abimition
>that shitty grammar

>tfw haven't had power tech for at least 10 techs

HOLY SHIT

GIVE ME MORE POWER

>>173270113
I think its pretty good grammar for a bunch of Chinese ghosts, thank you very much

>>173268796
>man, our game has half-baked basic mechanics for every fundamental system. Which one should we focus on? Diplomacy? Trade? War?
>LOL NO, PERK TREES

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>>173269613
>this backstory

>>173269613
are you gonna spend the game pacifying your own planets in an endless civil war?

>>173270231
Its paradox how well their games sell when they are terrible shit.

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>>173270706
>>173270862
Keep talking your shit round eyes, the wall wall will be built soon

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these ever worth doing?

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Rate my hobbit-elves.

>>173271197
If you happen to be stuck next to something you know for a fact is going to invade you, it can be worthwhile

>I'll just invade them back

AI cheeses with a fleet twice your size. Good luck

Can you get achievements if you buy the full game, but pirate dlcs?

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Rate my Imperium Romanum

>>173271696
>minmaxing
>roleplaying

pick one

Fucking xenophobes right next to my spawn keep threatening me.
I was hoping for a nice spiritualist pacifist game, but I feel the urge to deus vult.

>>173271197
its your main way of discovering other civs, in the early game

>>173271405
nice idea, i went for something similar

>>173271696
very flavorful

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Keeping it classical.

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>>173269613
>Wei
>not bringing BENEVOLENT government to all the oppressed peoples of the galaxy

>>173271996
>purge all xeno scum
>not even xenophobe

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>>173272029
I've got your fucking benevolence right here you green fuck

>buy stellaris
>pirate all dlcs
>play ironman game for achievements
>don't get any

????????

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So how are your tall empires going?

>>173272141
>violate the devs' copyrights
>expect them to award you medals

>>173272278
Hi /l/eddit

>>173272180
>tfw no belter qt

>>173271696
I wouldn't say the Romans were that warlike.

>>173272392
Fuck off Havelock

I haven't played Stellaris ever since pre-leviathan, is stacking a ton of tachyon lances on a battleship fleet still the best or are there alternatives?

>>173271696
1. Replace Syncretic Evolution with Cutthroat Politics.
2. Take your Militarism down a notch and add Spiritualist.
3. Get rid of Repugnant and Extremely Adaptive, replace with Adaptive and Natural Engineers.

What does ruler skill actually do

>>173271824
How am I minmaxing? I would have venerable elder and wouldn't be a damn slaver if I was.
>>173272590
Yeah, you are probably right. I was thinking when I made it fanatic militarists should really be for Sparta-tier warrior cultures. I think I will switch it with authoritarian.

Anyone got the update for the LoGH ships mod?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=855097786

This one. One on MEGA is from March, and the one on Steam got updated in April.

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FUCKING DLC WON'T LOAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

so where can i see what ethics a faction uses/belongs to?

I dont want to supress niggers who might be useful down the road like materilaists, but fuck the liberals shits complaining when im fighting so we wont get eaten my purifier cunts

Also for some reason i'm now swiming in influence, waht am i supposed to do with it earlygame?

>>173272880
Good ideas. I think I'll use that.

>>173272880
>Spiritualist romans
Dude if they were spiritualists then all historical civilizations were so, they had a religion but they were very low key about compared to most other historical nations.
Unless you are thinking about late roman empire and the byzantine, then yes they should be spiriualist and have the divne mandate gov as the religious aspect of the Emperors became a lot more important.

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H-Here I go!

>get utopia legitimately
>cant see muh pirated leviathans and planetoid dlc
>install creamapi crack uploaded by that guy in the last thread
>still cant see them
reeeeee WHAT AM I DOING WRONG

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>Half the thread is pirate shitters crying their eyes out

>>173273485
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/ancient-rome/ancient-rome-and-religion/
>The Romans believed that gods controlled their lives and, as a result, spent a great deal of their time worshipping them.
>After the reign of the Emperor Augustus (27 BC to AD 14), the emperor was also considered to be a god and he was worshipped on special occasions.
>Each family home would also have a small altar and shrine. The Romans had personal household gods or spirits called ‘lares’ which were worshipped every day at home.
They may have been slightly more secular than other ancient civilizations, but spirituality was still an extremely important aspect of Roman society even while they still followed Hellenic paganism.

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>>173273587
yeah, I just bought Utopia too

I was away for a long time waiting for DLC... and it's here even on piratebay - fuck yeah time for fun.

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>>173273819
>mfw

>>173273929
>thepiratebay
Kek

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>>173273819
>>173273964
Fuck off, Paracuck shills. Your game and DLC are not worth the price.

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>>173274105
>Haha its such a shitty game haha I'm only pirating it to see how shitty it is haha

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>paradox programmers are posting Pepe

DELETE THIS

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>>173274105

>>173273834
So all nations in history were spiritualists?

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>>173272180
JUST CLONE MY SHIT UP

>>173271172
>>173269613
Canada please go

>>173269613
>chinks
>strong
>resilient

lol, chang gtfo

>>173274092
I will download it from a private tracker but i use tpb to check if stuff is released.

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>>173274308
Proofs?

Also isn't Pepe a hate symbol?

OY VEY

>>173274626
That's a good boy. But unfortunately your IP has already been logged by the FBI.

