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>NEW: First balance patch is now LIVE! Patch notes here:
http://pastebin.com/sxwT5yhn

>Leaked Centurion / Ninja Image
http://imgur.com/a/r8jXO

>New players:
http://pastebin.com/55KZTiUK

>Multiple hero video guides
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkiUfT_3_4AnTBKwzZQO7-fDgKDzwPRPr

>Wikis:
http://forhonor.wikia.com
http://forhonor.gamepedia.com/For_Honor_Wiki

>Character damage values
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wwr17AtTDFU3BZY_81axLVMKdHdNZuV0wGOb589VKgc/edit#gid=0

>Gear modifier values
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mPLuxn-bPMwxOotsIL8lM-x0jP101dIbUnMD1ten7ik/edit#gid=154396609

>Friends list sign up Doc:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe46v1-5y3m5IbPVaP1NRaEjU7tO3YWE_fZkR4dQ5C8nBwI5Q/viewform?c=0&w=1

>For those that have signed up:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b8fuKwrDWqaprZE9mRhDtgDRqkZHIabBfum-jHumLKw/edit#gid=943442915

>War of Factions:
https://forhonor.ubisoft.com/game/en-us/war-of-factions/

>PVP Stat Tracker:
https://fhtracker.com/

>Story mode collectibles:
http://gameranx.com/features/id/93082/article/for-honor-all-knights-campaign-collectibles-breakables-observables/
http://gameranx.com/features/id/93191/article/for-honor-all-vikings-campaign-collectibles-breakables-observables/
http://gameranx.com/features/id/93397/article/for-honor-all-samurai-campaign-collectibles-breakables-observables/

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First for weebs are the superior race
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How do we save iSky's stream?
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Buff the law
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Nerf Lawbringer.
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KNIGHTS

KNIGHTS

KNIGHTS
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fuck cowtits
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I swear lawbringers are in love with playing the victim mentality. Every time I see a lawbringer discussion it's lawbringers circlejerking about "abloo bloo muh low tier character" every fucking time. Do you niggers want everyone to feel sorry for you or what?
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Which characters do you personally think needs a buff?
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Stop asking for nerfs

Because it ain't going to happen
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First for Nobushi is the best wife with nice feets.
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>every class you want to play has slower guard change and can't win vs valk PK and orochi.

Speaking of shit what do you do after parrying nobushi since only shugoki can punish her?
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how the fuck do you read Tozen's lights on realistic

Orochi animations move the sword to the OPPOSITE SIDE on half the swings, and I keep eating shit to basic ass combos
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>>171038938
>black warden
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>>171038954
thanks for praising my wife!
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what in the flying fuck is True "euphoric_fedora_shadow" Talent spewing when someone subscribes to him? Jesus Christ, those are literally just sounds.
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>>171038927
we want a viable character
>>171039024
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>>171038954
You can keep your disgusting foot whore.

Peacekeeper is best girl and best waifu.

Don't even talk to me until you've got the right opinions on this matter.
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>>171039029
Don't be dumb. It is clearly eyeshadow to make his eyes pop.
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>>171038927
I'm okay with the same three characters winning every single tournament. I certainly don't want my main to have to adapt to heroes that aren't objectively inferior to mine.
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>>171039038
Wish i cared enough to find out whats so appealing about him

He seems to have consistent viewers
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>>171039024
toss him of the ledge
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>>171038971
if it's a light parry then do a heavy attack, all classes can
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>>171038791
He is really the only FH streamer I watch for background noise

What is wrong with his stream?
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>>171039264
I can't stand the guy, but I like watching someone better than me play the game. I haven't bothered looking for other people.
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BRING BACK HIGH FORT AND RIVER FRONT
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>>171039368
This
Run around and running grab him until you throw him off the bridge ledge whatever, the real challenge is avoiding his chain combos since they have huge momentum.
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>>171038927
Lawbringer player here, I think he just needs less punishability on his attacks. If they buffed his side light speeds one or two frames and made his heavy attacks a tad bit faster as well he'd be a solid mid tier option. Also make it so shove doesn't fuck up block punishes on shit like Warden AoE. This is under the assumption that they fix the block stance shit as well.
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I can't believe they haven't even announced any Lawbringer buffs
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>>171038927
Its a relate-able subject. That's how conversation works.
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r1r2r1r2r1r2r1r2r1r2
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>>171039032
>foot fetishist
>literal cuck

>>171039535
Is it even possible to delay your x press after blocking warden's zone attack and still get an untechable gb? i pulled it off once, but I'm not sure if it was actually untechable or if he just fucked up.
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>>171039720
skirmish is funny
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>We actually won a round

Weeb Spring!
But... how?
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First for peace keeper did nothing wrong
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>>171038927
The only REAL problems I have with lawbringer is, as another anonymous said, that block-shove timing should be a bit different so you can punish things that are normally GB punished on block IE warden's zone, and also that all of the slower characters like Lawbringer should be able to switch guards faster. I don't need them to be Assassin-speed, but right now it just feels so unresponsive and bad.

Also I swear like 50% of the time I guardbreak someone and try to side-heavy them, a top-heavy comes out, and it never happens with other characters so I don't know if it's a bug or I am somehow fucking up my inputs on this character alone.
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>>171039535

Shove should apply wallstun when pushing someone against a wall.
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>>171039756
First she falls then get sucked into the spikes. Such an awkward animation.
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That update they are going to have this week.

Do they announce the contents of seamless maintenance before it goes out?
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>>171039756

>tfw you defeat a rep11 PK as rep1 zerk in 4v4
He was the especially annoying version of PK that never does the dash stab so you never get a free parry tho.
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Who here /ruiningtheirstatstopracticewithoutindicators/?
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>>171039535
Lawbringer is supposed to be big guns hybrid but has shit damage and his defense is only in appearance.

Needs highest damage out of all hybrids and hyper armor, shugoki is the immovable object lawbringer needs to be the unstoppable force.
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>>171038868
>(you)
if you dont wanna get better thats fine. just dont bitch about then say nothing when theres a counter argument
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Sorry buddy, only people that play online with their HUD turned off are allowed in.
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>>171040142
Who cares about stats when there is no ranked? It literally has no impact but for people who want to stroke their e-peen.
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>>171040043
>Dash stab a free parry
How are you people so fast. I guess I'm too old for these games.
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>>171040290
Hope you stick to 1vs1, I feel sorry for the poor teammates that would be forced to be paired with you.
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>>171040142
You shouldn't care about stats. The best way to have good stats (outside of ragequitting) is to just keep playing against players worse than you and never running back anyone who beats you, but you'll never get good doing that.

My stats are probably in the shitter but that's because I'd rather play against someone beating my ass and try really hard to take a win off of them than quit out and hope to fight someone worse.

I usually don't run lb spamming PKs back though just because it's neither fun nor do I feel like I am improving as as player for fighting them.
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>>171039164
>>171039749
Feets is a joke from the dev stream this morning. They commented on Nobushi's Feats.

Nobushi IS best girl though fuck off.
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>>171040324
Yet i would rape your asshole if there was a rank duel. Sucks that it does not exist
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>>171040398
You're thinking of valks dash stab which has zero startup frames and a grand total of two(2) whole attack frames and literally just sends her model flying across the map autisticly screeching.
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>be a class with a slower switch stance speed than opponent's attack speed
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What is up with Berserker attacks?

There's a huge input lag so I sometimes I spam heavy and lights without knowing which my character will do. The crazy part is that I've been noticing that some of my lights give me executions. I just side dashed light into an execution. Is this suppose to happen?
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>>171040556
Nobushi's feats are pretty fucking awful, was the comment about switching them up and/or buffing them?
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>>171040426
You know what's funny, I play good players on a regular and my stats are still good so nice scape goat. I just fought a rep 7 nubishi who knew how to cancel his faints, parry, and etc. I beat him with my level 15 raider. My best character is keeper but I can play raider and kensei at high level too.
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As a conq, is it guaranteed if you throw an exhausted opponent to the ground and can get a fully charged heavy before they get up?
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>>171040646
Name 1 reason why this has not been removed.
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>>171040940
I'm guessing to force slow switch speed classes to be aggressive.
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>>171038732
>OP image unrelated to game in any way
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>>171038927
>Do you niggers want everyone to feel sorry for you or what?
Yes. The low tier princesses always hide behind the fact their character is worse when they lose, and will brag when they win because they use a low tier character.

It's completely about backslapping themselves to think they're good when in reality they're using an offmeta pick that no one knows how to counter.
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>>171040940
because nobushi would be a noob destroyer
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>such a social retard I feel awkward playing the same person twice in a row so I quit the lobby every duel

How to fix autism?
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>>171040807
if your winrate is still 'really high' then you arent fighting players who are as good or better than you. If youre taking more than 50% of the games off of people you are much better than they are.

That said it's pretty much impossible to fall below 50% winrate in this game. Even in 4v4 mode where I get meme'd on by revenge roach shit constantly i still somehow have a 60%+ winrate and it feels like i lose every match.
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>>171040590
>Valk
The stamina cost of her attacks has to be increased again desu, she can go on all day with her spam shit.
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>>171041056
>>171038040
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>>171041191

Want to counter Lawbringer? Block, parry, or dodge all of his incredibly slow attacks.
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Just...
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>>171041316
A huge poleaxe and an old giant should somehow be fast.
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thread...so...slow...must..post...
So...dead...
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>>171041215
I'm talking about 1v1. Elimination and objective my stats are way higher because of that said reason like 3.80 kd in objective but in 1v1 I fight really good players. I main peace keeper but I promise you I understand her better then the other shitters, I never ran into one who Kara cancels either which is funny. My kd for 1v1 is like 1.60 or something but I'm 2% for keeper
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>>171041198
and PK isn't? while being better than Nobushi in every way gameplay wise
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>level 9 nobushi, testing her out
>face rep 2 lawbringer with a canadian emblem
>does nothing but try to ledge me
>calls me trash when he does

always the fucking canadians
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>>171040271
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>>171041450

If he can't be fast, then he should be strong. Have him hit as hard as Shugoki.
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>>171041248
Yeah stam cost are definitely the issue.
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>>171041519
Just like the game.
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How do i maximize PK's high skill cap?
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>>171041191
That's a bad example, all you need to do is counter and parry you'll win 90 percent of the time against lb because his move set is poop..I don't even play him lol
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>>171041519
> thread so slow
So having 3+ threads a day is slow?
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>>171041293
SOURCE DAMNIT
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>>171041619
new it wasn't just me that valk is "immune" to the berserker deflect

fucking bullshit i tell you. bad enough she's already peacekeeper-tier after being overbuffed
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>>171040556
I know, I was there, dumbass.

And I said don't talk to me until you get the right opinion on this matter, Nobushitter.
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>>171040807
>My best character is keeper
of course it is
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>>171041598
its like playing spot the shitter.
just gotta spot pk light posts
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>>171041316
I know it's easy, but I was talking about fighting games in general. If you've never been up against a competent LB before, and you get shoved/flipped and top stunned all day you're gonna think he's better than Valk.

This is why I always hate tier lists that come out the week a game launches. No one knows shit.
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>>171041737
Learn to deflect against nobushi because you get nothing off of parries often.

Learn to cancel zone attack, best used after a parry into guard break combo.

Never spam the dash attack, it's way to easy to parry.

Off of parries you can do heavy into posion for good dmg and follow up into zone.

Against tank chars pk posion stab is pretty useful, also stops warden shoulder bash. Also learn to feint a lot and Kara cancel your heavy into grab for easy dmg
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You think Cent is going to be male only?

The Ninja I doubt will have gender restriction.
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>>171042164
Duh. Name one female who was a legion commander.

Anyone can be a ninja though
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>>171042121
I thought dash heavy confirmed after parries.
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>>171041972
Kek people like you never seen a high level keeper who doesn't spam lights. I'll guarantee I can beat you with my raider too. But most people hear are pc players.
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>>171042251
I think the armor is a bigger issue thsn historical accuracy.
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post some cute Nobushi pictures
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>>171041450
armor doesn't make you a fucking slug, doofus
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>>171042270
They do but it's not a lot of dmg compared to side heavy into poison. I only suggest doing that if your close tho. The best parry options for peace keeper at far range is the dash attack or zone attack.
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>>171041830
Futa Muscle Oni Infinite Climax

>>171042332
No such thing exists
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Which SAM-HOO-RAI do i get to rep 1 for the achievement?

