/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

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This thread is now blessed by Gravelord Nito.

FIGHT CLUB

>>169146364

Where?

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post you are fashion

>>169146207
>tfw the Irithyll SS and frost weapon in general will never be good

>>169145586
>We had a short discussion of that earlier in the thread. Connections were made between the Abyss and water--specifically how the abyssal corruption in Oolacile was watery--and one anon proposed that the deep sea might be caused by all the humanity sinking deep into the earth and displacing the universe's water table, like a rock in a bathtub.

So a Bottomless curse, a Bottomless Sea?

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Reposting this incredible piece of drawfaggotry, which came about because someone asked, "What if we had a centaur lady like in the previous games, but with a crab?"

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Doing a kenshin cosplay for ds3. Any idea of what kind of stuff to wear?

DS2 SotFS or BB GOTY?

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>>169146565
I replaced the undead legion gauntlets with Karla's gloves but it's pretty much the same otherwise

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>>169146565
Nice fashions man.

>>169146886
BB GOTY

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>>169145710
So looking at that there's no corpses, like what's left of the Witch in the center. It's perfectly plausible that the nodes are magic restraints placed by the two missing daughters to restrict the Bed's power, considering it looks like it's freeing tree-arms with each node broken. But that's complete speculation.

>>169138019
Imagine how fucking terrible Souls games would be with inventory encumbrance.

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>>169146565
Jailor Robes are my eternal robefu

>>169147182
You never played Demon's Souls then?

>>169146886
SotFS

>>169147182
DeS?

>>169147241
>>169147349
I didn't. That sounds awful.

Though I guess DeS had smaller piles of weapons and armour to carry in your back pocket.

I want to play it but for some fucking reason they won't put it on NA PSNow.

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>try to act smart with the capra demon by poisoning my wep with resin from the nearby merchant
>never works
Could've been a neat little story for many players, but oh well.

>>169147721
If you want to be clever, throw poo over the wall so it lands on top of him and the dogs before the fight even starts.

>>169147349
Yeah pretty much agree. That mechanic was awful and if for some reason decide not to duplicate items farming was nightmare. I never found a pure bladestone and i played too much. But was kinda realistic, i guess.

>>169147721
He has A rank poison, toxic and bleed resists, sadly.

Decided to take the dive before the next dlc drops and got SOTFS.
Any tips before I start playing?

>>169148273
Meet stat requirements to at least two-hand a mace as quickly as possible, then dump many levels into ADP.

>>169148273
Be wary of the way Adaptability influences agility, which influences how effective your rolls actually are

>>169148273
Game in general feels somewhat clumsy and heavy in comparison to the other souls. And some fights are pretty annoying, be prepared to carry a lot of lifegems, those are useful and you can carry up to 99.

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>>169146565

I want to suck Karla's toes

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>Tfw thread is now slow as fuck cause a bunch of people got banned for falling for a baitpost

I hope we get to go here again

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>>169148716

>>169148273
Get the dead-zone fix if you're playing on PC and using a controller.

Don't be afraid to grind levels in the beginning, DaS2's start is pretty horrendous.

Level Adaptability for roll i-frames, aim for 96, 99 or 100 Agility.

Pick a school of casting to specialize in, but also have at least one reliable source of physical DPS.

Roll/strafe to the right.

Light the giant torches outside the boss room.

Aggro the Alonne Knights one at a time.

fun facts:

>dark souls is a retelling of the story of Prometheus

>the pygmy committed the first sin, granting humanity the gift of fire, and Gwyn punished him to an eternity of burning for his sin

>the sun is actually the flame itself from the burning pygmy

>the dark soul is dark because it is being suppressed

>as the pygmy's burning flame goes out, the dark soul starts to regain its strength, granting humanity the power of gods, such as immortality.

>the white corona of humanity, and of the dark sun, represents the dark soul regaining its true light.

>the usurpation of fire ending frees the pygmy's soul from his punishment, eventually allowing its true light to return. This is why the sun gains a white corona.

>>169148887
What post?

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Anyone able to help me kill friede? SL70, can get her to final phase (sometimes with NPC) but then I get graped. Pass is black if anyone is willing.

>>169149108
PC?

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>>169146207
LORIAN!

>>169149086

The tail end of last thread devolved into a /pol/-tier discussion of gender modes.

No need for elaboration.

>>169148910
When is Scas going to draw more lewd art?

>>169149051
>Dark Soul
>Being a soul of the light
fucking what

>>169149169
Forgot to mention PC, yes.

>>169149263
Would Lorian have taken the mantle as a Lord of Cinder, unlike Lothric?

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What the fuck was his problem?

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Welp, glad that's over with.

>>169149450

Whatever one decided, the other would have followed. Their souls were linked from birth, remember?

>>169149086

Someone said that its not gay lo like gwyndolin because he identifies as a woman.

Every person who responded got a 3 day ban.

>>169149556
Literally born a sociopath

>>169149581
That's what she said.

>>169148910
Not that one

>>169149614
What I mean is had Lorian been "chosen," the way Lothric was, would he have taken the opportunity to become a Lord? Lothric rejected it for whatever reason, but I don't think Lorian would have followed the same path

>>169149169
Thanks anon, you're best. Appreciate your help, now I can sleep easier.

