/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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Ohayou gozaimasu, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's play our best today!

>>171973316
hey this one is higher resolution than normal too

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I'm playing babbies first roguelike, hoping it would be a good cut-your-teeth kind of deal. Am I correct in assuming that I need to be able to Levitate or some shit to get those cock-tease loots over there? I've checked the commands and asked google about some sort of jump function but no dice.

>>171973495
>babbies first
that doesnt look like dcss

what are you playing anon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An_sP8yLeGg

opinions on this?

>>171973316
Drumpfkins get out
This is a Hillary-supporting general

is there any downside to using a car battery on a motor bike? also is there just a guide anywhere on half this stuff? the wikid oesnt have a whole lot of info and the FAQ pastebins just try to spoil the game

>>171973495
Curse of Yendor. It seems pretty simple compared to what I see a lot of people playing.

>tfw no snickersnee or tum tum tree

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>>171974382
>ywn have a gf who whiffles through your tulgey wood and burbles as she comes

>>171975232
rogue needs to be on 00

>>171975334
I didn't make the chart, just reposting it since it's a new thread.

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>find early randart
>it's actually great
Always such a comfy feeling

>>171974307
Not really. The car battery weighs more, but unless they actually fixed the calculations, weight doesn't really matter for anything motorized.

>>171971208
how do you proof that
where is the science and mathematics in magic and casting

>>171971985
is the berlin interpretation turing complete

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>gear up to clear a town of zombies
>equip power armor, mod up my laser gun, eat two whole beds and a dresser so I have enough power to use my bionics
>drive into town and unsheathe katana
>Slimewaifu obliterates everything that comes within range
>have to leave it to enter melee
>minutes later, a hulk punches me out of the crowd
>shortly afterward slimewaifu downs the whole crowd
>realize that I'm literally just getting in her way
>give up on making a meaningful contribution to combat and make dinner to the sound of bio-weapon fire
I for one welcome this development.
>>171974307
It's heavy so it might make your bike go marginally slower. What have you done to your bike that you need more power? You might be better off with a bigger alternator.

>>171975968
I don't get it.
What's the point of playing at that point?

>>171974918
failed normie get out
this general is for failures that shun social values not failures that accept them

>>171976092
Fun.

>>171975762
>how do you proof that
>where is the science and mathematics in magic and casting
I'm not a wizard yet (4 years more), but:
That depends on the school.
For more pure ones, you can prove by formula that a magic missile will move at specific speed, not hit any unintended target (unless the target moves faster than the missile) and not lose more than a specific % of power.

For soft magic such as transmutation, you need to statistically record each casting and analyze that. It doesn't yield certainty, only "evidence", so transmuters are (understandably) lower in hierarchy than say, conjurers.

Hexes do not really classify as magic. It's more like pseudomagic for failed wizards. Here the "theories" are barely supported and are more like ideologies that "make sense" (only to speaker and his minions).
Also, there is evidence that a non-virgin can learn to cast hexes, which would prove that it is not true magic.

>>171976217
I-
I don't understand.

>>171975232
OK.

>>171976624
That's okay, fun is subjective. I like the struggle to achieve invincibility that many roguelikes present, but I also enjoy actually being invincible once I manage it.

>lab challenge
>spawn in the armoury
>illiterate
>can't use the computer to open the doors
>punch walls for a while
>get matches from MRE, light fires
>fire does fuck all to concrete walls
>eventually commit suicide by setting fire to a bunch of bullets
>new game, lab challenge again, same traits
>spawn in the same armoury
>suicide
>third lab challenge game
>finally start in a room that isn't locked
>one move
>Electrical beams emit from the floor and slice your flesh!
Well.
I suppose that's what I get for playing a challenge game.

>>171975968
Is there a 3 int guide to blob cars? I've seen the parts in the craft list, but never tried to use them.

>>171978187
I was disappointed to discover that bullet explosions won't take out the doors or walls after finally figuring out how to ignite them safely.

>>171974307

also how the fuck do i get a perpetual source of batteries for a welder?

>>171979726
get a vehicle welding kit, which is a welder in the form of a vehicle part. you attach it to a car and run it off of the car's batteries (which you can charge with solar panels)

WHO THE FUCK MAKES A RL WITHOUT A RANDOM NAME OPTION

>>171979726
Either
>craft vehicle welding rig, which mounts to your car and runs on solar
>install a ups mod on your welder and a recharger in your car
>install integrated toolset bionic and use any of the ways to recharge bionic power
>I guess you could make a vinegar farm and craft batteries if you're going full autism

First one needs a recipe book, you can pull the recharger out of a humvee (but the ups mod is rare or needs a recipe).

>>171978204
You don't really need a guide. Have high cooking and you can make the first blob frame, and from there it's blobfeed+mutagen+time.

