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/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

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New 3DS game is called "Deep Strange Journey" further info and the teaser:
http://shin-megamitensei.jp/dsj/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kXOfSFb2EU

SMT HD Project teased at Nintendo Switch Presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALfkAh4iZ6o

>Starter guide
http://i.imgur.com/zJcYpuE.png

>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/kHK2a6dR

>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/NqLRYf5n

>OST links
http://pastebin.com/kLbYxjFU

>Misc. translations
http://pastebin.com/pgEWmYfH

>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/

>Recommended reading
http://pastebin.com/ByiXrDGX

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>>172296836
Posting best boy.
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>worst SMT getting a remake
>not giving I & II their much needed love

For what reason?
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>>172297174
more of a port it seems
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>>172297174
>worst SMT
Kusolord.
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>>172297174
SMT 1 + 2 need new games made from scratch and its a ton of effort, DEEP is just an enhanced port.
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really not a fan of sRPGs, is it worth to play Devil Survivor Overclocked on easy for the plot or is the gameplay a more contributing factor to the games quality?
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>>172297174
>SJ
>worst
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Vote for best mainline game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/11542461
Vote for best spinoff game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/12100304
RIP SMT
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Strange Journey is pretty much SMT 3.5 rught?
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Never played the smt before. I have a few questions for you guys to sell the game to me.
Are there social links/a friendship aspect to the story at all?
Is it really as hard as dark souls like I've heard, and how similar are the two games?
Also, I've been looking into Shin Megami Tensei IV, and the cover has an angel and a devil.
Should I play good or evil? Which one is stronger?

I heard that you can't even see your personas in battle, so that's a huge letdown.
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>>172298342
Here (You) go.
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>>172298342
no, no, either
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>>172298342
No.
The game's initially pretty rough, but clears up at around the 1/5 mark. It's a traditional turn based RPG, not an action one like Dark Souls.
Good is stronger, but only if you enter in the cheat codes that allow you to resurrect Aeris.

You do see your personas, but only still images on the bottom screen.
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>>172298025
basically
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>>172298025
Yep.
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>>172297754
no mt2 no vote
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>>172299643
Poor Hitomi.
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>tfw never got macca beamed in NG+
No wonder people need free saving.
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>>172299643
tae is literally me
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>>172300008
It's not that big of an issue really

it only happens once, and then you reset and you exterminate pretas and dormarths with extreme prejudice
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Is there a text dump of strange journey anywhere? I remember a demon telling the protagonist to keep reaching out to the truth at one point, and I'm not sure if I've imagined it.
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>>172297728
I wouldn't recommend any SRPG if you just don't like the gameplay. I mean, they're usually very time consuming and if you don't like it...
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>>172301282
How are they any more time consuming than a non-strategy RPG?
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>>172297728
If you don't like SRPGs, it's better if you don't play it, and if you want to just play a good story there are tons of games with better stories. Wasn't there an animation of it, anyway?
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>>172300574
>and I'm not sure if I've imagined it.

All SMT games are figments of our imagination.
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>>172304093
Demons are born from our mind.
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>>172304093
So if I think hard enough then Moh Shuvuu can be real?
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>>172300574
Yu Narukami was the real villain all along.
He wants you depend on friendship and he's succeeding in making the games easier.
YHVH got nothing on him.
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there is no salvation for you
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>>172306325
COMPLETE
GLOBAL
SALVATION
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>>172307006
no salvation
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>>172307141
Is it true that Odin used to steal dead mens semen?
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>>172307301
absolutely not don't believe Loki's lies
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sullies the world
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SMTIF/Devil Summoner 1 translation patch, when?
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>>172307519
you could spend 2-3 years learning japanese and play through both of them and even then it still wouldnt be finished
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Is it okay to skip SMT IV and go straight to apocalypse?Is it a direct or loose sequel?I lost my ~20h save and kinda don't want to redoo all that shit
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>>172308252
story branches off shortly after the neutral alignment lock

just read out the general plot of IV and you'll be good
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>>172308252
If you don't give a fuck about the story, then it's OK to skip it. But Apocalypse is a "what if" situation that takes place right before the Neutral ending of the game. It will spoil everything about SMTIV and it will expect you to know almost everything about SMTIV's story. However, if you don't want to go through SMTIV again and if you only care about gameplay, then I would go for it.
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>>172307301
That's a meme article some retards like to pass around. It's absolute bullshit. Besides, it was about Loki
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>>172299503
GIVE THIS FUCKING MAN HIS MT2 GODDAMN
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>>172310214
MegaTen 2 is not that good anon. Aside from the godly MC design, the game just comes across as a shittier and more barebones version of SMT1.
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>>172310414
I thought MT2 had more in common with SMT2, but ok
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>>172310527
Nah, outside of the fact that you take out YHVH, most of the game is similar to SMT1.
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>>172297754
This would be a lot better if you could vote for more than one.
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>>172297754
>SMT I that low
>SMT IV not in last place
What the fuck /smtg/ is dead just like the series.
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>>172297174
I don't understand your logic, anon. If you think SJ is the worst SMT then surely it is the most prime candidate to be remade and hence improved upon?
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>>172297754
SMT3>SJ>The Rest

P3,P4,P5>Digital Devil Saga 1&2>Tokyo Mirage Sessions>The Rest
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So why is Amon from If... suddenly part of Strange Journey now?

>>172300193

>Eliminating prime demon-fu

No.
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WE'LL SACRIFICE THE SON OF HEAVEN
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hello it's me
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>>172311538

IV was fine and pretty damn fun, anon.

It's Final/Apocalypse that's the dumpster fire but only from a plot perspective.
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>>172298342
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>>172310414
Music is better, Famicom A E S T H E T I C is incredible tho
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I can't beleive this got finished
https://youtu.be/8eYf3OHqq9s
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Yoh
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Mhm hm
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Macca Beam
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One born of human flesh…
Man is now a race of some power.
You, son of man, must face the power you hold.
And you must face your destiny as well.

Though your days be peaceful, the fated time draws near.
I am your judgement.
I sundered the tongue of your fathers and shattered their arrogant power.

So long as the Lord does not live in you, all living beings hold darkness in their hearts.

If you truly wish to be yourself, then rise and fight the darkness within…the demon inside. If you have the will to challenge your destiny of battle, son of man, state your name…
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>>172318903
YAAA MOOOOO
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http://www.siliconera.com/2017/03/28/persona-4-dancing-night-photo-kano-developer-dingo-appears-closed-doors/

>Digital Devil Dancing will never be a thing
How the fuck did get 2.7mil in debt? Didn't the Hatsune Miku games sell well?
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>>172311538
That poll was first posted a bit after 4 came out.
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>>172324435
>Didn't the Hatsune Miku games sell well?

You can't expect to stay in business selling the same game over and over
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Muhreen.
I...
I come from the future.
The future you've won for humanity. You came back a hero, despite so many of your comrades dying, on derelict barely holding ship. But victorious and with ground-breaking technology. Too ground-breaking.
Shortly after, demon summoning program became widespread and with it, demons. Humans, never sated yearned for power and traded their humanity, twisting flesh and souls into horrific abominations. This truly became the age of waifu - horrific misshapen limbs, eyes that barely fit in skull, and soulless look in eyes...
I don't want to be like this.
And so I came back.
Back to the past.
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Reminder Space Marine has PTSD.
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>>172311538
IV is a much better game than I
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>>172327753
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>>172327753
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>>172327753
/ agree IV is a much better than you.
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>>172327753
This is true.
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>>172327753
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>>172327753
It definitely is. People just like to shit all over the new games for no real reason.
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So question for you guys here. Since DSJ is obviously going to have fully voiced characters, who do you guys think would be a good fit for the main cast?
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>>172329582
Maaya Sakamoto as Zelenina
Kamina Hoi as Jimenez
DMX as Goro
Yuri Lowenthal as Bugaboo
Tay as Arthur
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>>172330482
>Tay as Arthur
Anon. . .
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>>172317451
What the fuck.
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>played IVA right after replaying IV
>Katsuyuki Konishi sounds just as cheerful as Walter in original, he's alright
>Sawashiro sounds like she's trying too hard to remember what her character was all about
>Hiroshi Kamiya suddenly sounds so dead and uninterested in his lines, he doesn't sound like Jonathan even after his resurrection

Production value of this game was so shit, goddamit. I can't believe anybody can be interested in DEEP after that one trainwreck. You might as well just play EO if you love gameplay before atmosphere and plot, its much better and much more challenging than literally any SMT.
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>>172325212
>Ultra Street Fighter II was announced for Switch
God damn it.
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>>172329582
Terry Crews as Gore. That's all I want.
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>>172332039
40 fucking dollars too
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>>172332205
Holy fuck. How? Why? At most it should be $9.99
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>>172332396
Capcom, that's why
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Does anyone here have the cap of when every thread had YHVH's face on /vg/? Was the golden age for sure.
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SMT x Capcom when?

Hell they can just do constant crossovers between mainline and Onimusha.
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>>172332960
Now it'll be Alex ass, even better.
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Didn't take long to die.
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What's your MegaTen collection look like, /smtg/?

I couldn't fit everything in, missing the books/manga.
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The new route in DEEP is gonna lead into ZTD.
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>>172333240
I've owned the remakes of both Persona 1 Revelations, Persona 2: Innocent Sin, Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, Persona 3 Portable, SMT III/Nocturne, SMT Strange Journey, and Devil Survivor: Overclocked.

>Persona 4: Dance All Night

Lel.
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>>172333240
I pirated everything because fuck Atlus USA and their garbage policy on dual audio.
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>>172333463
>Tadano
>blonde
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>>172333813
Japanese people really like to dye their hair, you know.
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>>172327753
I'd say they are both pretty equal, both have glaring flaws but are still enjoyable.
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>>172331674
>Sawashiro is a terrible Seiyu
Water is wet
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>>172333883
Grown men don't since dying one's hair, especially to the color of blonde, is an indication of being a punk. Speesh Marine is a very dignified man.
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>>172334017
>dying one's hair, especially to the color of blonde, is an indication of being a punk
This isn't the 80s anymore.
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>>172333976
She's kinda one-hitter, but not terrible. Better than Hanakana or Aoi Yuuki by mile for example.
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>>172334085
Tell that to their censored porn.
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>>172334085
Crows and Worst would like to have a talk with you.
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>>172334085
Indeed, nowadays only nazis doing that.
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I found a gf who loves SMT!
Her favourite game is Nocturne.
She's 8 out of 10 on everyone's scale, true qtp.
But her vagina kinda smells
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>>172334085
They're the world militaries' best men fighting demons, something tells me dying their hair isn't a priority at all.

At least Jim Jam Garcia is a PMO merc for hire, hence the aztec tattoos.
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>>172327753
Honestly, I consider them both the top mainlines so I have to disagree.
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>>172334639
Post pics, you don't get to decide 'everyone's scale' stupid huma- I mean fellow goy.
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>>172304281
no smt game can top the atmosphere of this game
this is the only smt for none weebs
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>>172333240
you cannot escape this hunger, the true messiah is here and not another wannabe
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So for the dub voice-casting who would be a good pick for Captain Jack?
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>>172335590
Stop posting shit quality at once!
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>>172335932
Stop posting shit at once. And by shit I mean Isabeau.
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>>172335974
Isabeau is great, you must be an absolute FAGGOT to hate on her.
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>>172335508
Most SMT games are for non-weebs.

It's persona that fucked everything up for everybody - except weebs of course.
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What is MT to SMT?
Are there any major connections between the two games, or can I just play SMTI and fully enjoy it?
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>>172324456
kek, no.