>>169149450
I thought that it was implied that as Lothric being a weakling sorcerer had the ability to gather a lot of souls and be burnable. While Lorian being a beefy guy remain as the king. I wonder how or why their souls ended entwined, but i hope the explanation involves a lots of buttsex.

>>169149285

Nigger did you not see the fucking angels?

The dark soul is dark because it is being burned, its naturally a soul of pure white.

>>169149920
Happy to help dude.

Why do people say witch locks is the best whip? I did the math and sharp whip + buff or resin is either the same or only slightly less damage that lock unless you have a insanely high sl (talking 40/40/40 or more). Regular whips have the advantage of no innate split damage too, this is just going by pure numbers on MM.

Is there something Im missing about it? Its pretty awesome for pyro builds I guess but 40 dex and then spending that other 40 on other stuff seems better suited to an actual whip build

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>>169149643
>born a sociopath
Profaned Flame does stuff to you, man.

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>>169149285
I mean, I don't like his idea, but he's not wrong about that part

what do you guys think about dark souls as an allegory for the big bang/heat death of the universe

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>>169149996

Tfw

>>169149996
>angels
illusions created by abyssal monsters

>>169149960
Was't Lothric born with a curse and Lorian accepted the curse in his brothers stead?

>>169150060
I always felt that that the profane flame had an opposite effect on Sully compared to others.
Most were had their souls consumed by it and became empty hollowed out monsters.
Sully? He was inspired by it.

>>169150163

Never realized just how feminine the Pygmy's hands are. Could it be that all this time, mankind had not a father, but a mother?

>>169149960
If they really wanted a Lord, they would have sent Lorian to roast. The guy can take heat, he has the sword and track record of demon-slaying to prove it. If they were using Lothric because of his frailty and potential ability to make a better kindling, this is probably why the kingdom went to hell

>>169150296

Tfw the pygmy is velka, goddess of sin, and the souls of light and dark are not literally light and dark, but philosophically light and dark.

>>169150296
I believed manus was a woman myself considering the whole "daugthers of the abyss" deal.
Don't women (which are all firekeepers btw) have a special affinity for humanity?

>>169150223
While there are parallels it isn't really that similar otherwise, unless we start exploding galaxies to stave it off or something.

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>>169146565
all 4

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Is this "leaked" dlc art legit?

>>169150721

Yes but that doesnt mean they used it

>>169150721
Where is this from? It doesn't seem to be in the same style as other pieces of concept art for the game I've seen at all

>>169150035
I think whips are a really cool weapon class, but it kinda sucks having to use a whip made of hair as your best weapon. Never used it, but I just hear it's the best whip. I had fun with a low level Whip build, though it was a lot more of a challenge. I'd love to hear your thoughts and numbers on a semi-viable whip build.

The basic Whip is the best one, because when I think of wanting to use a whip in a video game, I obviously think of a classic whip design. Again, a great, fun weapon class that I really wish was shown a little more love, realism be damned.

>>169149556
Someone cut his dick off.

No, really.

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>>169150796
Ah that's cool. These things look like they were used (but with the humanity as heads) So I was wondering if that was still going to be in the last DLC.

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>>169150296
It's interesting that Kaathe doesn't use any pronouns when referring to the Pygmy, so I guess there's some plausibility. They don't look hollow either when picking up the dark soul.

>>169150519
That's moon sorcery.

>>169150296
>feminine
>third finger is longer than index finger

Retards make lore theories without knowing anything about anything, more news at 11.

>>169151135
I don't actually have it saved, but someone has a screenshot taken under his robe that shows he has a big ugly-ass scar where his dick is.

I really doubt it's actually canon or anything, so I was mostly joking, but it is a real thing on his model.

>>169150721
The artist would probably get shit on for massive spoilers so there might just be some familiar shit like scenery.

>>169146758
Why haven't we had a centaur lady but with a horse lower body?

>>169150519
>Manus, Father of the Abyss
>woman

Are you people willfully this stupid, or are you just trolling now?

>>169151364
Don't be ridiculous

>>169150294
>>169150452

I re read their weapons descriptions and indeed there is a talk about a curse, god knows why, on Lotric. If anyone goes really balls deep with the speculation turns out that Lorian being a beefy guy actually cared about his faggy frail brother who was supposed to be a champion. The king wanted a strong song to burn alive and keep the flame but had this frail guy which was only book smart and was seduced by that shady scholar with weird ideas about the linking of the fire. Lothric convinces Lorian about the truth and are tricked to link their souls as way to cure Lothric and everything goes wrong. With no realistic way to create a successor the king creates his ocelotte and starts to lose his mind and does a lot of lewd stuff to the descendant of Gwyn.

>>169151421
Final DLC boss
Womanus, Mother of the Abyss

>>169150519

Women are naturally more in tune with the moon, also sometimes referred to as the dark sun.

Im pretty sure the pygmy is velka

Playing through DaS for the first time, trying to avoid reading too much and just playing through as new, but I would like some advice if I'm taking my character in the completly wrong direction, just about to enter sens fortress and this is how I'm shaping up (can't post a screenshot because phone posting):
Main weapon: laito +7
Secondary weapon: raw longbow +2
Left hand: shield/pyromancy (great chaos fireball)

Wearing mostly the sealers stuff from blight town with the gargoyle helm.