Here's a couple of tips: don't bother with making more than the first 250 units of blob feed you made for the first frame. You can make it from slime pits/corpse pits (found in fema camps) much more quickly and easily.

Make your car with the really durable gray stuff, because while blob parts don't really "break" conventionally, it's annoying to replace all the damaged pieces: you can only replace, not repair.

The blob-tech engine is currently broken, you'll have to fix the code if you want to use it.

Most of your blob-tech only needs to be made once, then it can be cloned infinitely. This does not include many of the guns.

Gel Generators are amazing and you should add as many of them to your car as you can. They're more reliable than solar panels, but slower.

Many of the blob-tech guns shoot explosions. This is undesirable. Gel Razors are incredibly useful and you should make lots of them: they shoot homing, bouncing, piercing, high-damage projectiles that hit several zombies at once and can kill around corners. They also use a plentiful, light, low-volume ammo (blob feed) and can be mounted to your car for funsies. The only drawback is their inability to be fired without bracing.

>>171975334
>rogue
Not a roguelike, please refrain from posting about it here.

>>171975232
Played Force of Nature, the cut-off is Chapter 3.

>>171975232
>haven't played any roguelikes in a good while
>see this list

This might be something to try out.

>>171976612
kek
I want whatever you're smoking

>spark blights shoot explosions with larger radii than it the gun's range
What kind of madman is blazemod that he thought this was a good idea?

>>171980703
AliensRL hasn't been touched in five years and ammo is still a major pain to manage as it takes a bunch to simply keep aliens off your ass.

>>171983073
It probably didn't work like that at first, but explosion formula was updated and the weapon wasn't.

>>171983249
Larn feels too plain for me.

>>171975232
page 10 roll

It's 10 p.m. east coast, 9 p.m. central. Time to go to bed, /rlg/.

>>171991550
>going to bed at 10/9c on a friday

fucken nerd

anyone know of an interview with the original rogue creator(s?) where they get their thoughts on the current state of rls?

>>171992360
roguelike celebration 2016

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Best trait or best trait?

>>171993292
Does Gourmand still make drugs and alcohol give you a million happiness at all times?

>>171993292
>>171993569
don't forget to stack those with optimist for the multiplier
also bring your mp3 player

>>171993569
Yeah, but it doesn't give you 20 morale for wearing catgirl cosplay, a firefighter belt (?) and four hats.

Gotta have some priorities.

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>>171992859

>roguelike
>celebration

>>171993913
As far as I remember the dumb final result of stylish was just wearing 2 copies of every different type of ring or earring or necklace or other jewelry item in the game. Every single one of them is worth +1 morale and none of them have any encumbrance penalty so you end up running around constantly ecstatic about how you're blinging the fuck out with 100 gold rings.

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>>171995725
it was some random event hosted by some random guy
and yeah some of the original Rogue devs were there
IIRC all of the talks were put up on youtube somewhere

>>171996048
some talks were pretty interesting
I remember the Rogue, Nethack and Brogue ones
and DCSS

>>171996048
Actually quite the line-up of rl devs.

>>171996048
I still have never played ADOM. I feel bad about it.

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>>171993292
While we're talking about dumb things, pic-related.
>rivtech has some kind of anti-tampering field that prevents you from altering it in any way without the proper anti-memetics

>>171997121
Brogue dev and Toady were by far the best speakers. The Angband talk was a fucking disaster.

>>171998847
perfect

those talks are all uploaded at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsCqXksJuAkfZRtnW5Pq1mw
btw

>>172000515
danke, I missed the talks and I could not find them by google so I had given up

>>171996048
ADOM dev looks like a murderer.

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I am going to drink a lot of atomic coffee then try to install this. Never realized that banks actually had useful stuff in their vaults before today.

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>>172000757
>AND probability travel AND a fusion gun
This vault is a gift that keeps on giving. I am definitely going to check all the banks I see from now on.

>>171998847
>The Angband talk was a fucking disaster.
what was wrong

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And done! Secret tech: Blood-Filter+alcohol means that you can safely boost your morale to insane levels very quickly.

>>172001017
The fuck is a fractal snake?

>>172001934
An artifact. Gives me bad weather and protection from gaze attacks, not that I've seen a single eye in 1.5 ingame years.

>>172001590
They spent all their time talking about the history of who maintained Angband instead of talking about the game and ran out of time to say anything interesting.

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when was the last time you fisted a wild animal, arelgee?

I killed the god sleeping inside Eyal today and all it took was to overtake the body of some mediocre demon guy.

Well, I foolishly pursued a land war in Asia today. Hopefully my roguelike excursions don't involve such wanton loss of life.

>>171973626
Looks like some tryhard indiefag making a game from a genre he gives no fucks about or even plays.

>>172006373
?

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>>171976612

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>>172008084
like this, but fighting over worthless Siberian and Kazakh clay

>>171980252
>they shoot homing, bouncing, piercing, high-damage projectiles
Holy fuck

>>172010509
sweetie, your posting in the wrong general. I believe your looking for /gsg/, hun.

