Dwarf Fortress General /dfg/

>>171690357
How's the 64 bits version?
It's the same game.
Performance improvements for specific bottlenecks that were limited by memory. Worldgen doesn't crash anymore. Other issues were obviously not touched.

>>171691257
First for 'post good personal stories please'

DWARF FORTRESS IS A GAME

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It was inevitable.

How long is history worldgen for most people here?
10-15 seconds per year after the first century and 2-3 hours for 1050 years is in the averages?

How do I get good at adventure mode? I made a demigod swordsdwarf and got completely and utterly BTFO by the first thing I got sent off to kill, some shitty winged night troll called a "one eyed woman."

DWARF FORTRESS IS A SIMULATION
A DATING SIMULATION
STILL IN ALPHA THO, CONTENT COMING SOON

>>171691837
You must grind skills first

>>171691837
Swim under a bridge for an IRL hour.

>>171691837
Training montage:
>Knap rocks and throw them at walls.
>Wrestle ravens.
>Sneak everywhere.
>Sneak/swim under bridges.

Also, bring a friend to meatshield for you all the time, and remember that fast traveling will instaheal any wound that can heal.

>>171692151
>>171692184
You must be careful while swimming though, you don't want to get encased in ice, when the "it is noon" message appears it's time to get out of the water and wait for a new day.

When will we get playable necro towers that we can defend against the hordes of turbo charged adventurers and robbers of arcane knowledge

WHEN?

>>171692503
NEVER

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>171692503
2020-2030

>>171691465
In a time before time, I attacked me.

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Do you like Bay12 aesthetics?

>>171693108
In a way yes

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>>171693108
You wish you had Toady's MSpaint skills.

www.pcgamer.com/why-the-creator-of-dwarf-fortress-is-really-excited-about-boats

>>171694250
>www.pcgamer.com/why-the-creator-of-dwarf-fortress-is-really-excited-about-boats
How come there is so many pc gamers articles?

>>171694375
I think someone from PC Gamer interviewed him during GDC and they're just splitting the interview up into separate articles.

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Timbukdrew, you wonderful thing, if you have time after marrying that other anon, and the woman is ok with it, marry me next?

>>171691632
Well done.

>>171694375
It's a long interview in parts.

>>171683007
Oh really? ( ͡° @ ͡°)

>>171694375
And why do they all have such click-baity names?

>>171695145
Welcome to "journalism".

>>171695145
Because it's published on an Internet platform that finances itself through clicks.

>>171695234
>>171695245
Didn't the last one have a name along the lines of "'Adventure mode was a mistake', says Dwarf Fortress creator"?

>>171695451
No, it was titled "The creator of Dwarf Fortress doesn't really like to play games like Dwarf Fortress".

>>171691749
that depends on a lot of stuff, world size, civilization size, number of sites, etc

>>171695145
they're only mildly clikbaity for internet "journalism" standards
the one here >>171694375 is really more of a catchy funny title than real clickabait

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Is this better than before?

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>>171697340
"Better"? More like poop.

Is there a way to become the capital or create a civilization?

>>171697340

I'd make it taller and narrower desu, but I guess it's better to need fewer ballistae than marksdwarves.

>>171697738
If your fort is awesome enough the monarch will move their court to your fortress. There's no way to declare independence though.

>>171697738
embarking in a world with a dead dorf civ is the easiest way

Is the variable Reveal all history activated by default in worlds created with the basic worldgen?

I generated a world, pocket size for 10000 years
The last civ standing was a bunch of gobbos
One of these has been alive before history even existed for some reason, like -274 years. During his life he has written many, many books, hundreds of them yet when I checked his skills he was merely adequate at writing
just like Steven King hehe
Tragic

>>171699213
Sad!

>>171699213
He's actually a masterful writer. Your adventurer is just too young to appreciate his works, and honestly probably has shit taste as well. I mean, did you even try to read "The Elf, My Only Mistake?"

>>171699054
Yes it is.

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>>171699213
Eyyyyy...

>>171699054
I think so, yeah, you can see the difference in legends mode cause ain't shit displayed if it's off.

>>171700168
Just how many rocs does that girl worship?

>>171700051
Damn you're right. I'm just not good enough :(
I wonder what kind of shit I can see in legends viewer. Maybe a couple that's gone at it so many times they're responsible for a great deal of the population

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>>171700702
All of them apparently, which is almost sweet of her to remember them since damn near everything she's ever encountered is dead by now.

>>171691462
I get decent fps on 16x16 use to be less then 1 so 64 bit must have done something.

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Is it possible to get pregnant in adventure mode?

>>171702462
Not unless you get kidnapped by a night creature. Though that would require killing everyone of the same sex and killing the night creatures mate.

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>>171702610
What a shame.

>>171702416
Apparently you were limited by a specific bottleneck that was related to memory.
I would be cautious to compare performance on different embarks, by the way. Especially if it's in different worlds.
Now, a direct comparison of the same 16x16 embark spot in the same world would be more interesting. Even better, a 100 different embark spots each with 32bit 43.05 and 64bit 43.05, all of them at the beginning and after 5 to 10 years with a specific number of creatures and items.