Post ending in 5 decides


I main Law currently
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>>171042546
Femkensei
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>>171042546
Shuggah
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>>171042546
Shugoki.
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>Rep11 roach in dominion that does nothing (I mean nothing) but the upper light attack, basically does not even move forward normall and does the light attack instead
>Is first in his team
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>>171042546
female orochi with bunny ears
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Is it me or can I not feint heavies in my chain as a berserker? Me spamming the feint button does nothing.
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*ATTENTION XBROS*
There is now an /fhg/ club on xbox
If you would like to join either look up:
For Honor General Official
OR
add metalkid267 and i will invite you to the club
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>>171042947
>when metalkid267 posts
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>>171042947
don't you get one free name change on xbox?
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>>171039452

i watch iskys and KingRichard15 for background noise, KR15 has a pretty chill playlist, he plays PK though
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>>171043064
>watching KR
>literally the more autistic retard than keehu
Jesus you have bad taste in people
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>>171043064
KingRichard had a pathetic fight in a 1v1 recently. Tried running away like a fag and got warned that if he kept running he'd be disqualified.
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>>171043064
That guy is too pretentious for my tastes. Super hypocritical guy.
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>>171043190
wasn't that with aarpain and they were both being fags?
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>>171042546
Black male kensei.
Exclusively purple colors.
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>>171043062
Yes and when i was 11 i changed it to metalkid
>>171042965
STOP
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>>171043296
The conq was chasing him around and KR was whining about ledges.
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>>171043296
nope, one before
and aarp was not running away, he just refused to chase him across the map
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>>171042685
ffffff
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The only thing I find myself doing as Warden, is playing reactively/defensive, throw people into walls for Top Heavy's and be ready to counter guard break. I literally never swing out of throw-stun windows. It feels so cheap.
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>>171042947
Metalkid-san! you make my heart go doki~ doki~ !
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>>171043304
Watermelon emblem optional?
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who should i main from now on?
8 decides
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>>171042947
> metalkid267
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>>171043364
Post pics of your feet

>>171043624
Whatever metalkid267 mains
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>>171042734
taptap
taptap
GUARDBREAK
taptap
taptap
GUARDBREAK
HEAVY

Psh nothin personnel
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To all the Wardenbros in the general. Thanks. Watching your webms has improved my Warden skills tremendously and I feel better playing better.
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>>171043530
poke with your overhead light and use overhead feints to bait them into your crushing counterstrike, too

there you go, you have a genuine source of reactable aggression now
sometimes i hit them with an overhead light, cancel into shoulderbash, feint that and overhead light again, it's surprisingly effective
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>>171042734
Not like orochi has a lot of options
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>>171043624
raider
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>>171041583
The reverse of this just happened to me.

>Lvl 8 lawbringer, new at the game
>VS rep 2 nobushi
>She does literally NOTHING but try to ledge me and runs away the moment the fight gets away from the ledge

Funny part is that she didn't even manage to do it, her raider buddy showed up and smacked me in the back.
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>>171043692
>Post pics of your feet
Second this
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>>171043624
Shugoki with max throw and throw further feat
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>>171043374
>>171043391

>conq was chasing him around
>conq refused to chase him around


what happened was that Aarpian would constantly play right next to environmental hazards and would constantly go for them in every match

KR15 got pissed and pitched his tent elsewhere and whined to the mods of the tourney, arguing that as a Conq he has massive advantage when the whole fight is who can ledge first

the mods changed the rules so that every other round the players decide where they fight or something

other tourneys have started using boundaries on the maps folloinw that, fighting in one spot with no environmental and the other with.
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>>171043763

>Warden
>Skills

huehuehue
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>>171043968
well i'm becoming a fatjap now
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>>171043624
conq
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>>171042536
L I N K
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>>171044014
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>>171042947
>changing the image
WHAT ARE YOU DOING
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>>171043990
KR whined about every single map that have any kind of enviromentals
even in random map selects
not to mention he uses zone glitch every single time
and once aarp did it by accident he threw a fit to the mods
not to mention just backdashing away from every single engagement for conq to chase him
and once he refused he threw a fit once again

he is a nigger queer manchild, i have no idea why would anyone defend him
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>>171044405
>namefag

WHAT ARE YOU DOING
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>3 executions in elimination
>everyone runs away and you have to kill them with chase attack = no execution

>everyone takes pickups and tosses feats
>everyone has revenge gear

I swear, this is the most cancerous daily
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>>171043692
>Whatever metalkid267 mains
Certified big guys 4U Shugoki and Lawman
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>>171044461

hello Aarpian
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>>171044490

raider gets execute off of unblockable zone
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>Warden main trying out berserker
>Making high level enemies quit after two rounds because I'm mixing well practiced feints and parries in with combos

This is GREAT
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>>171044569
no
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>>171044490
Run around kill stealing with heavy attacks, you'll get it in no time.
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didn't some ps4 anon say that ge was gonna set up a groupchat?
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Angel wings mood effect when?
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>>171044461
I'm glad he lost in the 2v2. I normally wouldn't cheer for a Warlord and a Warden, but that duel of his was just fucking shameful. You should be embarrassed if you act like that and yet still complain about the other guy.
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>>171044310
oh hey its the shitter who cant parry pk.
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>>171044694
Knights.
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>>171044461
hey Tom the orbiter
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>>171044469
A nickname that someone in the Super Sekrit Xbox Klub gave me.

I just use it to @ metalkid in the thread when I can't play.
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>>171044775
no
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>>171044746

played against a Zerker yesterday who was insane at parrying PK lights, seems more and more people are learning how to, atleast on PC

not sure if it's really that much harder on console or if the shitters just use it as an excuse
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>>171044461
who is KR?
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>>171044490
Grab them and get a free heavy execute that way

Do you guys think this game would be better or worse without the low-health regen to one bar?
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>>171044751

Indeed. And Vikings can get bear/wolf skin ornaments/armor and roar emotes and Samurai can get air/water mood effects.
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>>171044793
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>>171044461
>being this mad about the best PK player in the world
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>>171044793
>black shoes and white socks
>dad jeans

metaldad267 more like it
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>>171044793
hot
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>>171044875
if you play aggressively enough then it doesn't matter and rewards the aggressor, if they don't then they have to find a way to get rid of it otherwise

as long as every character has a way to get rid of it in one go i think it's fine
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>>171044872
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>>171044872

KingRichard15, a twitch streamer
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>>171045043
Fucking disgusting.
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BEST
G
I
R
L
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>>171045043
Why
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>>171044960

best 2v2 and 4v4 PK maybe, not convinced he's the best duelist
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>only want to play brawls
>never any brawl orders

fuck you ubisoft i'm not going to play fucking skirmish
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>>171045091
Fuu is better
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>>171044960
>>best at a class that takes no skill to use and abuse
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>>171044598
>>171044674
>>171044875
>one good round when I get all 3
>lol nope they disconnect and the entire game kicks everyone
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>>171044863
>played against a Zerker yesterday who was insane at parrying PK lights, seems more and more people are learning how to, atleast on PC

Nah. More and more people are using the autoparry/autogb script that's floating around.
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Someone tell me secret raider tips.
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>>171044746
Not that fag. Parrying PK is piss easy unless you've literally never fought one. Just lacking in bait images so I used his.
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>>171045378

Feint. Cancel out of your unblockable zone and then do it again.
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>>171045378
Feint constantly.
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>>171044863
Game runs at 30 fps and lag spikes due to p2p, you're lucky if you block them.
Slower guard change characters literally can not win vs Valk and pk.

Every other hero is reasonably blockable and non slower guard swap can consistently parry.
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>>171044685
Yes, but this is /fhg/, did you really expect something to actually happen?
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>>171045385

Even for Lawman?
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>>171045352

nah, this guy didn't parry all of my lights, just many enough to wreck me

haven't run into anyone i suspect of cheating yet
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>>171044461
What a boring guy.
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>>171045352
can anyone share it
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>>171045043
He just looks like someone who can't do anything but complain

>it's ok when i do it, but you can't do it, gaylord!!!!
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>>171045443
What can I get off a wall throw?
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>>171045706
>wanting to get banned before centurion comes out

dumbassus maximus
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>>171045695
>valk runs in and starts spamming lights as soon as humanly possible
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>>171045378
You just wait until they are right under you then you jump.
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>>171045849
I hope he comes soon I wanna play him with a playerbase
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>>171045695

>Of course not
I can already tell which team won
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>>171045923
He comes out start of the next season.

Two months to go haha
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>>171045559

Lawman and Raider is confirmed for buffs, i'm expecting guard stance swap speeds buffed across all the fatty characters

it's harder on Lawman, but not impossible, the first stance switch is same across all chars, it's when you're swapping around constantly that it gets slower for some chars

as a LB vs PK the best strategy is probably to keep guard right at all times to block zones and parry lights on reaction, if you're blocking right he'll probably go top or left unless he decides to get fancy

they might try to feint heavies into lights, but each individual player usually has a pattern
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>>171044793
I won't settle for shoes. I want those feetsies fully exposed like a dirty slut!
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>>171045987

I just want him to be a little faster and have wallstun.
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>>171040043
constantine or konstantine or similar?
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>>171045695

lots of autism in this game
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>>171044970
>dad jeans
What the fuck are dad jeans? I have worn jeans all my life. What the hell am I supposed to wear, cargo shorts?
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>>171046173
>getting blown out by someone named Bigdikk-Chanka
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>>171046173
he is right you know
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>>171045043
he looks piss easy to beat.
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>>171046173
Finally a guy who says and does what is on all of our minds. Make this man president.
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>searching for game
>skill level: strict
>1.5 seconds later
>skill level: extended
>5 seconds later
>skill level: all skill levels
>end up in a game full of 10+ rep players with shitloads of gear
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>>171046173
>peaceshitter main
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>>171046398
>>171046451
>>171046519

i get the attitude some people have against PK's, it's the way he said it, normal people don't talk like that, they just call me a cancer faggot for playing an OP spammy class that takes no skill
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>>171046698
well hes kinda right
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>>171045352
except its easy as fuck to parry her lights when you can actually predict when she'll do em which is even easier since her range is piss poor.
but nooo im must be cheating.
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>>171046698

Normal people don't play PK so it makes sense to not speak to you like you're a human being.
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>>171046864
you know, just saying shit doesn't make it true. Also I can't believe I have to say this, since supposedly youre sooo good, but the PK, like other classes, can attack from 1 of 3 directions.
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>>171046902
the post of someone who cant parry shit.
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>>171046902

people play what they think is fun, no matter how good it is, that's why there are so many LB mains even though he's trash atm
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>>171046942
then I'll just record my next gameplay and convert it or make it a youtube video or some shit.
play enough keepers you get used to countering them.
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>>171046969
The post of people who play PK.
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>>171047024
LB is a cool guy, PK is a marriage between an edgelord and a town bike.

PK is the kind of girl your mom never warned you about because she couldn't comprehend a woman giving a rusty trombone on the first date.
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>>171046969
>fastest attack speed in the game
>>>can't parry shit

Actually the ability to parry a PK is emprically, the BEST parry ability conceivable. Like, its not "shit" its actually the highest tier. You can be really good at parrying, but not perfect. PK is at the top of the "difficult to parry" ladder. Especially since some matchuips make it impossible to react to.

>Just predict

isn't even advice, since you don't have anything to go on. You quote range as an indicator but she has 3 directons and speeds she can do, not to mention mixups.
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>>171047139
I play every character. its not my fault you refuse to learn how to counter certain characters.
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>>171047096
Everyone in this thread knows youre talkign shit and wont actually do it
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>>171047315
>I play every character

So you never actually get good enough with a character so that your skill rating goes up to fight against the GOOD PK players?
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>>171039860
OK I just got done explaining this to someone that said he was top 1% best players. None of the stats you showed are indicators of skill they indicate time played. Show k/d instead. It shows more than any of those stats combined.