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>>172011010
point me to the line in the berlin inerpretation where it says "europa universalis is not a rogue like"

>>171996048
Toady One looks cute in this.

Who's the guy with the red shirt and purple hair? I've seen him before, hosting roguelike conferences, but I've always been so distracted by what a twat he looks like I never learned what it is he does.

>>172011140
>taking the berlin interpretation seriously, along with posting anime
honeymuffin, I really don't think you belong here.

>>171975232
Ok

>>172011638

>not taking the berlin interpretation seriously

Not him but no, YOU are the one who doesn't belong here.

>honeymuffin

>>>/lgbt/

>sweetieposting in /rlg/
Shan't be responding to you any further.

I Like sweetieposting
I also like tumrubs and earscritches and headpats
I'm not awoo though

>>172013020
I wish I were awoo

now there's someone who knows how to have a good time

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>this is what has become of /rlg/
Maud didn't die for this. Perhaps it was us who should have been forgotten, another place lost to the abyss.

What roguelike will make me happiest?

>>171993834
Also take Cannibal. Not only is there the morale boost for indulging your hunger, but the trait mitigates the depression from killing "innocents".

>>172015414
>playing with npcs
Its like you want to be gunned down in your sleep.

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>>172015039
>being a roguelike utilitarian
how about which roguelike is objectively morally correct
the answer is any vegan roguelike that allows pacifist conduct, since no harm is done to others and because veganism is a sustainable way of life

>>172015478
You obviously switch your decision because you have higher chance of choosing the 1 person lane that way

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>>172015478
>implying utilitarianism isn't morally correct
>implying roguelike virtue ethics
It is the consequences of your veganism that determine whether it is the right thing to do, not your motivations for it.

>>172015551
what about this then

>>172015867
What about it?

>>172015867
Hmm really makes me think. If Socrates is allowed to lie why wouldn't leverman be allowed to lie about how he will pull the lever? The assumption that leverman is telling the truth only leads to a paradox which doesn't exist in reality.

>>172015478
I'll let the trolley kills 5 men for max free xp.

>>172006469
It's actually just a Unity demo game, made in order to show you how to create shit in Unity.

>>171975232
Ok.

>>171975232
lmao dead genre

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>>172018747
Of course. Being dead is one of the most important qualities of a roguelike. All the not-dead ones are shit, and probably not roguelikes.

>>172019683
Rogue is dead, so how can something be Roguelike if it's not also dead?

>>172019683
>All the not-dead ones are shit
The non-dead ones are the ones who were the least shit of the bunch.
All the ones that don't get regular updates are much shittier than the ones that do.

Question about ToME4. What the fuck is the formula for the Accuracy vs Defense roll? For all I know you could need +30 defense to beat an enemies attack roll.

I always die in 300-400 ft in Sil. What's the recommended skilling for a normal meleeguy with 5 perception but no songs or stealth? I prefer to get Finesse --> Dodging --> Sprinting -->Focused Attack and branch to other skills afterwards depending if I found a nice spear or a greatsword, is this correct?

>>172020454

5 grace*

>>172011530
judging by the sign that says "Host" above his head I assume he's an attention whoring twat

>>172020143
Personally I like to defend myself from TOME by not playing it

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>>172015039
Clearly PCB!

>Getting disenchanted now can cause an infinite loop

oh boy I have screwed the pooch bad this time. Pushing update in some time.

poschengband crashes when I try to open a save (made with ^X), send help

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>>172010679
One shot.

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>>172026373
And here it is aiming around corners. I kove this gun.

>>172025929
to be more specific, it doesn't say "stopped working", pcb just closes after I select save file to open

>>172026831
if you have multiple versions of poschengband installed make sure it's opening the save file from the right version

>>172027020
I have only one version, in which the save was made

>>172027180
6.0 has a gamebreaking bug whenever you try to load a save

>>172027262
I'll try earlier version, then. An hour lost, but oh well.

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>>172027334
>An hour lost
More like a lifetime

>>172027391
I disagree

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>no more stairdancing wargs in pcb
I found this out the hard way.

Okay, how do you set up windows in poschengbutt? I can get the windows to show up but I can't figure out how to put anything in them.

>>172028336
Read the stick- whoops wrong board

Read the pastebin.

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>you fall down a shaft for three (3) floors!

Are mechanical numpads conducive or obstructive to playing roguelikes?

>>172029121
literally the only exciting thing about dcss besides chaos knight

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I have cleared coffeebreak 3 times so far.
Perhaps the game is too easy, after all.

But still, dunno about the deathsword changes. It is still unbalanced. You flounder around first half of game and are death incarnate last half. The amulet, while giving some freedom, feels kinda overdoing it. They are fine in later game.