>>173274387
No, but many ancient civilizations and societies, Rome included, were strongly invested in a mythological pantheon of some sort (except the Persians and Israelites, they had Zoroastrianism and Judaism respectively). By the time of the Middle Ages, this was transposed with Christianity in Europe and Islam in the Middle East. Only in the Renaissance did secularism begin to circulate as a common practice among nations.

Should I invest fully in armor/shields or should I have a little bit of both?

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>>173274354
What if I genuinely hate the developer and don't want to give them money?

Those hypocritical swede fucks don't deserve it.

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>download codex
>missing 3 dlc
>download rezmar's dlc and crack
>put dlc and crack into folder
>rezmar's dlc doesnt show up in game
>delete all codex dlc and move dlc from rezmar's folder
>game now shows no dlc
>uninstall codex
>reinstall codex
>game still shows no dlc despite it being in folder
>take missing dlc and crack from rezmar into folder
>everything suddenly shows up
just need those /gsg/ essentials for maximum galactic lebensraum

>>173273819
What? I pirated it and everything's working fine. Did I miss something?

>>173275034
If you genuinely hate the developer: why are you playing the game?

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lotta horses

Were the muslim medieval nations fanatic spiritualists and militarist or fanatic militarist and spiritualists?

>>173274294
>>173274354
I never said Stellaris was shitty, stop putting words in my mouth. If they lowered the price to something more reasonable and started aiming to fix the true problems (diplomacy, trade, war), I'd be more inclined to actually purchase it. It's called voting with your wallets. Also this >>173275034, and to >>173275196 you can hate a developer and still admit that they made a game that's reasonably entertaining.

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>>173275034
>oh noes they forced the guy who put literal Nazi propaganda in his description to delete the description :((((
>muh genocide simulator is too PC!

All white mod is still in the workshop, you giant baby.

>>173275006
Depends on your power tech, weapon tech, and who you're fighting.

If your enemies have armor-pierce, use shields. If they use shield-pierce, use armor.

Personally I care more about power use. You always want to be as close to 0 power on a given ship as possible, so I give each ship the best systems it can have, the best weapons, and then see what I have left for shielding. I think all ships should have at least a small amount of shields, because shields recharge so it's effectively damage reduction, but if I don't have enough power for shields and a free slot left, I'll put armor on. For bigger ships, I like to keep it at 1:2 shield / hull ratio and fill the rest with armor.

>>173275316
Fanatic spiritualists and militarist

>>173275380

Kind of off topic here, but I wonder why the people who made the all white mod didn't just make a race-based mod in general, so it seemed less 'offesneive'.

Like just a little option or tickbox that makes a human faction 'All white, all black, all middle eastern, all asian, etc.'

That way, everyone is happy.

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>>173271996
>>173272078

>tfw to intelligent too be a xenophobe

>>173274387
Yes most were, you have a problem with this Fedora Lord?

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So how are the ascension paths? Is Psionics as good as expected? Synth as boring and useless as expected?

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>>173275165
I'm having this same fucking problem, what do you mean by crack into folder fucking tell me goddamnit I need help

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>>173275816
Pssh...god doesn't exist...kid

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>REEEEEE
>WHY IS THIS GAME THAT I STOLE NOT WORKING REEEEEEEE

>>173273819
At this point even for shit i actually own, i just pirate it because it works just fine without 3 layers of download managers with ingame reminders to login and shit, and i can actually archive them for the time when a mandatory patch (wich it will want to dowload before doing anything else) fucks everything up 5-10 years from now, or it gets cucked from content like the old GTAs with the music license running out, or saboteur losing its DLCs because the authentication server shut down. And thats not mentioning games with gamespy sickness. On top of that thanks to general DLC and preorder fuckery and releasing GOTY/gold editions and shit its usually the only viable way to get the full experience wihtout shelling out 300 bucks

So yeah, buying a game is a formality nowdays to show support for deserving devs, as the pirated copy is a flat-out superior product most of the time.

>>173275348
>I'd be more inclined to actually purchase it
No you wouldn't. Paradox could make this game a 10/10 and you'd still pirate it. Don't even try to pretend otherwise.

The fact you pirated it in the first place demonstrates the game is good enough for you to spend your time on. Hence, it's good enough to spend your money on, but you're just too entitled to do so, and too delusional or insecure to admit it.

>>173275972
i don't think that's an appropriate image hmmmm

>>173276085
What if I told you that I also currently have no income and I'm trying to be thrifty with my savings

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>>173276137
HMMM ARE YOU SURE?

HMMMM

>>173275912
Get rezmar's stuff
>>173241123
Move the missing dlc into the dlc folder
then copy rezmar's codex crack into the stellaris folder

>>173276058
>The Faggot: The Post

>>173273819
/civ4xg/ is one of the worst fucking genres on /vg/ easily.

At least the other generals just ignore DLC they dont like, here you have people who obviously love Stellaris calling it shit just because its a epic meme to shit on everything Paradox

I dont even know why I keep coming back to this /pol/infested shithole

>>173275972
no but God does,,,,nothin' personel m'kid

>>173276085
>spending money on something you can get for free
>hurr ur entitled
You landlubbers deserve throwing your money out

>>173276209
>i have no little money i cant afford this cheap ass game and instead of getting a job and doing something meaningful with my life im going to waste it playing games i shouldnt be playing
You dont even deserve to play games, go get a fucking job, or a better job if you're that fucking broke

>>173276209
I wouldn't believe you, but if you were telling the truth I'd concede that you have a reasonable excuse and I'd wish you luck with your financial situation in the future.

