/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

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This thread is now blessed by Gravelord Nito and the Pardoners of Velka.

Reminder, Yuria is a slut, and a useless whore that should be offered to the first flame as kindling.

fc at high wall
pass: dsg

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What's their end goal?
Are Frampt and Kaathe working towards the same end?

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So, here's some food for thought:

What makes an Unkindled different from other Undead is that they tried and failed to Link the First Flame, because they lacked the strength of will to do so, and were burned to ashes for it. But then this begs the question, how would an Unkindled even gain access to the First Flame in the first place? If the Kiln is protected by various iterations of the Soul of Cinder, then how would they manage to get close enough to the First Flame at all?

Maybe this is where the "strength of will" thing comes from. A regular Undead would, presumably, have beaten a shitload of tough bosses and have strengthened their soul sufficiently along the way that, not only would they be able to defeat the Kiln's guardian, they would also be strong enough to survive the process of Linking and become a Lord of Cinder.

So then, does this mean that in the past there have been times where the First Flame was unguarded? And then some random-ass passerby happens to try to touch it and becomes an Unkindled?

>>170227773
that would explain aldrich as a lord

>>170227306
>one betrayed his kind and attempts to keep the First Flame alive
>the other tried and failed to bring about an Age of Dark several times in the past, and died before the latest attempt could be made
Same end, my ass.

Wow, AoA is short. I feel like I bout it an hour or so ago and I already killed Friede. I didn't really like her, I wish I got to see more of Father Ariandel, he was interesting.

>>170228217
U NO RIKE? TOO BAD GAIJIN HERE FOUR DOG

>>170227773
Well keep in mind there's really no indication of wether or not the Soul of Cinder is a common phenomenom. Unlike Gwyn, it isn't a specific someone who went there and linked to the flame, but an impersonal amalgamation of all those who did link it in the past. I feel that may be an important distinction, since we don't know if that entity appears on every single cycle of linking or is just a result of how close the flame is to death..

That said, it could simply be that being strong enough to reach the Flame is not automatically enough to be accepted by it. This definition is irrelevant for the player, since it would be very anticlimatic if once you reached the Kiln in Dark Souls 1 and beat Gwyn and touched the Flame you simply were blasted away in a cloud of ash and that's how the game ended, but in-universe what is to say that there isn't such a thing as simply not being strong enough, either in convinction or in actual might, to do so?

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So uhh, the links to the cheat table are down. Like the whole topic is erased. What the fuck?

Best Staff for 50 Int?

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I made a thing.

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>two Proofs of Concord dropping in a row
OH BABY

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Holy shit, I just notice something.
The Soul of Cinder is wearing the Elite Knight Armour Set.

>>170229778
Ah yes, and if you listen closely you can hear Gwon Lord of Thunder's theme in the second phase.

>>170227554
>Everyone is Gwynevere
Fromsoft isn't helping with the whole "Queen of Lothric" deal

>Everyone is Velka
ok
>Everyone is related to Gwyn
Fromsoft is the one guilty of this. Yorshka and Gwyn's "youngest new daughter"
>Everything is a Pygmy
Pygmies are hollows, the natural state of life before the advent of souls. So this is actually true.
>Gods are humans
They aren't gods in a literal sense anon.
>Manus is a woman
Yes, that one is dumb, but the "daughters of the abyss/shards of manus" isn't helping.
>The Painted World is the Deep
The Deep and the Rot of the Painted World are basically caused by the same thing: Rotten humanity
>Dark Souls 2 never happened
Parts of it are of questionable canon, but yeah your right.
>Aldrich is Nito because Gravelord Sword
Aldrich gets his power from eating humanity, so yeah your right, this is dumb.
Don't know where that Gravelord sword comes from
>Seath is responsible for the Abyss because crystals
Stupid
>"Time is Convoluted" means whatever I want it to mean
Given the amount of time travel in this series....
>Different species of Undead
Again, everyone hollows to their natural state because of a shared common origin.
>Age of Dark=Age of Ancients
Agreed, this is dumb.
>Everyone is secretly a tree or dragon
What the fuck are those hollows on the highwall of Lothric turning into again anon?
Or how about the forest of the fallen giants?
>Occasional unironic insistence that the Carthus Sandworm is Solaire
This becomes a lot less dumb when you take a look at the concept stuff and realize that the chaos bugs were suppose to have a lifecycle.
Also, the chaos flame mutates people into demons and spiders.

>>170229984
>>Dark Souls 2 never happened
>Parts of it are of questionable canon, but yeah your right.
This is a good thing.

>>170228065
>one betrayed his kind
Are primodrial serpents dragons or something? Pretty sure neirther Kaate nor Frampt were interested in breaking the cycle, and age of dragons is outside of the cycle.
> died before the latest attempt could be made
The fuck?

Dark Souls 2 is canon thanks From!

>>170229984
>Fromsoft isn't helping with the whole "Queen of Lothric" deal

FromSoft made it abundantly clear that the Queen of Lothric is Gwynevere going incognito. The retarded insistence that everyone else is Gwynevere comes from much less, or else involves the quantum state of both Rosaria and the Dancer simultaneously being and not being Gwynevere.

The whole list is a terminal case of "People latching on to one potentially significant detail and then flatly ignoring all other, more obvious, more prevalent details that contradict their theory".

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>>170230462
I like DS2 a lot more now that I see how badly it triggers a few spergs from these threads.

>>170230337
That only parts of DaS II is canon or that it never happened?

Didn't the developer state that drangleic is the south pole to Lordran's north pole?

>>170230556
>Rosaria
So what's the story about who she is?

>>170230556
>implying Gwynevere isn't a self-replicating organism that spawns multiple copies of herself
We're about six or seven Gwyneveres deep at this point.

>>170230761
Intellectually deficient users are convinced she is Gwynevere, because you can use her soul to make one of the miracles Gwynevere passes out to her hand maidens.

The same as the Dancer of the Boreal Valley.

Which other people are also convinced is Gwynevere.

For the exact same reason.

You see the problem, right?

>>170230570
DaS2 wasn't developed by Miyazaki, so he gets to say what he wants about the game he did develop, the one that we're still currently playing.

It's not uncommon for directors to contradict each other over time with various entries in a franchise. If you look at Gundam, for example, Tomino contradicts his own past "lore" all the time, which up until then is considered "canon."

I'd take the "north pole vs south pole" thing with a few salt tablets, because Shibuya turned DaS2 into a massive clusterfuck of a mess that Tanimura had to rescue him from, and in the process destroy a lot of the past statements. And even after that there's still a bunch of shit within DaS2 itself that doesn't match up with each other.

What's the best Souls blind playthrough to watch?

Looking for two people to 2v2 with Ds3.

>>170230930
The only reason I brought up the "north pole vs. south pole" is because I heard some speculation that Drangleic may be Londor considering Yuria's interest in a "true monarch of man" and the wedding with Anri.
Nevermind the fact that the Pilgrims of Londor come somewhere from the south.

>>170230570
And the ivory king dls area is built over izallith.
Now go on and say something like izalith came through ground to another pole.
Or even something like das3 area was buried under glacier for some time.
>>170230556
Alvays thought Rosaria is Gwynevere and Dancer is some sort of royal servant because of miracle descriptions.
It's also stated that Gwynevere is a mother.

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>>170231125
Cowboy's pre-release blind run through of DaS3 is kind of entertaining at times.

>>170231258
Guess who else is a mother?

The fucking Queen of Lothric.

"Gave birth to many Heavenly Children"

>>170231125
The best friends play souls LPs are decent at times.

>>170231258
Well, to be fair, Eleum Loyce is not a part of Drangleic, the warp you take at the Shrine of Winter presumably takes you to another part of the world.

There's also nothing saying that the Chaos can't move.