>>171702416
>>171702736
DF perfs actually mostly depends on the L1 memory cache (strong CPU cores = more FPS because generaly there is a corellation wih that and a strong L1 memory cache, especially with Intel cpus and that's the opposite with AMD)

>>171697340
It's still theoretically possible for goblins to jump the ledges, but three tile gaps should be fine.
Jump distance depends on creature speed. I think you can jump something like four or five tiles at full sprint. Creatures in fort mode don't try to do that until they enter combat, though, and it takes a while to accelerate, so they'll never be trying to jump through your deathtrap at full sprint. At normal walking speed or less, they can only clear one-tile gaps, so anything more than that will work most of the time.
You should also smooth all the walls to stop creatures from climbing them. Climbing probably won't help them infiltrate your fort, because of how slow it is, but locating and shooting all the stragglers clinging to the walls sounds annoying.

>>171702462
One day, anon. One day.

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>>171703572
I believe.
Toady really needs to get out a fetish update that delves more deeply into the sexual lives of the different civilizations.

>>171703432
yes, I was already planning to smooth down the walls of the pit while digging (and everywhere else, since they look so good)

>>171703807
All I want is a romance expansion, mostly so I can have children and play as them once my character gets too old.

>>171704058
Also pissing.

>>171704006
You better be putting some beasts at the bottom for the invaders to fight, complete with bleachers for the audience to see.

>>171704123
>Also pissing.
Don't make me bring out the spray bottle you lil shit

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>>171704274
You know you want it m8.
Don't fight it, embrace it.
Drink deeply of it.

Poopoopeepee in DF when?

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>>171702736
I found the world-gen tests pretty informative, they start out with little difference, both quick, then 32 bit starts to fall behind more and more, and that just keeps going until you reach the point where 32 bit crashes due to memory but 64 bit can keep on trucking, slowly or not.

I'm fucking around in legends mode, what does it mean X was authored by Y?

>>171704857
X (title of book)
Y (book writer)

>>171705259
I generated a 10000 years pocket world, found a female goblin that is also 10000+ years old, and she possibly wrote more than a thousand books

>>171705419
Me too. I think it was a guy though and judging on how he slowed down I don't think mine broke 500

>>171703372
I noticed that an noticeable improvement just by going with Intel this time, was wondering what part of the CPU made a large difference for DF.

>>171705601
is there a better way to look at this information than ingame?

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>in a time before time somebody attacked somebody

>>171705738
Yeah. Legends viewer

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The final 1000 years. oh boy I hope lots of death is going on

>>171706137
my goblin wrote 1818 books, and created 26 Dance forms

There's also another 10000+ old fem goblin who wrote 2213 books

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Found a little DF reference in C:DDA, thought I would share.

>>171706663
>All those towers

It's time to take up your fathers sword Urist, get that knowledge.

>>171707282
I too have a female goblin, though she is a poet and wrote around 1500 books

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holy shit this is kind of depressing

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>>171707650

Modding bros, if I made a necromantic megabeast, would its thralls follow it through history like they would a necromancer?

>>171707867
Goblins truly are the master race.

>>171708262
If it can make a tower and whatnot I think it should work that way.

>>171707867
If you were a hero you would slay the Demon leading the Goblins.

>>171708867
I tried to make a fortress just to see if the game would allow me, I don't even imagine from where the game asspulled 7 dwarves to give to me

>>171705690
That and RAM latency (there is a bottleneck if you really don't have enough RAM but you need FAST RAM)
I think benchmarks have some importance (and benchmarks are what matters instead of clock speed)
The game basically works by loading a whole save from the hard drive to the RAM (and from the RAM to the hard drive when you save) and the CPU is accessing it all the time in-game.
The reason why perfs sharpilly increase in a lot of people when the embark is below a certain size is because the L3 memory cache is able to load it instead of it being in the RAM, reducing problems with high RAM latency and latency between the RAM and the CPU because of the architecture of the CPU. (Intel has a good architecture for DF)

>>171709675
I retired the fortress and exported the xml again, it didn't even acknowledge my fortress or my dwarves existing for that brief moment

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just making sure i'm having fun here

do dwarfs get happy thoughts from simple owning a office or do they have to use it? If they do have to use it do they use it at all?

>>171714004
they'll use it as a dining room if it also has a table

>>171708601
What lets necromancers build towers? There isn't a specific token for it that I can see

>>171708332
You could probably kill all of those, and bring about the Age of Death.

>>171714867
Its the whole secret of immortally

>>171715915
I don't know shit about adventure mode, but i'd be happy to upload this world somewhere so someone could do this

>>171715975
So I can't make my own secret of flying wizards who build towers and read books and chill all day?

>>171716584
You can but they'll be immortal and very much like necromancers.

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>>171714867
Having the animate interaction and a secret they can teach.

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I just reformatted an old and broken pre-43.05 lua script used for instant pregnancies to accommodate for the new id placements or so and so. Yay me! I sure feel like a real script kiddie

ARISE DWARFS THE ELFS ARE AT YOUR GATES!

>>171716842
I'm not sure that's how it works, looking at the example interaction they're immortal because becoming a necromancer gives them the no_aging tag. Maybe it's the tag that lets them write it down?

>>171717620
Does it have to be reanimation? If they don't have it, will they just wander around the world teaching random people whatever their secret is?

>>171719576
I think its the dream of becoming immortal that causes them to seek the secret.