... Also, on the name of the amulet, I added it to the list of shitty artifact names, but it cropped up on that good amulet. Now if feels really shitty.

>>171973237
During Crawl early game, is AC better than EV?

>>172032162
>The amulet, while giving some freedom, feels kinda overdoing it

I don't know man, your melee kinda sucks for something that's supposed to be only about melee.

>>172032405
give us your numbers

>>172032405
The rule of thumb i've heard is that keeping AC approxiately the same as EV is optimal in most situations, though that could be BS it works for me.

Obviously it depends on what build you are going for too.

>>172032405
Depends on race/background a lot, post your log

>>171973495
Is that Nethack

Well I assuma you have to levitate to get there, yes, unless you can jump, knights in Nethack can jump, and if you get boots of jumping everyone can jump, and farther too.

>>172035297
>Is that Nethack
aaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>171975968
How the hell did you manage to get your stats so high

>>172035380
He's using scumthroughskills.

>>172035380
Single pool, minmaxing, a couple mutations, and statsthroughskills.
>>172035480
No bulli.

>>172035543
Why don't you just play freeform and give yourself 99 stats

>>172035598
Breaking the spirit of the rules while technically following them to the letter is fun. Blatant cheating is not.

>>172035758
Freeform isn't cheating any more than using incredibly overpowered mods

>>172035758
>literally cheating is different from actually cheating
spotted the pudding farmer

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This is hard, can't even win in ezmode :(

>>172036246
Yeah, pretty much

>>172036246
Yep, Sil's hard as balls.
Like IA.
And like IA it still hasn't updated after a year.

>>172035906
I disagree. Also, statsthroughskills has been nerfed relatively hard since the last time you looked at it, I suspect.
>>172035978
Actually I farm guards in bank vaults.

>>172036645
>Actually I farm guards in bank vaults.

I have a patent on that secret tech, you know

>>172036732
Free use

>>172036854
Free use my ass

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>>172036975

>>172036975
Free use is free as in "freedom"
Your as is free as in "free beer"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_libre
Until one can change your ass how he wishes and share it with his friends, your ass will not be free.

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>>172037092

>>172036975
I mean if you really want me to...

>>172020454
depends on who your playing, but in general it's better to pump your melee and evasion at lower depths and to get abilities later on. Personally I like flanking and dodging since they syngergize and lets' you keep moving to avoid getting surrounded in open rooms

Isn't the problem with statsthroughskills that you can get incredibly high stats with no limit?

>>172035380
Another way you could get stats that high legit is the prime muts + bionics, think you'd end up with 18 in every stat at a max.

>>172032803
It's pretty good damage, plus they are still good at devices etc.
I have thought about restructuring essences, though.
Like merging VORPAL1 and VORPAL2, and making so VORPAL2 2nd rank. VORPAL2 from weapons could give +4 essences. So it would be 16 essences for VORPAL1 as deathscythe, 64/96 or something for VORPAL2.
Earthquake-essences could give an ability to cause earthquakes...
And generally adjust values. Dark and Chaos resists are bloody easy to get, so might increase the amount of essences needed.

Gotta think about the stuff. I probably will reverse my disenchantment changes mostly, though. It's bit too frustrating to lose rare essences ( while this does happen in old game and is sorta rare, there might be probably more elegant way to do it )

>>172037597
It's more like you get huge stats with no real investment except grind.

>>172037597
I fail to see how that is a problem.

>>172037741
You can't remove The Amy's code!
She worked so hard on it!

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>>172037597
I think that conception was from an old iteration, where you got +1 stat per 3 levels of a skill.

Nowadays it's much less than that, though I suppose that you could grind infinitely for infinite stats still.
>>172038070
C:DDA is only grind.

>>172038071
>I fail to see how that is a problem.

Why have stats at all if you can grind them up that easy? Might as well go full Bethesda and just do away with the stats entirely and run off skills.

>>172038338
>C:DDA is only grind.

With skill rust off, sure.

>>172038382
>Why have stats at all if you can grind them up that easy?
>>172035758

>>172038071
Well, it makes sense that you get stronger if you do exercise, but there should be a limit, humans can't just keep getting stronger and stronger, they will reach a peak eventually. There should be a limit, like, for example, the max stat you can reach would be your starting strength stat+5, so if you start with 10 strength your max would be 15, without counting CBM and mutations.

It would also make sense that you lose stats if you don't do any activities that use those stats.

>>172038467
>With skill rust off, sure.
How does extra grind make the game less grindy?

>>172038689
it gives grind a reason to exist.

>>172038338
>C:DDA is only grind.
On easy mode yes. Outside it, no.
>>172038467
>With skill rust off, sure.
Skill rust is only grind.

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>>172038249

>>172038825
>On easy mode
?

What's the best use for an early scroll of acquirement on Crawl, weapon?