I feel like the Age of Dark would be pretty chill. Just dark and quiet everywhere sounds pretty peaceful.

>>170231358
Fine then. Miracle made of soul of somebody special to Gwynevere states she's a mother.
Dancer's miracle statres it's granted to maiden, Rosaira does not, just a "special Miracle granted by the Princess of Sunlight." Might be a bad translation.
This also leads to question was ocerios last king or not.
>>170231493
Izalith is an underground submarine now. I like this concept.

>>170231258
>Now go on and say something like izalith came through ground to another pole.
Geography is meaningless in Dark Souls because shit can move around.
None of the area in 3 should be linked together, but they are because the lands of the lords of cinder are "converging".

Thats why the Kiln looks like a bunch of random crap smashed together at the end of 3. Reality is caving in on itself as the fire dies.

GG FC OVER

>>170232552
It was nice having my ass handed that many times tbqh.
See you in the next one.

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>>170229367
Guys please I just wanna restore my old characters that I lost when my HDD failed.

>>170230559
It's not like there's any other reason to "like" it

>>170230478
Sure, I think I've gotten as high as SL45 whilst still Watchdogging.

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Any of y'all play the King's Field/Shadow Tower games?

>>170229565
>shitty image macro

What is this, 2009?

>>170231870
Well then there would be no point in sealing izalith. Space and time were bednig to allow linking the flame, or something like that, and I can't see a point for izalith to move around (and then slowly die because of chaos flame fading)

>>170233776
no they look and play like shit

>>170233776
>y'all

darn tootin

>>170231125
This one is GOAT for the OG DaS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTcKa5wedNM&list=PL1iwwMmsVqKOMes-ZAoWaS0iQKDcGk7Ln

>plays blind with additional quips from a guy who's already played it
>additional dude only talks about shit after it's happened though
>great humour
>also manages to luck out at several parts, finding the easy way through several notoriously hard parts
>this is slightly disappointing but amusing to see all the faggots sperging out about him "cheating" or whatnot in the comments

>>170233986
They look and play dated, sure, but the mechanics are very solid and immersive if you acquaint yourself with them.
Souls games come off as obtuse to many people, but it's that same learning curve that makes them such an enrapturing simulation. KF is similar.

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>>170232968
Guys please

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>play for the first time in ages
>invade a shitload, feel the rush again
>forget why I ever quit
>invade the same t-posed guy 4 times in a row
>invade another guy and he's hacking
>don't want to invade anymore
thank fuck for duels

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>>170234486
>implying you can't find T-posers and hackers in the arena

>>170234603
they're rarer and you only have to deal with them for like 5 minutes, also if someone's hacking you find out straight away instead of chasing them from the entrance of the dungeon to Yhorm reeeeeee

>>170227306
From doesn't even know. They haven't thought that far ahead.

>>170234603
okay nevermind I just played three rounds in the arena. FC when?

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>Manus, Father of the Abyss
>Manus
>Man
>"us"

What is the giant dad of Dark Souls 3?

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>>170235265
>Father of the Abyss
>The Abyss
>Abyss
>/ss/

>>170235452
Powerful build that only works on the mentally ill, but specific to the point of not being just "anything because anything works on stupid people" with a get out of jail free card that's actually good?

Iron flesh sacred flame with Black Flame on the side.

>>170227306
They all want to bring back the age of dragons. Kaathe thinks that bringing the age of dark will naturally push the world in the age of ancients. Frampt thinks perpetually lighting the first flame will leave it to a weakened state from which it would be unable to ever recover. Problem is, this takes way longer.

>>170235693
Neat, I just started a pyromancer anyways.

>>170227773
No, unkindleds are undead from previous cycles. They never attempted to link the fire, that much is revealed by the starting class descriptions. When someone else linked the fire, they stopped being undead and became humans. Humans whose bodies far outlived their expiration dates and therefore dropped dead on the spot. It's also hinted in Anastacia's dialogue. This somewhat also explains why they don't naturally hollow, even if it doesn't explain why they respawn without some "it's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit" fuckery

what is the balder side sword of ds2?

>>170233776
I had the original King's Field downloaded the other day. I haven't played more than half an hour or so of it just yet, but apart from the controls and an inability to save the game normally it seems interesting.
>that first skeleton behind the hidden wall

>>170236339
Foot soldier?

What do you guys use for parrying in PvP?

Is there still an FC going on?

>>170236705
Claw, or I would if you fuckers would link me a damned cheat table.

>>170236705
caestus desu

>>170236791
you could have started a new character and been in ng+7 in the time that you have been waiting for a CE table

>>170236847
Shit son I did that already I just wanna god mode though and have some fun remaking my invaders.

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>>170236705
whatever fits my fashion

>>170236791
https://mega.nz/#!DZswmY6a!llvcxQ95V6UW5zCN5CNdlwbUSy6vYq99vr46htpsxUs

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>>170236983
Thank you.

>>170236705
Why would you use anything besides cestus? Obviously, any 100% phys shield would do the job for block-parrying straight sword/estoc spam, but generally it won't save you from decent player with tryhard twinswords.

IMAGINE
Armor dyes
All slotted weapons visible
Sin and blue invasions
Getting invaded being impactful
Covenants not being copypasted
WAs that are actually unique and useful
Fanmade souls when?

>>170237218
>All slotted weapons visible
Seems like they planned to do this but then they dropped it at the last second, you can see the player's other weapons on his back in some of the leaked screenshots

>Fanmade souls when?
I keep telling myself I should finally bother to get into gamedev to do exactly this but I still haven't

>>170237218
>armor dyes
trash
>sin
never did much anyways
>WAs that are actually unique and useful
Not all weapons need a unique WA, and a handful still do. WAs are plenty useful if you have a head to use it with.

>>170237218
rare boss drops
(very) rare encounters with npcs, enemies, etc
more anime hairstyles
more solare references

>>170237364
Iirc those screenshots showed back-strapped dual ss.
>I keep telling myself I should finally bother to get into gamedev to do exactly this but I still haven't
That makes us two. But how do we start?

>>170237218
>All slotted weapons visible
Still mad this isn't a thing yet.

>>170237218
>ALL slotted weapons visible
lmao 12kat

>>170237518
Grab Unity or UE4, learn to program, learn to model, texture, animate or find minions to do all the artsy shit for you

>>170236705
I'm on a flynn build so I'm basically married to the ceastus for it's 0.5 weight

>>170237594
lmao 6havels shields

become

invinsible

>>170238130
>not lmao12gshield

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What weapons do you hope to see in the new dlc?

>>170238315
BONE

FIST

>>170238315
more.fist.weapons

Jesus christ Elana is SO GOD DAMN BAD.
Why the fuck would you make a boss summon another boss? Why? Who the fuck thought that would be a good idea?

>>170238702
To encourage coop/using a summon

They really wanted to encourage people to play together in the DLCs

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>>170238702
Just repeat the boss until she summons pigs or skeletons, velstadt was her first summon during 3 fights. I hate her too

>>170238702
Ah, so that's why the NPC summons for this are some fuck with dual ceastus that does a whole 20 damage per hit, and Benhart. Of course.

>>170238853
Even the skeletons are shitty. It only takes one stray hit at the wrong time to eat one of her attacks, and they all hurt.
Teleporting, infinite adds, weird hitboxes, spellspam, attacks with almost no tell, attacks with WAY to good tracking, attacks that can hit you from anywhere, even the closest bonfire is fucking impossible to find unless you already know it's there. They seriously took all the worst boss traits in Souls and stuck them on this one bitch.

>>170238385
>>170238412
>implying they won't still be shit

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In the tournament are we allowed to switch weapons as we like during the match?