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>>171719791
They can teach it if it's got the mundane learning tag, but if they can't animate they won't build a tower and attract students so you need them having the sphere of the secret+supernatural+the sphere itself having immortality as a goal for people to seek it/learn it from them at all.

>>171719863
Ah, I knew that already. I'm just trying to figure out the mechanics of what happens after.

>>171720450
That's weak but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Toady just sort of out in a placeholder mechanic until he gets to really working on magic. Here I was hoping I'd have towers full of flying, flame shooting wizards.

>>171716141
Do it, I'll give it a shot this week.

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>>171720881
You can, but first you need someone who makes towers via the animate reaction, otherwise you end up with libraries with flying flame shooting wizards.

>>171704274
>>171704435
Being able to piss on your enemies corpse would be pretty awesome, you can already spit on them.

What's the best way to cause a cave-in from 100 feet above-ground?

>>171721764
I suppose I could turn off generated secrets so my worlds basically have turbo necromancers

>>171722645
Yeah, that's critical, leaving necros will take up a chunk of potential tower-builder-immortality-seekers.

>>171705690
SIngle Core performance. As well as bus speed and ram latency

>>171722126
a lever

>>171723195
I'm going to remove the opposed_to_life tag and make the chilliest zombies ever

>>171724056
Inb4 only zombies opposed to life will build towers

The genius behind this game is that Toady is for all intents and purposes a noble while us dwarves work menial jobs so that we can donate to him so that he can improve his living quarters.

>>171724406
Nah, I got these gimpy little creatures that don't even move and don't care about shit as zombies and they make towers.

>>171725524
>Implying he isn't in a strange mood and we must give him money so he can buy all the expensive materials he need for his artifact.

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>>171725794
S'truth.

>>171691632
I saw another one of these "he's my favorite" memes for df with a different joke but can't find the fucker, why, I love stupid jokes, I should have saved it!

Can you remove the ability for some races to bleed out? Also their bones so that I can turn kobolds into pincushions

>whip some guy in the chest
>it jams his ribs through his heart
>his heart is only fractured and not bleeding

w-what?

>>171727392
Might be including the bleeding from the heart in nearby tissues?

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>>171729402
She loved you anon, you broke her heart.

>>171721704
alright, uploading it now

>>171729748
And every other part of her by the look of it....

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>>171721704
There we go


tl:dr for the rest of you
>pocket world, 10000 years old
>less than 50 intelligent creatures alive by the looks of it, pic related

https://mega.nz/#F!oFhzwAJC!5U0AJIB1ouCWeR8xp-BiGA

>>171730367
well, a bit more than 50

>wearing armour
>legendary fighter and wrestler
>iron whip, proficient lasher
>losing badly to a naked goblin vampire

This is embarrassing, even with legs disabled he's still way faster

>>171730637
I can imagine how much of a pain they are, I've got one werewolf once, he was so fucking fast I couldn't believe, he killed 6 dwarfs before my squad could reach the location where it was

>>171730778
And then a month passes before he can reach the fort so he gets raped, right?

>>171730972
..no.. my squad managed to kill it but 3 people were bitten

so next month I got 3 werewolves, then in the next I got 5, then 9 or 15, i don't remember

>>171730367
That's a chart of historical figures, not all creatures. It doesn't mean that's all the sapients left in the world. What's the world pop list say?

>>171731389
first time using legends viewer, where can I see that information?

>>171731697
Dunno about legends viewer, but it's at the top of the world_sites_and_pops.txt file.

>>171731389
there are ~10300 goblins and one elf (maybe some other things I couldn't see, because i'm a dumbass)

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>>171731880
yes, exactly that

>>171731930
>>171732032
I also am really surprised that the world was at the age of titan and something else, and not goblins, seeing that they are 99.99% of the population

>>171732032
I am gonna find that faggot elf and kick his shit in

>>171732398
he's at the southernmost forest retreat, Friendlystyle

>>171732398
He's a competent bowman, novice everything else in combat

>>171732398
and the last thing he ever did that is registered was at year 52, but he probably did something else after, since he's not on the last reported location by his logs

>>171732834
>>171732669
>>171732481
Just gotta wait for the mega to stop being stuck at 92%.
Soon. His ass is grass.

>>171732885
did it work? do you want me to upload it again packed in a zip file?

>>171733169
It's stuck at 93% now for some reason
ETA is an entire hour

>>171733218
just say the word and I'll upload it again as a .zip

Do you guys go for regions or islands?

>>171733431
Autism doesn't let me go regions. It bothers me knowing that there's an edge you can reach that isn't blocked by something natural

>>171733431
I like islands better, but regions tend to have more variety, as world gen often counts the large ocean biomes as candidate for evil or good, which can draw it away from other biomes that are actually settle-able.

Should have savage treants fiercely protecting their "enchanted forest"

would make for woodcutter action and not the usual

A AMBUSH CURSE THEM

>>171733218
how is it going there anon?

>>171735474

He is dead , sever case of waiting

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are you redpilled on Toady?