>>172039112
Acquire better taste so you're motivated to play a better game.
armor

>>172039112
I prefer jewelry

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>>172039112
ALWAYS
ACQUIRE
ARMOUR

>>172039112
Regret.

>>172038906
Singlepool+statsthroughskills is ezmodo with grind.
You become invincible by the second day, ascend to godhood by third, by the end of the week you murder jewish/christian/muslim "capital G God", then you complain that things are too easy when you picked easiest of modes.

You never need to make any sort of tradeoffs like strength (bashing damage) vs. dexterity (dodge, hulk smash resistance) vs. perception (ranged).

Where is the rougelite general? Direct me to it and I will be on my way.
Yes, I did use the search feature.

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PCB draws you in with the allure of a ton of races and classes but in reality 80% of them are dogshit. Don't fall for it like I did.

>>172039604
/indie/ is /lite/ now

>>172039604
>rouge
Every time.
Anyway, I think they died a while ago and merged with the indie general.

>>172039573
So singlepool is medium mode

Then what is hardmode? multipool?

>>172039573
Even the purest of vanilla cdda has heavy armor, and that too makes you invincible.

>>172039887
>Then what is hardmode?
Sudoku.

>>172039701
There's only one guy that plays PCB nowadays

>>172039604
Here >>171956298

>people start coming to /rlg/ and posting roguelites
>get told to fuck off and make their own general
>/lite/ is created and goes three times faster than /rlg/
>slows down after a few weeks
>dies
>people start coming to /rlg/ and posting roguelites

i think we've been through this cycle at least three times by now

>>172040025

Hmm but where are the rogueli--

>DDA posting

oh

>>172039973
Just resistant.
Having 15 in all stats means much more than heavy armor, because you also get damage output to kill shit that bypasses armor.

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>>172039701
I don't care about most classes, just want to see how far my mindflayer mage will go. Blue mage didn't fly so good.

>>172040025
And we've become exceedingly efficient atit.

>>172040196
There are not enough roguelikes with girls that have breasts so big that you can see them from behind.

>>172040025
>>172040149
Without roguelites, /rlg/ would be dead.
Every """roguelike""" is actually a roguelite because it's modal.

>>172040338
If roguelikes are not roguelikes, and Rogue isn't a roguelike

What is a roguelike?

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>>172040334
sad but true

>>172040338
Actually no because Roguelikes don't have to be modal

>>172040459
A miserable little pile of faults. But enough talk... have at you!

>>172040459
Something like a roguelite, like Brogue, DDA, Sil, Nethack, DCSS or ADoM, but non-modal.
No such thing exists, so we only play almost-roguelikes like ones above.

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>>172040573
good one

>>172040573
Could Castlevania be, in a way, considered a partial roguelike?

>>172040696
No, it's modal.

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>>172040753
YOU'RE MODAL

>>172040868
I'm not trying to be like rogue, though.

>>172041006
>not a pony
mmmmmmmmh I'm not sure about that anon, that shade of pink reminds me of ponies...

>>172041072
That's clearly not a pony
it even says so
you see ponies everywhere anon

>>172041006
/rlg/ needs some shitposting once in a while. Otherwise it creeps in in regular posts.
Having it happen in bursts, in shitpost orgies, makes it happen less frequently outside them.

/rlg/ is like a penis - the only way to keep it under control is to choke it once a while and let it make a mess.
Or to have it contact another person, but if that was an option, it wouldn't be /rlg/.

>>172041407
at least we still have tum tum

>>172027878
does the killcount reset or something?

>>172028336
press =W

>>172041704
Yes, brother. The tumtum tree's fruit have finally ripened.

>>172037741
Getting earthquake brand on deathsword would be extremely annoying unless you had some way to toggle it on and off.

Though with 11d10 endgame dice it would also be really amazing for stunning shit.

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death #3

didn't even make it out of town this time

>>172040164
>shit that bypasses armor
>feral predators
>bullets
>hulk/brute throws
How does +3 Strength make it possible to deal with them if you couldn't before?

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>>172041704

>>172040334
noxico, probably

>>172042108
Not just +3 strength, but also +3 dexterity and +3 perception.
And that's with sts with no single pool. With single pool, you get +9/+11 (depending on which """challenge""" you pick) total stat points over multipool.

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>>172041006
if you like ponies you are cleary a paedophile
but if you really are a paedophile, why don't you appreciate japanese animes?

i just dont understand

>>172029672
anyone?

>>172041732
>does the killcount reset or something?
Whenever you leave the floor it counts as quitting the quest now.

>>172042459
Oh hey. I read that comic.

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>>172029672
>>172042463

mechanical keyboards will not make you any better or worse at playing vidya for the most part, they will just make you happier while playing (if you're into that kind of thing i guess)
especially in turn-based games like roguelikes, where your input method doesn't really matter at all in the end
that said, stop playing with numpad and learn vi-keys you shitter

>>172042630
There is literally nothing wrong with using the numpad

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>>172042731

there is literally nothing wrong with removing food

>>172043140
There is literally nothing wrong with turning roguelikes into roguelikes, true, but then you should not post said game in this thread.