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>>173276274
>being this much of a newfag
wew lad....
if you wonderd why. its because of the grandfather of /vg/ /gsg/ go check it out some time after that go back

What flag symbol is the best for a megacorporation?

>authoritarian/egalitarian instead of collectivist/individualist

What was wrong with the previous ethics?

>>173276264
Thank you for taking a break form swallowing gallons of cum to type this message, it was truly worth it. But i wont keep you much longer, as i see you already have an another dick down your throat

>>173276551
people were like "collectivism is communsim!!!!!"

I honestly don't know why they changed it

>>173276551
didn't suck leftist dick enough

>>173276336
Good on you
I can respect an honest crook

>>173276274
It turned into a /gsg2.0/ at this point.
>>173276492
No one deserves visiting that shithole, but from your writing style you seem to be a guest from these places.

>>173276403
Or perhaps I'm currently unemployed and job-searching. Stop assuming things about other people.
>cheap ass
Look at you with your silver spoon in your mouth.

>>173276274
hooo boy, take a look at /gw2g/
They have dadicated bots that spam shit like: >>173270974 and they fucking defend it between spamming furry and pedo shit.

>>173276743
it always was /gsg/ and all stratergy games will always be /gsg/ stratergy attracts politics wich attracts /pol/ learn to like it or leave

>>173276551
Mainly because they thought collectivism shouldn't necessarily mean support for slavery

>>173276897
it's a dead game, what else do they have to talk about

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>>173276647
I was one of these people.

>>173276469
Not that anon but that's basically me, living with a relative while trying to find a job and save up for an apartment and shit.

Can't afford to buy vidya but can't resist not playing them.

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>Hereditary Technocracy.

How does that work? Sure, there's the concept of the Emperor Scientist, but...

>>173276551
So you can't play commies or ancaps sanymore?

>>173266574
It was at this moment that I figured I watched too many animes.

>>173276551
Collectivist/Individualist = Too BASED for SJW cucks, approved by Trump and Milo, buy my water filters

Authoritarian/Egalitarian = Numale SJW cuck hipster leftist antifa faggot option, so obviously Paradox (more like Paracuck!) went with those

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>>173276246
fuck you're a hero thanks my man

>>173276912
It definetly seen better days. Shit like this is just happening because of the new DLC.

>>173276647

Because it was a mess of contradictory mechanics an fluff that was limited to: We love slaves vs we hates slaves.

>>173277160
the Guild from last exile, Comstar from battletech, arguably the Navigators from 40k and Dune

>>173277247
I will crosspost it on /r/thedonald, thanks for the karma!

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>>173269613
>Cao Cao

>>173272180
Pretty nice, but also boring.

>>173277247
I'm fine with authoritarian (really is hierarchical). Now I can make a proper space monarchy. Still, I'm annoyed that you cant pick a constitutional monarchy, nor a totalitarian egalitarian.

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>>173277269
Don't forget to delete all non-white "humans" from your gfx folder

>>173269613
I'm sure that having such a screwed grammar is a racist cliche.

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WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?!?!?

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>All the /pol/ in this thread

Is this average for /civ4xg/?

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Time to declare the First Galactic Empire.

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Ok, so is are "Humans" from Earth considered the same species as "Humans" from Earth who settled on a moon in the Deneb star system?

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>>173277779
Of course

>>173277812
Stop baiting, people are enjoying the thread.

>>173277812
Usually we're just satisfied with making edgy human supremacists empires.
Sometimes it goes out of control when someone takes us seriously.

>>173277812
eh, sort of

>>173277921
Pretty sure the game considers them both the same race. Open up the races tab and see.

>>173277921

Yes. Species recognise their own kind. Not originally, though.

>>173277135
Nothing wrong with that anon
Just remember to give back once you're in the money, for the people whose work kept you sane in hard times.

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>>173277812
If you don't like it you can go back to r/the_donald

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>>173277816
>no "Inferior Genes Exclusion Act" edict

>>173277970
aren't the right ones just new-canadians?

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Pacificism is getting boring. Might embrace the military faction soon and conquer the world.

>>173278887
But Anon, you've got like five worlds there. Don't you mean the galaxy?

>>173277970
At this point, what difference does it make?

>>173278997
I'll start with the worlds to the east, since the one to the west is a fallen empire.

>>173272878
> I haven't played Stellaris ever since pre-leviathan
Smart move
> is stacking a ton of tachyon lances on a battleship fleet still the best or are there alternatives?
Nah, they rebalanced all the weaponry. Your best bet now is an all-cruiser fleet running all shields and capacitors with kinetic batteries and plasma.
Tac lances are shit now.

>>173277720
Is the white only mod still compatible?

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So uh. How do I set war demands when they declare war on me?

>>173279396
Normally there'll be a "set war demands" button on your side. You can't for some reason though.

>>173279385
which one

Are the new empire mangement options interesting at all? Specifically, is there any reason to be a fanatic purifier when you can just be a hivemind instead?

>>173279802
Roleplay.

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>>173279802
Did Hivemind on my first run and it was boring as all fuck

>Dont have to give a fuck about happiness
>Don't have to give a fuck about ethics
>Don't have to give a fuck about diplomacy
>Don't have to give a fuck about ascension (You have only one choice)
>Dont have to give a fuck about food

I effectly played 20 bucks to lose half of the mechanics in the game.

>>173277779
You haven't played any Chinese games have you?