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goblins are some shitters huh

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>>171734837
>sending out squads of woodcutters to chop down the home tree at a nearby forest retreat

>All right chums, let's do this!
>URIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSTTTTTTTTT
>Kadôlellest

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>>171737048
>elves

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>>171703807
>tfw hybrid intelligent wilderness people breeds

>>171737536
kek

>>171737465
>and blows apart

How did you get that? I've never seen it in 5 years

>>171738368
>I've never seen it in 5 years
I think the gait system introduced in 0.40 fucked falling damage. I remember that two level drops were enough to hurt you in 0.34, but now you need to fall three levels or more, and the damage itself tends to be lesser.

still, I've gotten quite a few "blows apart" since 0.40. last one was a glass FB I pushed down the central rampcase of a worldgen fort.

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>>171738368
Oh, well, it wasn't a case of an ordinary fall like: >>171738510 suggested.

I was using the rider version of launch (previously it let you grab someone and launch them, I think it's more fun to have it do the trick where you wind up riding them through the air like Zangief) in a very tall world aimed all the way up at the sky/the bottom edge of the screen, and the further the cursor is from you the faster you go, but the rider doesn't take the damage from this (normally I would be the one blowing apart/bouncing off the skybox) so it's just a matter of weeeeee, SPLOOSH, dead mount+safe rider.

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>dead people and money everywhere

Is this where Hillary puts the bodies? Should I be afraid?

>>171739460
hard to tell because of the shitty tileset, but it looks like a shrine.

watch out for whatever inhabits it. it's usually big bronzedudes and titans.

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>>171739802
It was a roc in the middle

>tfw no good loot either on the skeletons or when butchering the roc

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Has anyone done pic related?

It probably won't make a big difference, since the water will just disappear into the chasms, but still.

>>171740232
I haven't but I know it's been done

Picked up a giant steel axe blade at my still running fortress on my adventurer, should I use it as a main weapon? Could make a steel disc or other trap and pick it up on him if that's better

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>>171740232
After dropping the spire into hell, yes.

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>>171740613

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>>171740585
Also adding onto this, my alcohol stockpile is fucked because there are no barrels there but the alcohol is in pools all over the floor, wat do?

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post the most cancerous screenshot you've seen posted in /dfg/

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>>171740802

>>171740585
What are giant axe blades?

>>171742137
Axe blades but bigger.
They're a trap component.

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>>>/v/371351532

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>>171742323
>/v/

>>171694250
What if boteposter was actually Tarn all along?

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>>171742137

>>171742323
>>/v/371351770
/v/ is dead

>>171742709
>tfw you were actually nice to boteanon so Toady tossed in adventurer camps and shit

Is there any way to add gender specific bodyparts?

>>171743786
Yep.

Something to do with castes, variations, and bp_add

>>171743846
What about tying reproductive capability to having a body part?

>it's dorfs have dark skin but blond hair episode
we abos now.

>>171744080
I thought gelding blow already kind of resolves that in practice?

>>171744907
Oh does it?

If that's the case why hasn't anyone made a genitalia mod yet?

>>171745225
Why have genitalia when you can have your skin ooze precum?

>>171745225
I guess most people just don't care about if they only cut off someone's balls or the dicke as well
it's a gelding blow is a tasteful euphemism that's enough info for most people

>>171745352
Well the game is so brutally detailed in the combat log it just seems odd nobody has made genitals.

Can you honestly say you wouldn't want to/see a dwarf grab a gobbo by the nuts and squeeze them until they popped?

>>171745629
>Can you honestly say you wouldn't want to/see a dwarf grab a gobbo by the nuts and squeeze them until they popped?
Yes.

>>171745672
Word, while I'm pretty sure I could figure out how to do it, it's just not where I care to spend my time.

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Apparently I have (or had) a colony of ant people living beneath my fort. Might dig down to the caverns, retire and send an explorer down there after I get tired of this fort.

>>171745672
Fag.

>>171745629
>Can you honestly say you wouldn't want to/see a dwarf grab a gobbo by the nuts and squeeze them until they popped?
Yes. For me, the appeal in DF was never the gruesomely detailed violence.

It was a nice touch, but I wouldn't want to see it overdone.

>>171745629
indeed, I wouldn't
the problem with adding detailed genitals, pissing shitting and fucking is that it would attract tons of creepy fetishists to the game, while really not being all that fascinating all things considered

>>171745767
Genocide is the only answer.

>>171745798
>>171745672
Eh you just don't get it I guess
>>171745830
I don't know about actual fucking and shitting, seems a bit far. But even just having something generic like "groin" would be fine and I still think pissing on random people is funny, then again I played postal 2 growing up.

>>171746053
postal 2 was literally marketed as "that game where you piss on people", DF is not. Toady doesn't want or need that publicity.

learn the difference.

Show me the study that shows that rectangular tilesets are better than square tilsets

>>171746053
>Eh you just don't get it I guess
"Getting it" doesn't mean I share your desire to have it in Dwarf Fortress.

>>171746498
>implying there was any reason to suspect rectangular tilesets weren't better than square tilsets and thus worthy of a study in the first place

>>171746257
Literally page 1 on the mod release page I see furry and mlp shit, so theypublicity is fine though?

Penises and vaginas? That's a no no.

Degenerate furfags? A-OK!

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This poor goat has been on the run for over 10 minutes, as each hunter shoots a bolt or two, then runs away. They've come en masse here, and I think his goose is finally cooked.