>imblyin you can't divide
You get the point
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>>171047217
actually shes pretty easy. compared to characters with slow lights. you can fuck up the parry since you have to wait for flash. kensei top light fucks me time time simply because of timing.
pks lights basically start parryable.
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>>171047315
>>171047380

Sorry, "GOOD" PK players. The ones that don't spam side dash attack and their running lunge.
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>>171047217
range. as in if shes mid to long range she cant use lights only her dash heavies.
so if she walks in then you know what shes doing.
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>>171047517
most of them just whiff the first light intentionally, the range fix did nothing
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my PK winrate for duels is only 67%, i rematch against people who beat me and never ragequit though

PK doesn't feel OP in duels when facing a skilled opponent, i've been rekt by every character in the roster when there's a skilled dude behind the other controller

PK shits on unskilled people and casuals though, which is the vocal majority of the community, no wonder everyone hates her

although i 100% agree that she's OP as fuck during revenge mode in 4v4
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HYOOOOOOOO
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>>171047360
I'll do it nigger. I have everything set up in case I wanted to do something with recordings i make.
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>>171047698
shitters, everyone
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>>171047698
Like any character in any class based game she counters certain characters. The problem is the number she counters and the number she's countered by are few and far between. PK shits on the entire lower half cast of characters, is fairly competent against the upper half, and is 4/6 at worst against Warlord and Conqueror.
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>>171047673
you still don't know what guard she's attack from, and unless your psychic most classes cant even switch fast enough
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>>171038732
reported
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>>171047686

you can punish whiffers if you time your own attack properly, if you outrange her throw out your own fastest attack while she's whiff fishing
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>>171047867
>pk countered by literally anyone
t. shitter
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>>171047824

wanna do some duels? i like facing skilled opponents
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>>171047961
Shield characters with superior light block fuck with her shenanigans a lot, and Conq and Warlord's fairly same chip options put her in an uphill battle. Full block also shits on her mixups hard.
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>>171048104
So 2 characters

Out of 12 characters

Can beat a PK.

>"She's not OP guys!"
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>>171048064
Why the fuck would I want to duel against a PK let alone help a PK improve

>>171048104
>Shield characters with superior light block fuck with her shenanigans a lot,
not really
>put her in an uphill battle
top kek
>Full block also shits on her mixups hard.
yeah literally the only way to deal with her horse shit lights/zone is to block in all directions xd, and warlord's full block got nerfed
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>>171048104
Fairly safe*
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>>171047380
>skill rating
matchmaking barely meets the basic requirements. gonna disregard your "skill rating" argument. as for the reason I dont play only one character is because it gets boring as fuck when gear wins you the game. so get on my level nerd
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>>171047504
Like I said
>peace keeper did nothing wrong
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>>171048205

anon i'm starting to think you don't like PK's
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>>171048270
>only plays against people sub Rep 3 so he doesn't have to fight gear
Wow who would have thought the PK shitter would be a low level that only dies because they are shit and only fight shit players?
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>>171048169
I just said she was too good, why are you being such a faggot. I said she beats the entire cast except for two characters.

>>171048205
Superior light block makes it so she can't follow up on her lights, she has to set up her combos from a distance and risk getting hit. It's definitely an uphill battle for her because most of her offense is based around her AoE/light attack followups, something shield characters deal with well.
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>>171047517
i've parried those too. harder but doable sooo
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>>171048309
It got fucked up some how.
But you get the point.
Any other stats I need to prove?

I can never parry pk when I play raider, feels bad man
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>>171047883
then im a fucking demigod fuck. What do you want me to say? in the end I dont need to convince you to do it so what gives?
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>>171048737
I think he's trying to imply you're lying. Based on your reaction, I'm starting to agree with him.

Wouldn't happen to have any webms of you play lying around, eh? Of course not.
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>>171048737
The reason why I know youre full of shit is because being good doesnt somehow prevent PK from being OP. lets say you can parry everying she throws, at best that's an anecdote. The fact is that she ratchets up the skill floor exponentially for everyone, including you, you just odn't realize it. Im basing this off numbers. She has the highest switch speed, the best recovery, and the highest DPS for light attack spam. It actually doesn't matter how easy you think it is, what matters if how difficult all this is to react compared to the other characters in the game. That's called a meta.
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How do I git gud as a Lawbringer? The Bardiche is pure sex
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>>171048428
>Superior light block makes it so she can't follow up on her lights
You stupid fucking cunt. EVERYBODY has superior block vs lights. Superior block specifically gives him the same effect on HEAVY attacks.

You're a complete fucking idiot and I hope you choke to death on a gallon of Indian sewage.
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>>171048926
dude just like
parry her(make sure it's not a heavy feint or else you get gb'd for all your hp) and never make a mistake
it's that easy
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>>171048420
what the fuck game are you playin?
I still have to fight geared players.
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This was the most painful match i have ever had.
Are all high level conqs just complete faggots? So many weird indicator glitches i couldn't catch the charged heavy a single time.
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>>171038843
Weeb faggot.
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>>171048945
It's a poleaxe you...

UNCULTURED SWINE!

Also, just keep practising. Don't give up, learn your moves and throw people into walls.
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I made this for you /fhg/, i hope you like it
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>>171049137
Someone's mad the weebs won
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>>171048945
You have to feint and make hard commitments. Those sound contradicting but you have to use them both in tandem. There's times when you need to make a hard read to get damage and there's times you have to bait something out of them. You really have to learn his entire toolkit to use him effectively.
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>>171049082
>blocking your name out
why
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>>171048420
what?
you still fight high rep and max geared players regardless of time played on characters.
if anything it would be harder to start a new character due to the matchmaking in the game.
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>>171038938
Warden mirrors are honestly the only fun matchup for me anymore.
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>>171040798
This game doesn't lead to enough moments like this. The people playing it very rarely let it happen.
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>>171049082

LegionUnchained was in the latest tourney finals wasn't he?

most high level conqs abuse the shit out of their "unintended mechanics"
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>>171049082
Oooo you're in trouble now
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>>171049082
Explain exactly what he did by "indicator glitches".
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>>171048945
Sadly, with the slow classes getting good is more about gear then skill. Skill is surely a thing that's necessary but really, it just ends up being about who has the most bullshit gear. If you have a Orochi versus a Lawman for example, the fact of the matter is that no matter what, he can change his attack angle faster then you can change your block stance, so you MUST have proper gear to compensate.
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>>171048945
>>171049153
>>171049292

OR BECOME VERSATILE
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>>171045778
side heavy

top heavy sometimes
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>>171049418

>Aarpian

i thought this FHG felt a bit more PK hostile than usual
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>>171049418
>tourneyfags defending other tourneyfags
epic
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>>171049358
Warden fights are the fucking best. Probably not the only fun match for me, but definitely the highest.

I also enjoy fighting assassins that aren't PK, because baiting and parrying dash attacks is fun.
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>>171049253
Weebs have plot armor, not so much they won, but that they aren't allowed to lose.
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>>171049153
Standard is is, but one of the blades is a bardiche blade. It'll still have the spike and a small reverse blade though. Wish there was a class that used the Partisan though, favourite weapon aside from the Nagamaki
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>>171049585
the fuck is a tourneyfag? how is that an insult?
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>>171049553
I only posted once.
And to be fair that guy does deserve a painful death for being so retarded.
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>>171049468
Can you cancel this into GB? If you could bait the dodge and cancel it into GB this would be a ridiculous mixup for Law.
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>>171049468
Sorry, forgot to clip in the other parts.

Canceling GB into light attacks is hard as fuck to pull off, but damn it is funny when I actually do manage to do it in a fight
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Is there seriously no talk of a console Tourney allowed? I wanna cut my teeth on the supposedly skilled players here.
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>>171049597
But they lost the last round?
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>>171049253
i didnt even notice the faction war was over i just fucking hate actual weebs

dumb anime posters ruin threads and boards like a cancer
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>>171049702

i don't know Aarpie, you always get involved in PK debates
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>>171049783
How do you soft feint like this?
>>171049805
There was a 2v2 at Final Round.
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>>171049223
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>>171049736
Nope only cancel GB into lights
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>>171049869
yeah god forbid the good players chime in to tell you why PK is broken
t. not aarp
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>>171049872
>Final Round.
what
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>>171049805
You can probably get one going yourself, just for fun.

I'm sure many players here would be either eager to show everybody how great they are, eager to test themselves against /fhg/'s supposedly godly players, or just want to have some friendly fights.

I would join just for some fun.
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>>171049901
They should just make Long Arm a feintable move already. It doesn't get much out of it as is.
>>171049957
Fighting game tournament.
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New game mode ideas, doesn't matter if they'd work or not.
Capture the flag
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>>171049927
>aapin
>good
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>>171049223
>tfw like the orochi but fucking hate every single helmet
get rid of the fucking cloth and give me a real helmet. If you must cover the mouth give me a real mempo
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TWO HOURS
TWO FUCKING HOURS

EVERYTIME I JOIN A DEATMATCH IT JUST KICKS ME AT THE THIRD FUCKING ROUND WITHOUT ANY FUCKING WARNING

ITS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE I JUST WANT MY FUCKING ORDER TO BE DONE

WHO THE FUCK FUCKING THINKS THIS SYSTEM WAS STABLE AT FUCKING RELEASE HOLY SHIT UBISOFT I CANT BELIEVE I BOUGHT GOLD FOR THIS
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>The law will never know the maximum penetration of my German weaponfu
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Give me one reason for why you don't main Orochi or I'm going to guardbreak heavy you off a ledge.
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>>171050098
>you
>not shit
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>>171044746
psh,,,,,,,, you havent seen me at my worst,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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>>171049927

totally, Ubisoft should nerf PK's, i want nothing but Conqs and Warlords in my tournament finals, watching anything but headbutts/shieldbashes and environmental kills get so boring
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>>171049805
There are plenty of players in the /fhg/ club on xbox im sure you could find people to participate in a tourney there.
*shilling intensifies*
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>>171050095
>ctf
>no one plays anything but PK/orochi/berserker because they are the fastest characters in the game and you can just dodge roll onto the flag and be fine because you can't take damage or be grabbed while rolling
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>>171050295
Kensei is entirely irrelevant in either scenario, so explain to me why the fuck I should care.
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>>171050229

because Orochi needs a rework, he only has two viable attacks atm, zone and top light, anything else is free parries
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>>171050095
give everyone hyper armor and toss them into a ring with lava at the edges
now that's a brawl
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>>171049358
i agree
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>>171050229
I can't ever seem to parry or tech grabs with them, I can with every other class except orochi so they aren't a good fit for me. Clearly my reaction timing is having some sort of allergic reaction to them.
>>
is this game fixed yet
>>
After I reach Rep 10 on Lawbringer, I intend to start leveling Warden. What kind of difficulties will I have in adjusting?
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>>171050095
For Honor
Duel playlist mode that's a three way free for all with a player from each faction. First to three wins.
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>>171050191
AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN
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>>171050726
None. Literally none. You can only go up from LB.
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>>171050726
None, Warden has much better punishes and mixup potential.
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>>171050271
every conqueror above rep 2 is the same he's just the only one who showed up
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>>171048923
I can make some. Ive been offputting making recordings but now with the leak fixed and the connection problems easing I can make some videos.
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>>171050098
>You
>Not anonymous
Well fuck you too buddy
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>>171050560
full charged shoulder into top heavy feels so rewarding, but the timing always fucks me up, apparently you can land it without a wall
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>>171051036
charge it fully and input top heavy before it hits
works every time
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>>171050095
A game mode that gives you points per hit, tech, throw, execution or parry. three rounds, no ledging, one munite on the clock. Whoever has the most points in the end wins regardless of who killed who.
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>>171050560
>Literally got the killing blow because the other Warden was out of stamina and unable to roll away from the beyond broken vortex
So balanced! Seriously I'm fucking sick of fighting Warden's who spam their broken fucking vortex and my only option against it is to roll away, which costs half my fucking stamina, meanwhile he'll just vortex again and again until I can't roll anymore
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>>171051136
Assassins would dominate this mode
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>>171051337

Like every other mode?
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GIVE ME A FUCKING TENGU MASK GODDAMNIT
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>>171051391
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>>171051317
The Warden in the webm made a correct read by waiting for the side dodge, and instead held his shoulder to catch the end of it
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>>171051317
>not realizing i held of my attacks to not run out of stamina while he did not
>not managing your stamina because only 3 classes punish you when you are out
>not noticing how i stopped the vortex

git better
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>>171050095
1v1v1 or, if you like it, chaotic faction war, everyone goes mad, honor goes in the toilet 1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1
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>>171038732
ladies and gentlemen, PISSKEEPERS
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>finally get the Zelos helmet for LB
>two ranks away from Rep 3
>will probably get purple gear that's better that it but looks worse

Please tell me it's still worth it, Lawbringer has had the highest tier fashion so far.
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>>171051603
>lol just parry pk git gud
>wtf you parried pk? hax
just remove the fucking hero from the game
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>>171051654
you can just change the appearance of equipment for a handful of iron bolts, yanno?
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>>171051539

I always thought a 2v2v2 would fit this game perfectly, who gives a shit about balance anyways outside of duels and maybe brawl.