>>173277160
I imagined it as government by 18th century gentlemen-scientists.
Tinkering away in their home laboratories with their son fetching them scalpels and plasma torches, before strolling off to the Senate to declaim how their benchtop analysis of the K'zzint Empire's warp fields PROVES that war should be declared against them immediatly.

>>173277160
Eugenics

That soundtrack upgrade though.

Neat

>>173280140
Hiveminds are neither the only thing nor the main thing in the DLC.

I own stellaris, i downloaded and copied the dlc to steamapps/common but I still cant play with the DLC, it doent show up.

>>173271405

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Just saw Stellaris was on sale. I'm a fan of games like Total War and Civilization, tried some of the grand strategy games and didn't like them a whole lot, but I remember Stellaris looking pretty interesting when it first came out, thought I might give it a try.

Is it worth playing without the $50 worth of DLC or whatever? What would you guys say are the good/bad points about the game?

>>173281358
>Is it worth playing without the $50 worth of DLC
No

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The new factions system is easily my favorite thing about this expansion. The old system was just outright bad game design and existed as nothing more than a place to dump your influence.

>>173281358
>Is it worth playing without the $50 worth of DLC
Nope. Welcome to modern games - they gut half the content and then make you pay full price to get it all back.

>new empire
>fanatic xenophile, egalitarian (for utopian conditions)
>get into a migration treaty with everyone i meet
>put own species at lowest level of living standard, not allowed to spawn new pops
>put all other species at utopian living conditions

I love playing space-Sweden

>suppress annoying xenophile faction
>they eventually disappear
>permanent -1 influence cost for suppressing them
?????

>>173280140
I could tell hiveminds were going to be boring from the outset, I'm having a lot more fun playing a technocratic cyborg empire.

>>173275859
Has no one blown through to lategame yet? I figured someone here would.

Can you not select an alternate portrait for your ascended synthetic guys? I could have sworn I saw different styles of robot type creature in preview screenshots somewhere...

>59 posters
10/10 patch, 4X has been saved for future generations

Was reddit right?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/62iauk/will_utopia_ruin_purging/

>>173281974
>put own species at lowest level of living standard, not allowed to spawn new pops

you probably shouldn't be able to do that as a non-authoritarian

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>>173268695
What am I in for?

>>173282336
Everybody's busy playing the game. I just got done with a 5 and a half hour session.

>>173282483
A game that had potential. It can be fun at times, just be prepared to think "Wow if they did that that'd be amazing"

>Added the ability to set Species Rights for individual species. Slavery and Purging is handled through this interface INSTEAD OF on an individual Pop basis
WTF I HATE UTOPIA NOW

I loved playing a collectivist empire, purging all those nonloyal while letting the loyalists of all species live.

>>173281358
>Is it worth playing without the $50 worth of DLC or whatever?
Arguably not. Fortunately Paradox DLC is piss easy to obtain and install by other means.

>What would you guys say are the good/bad points about the game?

+ It has many role-playing and gameplay features.
+ Mods
+It's more fun than most 4x space mods.

-All of it's role-playing and gameplay features are bland as fuck and paper-thin complex.
-Mods do not really redeem the job of the developers.
-Being more fun than most space 4x is not really a very high milestone.

>run my usual fanatic materialist/authoritarian setup
>for some reason I can't purge or enslave individual pops anymore
>can only do it on a species basis
>despite being authoritarian I'm unable to do anything about militant pops belonging to unwanted factions
>the "suppress faction" option doesn't even give you any kind of indicator of what it's actually doing
>it's also bugged so that if you leave it on and the faction you're suppressing disappears it still drains your influence but now you won't be able to turn it off because the faction is gone so you can't manage it

>>173282715
He is asking about Beyond Earth not about Stella-Oh.

>>173282721
>>173282771
What the fuck were they thinking when they did this?

>>173282721
>Slavery and Purging is handled through this interface INSTEAD OF on an individual Pop basis
This is just fucking stupid and I have no idea why they did this. Slavery and purging were how collectivist factions dealt with undesirables and now they can't even do that anymore. They're worthless as ethics.

Is there a jewish portrait with humans as the syncretic species?

>>173276763
$20 is considered having a silver spoon. Damn, I must be fucking rich then.

>>173282323
No.
You did see screenshots but it's a really well-made mod, not official art.

>>173282915
>What the fuck were they thinking when they did this?
They made an Authoritarian vs Equalitarian axis despiste they are not opposites. So i assume they weren't thinking at all.

>>173283012
Molluscoid Normal #8

>>173283012
Of course not, that would be offensive to our (((greatest ally)))! Oy vey, it's like annudah shoah just thinking about it!

Why aren't you playing Distant Worlds, a far better space 4x?

>>173283109
>ignoring the DLC
Oh no you don't, Paracuck.

>>173281405
>>173281836
>>173282732
What would you guys suggest as a good alternative?

Is there something akin to a "Total War in space" kind of game that has all the battles and things but also has the diplomacy, empire building, legacy type stuff?

>>173283157
That's kinda lame, the skin isn't even any different from regular synths.

>>173282940
It makes me really mad. I was having so much fun as a collectivist and now I can't purge dissidents.

They should have had it as "purge/slavery type per species", and then individual pop purging/enslaving carry it out. Maybe include a "Purge/Enslave All" button.

OFFICIAL UTOPIA/1.5 ETHICS TIER LIST

>God Tier
Spiritualist

>High Tier
Pacifist
Xenophile

>Okay Tier
Xenophobe
Materialist
Egalitarian

>Dogshit Tier
Authoritarian

>>173283460
you forgot militarist you shitter

>>173283558
They are okay tier too.