The poll is like 5 months old and that autist keeps reposting it.
I don't even care what are the current results anymore, but I know that a few anons have been spamming their votes ever since, so at this point the results of the poll are just a few faggots spamming their favorite games rather than the consensus of the entire general.

It was less biased like maybe after the first 3 weeks that it was made, by now everything is just spam.
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>>172297174
Because SMT 1 and 2 SUCK.

But I hope they get a remake some time, so everyone else can play them and see them for what they are, and you contrarian hipsters can stop sucking the dick of the worst games in the franchise.
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>>172337581
MT 1 and 2 are barebones but fun dungeon crawlers compared to SMT. From what I understand they are sort of like a prototype for what would become SMT. But this is from a gameplay stand point, I'm just starting to play the series and I'm playing the SNES remake of MT 1 right now.
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>>172337737
the point of remaking SMT I and II would be to fix them
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>>172333240
After taking the picture and putting everything away, I realized that I forgot to put Persona Q in there. Didn't include any special edition boxes or anything because I'm too lazy to get them out.
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>>172338479
I forgot P4G as well, dammit.
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>>172338479
What's that Gameboy game at the top right?
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>>172338479
>no Jack Bros
Shit collection
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Playing through SMTIV:A and I'm at the end-boss for the bonds route, what level should I be before attempting the DLC? should I try Twisted Tokyo first?
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>>172333240
The only games I own boxed are the DS games and P4A.
I buy stuff digitally if possible,
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>>172338796
Revelations: The Demon Slayer, the US release of Last Bible. Pretty fun, I beat it recently.
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>>172333240
Mine is pretty poor.

I only have the the PS2 tittles minus the Raidou duology, and the new games minus P4 DAN and Arena 2.
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>>172339346
I would love to find a copy of that. Maybe when I find a new job I could add to my collection more.
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>>172334639
Don't forget to gift her a N3DS and lend her your entire collection, or else she won't love you.
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>>172334639
>last quote
That's true for every girl. You really thought that stuff was ever supposed to not smell like fish? How naive.
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Hoy
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>>172343585
FUCK YOU CASUALRIE
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>>172343852
No fuck you Green Ghost Man
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>>172345173
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>>172334639
What's her alignment?
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>>172329582
Jack black voices everyone.
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>>172346076
Musubi
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>>172346076
Dog
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Guys, yhvh is nyx. Trust me.
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>>172346676
I can't prove you wrong, Nyx never said he's not YHVH, therefore you're right.
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>>172346676
WE ARE YHVH
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YVHV is the Great Will
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Patrasche is Axiom
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>>172329582
Lady Gaga for Zelenin
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Pascal is YHVH
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demiurge in sj isnt related to yhvh. if it was why would it use a different name huh?? the spelling is way different.
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>>172347256
WE WUZ YHVH AN SHEIT
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>>172348270
>YHVH backwards is dog
>Pascal is a dog
>tfw it is an anagram
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SMT x Tokyo Jungle
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SMT x Real Life
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>>172349120
So a game with nothing but social links?
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SMT x Persona
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>>172349120
beadman, we know its you.
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>>172334639
I found one too! But she's dating a nigger.
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Play DemiKids!
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>you need to tell people what they want to hear to rank their social links
>by doing so you unlock a myriad of social facades
is persona a game about sociopaths?
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Anyone got teh EP PSP patch?
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>>172350617
>teh
Fuck off le tumblr xD faggot. You don't deserve the patch.
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>>172350197
I'm busy playing the greatest SMT game ever made
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>>172350717
>not playing it in native resolution
Nigga...
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Does anyone have fanart of Red Sprite Crew members (the Investigation team) in Strange Journey? I remember seeing stuff of them when the game was new but I never saved it.
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>>172350937
I honestly forgot that was a feature. Thanks for reminding me.
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>>172351101
>not playing Deep Strange Journey
Nigga...
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>>172351469
It's not out yet
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>>172346213
underrated post
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>>172350717
>3264x1836
Kys yourself asap
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>>172352330
Shitty overrated 90s game
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>>172352954
that guy wasn't in SMT II
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>>172352954
2edgy4me, persona general is down the hall
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>>172350438
go read "how to win friends and influence people" by dale Carnegie. everyone is egocentric. the only way to get a person to walk away from a conversation having felt engaged is to
A: talk about their interests
B: let them do most of the talking
C: do not correct them or interrupt them, speak only when there is a clear moment to do so
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Why SMT is popular with niggers so much?
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>>172352954
Nah, I thought it was fun. The "technological future" stuff felt a bit flat now that Westerners played it years later, but it had a good vibe. It would have been much more appreciated if we had gotten it when it was new.
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>>172353201
Demons are cool
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>>172353201
as a nigger myself I can tell you that its not. and that nigga is a fake ass nigga and he's clearly only interested in waifu shit.
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>>172353085
That slag is lirerally the only good thing about that game
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What do you think?
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What will you do?
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>>172333786
>I pirated everything because fuck Atlus USA and their garbage policy on dual audio

You would have pirated even if they had dual audio
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Legitimately /smtg/, which protagonist would you prefer to go gay gay for? SMT I's, SMT II's, SMT If's (male), SMT III's, SMT SJ's, SMT IV's, or SMT IV - A's?
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wich one of you fuckers did this?
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>>172356160
probably flynn.

I mean the guy looks so feminine I could probably ignore his small dick
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>>172356249
fucking lost ailment
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>>172356160
Flynn
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>>172356160
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>>172356160
Would I be part of Lucifer's army if I became Demifiend's boyslut?
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>>172356663
>master1200
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>>172354135
>slag

she is best girl, but SH is a great game.
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>>172356160
I'd fuck all the MCs but I'd start with Hero or Demi. Oh and Nanashi needs to wear the gothic lolita outfit.
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>>172356160
SMTIV:A I guess. I'm pretty sure Nanashi is a bottom
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>>172357503
>not being a bottom for POWERFUL fucking from demi-fiend
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>>172356249
/smtg/ demon preperation meetup when?
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>>172356249
>tfw the DSP is region locked
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>>172356160
I want to be platonic friends with Kazuya. He seems cool. Even though he has a history of killing friends.
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>>172359336
Is he holding the dickcutter?
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>>172350717
Nigger! Get out of my thread! >:(
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So playing Nocturne and hit up Ginza and was i supposed to go to the underpass right after? Loki wouldn't let me enter his room front and back
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>>172360990
there's a manikin in the underpass who asks you to find a dollar bill, asking Nyx and Loki reveals he has one in his room, which lets you fight the troll guarding the door to get it
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>>172350707
Maybe it was a typo. No need to sperg out over a mispelled word.
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the telenet megaten has pretty good music
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>>172356160
Jonathan
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>>172356160
>no nakajima
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>implying Alex isn't YHVH
Prove me wrong.
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>>172363919
You're wrong.
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>>172363919
Could be Sophia.
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>>172363980
You win this round.
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>>172364173
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>>172356160
Aleph is my baby
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>>172364228
SMT x Touhou
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Speesh Marine is too manly I guess.
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>>172364456
There must be a Megaten x Touhou doujin somewhere out there on the internet.
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>>172364507
>so manly that remake had to tone down his manliness as the 3DS couldn't handle it
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>>172364758
I don't think Doi's redesign is bad but the lack of his original cheek bones, jawline being smoother, and distinctive eyebrows bothers me.
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>>172364923
Something about his mouth placement in Doi's.
Like the mouth is larger and lower on his face compared to Kaneko's
Maybe it's just me.
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How do you guys think Strange Journey's combat/fusion systems compare to Nocturne's?
I think they can't even hold a candle.

Plot and setting wise, now that's a different story.
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>>172365186
>>172364923
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>>172365326
I like turn order being based on party slot, rather than agility

other than that press turn is much better than the extra alignment attack thing
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>>172365379
zelenin is actually not too bad. probably the best redesign.

jimenez looks memetic but overall is decent.

mc is bad but not overwhelmingly so

gore...well...
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>>172365379
Poor Gore.
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>>172365610
I don't know why Doi focused on making the Demonica suits a brighter green. The drab olive-gray was better, I also don't think the guy can into hair details much either. I'm kind of torn between deciding who got it worse between Gore and Jimenez.

MC is alright.
Zelenin actually is improved but she's "less" smug which I don't like.
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>>172365808
sounds gay
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>>172365326
>>172365379
part of the problem is that they've all taken a blur tool to the face
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>>172365379
RIP Gore
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>>172365379
RIP Jimenez's scruffy hair
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>>172365379
Doi just went all out with the smugness on Jimenez.
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>>172366325
>awakened facial expressions with DSJ
He already went smug after fusion, imagine that
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>>172365379

Why is Jimenez now brown Junpei?
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>>172365379
>literally redrew and redid the crotch-plate armor on the suits
For what purpose, Doi?
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>>172366849
need better protection from those semen demons
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>>172367118
But the only semen demons he faces is Alice, Moe Shivvy, and Pixy!
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>>172366849
Huh Zelenin now looks like she has a puffy vulva
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>>172366849

Because when you tell a boss to suck it, you want some emphasis.
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>>172365854
its pretty gay ya
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>>172367303

>Implying Ouroboros isn't a sexy, sexy creature
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>>172367607
DELET
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>suddenly /smtg/ likes SJ
Bandwagon much?
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>>172367607

Alice is a goddamn meme just like Pixie.
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>>172368075
Here's the (You).
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>suddenly /smtg/ hates SJ
What went wrong?
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>>172368075
>suddenly
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wtf i hate SJ now
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>>172367607
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>>172367607
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>>172368978
Seriously I hope Anthony gets his demonfu in DEEP.
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Fuck Megaten I'm out bye.
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>>172369112
Who will be his demonfu?
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>>172369836
Alice.
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>>172370141
Alice is a LITTLE GIRL!
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>>172370296
Makes sense since An-something is a little man.
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>>172370345
>>172370296
>>172370141
>>172369836
>>
>try persona
>like the setting and music
>first battle
>grid positions
well that was a quick way to end my playthrough. who thought that was a good idea?
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>>172370960
You get used to the Grid positioning, most mid-endgame abilities can target anything on the battlefield.
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>>172370960
>Persona 1
>like music
If you're talking about PSP remake, then you must unbring thyself from life right fucking now.
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>>172370960
Fucking idiot casual
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>>172371285
A Lone Prayer is literally one of the best Persona songs ever
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>>172350197

>Even playing best version

My Nigga. I kinda feel like the Devil Children series was really underrated.
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>>172371285
what's everyone's issue with the PSP remake music?
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>>172372072
The original's is better
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>>172350717
>another brother
I knew there were some brothers in this thread. Right on!
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>>172372196
enough so to play the original instead?
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>>172372550
There's a romhack somewhere that has the original ps1 music on the psp iso. Someone here might have it.
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>>172372936
Check /pg/s op theres a link for a prepatched iso in one of their guides
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>>172372340
I'm not your brother
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>>172373556
fuck you faggot ass nigger
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>30 seconds loops
>in fucking mono
Anyone whom recommend that shitty patch should cut their ears off
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>>172367607
What the fuck? Does she have cancer?
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>>172374597
I'm confused.
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About to start SMT on the SNES.
I noticed that in the tips and tricks in the OP, Hero and Heroine have different stat up recommendations.
Do they have different stat growth?
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>>172374649
Nevermind, I thought that her pantyhose was her skin and she had some disgusting tumors all over her legs.