Stats are:
Vit/end/str: all around 19/20
Attunment: 2 slots, level 12 maybe
Dex:25
Other stats: little if any changes from stock wanderer.

Is going for weapons that scale with dex a good idea for the main game? Or should I just stick with a heavy hitting weapon and invest more in end and str?

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>>169151135
teeheehee i peeked up the pope's dress

his heart is also carved out, he is a cold and heartless tyrant incapable of physical and emotional love

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>>169146565

>>169151459

Actually lothric was completely disabled, probably couldnt even talk. Lorian took half the burden

>>169151142
>That's moon sorcery.
Moon sorcery? I don't remember much about this.

>>169151485
I wanted to read as:
Manus Woamanus of my anus.

>>169149556
Imagine being born in an icy world full of creepy ass birdmen with their entrails hanging out and shit
Imagine being a prodigal sorcerer in a completely useless status effect
Imagine coming out into the world and finding it to be even shittier
Imagine coming to a city of fine ass tall bitches with fine asses but having no dick since you're a fucking tree
Imagine coming to the city of the gods which happens to be two corridors and a staircase
Imagine finding the last traces of the majestic old gods to be a degenerate trap with snakes for legs
Imagine finding out that everyone, EVERYONE in power is a complete fucking bitch that refuses to burn to save the world

>>169151059
id like to know what DaS2's fascination with headless enemies is.

>Vengarl
>Mannequins
>Brume Tower lava giants
>this unused concept

>>169151543
>autist eunich

Wow he really is /our boy/

>>169151630
What's wrong with your legs?

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>just realized that Sunlight Spear actually IS in DS2
>it's a covenant reward
Dark Souls 2 is really great at testing your faith, if nothing else.

>>169150454
>the pygmy is velka, goddess of sin
Fuck. This sounds like something that might actually be true.
Aren't their item descriptions that imply that velka was working against the gods of anor londo?

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>>169149960
The way I saw them getting linked is basically that Lothric was going to burn while Lorian ruled the kingdom but because they were loving brothers (see massive amount of candlewax for lube) Lorian decided to defend his brother and take his frailty into himself to make him feel better.

>>169151875
I skipped leg day

>>169151883
I was pretty sad to find that I usually only do around 350 damage to most enemies when I throw a fucking sunlight spear at them with 99 faith.

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>>169149556
daddy wasn't there

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>>169151857
I forgot-

>Mytha

>>169151653
It's not sorcery, but moon bullshit is compared to being very similar to it.

>>169151857
Dark Souls 2 is primarily about the loss of self through the Curse.
You yourself are all but gone in the beginning of the game, your friends are all losing it and don't remember why they came.
No head = no mind = no self

This tends to be most prominent in constructs.
It's not just headless things either, there's the empty Ironclads, the completely stone Old Knights or twinblade horsemen, etc.

>>169152007
Fucking what? Are you using a broken +0 chime or something?

>>169151923

If i remember correctly velka was a literal outcast, hence the title goddess of sin.

>>169151653
Not much is really discussed about it, it's only sort of mentioned here and there like fire sorcery.

>Dark Moon Set
>The power of the moon was strong in Gwyndolin, and thus he was raised as a daughter.

>Tin Darkmoon Catalyst
>Gwyndolin is Gwyn's last born and a legitimate god, but he is also a Moon sorcerer, and this wand is boosted by faith, not intelligence.

The connection being that moon sorcery, whatever it was, was heavily associated with women since they had a natural affinity for it. Probably because the sun, which was Gwyn's domain, was considered masculine.

>>169151054
I hear people say its the best whip but I dont see how, which is why I asked. Seems like resin or just spending the levels for a int/fth spread in only one stat for a suped up buff gets tou the same general numbers

As for a viable whip build I was gonna try hollow but 40 dex and 40 luck only adds like 10 or less damage over sharp.

My new idea is whip with an offhand bandits knife and do a quality build, then throw lots of bombs and knives inbetween long ass whip pokes

>>169152283

Moon is the symbol of the dark bruski, gwyndolin is attuned to it because the pygmy is his mummie

>>169146356
What happens when a thread isn't blessed by gravelord Nito?

>>169152540
Nothing, because Nito's power was totally stolen by fucking Pinwheel

>>169151923
Not explicitly against them for the sake of it, she was the Goddess of sin. Not for the action of sin, but the recording and punishment of it. She's sort of like a grand inquisitor, which back in the day even the wealthiest noblemen hated and feared because they could take everything away in an instant. Presumably Velka didn't turn a blind eye to the fuckery of the Gods, which is what made her outcast.

Either way, I think the Pygmy was defined by being frail and powerless on their own, and instead relied on their patience and intelligence to play the long game. Velka could've been in league with the Pygmy at one point, but she seems way too strong and defined, plus a god at that, to be the Pygmy. Gods and humans are two distinct races, after all.

>>169152525
Stop trying.

>>169152283
You're forgetting

>A ceremonial sword, held in Pontiff Sulyvahn's left hand, representing the judgement of the moon, but with magic far closer to sorcery than any existing lunar power. Its dark blue hues, deeper than the darkest moon, reflect sorcerer Sulyvahn's true nature.