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>>171746498

>>171745225
I've seen screenshots, actually. From before gelding. I'm not sure what's going on in that area now, but if you can't find any mods that fulfil your needs, you can always make your own.
That's how Obok Meatgod was able rape a child to death. Custom body parts.

>>171746729
Unofficial mods made by random fags shouldn't be taken into account when Toady adds new features.

Also, what's up with your way of argumentation:
>do you like x?
>no
>but y exists! can't you see that you're contradicting yourself by not also liking x?

>>171746729
How many people know df as "that furfag ponyfucker pieces of shit game" again?

People know they should be embarrassed of furryponyfuckerfaggotry, but being embarrassed of having a dick or pussy is fucked up.

Not wanting every story to focus on "OMG COCKS AND CUNTS" is understandable, when Toady puts ponyfuckerfaggotry into the game lemme know. Animal people as a trope were around long before every mention of them got permanently tainted with furfaggotry, but I haven't even thought twice about it since I genocided them right the fuck out of my mod completely.

If you want dicks and cunts in the game, learn how to mod and put them in, if you want a general "crotch" bodypart you can target for gelding/pain/etc, mod it in.

>>171747014
The fuck are you taking about? I'm saying how has nobody modded in something and you're telling me it's bad publicity for today? I was literally using your logic.

30 or so military dwarves just rocked up in adventure mode and are currently fisticuffing my soldiers to death. What in the world

>>171747469
Gangland warfare, df style.

>>171747119
I don't recall ever saying toady should put it in the game so fuck off. My original point was how nobody had modded it in.

You know what I will mod it in and I'll put it on the forums listed as /dfg/s favorite mod and scream over and over in the description how /dfg/ wants these features in the base game just to spite you for throwing words in my mouth.

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>>171747704
>You know what I will mod it in and I'll put it on the forums listed as /dfg/s favorite mod and scream over and over in the description how /dfg/ wants these features in the base game just to spite you for throwing words in my mouth.
good luck

>>171747704
People have modded it in actually.
You just don't see it on the forums because Toady (and/or Threetoe) thinks it's distasteful.
There's probably a huge collection of DF sex mods somewhere.

>captcha: 5000 ADAMS
please no that is too many

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this cute lil pupper is all tuckered out from too much playtime!

>>171747704
You got a bit of mad in your oatmeal there anon, fish it out and maybe you'll notice I didn't accuse you of doing that, rather I said that the presence of that particular brand of filth is terrible, but until we get around to establishing bronyfurry death camps we'll just have to ignore it.

If someone wants to mod it in, go for it, I was amused by degenerateanon after all, but the presence of ponyfurfilth on bay12 doesn't mean shit, while every story and every introduction new people get from the point dicks/cunts became official would be about them, so it's best that they remain something people can insert (heh) on their own.

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>>171747841
>yfw he actually does it
Autism is a strong thing anon don't mess with that shit.

So what's the smallest size you guys use for your embark? I'm thinking a 2x2 but it feels too small

>>171748097
>degenerateanon
I thought he was entertaining at first, but after a few weeks, I realised that he was never gonna upload any screenshots (or any visible proof that he did any work at all), but instead just use the "mod" as an excuse for random shitposting about memes and anime.

>Ha ha ha ha. I have no idea what I'm getting into.

>>171748191
I usually go 3x3, but 2x2 is entirely playable. You still have a ton of vertical space.

>>171748191
3x3 is the smallest I've ever done and I don't really feel like going smaller.

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>>171746778

>>171748872
>>171749080
How much FPS are you guys getting at 3x3 with around 80 dwarves? What processor?

Thanks a lot for the answers.

>>171749905
Nothing noticeable. The frame drops come from AI pathing and shit like temperature

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http://www.pcgamer.com/dwarf-fortress-creator-tarn-adams-talks-about-simulating-the-most-complex-magic-system-ever/
>Magic stems from creation myths
>Some worlds won't have raising the dead at all. Some worlds will have so much dead raising that everyone's practically immortal, or something.
This article makes me want magic more than anything, holy shit.

>>171749905
>How much FPS are you guys getting at 3x3 with around 80 dwarves?
Around 65-80, depending. FX-6300.

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>>171751374
There's a cost to this movement, and the cost is, 'how much do I value my blood?
Kek

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>>171751374
Wait until you read the part about boats:
http://www.pcgamer.com/why-the-creator-of-dwarf-fortress-is-really-excited-about-boats/

>you can choose to make an expedition to an unexplored continent with the intention of setting up a fortress
>You're not even on your fortress site yet and 4 of 7 dwarves already got eaten by carp

>>171749905
It varies depending on a lot of things I don't even know, but maybe something like 60.
Intel Core i3-4150

>>171752306
>stock nothing but plump helmet biscuits
>dwarves all die of scurvy

How come dwarfs are so weak in worldgen?
They are generaly a lot less numerous than goblins and even humans despite generaly holding several times more sites than the latter because they never develop anything while humans have at least ten towns with thousands of humans.

>>171752748

Gets boarded by Gnark Nelson, Admiral of the Goblin Empire first fleet

>>171752907
SMELLY DUMB
DWARF SCUM

>>171752907
Different pop caps, crappy worldgen site types, lack of pro-active elimination of enemies due to ethics.

Simply having dwarves make towns helps dramatically, fucking around with ethics too much runs the risk of them taking over everything.