I guess the art is just bad.
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>>172375314
You're just dumb.
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>>172375157
Heroine learns spells, Hero does not.
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>>172375314
i think you need your eyes checked
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>>172375418
Rude.
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>>172375562
Try not to feel too bad.
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>>172375418
doesn't llook like cancer but it does look like bad artwork lmaooo
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>>172365379
GOLDENEYE JIMENEZ
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>>172379546
Jack Bros.
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>>172381076
Is this a leak for the plot of DSJ?
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>>172381076
Japan has a lot of really weird cults for some reason.
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shilling my jimenez meme again please don't hurt me guys i just think it's funny and i posted it pretty late last time
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>>172382563
Jimenez is cute! CUTE!
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>>172382563
>>172382695
i think i forgot something fuck
sorry for tricking you into thinking jimenez was a cute girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1_z7JJlMJE
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>>172365379
SJ Protag is okay but original version is far better. Gore is absolutely ruined. Doi just kind of fucked up Jimenez hair and the bemused expression is turned into an overly smug anime man. Zelenin looks a bit cuter.
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fuck anime
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>>172365379
I like the artist that draws characters with thick black lips and eyes. I wish that style was still used.
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>>172384880
kaneko
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>>172384880
So Papa Kaneko?
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>>172384880
He's busy at the moment.
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>>172382745

Jimenez has a handsome voice.
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>>172382745

I feel you could've improved the video further by putting this in the background in a low volume.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASVmkz0Ntgs
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>>172386192
I think that would've made the guy sound cool instead of like a fedora-tipping retard but you are correct, I did not at all think about music
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>>172385382
Is there a story behind this pic? I know is was from an art book or something.
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SMT x Jackass
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>>172391191
Every low level run, ever.
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Hoy
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>>172391956
Hoy.
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>>172391956
Wrong Chaosbro
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>>172391191
what would the cast's alignments be?

I'm guessing Bam would be chaos, Knoxville too probably.
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>Another thing that bothered me was the trend of the main character always being portrayed as someone special -- a legendary warrior, for example.
>It was the equivalent of saying you can't succeed unless you're from a wealthy family, and I just couldn't stand that.
>I wasn't born with special genes, and I'm sure most other players weren't either.
>No matter who you are, if you're given a chance and have the guts to try your best, you can become a hero...
>That became the concept of Megami Tensei.

Where did it go wrong?
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SMT x Beerfest
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>>172395159
Wow, that's sad.
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>>172395159
In SMT2 the MC is literally Synthetic Jesus.
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>>172395159
In SMT the MC is the reincarnation of Adam.
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>>172395159
If anything the series has probably come closer to this in more recent years, despite you fags shitting on things.

>flynn is just some bumfuck commoner who gets lucky enough to become part of an elite warrior group and works his ass off to become respected in both mikado and tokyo on the neutral route
>nanashi is some bumfuck hunter runt who gets picked by irish friendless god and le teleporting stephen hawking to go kill god through his own efforts and leave the ally gathering and actual work largely up to him
the same cannot be said for many early SMT games, including SMT and SMT2, and it's been at it's worst with persona.

kaneko is also autistic but still
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Is apocalypse difficulty in smtIV:A as hard as the game is telling me it is?
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>>172395950
except then they pull a bunch of nonsense about flynn AND nanashi being reincarnations of akira and they're chosen messiahs and shit
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>>172395950
Both of them are reincarnations of the most influential guys in the IV universe
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inb4 SMT SJ remake has another Neutral ending where everyone lives.
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guess what
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>>172396181
>you know, you're right, even though I'm half demon, demons are awful and we should seal them away forever. I guess we can be friends after all.
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>>172396075
>>172396104
you know, you're actually right, and I forgot the stephen DLC which shits on half of what I said even further because the Axiom apparently creates messiahs (special people) who serve as heroes

Even still, that doesn't stop the fact that the Hero and Aleph and arguably Demifiend were all basically chosen ones as well
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>>172396075
>>172396104
Yeah, but the Hero is literally the reincarnation of Adam. However, in the SMT universe, being the reincarnation of someone doesn't mean that you will be like him. The Hero's achievements are because he had guts and determination, not because he was reincarnated from Adam. Flynn and Nanashi are the same as the Hero, despite being reincarnations, their achievements are their own.
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>>172396075
>flynn AND nanashi being reincarnations of akira

No, Nanashi is reincarnation of Akira, Flynn is reincarnation of some other guy who everyone sucks the dick of.

>>172396394
There's always Hardcore Hacker and Space Marine, they were basically nobodies.
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>>172396442
except Nanashi got fucking rekt immediately and had daddy Dagda to carry his ass through the game
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>>172396305
That fucking price, I can't afford it.
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>>172396540
Akira is a leader, not a fighter
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Will DSJ give the Muhreen some cosmic backstory?
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>>172396861
God, i hope not.
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>>172396861
He is gonna be the reincarnation of some competent dude from the past, which means that he will magically get a power up the moment he realizes it.
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>>172396540
do you even remember akira from 4?
>blasted akira was a tired old man barely holding onto the remnants of the human race and driven nearly insane by kiyoharu
>twisted akira was a complete and utter pussy that relied on flynn to do everything
you thought nanashi was gonna turn out to be something badass?

>>172396502
I thought 4's dlc proved flynn wasn't a reincarnation but was part of some time bullshit that stephen pulled? you go back in time to fight masakado and tell him to make the dome, so I assumed everyone thought the flynn of the present was a reincarnation and not actually the real guy
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>>172396861
thanks to IV: A every protagonist in this series will be 'a messiah created by the Great Will to bring about the neutral route in one of the infinite universes'. so yeah, marine is a messiah, hacker is a messiah, raidou is a messiah, even the persona fags are probably messiahs since that probably takes place in the SMTverse so the great will has power over that too
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>>172397854
isn't door-kun just a huge jesus allegory anyway? Seems pretty messiah-like to me
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>>172364606
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>Try to ask a gameplay related question on a Persona 5 stream
>Nothing but waifu discussion
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How long until Famitsu info?
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>>172369836
This is going to be his demonfu
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>>172398382
>gameplay
>p5
I jest but what's the query, maybe one of our sad faggots can answer
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>>172398803
I was just wondering if you're holding a Persona if you talk to the same Shadow in battle if they'll leave or give you items like in other games.
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>>172398382
People don't play Persona for the gameplay anon. Look at this "gameplay trailer" and see how much gameplay is in it. That should tell you where their priorities lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPqSkzNNPIg
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>>172398786
T H I C C
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>>172398937
>other games
Do you really expect them to have played anything outside of P3/4?
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What's a good endgame skillset for magic Nanashi? I've been lazy and just sticking with the dynes, hamaon/mudoon and energy drain.
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I didn't do my research and downloaded some 3ds games.

how badly did I fuck up by starting to play IV Apocalypse before IV?

Will just be missing too much by skipping IV?
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>>172400145
get the final level of the elemental spells, concentrate, possibly guardian's eye, and then luster candy

energy drain is trash in every way possible

>>172400173
You fucked up very bad.

IV: A expects you to know everything that happened in IV before playing, meaning you're going to miss out on the relevance ton of story stuff and plot lines

I guess it's still playable since IV:A's story is kind of shit anyway but you'll probably be confused half the time
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>>172400145
Deadly Wind, Thunder Gods, Trisagion, Ice Age, Concentrate, Luster candy, Magaon and Awakened power.
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>>172395159
>reincarnation of Izanagi
>reincarnation of Adam
>synthetic Jesus
Demifiend, the persona protagonists (barring Yu, who is Nakajima 2.0), Hacker and Space marine are pretty much the only average joes in the series.
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>>172399091
>implying sim aspects aren't gameplay
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>>172400145
Judgement Light is probably my favorite

available as early as Anubis, and most heralds/late divines have it too so it's very easy to get to +9

couple with concentrate and awakened power and it's probably the best grinding skill out there
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Was there always a /pg/? When did the split happen?
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>>172401174
5+ years ago.
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OK, this is something that I see people talk about a lot, but I don't fully understand it. What exactly is a Messiah? Why do people get so upset about it? As far as I can tell, it only means that the Axiom observes the world through those people.
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>>172401492
Making the main character a predestined hero devalues what you achieve in the story.
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>>172401492
Who is that girl anyways?
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>>172401987
She's the Shin Megami that Tenseis
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>>172401857
But all we know about Messiahs is that the Great Will observes the world through them. That doesn't seem to imply that their paths were predestined. Unless there is a piece of dialogue that I'm forgetting about, I'm pretty sure there is no predestination for Messiahs.
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>>172401492
A Messiah is basically a super special person made by God or the Axiom or the Great Will who does what's best for humanity, a.k.a. the neutral route. Already this gets people mad because people have to be divided up into their chaoscamps, lawcamps and whatever and don't like that atlus likes favoring the neutral route in the games.

>axiom observes the world
Well, leaving out the theory that the Axiom is separate from the Great Will and that the Axiom is actually you, the person controlling the MC, it just makes it seem like all the achievements you do in the story aren't by your hand, but rather that you're a cosmic chess piece. People here (read:autists) generally like it more when 'man carves his own destiny' and want to do their own thing rather than just being someone else's pawn or a special snowflake fighting for the cause.
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>>172400568
How come Demi-fiend gets left out?
I mean other than becoming a demon, dude was just lucky he got into the Vortex World and wasn't no pre disposed "messiah"(if that works considering TDE is chaos) until IVA.
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>>172401987
cunt goddess that lies repeatedly to you to get you to do things beneficial to her, like every other demon in the game
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>>172402509
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Demifiend, Piercy, Tatsuya, Maya, Door-kun, Hacker and Space Marine are the average joes.
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>>172402613
I misread, apologies
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>>172400568
>demifiend
he may be an average joe but he still is a special snowflake from the start of the game with the whole half human/demon thing

>persona protags
they would be average joes but they're mary sues who can land any chick they want and are skilled at using everything while most people focus on one particular thing sooo

>hacker and marine
these are the only 2 that are pretty much normal, everyday people, that don't come off as snowflakes, sues, or anything special, just people who work hard to beat superior foes without any cosmic bullshit involved

kaneko had autistic hopes for the series
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>>172402815
space marine is the best protag
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>>172402318
>A Messiah is basically a super special person made by God or the Axiom or the Great Will who does what's best for humanity, a.k.a. the neutral route.
Where are you getting this from? That doesn't seem right at all. Stephen himself is the most Neutral character in the entire series, and he says this to you while helping you. A Messiah seems to be a person with great influence over the war between gods and demons, but their path is not set. They are not made to take the Neutral route, they are just given the chance to make a big difference, and it's up to them to rise up to the challenge and make their own choice. That doesn't sound too bad to me.
>>
Do you want SMT: Switch to have 2D portraits or 3D models?
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>>172402815
>they would be average joes but they're mary sues who can land any chick they want and are skilled at using everything while most people focus on one particular thing sooo
Is this your headcanon or what?
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>>172403310
3D everything, including battles
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>>172403310
2d, switch can't handle 3d
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>>172403310
A random mishmash of both to fuck with people
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>>172404404
So like IVA?
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>>172403310
3d models
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>>172403310

paper mario grafix
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>>172402815
>Piercy
Average kid who plays the Persona game, not very important to the plot. Skills: moving very fast in 1st person dungeons.
>Tatsuya
A delinquent who almost fucks over everybody by being selfish. Skills: riding a motorbike.
>Maya
A twenty something reporter who cleans up Tatsuya's mess. Skills: positive thinking.
>Door-kun
Teenager who got fucked over by a megacorporation. Skills: being pretty good at sports, watching movies.
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I'm cleaning up SMTIV:A, currently at Brane 3. Using Demiurge, Samael and Mitra-Buddha. Sounds good? How much health does YHVH have? I can't seem to find any info, since gamefaqs section is empty.
Also, I hate how all the useful spells like Antichthon require Smirk now. I really hope Demiurge learns Smile Charge later.
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Is Nanashi x Flynn are OTP?
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>>172408645
Nanashi is a strong grill who don't need no friends kid.
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>>172408716
I was think that Nanashi is Dagda's transgender slave.
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>>172409004
>transgender
pig disgusting senpai. feminine penises must stay intact as dictated by nature not split in half into a gross wound.
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>>172409351
blah blah blah. blah penises blah blah blah blah.
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i love shin megumi tensai

favorite game series
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damn y'all niggas are gay as fuck
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>>172409463
do you want to cut your dick off anon? there's this alignment that might be perfect for you called law.
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>>172409659
It's OK to be gay.
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>>172409659
you are in this fandom too anon...
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>>172409691
blah blah blah blah dick blah blah? blah blah blah blah.
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>>172408417
Demiurge has way too little MP for me to keep around and the big skills like Antichthon use way too much MP for the damage you get out of them. YHVH has a ton of health over two forms, it's a lengthy fight no matter how strong you are so MP is important.