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>Mother Rosaria is hailed a goddess
>merciful mother of the forlorn, with no home to call their own (in the cotd)
>leader of the invasion covenant
Could she be the statue of the painted worlds and new londo?
>long slick black hair with strands of white

Also where's the "Rosaria, Mother of Unbirth" r34?

>>170239308
Are we having a tournament?

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>>170239232
Of course a sword is going to be better than any fist weapons, i want them because they were fun to use

>>170239479
That's my problem though, it's a world of magic and shit, a fist weapon shouldn't be inherently worse than any other weapon. They half-assed the Demon Fist though and that's a pile of steaming shit, Dark Hand does good damage but has nothing really special about it's moveset (just a really shitty grab that no longer is even worth trying to land since they nerfed its effect) and so is hard to hit anyone with. They just don't give a shit about fist weapons.

>>170239462
The one on the 25th in the OP. There's a post about it in the last thread.

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>still need 20 Sunbro medals
I don't know what to do, I'm already SL60+8 so there's very few areas for me to co-op. I already did the Silver Knight grind for DMB, I literally only need this and then Sunlight Spear for the achievement. And /dsg/ requests for co-op are few and far inbetween.

Should I try invading? Not sure which areas to go to at this SL and WL range, but the Warmth grind wasn't that bad so this may be the way to go.

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>>170237816
>flynn build

...in DS3?

>>170239385
>Also where's the "Rosaria, Mother of Unbirth" r34?
Your path is wholly different to mine. Gentle Unkindled, I bid you farewell. If we meet again, it will be as adversaries.

>>170239661
>SL60+8
so... 68?

>>170239792
Soul Level 60, Weapon Level +8

>>170239762
>IF we meet again

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>>170239762

>>170239918
It's over, ashen one, I have the high ground

>>170239661
Dragonslayer armor is pretty much your best and most reliable bet. It's a pretty shitty fight to sunbro for though, hosts have a habit of getting BTFO by one of his big attacks.

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Asking here because I wanna hear the opinion of people who don't suck BB's dick 24/7.

What did you think of this character? How would you say he compares to someone like Artorias or Raime lore and gameplay wise?

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>>170240113

best boss

>>170239995

I go for twin princes personally. One of the most consistently easy to roll fights in the game, they only have like 2 attacks that have one shot potential, and people love to summon for them

>>170238315
kos parasite

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>>170239762
Yeah, no, I think I'll end you right here and strip your corpse of your clothes afterward.

>>170239720
I'm the kind of masochist who uses the dragonform, while the flynn ring certainly doesn't make up for the lack of soak, it's definitely still a nice boost of damage.

but the lack of defense doesn't matter when you're using the millwood bow :^)

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>>170239616
Why can't we do fun events like jousting again?

>>170239995
It's one of the easiest bosses around, I have no idea why would you go and summon on it. And then, I imagine a lot of frustrations because of host dying to stupid lasers randomly.
Is it just because the altar is near?

>>170240518
that's antifun meme shit

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>>170240518
I miss events, shame the gladiator one was such a flop

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>>170240653
>it's one of the easiest bosses around
Setz_das_bosses.png and so on and so forth

>>170240669
t. a tourneyfag

It'll be embarrassing if the winner of the tournament is some CCS/Sabre or Estoc bullshit. It'd be funny if it were a greatshield turtler though.

>>170240723
blame the fact that theres basically no gladiator fashion in 3

How about dragons vs dragonslayers? Dragons should host and have a level advantage imo, to spice it up. Or it could be in the arena. But you can't premade vs premade, right? Maybe use a discord to synchronize the teams to maximize chances of matching together with mixing dragons and slayers
>>170240723
Wasn't gladiator before aoa? We got some fun toys now.

>>170240993
>dragons vs dragonslayers?

I think this will work better after TRC hits, at the very least we're getting dragonhead flamethrower shields, at best they also make the dragonform viable

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>>170240993
It went cosplay, joust, gladiator and then I burned out so I don't know if there were any more after that, cosplay event was easily the best one

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>>170240985
There's not much fashion but there's enough and everyone there looked good, only like four people showing up is what ruined it

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>>170241092
Cosplay came after joust. Joust was the first event.

>>170240985
>>170241192
It was during a time when the playerbase started to shrink and there wasn't much activity on the threads anymore.

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What do you guys think, Great Club or Butcher Knife for running my strength character for NG?

>>170241246
I just checked my webm dates and you're right, I was pretty drunk for joust so I don't really remember it lmao

>>170240993
without mixing*

>>170241290
Butcher knife is a lot of fun

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>>170241290
GREATEST CLUB

>>170241092
>>170241246
We should just have another cosplay event. They're fun and offer the most variety imo.

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>>170241430
I agree completely

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>>170241430
oh yeah I loved the variety and creativity!

but in seriousness yeah it was a good event despite a couple of bad eggs

>>170242214
>couple of bad eggs
You can just say Maria

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>>170242325
OC astora knight was pretty cancer too

>>170242389
Don't forget the Tarkus with AGS

>>170241290
Can I kindle your flame?

>finishing up return to memeleic
>taking care of all the shit I never bothered to do while DS2 was new
>go back to Shaded Woods to do the dark chasm there
>the invisible crossbow guys are visible, and I can lock on to them
When the fuck did this happen? Does the eye of the priestess in eleum loyce mess with the main game? Because that's all I can think of.

>>170242434
It's kinda funny that the event specifically said 'dont do dark wraith just to r1 spam' so people brought other ss r1 spam builds, while the actual darkwraiths that showed up stomped and soul sucked 24/7

Who is the furtive pygmy?
Is qwyndolin a trap?

>>170230556
>FromSoft made it abundantly clear that the Queen of Lothric is Gwynevere going incognito.

Proofs?

>>170242662
the answer to both of those questions is yes

For a fat momma build (mom/smough/smough/maiden) should i go feeder (msgs+offhand 4PP), butcher (butcher knife+??) or cook (server+combustion) or something else?

>>170242649
Same thing here, I was surprised the invisible dudes became visible again. The eye of the priestess being behind that sounds like the most reasonable explanation.

>>170242846
Dual butcher knives.

>>170231705
>Rosaria does not
>Bountiful Sunlight: Special miracle granted to the maidens of Gwynevere, Princess of the Sun. Gradual HP restoration for self and vicinity. The miracles of Gwynevere, the princess cherished by all, grant their blessing to a great many warriors.

It'd explain a lot of people didn't actually play 1 I guess.

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>>170242701
Not him, but DB description and Lothric/Lorian sharing so many similarities with Gwyndolin (as well as the absolutely awful but apparently correct Seath Gwynevere parallel) more than tie that up.

If it ain't Gwynevere, we were definitely expected to think it was. It could be a daughter or some shit, but what the fuck would be the point?

>>170242846
what
>>170242961
said

do the normal claws still have the L1 -> L2 -> L1 -> L1 combo?

>>170242961
I kinda like the idea of dropping spicy meatballs, but I'll check your idea as well. Is there any merit to having an offhand axe if you already mainhand one?

>>170243495
>Is there any merit to having an offhand axe if you already mainhand one?
absolutely none

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so who's ready for lmao 4doors?

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FC at HW - PC
Pass: dsg

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>>170243071
That isn't 'abundantly clear' its sketchy at best.

Lothric and Lorian are Irythillian/gods like Gwyndolin. Apart from that, not much similarity.

>>170243592
what level are these fc's usually held at? Used to participate in Ds1/2 fc's, but just haven't had the time to join any ds3 fc's

>>170243674
120-125

>>170243674
120

>host and Sunfaggot vs me as an Aldrich and another Aldrich
>I'm SL93...
>Sunfaggot rushes me
>leaping attack with DLC claws
>DUNKK
>I whack him midair with Yhorm's
>dies in one fucking hit
>run around to where other Aldrich and host are
>host is finished in like three hits of some sword

What the fuck even happened there, do people really try to make glass cannon melee builds?