>>172043379
i assume you meant "turning roguelites into roguelikes"

but while cr*wl would become a better game after such a removal, it would still nevertheless still be a rouge lite

>>172043515
*tips shitpost*

>>172042630
I will not learn vi-keys

>>172032405
Depends.

Ultimately, you want high defenses, and that may not mean "AC ~= EV".

Looking at the gameplay of a speedrunner (4thArraOfDagon), he'd put on a large shield (on a Formicid, mind you) if he had early access to it simply because it'd be a huge boost in SH for no Shield skill. Of course, it'd mess with his EV even with high strength, but it'd ultimately be worth the penalty.

I'm not an expert at Crawl's defense system, but what I've seen suggests:
1) SH potentially blocks attacks, especially weak ones, based on how much damage the attack does vs your SH value (more or less)
2) Then EV potentially lets you evade attacks entirely, based on the attack's accuracy vs your EV
3) And finally AC shaves damage off the attack if SH/EV failed to avoid damage. This might reduce the damage to 0 (commonly the case when fighting high AC enemies while you use low base damage weapons, where you can't seem to do any damage to them). More importantly, many types of armour have guaranteed damage reduction, so that even if SH, EV, and your AC roll manage to let a fully-powered attack through, you'll still reduce the damage taken by a stable percent.

A turncount speedrunner will usually prefer SH and EV since they can avoid damage entirely -- as many people know, healing is probably the single most time-consuming part of playing Crawl (and most other roguelikes). A regular player will usually want relatively equal amounts of each, although AC might be more desirable due to its guaranteed nature of defense.

>>171996048
>Toady and some autistic sperglords
Crawl dev looks exactly as retarded as I'd always imagined.

Ring mail or plate

>>172044770
>1) SH potentially blocks attacks, especially weak ones, based on how much damage the attack does vs your SH value (more or less)
wrong
SH is effectively just a second EV roll except slightly shittier in many situations and better in some others (OoD)

also "guaranteed damage reduction" only applies to enemy melee attacks, not spells, and is nowhere near important or relevant to your decision about which armor to wear

>>172041704

no it's only a tumtum if I can peeeench it

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>>172042042
death #4

paladin utility spells make this much less frustrating

>>172045298
what *band are you playin, anon?

>>172045298
I wonder if dwarven priests are as strong as they are in Angband

>>172045403
it definitely doesn't say in the screenshot

>>172041407
Shakespeare couldn't have said it better

>>172044770
thanks for the writeup

>>172045403
rolled moria on the d100 chart, but umoria is the only functioning port available

>>172045420
there's no reason not to play a priest class since moria doesn't use the blows-per-round system

>>172039701
Better that 80% be dogshit than 80% be literally identical qua crawl

>>172048214
you dont understand high elvs are totally uniqe and interesting race

>>172040196
>her poor back

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:(

>>172050226
30 free K
A potion of experience is literally just a single wyrm of xp

>>172036246
EDAIN DIVER PACIFIST
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D
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also read the manual

>>172048723

Yea... probably mor uniqe than humans though LOL

>>172038675
even beanpoles and women can get stronger than "starting strength plus five"
training regimen, diet, and sleep matter more than starting point in terms of "strength cap"
also mod in various injectable anabolic steroids and to massively speed up recovery time and get fuckhuge
not sure why there's so much fucking redundant useless trash in DDA yet no steroids

>>172039112
gold
literally

>>172051214
>not sure why there's so much fucking redundant useless trash in DDA yet no steroids
Maybe because that's a shitty idea.

>>172043013
I love Weaver

>>172051561
>using drugs to positively affect your performance is alright
>but using drugs to positively affect your performance is right out
???

>>172051561
fucking cosplaying crossdressing furfag
mininuke yourself

>>172053132
>drugs as temporary potions of strength are the same as drugs for permanent stat boosts

So is it proven that in UnReal World that in the north there are more animals to hunt than in say, Driik? Or does it just feel that way for me? I remember catching like a gorrilion elk by day 3 in the Owl Tribe lands, whereas it usually takes a few weeks in Driik land to have a good stockpile of dried meat.

>>172020143
If only it showed up on some sort of search engine results.

50% chance if the values are matched, 2.5% change per point if they're different. Saves work the same way.

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Being a jew always pays off

>>172053483
Are there actually "drugs as temporary potions of strength?"

I've only been able to increase Strength through adrenaline, moderate amounts of alcohol, and high morale.

That said, mutagens do provide permanent effects. You can even tailor the mutagens so they're more reliable. What's so wrong about other drugs that have similarly permanent effects?