>>173283460
Post pre-Utopia list

>>173283460
>Spiritualist is still OP

>>173283460
>Spiritualist
ALLAHU ACKBAR

>>173283279
Because it's expensive and not super pretty
I know I should just pirate it and see if I like it

why does spiritualist even reduce ethics divergence

>>173272123

Wait, wait there!

>Every pop is loyalist at the beginning of the game
>I am the emperor
>Yet I make my own faction

Wut?

>>173283712
Look at medieval arabia. The mudslimes enforced their ideology very well.

>>173282483
In vanilla Beyond Earth you are always fucking poor because they didn't properly.balance health.
In Rising Tide you are always fucking rich because they also didn't balance health, but in the opposite direction.

"Unbalanced" is the theme. Trade agreements range from "Literally Nothing" (party politics) to "Completly gamebreaking" (estate tax) and the AI can't tell the difference. Hybrid ethics give you endgame units in the early midgame. Several units you will never, ever see built as they are both in obscure pointless branches of the tech tree, and shit (Aegis, Roktopus). They didn't rescale the map sizes to account for the viability of water cities so there is never any "fight for territory" and you can easily go an entire game with your borders never touching somebody elses'.

All in all, it's a bunch of theoretically OK ideas, but the devs just picked them up by hand, threw them at the canvas, and said "Good enough".

Best thing about the game is artefact combination. Think Civ V archaeologists, but instead of putting the things they dig up into a museum for Suitcase Mana, you fuse three of them together to give you access to otherwise unobtainable buildings and wonders, some of which are insanely overpowered. And there's dozens of them. I've still not even seen them all. The excitement of seeing what crazy shit you'll get when you combine them is what keeps me coming back to the game despite its many terrible flaws in every other aspect.

>>173282721
It's basically a lazy way to prop up rebellions and factions.

>>173283963
fuck man, just reading this makes me wish it was a good game so much

>>173283398
Wiz says he MIGHT release something like that as paid DLC in the future.

>>173284009
Fuck, that makes too much sense. Of course Paracuck would do it that way.

>>173284119
>paid DLC
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>173283606
They knew what they were doing by giving them a special ascension that boosts them even better, while giving materialist a shitty one that anyone can copy by building synths.

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>Start up Utopia
>First race I meet has the same ethos as me
>And they the rad turtle guys
>Think they will make a good war ally
>But they have the same color territory as me

I'm sorry turtle bros, but you're going to have to die now

>>173282940
It IS stupid, and you get the impression that part of the reason they did it is because Swedes don't understand any playstiles other than "The Federation" and "Literally Hitler".
However, it at least has the (minor) advantage that you can now purge sectors without spending X*25 influence, where X is a large number.
But I agree that it is massively a change for the worse.

>>173284215
Why does Paracuck have such a love for spiritualist?

>>173283349
Sword of the Stars

Enjoy the second game

>>173284353
You'd think they hate it considering how secular Sweden is.

>>173283606
Their ethics attraction bonus is so much better than anything else that even if they didn't have the -10 unrest modifier they'd still be high tier. But the fact that they do have the -10 unrest, which is a straight up upgrade over Authoritarian's -10 slave unrest, it puts them on a whole other level.

Authoritarianism is a joke now though, which is a shame.

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>>173284386
>Sword of the Stars

>collectivist/authoritarian is now literally unplayable
JUST

>>173284509
Yep. At least we know what's going to be fixed in the first patch to 1.5. That shit is unacceptable. You literally cannot play Authoritarian governments because those bonuses are just so shitty, especially with how slavery mechanics are now.

>try playing as hivemind cockroaches
>all the big guys hate me
>fight several decade long wars that i win by rushing the enemy planets as the ai keeps bombarding one planet ad infinitum due to massive defence armies
>finally get a decent fleet and many new planets
>unbidden arrive
>maybe they'll eat the big guys and give me a chance
>nope, right next to me and eat me
>gg

What's the point with these endgame threats that you can't beat? I have a 20k fleet while the strongest power has 50k. The endgame threats always outnumber your fleetpower ten times.

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>>173284585
>At least we know what's going to be fixed in the first patch to 1.5.
Optimistic, aren't you?

>>173284704
Paradox has to realize they've rendered an entire ethos unplayable with this. You literally cannot enslave people anymore.

>>173284585
I just want the ability to enslave/purge individual pops. Is that so much to ask for?

>>173284771
I can't even figure out how they thought this was going to work. You can't even have slaves now because if you allow slavery then your entire species is enslaved. It makes no fucking sense.

Parafux really need to make it easier to distinguish which diplomatic message things are for you and which are things that are happening elsewhere in the galaxy.
I fucking hate getting a barrage of messages about various diplomacy happenings, discarding them all and then hearing the narrator dude say incoming transition after I closed them all.

>>173284762
They hate authoritarian, they honestly consider this a plus.

>>173284663
You should have been using nothing but kinetic batteries and giga cannons on battleships, with only shields and the crystal plating. Engage at maximum range.
>>173284862
Why?

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>>173284103
Imagine if a professional like Ed Beach or Jake Solomon had been helming it, or some sci-fi enthusiast with actual experience with game developing.

>>173284951
I just got the second tier of kinetic batteries and yet to research chrystal plating. I feel that these late game threats are pure bullshit on the smaller maps. I'm going back to playing on the gigantic modded galaxies.