Didn't use Mitra but Samael definitely a solid choice. I suggest getting a Seraph (preferably with null ice or better) if you want a good healer with high HP, which is pretty necessary since they'll be taking a lot of damage.

Doping is an absolute must so hopefully you have still have Navarre around or easy access to it otherwise.
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>>172409720
>fandom
you know the drill
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>>172409802
I actually made Inanna into a healer, since she was made from Norns, and MC is the one doing all magical damage in my party anyway.
Also, I've been told I should rely on Navarre for doping for some reason. So I'm keeping it on Samael as well.
I'm doing the friendship route, but I honestly wonder what would happened if I went massacre, since you still have to cut some ghost walls to progress through the final dungeon.
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>>172409856
what do you want me to call it? following? neck yourself homosex boy
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>>172409991
well doping is expensive, so having navarre do it saves you a lot of MP and a skill slot, not like you should use anyone else for boss fights anyway

you should have some good phys and gun damage potential too, since YHVH's weaknesses are essentially random, almighty skills are a waste and you won't even consider them when you figure out his gimmick
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>>172410275
>almighty skills are a waste and you won't even consider them when you figure out his gimmick
Oh, really? I thought he just resists everyfuckingthing. I planned on almighty spamming him to death, hoping I won't run out of MP. I have all elemental skills on my MC, except Mudoon, which I had to trade for piercing passive. But if you're saying there's a pattern to the fight, maybe I won't have to rely on Megidolaon after all.
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>>172410413
absolutely not, it's a huge waste

gimmick is pretty simple, but also random
every time flynn hits him with godslayer sword it reduces one random resistance, if the same one happens twice it becomes a weakness
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>>172410569
Oh well I'll see how it plays out when I get to the boss.
On another note, you reminded me I've got some messiah ticket, or salvation ticket or something from Krishna fight. It's not listed under key items, and looks like a support item, but it's not usable. What is it all about?
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>>172410778
compendium ticket?

you use it to summon a demon from the compendium for free
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>>172410874
No, I know what you use compendium tickets for. This one is different. Let me find how it's precisely called.
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>>172411115
Hm, I can't seem to find it on the wiki, and I won't have access to my 3DS until after work. So this will have to wait until the evening.
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>>172411448
are you thinking of the destiny stone maybe?

I'm fairly certain that just lets you get awakened power again if you get rid of it
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>>172411578
Ah, maybe it was it.
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DEEP
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DARK
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COCK
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INSIDE
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MY
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SPAGHETTI
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STRANGE
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/smtg/
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HOLE
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HOPE
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JOURNEY
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>>172408417
>asking about your choice of demons in the game with undetermined stats and skills distribution mechanics
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>>172395159
Kaneko became Creative Director only after SMTII. Hitoshura was pretty normalfag-tier, Flynn was almost normalfag-tier.
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>>172371285
Persona 1 Portable's music is infinitely better than the original
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>>172419391
Shut up, Meguro.
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>>172416291
>stats
Demons' are more or less fixed.
>skills
Demons have a few innate skills, although they can be changed too, true.

And if you don't build MC into a nuker, either physical or magical, you're playing these games wrong.
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How many turns do you have to beat Megrez?
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>>172419391
Not infinitely better but at least as good.
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>>172409004
He ain't need no Dagda either.
But a girl has needs, so a mind-broken slave is fine.
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>>172404404
3D portraits with 2D battles and an explorable 2D map of an actual fictional region, but without the casual markers of IV:A.
Also bring back the loyalty system, magnetite management, demon co-op, alignment reliant summoning and recruiting, and alignment exclusive healing spots.

This would be the perfect game.
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>>172397854
To be fair, I think part of this was bad writing. I don't think that the point is that the great will literally does this by itself. But that this happens from observation, and so indirectly is caused by it. It seems like "messiahs" are provided the same way gods are created. And aren't necessarily uber special, they are just people who the hopes of the people surround. I think that that is also the point of godslayers. Specific people become godslayers by becoming people thought of so highly that what they do pushes out the observation of tons of people onto whatever god they kill.
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Is Desperate Hit's damage calculated by DEX or STR in SMT4:A?
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>>172424953
DEX
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>>172425829
So would Gun Pleroma/High Gun Pleroma boost it?
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>>172398382
>>172399091
pic related
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>>172426657
>look these random people on twitter asking for gay romance!
>meanwhile SMTIVA protagonist is already a cross-dressing degenerate
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>>172427025
But Nanashi is a super sentai biker with a Demonica helmet.

Please don't confuse your headcanon with reality.
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>>172427025
I don't even know what you're trying to get at
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>>172426657
stable? one chimp? or does he mean demons
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Hello, where are Famitsu leaks?
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>>172428390
Walter's ribs creep me out.
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>>172395159
I have no fucking clue why Nanashi had to be a le messiah as well. He had Dagda powers
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>>172310690
>collecting pillars or some shit
>Segment where you're inside a creature
>Segment where you're in an alternate demon world
>Fighting YHVH
>Lucifer being a bro


Maybe my memory of SMT1 is fuzzy, but I still think MT2 had more in common with SMT2.
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maybe I will be happier if I play Persona
maybe I would be happier if I embraced the waifuism
Persona fans are always happy with whatever they get
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Is nanako law?
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>>172431341
Deep neutral.
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>>172430920
All the cool guys are a fan of both.

But the fanbase is full of its own nuisances like waifuwars and casuals, all on top of the nerds who hate every game that isn't a copypaste of their favorite/first game.
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>>172425920
Almighty pleroma would.
Since it's an Almighty attack.
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>>172431645
>fuse Krishna
>level him up
>learn Salvation through him

Good try Krishna, but you're not the boss of me now.
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>>172365379
>Gore... Gore had a smooth life
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I'm currently playing Persona 3 Portable on Maniac and I'm having fun so far letting my party act on its own instead of selecting everyone's skills.
Are there any other SMT games where you can do this, with your demons using the skills they want?
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>>172432620
soul hackers
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Do the older SMT games hold up to the test of time or are they too clunky now.
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>>172432962
SMTII and kyuaku megami tensei are playable. SMTI is way too clunky though.

All of them from before the late 90s are archaic though. They're archaic a bit even for the times. But they're playable.
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>>172401492
It's "MC". Great Will, axiom etc. are 'player' interfering.
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>>172428826
who knows with those guys
>>172429759
I use that image largely for the creep out factor
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>>172401492
Well, iva has a different definition of messiah than the old games. But as far as iva goes, I think part of this came from bad translation that made it sound more specific than it is. I think its just describing observation. Note that people ascribe creation of gods to the great will based on observation. So when they say it creates messiahs, I think we're meant to think that this isn't a distinct entity doing something, but once again just a description of observation. Humans want a messiah, so their observations flow into a strong person who can represent them.
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>>172432773
Looks interesting, thanks!
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If I'm currently neutral, can my answers to Gore's questions in sector H give you the Law or Chaos ending? Or does my alignment still play a large role in the outcome?
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http://personacentral.com/first-smt-deep-strange-journey-high-res-famitsu-scans-screenshots/
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>>172434315
Yeah. If you're neutral as far as I know you can take any ending. Your answer to gore directly decides your ending. If you can't take one it won't be available to you.
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>>172434425
Looks like shit
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Holy shit, he's even more smug than Walter now.
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>>172435352
Oh, Jimenez... You little bitch. Everything was your fault, you dumbass. We're not friends!
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>>172435352
Ay dios mio
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>all the crew mates have portraits
Nice. I'm really glad they could do it this time.
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>>172436515
her design is so nice. I wish she would have gotten her own spinoff instead.
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>>172436515
>Creator's Massage
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>>172436515
is that a pissflap?
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>>172436515
I wonder if it'll run on Soul Hacker's 3DS engine with really fast battle pacing.
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>>172430253
Don't forget
>Undemonizing certain deities
>The enemy hero that's meant to be your opposite (Dark Hero/Daleth) doesn't amount to anything important in the end.
You aren't wrong either. Other anon is just deluded.

>>172429876
Akira/Nanashi was already a special, unique person in the original game too. He was destined to found the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado in all timelines and people look up to him as an actual leader, while Flynn's just an idol of worship.

>>172402318
Demi-Fiend went TDE in Nocturne according to the DLC and that's Chaos.

>>172402509
>>172402613
Demi-Fiend was made in Lucifer's image. He always meant for Demi-Fiend to be like himself, which is why Kagutsuchi throws a bitchfit about you acting like Lucifer on Freedom.

Plus the Miroku Scripture spoke of him.
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>>172437187
Probably EO's.
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>>172397193
Blasted Akira wasn't insane. He was weak and slowly dying from Pluto's poison. To the point he can't even fight anymore.

He was still an inspirational leader all of Blasted folk looked to for guidance.
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So for the record SJ 2 electric buggolo is NOT that teased game shown in the NX conference right? I want a home console Mainline/non persona game now
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>Maria is in a unique sector from what the background shows.
Maria is important! Important!

Will she be the one sealing Demiurge away?
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>>172437039
It's a sex flap
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>>172436515
>that bulge
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>>172437489
Yeah, don't worry. The SJ remake is different.
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gore is damn thicc
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Hope that nerd Sugita voices one of the demons.

>>172437760
Now I see it.

>>172437642
It's for going to the bathroom.
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>>172437881
gore is not for lewd
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I didn't notice Amon's little atrophied legs before, he's way sillier now
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>>172438434
Yes, sex in the bathroom
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>>172438764
Well he does have a giant snake tail. He probably doesn't use his wolf legs.
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>>172437302
That would be interesting, but the difference is that EO's environments are typically pretty to look at.
SJ is full of hallways, literally so in the shopping mall sector.
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>Amon
>Huge yaoi hands
>Vestigial Dog legs
>Huge Snake tail
>Big fluffy Owl head, chest, and wings
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>>172296836
I see what you did there OP, nice job!
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>engine from IV
Yesh!

Still, fuck new direction. If it'll turn out as another moebait, I am done with the series.

>after success of DSJ they will inevitably rape SMTI and II
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>>172437554

If it's anything like the other recent remakes, I don't think the new story parts will be related to the old ones.

Anyway, considering how we're finally getting demons from Nine (that actually debuted there and weren't just unused like Tokisada), we might get Adam and Eve too...
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>>172440748
A remake of I and II would be much preferable to this shit.
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>>172440748
I and II would already be moebait, they don't even have to add news girls
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>>172440748
>moebait
>with a mostly unchanged story, featuring a new plot element if a young woman
fook off senpai
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>>172440863
>he wants his dating-sim versions of I and II
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>>172436515
>Irving portrait
All I wanted.
I'm not a fan of the new UI though.
And even compared to the redraws and Zoe's portrait, Alex does look from a completely different instalment
Not that I'm saying its bad, it's an ok design. Probably on purpose anyway. All depends on her plot.
>press turn's in
Can't wait for Mem Aleph being harder/easier.
>>172436853
Not going to lie, but I thought she was going to be the MC for a sequel or side story through the initial teaser.
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>>172441293
>He doesn't want a version of II where you fuck haniel's boypussy.
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I hope the new girl has a huge dick. I need to be put in my place.
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Bet you they make dark and light attack elements like in IVA.