>>172051214
default strength is 8 and 14 is supposed to be pro-athlete level, peak of human performance

>>172051214
Well that was just a way of how it can be done, I'm just saying there should be a cap so you can't reach something ridiculous like 30 str or more, and I think starting stats should affect the cap.

>>172055252
yeah logarithmic capping would make sense, even irl

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I j-just wanted a potion of self-knowledge...

>>172058593
it does that now already IIRC
early versions had linear scaling which got ridiculous pretty fast

>>172058650
dont underestimate the throwruk

In CDDA what's the most important skills to put points into?

>>172059860

The skill of playing real roguelikes which is unfortunately not available in CDDA

>>172059860
in character creation? it doesnt really matter because you can level them all over the course of normal gameplay

if you're playing split pool mode and you have some points that absolutely can't be spent on anything other than skills, just get things that will help you in the first few days rather than thinking about the long term, since in the long term you will get books etc to train those skills anyways

>>172059860
Depends on how you intend to start.
If you can hope to get chemset early on, you want enough survival and cooking to make pheromones.
If not, enough combat skills to survive and rest to whatever you want unlocks from.

>>172059860
Depends on the start, if you're in the locked lab you could put points to get 3 cooking so you can make dynamite if you find the book, you could also put points into trapping and try to disarm those teleporter traps to get a teleporter, I think with 5 is enough if you're lucky but more would be better.

>>172060119
Real roguelikes don't exist. Go back to /r/

>>172060304
This is for multipool by the way, if you're using singlepool don't put points into skills.

>>172058650
>biclops
huh?

>>171975232
aaaaaaaa

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>>172060652
it's a cyclops with 2 eyes anon
pretty simple shit

>>172060838
>it's a cyclops with 2 eyes anon
But

Isn't that just a normal person?

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>>172060906
it's not a normal person though, it's a cyclops

>>172060906
you just don't *get* it dad

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>>172060652
>>172060906
>>172061075
FFS it's not that difficult to understand

>>172060906
Normal people aren't mutated one-eyed giants with a duplicate eye.

>>172058650
What, how much did he hit for?

>>172061706
Projectiles and stabbing pole arms should have a chance to blind cyclops/biclops.

would someone please post the picture of the animu girl tucked into bed with her covers up to her chin that says "i am so happy right now"? please and thank you.

>>172040521
> muh berlin
The Berlin Interpretation is literally something thought up by Ido Yehieli, Radomir Dopieralski, Jeff Lait, Mario Donick, David Ploog, and Christopher Brandt.

Only one of them has worked on a roguelike of consequence (dpeg), and he is, afaik, only a designer, and hasn't written any code of consequence.

Seriously, if the group who dreamed up that bullshit neologism had actually included people who worked on ADOM, ToME, nethack, or Angband, maybe it would have the dim shimmer of legitimacy.

As it is, it's pretentious, overwrought, and generally useless, which is why I think dpeg wrote it and then told the others.

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>that dumb fractal snake finally was useful
I never thought I'd see the day. Didn't know Amigaras could mindblast you though.

Also, they dropped something that might not be completely useless: an artifact sword with decent stats. Very sharp, high cutting power. You might even say that it's edgy.

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>>172045298
death #5

>all stats drained by various monsters that you can't differentiate because everything is in black and white
>scrolls of recall refuse to drop and are prohibitively expensive at first, meaning you are going to be walking
>massive piles of trash comestibles that need to be sold to be ID'd, so more inventory clogging bullshit
>pseudo-ID only triggers if you have decent perception, which you probably don't
>shopkeepers are stingy

wew fucking wew

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>>172059860
I like to go with the good early game ones that are hard to train without books. First aid, mechanics, dodging is okay too.

>>172062353

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>>172061909
lots

the *bands (and tome) never quite figured out how to balance throw ruk, they're usually superpowered unerring deathmissiles

>>172060738
Not getting much fun out of Guild, feels too tedious.

>>172061864
Depends on how you look at it

>>172061706
Aaaaaaaah

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>picking it up gives -3 int
>wielding it gives elec-immunity, -20 speed, and something else, probably negative
>activating it heals me by a literally unnoticeable amount and summons a lot of hostile "shadows"
I spoke too soon.
>>172064084
Thanks

>>172064150
>11d8
Fucking

>>172064337
>>172064150
Wait, nevermind, it's just a normal person

>>172064391
reduced by AC though
the throwruk is much scarier

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Death #1, got ambushed by a mummy while trying to get my bearings.

>>172064150
>Throw Boulder (99)

why

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>>172064547
Death #2, managed to kill a giant before a ghoul paralyzed and mauled me soon after I casted Heal Light Wounds.

Is there some trick to making psions good early game? Plinking manathrust at dragons is rather slow.

>>172064847
Death #3, knight fucked my face the moment I spawned.