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Stop bullying.
Stand up.
Speak out.

>>171750019
>>171751679
>>171752482
Thanks a lot, I will risk a 3x3.

>>171745225
but there are genitalia mods, even in the forums

>>171743786
>>171743846
>>171744080
>>171744907
>>171745225
>>171746897
I've never been in a Dwarf Fortress general before but I think I'm gonna like it here.

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>starting adventure mode
>one civ doesn't seem to have any sites, let's try that one
>elves, holding one camp and nothing else
>spawn in a tree
>game freezes for half a minute when I try to move
>what the hell
>look down
I'm not sure if I want to know.

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>>171755915
Not generally as much dick fascination in here as you might think from this morning.

>>171755915
it's the last bastion of fun on /vg/
too autistic to branch out
too slow to care

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>>171756108
Could be worse, but I have myself to blame for the natural skill discipline shit I do.

>>171756108
>chests and bags on the ground, like campsites always have
>coins inside
>"This is a stack of 52024 Dur Bestra Athis Rakbinpuji copper coin."
I guess that's why the game spent so much time loading coin data when I started.

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>>171755915
enjoy your stay

>>171754708
>I suck at wrestling.
>I suck at wrestling.
>I suck at wrestling.
>I suck at wrestling and someday I will die.
>I think I can fix that last last one.

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>meph telling people that they must ask for permission and give creds before using his stolen stuff
Can he become more of a scumbag at this point?

Toady suddenly appear in your kitchen and grants you a one time chance to determine what to implement into the next patch

what do you want in the next update?

>>171757701
something that isnät on the schedule.

like vore.

>>171757701
demolitions

>>171757819
>swallowed whole by a giant
>combat logs of being digested
>can attack the inside of its stomach to try to escape

>>171757701
hot dwarf x elf x human lesbian romance and sexy time

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>>171757557
...

>>171757701
Unrealistic "anything from the grab bag" option: the ability to continue world-gen for a set period again, but with the "updating map" world behavior

More realistic than the above, weirdly enough: multi-threading with an api link to hook in gpu computation capabilities as needed

Fully realistic but an unknown time before it would be implemented otherwise: multi-tile creatures and the movable fort sections/boat implications thereof

>>171757819
>vore
>implying autovore isn't already a thing somehow

>>171757701
There are some things that I want to see implemented, but changing the schedule would have wide reaching consequences which make it not worth it. So I'd say go with what you're doing right now, Toad.
I'm pretty satisfied with his development priorities.

>>171756643
I love that picture.

>>171758059
desu, an anon actually asked something similar to that in the fof, the toad said it would be ok, he also confirmed that materials'll have chemical properties

>>171758489
>boats
>an unknown time before it would be implemented otherwise:

I'd say "right after the current and following development modules" is as known as it gets for Dwarf Fortress.

>>171757701
Proper scaffolding.
Why the kitchen? I don't have any mountain dew or cheetohs in the house.

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>>171757557
Stop being so assblasted by meph and posting every minor thing he says or does as evidence of him being a total faggot. Everyone knows, now drop it.

>>171759206
>Proper scaffolding.
literally already a thing, just use wood logs

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no wonder the writing is so disjointed

>>171759308
Constructions aren't scaffolding. We need dwarf-portable methods of accessing higher and lower z-levels on demand for the completion of jobs.
I can't tell you how much easier Relicwebs would've been to dig with something like that. Years after having finished shaving the front of the cliff down I'm still digging away the "scaffolds" I used to access it. Not to mention the fact that, when removing a construction or building (bridge or grate) that spans a gap, its component objects will randomly decide which side of the gap to land on. Or that dwarves will deconstruct a stair from below but not from above (they stand on it to deconstruct if they can't access it from below or horizontally).

>>171759206
This is a good idea

>>171759289
Full multithread support and memory access optimization. (the latter is probably more important for performances but still)

>>171760823
Sorry, meant >>171757701

>>171757701
>>171760823

How much time do you reckon a player needs to put in before they're able to play this game without using a tutorial or reference sheet?

>>171763632
Depends on how fast someone can learn and remember

>>171763632
It's just memorization of what useless rocks are in what layer, or how much of plants grow where.
There's no shame in using the wiki.

>>171763632
a few days
however you will and should never stop using the wiki

>>171760823
>>171763308
Literally(literally) impossible

>>171764727
Go away

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>>171763632
Put one of these over on another monitor or something for the first little bit until you just start being able to correctly guess what something is, but always keep the wiki handy.

I know the structures of the game in and out, upside down, and backwards. I've written numerous scripts ranging from minor shit like setting stuff on fire to completely whipping up and inserting a fake artifact with proper historical event/figure/etc links.

Done mods which wound up being more or less complete overhauls, and gotten where I can glance through an errorlog and know exactly what I fucked up or missed, in which file, down to the lines I need to fix.

I still keep the wiki handy, in particular the modding > tokens pages because there are still lots of tokens I just haven't actually had a reason or chance to fuck with yet and never know when I might need one or come up with something after seeing one.

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>>171763632
Long time.

What year/age is the best to stop world gen for the most FUN!

>>171764727
this.

stone crafts for the elves, though.

>>171766520

Wait

does the Elfs get offended by wood craft?