Memu Arefu will KO you with her OP Darkness/Light by damage and 100% KO.

>>172441367
I like her sprite, even if I feel her artwork feels like it doesn't belong.
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I want to fuck Alex
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>>172441948
*blocks your path*
Was hoping she would have a helmet to fit that weird comp looking thing, but fuck I was more bothered by the background in that screenshot.
that Bootes overhaul looks nice.
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>>172436515
>You're finished...this is...where you'll die!
Oh, joy. I hope I'm reading this wrong.
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>all those hopes for running around Schwarzwelt in 3D and on-screen enemies that can be shot at to initiate battles
>it's just the same thing except slightly personafied
Oh
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>>172440964
But anon, wumenz are evil!1!!
Classic SMT, aka good SMT, never had cute females in their cast!
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>>172442231
Why would you hope for that in the first place? Are you retarded? They don't rerelease games to have to totally remake them. If they were going to do that they'd make an entirely new game.
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>>172440748
I hope the mothers change commander Goro into a kawaiii! magical girl when they revive him.
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>>172442170
She wants to murder Space Marine.

Space Marine x Jimenez is the obvious OTP anyways. Asherah's too big for Space Marine to handle.

>>172442315
We've had cute girls since Megami Tensei I.
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>>172442315
That's hard projection there man.
>>172442170
>wants to kill you
What would you expect?
I want to know how this works though. Is it going to be forced one time, and other events are optional of following her route, gets injected with route split along with LNC, becomes part of the dungeons like an FOE and how her and MC comes to UNDERSTANDING.
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>>172442170
She's a tsundere. First time seeing one?

I mean I know Atlus is retarded but surely they aren't retarded enough to put a new heroine in only to feed her to the meat grinder that is the protagonist.
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>>172442363
Don't defend low effort cash grabs
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>>172440748
There is a reason why they choose to remake Strange Journey and not SMT I/II.
All the Demons from SJ were left in the data of IV, and there's no need for new OST. This means that Strange Deep Jorney is the cheapest remake possible right now.
Shin Megami Tensei I and II, instead, would require a large amount of work, so don't expect those anytime soon.
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>>172442568
>Jimenez
Shite.

>>>/out/
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>>172402509
Demi-Fiend is the Chaos equivalent to Law's Aleph. Lucifer turned him into a half-demon so there's no way you can equate him with a Messiah.
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>>172442924
But that's like saying don't defend Atlus.
>>172442706
>no way fag option is the reject path option
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>>172443150
>no way fag option is the reject path option
You are going to waifu this girl and you are going to like it. SMT is a shit series and needs to be Personalized in order to sell. Adapt or die.
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>>172442315
Yeah I'm pretty sick of this new age bullshit. Sure, there have been a few recent cases of idiot writers taking advantage of women to sell their product through 'progressiveness.' There have also still been women included in things for good old fashioned sex appeal. I just don't understand why these idiots today point fingers at regular female characters that wouldn't have gotten a second thought ten to twenty years ago. She's not a sex symbol, she just isn't ugly. Was this character added because people like women? Shit, probably, but what's wrong with people liking women? As long as she isn't poorly written into the plot, I don't see what the issue is.

I'm sorry that you faggots didn't know but women do exist. They exist in the real world and they have always existed in the SMT universe. Fuck off with this "series is dead" mentality. I do agree that the new artwork is foul though
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>>172365379
Is it purposeful or does Doi just suck at facial details?
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>>172443150
>But that's like saying don't defend Atlus.
Don't defend Atlus. Are you retarded?
>he probably defends Atlus USA as well
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>>172441948
dark and light elements work better in IVA anyway. they aren't adding smirk though, are they?
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>>172443132
Yes you can. Just like Aleph, Hero, Flynn are Messiahs to demons and humans when they go Chaos.

Demi-Fiend doesn't change that because he is a Messiah in the Diamond Realm.
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>>172443641
They're adding smirk and making so any attack can instant kill while smirking
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>>172443729
Stop encouraging iva's shitty new use of the word messiah.
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>>172443389
probably intentional because he needs to make various expressions this time
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>>172443132
According to FINAL, Demifiend is actually a Messiah. Messiahs don't have anything to do with alignment, they are just humans who are given the chance to make a huge difference in the world by the Axiom. The Demifiend's heart is still human up until the True Demon Ending, so he is a Messiah until then.
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>'Look guys, we added Nebiros and Beelzepoop!!'

Jeez.
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>>172443770
nice joke
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>>172443836
Being a messiah to demons and mutants was already a thing in SMTII. They even call Aleph as such on Chaos.

Demi-Fiend is a Messiah to demon's and even called their "Black Hope" for TDE. All you change is who you are specifically a messiah to.
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>>172443978
Master Therion's dick
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>>172443978
Beelzebub is great and should be in all games so fuck off. Crowley is the only one out of place cause he's shit.
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>>172298025
It was originally planned to be SMT4 but it was deemed too different to the previous games so they gave it a subtitle instead.

So, yes.
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>>172443836
nigga go read a book
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>>172444027
Demi-fiend never said he's Black Hope therefore he is not messiah.
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>>172444027
Messiah is a word in the english language. Of course random people can use it for whatever. The point is that in II they called you an alternate messiah for a reason, and in other roles you might still have messianic tendencies, but its still a distinct thing from the "messiah" archetype. Something that p3 very obviously showed was a lawful figure. Using messiah now as a specific term for every hero is just bizarre. They should use something else so as not to conflate it with the law archetype.
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>>172444256
The Lady in Black did.
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>>172443978
>that crotch segment on Alex's armor
MUH
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>>172443978
>Waiting for Alice subquest to add these two again
>>172443582
John Hardin is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.
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>>172444161
My point was that entire idea of these demons returning in the game being presented as something worth mentioning is stupid, you mongoloid.
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>>172444256
Demifiend also never said that he was the demifiend. Does that mean he's not the demifiend?
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>>172444319
But thats a penis segment...
>>172444421
Demifiend is YHVH, he never stated otherwise.
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>>172444581
Alex is a girl and she does not have a penis.
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>>172444263
I understand what you're saying but I don't understand why you feel as though Messiah isn't subjective. It's really like law and chaos themselves. Those aligned with law, feel as though they're in the right, while Chaos feel as though they are correct in their beliefs. The Messiah to them is whoever is leading their side to prosperity.
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>>172443971
Well then tell me loremaster. What happened after the DF became a true demon? They were going to attack God or some shit.
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>>172444263
Because Jesus is Neutral obviously. There have been multiple messianic figures from Buddha to Krishna, and you fight Buddha as Sakya as a demon in Persona 2 and Krishna's whole everyone will be poo in his loo.

Even Maitreya/Miroku is viewed as a messiah by some.

In fact some Gnostic Sects depict Jesus as a false messiah, and Gnosticism is a big influence on SMT
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>>172444263
Even the White refer to you as a Messiah. I'm pretty sure it's been used by people from every alignment for a while now. This isn't something new.
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>>172445026
The Demifiend and Lucifer travel the Amala Network and continue the fight against God.
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>>172445026
they got BTFO
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>>172445373
Considering Strange Journey is set after the events of Nocturne, and YHVH/Great Will is still weakened which is why he gets "torn apart" and imprisoned by the Mothers when trying to stop the Schwarzwelt, its highly doubtful they got "BTFO". Especially since Lucy-chan in drag is all willy nilly and fine.
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I'm gonna go deep in spees mahreen's journey!
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>Lucifer Boss in DSJ
>Locked to Law only
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>>172445575
>Considering Strange Journey is set after the events of Nocturne

That's not true. The games are set in their own universe.
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>>172444875
Its not about who counts as a generic messiah. Its that up until now, the by far most common use of the word messiah has referred to the archetype of a specific lawful role. And this role is important to be able to refer to thematically, since it has a lot to do with law in general. The law religion is literally called messianism. Their use of the word obviously refers to a specific archetype used for law, and not just any generic savior. Not even just a generic law savior, but something unique about what they are doing for them.

>>172445146
The point isn't that other people can't use the word. Its that them using it sometimes as a different type of use of the word is different from hijacking it as the main use. Calling every hero a messiah and defining messiah as the main term for a universal archetype for any side kind of gets in the way of the specific archetype of it used for law reference wise. A few offhand references that other people are still a "kind" of messiah isn't the same.

Its kind of like if for some reason mem aleph was just outright called mother earth and was on the law side instead of chaos. It would come off odd when the chaos side are literally called gaians that a term that should be used mainly for them is being put in a different place. Messiah as a term irl is generally mainly used in the context of abrahamic religions anyways. So its odd for it to be moved to a generic term for any hero making it seem like there's hordes of messiahs. When its original existence even irl as a term was to refer to something that comes off semi unique.
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>>172443978
>/smtg/ gets mad over ATLUS adding more content
>/smtg/ gets mad over ATLUS not adding more content

Jesus guys, get a hold of yourselves.
I know it's super epin to be a jaded contrarian, but you are overdoing it.
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>>172443770
>adding smirk
dropped
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>>172445316
The result?

>>172445373
Really? What happened to "demonkind's hope"?
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>>172445814
I'll show you jaded
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>>172445651
I think you mean locked to dark neutral only. The same place all the new content will be.
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I wonder if they'll add press turn to dsj
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>>172445702
Don't be an idiot. There are multiple events that refer to those in prior games, I said nothing about it being in the same universe, I said the events of Nocturne are directly indicated as having ramification which is why the Great Will in Demiurge's form got ass-raped by Mem Aleph when he came to try and stop the Mothers in the Schwarzwelt.

>Ed Bighead is weakened in SMT II
>indicated as being a factor in SMT III
>SMT III has both SJ and IV indicating he was further weakened as a result of the TDE ending in SMT III
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>>172445938
>not Deep Neutral
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>>172445864
He's lying. Demi-Fiend is still going around fighting God's forces.

Infinite Universes and all that junk. He bested him in his own universe so now he'll do it to the rest.
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>>172445969
>the Great Will in Demiurge's form

Are you trying to act autistic now? Demiurge is yhvh, not the great will. The great will doesn't "take forms." And these games are not implied to directly follow eachother at all. They are simply different worlds with their own yhvhs. If you didn't notice, this "meta battle" beyond the normal alignments that nocturne hinted at has been ignored since then since they realized how stupid it came off.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eYf3OHqq9s
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>>172445809
Messianism is about the belief that a messiah will come and help to establish the Milenium Kingdom. This Messiah is not set. In SMT1, the Messians at first think that the Heroine is the messiah, but afterwards they believe that Law Hero is the messiah. It is not and has never been something unique.
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>>172445969
Not it doesn't. Demiurge was beating because SJ humanslost faith in him and all the Mothers rammed their big fat tits into his face so hard he broke.
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>>172446183
Stop being retarded. The point was events in prior games have consequences in those set after them in the main series. Nocturne isn't set in the same universe as II, yet we have Aleph's reincarnation getting the GER equivalent to a Death Loop from YHVH across the Amala for performing the ultimate sin. Mara takes about her failed summoning, and the Demiurge even admits he was weakened from events prior to SJ (those in II and III) as well as through Metatron possessing one of Space Marine's crew mates.

The events are interlinked and connected even if the universes aren't directly.
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>>172446183
>>172446183
The guy has always had this autistic headcannon for years. I've argued against it and he refuses to understand.