On an unrelated note, there really should a 4v4 playlist without feats and gear.
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>doing Dominion to level up
>still won't get EXP or rewards due to SERVER ERROR
>this has been going on for three days

What the FUCK is going on
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>>171042947
Why are fags swoon over ironchild?
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>>171051815
just remove the stats entierly
make the gear purely cosmetic, with the ability to add flashy stuff to it with steel
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>>171051832
>play For Honor
>download porn
choose one
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>>171051905

The fuck are you even on about.
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>>171051778

Not between rarities.
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>Keep getting Orochis who spam top lights, storm rush cancels, and zones
>Its fucking working because I haven't ever had to fight this

What the fuck is happening to me right now
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>>171051894
Nah, gear is a necessary evil. It prevents gangbangs because there's some abilities that are ridiculous in ganks, like Shugouki's Demon's Embrace.
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>>171051509
Wow so you mean it's easy to land when you don't use it when they dodge? What a shocker
>>171051524
You did not stop his vortex, you got lucky that the retard decided to cancel it into a GB that you canceled, had he raw shouldered you there would have been nothing you could have done to stop it.
Yes you managed your stamina well like anyone can, but that doesn't mean your vortex isn't broken bullshit. The only safe option to get away from a raw shoulder vortex is to fucking roll, which costs 50% stamina
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>>171052038
>Demon's Embrace.
gear doesn't help with any of that
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Have a question for you guys. Pretend for a minute that you don't get in a tizzy at the mere mention of Valk. Would it be fair to make shoulder pin do 1.5x-2x the damage it does now? Currently, there's never a good reason to use it over using a regular parry. I'm thinking that with that change, it would actually do something beyond leading into the easy to dodge shield bash.
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>>171052114
So are you making the argument that Demon's Embrace is too good or that gear isn't good enough?
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>>171049223
Thanks for the OC, anon!
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>>171052061
>The only safe option to get away from a raw shoulder vortex is to fucking roll, which costs 50% stamina
you do realize that stamina does regenerate right?
before he can catch up and do it again you already have 100% stamina again
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>>171040884

Dunno about fully charge but I know you can at least charge to lvl 1 with the side heavy
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>>171052249
>Dude it's fair that the only option is to roll away, costing you stamina so you have to wait for it to regen before attacking
You do realize that this traps me in an endless fucking loop if he decides to keep spamming his vortex right?
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>>171050095
Assuming the servers are ever fixed (they won't be enough for this) Siege. Eight players, two teams one defends a keep the other tries to take it. Both teams get a boost to their skill refresh rates, defenders get to activate the keeps traps or man its arbalist placements. Attackers must defend a ram or use catapult placements or try to set up ladders. Both sides get minions like Dominion to help and both sides get unlimited respawn until a breach happens, once the keep is breached, no respawn for either team.
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>>171052196
Gear is really stupid as implemented now because the stats don't make any sense. Attack/Defense don't do anything, and making a revenge build shouldnt even be allowed. Demons embrace is a tech grab so stats wouldn't ever do anything to stop it. The real stats should be like, stamina loss for using specials, actual attack and defense values, Zone attack doing more damage or something. The way it works now hardly makes any sense its almost as if they just tossed it in as a quick pay2win scheme.
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>>171050095
Assault map with attacker and defenders, take that Knight vs Viking story map where you play as the Lawbringer on the frozen lake and then attack the fortress, or the Vikings vs Samurai one on the beach. Just turn those into assault maps with several objectives.
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Is champion status worth 15k steel for a month? I hit prestige 4 and maybe 1 out of 4 dominions i get a purple. Does this actually increase the rate you get rare shit or just makes it so you get a piece of gear each match? Or i could use that to get 60 purples with steel boxes.
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>>171052349
not gonna start arguing now, since i am going to bed, but you questions have been answered many times
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King of the hill where yo ucan fight your friends 1v1 in a lobby, or in matchmaking, like any other fighting game.
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>>171052484
God no. Champion status and crates to some extent are fucking steel dumps.
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>>171052061
>>171052349
I have a feeling you don't understand what the basics of a mixup are, just people trying to guess each other, what are you whining about? You'd only get trapped if you were predictable as fuck or completely unable to read the attacker

webm related, possibly you?
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>>171052651
A mixup that chains into itself is fucking cancer and any fighting game worth its salt doesnt have them.
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>>171052731
>For Honor
>fighting game
Even though I agree with you, you're retarded.
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>>171051603
I think thats the same guy I called a niggerfaggot. said the same shit in response.
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>>171052731
there are 4 different ways to escape, 5 if you're playing a side dash attack character, but only 2 if you're out of stamina

complaining about one of the only fair offenses in the game is kinda why the game is dying, everything's reactable and predictable, and thus boring, just look at how many people bitch about warden and valk
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>>171052907
>five different ways to escape
Please enlighten me
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>>171052415
>Attack/Defense don't do anything, and making a revenge build shouldnt even be allowed.
Try to nullify your defense stat, you'll be suprised how much damage someone will do to you even from neutral if they have their attack maxed.
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>>171052824
It's stupid shit like vortexes and telegraph exploits that prevent from being one.

>>171052907
But a vortex is a cancerous solution. Yes it does solve the problem of passive play but in the worst way possible. It can't be "countered" in a true sense, you can't read it and punish for instance. The other problem is, I play a side dash attack character, and I can tel you, it only works some of the time. Sometimes I still get grabbed and I have no idea what its based on. There should be more mixup initiates and mixups in combos to extend them but right now the game is "who can spam unreadable/unpunishable attacks the fastest" Counterplay is completely limited to parries and no one is dumb enough to give a free one anyway.

I liked this game the best when no one knew parry timings and every fight was a matter of reading attack directions and trying to block or attack around it depending on the speeds. Now its super passive, and if I get caught in a vortex I know the guy I'm fighting has turned off the critical part of his brain. He's still passive since he's just following flowchart. And even if you break away, he can just do it again, no thought reqeuired. It's like he's playing a memory game, and I'm playing the worst version of whack-a-mole imaginable.
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>>171052163
no
giving her the deflect was a mistake anyway, berserker is the viking assassin
she doesn't need more utility
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>>171053347
>vortex
>vortex
>vortex
I fucking hate SF4 for inventing this term
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>>171051832
>mask coming off

gross
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>>171053230
Predict raw bash and dodge
Predict GB cancel and stand still to tech
Roll backwards
Light attack during Shoulder Bash startup (does not work with a tiny handful of meme characters but you shouldn't be playing those, you fucking hipster; works with majority of characters)
Side dash attack

Latter two lose to feint into parry but the Warden can't do this on reaction so you can bait him into it if he starts doing it
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>>171053230
I'll try:
>roll
>Orochi top light combo
>Warden side light combo
>activate revenge
>alt-f4

Did I do good?
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>>171050095
Honour Ball

6v6, with both teams awkwardly trying to get a single giant ball into the others goal using whatever means necessary to do so within the games physics. Both teams pick a goal keeper for the game as well.
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>>171051738
More and more this feels like the right idea.
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>>171051956
here's the secret
just block you moron. stop trying to parry
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>>171053403
>a mixup that chains itself with no resource cost and without a method to be countered

what do you wanna call it
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>>171053230
Successfully dodge the Vortex. You're not punished for guessing wrong: the Warden is rewarded for guessing right.

Roll back

Hit him out of it if you have a fast enough attack

Eat the shoulder and full stance cancel the damage, if you're on Conq.

Uhh

That's all I got, I think. Best guess is that the guy you're actually arguing with is counting all the different things you can do to counter whatever option Warden chooses as separate options, when only 2 of the 3 would ever be viable at one time.
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>>171053230
1. side dodge
2. tech the GB cancel
3. light attack or your fastest attack
4. sidedash attack
5. backroll

each of them has to be predicted by the warden to properly counter, otherwise he's punished or it's reset to neutral

>>171053347
>you can't read it and punish for instance
Yes, you can. If you know a warden will try to counter one of the above options, you can counter him in turn for damage, unless he does it in a way you didn't expect.

Blocking is far too easy in this game, and we need either a serious buff to feinting.
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>>171053347
>And even if you break away, he can just do it again
You can't Shoulder Bash out of neutral. You're letting him throw out light attacks or dashes for free because you're a retard.
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>>171053390
Give shoulder pin to LB.
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>>171053489
These are five potential ways to escape, all of which can be punished if you make the wrong decision, other than rolling. I don't think Warden is broken, but holy shit stop going to such ridiculous lengths to defend a character many agree is very strong.
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>>171053489
>predict

lmao this fagot actually thinks this word means anything

>. If you know a warden will try to counter one of the above options

Thats a big fucking if friend.
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>>171052907
1. standing still
>wins
cancel into an attack
cancel into gb
>loses
charge

2. dodging
>wins
cancel into an attack
charge
>loses
cancel into gb

3. light attack
>wins
charge
cancel into gb
>loses
cancel into a parry

4. side dash attack
>wins
charge
cancel into gb
cancel into an attack
>loses
cancel into parry

5. roll away
cancels it completely

when out of stamina
options are 1 or 2
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>>171053512
Yeah I figured it out on the third go.

Bigger problem was that I was feinting too much, really. Just stopped going for feints and parries and just blocked and hit the dude.
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>>171052731
What? There are plenty of vortexes in fighting games. SF4 had a handful of characters with some really nasty vortexes.
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>>171053659
Well, if you predict right then you don't get hit. What's the issue? It's not like the Warden chooses his option in reaction to what you do, he's either flipping a coin or acting based on conditioning (i.e. if you dodge a lot he's going to GB cancel a lot).
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>>171053503
>A game mode where the Conq may actually be useful

Nonsense
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>>171053838
Conq is useful in every gamemode you shitter

He is unarguably one of the top tier classes right now.
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>>171053390
>no
That's fine, but why not? I wanted to discuss it
>giving her the deflect was mistake anyway, berserker is the viking assassin
Valk is a heavy/assassin hybrid. I'm not saying she needed it, but I feel like that's enough reason for her to have it.
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>>171053838
t. Account Rep 0
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>>171050095
I would suggest Jousting, but that'd be only a knight faction game mode.
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>>171053817
And if you predict wrong, you lose like athird of your health. even if you predict right, you can't trade for that much damage unless you're also a warden. Not everyone has one ergo warden is OP
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>>171053623
People have been saying since day 1:

EVERY CHARACTER SHOULD BE BUFFED UP TO WARDEN'S LEVEL

Valk got this and surprise, people are bitching about her

Also holy fuck the reason why everyone is misunderstanding why Warden is balanced:

You lose nothing if the Warden guesses wrong, the Warden has a make a 1/5 guess based on your behaviour if he ever charges shoulder.