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>>170243581
so who's ready for lmao 4knights?

>>170243667
>That isn't 'abundantly clear' its sketchy at best.
>Lothric and Lorian are Irythillian/gods like Gwyndolin.

Did you have a stroke while typing this?

>>170243745
leveling vig is for noobs who get hit :^)

reminder that Malcolm is crashing this tournament with no survivors

>>170243839
it's what deserves to happen with all these shitty rules and nonsensical bans

>>170243839
「Blocks your path」

Leave Malcom to me.

>>170243872
tournament had rules?
who knew.

>>170243872
pretty much, reminds of the bullshit that was early DS2 fightclubs. back in the day sorcery, miracles and pyromancy was banned

>>170243772
No anon, I didn't have a stroke while typing that.

You people are retarded.
>Who were all these gods that Aldritch was eating, why do we never see any of them as characters other than Gwyn's kids
>But we see loads anon
>They're all either Gwynavere herself or her sons though
>Why do you think that?
>Because they're Irythilian, that makes it abundantly clear. Fuck them having different names and looking different.

>>170243510
Can't say I don't respect that
http://mmdks.com/8k0k
http://mmdks.com/8k0m
http://mmdks.com/8k0n

>>170243772
They are immensely resistant to dark. They are not descendants of gods

>join the Discord for the tournament
I've made a huge mistake

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>>170244208
>>Who were all these gods that Aldritch was eating, why do we never see any of them as characters other than Gwyn's kids

He's never called "Devourer of Gods" till after he's offed Gwyndolin. Seems like he went after Rosaria, who's related to Gwynevere.

If Gods (plural) bothers you that much, I'd first believe he ate Nito/Nito's equivalent than believe Lorian and Lothric are unrelated to Gwynevere.

>Fuck them having different names and looking different.
Why would Gwynevere name her kids Gwynrian and Gwynthric? She isn't Gwyn. Literally no need.

They look mighty similar to me, too. If Lothric was capable of growing older, I'd imagine he'd look a lot more like his uncle; still as frail, but bigger and taller and lankier.

>>170244301
I'd love to hear your theory.

>>170244357
should have just given your steam id

>>170244363
>They were transporting other gods they found in the Undead Settlement back to Anor Londo using the Road of Sacrifice.
>Nito isn't a god. (I'll just treat another extremely sketchy theory as 100% confirmed)
>I don't care what you'd prefer to believe, that isn't evidence, which is what I asked if there was any.
>I don't think they are unrelated. I just don't see anything you've provided that makes it 'abundantly clear' that Gwynavere is the Queen of Lothric.

And the other anon doesn't have to tell you shit.

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>>170244829
>Can't greentext
>Entire argument is "no ur wrong"

>>170244931
>I've got nothing to say.
>But I've got to say something
>Better leave a cunty png and greentext ''''''wit''''''

Looks like I'm right in saying 'no ur wrong' then doesn't it?

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>incompetent owner that actively encourages mods to mess with people for fun
>this Discord showed up suddenly to announced they were the ones going to make a tournament
>arbitrary bans and lack thereof and refusal to change opinion due to complex created by having been in the Discord
Reminder not to join this dead-before-arrival tournament

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>>170245057

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COME ONE COME ALL

In just three weeks the first /dsg/ thread tourney is starting. On March 25th, 2pm PST a PC tournament will be held prior the release of The Ringed City DLC.

Participants will be matched up with others who sign-up and fight for the claim to be /dsg/'s champion. The winner and runner-ups will receive prizes including Steam games and being better than everyone else who fought.
Sign-up sheet is here:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdE5nW644n-uDkR2sLrJD--n4Nsynw2f9GP2BJOrNUBpgiBiw/viewform?usp=sf_link

For the sake of organization either your Steam ID or a Discord ID will be needed to sign-up. If using only one Steam IDs will be organized via that channel and Discord users can join the accompanying server in the link above to ensure we don't have last minute drop-outs with no explanation.

RULES:
-Maximum Soul Level of 125 allowed. Someone with CE open will be monitoring all players to make sure this rule and others aren't broken.
-The starting location will be High Wall, followed by Farron Keep bridge and ending at the Darkmoon Tomb.
-Fights are best of 3
-Each fight is 2 minutes long, the one with the most % health left at the end will win if both are alive.
-Gargoyle Flame Spear, Washing Pole, Throwing Knives, Anri's Straight Sword, Ethereal Oak Shield, Ancient Dragon Greatshield, and Fire Surge are banned.
-Only two Ashen Estus sips per fight, any more and your win will not count, initiating a rematch. Do this twice and you are disqualified
-All Regen items and spells are banned to disincentive passive shittery. This includes Sun Princess Ring, Blessed Weapon, Spells like Bountiful Sunlight, and anything infused with Blessed.
-Normal FC rules still apply such as no healing items. Fight rotation will be determined once brackets are set.

Requirements to join: Discord and/or Steam ID for organization purposes.

https://discord.gg/eNvRAh7 - Discord invite.

>>170230570
The location of Drangleic in DS2 doesn't matter as the entire world is pulled together in DaS3.

>>170231125
Lobosjr blind runs, ENB's blind run of DS3, GeopLPs blind run of DS1.

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>>170245131

>>170245057
If I say "DB and some souls metaphor shit make it pretty clear that Gwynevere is mommy lothric", and you say "no she's not"

and I say "Here's why I think Lorian and Lothric are related to her, and you say "no she's not"

and I say "Here's why what you said just contradicts itself", and you say "no it doesn't"

then there's not much point in giving you a discussion, is there?

>>170245139
>banning one of the 3 good pyro weapons
>wonders why no one will show up to their shitty tourny

go hollow in the burg

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>>170245139
>throwing knives

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>say something about how /dsg/ lore discussions always turn into debates over completely baseless made up shit that's completely out of touch with any reality but the writer's personal headcanon
>thread becomes exactly that within eight hours

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>>170245139
>fire surge
>banned

>hornet ring
>not banned

>>170245181
>leaves all of it in
So you admit you're incompetent and just as bad if not worse than the tranny running the old server? Good to hear, good to hear.

>>170245318
It's kind of weird how defensive people get about their speculation.

>>170245139
>not banning tears
>not banning ring of i-frames
>not banning black knight shield
>not banning hornet
>not banning crossbows
>not banning dark sword
>not banning caestus

nice tourney

>>170245131
>implying Alex isn't also a fucking memer that thinks it's funny

people are allowed to have fun with friends retard

>>170245404
>dark sword
fucking kek

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>>170245393
Everyone wants to be the next "lore sage" and make money off of youtube.

>>170245426
that's what you think, fuckface

>>>/out/
>>>/r9k/
>>>/soc/

>>170244301
Good point by the way anon.

Its possible that comes from a mixed heritage and that they were bred to link the fire. It isn't completely ruled out because Artorias was also more resistant to dark after being taken by the Abyss.

But you've certainly made it seem more unlikely.

>>170245191
>If I say "DB and some souls metaphor shit make it pretty clear that Gwynevere is mommy lothric", and you say "no she's not"
>and I say "Here's why I think Lorian and Lothric are related to her, and you say "no she's not"
No, I say 'it seems a bit sketchy', you say 'did you have a stroke', and 'you're entire argument is no ur wrong'

Then there's not much point in giving you a discussion, is there?

>and I say "Here's why what you said just contradicts itself", and you say "no it doesn't"
When did this happen?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjL0F-mJ0Uk

>Even bosses that have radically different first and second phases have death animations for if they die without reaching the second phase

Neat. Maybe it's only to be expected, but it seems like something you might not spend development time on to me, if your expectation is that nobody will do shit like this.

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>>170245426
>justify mod abuse by saying he was in on it
Sad!