>>173284951
>Why?
Paradox is like anti-/pol/.
They just can't stop forcing their normie liberal politics into everything they say and do even when its wildly genre inappropriate
> "Women in history" free update :^)

What's wrong with authoritarian/slavery right now?

>>173285118
>refugees welcome policy

They sure are true swedes.

>>173284951
Because it's Sweden, they can't tolerate the idea of even playing pretend at being a slave empire, so they didn't bother testing it at all and don't want anyone to really play it.

>>173285091
>I feel that these late game threats are pure bullshit on the smaller maps.

You're not wrong.

They literally don't rebalance crisis strength in any way for map size, so you'll be facing the same strength Unbidden fleets on 200 stars as you will when ypu have 5 times the resources on 1000 stars.

I mean, I kinda like it because *I* know that 1000 stars = easy mode and 200 stars = death wish mode and I know what I'm getting myself into and can choose according to taste, but if you're a n00b who doesn't know that, I imagine it is quite frustrating

>>173285123
Slavery only works on a per-species basis now, you can't enslave individual pops. You change a setting in your species management window and it either allows the species to be enslaved or doesn't, and if it's allowed it automatically enslaves all pops of that species. So if you have slavery allowed from the start, literally your whole race will be enslaved. The same is true for purging.

Authoritarian is garbage right now because their bonuses are 25% reduced cost on resettlement (who even cares about that?) and -10% slave unrest, which is literally a shittier version of the Spiritualist bonus of just -10 unrest. So basically they gave Authoritarians one bonus nobody cares about and another that's a worse version of another ethos's bonus.

Combine the shitty new bonuses and how fucked slavery/purging is, and there's no reason to play authoritarian at all. You can't enslave and purge pops anymore, it's just done automatically on a per-species basis.

Hows the late game lag? Last I played med galaxies became slow af in late game and large ones were comic tier speed with almost no movement.

Any tips?

>>173283963
Satellites have never been balanced. Some of them are expressly designed to take cities, but they never fucking work.
You can't overlap any satellite aoe, so you can only have one satellite in range to attack a city, and cities themselves have massive fucking anti satellite missile range, satellites also all die in one shot.
So you spend 10 turns building a giga orbital ion death cannon, launch it, shoot once and do 40% of a cities health, then in the transition the city shoots down the satellite and that's the end of it.

Also if you ally every AI in the game and one of them declares war on another everyone in the game will end up at war with each other.

>>173285118
>>173285198
Please explain to me why they would even let you enslave other races in the first place if they really are as "roleplay my way or not at all" as you propose.

Can someone make a quick tier for civics to pick alongside purifier?

And as for species traits what about
conformists, thrifty and negatives: decadent, repugnant or maybe replace decadent with sedentary I think the purity civic auto purges aliens right?

>>173285523
The illusion of choice so they can dismiss criticism and insult you for caring about numbers over RP when you complain about your ethic being shit.

>>173285551
All the SWEDEN YES! policies are top tier.
All the evil Russia policies are garbage tier.

>>173285691
What?

>>173285123
Shitty bonuses and mechanics.

>>173285659
respectfully disagree x1

>>173285523
>Please explain to me why they would even let you enslave other races in the first place

Well, as >>173285446 explains, in any practical sense they *don't* allow you to enslave other races in the first place.

I mean, OK, they didn't *literally disable* it, but the chronic lack of care and attention given to that ethos compared to other ethoses looks suspiciously like contemptuous neglect, especially when you know Paradox's unashamed political shilling for progressivism in their other games.

Who /aspec/ here?

Hive minds are shit since you automatically eat other species which causes genocide, good luck getting allies with huge opinion penalties...

>>173285731
Let me translate what he said for you

>REEEEEEEE IM TRIGGERED MY IMAGINARY BOOGEYMAN IS TRYING TO FORCE HIS POLITICAL VIEWS

>>173285731
Anything that is about 'peace' and 'love' and 'everyone is welcome' is good, anything that is not is mechanically terrible.

>>173285959
You say it's imaginary when we know for a fact that all the 'negative' civis are mechanically awful.

>>173285819
Same applies to materialist, though obviously nothing got shafted as hard as authoritarian.

>>173285446
>You can't enslave and purge pops anymore, it's just done automatically on a per-species basis.
Fucking why? It worked perfectly in older versions if you just wanted to enslave or purge cunts off of one planet. This would also open up the opportunity for other planets that hold the species to revolt, making revolt mechanics actually interesting and a result of your actions.

>>173285456
I really don't know why they made satellites immobile. It would solve most of these problems.
They're the unit that MOST deserves a large number of movement points.
You want balance, just keep the fuel gague as -1 per turn and ALSO as -1 per hex moved. Can't move out of orbital coverage, requires launch complex to deploy. Can move into others' orbital coverage but that requires 2 fuel per hex not 1.
There, satellites become good enough to use, but not ridiculous.

>>173286131
What's wrong with memeterialist? It's always been alright. In the very first version it was never a choice because spiritualist just gave you like 10% happiness which was straight better. As it is now the revolt chance instead is good enough.

>>173286138
>Fucking why?
The same reason they called it "Refuges Welcome" instead of the neutral "Open Borders"

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Question about warmonger penalties.
So by fighting a protectorate war against a nation that's attacking a city state that's a vassal of mine, there's no warmonger penalty for either capturing or razing their cities? Or is the pic related popup just misleading?