>>172446235
Pretty good.
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>>172446416
I never said that it was something unique. The games make it obvious that its not. At the end of II gabriel even calls you the "new" savior. The reason its called messianism in general is that its post-christian. Their crosses all have no jesus on them to show that they evolved past just thinking jesus was unique. Jesus does exist in their unierse obviously though, since in SJ they refer to him directly.

The point is that their specific archetype was unique to the law side. It was the main use of the word messiah. Specific buzzwords are associated with specific alignments. Sure, other sides can use them sometimes too. But they are mainly associated with one. Taking as important of a term as the literal term that the law religion has in its name, and making it generic to all sides was a bad move. Its too important of a lawful term.
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>>172445864
>result
There has never been a "SMT3 Apocalypse" that follows up on SMT3's plot so how do you expect a "result"?
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>>172444695
Watch closely, anon...
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>>172446463
>No it doesn't.
Play the actual game.
>Demiurge was beaten
Yes.
>because SJ humans lost faith in him
That wasn't the only reason. He even indicates he was weakened prior to that when he came to the Schwarzwelt attempting to stop Mem Aleph's grand plan of wiping out human kind and restoring the Earth. It doesn't matter whether or not you treat the Demiurge as being a weaker aspect of the original YHVH or Great Will, my entire point here is that isn't simply because "mankind lost faith" in God that he was weakened.

>>172446648
Stop projecting your nonsense.
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>>172446475
In SJ they directly say that demiurge was defeated by the mothers. There is no reference to any other world. Killing one yhvh in one world doesn't "weaken" him in other ones. There's innumerable worlds, so if any time a yhvh dies in one it weakened all others, he'd be weak as balls due to random people killing a ton of him. Desu came before SJ and there was a yhvh in that world that was just fine. You're confusing similar plot elements existing with a continuing story. But II didn't imply anything about some future time someone would kill yhvh. You already did. Right then. Any other people who kill their own yhvh is unrelated.

Sure, some entities travel between universes. But that's not uber related either.
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>>172446810
Wait a sec
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>>172446921
I played the damn game. It's still your damn stupid headcannon.
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>>172446961
In SJ they directly state that the Demiurge was defeated by the Mothers because he was already weakened prior to entering the Schwarzwelt.

>Killing one YHVH in one world doesn't weaken him
SMT II says hello.
>There are innumerable worlds
You mean universes. And the actual term is infinite.
>If any time a YHVH dies
There's only one YHVH, he has however multiple avatars, primary one being Metatron until Demiurge is brought into the story in SJ, IV, and IV - A.
>It didn't imply anything about some future time
Why would it be the future when the events of II and III already preceded and happened before the events of Strange Journey?
>travel between universes
That's not how it works or even related to the tangent we're discussing here.

>>172447114
You've done a good job of proving you haven't.
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atlus' writing skills is on par with form soft's
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>>172447186
Yes because humans lost faith in him. He says this.

When he was weakened from their lack of faith the Mothers stormed in and kicked his shit in. It's all explained and has nothing to do with Nocturne or any other game.
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>DSJ already 70% complete
>>172447249
So shit?
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>>172446676
OK, I get what you are saying now. I agree with you saying that messiah should be used mainly by the Law side. However, I think that it is still used in that way now. Even though the term messiah has an "official" meaning now, the word messiah is still used by the Law side in the same way as before. And it's still the Law side that mainly used the word. I think that the significance of the word messiah to the Law side has not diminished just because it now has a different use.
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>>172447281
He also says he was already weakening before that because of a catastrophic event even before humankind lost faith in him via Metatron. The game has numerous direct references to events in SMT II and III.
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>>172447313
vague, shit and even they don't know what's going on, yes
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>>172446739
There was that dlc I never played. Also you never know maybe there are supplemantry jap only books or comics or some shit.
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>>172447186
>In SJ they directly state that the Demiurge was defeated by the Mothers because he was already weakened prior to entering the Schwarzwelt.

Has nothing to do with my post. What's your point? That was something that happened in SJs universe. Its not a reference to other games.

>There's only one YHVH

Nope. Every world is established to have its own iteration of any given demons. That's why they can have different personalities and power levels. The reason yhvh was nicer in overclocked and SJ than he is in II and iva is because he's simply not the literally same entity. He's a different yhvh. The worlds are obviously all separate, so building theories on something obviously false is a waste of your time.
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>>172447524
There is only one God you fedora tipping atheist.
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>>172447524
Yeah. There's a YHVH for every world just like there's a Lucifer.

>>172447612
YHVH is as much of a God as Brahman or the Star Gods of DeSu2 are.
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http://blog.hokanko-alt.com/archives/50956561.html
3DS「真・女神転生 DEEP STRANGE JOURNEY」
2017年発売予定、価格未定。ディレクター:石田栄司、新悪魔デザイン:土居政之、サウンドコンポーザー:目黒将司・小西利樹。
例の生放送PV以上の情報は…グラは3DSいイグイグ感。開発状況70%。
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3DS "Shin Megami Tensei DEEP STRANGE JOURNEY"
Scheduled to be released in 2017, price unknown. Director: Ei Ishida, Shin Devil Design: Masayuki Doi, Sound Composer: Shoji Meguro, Toshiki Konishi.
Information on more than the live broadcasting example of the example ... Gra is 3DS Iguig feeling. Development situation 70%.

How long until localisation? Will EO5 be released first?
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>>172447686
>YHVH is as much of a God as Brahman or the Star Gods of DeSu2 are.
*sigh* fucking 10 year olds.

Better enjoy life kiddo. Only Hell awaits you.
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>>172447524
>Has nothing to do with my post.
And everything to do with the topic I'm talking about, funny how that works right?
>What's your point?
What's your own one? I already made my point crystal clear here, anon.
>That was something that happened in SJ's universe.
All of the universes are interconnected with each other you dolt. The Amala Universe is infinite, all of the worlds within it are part of the same creation that span all of reality that the Kagutsuchi's overseas for the Great Will. Which you know, YHVH ranks above and is connected with as well.

Events in II and III are in different worlds yet are referenced and called back to in Strange Journey, indicating there's a correspondence of events occurring in the greater story of the series.
>Nope.
Yep.
>Every world is established having its own iteration of any given demons.
Then why does Mara and Odin for example in SJ, explicitly note past experiences in II and Nocturne which are in different worlds? That sinks your dumb theory right there.
>He's not same entity
Except he is. This is as retarded as claiming God in the Old Testament is a completely different God from that in the New Testament.
>>172447686
Wrong again. There is only one Lucifer. Nocturne even shows Lucifer can freely travel to any of the worlds in the Amala at will. He isn't bound to any single universe.
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>>172447686
>Brahman
So your rebuttal is to bring up a *god* that literally shows up in a single game and is never heard of again or referenced at all?
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>The dolphin battle in soul hackers
What absolute bullshit
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What's with all the *actions* in here
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>>172448480
Shut the fuck up you stupid Chaos loving faggot, it denotes emphasis.
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>>172448243
The Star Gods are literally God of their universe. Same for Brahman. I've heard Devil Children has its own or some such thing.

Their universes they are "God". With Fumi even capitalizing the G when she calls them such, and there was still a being higher than the Tampon and Cheese Grater called Canopus.

>>172447898
No they aren't. They are different Lucifers. IV made that clear because Lucifer is half of Satan, when Satan and Lucifer have been separate beings in other games.
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>>172443978
Whats that new demons name? The owl snake thing
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>>172448697
Amon
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>>172447850
I really really hope that Captain Jack and members of Jack's Squad get customized sprites if the game remains using 2D sprites.

>>172448645
>No they aren't.
Yes they are.

>doesn't give a rebuttal to why multiple different demons directly recall events and past experience in previous games at all

Neat.
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>>172447850
Unless Atlus wants to rewrite the entire script, Fatlus can use 80% of the DS version and translate changes and new content, I wouldn't give it more than 4-5 months.
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does "fatlus" refer to atlus usa or atlus itself
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>>172447850
So is the game remaining 3D exploration with 2D sprites or changing it to all 3D entirely?

>>172448908
It refers to Atlus in its entirety.
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>>172448771
>Amon
According to the "Dictionnaire Infernal" by Collin de Plancy, he commands forty legions of demons and carries the title of prince. Demonologists have associated his name with the Egyptian god Amun or with the god Ba‘al Hammon of Carthage. He is also an entity many looked to reconcile friends and foes, and procure love for those seeking it.

Wonder how the last part will tie into the whole game
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>>172448771
Does he bloodbend?
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>>172448950
The scans show it's still 3d explore + sprites
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>>172448973
snake owl of love and peace
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>>172448772
>doesn't give a rebuttal to why multiple different demons directly recall events and past experience in previous games at all

Just because some demons can travel to multiple worlds it doesn't mean they don't have their own counterparts in those worlds. I mean, Flynn and his demons could travel to other worlds too, does that make them singularities too that can only exist in a single world? Hardly, as SMTIVA already introduced a new timeline where a Flynn also exists.

YHVH's weakening in Strange Journey is entire explained in the game itself and makes no reference to past games, so there's no reason to assume he's related to the YHVH from Nocturne.
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>>172448772
Satan was a minion of Lucifer in Megami Tensei II when he turned on him for YHVH.

Satan was a servant of God and his enemy in Majin Tensei, SMTII, etc.

SMTI-II and the Raidou games take place in the same universe, and those are the only games directly connected.

Kaneko specifically made Lucifer to be the opposite and equal of YHVH in Nocturne as the King of the Dark to YHVH's King of the Light. He says as such in an interview. Satan is not involved because he's not important

Satan in DDS is Satan from SMTII because he reincarnated into that universe, just like the Four Archangels, Metatron, SMTII Seth who is also Satan, etc.

Mara remembering what happened in Nocturne for SJ just means she's the one that got summoned, just like the Mara that attacks Raido in Raidou 2 is from his universe, while Lucifer summons the one that serves him in the Raidou Timeline for one of his boss fights.

IV even had Belial a high ranking demon lord as different versions of him in Infernal and Tokyo. Hell even the Fiends are.
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>>172447898
>Which you know, YHVH ranks above and is connected with as well.

This is you making shit up based on placing way too much importance on parts of nocturne that you misunderstand and atlus has since ignored as being of any relevance to the larger universe. In any of the games yhvh actually appears in, he is depicted as unique to that universe. There is no meta yhvh that equally spans every world. Why do you think he gets so angry when dying? Its because to that yhvh, it was the only world of relevance.

>Then why does Mara and Odin for example in SJ, explicitly note past experiences in II and Nocturne which are in different worlds?

Because like I said there's some crossover. Individual demons can travel between worlds. Or even have information from them flow between them. That's not the same as being literally identical. The entire point of demon identity is how abstract and vague it works. You don't know how they are connected, or even what is preserved in fusion. But they are obviously distinct enough that they are not literally just one entity. Because they likewise sometimes clearly refer to one past. In Iv lucifer talks about being beaten by god one time. Because that lucifer only has the one past of dying as one fallen angel.

I'm not sure how you're too autistic to notice that in nocturne itself demons show up on different sides than they'd normally be. This shows you something about their nature, and about the world's logic breaking down as well. Hell, there can even be multiples of demons in one universe. You are shown this. So there not being in multuple universes is just bizarre.

> Lucifer can freely travel to any of the worlds in the Amala at will.

Demons being able to travel between universes is a point against you you idiot. If every lucifer was the same by definition no travel would be necessary. Travel is possible because they simply aren't all the same beings.
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>>172449234
Nothing ever was mentioned of travel at all as an ability of said demons. Nice head canon tripe your making up though.
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>>172449234
Hell YHVH's Universe had a specific plot point YHVH's mass produced angels including Metatron. It's why Mastema from IV never showing up still bugs the fuck out of me because the random encounters means YHVH mass produced him.