>>170245426
>that bloodring laggy piece of shit mage gets a free pass for the tourny
glad i didn't sign up for this

>>170245541
That picture looks like she's spilling orange juice with her left hand and using a mop to clean the mess with her right.

>>170245318
>>170245393
>>170245479

But the thread is pretty much ALWAYS gonna go to that mode. Lore discussions can be pretty intriguing sometimes but when people don't understand that nothing in Dark Souls is ceetain because Dark Souls 3 keeps overwriting things that were established in 1.

I'm almost certain that the whole bit of Ornstein and Smough being an illusion in DS3 was just something they thought up after they wanted to somehow tie Ornstein to both his appearance in DS2 and tie Nameless King to the main game somehow so they made him leave Lordran and die like a bitch off screen while Smough became Aldrich.

Anyone down to mule me a wolf ring+1 on PC?

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>>170245750

It's Estus mucus. If you get Siegward to travel back to Irithyll dungeon by dying to Yhorm at least 50 times, Karla's cell will open and you'll find it smeared all over the walls, and when Karla appears in Firelink she'll have a distended stomach.

>>170245318
>>170245393
>>170245479

At least it's not like plebbit where, due to rules, no one is allowed to dumpster other people so you get really REALLY retarded theories on how the targeting reticule fits into the lore or debating whether the dug pies and excrement from the excrement covered ashes came from a human or not.

>>170245521
>It isn't completely ruled out because Artorias was also more resistant to dark after being taken by the Abyss

There was no dark damage type in DS1, retard.

>>170245139
>Blessed Weapon banned
Yeah better ban that 90 health gain.

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>>170245807
>while Smough became Aldrich

Trolled softly/10

>>170233776
Yessir. Shadow Tower Abyss has some meaty feeling combat

Lightning spears should deal their optimal damage at range, stake should be the big melee hitter. Why would they design faith to be up in someones nose to deal respectable damage?The whole trading thing also makes the lower tier lightning spears quickly redundant. As of now only emit force and way of white corona are the only true ranged faith spells. Lightning spears just ain't worth their fp cost when used as a ranged option.

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>>170245940
Sorry anon its technically called 'occult auxiliary effect' in dark souls 1.

Any chance ds2 might get the lighning spear buff or is the game pretty much abandoned? Because 3 casts is stupid.

>>170246460
>any chance ds[iteration] might get the [FTH-related aspect] buff or...

guess

>>170246460
Hell no. Even when the game was still being maintained they admitted they fucked up with the lightning spear balance and still didn't fix it.

>>170246293
Except Dark Magic didn't have the occult modifier, dingus.

>Never played DeS
>hated DaS
>Never played DaS2
>really enjoy Bloodborne
>currently getting into Nioh
Would I like DaS3?

>>170246534
And?

>>170246630
Pretty high chance you'd enjoy it.

Ashes of Ariandel is actually pretty fun, I'm liking it more than II's DLC. I love the town before the Vilhelm fight, where you run around opening up shortcuts.

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>>170246658
>no you're wrong

>>170246630
What didn't you like about DaS, that you did like about Bb

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>>170246630
DaS3 shares a lot with BB in terms of pacing, the main difference is that unlike the shields in BB, DaS3 shields block everything, yet despite this rolling is still the better option.

weapons in BB feel a lot more unique where in DaS3 a lot of them are basically just different skins with better or worse numbers to hit your enemy with. On the plus sign you can actually play a pure spell caster and go through the game just slinging magic around but prepare to be fucked if you play anything other than sorcerer or pyro

>>170246808

it's technically possible to play sorcerer but the game really doesn't want you to and kind of does everything aside from remove the mechanics to encourage you not to do it

dunno about pyro, that might be okay

>>170246746
I fucking knew it was you, I could tell by the butthurt. You see these posts here.

>>170245318
>>170245393
>>170245479

These anons are talking about you.

>>170246769
Well from what I did play, I hated that DaS felt so slow and clunky. Like the game was normal but the character was just built to be weighted down. Plus I got real tired of the bullshit kills. Turn a wrong corner and get knifed out of nowhere.
At least with Bb I'm able to see shit and learn ahead of time.

May seem stupid but it makes sense to me.

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>>170246862
the thing about sorcerer is that the game tries to trick you by giving you a million different spells, when the absolutely most efficient way to beat the entire game is using great soul arrow, because great heavy souls arrow/soul spear is too slow against a lot of bosses/enemies, where as great arrow you can spam with pretty high safety and decent damage.

the only boss I really had trouble with throughout the entire game on my mage was aldrich, because he has retard high magic resistance for some reason.

>inb4 MLGS
I only use that for pvp really

>>170246534
Literal elemental Dark being fired out of your dick, which has been the main source of Dark damage in both games since, does not possess the Occult effect, which you are claiming is 1=1 equivalent with the Dark damage type.

You're dumb.

>>170246959
You probably made yourself too heavy. But Dark Souls 3 is generally easier and faster.

>>170243592
FC over. thanks for coming.

>>170246293
It's funny because he actually takes more damage from dark than regular spells so your theory looks even dumber

>>170247034
Clearly meant for
>>170246658

I am being the dumb too.

>>170246904
I said there was no dark damage, rest of the anons are other people

not everyone is the boogeyman friendo

>>170247034
>Accidentally replying to yourself instead of me and calling yourself dumb.

Where exactly did I claim that they were 1=1 equivalent? Oh that's right I didn't, I said he gained a resistance to the Occult auxilary and referred to it as 'dark'.

>>170247125
He takes more damage from physical, not a 'dark damage' modifier. I thought you said it was me that was contradicting myself.

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>>170246904
>t-they can't be talking about me!!

>>170247398
Not the same poster, fagtron, put your dick away

>>170247060
>But Dark Souls 3 is generally easier
Is it? Everything's fast as shit and hits really hard.

>>170247519
>Everything's fast as shit

Did you mean: Everything is in 4/4 and if you can press the button on rhythm the literal only thing you'll have trouble with is Dancer, who is "Fist it to Death: The Boss" anyway?

>>170247467
I know they weren't talking about me because I was the one apparently saying 'no ur wrong' to everything. Not spouting the 'completely baseless made up shit'.

>>170247589
No, I didn't. Ds3 baddies are fucking QUICK in everything they do. Probably the biggest problem of the game.

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>>170247639
> Not spouting the 'completely baseless made up shit'.

Shit like "occult is dark" and "lorian and lothric are children of no known gods"?

>>170246862
>but the game really doesn't want you to
You get two of the best pve spells right in the farron swamp which is one hour after starting the fucking game, alongside with hidden body, the most overpowered stealth spell in series.
You also can get a poison staff with 4k damage per cast before even reaching the swamp and can get MLGS even before starting the Settlement.
Tell me about evil game shitting on sorcerers again, kek.

>>170247695
>Occult is dark
Yes anon, calling the dark effect on the dark hand, that you make using the dark ember, dark is 'completely baseless made up shit'. Which I said after they were posted.

>"lorian and lothric are children of no known gods"?
I didn't say this. I said you or whoever's theory that Gwynavere was their mother was 'sketchy'.

>>170247843
>can get MLGS even before starting the Settlement.
Post video of you killing Oceiros as a sorcerer before doing Settlement, I wanna see that

>>170247954
>Yes anon, calling the dark effect on the dark hand
???

>Gwynavere
?????

>I didn't say this
Ah, so you're saying that you agree with everyone so long as you're backed into a wall and can escape by failing to provide a viewpoint that can be attacked.

>>170247982
>get dark hand
>dark hand dancer
>dark hand Oceiros
Are you a garbage player or something?

>>170247982
All you need is a dark hand and some git gud and both dancer and oceiros get raped hard

>>170247982
are you shitting me

Do people actually die to Oceiros?