>>173286353
Bonuses are underwhelming next to spiritualist, and its ascension path is utterly worthless while spiritualist's is overpowered. You really never want it over the alternative.

>>173286353
They're okay, but their bonuses are very niche compared to spiritualist which are just fucking amazing regardless of what kind of government or ascension path you want to take. Materialist sort of pigeonholes you into one route.

>>173286724
>its ascension path is utterly worthless while spiritualist's is overpowered

And yet you just know the Paradrones are going to deny that it matters.
I can fucking write the apologias now:

>"It doesn't matter if it's not balanced, it's for *roleplay* purposes"
>"Yay now I can be a genderless robot rather than an unenlightened biological, it's everything I ever wanted"
>"01_EMBASSY_PROPOSE XD"
>"Thankyou Paradox devs for such a great game!"
>"Respectfully agree, beep boop ;)"

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Okay how do I kill these fuckers?

>>173287320
Food.

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r8 muh treehuggers

>>173287148
respectfully disagree x1

>>173287320
There should be a setting in your policies about how to deal with pre-sentient species. If you have it set to "exterminate" they will be automatically killed off. Otherwise they're just sort of there, doing nothing, until you decide to uplift them. Yeah. Not really a great design by Paradox. Not even authoritarian empires can displace them.

>>173287403
Overpowered ethics, but meh civics.

>>173287320
That looks like Australia. Have fun.

>>173287320
> killing presentients
Nigga if you uplift them you get a race with permanent +20 happiness.
Presentients are literally the most OP thing in the game, you should be genociding all OTHER species to replace with them, not genociding THEM.

>>173283349
Genuinely nothing comes to mind.

>>173287320
>>173287456
I thought you could herd them into reserves like the US did to the Indians and they wouldn't bother you but would create permanent tile blockers you couldn't get rid of until you decided to do stuff to the people.

>>173287614
How exactly do you uplift them?

>>173287708
That was the old mechanic. New mechanic has it that they have actual pops that can be exterminated if you have the right policies. You can always uplift them if you keep them around though.

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>TILE BLOCKER CLEARED
>TILE BLOCKER CLEARED
>TILE BLOCKER CLEARED

>>173287745
... by researching Uplift Species? The same way as before?

>>173287846
>Retard and Autist have entered into a defensive pack

GO. AWAY.

>>173276551
Collectivist/Individualist made sense in that they contradict each other, but the bonuses assigned to them in game didn't make sense. Collectivism doesn't necessarily imply slavery and individualist societies aren't necessarily free of it.

Authoritarianism/Egalitarianism has the opposite problem. Slavery being associated with authoritarianism and not egalitarianism makes sense, but egalitarianism and authoritarianism aren't necessarily opposites. You can have a society that enforces egalitarianism through authoritarian means.

The other problem is that neither of them really make sense as a democracy vs autocracy slider. You can have individualist, egalitarian monarchies (Netherlands) and collectivist, authoritarian democracies (Singapore).

Personally, I'd say Paradox should bring back Collectivism and Individualism, but make the slavery mechanic independent of ethics and remove their influence on democracy vs autocracy. Instead, give collectivism bonuses to unity and influence, and individualism bonuses to energy and happiness or something.

>Utopia is released
>WW3 starts the same day

the memes write them self

>>173287858
I never did it before.

>>173282483
I bought BE but never bothered with BERT. It just didn't seem worth it. The best soundtrack of the entire franchise though. It's a good game for those first 5 playthroughs. Then it gets old. All of the leader bonuses are just bland percent modifiers or some such. None of them feel that distinct.

Best trade route system of the franchise IMHO.

>frontier clinics no longer increase habitability
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>173288332
What DO they do?

>>173288332
what do they even do

Do you think an Hivemind FE would work?

How the fuck do I get Mega-Engineering?

>>173288421
>>173288427
Happiness.

How would you guys go about building a ruthless corporation out to exploit the resources (and species) of the galaxy?

I'm thinking Authoritarian/Fanatic Materialist, but I don't care about robots (I want slaves).

Would Authoritarian/Fanatic Militarist be better? Or should I go with Fanatic Authoritarian?

What traits and government and stuff would be good for a super ancap libertarian extreme paradise?
Naturally you can't use hyperlanes.

>>173288421
>>173288427
frontier clinics are now just reduced growth time
you still build one of them on a food tile, but they are significantly worse than the +10 habitiabability they gave before

>>173288067
>Slavery being associated with authoritarianism and not egalitarianism makes sense
>You can have a society that enforces egalitarianism through authoritarian means.
Anon...

>Full and Armageddon have the same pop kill chance but .1 more plent damage for Armageddon
Utopia is like an unending stream of disappointment.

>terraforming seven worlds at once
>still haven't gotten close to unlocking dyson spheres
So what's the fucking point?

>>173288503
From a pure gameplay perspective? Yeah.
From a "roleplaying/lore" perspective? I have no idea how that will work though.

>play spiritualist
>build temples and ICS
>civic that gives +1 unity for farms
>perk trees everywhere
>frontier outposts cost nothing
>get bored midgame because i own the map

IT'S LIKE I'M REALLY PLAYING CIV5

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>>173288083
>WW3 starts the same day
Wut?

>>173288503
Yes. I want to see it happen.

>>173288332
>>173288513
It makes sense though that it would increase Happiness and not Habitability, though. A single hospital wouldn't make Mars alot more habitable.