If he guesses you'll side dash attack, and you wait for a GB cancel, he'll cancel his shoulder and have nothing to parry. You can extrapolate this with any of the other options.
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>>171053950
>24 dmg from double side lights
>athird of your health
>meanwhile PKs get 35 damage off of a single dash attack, Orochis get 32 off of a single top light, etc
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>mfw I realized that some poor sucker bought 1 year champion status because he thought the game was going to last that long
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>>171053950
>And if you predict wrong, you lose like athird of your health
No character has health so low that 26 damage is a third of their health. The lowest health pools in the game belong to the Assassins at 120, it's not even a fourth of their health (unless the Warden does a side heavy for 30, which ends the vortex anyway)
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>>171053957
I dont think most people here will reach this level of understanding.

They just wanna press buttons and win without any mind games
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>>171053590
>we need either a serious buff to feinting
>lets buff assassins to the broken stage and make the whole game about spamming shit with infinite feinting
Lmao.
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>>171054103
Not him but personally I just don't think that a knight swordsman should do stupid shit like that.
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>>171054162
24, my bad. Even lower by 2 points than what I remembered.
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>>171054235
what did he mean by this?
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>>171050095
Minion Launch: players compete to see who can ledge a minion with most accurately down a cliff. Whichever team can land their minions closest consecutively to the painted bullseye below them wins.
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>win a Dominos
>game crashes

I SWEAR TO FUCKING CHRIST. If it's not the servers giving me my rewards it's this shitty game giving me the finger straight up my urethra
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>>171050095
8 man horse racing, every man for himself, based on the Viking Story Chapter 1 horse chase sequence.

You can attack nearby enemies with melee to slow them down or knock them off the course.
You can also pick up randomized boosts that give you speed, a shield, the ability to throw firebombs behind yourself or call a catapult strike on the guy in 1st place, etc.
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>>171053817
>What's the issue?
Clearly this shouldnt be all about prediction, you must be able to react.
Conq cant cancel his shield bash, warlord cant cancel headbutt, you can dodge this openers, without easy punishing, yeah, but still. In case of warden it leads to a too much of a guessing game and no proper punish for warden if you guessed him right.
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>>171054346
The bulls-eye changes location every round and on the way down the minion may bounce off hazards that change where he might land.
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>>171054693
>Clearly this shouldnt be all about prediction, you must be able to react.
If every offensive move in the game is reactable then we'll get a stale defensive meta.

Oh wait, we're already there, which is the only reason Warden and Valkyrie stand out.

Every character should have a move or two you can't 100% punish on reaction.
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>>171054192
>let's make the game even shittier and more defensive because ONE hero has ONE unreactable attack
hilarious

>>171054693
they don't need to because all of those are much faster/safer than Warden's shoulder, it's the reason why they're extremely strong and seen constantly in tourneys

there is a proper punish

you can smack him with a light out of raw shoulder or deny his GB cancel with it

you can feint a heavy then GB his parry attempt

the list goes on, but the reason is that Warden shoulder forces your opponent to do SOMETHING, instead of just sit there waiting for something they can parry
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>>171052547
>I-I can't defend how broken the vortex is and why I should be allowed to be able to spam it over and over punish free so I'm done posting!
Bye
>>171052651
Except Wardens vortex is punishment free. The only safe option is to roll away, because if you guess wrong you're getting your shit pushed in.
Wardens vortex is a low skill high reward option that can be spammed over and over again for little stamina
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fricken ted
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>>171054630
As if FH doesn't make people angry at each other enough already.
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>>171046173

>That emblem

Unf
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>>171050095

"No Revenge" mode.
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>>171054962
No, if the Warden guesses right, you take some damage. If he doesn't, you get a light hit or a free GB. You must be a shitter or something that gets spammed to death because the concept of "what will my opponent do next" is beyond your grasp.
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Does anyone have a good video/streamer/guide to link to for Valkyrie?

I have no friends that play her so beyond just paying more attention to enemy Valks and practicing on my own I have no reference points.
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>>171045921

>mfw pulling this off for the first time

Glorious
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>>171055247
People get used to beating day one scrubs with reactive play and parries for ez frags, then think it's bullshit when a character can actually counter that playstyle.
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>>171055247
>Dude it's 100% fair to for Warden to spam the same move over and over again because you can counter it!
>How do I counter it?
>Guess lmao, what you can't guess good? You must be a shitter
How desperate are you to try pretending that his vortex isn't broken?
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FUCKING STOP
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>>171055474
>I'll just use greentext to paraphrase the opposing viewpoint in the least credible manner possible
>This'll let me win the internet argument!
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>>171055474
If you get hit by the same reactable mixup over and over, despite the counter being listed in this very thread, you're getting outplayed, deal with it.
>>
also for those having a tough time with parrying pk (let alone block, how depraved), then just go aggressive. as a pk alot of my losses were because I got out aggroed and fotced into a corner. pk plays like an outfighter and was designed as one. punish the ones trying to infight like a moron or better yet dont let them. blocking a couple lights will force em to rethink and dash out for air
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>>171053792
SF4 was kusoge
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>>171055587
You've literally said the solution is to guess and hope you picked right.
>>171055637
Tell me exactly how you are meant to guess correctly 100% of the time when he's changing it up unpredictably.
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This FUCKING GAME IS KILLING MY POSTURE

SOMEONE POST THE ""GOLEM GET YE GONE"" MEME PLEASE
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>>171055871
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>>171055771
Unless you're fighting a bot, your opponent will always be at least somewhat predictable, based on personal habits or conditioning based on your own playstyle.

This isn't Mortal Kombat 2 AI where your opponent perfectly reads your inputs to always do the correct move.

By far the most common cause of death to Warden vortex is dodging too much; as such, most Wardens GB cancel more often than not.
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>>171055771
because you have a 75% or greater chance to get out every time? If you keep getting hit, you're either predictable as fuck, EXTREMELY unlucky, or just awful at the game and can't time anything.
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what should i play if im completely worthless at fighting games (regardless of whether the game itself is a fighting game), and by worthless i mean 'have never finished even half a campaign of a fighting game on easiest difficulty' worthless
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>>171055907
GOLEM GET YE GONE
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How should I punish parries as Raider? I usually go for top heavy but I don't know if that's my best option. Also, what's my opening move? Finally, quickest way to level up?

Thanks amigos.
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>>171055921
This is like saying rock paper scissors is a fun and competitive game

>just guess right
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>>171056250
Side Heavy, Top is too slow and can be blocked. I usually play patiently as raider and wait for opening through opponent mistake or parry opening, otherwise, stunning tap is a good way to start.
>fastest way to lvl up
Dominion for everything
SOURCE: Rep 5 Raider
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>>171056250
Top Heavy is your best punish when applicable (probably only after lights? i dont play raider but thats how it is for Lawbringer). Other than that, guardbreak who you can, and settle for lights when you have to.
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>>171056426
as opposed to the shitty meta we have right now of "hope the other guy does something first"?

PK/conq/warlord are broken currently for their unreactable, no risk offenses, warden/valk/shug are bitched about because they're fair, and the other 6 characters are trash tier in comparison
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>>171050095
Chicken. Orochi's only, ever attack is Storm Rush.
>>
I've been away for a while. Did they patch out Warden's quickdraw up light or is that still there? It seemed like the quickdraw was gone last time I went Warden.
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>>171056591
>3 characters are fair while 6 are shit

do you even know what youre saying
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>>171055907
GOHLEM GET YEH GOONE
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>>171056497
Thanks man, I too want to be legendary.
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Eh, still better than SFV
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>>171055907
Thank god I'm not browsing /d2g/

GOLEM GET YE GONE
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>>171055907

GOLEM GET YE GONE
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>>171056705
yes

top tier: pk/conq/warlord

good tier: warden/valk/shug

POWER GAP

trash: orochi/berserker/nobushi

sad: raider/kensei/LB
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Whats the best way to land a heavy and execute when being 4v1 as Peacekeeper?
I'm tired of faggots rezzing on be but PK's heavies are hard to hit with
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>its another rep19 orochi ragequits at 2-0 episode

i hate this show
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>>171057171
her dash attacks are all heavies
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>>171057171
It's impossible to execute without revenge in an any 1v4 regardless of who you're playing.
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>>171057107
>The overall agreed broken and cancer warriors of the game are the best
THISFUKINGUY
can you even play the game?
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>>171057306
Yea but honestly any skilled player can parry them
>>171057314
It's harder to be 4v1 for some classes than others
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>>171057367
no shit?
i'm not saying it's fair, but they are the strongest for retarded reason
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>>171057107
could someone please explain to me why conqueror is fairly widely considered to be up there with warlord/pk?
not as though i'm disagreeing or anything, just purely anecdotally i can say that i can comfortably fight every single conq ive come across in duels.
he doesnt have any free damage in the way that pk/warlords do
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>want to start playing Lawbringer just so I can dab after every duel
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>>171057545
shield bash confirms into a light hit

shield bash has full block on the startup

shield bash starts up faster than any other push in the game

shield bash drains more stamina from the target than the user

shield bash, if dodged, recovers fast enough to block/parry even the fastest sidedash attacks, and can tech GBs

when out of stamina, a conqueror can sprint at you for a slam/gb 50/50 which floors for you for 30+ dmg charged heavy

conq has few offensive tools, but his defensive ones are impossible for most characters to overcome
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>>171057450
>It's harder to be 4v1 for some classes than others

So fucking true. My Kensei 1v4 I can handle things and maybe get some work done. My Sugoki 1v4 I just hope I get a good revenge parry :-(
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>Played a load of Kensei
>People complained about guardbreak spam and "lighting fast attacks"
>Switch to Raider
>People still complain about guardbreak spam and heavy to top light
>Switch to Warden
>Ragequit increased by 50%

Do I have to play lawbringer for people to stop being bitches?
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>>171055907
GOLEM GET YE DONG
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>>171058307
People are going to bitches no matter what because they are, in all actuality, bitches.

Just play what you want my dude. Doing well with Kensei is fucking commendable.
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>>171057979
yeah so these are all nice but i guess i'll elaborate what i mean a bit more
all of conquerors offensive options branch off of the shield charge which i (and so should most high level players?) am able dodge that with 100% (maybe 95%) consistency. a good defensive conqueror as you say can completely shut down any attacking player and can be impossible to hit
in the end this just results in a stalemate and my point is that ill often get into a stalemate with a conqueror whereas a peacekeeper or warlord has the tools to gradually wear me down
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>>171057171

you're spamming zone cancel too much, during revenge your light attacks has no recovery on block, mix it up, and forget about execute in 1v4, sit on the corpses and hope that none of them has a ress build
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>>171057767
how do you dab!!!

>>171058307
No, I play lawbringer and people will still bitch about absolutely anything you do. You are going to have to accept that people are big faggot babies.
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>>171057767
Oh... Shugoki dabs...
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>>171058503
>in the end this just results in a stalemate
Yes, this is current state of high level play.

PK and Warlord get around this by having unreactable/unpunishable or unreactable/unblockable attacks like her zone and headbutt, it's the reason why they're the only 3 seen in top level play
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QUICK, CLAIM YOUR MAIN BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE DOES.

IF SOMEONE ELSE CLAIMS YOUR MAIN, YOU HAVE TO PLAY ANOTHER CHARACTER FOR THE REST OF THE ROUND.
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>>171058754
>>171058754
Kensei
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>>171058754
Warden
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>>171058590
he's just smelling his own yeast
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>>171058754
I. AM. THE. LAW.
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Look how pathetic my social life is.

But i am having fun and that's almost all that matters.

I wish I could stop getting hate mail.
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>>171058701
yeah okay so you agree and i guess its just me being pedantic but wouldnt this logically put conq below wl/pk?
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>>171058754
WARDE-

>>171058873
fug
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>>171058754
RRRRRRAAAAIIIIDDDEEERRRR
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>>171058754
Valk, I guess.
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>>171045778
With people who are bad, you can get a heavy in often yea. But it's normally best to start your light mix-up game. You get one free Light in after they hit the wall, then you can follow up with your combo, or grab, or feint, or butt tap.
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>>171058914
>That steel
How?
>>
Kensei players: If you had to give a guy ONE tip for gitting gud at Kensei, what would you say?