>>172064349
>activating it heals me by a literally unnoticeable amount and summons a lot of hostile "shadows"
Sounds exploitable.
>surround self with walls
>spam heal

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Optimist+Gourmet+Blood Filter
>tfw no pudding

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>>172064993
Forgot image

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>>172064391
>>172064482
>>172064615
Wait i just noticed that
That isnt haram at all

>>172065128
But what do you do about the addictions?

>>172065117
I like the way you think. If they're hostile to zombies, it might even be useful in combat!
>>172065603
uuhhh. I forgot about those. let's hope that one binge doesn't cripple me for days.

>>172065128
how exactly does being happy pump your strength up to superhuman levels along with giving you ESP

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>>172065603
You deal with them

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>>172065196
Here's the next seven.

>>172059860
Dodging is the best one, no contest. It's difficult to train, the books for it are relatively uncommon, and buying two points increases your survival odds significantly.

>>172065893
You're so pumped up you 150% of your effort into everything you do!
>>172065917
?
I don't understand your picture or its filename.

>>172066125
>It's difficult to train
Nowadays it isn't - after the dodging rework, it trains faster than melee.

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>>171975232
rall

>>172066097
great, now no one else has to play that garbage

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>>172063849
death #6

spent a while on the stat roller and didn't even make it out of town

desperately need to play a class with good perception since lack of pseudo-ID makes me want to neck myself

>>172064980
PCB is rather slow. Try leveling without the wilderness and it's even slower.

>>172066489
unless you roll it on the chart that is ;^)

>>172064980
be the one demigod that gets reduced sp costs on spell failures and spam 80% fail clairvoyance to scum for cool loot

>>172068686
>early game
I will do that, though.

>>172064993
>>172065196
oh look anon is not a fag today and delivers

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This is something I've never seen before. It's stocked with turrets and zombie technicians, I wonder if there're neat things here.

Death #1, using the last two digits of my last Telengard post. An overzealous young boy by the name of Timmy was violently clawed to death by a zombie.

>>171973626
This guy is fucking terrible at his own game
>>172062404
Honestly fuck dpeg he's a pretentious douche

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>>172069536
- Forgot to post image again, whoops.
Game is You Only Live Once.

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>>172069690
>You peg a zombie.

>>171973626
Is that DDA?

>Fight hand wraith
>It goes on for 20+ turns and I'm guaranteed to get NOTHING from it
FUCKING

>>172068829
it's technically a level 1 spell
just with a massive failrate that you need tons of levels and/or points in your casting stat to overcome

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Death #2 in Y.O.L.O. , the mother went to search for her missing child within the caves hidden in the valley's forest only to meet her untimely fate at the hands of a Kobold-Undead alliance.

>>172070252
new version isn't out yet breh

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>>172070696
>death by kobold

I can think of worse ways to die.

>>172071001
>not even removely doglike
that's a draconian or lizardfolk or something nigga

>>172071001
That sweater is DUMB and I HATE it

>>172071117
That's a kobold, sugarpie.
Don't let the dcss deve infect you with their lies about "tengu" and "balrugs" and "doglike kobolds".

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Death #3, the father and blacksmith of the village went to look after his missing wife and child. He had an unpleasant confrontation with kobolds that took advantage of their superior range and kited him for a bit before he eventually tricked and killed them. Dragging himself through three floors, the injured Smith came upon the secret of the caves, a Necromancer armed with a loyal group of skeletons, kobolds, zombies, and rats. Before he knew it, Kor Smith was slain. With the entire Baker family now missing, the village Elder Krall must put an end to whatever is plaguing his village.

This game is actually neat.

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>>172066762
death #7

one-shot by a priest i bumped into in a dark alley

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The Elder proved the victorious and the humble village was saved, the only sacrifices were the unfortunate members of the Baker family.

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>>172069690
>>172070696
>>172072082
>systematically leading an entire village of stupid peasants to their grisly deaths

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I thought roguelikes were supposed to be poorfag friendly?

>can't play a desktop RL because I need a GRAPHICS CARD
Fucking L O L

Also
>using Unity for a roguelike
>using Unity

>>172072494
So you won? Cool

>>172072705
maybe play some real roguelikes instead then

>>172072705
-force-opengl (I think) is the parameter I needed to run the previous version on my old linux computer.

No idea if that works for windows.

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>>172073407
Welp.

>>171975232
Rollin'.

>>172074356
zen vegan pacifist atheist gooooo

>>172070723
I'm shit at the game so I won't be able to enjoy the next version unless I git gud now. Unless the next version introduces a broken new starting build and I can use it as a crutch to get through the whole game.

The only new starting elements I recall being mentioned were dark dragon, which he has already told us is cursed slash + consume life, and a fire primary for faithful heart. What two abilities could heart have for a fire start?

>>172075108
probably something like pyre rite and bask for muh fire heals

>>172074504
Is that even possible