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>>169146207
>not using this as the op
Shame.

Dark Souls 3 Question

Does the Farron Ring reduce FP used for spells/miracles or just Weapon Arts? The rings states "Reduces Skill FP consumption"
Thanks

>>169151059
Is that the burial knight skirt?

So I haven't played a souls game since ds3 came out last year but I didn't finish it and I want to just finish it this time.

What's the easiest build to play through the game with?

>>169152670
I was wondering why he didn't. What a faggot.

>>169152681
Just WA's, you want the Dusk Crown Ring for magic.

>>169151535
Halberd or black knight sword can carry you through the ehole game. You find halberd at that one castle in Undead Burg? I can't remember exactly where, I haven'y played in forever. Healing miracles and pyromancy = easy mode

>>169151665
And you may find yourself living in painted world
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the skeleton wheel.
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful dancer.
And you may ask yourself
Well...How did I get here?

Letting the days go by
Let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by
Water flowing underground
Into the blue again
After the souls gone
Once in a lifetime
Water flowing underground

thanks i guess you made listen to that old song again the though of sulyvahn like that was amusing.

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>>169152283
>not much is discussed about moon sorcery
Seathe had the real affinity

>>169152681
Just weapon skills.

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>>169152701
>skirt

>>169152195
lightning spears are just THAT bad

>>169152884
Go away medieval /k/ i dont know the proper term
Someone dig up the burial knight pics please

Where can I watch PvP without being minmaxed to shit? It seems like there's no point to invading unless you can do a whole lot of damage very quickly.

>>169153001
Are you talking lightning or sunlight
Sunlight spears do 1k+ minimum at 50 faith

>>169152615
>Gods and humans are two distinct races, after all.

Thats one of the distinct story aspects of the prometheus story, a god giving mortals the wisdom of the gods. You find the same thing in the bible, of a snake giving humans the wisdom of the gods.

That is the general theme dark souls seems to be going for at this point, a prometheus/serpent character desiring to give mankind the knowledge and wisdom of the gods, and zeus/yahweh works against it.

The first sin, in the eyes of the gods, would have been granting a soul of the gods onto humanity, and the second sin would have been to accept it.

What level is best for Aldrich Faithful PvP? I'm SL50 right now.

>>169153207
SL 50 will provide a non-stop amount of activity.

>>169150163
>>169150296
Never realized just how roasted the pygmy's hands are. Looks like he/she/whatever touched the stove one too many times.

>>169152670
Image duplication, and too lazy to fuck around in Paint and/or Photoshop.

>>169153361
How high you think I can go and still get fast summons?

How does one gankspank a group that all use greathammers/axes or UGS

>>169152843
Seath's magic straight up comes from the bullshit cross-universe abyssal cosmos deep infinite nothing realm that little extradimensional faggots keep coming out of and giving people "revelations" and also Moonlight.

>>169153773
I thought it came from soul infused crystals?

>>169151535
Dex weapons will do you fine and the Iaito is decent in its own right, there are very few outright shit weapons really. Only real nudge I'll give you is that there's a better bow for you in an area you'll be able to access before Sen's, so maybe have a look around. Also watch out with making stuff raw, it's good at lower levels of upgrading but just taking a weapon to max will end up with better damage even without the stat bonuses that raw loses out on.

>>169152628
>but with magic far closer to sorcery than any existing lunar power. Its dark blue hues, deeper than the darkest moon, reflect sorcerer Sulyvahn's true nature.

Deep sorcery?

>>169153860
He created those nigga. It's not like some random fucking soul crystals just appeared out of nowhere and he went "shit this is rad". He's explicitly stated to have invented sorcery.

I'm memeing a little because DeS, DaS, DaS2, BB, and DaS3 all have a character who received a revelation from some spooky other realm, went crazy, and got Moonlight.

>>169152818
Yeah I found the halberd, tried it our but really didn't like it, at what point do I get the black knight sword, beaten 4 or 5 of them and only have the shield so far.
My question is really: Will my build of dex/pyro build absolutely dick me over later in the game?

>>169152615
>Gods and humans are two distinct races, after all.
Two distinct races with a single common origin.

>>169153928
It's Pontiff aping Gwyndolin's style. It's not actually moon magic.

It's generally more supporting evidence that moon bullshit is closer to sorcery than miracles.

Though in the period of DaS1, almost all miracles are ascribed to the sun anyways.

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Play through Dark Souls I
>Fucking hell, this game always feels like a bit of a journey, but goddamn if it doesn't grow on my nerves by the end. Time to not play it for at least a year...

Play through Dark Souls II
>oh man, this game's so long and varied, can't wait to play through again woth a different build

Play through Dark Souls 3
>Well that was short and boring. Why do I keep coming back to this?

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>Dark Souls 3 ednings are either a red sun, a white sun, or no sun
>we basically got a Mass Effect 3 tier ending with different colored suns.

Wew From

Could I successfully do a build using Dark and Deep Miracles without them being the main focus? Maybe just as supplements to a standard Str/Dex build, whichever would be better complimented?

>>169154024

Seaths insanity revelation was one he learned himself though. He peered into the soul and pulled a manus

>>169154191
Are you my evil doppelganger or something?