I'm trying to improve but I feel like I'm lacking
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>>171058754
Roach. No shame here.
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>>171059123
Learn to get the dash GB. It's easier and safer than parrying, and just as rewarding.
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>>171059123
learn how to react
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>>171059092
I hoard it. I haven't really bought anything other than the LB mythic skin and some crates, maybe two emotes.
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>>171049859
> hating anime on 4chan
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>>171058754
lawman
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>>171059130
There's no shame playing Roach in high level games. Dude is just a shitty Warden.
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>>171059216
Bad news, brother. You have to give up the Order.
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>>171058754
CONQA CONQA
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>>171059198
>2 emotes compute into like 7,000 steel.
>Another thousand or so in crates and that mythic skin and there goes like 15k at least.
How? 2
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>>171058754

Peacekeeper XD
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>>171058754
Peacekeeper
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>>171059287
ah yeah fuck might as well give up the whole game theres literally noone else worth picking
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>>171059373
Dude, he's fucking got 23 Rep. He's played a fucking lot: that's how he has so much steel.
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>>171059452
>>171059457

sry mate, 3 seconds too late, PK is mine!
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>>171059457
>3 seconds too late

Peachshitters everyone
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>>171059373
Well i've done every single order except for one i accidently deleted, and i DO play a lot of dominion.