>>171767057
indeed They does get offended by it

>>171767057
WELL I DON'T KNOW ANON

WHAT DO YOU THINK

>>171767162
>>171767194

Jeeeeezzz

this explain why they always leave pissed at every trade opportunity

bloody multi level game

>>171767409
You could've just read the screen to have figured it out.
>Once a beautiful tree, and now? It is a rude bauble, fit only for your kind.

>>171764813
whats the matter anon, you dont like balls? what are you, fucking gay?

>>171768429
What? No! I'm not gay! We can have sex right now! I love testicles man!

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>>171767409
You done fucked up son

>>171760823
>get to pick a feature to push forward to the next update
>choose something that basically requires a total rewrite of fortress mode
Do you WANT the next release to take another twenty years? Is that it? You think Toady One's update schedule is just too frequent, and you'd rather he take more time so you can explore the various nuanced bugs present in the old versions?

>>171770308
Toady is gonna have to do more optimization eventually, and rewrite the code for stuff like different planes and magic probably.

Started playing again after a year or so, I'm playing with some Masterwork mods, and for some reason I can't designate multi-level trees to be cut down. I've tried including all Z levels in the designation, and even tried to use digging on the trunks, but nothing happens. Am I missing something?

>>171770491
>Masterwork
Don't expect any answers for anons here

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>>171770491
>Masterwork

>>171770418
Toady needs to start a gofundme or something for having the game professionally redone with what he already has.

>>171770952
Patreon, mate

>>171770491
try uninstalling masterwork

>>171771262
Something. There are legitimate business that do this sort of thing. He could have a few hundred thousand raised in a few months no doubt.

>>171771262
Not the same thing

>>171770952
The number one obstacle before Toady One hiring a team of engineers to fix his game for him is not funding, but the fact that he doesn't want to.

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>>171770491

>>171771528
welcome to the generation that believes that all problems can be solved by tossing money at them

>>171771904
Dumb people exist in every generation.

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What skills are you working on fortress wise?

I'm trying to expand my industry use, make more soap, paper and cheese. I'd really like to come up with modular workshop/stockpile setups for each, but I'm not sure I've got the space for that...

>>171771904
What? It's fucking capitalism you little shit. Toady and his brother are amateur game developers with a marvel of a game and could use a few steps back for professional work to lay the ground for their future.

>>171771904
Every solvable problem can be solved with time and resources. Money is a proxy for time and resources. Unless you think DF has unsolvable problems, then the proper application of money could solve every single one of them.

>>171771528
You generally can't just go into a project that's a decade in development and start recoding shit. I have a feeling you don't know much about programming.

>>171771351
>He could have a few hundred thousand raised in a few months no doubt.
Yeah no

>>171772224
Jeeze, everything's so.. square. Angled.
Couldn't you have rounded anything out?

>>171771904
Liberals don't account for the whole generation. Just the degenerate part.

>>171772224
>walled off, drawbridge & moat fortress
finally, an anon who's just as boring as me.

>>171774013
It is an efficient design

>>171772224
Testing out an underground moat that pulls in water from the ocean and raises it back up to sea level. Optimaly id also get my fresh water from here, and maybe include another deviation before the grate to have an underground fishing area.

>>171772224
Hold up

Couldn't enemies just swim under your walls?

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>>171774075

Its not very....progressive

>>171774229
Wall grates, or it's a brook.

>>171772346
>It's 2028
>DF 1.0
>$59.99 on steam
>Paid dlc rulesets and color schemes
>Have to pay to have access to the raw
>If you don't have the ingredients for a mood you can just pay real money for them
>Still isn't multithreaded

Thank God Toady gave his game to a more knowledgeable gaming company. It was really better for the game in the end.

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>>171773863
Do you see the nice rounded smile on this dwarf's face?

That was my inspiration.

>>171774013
>>171774075
There are 6 dwarves alive in the pocket world and we are at war with the elves and the goblins. The other 6 dwarves live in one of two caves, I think we can do better but it's best to be secure.

>>171774126
So you're using a desalination pump on the moat, or are you making a whole freshwater moat for luxury?

>>171774229
>>171774408
They totally can.

It is a brook, but I was going to take the top off and make a wee drawbridge ahead of the little gatehouse type thing, cozy like.

Is there a good way of sealing river/walls like this?

>>171774428

You forgot the Toady/DF zealots who would prosecute anybody besmirching him ,
And smash Game Stop windows for not selling DF

Good day /dfg/.
I wanted to share this playlist that I enjoy listening to while playing. It's the complete Dominions 4 soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLed8-hbpS2Hatx4qQGRzHckZ6TZrFxzJh

>>171774308
I don't get it

>>171774536
Freshwater moat my man, we're going to desalinate the whole ocean

Also afaik you can't climb under walls built on brooks, so you should be fine.

>>171774838
THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE LAST SHIT I TOOK

>>171774838
Are you the guy from that gay vg thread? Post your adventure mode screenshots with stonesense, they looked cool.

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>>171774950
Yeah, but if we don't channel the brook we can't have a secondary drawbridge on the surface, I was going to have battlements shooting into the courtyard with access from the fortress below and such.

Desalinating the whole ocean sounds awesome, it's much better than my idea of just using a pump and a tiny chamber to fill a well, you should totally go for it and fuck all those filthy merpeople.