I've played Dark Souls 1 what must be 15 times, but after I got through Dark Souls 2 the first time, I was massively burnt out on its level design and core controls and mechanics. I started a second file, and then dropped it immediately after realizing I had to level ADP again. Came back to it later to play the DLC, and it was such a slog I almost didn't do it. After I beat Ivory King I didn't even finish the game either.

>>169154273

Only stuff that doesnt scale. Hexes are refined for spellcasters

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So why did we never get the bleeding sun dumping shit on the world while spiky hedehogs were growing out of the floor?

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Any critiques/suggestions to make this more efficient? I'd maybe switch out the BKS but it's the closest looking thing I could find.

>>169154560
absolutely terrible choice of armor pieces
>BKS
stop trying to fit meta shit into your "epic cosplay"
>hur it totally fits because [insert retarded stretch here]
no it doesn't and just makes you look like an idiot

>>169154307
All of them are. DeS got Moonlight from looking into the nature of the Old One, from the infinite nothingness. Bloodborne got Moonlight from looking into the nature of the Great Ones, from the abyssal cosmos. DaS2 and 3 got Moonlight from looking into the nature of the Everlasting Dragons, from the ashen mist/Seath's research.

People look for knowledge on omniscience and immortality, learn some forbidden shit about some beings outside of time and space, go bugfuck crazy, get a sweet glowing blue sword.

>>169154515

Because consoles couldn't handle that shit.

>>169154560
>offhand buffable weapon with non-buffable mainhand
>flame in mainhand
>carthus flame arc
I have bad news

>>169153716
Fire surge, 4 ashen estus and patience

>>169154373
To be fair, vanilla DaS 2 is just complete shot compared to SotFS.

But then I'm the only person in these threads who likes 2, so idunno...

The level design is what I like the best. 1 and 3 tend to just throw items in plain sight. In 2 I have to go out of my way to collect everuthing, even if I don't use most if the stuff. I just like it better that way. And I like it's way of throwing challenges at me via composition of enemy groups. As opposed to 1's 1v1 encounters and 3's dumbass Bloodborne enemies.

>>169154515

Its in the dlc

>>169154560
>no one gets it's just a fume cosplay

Lothric knight sword is the closest to the SS, I think

>fighting dragonslayer armor with my +9 Astora's GS
>struggling a lot
>try out my +2 bastard sword
>it's 500% easier and my damage output is actually higher because of speed

this game is broken

>>169154098
Well yeah but that's like comparing corgis to wolves. Common ancestor, very different results.

>>169154979
Sorry for shitty spelling, my phone hates me.

>>169154191
what about Demon's Souls?

>>169154979
>liking the way DaS2 throws enemies at you

Okay, you're in an extremely, extremely small minority here. Even people who like the game usually cite the lazy enemy placement as bad design.

>>169155126
What about it?

Fight club please

>>169155126
I got rid of my PS3 after it broke on me for the 3rd time. Haven't bothered with consoles since.

DeS was ok though. Clunky as fuck compared to DaS series tho.

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Well what we know of the Primordial Crystal was that it was some sacred treasure of the everlasting dragons and Seathe made off with it when he betrayed them.

Going by hints and shit in DaS1 it looks like he took the crystal and made sorcery from its energy. He then combined it with whatever curse is, this allowed the crystal to spread and get on everything and probably created crystal sorcery, crystal weapons, and crystal undead. Somewhere around here I think he went batshit insane.

He somehow used it create artificial life and golems. Eventually he linked the crystal with his soul, giving him a form of immortality. When we find him he's currently kidnapping and experimenting on women to make them into those weird squid things and making chimera creatures like the snake men.

Also by linking himself to the primordial crystal he somehow infused his essence into the crystals themselves, so as long as the crystals exist, Seathe exists.

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Is SL 40 too high for Watchdog Invasions?
My weapons are +2 only

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>>169155274
You forgot your image

So here's a question, how come the arena in DaS1 never caught on, but the one in DaS3 seems to always have at least some activity? I mean, the DaS3 one is even more of a pain to actually get.

>>169155521
I don't get it

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>>169146565

>>169154560
I would say use lorian leggings instead. it better emulates the long raggedy tailcoats on Raime's armor

also

>Black knight sword

no. just use a normal longsword dummy

I would be more mad that the Fume sword is in your wrong hand, but DaS3 sucks with offhand weapons so I wont get mad.

>>169146632
Armor defenses are too similar, you have roughly the same poison, bleed and frost defenses in every set with only minor deviation.

Even someone in heavier armor won't be able to tell the difference crushing and slashing weapons because they likely would only be taking 30-40 more damage. Part of me wishes defenses were spread out more with armor that has a higher specific defense lacking in another defense, but then people would just swap weapons\gear even more when they were fighting people.

>>169155387

What crack are you smoking

Crystals are soul energy given physical mass, he created them as part of his research into immortality. Primordial crystal is the one tied to him.

Judging from all the black crystals in the DLC theres probably a dark soul crystal we gotta smash crystal hex magic fucking lmao

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>>169146565

>>169155204
I think it's a genuinely good in a sense of giving ne a puzzle for all the encounters. 1v1 gets old and should be reserved for bosses in my opinion.

Figuring out how to deal with each mob composition is fun for me and I like seeing how I need to use slightly different tactics for every new build or flavor I try.