I mean of course i do play a shit ton too.
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>>171059203
Anime posters are obnoxious.
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>>171059518
>>171059601
Jesus, all that spare time in your hands
~~~~~~~
Any Lawbros planing on getting the pony emote?
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>>171059452
>>171059457
Would have beaten him to it without the pointless picture, you deserve to play LB for the rest of the round!
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>>171059156
easier than parrying? damn. I suppose i'll give it a shot, but I haven't once been able to gb people out of swings in this game, though i've had it happen to me a couple of times

>>171059178
i'll do my best, thanks
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Snowy Citidal Gate has to be the most comfy fighting arena, right?
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What's better for my Warlord sword? I'm thinking stamina cost reduction as my main stat, but then should I go for attack or defense?
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>>171059736
i like rainy cathedral
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>>171059769
Defense probably, make Warlord even a bigger tank than he already is.
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>>171048945
You can throw people for a loop with the shove, you can chain it into anything, not just guard break. shove into overhead light is really good. Learn to parry. Overhead light is really good quick damage. Your overhead heavy has fucking enormous lunge range, you can catch people off guard with the distance. Learn to beat dodge spammers by feinting an overhead heavy and then parrying them to the side (you get a free side heavy). If you back them into a corner use the pole flip and they can't dodge it.
Also get the shiskabob execution otherwise it's not worth playing this garbage ass character
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>>171059736
I would have said snowy River Fort but that map got pulled from the game.
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nothing you can do about a peacekeeper or orochi in elimination just immediately scooping up all the power ups. this goes double if the speed boots are in the vicinity.

why are they there when they are mostly just for two characters provided the player is enough of a fucking faggot to do this?
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Remember to pray that this game doesnt die till the centurion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqaWsxXrJSw
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>>171059736
forgot pic
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>>171059871
>shove into overhead light is really good
lol

it's 42 frames
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>>171059865
Will the low attack make it harder to land executions?
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>>171059769
defense > attack > stamina cost reduction

there is no problem really with being out of stamina, and you have infinite stamina in revenge so it doesn't do anything then. and in these cancer getting modes you're in revenge a lot, devaluing an already-weak stat.
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>>171059914

Keep the fire of rome alight
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>>171059914
>No Viking DLC Characters
Why do people not wish to dine with the Gods in Valhalla?
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>>171060148

Your getting pirates my boy
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>>171060148
Dude, stop whining. Obviously your faction gets the Skeleton Twins down there.
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>going from Lawbringer to valk for achivement

Holy shit the difference is amazing. I feel unstoppable and can actually hurt people normally.

Working on kensei now for achievement, what do i do?
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>>171060148
>no Viking characters immediately
>Vikings bitch about being forgotten and Ubisoft doesn't care about them

>Ubisoft announces 2 new Viking characters
>Viking players bitch that their other classes needed buffs and Ubisoft doesn't care about them
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>tfw only global rep 7
>dont give a shit about paying for cosmetics
>hoarded 31k steel and counting cuz only rep 3 is Mr. Law to get Epics on and he's already got alright gear
>tfw once im rep 3 on my Warden I can use my Weeb Winners Round 3 boxes and all my Salvage from only playing knight characters to get 108 instantly
best feel desu
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8 decides my new character to rank up
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>>171060536
shugoki
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>>171060536
Whatever your current character is.
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>>171060536
Shugoki's a big guy.

For you, that is.
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>>171060536
berserker
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>>171060536
The Law
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>>171060536
Shuggah
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What is the most A E S T H E T I C hero? I need to figure out who to level up next

Global rep level is 6 and nobody's higher than rep 1
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http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1583444-Remove-Emote-Spam?s=e800594e958da34f6c8e0e96c420f483
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>>171060536
Cockroach.
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>>171060536
Have fun spreading the Law
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>>171060001
>there is no problem really with being out of stamina
Being out of stamina gets you punished heavily if they can land a GB and knock me down
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>>171060536
Peacekutie
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>>171060805
> people like this exist
>>
>want to powerlevel in Dominion
>games are nothing but 108 shitter assassins, Wardens and the occasional Warlord

You know what, I can't wait to join those shitters in 108 realm with my LB where I can spend more time in revenge than out of it.
>>
>>
>Hey guys how about we make an order that does nothing but encourage people to be complete faggots and kill steal xD!
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>>171060536
Peacekeeper.
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>>171060942
when you're out of stamina you should be concerned about that and ready to counter the guardbreak. before you know it, assuming your exhaustion recovery is decent (and it should be because that's on a piece that doesn't also have atk and def and has a clear trash stat - revive speed maybe), you're back in business

once you get more experienced the only time you're realistically going to be guard broken is in group fights and then you have your revenge for infinite stam

trust me. it's not even close. def > atk > stam on weapons for every character.
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>>171060536
Bushi-neenee
T.doc
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>>171061092
>Hey how about we make every order require to play shitty 4v4 gamemodes
>And hey, while we're at it let's make non-vanguard orders just to fuck over people that like vanguards. Only non-vanguard: we don't need a non-assassin or non-heavy Order.
>Let's also force people to fight AIs, because that's what they enjoy doing!
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>>171051836
>>171044405
>>171043634
>>171043535
>>171043062
>>171042965
>>171042947
The fuck is going on here
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>>171061330
Hot new xbro meme.
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I parried a peacekeeper light today /fhg/


So this is the power of playing any character other than Lawbringer.
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>>171061330
He's our smexy ferrous father that always issues the call of duty to the brothers of the X
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Guys what ever happened to river fort? Its not even in the list of maps
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>>171061232
I'll give it a try if I find a sword with those stats
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>>171042330
They're frenchmen, the armor would probably be a motivator for them, more so since it's dlc.
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>just made rep3 and dropped some steel to get some proper-looking gear
>queue skirmish
>i'm the highest on my team at ilvl 70something
>rest of team is rep1 and rep2 fellas
>enemy team is 3 rep0's and a rep8 108 peacekeeper
>she carries the team with 14 kills, blowing through our entire team multiple times with revenge zone cancel spam
I think I killed her once with a lucky parry edge kick. That's it. She was a literal blender on legs.
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>>171061330
I was actually thinking of joining the xbone group, but now I'm thinking they're gay
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>>171061330
Our lord and savior
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>>171061497
The map apparently had an exploit that they're looking to fix.
Probably a way to get outside the map and make yourself invincible
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>>171061642
Just join the party and see for yourself :)
We're on right now~
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>>171061642
PLEASE join us we are so lonely
If 5 you must join.
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>>171061850
Rerollan
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Can someone tell me why she could tech the gb?
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>>171061945
oh bby
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post em
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>>171062003
Because she knows it's coming.
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>>171062003
You parried her out of stamina and she was falling. For some strange ass reason, if you're collapsing, you can tech a GB.
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>>171062003
Cancer cancels out cancer
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>>171062073
>>171061945
Samefag
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I have a really faggot order which is forcing me to play as a vanguard so how do I warden really quickly
>>
https://youtu.be/mzKQ6H01Dpk

rate my Zerker play
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>>171062158
spam over heads + zone attack every once and a while.
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>>171062095
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>>171062158
da fundamentals
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>>171061642
Nothing wrong with being a faggot.
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friendly reminder that if you are an 'honor' faggot in anything otuside of duel game mode you are a nigger and whats wrong with the game.
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>>171062146
TRAITOR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p83F7NU6mI
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>>171062378
It's actually quite the opposite.
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>>171060536

Peacekeeper
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>>171062095
>>
just once id like to be matched up against someone who is actually my skill level

i think ill just fight bots from now on. at least there i dont get paired with rep 8 120 geared players that wipe the floor with me without even trying
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>>171062003
>when you're about to lose but there's a ledge nearby
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>>171062378
These "honor" rules are set up by DaSfags. Even the devs stated that it wasn't the way they intended for the playerbase to play the game. We have environmental deaths for a reason. The environmental deaths also keeps you on edge and reminds you of your positioning.
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>>171062635
>gets greedy and throws out a wild swing rather than seeing to his position
>punished for it

Nothing cancerous about it anon, well fought.
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>>171062095
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>>171062792
this shit is sasuke tier
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>>171060759

HELP
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just ran into a prestige lvl 28 conq who told me he didn't afk farm

is it even possible?
>>
Can someone actually explain to me why Bleed exists as a mechanic? It's not fucking like Nobushi and Peacekeepers damage isn't fucking good.
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>>171062869
if he plays conq in nothing but dominion and stomps literally every game, never taking a break except to eat a fucking protein bar and piss and shit then yes it is possible.
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>>171062792
It doesn't look good when the brand is cut on the top... or cut off at all

>>171062864
Always warden

But if you find the nippon culture more attractive, Id say Kensei.
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>>171062869
dominion gives about 700+ exp if you do good but he'd have to play a whole lot every day. I can't imagine anyone not getting sick of it after a day or two.
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>>171062972
getting stabbed by a dagger tends to cause someone to bleed. Getting poked in your eyeball with a 5 foot long spear also tends to cause bleeding.
>>
>start execution match
>my opponent immediately runs
holy fuck seriously, this is awful
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>>171061808
>>171061850
>>171062370
Seriously are you guys a bunch of fags or not? I'll join if it's just playing the game and some memes, I'm not looking for literal faggots flirting with each other in the party chat
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>>171062580
that's nice anon, my family crest is just three fish
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>>171063154
Nah we're a bunch of conservative normies. The blackest guy here is like 1/8 Mexican
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>>171063154
We are not fags i swear. Dont let some memeing people on the general make you miss oit on an opportunity to play with more people
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>>171062972
In theory, nobushi's damage being mostly DoT should encourage her to be aggressive (because of her passive making her do more damage on a bleeding enemy). In practice nobody cares and they all turtle.

In PK's case it probably slightly hides how much fucking damage she really does.

Fuck bleed.
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>>171063154
>coming to /vg/
>don't expect any form of faggotry

Come on now.
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so why is it when two people gang up on me i die instantly in one or two hits from the person to my back yet when i do the same to someone else they take basically zero damage even without revenge or shield buff?
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Stop bullying peace keepers
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>>171060759
law and warden, but warden doesn't get good cosmetics so you have to like his basic getup.
Warden has better animations in my opinion. That up stance is glorious.
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>>171063092
That doesn't explain why it is a game mechanic.
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>>171038732
Source?
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>>171063429
probably a defense build.
Or your attack isnt maxed
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>>171062378
>>171062731
I got to agree and disagree. I understand if people don't play with honor, it's part of the game. However, I choose to play with honor sometimes just to see if I'm better than other people. I think that's how you grow in skill in the game so I prefer to play that way. But sometimes I just want to win or whatever and I'll gank. Why not both?
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>>171042536
I wish it was true
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I have a lawbringer and raider that are at least rep 3.

Who next do?
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>>171063429
if you're talking about warlord not taking any damage, well that's the state of the game right now. With the right build, even a top heavy from warden doesn't do a bar of damage.
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>>171063302
So do you guys just build a wall around his posts in the group or what
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>>171062792
Griffith did nothing wrong
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>>171062824
Not even remotely, vaguely, beginning to reach the same ballpark within the same solar system.
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>>171063092
So katanas, dane axes, ulfbhert swords, claymores, flails, poleaxes, and axes wouldn't cause someone to bleed profusely if they were stabbed or slashed with one? gotcha.
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>>171063587
only if you buy this shitty game anon.
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>>171063726
Kensei
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>>171064023
Ok, sounds like fun.

Any tips? I think I have used him like once before.
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>>171063768
No he's so white he has to tell you or else you couldn't tell.
We did have a tawp foh in the wawld Wahlaurd that we teased the fuck out of, but that was mostly because he thought he was top shit and had a retarded-ass ghetto Louisianan accent.

We're not open about politics or anything stupid, just regular dudes from the midwest and west coast that play until 4:00am
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>>171063684
wanting to win and wanting to learn aren't always the same thing
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>>171064001
Only thing keeping from doing it is shitty internet connection and not having the correct platform to play with the people I'd want to play with.
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>>171063481
When you can interrupt a top light from warden on reaction without getting hit yourself, there's an issue somewhere.
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Dumping webms, peace keeper did nothing wrong
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>>171064120
>Midwest and west coast

Ah, the dregs of america.
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>>171064163
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=20391
>>
people who come and run up heavy attack an opponent someone else is engaging for an easy execution all need to fucking be euthanized.
>>
>NAT suddenly goes from Openly Green to MaybeRestricted Yellow
>For 2 days cannot find the reason.
>On 3rd day realize I still haven't set up Static IP for computer
>>
>do daily orders
>wow elim was cancer
>maybe i'll just try to have a fun duel
>LOL PK
This game is going to die so fast, I really wanted to like it too

>>171064298
Why is it allowed that PK can react to literally anything with zone, and her backdash is faster than every character can run, let alone forward dash?
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>>171064298
>weeb emblem
I bet you were originally an orochi, but he wasn't cancer enough so you moved up the tier list.

I swear, most PKs I meet online have only played assassins and complain that everything else is too slow. Kids all have adhd nowadays.
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>>171064450
Aw shit thanks
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>>171062972
If I were to replace bleed, as it's functionally identical to poison. I would instead make it a persistent debuff that causes any following attacks to just hurt more.
>>
Anyone know how to pull off berserker's slash rush? I keep doing the input and a zone comes out. I did it once by accident and the berz did a cool running forward animation
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>>171064648
I main Peace keeper and raider, lmao lots of keepers do say that
>>171064619 Because she top tier and has too much tools, I'm not going to drop her because I liked her since the beta and her gear.
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>>171062095
>>171062278
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>>171060536
Kensai
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>>171064830
Why did you go with the weeb faction then? It makes no sense.
>>
>>171046173
Oh my god your graphics are amazing. I might have to upgrade.
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>>171060148
Vikings are pretty covered as it is, the only thing left for them is a Thor knockoff with a big dumb hammer.
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>>171040798
the bleed is pretty nice
quick revive is good
revenge attacks meh
firebomb meh
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>>171064937
I thought that the weebs would win more because of the samurai hype. In the beta I was a knight.
>>
>Play Elim.
>I'm a Knight.
>My 3 other team mates are Samurais.
>3 Opponents are Knights
>With 1 Samurai.
>Act like I'm being serious but keep losing on purpose.

I hope you knight fucks are deplying assets on places that need them.
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>>171041737
try switching up the directions of your light attacks
as a PK main after i learned this advanced trick i found i could take on pretty much anyone
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>>171065214
I see you do whatever you can to win, even betray your faction of choice.
As expected of a PK main.
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Is there anything more fun than killing bad assassin players?

I always hope I was the last straw for some budding assassin main who'll pick up a different class.

>>171065302
The only thing that matters is individual player score so you were only hurting the knights budday
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>>171065302
>caring about war assets
I don't give a h*ck!
>>
>>171038784
Samurai OP pls nerf

>be me
>be shugoki in 1v1 duels
>be green because too much yung maestro and iron pineapple
>get a match
>discover its a lawbringer
>'bring on the law m8'
>map: the village
>start off at the bonfire at the center of the map
>nothing too showy, just standard gameplay, a few uninterruptible top heavies while moving through hits, finish with successful demon's embrace 1 hit ko
>LB: 'Wow!' x3
>second round
>'ok come on show me something'
>beat LB into a corner using same tactic, out of stamina heavy attack followed by an execution
>'ok he has to be sick of this shit already'
>round 3
>attempt to charge LB off ledge
>fail miserably, expect death immediately
>LB's uninterruptible grab where he flips you behind him
>LB guardbreak
>counter
>repeat x3
>end up counter guard breaking LB off the ledge
>'Wow!' x3 followed by disconnect

not sure if Shugoki OP or just bad LB
>>
So what's the best powerlevel method?
I want to get my Warden up to speed.
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>>171065472
Yeah but me dying alot to Knights meant those knights had better player score. I kept executing and ledging that samurai though.

Also why the fuck won't people execute or guard corpses on elim. So many times one fuck with speedy revive and speed would just revive everyone
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>>171065383