If you can beat Dancer, you can absolutely beat Oceiros, sorcerer or not

But Oceiros is a fucking joke

>>170248040
No I didn't say that either.

Also yes wow, I spelled a purposeful misspelling of an obscure name wrong, sure showed me with those question marks.

>>170248092
If you're not ready for his spasming all over the arena phase you might die. Maybe.

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>>170247060
>But Dark Souls 3 is generally easier
Now go and replay other souls games.
I shit down the throat of anyone who even tries to imply that they are harder in any shape or form.

Fume ultra greatsword needed a nerf, but not this big. Why would they nerf its damage so much without considering how many other things come into play. It has a ton of weight while being an ultra greatsword, meaning it has the lowest poise modifiers of the ultra weapons. And it requires 50 str to use. And now yhroms can reach around 700 damage with war cry but thats okay, right? I swear to god, fromsoft is really bad at nerfing weapons.

>>170248374
>Fume ultra greatsword needed a nerf
It didn't. It was completely fine.

>>170248421
Do you remember how much AR it had pre nerf? I never played the jap release so I never experienced it but I heard some pretty crazy things about pre patch FUGS.

>>170248559
So you weren't there but you're gonna start it up with this "needed a nerf" shit?

Fuck you.

>>170248559
The issue was it was buffable, so you'd have people buffing it with dark or something else and that's where the problem lay. if it was unbuffable but otherwise unchanged, it would have been fine. because the amount of stats and weight that are needed to be invested to even use the thing efficiently were the tradeoff for the huge damage.

>>170248326
To be fair, blocking like that WILL get you killed against later enemies. That stupid knockback has gotten me killed dozens of times - partially due to the fact that input in Dark Souls 1 couldn't be overridden once hit. Dodge a second too late - you get knockbacked, stand up, and proceed to dodge right into the enemy.

>>170248559
It went from 700 AR (which all UGS should have) to laughable 570-600.
And fuck you, it deserved them.

>>170248697
>To be fair, blocking like that WILL get you killed against later enemies.
ptdebabs everybody

>>170248697
>To be fair, blocking like that WILL get you killed against later enemies
You can go through the entire game blocking virtually anything. You can block all physical attacks of Manus with a heather shield.

Retards love to bitch about rolls in DS3 but in DS1 you only needed to hold L1 to be absolutely invincible. Add poise tanking on top of that and you get the most mindless playstyle possible in the entire series.

I want to mess about with CheatEngine on a pirated copy, does anyone have tables for Ashes of Ariandel? I can figure out the rest on my own. A lot of the CheatEngine forums links are fucked.

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>>170248326
I will admit that 2 & 3 are 'harder', but not in a good way.

The game engine is so reliable that the few enemies in 1 that don't follow the global rules piss me off. (Torch Hollows, Bridge Dragon, and a few others) Getting good in DS1 is truly a matter of gitting gud. 2&3 rely far more on enemies that cheat the normal rules (vastly reduced fall damage; infinite stamina; teleporting, etc.) and "Gotcha!" scenarios that work maybe twice (such as rooms that aggro a shitton of enemies from all around the level).

DS1 unfortunately falls prey to having easily abusable backstab boxes, which murders the difficulty once you learn how to exploit it.

>>170248635
I guess I'm not the one to say if it needed nerf or not, but I see how fromsoft is nerfing weapons and they're really not coming with good nerfs. The carthus curved sword nerf has also been handeld pretty poorly. Carthus now has the least damage of the falchion and followers sabre. Followers sabre has been nerfed pretty well. It has damage on par with the falchion while having identical stats but a different moveset/weaponart. But carthus has been fucked too hard. Sure it was broken but now on a dex build it has less damage than the carthus shotel. Bleed is neat but the carthus curved sword also weighs more than the other curved swords and has much higher requirements than the rest. It should have been nerfed to around the same damage as the falchion/followers sabre.

>>170248853
Eh. The blocking isn't THAT great. My first play through was with the standard sword/shield. Most bosses from Cappra Demon and on have at least one attack that goes through blocking (such as Manus' grab, which is extremely fast and punishing for shield users, or Smaug's hammer, or Quelaag's lava, etc.)

Dodging is superior once you get good at it. Which, in my opinion, shows a better game balance. DS3 the rolling is always the best, regardless. DS1, blocking is OK until you get good at rolling - and the rolling isn't as good as 3. Therefore, the blocking isn't as good as 3's rolling.

As for poise tanking, uh, no. A good number of enemies have moves that destroy poise tanking. I tried that, nope, only against the 4Faggots.

>>170248326
>You can take 1 hit from the boss after the first tutorial
WEW

Also, the Taurus demon can throw you off the edge even if you do end up blocking the hit.

Also, blocking in DS1 was a necessity because your rolls were weaker if you didn't have under 25% equip load. Which, if you did have, likely meant your defense was gimped.

>>170249167
Not him, but it really is. My first character, a Dex build, I had the BKS drop from the first enemy. That Stability, with 100 Physical and Fire resist and the amount of End I gave myself, I could block for days.

Blocking is ridiculously good in DaS.

>>170248995
It's not 3's enemies who are cheating. It's 1's enemies who are simply way too primitive to be a threat. I did my last DS1 playthrough a month ago and i was baffled at how terrible DS1 darkwraiths and silver knights are after the DS3 terminators, for example. They don't even try to kill you.

The only thing that created a semblance of difficulty back in DS1 is retarded platforming segments that simply don't belong to a game like this. Thankfully DS3 understood it.

>>170248848
>90% of vanilla bosses have a move that goes through blocking
>Prepare to Die Edition Baby?

>>170249167
>Eh. The blocking isn't THAT great
It is. Who are you trying to trick here, anon? Everyone here have a shittilion hours in DS1.

>>170249227
>you can block some of the heaviest physical attacks in the game with base endurance as a sorcerer while using a +0 wooden shield
If you don't understand how broken this is, you're far too gone into nostalgiafaggotry.

>>170249249
so much this. in das3, any enemy in armor will combo you into oblivion and poise through any attempts to counterattack.

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>>170249295
OH NO NOT A MOVE THAT GOES THROUGH BLOCKING

WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO

>>170249246
Fair enough. Each to his own opinion. I just remember blockspamming getting me killed until I learned how to fucking press the dodge button.

>Demon's Souls gets released
>There's not that much fuss, but in every site, forum and imageboard that does talk about the game gives it nothing but praise
>Dark Souls gets released
>Literally the entire internet is praising it like the second coming of God. Youtube comments, gaming site comments, even 4chan, you get some contrarian opinions here and there but the general sentiment is universal praise.
>Dark Souls 2 gets released
>Now people are bashing the game pretty hard, but there's still some defenders
>Bloodborne is announced
>Suddenly Souls games start to get bashed like they never were before and the shitposting about the series increases tenfold
>Bloodborne gets released
>The game itself gets praised as a masterpiece, but the community seems really salty about the series as a whole. Now you see many comments praising the series, but many bashing it for no apparent reason
>Dark Souls 3 gets released
>Now it sounds and seems like the entire fanbase is salty about the series and basically just complains all the time
>The userbase is more shitty than ever
>There's countless threads on /v/, but all of them are literally filled to the brim with shitposters and retards
Popularity was a mistake. So many sequels in such a short amount of time was a mistake. Pandering to Dark Souls 1 was a mistake.

>>170249394
>>170249249
I'm down with tougher enemies. Combos aren't cheating (as long as your player can eventually perform similar power/length combos), I'm talking about stuff like enemies taking almost no fall damage; getting to chase you at 40End and then still have enough stamina to perform a combo long enough to stun lock you; enemies getting poise when you get none; enemies that get to target you from literally outside your ability to aim; enemies with arrows that get heat seeking abilities; etc. etc.