And in the end you ALWAYS have bow & arrow kiting to negate most if not all difficulty in DaS 2 anyways...

In comparison, 1v1 battles that arent bosses just consist of figuring out when the enemy takes a breather for me to attack and how to dodge past their swings. Mobs and ambushes require more awareness and decision making.

E.G. the drake keepers that never stop attacking. You gotta unlock from them and run behind their swings instead of wasting time on rolling through their attacks. That way you have time and stamina to hit them in their blind spot and roll out of their counter attack... I love that shit. Taught me that I could just run around enemies instead of rolling or blocking their attacks.

In comparison you have these dumb hyperactive enemies in 3 that inevitably stop to let you hit them, plus can be parried anyways. Just boring. Also, items that sit in plain sight, just rewards for clearing whatever npc was guarding them.

>>169155891
>what crack are you smoking

Lore videos. Don't even bother trying to reason with these people. What is actually shown and explained in the game <<< some cockfuck's deviantart story inspired by a youtube video comment chain.

>>169156080
That's just all Drakeblood. Fashion should be a mash up of sets that look good.

>>169156148
>Remembering all that time spent farming Drake Keepers
Jesus christ I'm actually experiencing PTSD.

>>169155621
I might steal this, it looks really good.

>>169153909
The Pharis bow? I've got it but the damage seems poorer than the longbow, even with the better scaling?

>>169155621
>wearing make up on the battlefield

For what purpose?

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>>169156212
drakeblood is the best
>>169156351
i might steal your mom :^)

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>>169156410
>wearing make up on the battlefield

>>169156269
I never understood why they gave people so much trouble. Just gotta think about it a bit and it's pretty simple once you figure them out. They even have a universal strategy most characters can utilize (like I said just sprint behind them in a wide angle).

I also never understood the hate for Blighttown, Sen's, Shrine of Amana, etc.

Sounds like speed runner woes to me but idunno. I guess not everyone likes to be meticulous in PvE like I do.

>>169156385
Oh shit my bad, forgot the longbow has the same Dex scaling, the benefit of Pharis' bow is the better range.

>>169153569
Highest I've tried was SL 90 and things were still very active.

>>169156572
>comparing battle facepaint that's meant to intimidate to female face paint meant to make other men want to fuck them

Yeah, I'm sure that lipstick is gonna scare all those hollows away.

>>169156410
Why not?

Why would yhorm the giant link the flame unless giants are hu/mans?

>>169156867
>Yeah, I'm sure that lipstick is gonna scare all those hollows away
Hey man plenty of people get nervous around women

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>>169155891

>black crystals

Wew shit so this is how it ends, with evil seath

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>>169146565
Is Bloodborne fashion ok?

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>>169156662
well the main issue with bighttown was the framerate, made it dreadful to comb through to get all the items on a first playthrough
obviously with the release of the PC version this became a nonissue
>>169156867
so she looks pretty when she stabs people in the cunt with a 45 inch claymore

>>169157010
Gwyn wasn't a human either and he still linked it. Its not that only humans can link it just that their humanity is linked to the strength of the flame so as it fades they become hollows.

>>169157086
>so she looks pretty when she stabs people in the cunt with a 45 inch claymore

Her being pretty is only gonna encourage the enemy to fight harder so that they can violate her once they overpower her. You know strong the power of boners is?

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>>169146565
Cleric

>>169157064
Lamp head was so silly but so fly

>>169156867
Can't swing your sword if all the blood is rushing to your dick.

Fashion is temporary, but style is forever, my man. Fresh to death.

>>169157223
Nigga hollows don't get boners. Their dicks are as whole as the rest of them.

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Man Dark Souls 3 has the best art design in the series, so fucking cool!

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>>169157223
nobody gets boners or has sex in lordran

>>169157483
I fucking hate that enemy. Swings too fast.

>>169157483
dammit that sword would be so much better if it was a longsword (greatsword ingame) like in the art

Give me the most fun faith weapon in DasII

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>>169157483
>Man Dark Souls 3 has the best art design in the series, so fucking cool!

I would say Bloodborne has the edge if you're more into Lovecraftian stuff than on medieval fantasy stuff

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>>169157249
>Cleric
>A freaking axe
>AND A SHIELD
That's borderline heresy.

>>169156662
Because they're a dramatic jump in difficulty, thats really the only reason.
They're relentless compared to most enemies, have almost unbreakable poise and tons of 360 attacks.

>>169157652
your wearing a womans shirt

>>169156681
Okay, I'll stick with the longbow for now, but might be worth un-raw-ing it?

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>>169157615

>>169157032
Seath was always evil.

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Help me name my ds2 spear pyromancer.

>>169157615
I was really impressed with it when it first appeared, but then it just becomes so much blue and tentacle and I got sick of it.

Too much blood is just ketchup, and all that.

>>169157798

*misunderstood

>>169157807
Fhoahog

>>169157615
BB's world design is godlike imo, but enemy design is really lacking because everything is either tentacle monster, zombie or hairy beast thing.

>>169157738
He's wearing woman's everything. That's the joke.

>>169157807
Salaman. We a prequel to Dark Souls now, bois

>>169156410
Have you seen a Desert Sorceress?