>>171774308
>>171774857
There's nothing to get, squares are the perfect shape for a fortress, any dwarf knows that.

>>171775072
o- ok

>>171775121
wasn't me anon but I am a gayfag.

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>start new fortress
>it's fucking perfect, iron and flux everywhere, sand and clay gathering, huge lake
>4 years in, everything's settled in, huge walls erected
>goblins are friendly
>slaughtering elves just don't do it for me

I'M READY FOR FORCES OF DARKNESS BUT THEY'RE BUSY KNITTING FUCKING FRIENDSHIP SWEATERS

>>171775897
>goblins are friendly
W-What?

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>>171776234
Unless there's a second civ of goblins that's going to pop up for an ambush later. Which would be ideal, because these are all fucking PANSIES.

>>171776620
If the only goblin civ members that have come to your fort have been visitors, like to your tavern or something, that what you'll see. You're not really at peace with them, you haven't had any official contact with them at all at a state level.

How old is your fort? What's your pop?

>>171772793
>proper application
That would be the difference between just tossing money at a problem, and actually working to solve it. If you just have a huge pile of money, and no idea how to use it, all you're going to accomplish is losing a huge pile of money.
You can of course hire skilled project managers, but if you aren't one yourself, you might have difficulty finding one. That's one of the things you need a skilled project manager for. And to some people, it never seems to occur that they need one until it's too late. It's really apparent with some dead crowdfunding projects that the reason they failed is that the guy receiving all the money just had no clue what he was supposed to do with it.

In this case specifically, Toady One has zero experience wrangling a team of coders, and is probably the worst possible person to head a commercial project to remake Dwarf Fortress. It's been, what, ten years since he last even had a formal job. You'd have better luck giving money to the Rimworld guys.

>>171777117
4 years, 70 dorfs.

>>171774536
>>171774950
Brook tiles, the ones underground, are basically solid walls that let water through. It'll be fine.
If you ever find yourself needing to secure a proper river or something similar, you should use fortifications. Unlike grates and bars, they're terrain rather than furniture, meaning that building destroyers can't smash them and they won't break if the water freezes. If the water doesn't freeze, it'll also be tricky to get them built in the first place. You'll likely need to do something huge like dig a huge drain leading to the caverns under the river, and pierce the river floor from below. Either that or pump magma all the way to the surface.

>>171777707
Get another ten dwarves. Sieges need 80, by default.

>>171775389
Be careful with fucking around with the ocean. One time I had an aquifer meet the ocean and it created a black hole that sucked the entire ocean dry, which would have been cool if it hadn't absolutely murdered my fps

Someone give me a middle earth map

>>171777707
>70 dorfs
isn't the default minimal population for a siege 80 dorfs?

>>171778123
>>171778651

I had a siege with 50 dwarfs and a 2 years old fort. I didn't changed anything besides the population cap limit. (Population Cap: 50, Strict Population Cap: 55)

>>171778284
Tbh I always wished my maps looked a little like the map of middle earth. Its very asthetic

>>171772793
>Money is a proxy for time and resources
That assumes that you're the investor.

Toady isn't the investor. He's the guy getting the job done. From the perspective of an investor, you can't really tell Toady exactly what he can and cannot do.

It's also worth mentioning that Toady doesn't run Bay12 as a business. He simply makes a game he thinks is cool, and gladly accept any donations other choose to give him while doing so.

I don't really have any good way to put it, but basically, I think you should stop trying to sneak that neo-liberal yuppie attitude into a project that essentially is one man's vision. Toady's goal isn't to generate wealth, and as much of a sin that must be in a neo-liberal's eyes, that's probably best for the development of DF.

>>171780237
>neo-liberalism

Why do you keep saying that? I feel like making profits/money is more of a conservative attitude.

>>171779742
it's a typical bullshit fantasy map made by someone who doesn't understand geology. I'm happy that the DF maps don't look like it.

I'm not saying that DF maps are 100% realistic, because they certainly aren't but at least they're plausible.

>>171780237
Capitalism is neo-liberal now?

Toady is clearly anarchism in any case.

>>171780237
>working towards a PhD in math from a major university
>easily capable of finishing it, already published research and everything
>Decides he wants something else out of life and moves towards programming
>designs one of, if not the most complex and deep video game every created

Toady was already in the money. He probably decided that he'd rather do things that interest him personally, rather than spending weeks beating his head against a wall trying to solve 40+ page theoretical equations for some big corporation's research wing. I'm just about to start on my master's in math next semester, so I can respect that 100%.

>>171780393
What's wrong with it, chump?

>>171780387
Outside of /pol/, "liberal" doesn't mean SJW. It's a doctrine that wants more power for privately owned corporations, and less power to the public sector. Neoliberalism is simply the most extreme form, which is currently dominant in the west.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

>>171780584
Sounds like faggot talk to me

>>171780493
How much money does Toady even have to live off of a month? Also how does he get it? All from donations or what? He doesnt work, aside from on DF, right? It cant be much a month. Like I understand working on something you are passionate about, but still its gotta be hard sometimes.

>>171780984
He publishes reports of where all the donation money goes. But there was that time he went on a coke bender.

>>171780984
He had harder times, now he pulls 6 to 8k a month and more in holidays.