Shit that is lazy programming to make it "hard" instead of making enemies smart enough to be challenging.

>>170249561
having sequels at all was a mistake
shouldve just been demons, dark, and bb

>>170249561
The fanbase got really bitter after dark souls 2 that's for sure.

>>170249580
the fact that you have to be within half of crystal soul spear's max range to even target someone is bullshit

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>>170249561
To be fair, DarkSouls was a masterpiece. Levels that were coherent from almost any angle, the beautiful vertical design, enemies that all followed your rules and were still very challenging, just enough hints at lore to keep players searching...

Then comes 2. Levels make no coherent sense. Vertical design has been thrown out in favor of playing Fable. Enemies now were exempt to the player rules and basically just did whatever to try and make the game "hard". Lore became this convulated fucker of nostalgia pandering and at the same time answered exactly 0 questions leftover from the first one.

Then we get 3, where players are meme'd over poise and the problems of 2 are all still present, even tho the creators tried so hard to rid themselves of DS2 they even dropped the good parts.

>>170249561
Yes, souls fanbase became one of the worst fucking gaming communities i know.
Almost Smash-tier.
I remember that back in early DS1 days a lot of people wanted a direct sequel and if they got DS3 during that time they would lose their fucking minds and praise it into oblivion. But now apparently direct sequels are bad because e-celebs say so.

>>170249764
>Then comes 2
>Lore became this convulated fucker of nostalgia pandering

hoho

almost bit that bait

>>170249764
>ds1 was a masterpiece
Ds1 was a great game, but it really had some glaring flaws.

>>170249808
>let's turn Resistance into Poise!
>But what will Poise become?
>lol

Players can only take so much trolling before just getting mean.

>>170249854
>Here is Ornstien's Armor for no reason whatsoever!
>Dragons are dead? Whaaaaaaat?
>Straid talks about the Witch and 4 Old Ones, but answers are the for the weak, amirite?
>Ricard's Rapier was a player favorite, it just kinda... laid around for a bit I guess?

Just the barest hints that they acknowledge the old game, but refuse to answer a single question posed by the series. It's dumb. The whole thing is dumb.

>>170249808
I remember most of the complaints were actually that Dark Souls II was too much of a direct sequel and that people wanted Drangleic to actually be a different kingdom to Lordran.

>>170249885
>let's turn Resistance into Poise!
What the fuck are you even talking about, retard.
Hasn't played since April or something.

>>170249862
>rewarding but not bullshit combat
>cohesive world
>free to explore without having shit shoved in your face
>unique and effective online play

Please name another game? Especially from anywhere near that time?

>>170250049
Most of the complains about DS2 weren't about being direct sequel because it wasn't. It was because of absolutely braindead fanservice tackled into it like le praise solaire covenant.

>>170250021
>Here is Ornstien's Armor for no reason whatsoever!
>Dragons are dead? Whaaaaaaat?
>Straid talks about the Witch and 4 Old Ones, but answers are the for the weak, amirite?

All of that is a failure to grasp Dark Souls 2's story, which is twice as easy to understand with DS3 out.

>Ricard's Rapier was a player favorite, it just kinda... laid around for a bit I guess?

This one is retarded but is no more retarded than Naked Wolnir using it in Dragon's Peak.

>>170250080
adp is the resistance of ds2
most people ignored it until sotfs came out because they thought it was worthless like res
but for some reason they thought it was a good idea to have it govern i-frames and poise

>>170250080
Resistance in DS1 does basically nothing, just like Poise in 3.

>>170249249
>>170249580
>>170249394
Dark Souls 1 is easier than 3, but I don't find that a problem, really, for various reasons. First off, only retards think that ''le hardcore'' is the main appeal of Souls games, or even the focus, they are mostly a complementary element. Second, From Software became increasinly more try hard in regards to making the game really hard as time went on, both because of the way the game was being labeled by Namco and the community, as being the most hardcore thing ever and bla bla, and because players were becaming more experienced with the mechanics of the game and thus, From Soft needed to make things more challenging to those people.

As a result, as people already pointed out sometimes here, the sequels to Dark Souls feel a lot more tweak and dependent on reflexes or just a very specific playstyle to beat them, which can be a bad or good thing depending on your perspective, to me, it's mostly bad. Dark Souls 1 was all about understanding how the level design, items and mechanics worked, it was a lot more about ''How can I do this?'' or ''Should I really do this?'' than ''I know what I have to do, but I can't'', meaning that the difficulty of the game was mostly dependent on knowledge, which is true to Dark Souls 3 as well, but much less so. Proven by the fact that clearing NG+ of Dark Souls 3 is MUCH more annoying than Dark Souls 1, because once you know what to expect, 1 becomes quite easy.

td;dr: Difficulty wasn't the focus of Souls games, as much as people liked to screen about this one shallow aspect, From is focusing much more on it now because the community loves to define the games as being super hardcore.

>>170250187
As i said, don't open your mouth if you haven't played since pre-AoA.

>>170250176
There is no cohesive story when all 3 are taking into account. It basically amounts to

>world is dying, someone saves it or dooms it
>but not really because cycles
>all weird unexplainable shit is because time wibbly wobbly bullshit
>nothing you do matters
>cycle forever
>the end never

>>170249862
Every game has flaws, 1 is a flawed masterpiece, like every masterpiece.

>>170250317
>I don't find that a problem, really, for various reasons
I don't find difficulty a worthy theme of talking about in relation to the souls games in general.
They are challenging enough to force at least a little of build tinkering and strategic approach to enemies and locations upon you, that's all that matters. Both 1 and 3 are just enjoyable games to play.

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So seeing as the pyromancers parting flame deals bonus damage at close range, I think it's fair to conclude they reworked the flickering pyromancy flame from the cut content.

This could hint at what The Ringed City has in store for us. On top of this dlc being all about the dark, we know other cut content including the heavy knight set and the great bat soul will appear so it's plausible we'll see some of the other flames.

One flame scales with hollowing and the other does bonus damage with dark pyros. I can see the hollowing one not returning since we'd probably end up with a DS1 situation where a quality melee build with 99 hollowing will suddenly be able to fire off max damage chaos bed vestiges.

>>170250317
scream*

>>170250378
No game with such a large drop in quality from the first to second half could be called a flawed masterpiece. It's just a great game that didn't quite make it all the way.

>>170250142
Dark Souls II was a direct sequel.

It was directly continuing the plot of Lordran and the first flame. Some people at the time wanted Dark Souls II to be set in a place like Astora, Vinheim or Caterina, and find out what sort of stuff was going on there.

>>170250105
I'm not comparing it too other games, but what I'm trying to say is the that cohesive world pretty much falls apart after the second bell. Level design after the second bell is hit or miss, still great levels but with some really bad ones too. Online was a unique concept and worked quite well except for humanity healing and backstabbing. Also hosts healing their phantoms by chugging is also a bad idea. Combat was also trivialized by backstabs and extremely powerful shields allowing for low risk circling around your opponent. Free exploration also is only for the first half of the game. What I'm trying to say is that while the game is great, it had some pretty bad decisions that are luckily handeld better in the sequels.

>>170250330
>AoA
>implying I even bothered to buy the game after getting bored with the pirated playthrough

And this is why I don't preorder shit. I own DS1, bought 2 on sale, but fuck FROM if they think I'm buying a 60$ nostalgia fest.

>>170250557
Trash like you is a reason souls community went into complete shit.

>>170250402
Don't get me wrong, being challenging is a big part of what makes Dark Souls great, but that should never be the main focus, it should always be a complementary element to build tension and create atmosphere, like it was in Demon's and Dark Souls.
>>170250487
This retardation about the second half will never stop, will it? There's a bunch of really glaring problems with the criticism aimed at the ''second half'' of Dark Souls 1. Firstly because it's not really the second half of the game, as accessing Duke Archives, Lost Izalith and Tomb of the Giants is more like 1/4 of the game, not half. And because it isn't nearly as bad as people make out to be.