>>169157807
Ieaddihoot

>>169157962
And the enemy design varied in the other games how?

>>169157748
Looking at the wiki page I'd say at 20 Str/25 Dex the regular Longbow would probably start out damaging your raw+2 once it reaches regular+5 or so, which probably sounds bad, but raw caps at +5 while regular goes to +15. So anyway yeah, you'll have lower damage for a little while unless you're already stocked up on Large Titanite Shards but it'll pay off soon enough.

What's the best option for fists? I used to do fun as fuck fist runs n DS2 but the caestus has been majorly nerfed in this one both in speed and power.

What's the best weapon I can do as a STR fist master?

>>169158021
Except that they deliberately wear those veils so that you can't see their faces. Not like they're wearing the makeup on their tits.

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>>169158021
Slutwear is a valid combat strategy.

>>169157985
hes a pretty woman

>Darksigh sun rises
>but you can't see it in Irithyll or Firelink Shrine
I understand that the moon in Irithyll is an illusion but firelink....why?
Is firelink shrine in another plane or something?

>>169158237
Thats what they want you to think

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>>169157867
>>169157962
Yeah, that's a fair point about BB's design; you could argue it has less variety because it sticks to one theme.

However, I think it at least varies it up a bit within it's own themes:

You got a lot of beast enemies, but they're all not the same. You got some that are more canine based like wolves, but you also get beasts that look more like deers and Ludwig is a horse beast.

Same with the kin, they're all tentacle monsters, but you got some based on acquatic creatures like Moon Presence, Kos and Ebrietas, you got insectoid-based like Rom, the Garden of Eyes and the bloodlickers, and even some humanoids like Emyssaries, Orphan, and brain suckers.

The Hunter/human enemies help balance this too.

>>169157064
>>169157281
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPjJCVylFBo

>>169158437
I think part of it was that it felt really really long the first time I played through it. Doing it the second and third time felt much shorter than I remember, and so the designs didn't stick around too long to get quite as old.

The variety in beasts is actually a pretty high point, considering they're essentially all wolves. The DLC was really on point about its designs.

>>169158232

If you want to go full STR, then consider the Demon Fists. The regular Caestus is a quality weapon.

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So all this talk about good art, what's the souls game with the worst art? (I actually think all the Souls games have excellent art)

I would say 2.

>>169158847
Art as in concept art?

Dark Souls 2 had a lot of incredible concept art that never made it into the final game, which mostly looks like ass.

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>>169158776
kek

>>169158847
It's definitely the least inspired one.

Bloodborne has all those original cosmic mosnters, Dark Souls 3 has all that crystal knight and unique knights, and dark souls 1 and demon's have a few unique design.

Most of 2's art is kinda of bland fantasy stuff.

what's the best weapon upgrade level for an sl 80 character?

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>>169158954
>that Shaded Woods art that was posted the other day compared to the slop we got ingame

>>169158329
Yes

>>169159076
Can I get sauced nigga? I wanna know what that piece of poop could've been

>>169159032
The guy posted a literal dwarf by another name, so yeah.

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>>169159076
>tfw shaded woods

Now I really wish I hadn't freed Lautrec

>>169158232
Someone explain to me how the fuck a sword or lance is faster than fists?

These fucking faggots couldn't balance a game if they had a god damn scale.

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>>169159271
It hurts

>>169159076
>>169159296

And all that torch stuff we were going to have that just kinda disappeared...didn't DS2's art get savaged during development though?

>>169159435
Because swords do actually travel faster than fists because it's a fucking lever? Did you skip school completely by any chance?

redpill me on the golden ritual spear

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>>169158805
>The variety in beasts is actually a pretty high point, considering they're essentially all wolves

This. For all the fuzz people make about most of the game's bosses being fuzzy beasts (which is not true, if you look at the boss list there is a fine balance between Kin, beast and humanoid bosses) most beasts enemies are unique what with having different beast categories such as regular beasts which are just werewolves, cleric beasts which look more like deers on steroids, dark beasts which are fucking rad electric boogaloo shitshows and ludwig there's a lot of variety.

>>169159076
>that Shaded Woods art that was posted the other day compared to the slop we got ingame

Did you save it by any chance

>>169159584

it's shit

next question

>>169159435
Because it's not supposed to be balanced and From doesn't care about balance.
Anyone who pretends they care or should care about it is either a newfag or dellusional

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>>169159637
>MFW someone uses lock-on near me

>>169159545
The weight of the sword and the effort needed to swing it alone makes them slower by nature. Assuming the same range when both attack and it's close, a sword should have no chance in hell against a fist.

I don't know why that guy would bother with fists. They have short as fuck range, shit hit detection on monsters, weak as fuck, and you can't stagger a nigger for more than 2 L1s in a row which don't even damage as much as a single weapon hit from anything else.

Fists are complete and total garbage in DS3.

>>169159637
I remember hearing Miyazaki actually locked himself in his office to design Paarl alone because he didn't trust the concept artists to get what he envisioned.

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>>169159453
This is completely irrelevant but when looking through that thread in the archive I noticed the second line of this post is in italics, what's up with that?

https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/168918403/#168927306

>>169159637
See>>169159453

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What if Gwyndolin ate Aldrich?