Even in IV you fight two different Kazfiels. One for the Navarre sidequest and another in Purgatorium. Even have different VA's.
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>>172446810
I recognise that bulge!!
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>>172448772
>>doesn't give a rebuttal to why multiple different demons directly recall events and past experience in previous games at all

I don't get how you're too autistic to realize that the entire point is the ambiguity of the connection. How demons even work is meant to be ambiguous. All humans know for sure is their tangible presence in their world. SJ used sciencey buzzwords to explain how complicated the demon world is, especially outside of the tangible human spaces. And you have issues like two demons fusing into a new one and taking on its identity. Different incarnations of entities, like when krishna gives you the power to make a new krishna. The entire thing is meant to show just how abstract identity, and the hidden truths of reality are. Some degree of connection exists in a subtle way between worlds. But the entities as they are are mainly just in the one place at a time.
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>voiced Goddess Mara
Please Atlus.
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>>172449301
Both Loki and Kartikeya are even mentioned to have traveled from their worlds of origin in IV sidequests to reside in Infernal Tokyo. Parvati is worried about her kids while Heimdall wants Loki tracked down.
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>>172449507
Yhvh's universe didn't have mass produced angels. Only metatron was mass produced. The other angels were all "illusions created by yhvh's ability to tap into your observations" or whatever the fuck that means. The other angels weren't real entities. They were just a way to show how powerful yhvh was. That he no longer even needed other entities, since his weird power in itself is an army.
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>>172449380
>Nothing ever was mentioned of travel at all as an ability of said demons. Nice head canon tripe your making up though.

I'm not following your argument there. Are you sure you meant to reply to me? You're the one arguing that demons like YHVH and Lucifer are unique and every time they appear in different games taking place in different universes it's always the same demon, right?

Because if you aren't the one arguing that, I don't think we disagree.
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>>172449943
Those were the A.'s. The A were the ones that were illusions. It included Fallen Angels too. Same for A. Lucifer and A. Merkabah.

The final two parts of it had Angels and only angels as enemies. Not A.
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>>172449560
I don't get how you're too stupid to realize the entire point is that there is no ambiguity of said connections. How demons understand and directly show they can recall past experiences, events, and interactions is not ambiguous in the least. You know why? Because their the same fucking demons who experienced them in the first place, you shit-eating retard troglodyte.

>>172450072
>YHVH
>demon
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>>172450096
Not sure where you got this idea from, but there was no disconnect between the different branes on this front. You can't recruit any angels there because they are all illusions except metatron.
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>>172445912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbexOeoH5hg
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>>172450259
Because some enemies can refuse you. Just like you can't recruit any of the Heralds you fight during Armageddon on the world map.

Israfel, Lailah, and Victor show up as random encounters during it.

And the game literally tells you the distinction. If it has an A. in it's name then it's an illusion. If it doesn't it's real.
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>>172450228
Yes. YHVH is a demon. A demon who got to where he is by worship or becoming the Creator God like in IV's universe.
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>>172450228
Because you are not smart enough to see the big picture and so latch on to one point instead of looking at it? Some demons retaining memories =/= them all being the same. Doubly so when there are very obviously demons who don't retain memories as well. You are trying to look for a simple answer to something that is deliberately ambiguous.

Are you literally autistic enough to suggest nyx in nocturne is the same nyx in persona 3?
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>>172450696
Nah. The only person in this thread who is below the intelligence necessary to even understand basic concepts in these games is you. All of the demons have shown this ability thus far, there has not been a single occurrence that would indicate otherwise.

So do us all a favor and fuck off, you piss-ant.
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Kill your father, girl!
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O-hey what's going on in this thread---

>another autistic lore argument
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>>172450847
I'll take you on a visual quest.
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>>172451043
Better this then Waifu wars
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>>172450559
Except that the entities there don't refuse you. They don't talk at all. Because they are illusions. The As actually only show up for fallens. Not regular angels. So your theory is mistaken to begin with. There is no implication of any real entities being there besides metatron. Yhvh secludes himself deliberately. This entire concept comes from kabbalah and the concept of distinct worlds. Nobody sees god. In kabbalah all interaction between god and literally everything else goes through metatron. Here they expand this to satan for plot reasons.

Yhvh secluding himself is more obvious since you're meant to realize that merkabah didn't know that yhvh was behind lucifer's rebellion all along. Because him and the angels simply don't really have a close interaction with yhvh.
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>>172446810
Knowing how many degenerate and /d/eviant anons there are in /smtg/ I wouldn't be surprised if most of you fuckers would be happy if it was revealed Alex is a newhalf or a futa.
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>>172450821
Are you trolling on purpose at this point? You were proven wrong but ignored the examples.
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>>172395159
Good thing Space Marine exists
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>>172451367
Are you intentionally being this obstinate or literally lack the neurons to go beyond what is a simple concept that you fail at understanding? You were proven wrong but ignored every evidence and example put before you.
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Which SMT protagonist has the biggest dick?
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>>172450821
Jarinjove / beltanecrisis, please remove yourself from this general posthaste.
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>>172451536
aleph either had no dick or the biggest dick
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>>172451536
Space Marine is the only non-Nip and therefore has the biggest dick by default.
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>>172451636
>Jarinjove
>beltanecrisis
Literally who

Also remove yourself from this life right now.
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>>172451231
You can get money from the Angels in YHVH's Universe and they complain about it. The A.'s don't complain. Mastema, Kazfiel who IV confirms there are multiples of, Seraph who is also confirmed to be one of many but they only summoned one in IV, etc. are all numerous actual angels.

The Law aligned forces in Purgatorium refused to talk with you to unless you did enough damage that they try to beg for their life.
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>smt will never top persona
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>>172451536
Space Marine > Demi-Fiend = Aleph

Neither Flynn nor Nanashi(t) have dicks or at best extremely tiny ones even by Nip standards, both are better served acting as a cock-sleeves for more powerful men and demons
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>>172451231
>As actually only show up for Fallens
No they don't. Second Brane consists of Divine Race demons named A.

Third Brane onwards they are all real angels including the highest leveled Divine Angel. Low ranked Angel appears as A. in the Second Brane.
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>>172451523

No one is saying that there are no connections at all between different universes. The same demons can appear in more than one universe.

However, the examples mentioned above (like Lucifer being just a YHVH creation set up to lose in Apocalypse's universe and a fragment of Satan, with a "true form" completely different looking from the form he showed in other games) clearly show that there are multiple of these demons too. The issue with your argument (these demons are always the same!) is that a single example against it breaks that, while the opposite isn't true, since no one is saying that there's no crossover between different universes.
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>>172451887
>Persona will never exist if not for SMT
>Having a DS/3DS is basically a glorified MegaTen simulator
I'm okay with this:

>Devil Survivor 1 (2008)
>Strange Journey (2009)
>Devil Survivor 1: Overclocked (2011)
>Devil Survivor 2 (2012)
>Soul Hackers (2013)
>Persona Q (2014)
>SMT IV (2014)
>Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker (2015)
>SMT IV - Apocalypse (2016)
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>>172451972
Huh. You're right. That's wierd. I mean, if metatron is allowed there a few other specific top level angels being there makes sense. The crossover is weird though.
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>>172447313
Has Atlus ever announced a game that wasn't beyond 50% complete?
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>>172452747
>crossover is weird though
It is.
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>>172448787
They're gonna have to go through all the text again anyway
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>>172452797
Persona 5
Technically HD project.
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>>172453435
>>172452797
What is the likelihood that DSJ will be delayed as repeatedly as P5 was?
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>>172451234
There is literally nothing wrong with feminine penises.
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>>172453550
Barely, if it at all. They've gotten the game to run in IV's engine.
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>>172453550
If for dual audio - I fucking wish.
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So I'm replaying Persona 4 and I'm stuck at the Minotaur. Can someone help? I dont remember this part.
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Do you think passwords for demons will return? I can totally imagine anons exchanging codes of their bros and waifus.
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>>172454435
I can see demon codes being replaced by a streetpass system similar to the one IVA has.
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>>172445814
we are upset new yukiko/marie is showing up in SJ a scifi demon summoning up
we are upset >not adding enough is demons that already exist
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>>172454531
>Can't password Hot Mexican Demon Junpei or Momma Aleph into my party.
>No Memu Arefu with all her skills that you can use with super high stats.
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>>172454926
You know Maria in the images looks like she's in the final sector for one. Maybe replaces a boss there.
If we get Lucifer involved in new content, maybe we'll get the Bug in plot too
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>>172446810
Perfect.
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>SMTIV, SMTIV:A, and Soul Hackers all have streetpass
>When no one even fucking plays them
Over 80 hours in each version of SMTIV and a decent amount in soul hackers while traveling and not a single streetpass
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>>172455107
that's Bootes you nigger
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>>172455354
US is too big while Nippon was just right.

Reminds me the same for Puzzles and Dragons.
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>>172454304
just kill walter and don't cast agi-

oh wait.
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>>172454531
I love streetpass, but I hope they don't totally gut the codes. They were very helpful for cherrypicking your best demon party.
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>>172455396
I be damned then.
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>>172455697
I believe Kankeo said that the codes were there instead of online sharing because it would be easier to get codes to people through forums. If they have the same mentality of trying to get demons to as many people as possible, they will likely use QR codes. That would be something I'd love to see.
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>>172456801
QR codes would be vastly preferable to entering a thirty digit code and then having to enter it again because you mistook a lowercase L for a 1.
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>this kills SMT
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>>172458915
shut up, the rest of the game is ok and you know it
stop posting that webm every thread
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>>172458915
It's a Persona game, not SMT. If Deep Strange Journey ends up being shit, that's when I'd worry.
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>>172456801
Yeah, I remember reading something like the codes would still be usable long after the game wasn't popular anymore, which ties in with what you mentioned. And yeah, >>172458792
I agree whole-heartedly. During my play-through of SJ last year, the code-entry was fucking brutal, but necessary,
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>>172458915
>Atlus USA fucked up the text
Why? that style.
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>>172459249
>i-its okay when Persona does it!!
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>>172458915
What's with japan's recent obsession with fast food?
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>>172458915
>we wuz mainline 'n' guns 'n' demons and shiet

Thanks for the fuel, I guess. Now /pg/ shiters will finally fuck off with their mainline baits for good.

To think that somebody will hate on #FE while defending this, freaking kekus.
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>>172458915
That's literally the only boss (except human ones) in the game that hasn't its design based on a demon because it's supposed to reppresent some chidish man who is the boss of a fast food chain
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>>172459779
Sure buddy, I totally forgot when Asmodeus looked like trash-tier Disney villain.
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>>172458915
You know that's inside of people's minds?
Iirc you're in the Ronald McBigbang's at that ooint
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>>172459740
But that's like judging the entirety of SMT II for that one gif where everyone dances and the entirety of SMT IV for that one moment in wich Walter goes crazy and has to tell everyone he's scared of fish.
Or everything in wich Mara has dialogue.
I don't even like Persona, but don't be that anon.
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>Go to SMT general
>People are talking about Persona
???
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>>172458915
>the evil american food is what killed the glorious nihongo protagonists
I feel so triggered right now that I'm literally shaking.
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>>172460387
>Go to SMT general
>People are talking about an SMT spinoff
Woah.
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>>172460387
Megami Tensei General wouldn't sound as cool.
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>>172460387
LET ME SLEEP PLEASE
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>>172460387
>>172460558
Why did we split up the generals anyway? Was there a reason for it or did it just turn out that way.
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>>172461345
We're too hardcore for them.
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>>172459956
Instead he was a poor man's Tokushit villain.
>>172461345
>implying salty overlooked /smtg/ and waifufag /pg/ will get along now
Why they did it, seems for the better now.
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>>172440748
Is that Press Turn?
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>>172461521
>Tokushit
Get out, underage.
Go play your edgy Looney Tunes or something.
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>>172459956
Yes, and Raphael has a lance, Cerberus is a lion, Nordic gods are purple naked men, God looks like an ogre etc but they're kind of fine even if they aren't like people imagine them in the end, you know? Metraton is not traditionally a robot with only two eyes, but by looking at him, but by looking at him in smt you can tell he's supposed to be a special angel different from all the other ones.