I know, I'm terrible shitter. Some day i'll learn law bringer to make up for it. Right now raider is good enough
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>>171051317
>Never canceled into a GB
Even if he did that wouldn't have been a vortex, so this just makes you look extra retarded. Is Conq's shield bash a vortex too?
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>>171065662
They were obviously knights on alt accounts tanking their score on purpose and the knights were samurai on alt accounts
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>>171060148
>>171065086
No, we need a big dude with fist weapons, I don't care if the cent might have a caestus, his executions won't be good enough if he's not a rippling muscleman.
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>>171065604
nice blog
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>>171053489
>there are 5 ways to escape
so by 5 ways to escape you mean 5 different ways you can potentially escape or get punished based on if you guess correctly
that doesn't count you retard
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>tfw hate M/Keyboard but whenever I try it it feels incredibly responsive and smoother over all
Do I just have a shitty controller or what?
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>>171066313
If it's so much smoother and responsive why do you hate it?
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>>171065604
>>be green because too much yung maestro and iron pineapple
What? Are you talking about your colour scheme
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>>171055907
GOLEM GET YE GONE
>>
>Dodge the warden's shoulder to the side
>Misses me
>I still stumble with no way to respond

Who, uh, designed this?
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I apologize ahead of time if this question is asked a lot, but is parry timing universal or is it character specific? Because I was parrying everything as the law but in trying the Kensai I can't seem to parry shit.
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>>171066535
he's talking about copying ecelebs. If you didn't realize this yet with >be me, the he reeks of /b/ and reddit.
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>the kensei ornaments are real
>>
>tfw you played PK and Roach in the Beta and thought they were OP
>tfw you get the full game hyped for bringing back your endless killstreaks
>tfw said characters have been tweaked so you have to somewhat re-learn the character
>tfw you can't tho
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>>171039756
>>
>playing brawl
>lose a match
>shugoki demon grabs me
>lose connection literally instantly
>they probably think I ragequit
this shit has been so horrible today, I have played literally 2 full games, one duel with a raider who was teleporting around, and a brawl with a conqueror who had glitchy as fuck hits.
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>>171050095
Chess. Each player gets to play two pieces. You're stuck on your square when you come into contact with an enemy and can only move after killing them.

>>171066947
CRAB BATTLE
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>>171060536
Warden.
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>>171067010
I'd be impressed if this was literally anyone but warlord
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>>171066893
>Guy misses me by a fucking mile doing his Warden shoulder
>My Lawbringer goes stumbling backwards
>Can't punish him
>This happens every single time

Does that fucking thing have an AOE on it now? It's nearly impossible to dodge as LB. Even if it misses it still has an effect, which seems fucking excessive.
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>>171067062
CRAB.... BATTLE...
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>now im playing kensei


Holy fuck i had no idea Law-bringer was this bad comparatively to any character in the roster.
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>>171042965
does this image have a sauce?
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>>171067091
At that range literally any character could have done that.
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>>171054693
Everything being reactable is the cause of the defensive meta. If all you have to do is wait and see what happens, the best way to approach battle is to be passive and never attack. The thing separating warden's guessing game compared to PK's light spamming is that PK has a 66% chance to damage while warden only has a 33% chance to do the same. And that's only if you don't roll away.
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>>171065604
>Yung maestro

have you seen his latest video? Honest to god cancer
>>
>>171067173
If it's fully charged Yes. Also if he properly hits you you can get top heavied with no counter. Also he can feint out of it.
>>
>>171067091
but that's kinda the point, the whole webm is just me getting away with bullshit in the most unfair manner possible, like charging clean into a wall of spikes headfirst, being thrown into them and bouncing off, then ever so slightly nudging two people into it for two instakills as though it made any sense

if I were playing a low tier it would lose all the evil appeal
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tfw you use a crabstone on your kensei after he hits level 32
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>>171066505
I hate the way it feels. I usually prefer M&K but this just feels really awkward, despite the responsiveness.

Also. whenever my controller stops fucking working, my game will drop frames like fucking HELL until I either unplug the controller or simply wait for it to subside.

How the fuck is that even happening?
>>
>>171067316

When will we get a Steiner voice mod
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>>171051490
But using a shield IS a martial art[/spoiler}
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>>171067552
Controllers are the opiate of the masses

Superior PCppon plastic folded over 500 trillion times
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>warlord starts getting back up
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>>171060759
Conq, with hoedus helm, cassios or regulas chest, and any shoulder set that doesn't clip through the shield.
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>>171067658
>Superior PCppon plastic
Peasant.

Metallic Mechanical keyboard or bust
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>>171067779
>metal switches
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>>171060759
Easily Kensei
>>
Did someone a while back post about how they faced a rep 20+ berserker named Wildbill or some shit?

I'm facing him now, rep 27 berserker with rep 5 roach and pisskeeper wew
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>already bored of being samurai in season 1
>still want the rewards for sticking to the same team the whole season
>besides samurai just recently won a round
>see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l1qEMgcSk0
Next season should I just swap from weebs to knights? Because I'm starting to think Knights are more fun, considering everyone is being dishonorable when I play literally any samurai class.
And I encounter way more knights and vikings than samurai.
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>>171067837
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>>171067982

yeah, fuck that guy

He has all the autism of kingrichard and aarpain and none of the skill

he's also constantly streaming so feel free to put the stream on to hear what he's saying
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>>171067996
Stick to what you like. I like knights so I went knights, but I didn't do it thinking they'd win. I'm 99% sure the rewards aren't worth care about anyway.
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>>171067669
>Orochi doesn't run away when low on health and activates revenge
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>>171067345
That's fucked up. He wasn't even fully charged, he was just getting it out super fast and there was nothing I could do about it.

Dodge backwards? Hit.
Dodge to the side? Hit and stumble.
There's no way to punish it.
>>
>Do three skirmishes
>They all disconnect during the match
Ok, what the fuck gives. Is this the usual or is there a spike in this?
>>
>>171067996
Knights have literally never won a faction war round
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>>171068286
>Working as intended. -ubisoft
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>>171068085
just looked him up on twitch, fat lispy neckbeard

was wondering why i called him cancer after he switched from roach to PK lol

103 people watching him and slobbing on his chode too
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>>171067258
>He doesn't know Kensei is on Lawbringer's tier in high level play, if not possibly worse
Rev up those up lights and feints because that's all you've got.
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>>171067996
Speaking of rewards

What should I buy for effects? Darkness looks cool, but if I'm going to swap to knights I kinda want that Hellfire effect.
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>>171068156
>3 scavenger crates per round won
>3
>The game won't make it to the end of the season so we'll never know what the rewards are
>Mfw
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>>171068327
There are still 3 rounds left.
And I'm not swapping till the season is over.
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I cannot fucking WAIT for revenge stats to get shafted.
How this shit hasn't been hotfixed yet is beyond me
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>>171068495
You wont make it to the end of the week if you catch these hands, boy.
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>>171068220
"Just Roll Back Bro!" - WardenMain

You really have to gitgud at dodging at last moment. Just like Shugoki's Charge on a narrow bridge.
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>>171049872
If the clip is any hint, you need to untarget to pull it off. I bet it can be abused just like the Shoguki used to untarget in the middle of his attacks for the glitch.
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>>171039860
>>171047504
>>171048309
There's a post on leddit about a guy #1 on most stats with 1 death overall. Turns out you just alt+f4 for impeccable stats.

So, stats don't mean shit.
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>>171068495
>Only 3
>Changed my class multiple times through round 1 and 2 but got extra rewards twice
I got 4 free crates out of it for some reason.
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>>171068495
It will eventually reach the end of the season.
Whether or not there are any players left playing season 2 is the question.
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>>171068565
The difference is you can roll INTO Shugoki to get past him. Just had three fucking games against Warden mains and they all play in the same fucking way. They never open up with anything, just just back away from you. You can walk right up to them, your cock against theirs, and they won't attack or do anything. They just fucking wait. They're always cocksucking, roleplaying cunts too who do slow walks to the arena because apparently playing their overpowered, top tier character makes them a hardass.

I normally don't get mad at this game, but holy fuck dealing with 3 Wardens then a Warlord in a row is absolutely infuriating.
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>>171050726
Why Rep10? All's you're getting is costumes.
Though I love the Rep2 outfit.
>>
I can't CGB warden's Shoulder Bash into GB. What gives? I'm just standing still, but still can't do it.
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>>171051905
Gee that was a funny joke back when we had Dial Up connections.
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>>171068215
>Orochi actually stands his ground
>I watch as he kills two team mates that try to jump him
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRK_OMQGQlc
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>>171068783
>The difference is you can roll INTO Shugoki
Well depending on shugoki he also has defense of continue running at cost of stamina or cancelling it.

But Yeah, atleast with PK's it can actually be 50-50 of it's gonna be a terrible pk or a good pk. Even a semi-decent warden could fuck up any good player because of all the shit he can do.
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>>171068962
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>>171068495
>3 crates and 1500(?) steel
>1 crate is equal to 500 steel
>so 3k steel

so nothing
>>
>>171068962
Ummmmm git gud???? Clearly PK is completely balanced. I bet you're just bad because you are bad.
>>
>>171068983
Warden was supposed to be the jack of all trade, master of none, but right now he's jack of all trade master of all.
>>
Why is everyone a fucking assassin in brawls/duels?
>>
>>171053403
SF4 rarely had more than 3 moves in a Combo, so I don't think they're the ones that popularized it.
>>
>>171069147
Because assassins are typically the best duelists and are good at 1v1 engagements. Where else would they shine but the 1v1 mode?
>>
>>171069061
The design of the Vanguards is pretty sound in theory. Warden is there to teach you about mixups, Raider is there to teach you about grappling, Kensei is there to teach you about grabs and parries. The issue is that Warden actually does all of those things the best by a huge margin, and much easier too.
>>
>>171069147
I always fight variety of classes.
>>
>>171069035
You obviously have not gotten shit on by multiple PKs in a row.
Or any cheap as fuck PK.
>>
I've taken to jumping off a high spot into suicide over and over every time I get matched against someone who is significantly higher rep/gear than me.

I feel like if more people adopted this attitude of not being willing to fight when they ahve no chance it might galvanize the devs into actually fixing matchmaking.
>>
>decide I've had enough of actually trying
>pick Orochi
>spam lights
>literally win 7 games in a row

This game is such a joke.
>>
>Random restriction on where you can put your emblem every character
>Valk it's ridiculously small
>Zerker it gets all warped to shit
>Looks bad just plastered so huge on the Warlord's gut/back
>Kensei doesn't get to put it on their huge floormat shoulders

Fix this ubifags
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>>171069204
>Where else would they shine but the 1v1 mode?

or picking off low health players in Dominion/Deathmatch
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>>171066915
I thought he just was telling us about his day.
I don't follow ecelebs so I didn't pick up on it.

It was also TLDR so I just picked out the one line cause I didn't know wtf he was talking about.
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>>171069315
Welcome to the dark cabal brother, we have a nice Japanese style potluck on Tuesdays and validate parking. Your shitter badge is in the mail.
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>>171069312
I try.

I try a lot.
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>>171068962
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>>171069315
I would of parried you stop bitching about him Jesus. Just play the game or quit
>>
>Have to Execute 1 Guy in Elim. That's it. Order Complete.
>Keep matching against 108Gold Gear Faggots who gain revenge in 1v1's.
>Somehow execute one of them.
>Round 3 about to end.
>6000000037

>>171069209
I'd switch Warden and Kensei since Kensei has more Mixups. But Warden can do alot of shit outta shoulder bash (which shouldn't be fucking cancellable in first place) but yeah.
>>
>>171066078
He's probably a Warden player trying to justify his broken fucking attack
>>
>all of Nobushi's executions are decaps

Fucking why.
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>>171069312
You could just disconnect instead of giving them a free win
>>
holy shit why is momiji's AI such a fucking RETARD REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I HAVE TO LEAD HER ON HER LITTLE CODE-LEASH THROUGH EVERY FUCKING DOOR ON THE LEVEL LIKE I'M TAKING HER TO THE VET AND ON THE OFF CHANCE SHE ACTUALLY FUCKING FOLLOWS ME SHE STANDS IN MY FUCKING WAY LIKE AN APE SO THAT I CAN'T DODGE OUT OF THE SHUGOKI'S SWING THAT DEALS MY ENTIRE HEALTH BAR IN DAMAGE

MAKE IT STOP

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>
>>171066535
>>171066915
>>171069434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjZ4mow9ec
literally the first 33 seconds.
Only I'm shugoki.
and green.
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>trying to brawl by having a real 2v2
>past two games they just quit right away before they even loose a round
>>
>>171069605
Well if they keep suiciding it counts as loss, which would skew win-lose ratio. So as a LB I do this too sometimes. I want my Wins to be as low as possible.
>>
>>171069603
Secretly she's a Mohel
>>
>>171056497
Stop posting that meme axe.
>>
>>171069646

I like her voice
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Stop deploying war assets against Vikings.
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I want Knights, Samurai and Vikings to cross their faction specific effects.
Because I want my Warden to have lightning.

Because [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]
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>>171069718
>Well if they keep suiciding it counts as loss, which would skew win-lose ratio.

>Giving a shit about win/loss in a game that defaults to pairing you with randoms in all but one game mode.

It's ok anon, if a game is going poorly, I throw myself in front of peacekeepers to inflate their kill numbers.
>>
>>171057171
If you parry a light attack, you get a guaranteed Heavy right? Since your attacks have short range, I would suggest practicing bluffing with attacks that fall a few inches short and whiff. That can set you up for an attack since other players will expect you to be vulnerable.
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>>171069784
Keep doing it
>>
>>171058914
Jesus. You have to be a Lawbringer God.
You have good taste though. We have the same Axe.
>>
>Start messing around with warden because meh why not
>Thick Blood - Gain immunity from regular Bleed Damage

Wait what, does he not actually get bled from anything except feat shit that makes it happen? That what it sounds like at least. What the fuck if so.
>>
According to my stats I have a 3.0 k/d and 79% win rate...but it sure doesn't fucking feel like that.

In fact I don't think I've ever actually beaten anyone 1 on 1.

Can't seem to find a character that I'm any good with either, I wanted THE LAW but he's not very strong and I'm a total shitter.
>>
>>171070227
If you can block and parry you can play the whole roster.
>>
>>171069957
You get the heavy depending on range. So basically yeah
>>
>>171069605
>>171069718
>>171069894
Actually I don't disconnect because it will complete contracts if its a loss.
>>
>>171070219
Yes. Nothing better than getting tickled by a Peacekeeper every time they grab you.
>>
>>171065604
Scrubby youtubers you're watching senpai

Here's how to make a yung maestro Iron Pineapple for honor vid

>Only add clips that make you look amazing
>Only add a loss to a vid if they are ridiculous and unfair, in order to make it seem as though only crazy odds can beat you
>Whenever someone types in chat, make sure to zoom in real close so everyone can see how salty they are, or if they're complimenting you! this will make you look much better than you actually are e.g "omg itz pineapple we iz gonna get memed on!!"
>Play shit under the guise of 'hehe le troll'
>defend your swamp

I've never really liked people like this, their content really reflects their shitty personality and pretentiousness, as do their followers, always screeching SALT.
Props to the video editing though, especially Maestro.


>inb4 ur just a salty faggot
>inb4 why would you go through all this effort u obviously salty lolol

Go on, prove my point, I don't mind the (you)'s.
>>
It's been 4 hours. I haven't been able to complete a single elimination match at all. Sometimes they end in round 1, sometimes in round 3. I just want 1 execution man. Just 1 execution.
>>
>>171070346
there's a lot of meme shit on youtube that works, sadly

I put a clickbait title on this purely as a joke and it's almost the most viewed video on my channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bomIviLWNuM&
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>>171058914
>#326th best LB
A god among us.
>>
>>171070345
That's insane, why the fuck are so many classes feats completely garbage from top to bottom and then already easy warden gets this too.
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*blocks your path*
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>>171070346
You know, you're just a salty faggot.

Why would you go through all this effort? You're obviously salty. Laughing Out Loud Out Loud.
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>>171070523
Because Devs only like Warden and play PK.
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>>171058754
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>>171070550
*quits to main map*
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>>171069784
but if we stop you shit on everyone's fun.
>>
>>171070575
gg, got a good kek out of me
>>
>>171070795
PK is a heathen
>>
>>171061683
gayyyyy i liked it and less variety now
>>
YOUR THREAD IS BREAKING
>>171070914
>>171070914
>>
>>171070491
Hey, I actually saw that video.
>>
>>171061497
All the viking maps had technical issues for plebians
>>
>>171070795
Someone needs to do this towards orochi or make one for kensei
>>
>>171070875
There's due to be an announcement on those maps later this week.
>>
>>171058754
SHUGOKI.
>>
>>171070842
>>171070979
No

All of their usernames start with Legion in the pic, so they must be coordinated somewhat, on top of that they are all high level, with the sun to praise as their emblem.
That is a top tier competitive team if I have ever seen one.
>>
>>171070964
I thought I saw it in Custom Match still though.
>>
>>171071291
They're just removed from normal rotation
>>
>>171070275
But that's the thing.

I can't.

Or I'm missing some crucial part of it that was never explained, because peoples attacks CONSTANTLY smack me through block/parry or I can't switch the block direction fast enough.

I also can't find a character that I'm any good at. I wanted to play THE LAW but its underpowered and given how everything seems to go through block its completely unviable.

It doesn't help that I"m used to using the movement direction to determine block direction like in mount & blade. I was able to bind W A and D to block directions but there doesn't seem to be an option to stop the mouse from changing the block direction at the same time, which fucks shit up badly.
>>
>>171071421
Just pick whoever and focus on blocking everything except heavies until you're familiar with the timings
>>
Why are Raiders still not getting nerfed?
>>
Holy shit, kensei dodge attack fucks my brain so bad.

Help.
>>
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>>171072091
Use the UI, Luke
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>>171072202
You know what I meant, smartass.
>>
>>171042947
So is metalkid the new KushQueen420?
>>
>>171043990
KR is a giant faggot cant even fight based aarpain on an op character
>>
>>171049418
Hi aarpian, hows that conqing going

daniel
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>>171049082
HOLY SHIT I KNOW THAT DUDE. I FOUGHT HIM BEFORE, THE GUY TURTLES, SPAMS THE SHIT OUT OF SHIELD BASH AND ABUSES EVERY BUG KNOWN TO CONQ.

Holy fucking shit I didn't think I'd see him here, but seems he's well knows around here? Do people like him as a player?
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