Tomb of the Giants is, in my opinion, a very, very good area, with great level design and even a new element/gimmick introduced to it, also great in terms of both atmosphere and aesthetics. Duke Archives is also great in terms of level design, the only bad thing about it is the boss. The only area that isn't as great is Lost Izalith, that is. And it's mostly just an okay area in terms of level design, not even bad. I personally love Demon Ruins and Lost Izalith because they are the most interesting place in the game lore wise to me and it also has great closure to some character arcs, the bosses are mediocre though.

Anyway, the point is that people blow this criticism out of proportion, don't really know why. Maybe because the first half is just so amazing that anything less than a masterpiece would make people mad?

Also, just a reminder that AOTA, maybe the greatest DLC int he series, can only be accessed in the ''second half''.

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>>170250341
I am willing to say that DS2's story can be complicated and vague and I'm willing to accept that not everyone is going to think that it's a part of the series and has relevant story behind it.

>>world is dying, someone saves it or dooms it
>>but not really because cycles
>>nothing you do matters
>>cycle forever
>>the end never

You seem to understand the general premise, though I'd like to say that the "time is wibbly wobbly" garbage is only ever used to explain summoning/looting NPC corpses and "what happens behind fogwalls", literally nothing else. Miyazaki makes reference to it with Solaire and linking the fire, Gwyndolin/Smough's survival and other minor stuff like Tarkus implies fog walls are fucky (if fog itself didn't make that obvious enough), and NPC bodies are one last chance for From to tell a story with NPC's even if you kill X NPC in Y place. I think that's all fairly reasonable.

What gets people's ass in a knot is Manus time travel and Ashen Mist Heart time travel, both of which have their own explanations and don't use "le time is distorted :))' to exist, as far as we can tell. Because these exist, people take the "time is distorted" shit WAY out of proportion, and use it to explain every ounce of the lore that doesn't have a readily available explanation, which is dumb as shit -- then people say "hey wait, that's dumb as shit" and since so little of DS2 had readily available story, nearly the entire game got dismissed as "this timey wimey -- that's dumb as shit".

I can console almost every bit of story difference between 1, 2, and 3 in my head. My biggest issue is the cycle itself -- in 1 and 2, the Lord Souls were ridiculously important, had an explanation for why, and (at least in 1) were put a convenient place for use in a future cycle.

In 3, none of the Lord Souls are present whatsoever, Seath's soul is unimportant, Four Kings don't exist at all, and we reuse Lords of Cinder to link the fire.

Shit don't make no damn sense.

>>170250898
Ds2s references to the lord souls mentioned them as the remains, or that very little of them were left. It would stand to reason that by DS3 they have been fully depleted.

Now before anyone mentions Gwyn in SoCs second phase, that's purely fanservice. You could argue it's his fighting style if you really wanted to but it's not important lore wise.

>>170250898
Lord Souls should've stopped being important after DS1 because they were destroyed or almost completely destroyed in lordvessel. The very fact DS2 tried to use them again is baffling and Lords of Cinder are much better suited for a new story concept.

>>170226710
Looking for darksouls gf for a random person on the internet so he shuts up.

Word of advice, consider each game their own thing instead of trying to link them. I simply don't acknologe Dark Souls 2 and 3 as part of Dark Souls 1, they are just different interpretations of that game, at least that's how I see it.

Everyone with a little bit of thinking will come to the obvious conclusion that Dark Souls 2 and especially 3 are fanservice games that try to be either a side story or a continuation of a story that didn't need neither of those things.

>>170251102
this is nano191 aka god king kumomi hello looking for dark souls gf

Is the latest expansion worth buying?

What would happen if Nashandra actually took the throne?

>>170250176
>Ricard's Rapier

>tfw it was also a random drop from the spiders
>you could get a shit ton of them from farming.

Ok

>>170251114
>acknologe
acknowledge*

>>170246534
i think that's because of technical limitations. For the same reason they couldn't get the chaos pyros to scale with humanity when they should

>>170251101
I don't understand why putting them in the Lordvessel would destroy them. And they were only a bonus for New Game+ in DS2.

don't forget how occult is for hunting gods and their kin and in ds3 dark is good against confirmed descendants of the gods
>>170248040
in 1, the dark hand has an occult modifier. in 3, it deals dark damage

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>>170251067
>>170251101
>Ds2s references to the lord souls mentioned them as the remains, or that very little of them were left. It would stand to reason that by DS3 they have been fully depleted.

I don't think that's how it works. The reason they're "what little that's left" in DS2 is because Vendrick had already slain the four Great Ones of the cycle, then chose not to link the fire and smashed the Lordvessel containing them, "re-releasing" them to inhabit the people/lands they inhabit when BotC arrives.

I also think Vendrick's abandonment of the flame means that Dark Souls 2 is the closest to an actual Age of Dark has definitively been, which would explain why the Four Kings are a much greater influence than any of the four Lord Souls.

>Lord Souls should've stopped being important after DS1 because they were destroyed or almost completely destroyed in lordvessel. The very fact DS2 tried to use them again is baffling and Lords of Cinder are much better suited for a new story concept.

I don't agree that the Lordvessel destroyed the Lord Souls or that burning those who have already been burned makes any more sense than reusing the Lord Souls that got slapped into a new being every cycle.

>>170251180
I'm not touching Tseldora with a 50 foot pole.

>>170251342
I'd touch you with a 50 foot pole

>>170251502
fuck washing poles

>>170251502
I'll touch you with my 50 millimeter pole

Are people really denying fanservice in Dark Souls 2? Really?

Almost every bit of dialogue in that game makes reference to Dark Souls 1 in some cryptic way. And by the way, the story in Dark Souls 2 isn't complex, it's just EXTREMELY cryptic and contrary to popular belief, neither Dark Souls or Demon's Souls had a cryptic story, they in fact, have a very straightforward plot. The thing is that the implications, hidden meanings, interpretations and LORE of Dark Souls 1 are very complex and because of that, people tend to think that the plot of the game is convoluted or cryptic, which is not.

Dark Souls 2 is the game that I least know about in terms of backstory, mostly because I couldn't get interested in the lore like I was when playing Dark Souls 1, but also due to the fact that no one says anything solid or conclusive in that fucking game, everything is said in a extremely cryptic and enigmatic manner, like they are hidden something from you, which I believe, and no one will convince me otherwise, is because of how people praised Dark Souls 1 for having a enigmatic lore, so Dark Souls 2 tried to pander to that.

just picked up das3 and already learned that you can't do suicidal plunging attacks anymore. what other fun things did they suck out of the series?

>>170251679
>Are people really denying fanservice in Dark Souls 2? Really?

>Dark Souls 2 is the game that I least know about in terms of backstory

k

>>170251679
Just an observation you might like.

Dark Souls 1 item descriptions are usually statements.

Dark Souls 2 item descriptions are usually questions.

>>170251679
i think the main issue with ds2 is that it introduces way too many characters that it doesn't expand upon at all, it all seems too superficial. As for fanservice and references, the only thing that really bothers me (and it bothers me a lot) is how the sunlight covenant is handled. it reeks of "nudge nudge wink wink xD" reddit tier jokes.

>>170251837
I do know quite a lot about the backstory of that game though, it's just that I spent countless hours and days of my life reading, discussing and watching videos about Dark Souls 1 lore, as opposed to two. But that's not the point, you don't need to be a master in that game's lore to acknowledge its fanservice, you just need to look at the dialogues, item descriptions and even superficial aspects of the story. I'm also no master at Dark Souls 3 lore, but that game is pure fanservice.