Except for Mara, he's just a pun. Fuck Mara.
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>>172296836
I'm having trouble killing god.
I'm lv 99:debilitate,awakened power,arts,charge,dekaja,dekunda,luster
I have shiva : charge, arts, drain phy, high damge, second strongest gun attack
krishna: combat tara, salvation, ziodyne, deadly wind,dark drain, his two debuff skills,
maiterya:concentrate, strong almighty attack, charge, margon, cold world
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>>172461738
Looks like encounter meter to me.
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>>172461345
So people that only wants to talk about bullying Fuuka or licking Chie's feet can have their own place (plus discussing non-jrpg spin offs, but who does that?). Remeber that no one ever talks about the games themselves in the /pg/ general.
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Do any of you think that SMT HD will use the same all-button battle layout from P5 instead of the classic menu from previous games?
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>>172462197
Unlikely.
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>>172462197
An all button layout would be horrible for SMT. How would you have the ability to swap demons, use a skill, use an item, pass your turn, and flee with an all button layout?
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>>172461828
None of those looks trivialized to the children weak and exaggerated mindset. Add serious megaten designs being mashed with this kind of garbage within one game here and you'll get it why Persona always was considered as inconsistent clusterfuck that nobody here would bring up for serious discussion

>We wuz shadows oh wait we're personas now, holup a sec we're demons now

That's the biggest blasphemy of this shitty series.
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>>172461828
>Fuck Mara
be careful anon, he might fuck you instead
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>>172462584
Oh yeah, and there is the talk function too. It would be much easier to have a menu for all these than assigning them to buttons.
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>>172462584
>>172462732

They did exactly that in p5, fag
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>>172461856
>Strenght MC
best choice
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>>172462618
>the children weak and exaggerated mindset.
wait are you saying that kids are dumb
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>>172461856
imposing stance left him pretty toothless
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>>172462197
All-button layout was fucking horrible idea.
They literally shoehorned this shit in the game to justify party members swelling with the UI elements in the battle.

>b-but you need to do one less action in battle now!!

I spend like 10 hours to get used to this shit, its was completely worthless fucking idea to hook everything on a different buttons. You need to constantly look up at the screen with this fucking cancerous clusterfuck of the UI to not fuck things up accidentally, before you muscle memory will adapt to this shittery.

Yamai won't put this shit in V, he's not as stupid as Hackshino, who will fuck up the game for style before substance.
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>>172462618
>with such designs as the Devil Children series, Chris the Car and other movie characters comes mature consistent design
I chuckled.
>>172462584
>>172462732
P5 did it though since character swapping and persona swapping exists. If on a home console, a bumper to talk could be done.
Besides P5 uses sub menus as well.
Probably less efficent than a simple menu however.
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>>172463807
>Devil Children
Are you even trying at this point?
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>>172463898
I haven't tried at anything every since I was a wee boy, so not really.
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Is Strange Journey harder than Nocturne?
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>>172464197
Yes.
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>>172463807
>>172463898
He's not me tho
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>>172463474
Don't worry, the mainline games have always went with a more minimalist style, from the UI to the story. I really liked how in IV the bottom screen was the same as your Gauntlet screen, and how the UI seemed a bit similar to a computer. They will likely continue this trend, with the menu being a literal computer window that you can choose commands from.
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>>172464197
Dungeons are more complex, fusing a decent demon takes more effort and it's harder to build a reliable protag, so yeah.
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>>172398079
What mango is this?
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>TYRONE, YOU ARE BUT CASUAL SCUM. WHY DON'T YOU PLAY A REAL SHIN MEGOOMY TENSAY GAME, LIKE NOCTURNE OR STRANGE JOURNEY? PERSONA 4 IS A CASUALS DATING SIM THAT PANDERS TO LONELY WAIFUFAGS. VISUALS NOVELS A SHIT. I'LL BE HERE FIGHTING ANGELS IN THE NAME OF CHAOS WHILE YOU CLING TO CHEE. CAN YOU EVEN TAKE ON THE ARMIES OF Y.H.V.H. AND FIGHT IN THE NAME OF CHAOS? I BET YOU DREAM OF HOLDING CHEE'S HAND INSTEAD OF CLAIMING THE WORLD IN LUCIFER'S OWN GLORY. DO YOU EVEN DUNGEON CRAWLING? TRY NOT TO FEEL TOO BAD BUT YOUR OBJECTIVELY BEST WAIFU IN THE ENTIRE SERIES IS ACTUALLY LOUISA FERRE FROM STRANGE JOURNEY AND CHEE IS BUT A BACON AND UNPURE GIRL COMPARED TO HER. THIS IS ROG SIGNING OUT, AND REMEMBER, LET'S POSITIVE THINKING.
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>>172464397
Customisable UI interface is needed.
Base it off command line, pre-Windows ME UI, 2000's phones, bevelled, flat colours, base it off previous titles like IV, 2, etc.
Make it unlock able or purchasable.
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>>172463424
recommended demon to have that skill on?
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>>172440748
>engine from IV
Is the third stat supposed to be VIT or MAG? It doesn't look like the same kanji from IV.
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>>172465215
Boner stahp!
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>>172440748
Wait hang on did they give Zelenin bigger tits?
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wait is strange journey first person? i don't play first person games. they should really fix that. they're already so far behind the persona series as it is.
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>>172465236
anyone durable, they won't be doing much else. my shiva had it
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>>172465348
Alright, it means "body", so it's obviously VIT. Does that mean they removed MAG?
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>>172465817
Yeah, it's a first-person dungeon crawler. Maybe (though hopefully not) SJ's sequel will be like IV/Nocturne.
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>>172465348
it's "body", so VIT
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>>172465891
Wait no, I just realized the second one is MAG, SJ didn't even have DEX. Fucking hell /smtg/ I need to do my reps.
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>>172465995
>>172466086
>VIT is back
>Gun and Phys stack from the same stat
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>>172465215
They've actually done that before. This menu in SMT1 is completely based off the Japanese MS-DOS. They even have the yen symbol replace slashes just like the Japanese MS-DOS.
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>>172466496
Yeah I get SMT1's but damn if I want it to return. Especially with how interfaces change. It would add a layer of fun.
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>>172465542
Only in cutscenes.
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>>172466829
Yeah, I think it would be really cool. I personally think that they should make the COMP like a full blown computer, with music and video players, customizable UI, a camera, a wallpaper you can set, etc. It would be a great little thing to mess around with and customize to your liking.
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>>172437189
Nanashi didn't have to be Akira, that's my point. Besides, Akira didn't have to be a Messiah, either
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>>172440748
>stats can't be selected
>first-person crawling
Awwww yissssss
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>>172467879
Not being able to distribute your stats freely is a bad thing though. It doesn't bother me all that much, but it is worse than how the rest of the series handles level ups.
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>Alex is encountered already in Bootes
REEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>172468196
Also, I noticed enemies have HP bars now. I hope that can be disabled or is just an app
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he definitely looks alright in lower resolution
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>>172468845
>gun weak
JACKED
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>>172468845
look at his arm, though, that bicep
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>>172468845
I can get over the fact that Doomguy lost his cheekbones somehow, but it'll take a while for me to get used to Zoe's portrait, I've always imagined her as a stone cold bitch, not a generic anime blob.
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I hate this faggot.
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>>172446235
Holy shit that's fucking great

BUT

>Ike as Junpei
>not Hector as Junpei

Literally the broest lord in existence
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>>172446235
>Corrinmaru
>>
You'll never see it coming..........
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>>172474653
/pg/ down the road, downie.
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>>172474840
you'll see....
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>>172473817
Go prep the bull, Demon King
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>>172469732
Zoe was never a bitch though.
>>172468845
>>172469408
>>172469667
Problem with Doi is he also can't really into muscle definition like Kaneko.
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>>172478787
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>>172470386
whats this the hentai heaven discord?
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>>172365379
I don't know what you guys are talking about. I really like this new gore design.
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>>172484981
>Angel Mastema
Well played.
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>>172447850
Will any of the demons that Doi designed for SMTIV Apocalypse be in Deep Space Journey?
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>>172487953
I'd hope not.
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>>172487953
I hope so
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My friend told me this games are like pokemon but not shit and for grown-ups, is thia true?
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>>172487953
only luci
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>>172488270
No
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>>172488270
Pokemon has childish themes about hard work and forming bonds, SMT is much more esoteric
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>>172467879
>stats can't be selected

You had one chance to fix something Atlus, and you already fucked up
Strange Journey has a shittyass level up system
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>>172488252
I can honestly see Inanna joining Mem Aleph's cause to get her stomping grounds back from YHVH, and Miroku appearing in some form based off the scriptures.
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>>172488610
Please don't use Apocalypse as an example of SMT's themes. Apocalypse has it's moments, but it's garbage thematically.
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>>172488624
it's too easy to break every SMT game where you can just minmax your build
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>>172488624
Boy I can't wait for that 99 MA Space Marine
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>>172488270
They're fucking hardcore shit brutha.
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>>172487953
If Odin's redesign counts, then yes
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>>172488780
It's just as easy to break SJ you know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uir6R6PGIA
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>>172488780
then make the game harder, or make them have stat caps until you reach a certain level.
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>>172488270
they both have "monster collection" mechanics but smt fans will never admit their mature series for mature gamers can be like pokemon
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>>172488886
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>>172488985
pokemon is like smt but yeah

demi kids is like pokemon

smt came out first but there was a cash grab that somehow worked enough
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>>172488945
That's not breaking so much as just all possible experience points being distributed to one person
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>>172489003
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>>172488764
How can you call Maitreya garbage when he was one of the best things in Apocalypse? The Divine Powers were too good for the game.
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>>172488985
Anon, Megami Tensei for NES came out in 1987. Pokemon Red and Green came out for Game Boy in 1996, 9 years after the first MegaTen game and after the release of SMT1 and 2.
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>>172489003
>tfw V will be called 女神異聞録ペルソナ: 真・女神転生
Thanks Atlus
>>
>>172489387
Stop calling him Maitreya. And stop calling Polytheistic Alliance 'The Divine Powers', holy fuck.
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>>172489387
I don't think the Divine Powers were bad. They are some of the good parts of Apocalypse. I just think that the game is garbage thematically even with them.
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>>172489564
>How can you call ミロク garbage when he was one of the best things in Final? The 多神連合 were too good for the game.
Is that better anon?
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>>172489942
I cringed less, keep it up.
>>
I really liked the anarchy ending, guys.
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>>172400568
i don't know man, despite being a reincarnation of izanagi literally the only other thing special about nakajima is that he was the greatest programmer ever
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>>172490128
It felt like something that a demon would try to do. It didn't feel exactly like an ending from the previous SMT games, but it fit a lot better than the other ending and was more satisfying.
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>>172490310
There is also the fact that people regularly tell him that he would look good in girl's clothing. But that's a subject for another day.
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>>172490523
why did the author keep mentioning it? is it because nakajima is his self-insert and he wished he looked like that?
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>>172490932
I have no idea anon. It's a really strange part of the story, I have no idea why he wrote that. The novel in general has a lot of strange things, like Loki having sex with Nakajima's teacher in a digital space.
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>>172490932
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>>172440748
They should change the textures
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New thread
>>172493108
>>172493108
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