>>173288503
>Hive fallen empire
>It considers all races beneath its attention
>Once you start gene modding they want to genocide you ala the AI sentience empires

>>173289023
Bragging rights. It's all about what empire has the biggest "FUCK YOU" sign nowadays.

>>173289265
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39523654

>>173289440
>biggest fuck you
>not building a row of sensor arrays

>>173289489
Not gonna lie

>>173289309
they don't give happiness, they just reduce the growth time

>>173289489
>President Donald Trump said he ordered the strike against the base from where Tuesday's attack was launched.
>President Donald Trump
That series of words still makes me smile.

>>173289419
Hive minds can't be Fallen? they have only one ethic.

>>173289419
>once it awakens it tries to convert other empire into vassals that eventually become hiveminds as well
>can become guardian if crisis occurs

>>173289489
>Implying it won't just be another proxy war
We survived the Cuban Missile Crisis, we can survive this.

Is there any reason to not have a doomstack fleet?

>>173289969
Yes.

>Be war monger race
>Decide to chill out for a few decades so the threat debuff can go down
>Suddenly my people are becoming pacifists

Man Utopia is some hot garbage.

>>173289969
There's a very specific tactic of beating a stronger AI by cheesing its targeting priority with a cat-and-mouse fleet while a bunch of your other small fleets hit and run its worlds as fast as possible.

So I've restarted the game twice now. I can play about 2 hours before the save file crashes just after unpausing. I assume it will be fixed, but anyone else having this problem?

>>173290193
> pops actually respond to the political situation
> "Victory has defeated you"

Sounds great desu senpai

>>173289946
Worst part is that it's going to flood Europe with millions more Muslims to replace the natives and their culture, and Trump has shot himself in the foot politically, meaning whatever Democrat gets in next election will open the floodgates to Mexico and flip this country around into a latin american dictatorship.

So yes, few in the west will die in the immediate term, but the west itself will be set to die.

>>173290862
>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39523654

I thought the intent was to stop sticking our noses into other nations' business?

>>173291261
Not anymore, apparently.

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>last thing to complete quest is in a fallen empire's border
REEEE

>>173291261
Trump found out being President means one of two things: You're a shill for the MIC or you're target practice

Any stellaris mod that lets two players start in the same system?

>Play charismatic xenophile fungus people
>Take the Defender of the galaxy perk
>Unbidden show up
>Suddenly everyone has a positive opinion of me
>Even fallen empires want to join my federation

Not sure if OP or just thematic.

>Usually enslave the first race I see and then am up to my eyeballs in minerals.
>Have started three games now where I've been BTFO by the AI because I don't grow as fast as them

I don't know what I'm doing wrong here but I'm always starved for minerals in Utopia

>>173291453
>Accidentally avoided contact with a Fallen Empire until you've colonized a big chunk of their border worlds, so they're immediately on the edge of war with you.

>>173291453
What kind of Fallen Empire? If it's not a Militant Isolationist you can probably nudge the border a bit by putting an outpost right next to the quest marker.

>>173291770
For some reason in this play through I managed to get battleships before I got geothermal fracking. I'm surprised I did as well as I did with such a mineral disadvantage.

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>>173291810
haha
they declared war on someone in my defence back hugbox too

>>173291903
>MIlitant Isolationist
Yeah you're screwed for that quest.

>>173291903
>back
pact

>>173290193
>somehow I'M the bad guy!

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>>173291453
>>173291795
>>173291810
Fallen Empires no longer have their opinions affected by border friction, even Fanatic Xenophobe ones. It's in the patch notes somewhere. So just plop an outpost down, get the quest, then dismantle it.

Help, I can't seem to find Native Interference in Utopia update. Did they move it some where?

>as egalitarian you cant stop shitskins form migrating from their containment planets

Why? Now i HAVE to purge them

>>173291903
> a naieve, hot, young race that still has their rape virginity will never awaken your overwhelming mushroom

So now that I'm in a federation with a fallen empire, I can use their tech to build federated ships.

What's the best weapons to use against the unbidden? Disruptors? I know medium plasma is the new meta, but I understand the Unbidden are shield heavy.

>>173293380
Arc emitters cut through unbidden like butter
in 1.4 at least, but I don't think they changed any loadout stats yesterday apart from that tokenistic-but-totally-inadequate change to missiles

>>173288554
Bump this.

I want to build and play as Weyland-Yutani, basically.

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So how in the fuck do I get mega engineering?

Has anyone actually done this yet?

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Ok. Making Egalitarian Xenophobes was a mistake.

Can't make xenos full citizens because of xenophobia, which is really pissing off the egalitarian faction. Putting citizens on Social Welfare for the happiness boost actually made things worse because now they're all piling into the egalitarian faction.

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>>173293572

>>173293528
Okay so arc emitters and torpedoes, what should I put in everything else though? I still need to fill small medium and large slots. Is it worth it to bring fighters or point defense?

>>173288554
>>173293572
Authoritarian / Fanatic Materialist, slaver guilds, mining guilds

That Corporate Dominion and slavery are mutually exclusive is tremendously stupid given that some of the most successful corporations of all time have been slave traders, but that's Paradox for you.

how are hive minds to play?
what mechanics do they have?

>>173294025

It's mostly what mechanics they don't have.

>>173294025
>how are hive minds to play?
Boring
>what mechanics do they have?
None. It's literally just normal play with half the mechanics removed and nothing to replace them.

Are there any rogue thoughts that show up in the hive mind that can challenge you for control of the hive?

>>173294246
No.