>>169159746
Hi guys, Archibald here. Did anyone happen to see my lil' good boy Paarl? The old sport broke outta his cage and jumped the face over to the Old Yharnam distric. I want to find him as soon as possible, I heard rumors of that filthy outsider roaming Old Yharnam killing beasts like a madman.

Paarl looks like that and has a sparkly collar, cant miss him.

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>>169160117
He's in the big Chalice Dungeon in the sky now, with the rest of his fellows

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>>169159931
>that quote
Heh

Just booted up DS3. I seem to have internet access buy have no PSN subscription and have never activated the free month trial. What's going on?

>>169159894
The sword has more range and speed.

The weight of the sword is negligible, because like I said, it's a lever. A punch will never travel as fast as a blade and even if it did, range IS speed.

If your weapon has shorter range, you have to cover that range with your feet and the speed of your feet is always slower than the speed of your arms, so the guy with the sword that can cover that range with just his arms (by using the sword) has an speed advantage.

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>>169159894
>The weight of the sword and the effort needed to swing it alone makes them slower by nature

Well, let's see. Here's a video of HEMA guys;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o05K0sgEHQ
and I'll just take a random MMA video
https://youtu.be/MWN_jsGyCzQ?t=3m
and we can all watch to see how marked the difference in speed is.

Although as an aside, if we're going to go by realism or verisimilitude in any sense, fists should be even more shit than they are because when you've got armor and swords available there's never a reason to fight with your fists, they're always just inferior maces.

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>>169160286
W-what? But he's a nice beast he wouldn't hurt a fly why THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE DO ANY HARM TO HIM THIS IS WHY WE FUCKING NEED THAT WALL FUCK ALL OUTSIDERS

>>169160510
you forgot to account that the HEMA guys are just enthusiasts with normal lives that do that as a hobby

the MMA guys train every fucking day of their lives to that

>>169160581
He just wanted to play. Apparently that gives the fidgety outsiders a free pass to killing him

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Since /bbg/ is dead, can we finally merge? I mean Bloodborne's always been in the OPs.

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>>169160767
>drangliec
>dollar signs

>Since /bbg/ is dead
>>169075978
?

>>169160767
It's not dead, it just hits bumps in the road. BB drifts over here every once in a while, but not enough to derail the thread

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>>169160469

Oh, are you talking about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0LpsnO0E4U

I always thought this was super interesting about swordsmanship because of how different it is from fist-fighting, where there's a lot less emphasis on extending yourself.

Clearly the Souls player character should be animated very differently.

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>>169159474
Yes. DaS2 had to restart or reboot development at LEAST twice, possibly more.

There's a first time, which is when Tanimura replaced whatsis name the other Director, who was never heard from again, but is still credited. I dont remember how that went, but there was some kind of problem there.

Second was when They were developing an open world game, but Bamco said "no. make it more like Dark Souls 1." So they had to scrap everything and salvage the different areas they had started.

Then further in, they had to go back and downgrade everything graphically because after people complained about DaS1's PC port, they developed DaS2 primarily for PC, but didn't take into consideration console limitations and parity.

And then, somewhere most likely after that, (but possibly before as well) they ran out of time and had to cut shit that was still in development, like the original concepts and areas for the gutter, (such as the big underground bridge with all the houses piled up on each other, or the giant depths looking place with the giant hatch seen in the initial teasers), they had to almost entirely scrap Iron Keep, The Dark Chasm itself is basically leftover fragments of a much larger actual level accessed through a graveyard...

the list goes on and on, and most of the unused level data is still in the (base at least) game's files.

http://imgur.com/a/IsMVB

http://imgur.com/a/IsMVB

http://imgur.com/a/O6A8r

http://imgur.com/a/1G55E

and get ready for this one

http://imgur.com/a/njm2t

http://illusorywall.tumblr.com/post/87722073859/dark-souls-2-possible-remnants-of-an-unused-area

what kills me most is the unused bridge/aqueduct in the shaded woods, that is a major world setpiece, and is clearly supposed to lead to Drangleic castle, (a-la-Boletaria) and is COMPLETELY unused, along with a side entrance to Drangleic castle. (entered FROM the bridge)

Theres also an unused back entrance to the Purgatory, pic related

Anyone awake? Seems pretty quiet tonight.

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>>169160726

Even with that in mind I wouldn't say the punches are really faster. Even at shorter distances than the fencers, it seems to take about the same time or more for them to throw a substantial punch at the other person, and noticeably slower if they attempt a kick. Jabs seem like they might be a bit quicker, but a jab is a jab, and again requires being much closer for way less reward on a successful hit.

To me this would seem to just reaffirm what should seem obvious; a punch is inferior in every way to a thrust or a cut. The only situation in which a punch is better is one in which a thrust or cut is not available.

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>>169161162
>Then further in, they had to go back and downgrade everything graphically because after people complained about DaS1's PC port, they developed DaS2 primarily for PC, but didn't take into consideration console limitations and parity.

speaking of this, I've always suspected, and this may be completely untrue, but it would make sense-

I've always suspected that this was bullshit, and the REAL reason for the downgrade, was that the game was originally being developed for the next gen systems, like Bloodborne, but Bamco, who doesn't see a dime from Bloodborne's profits, didn;t want Dark Souls 2 competing with it, and made Fromsoft release it early for the 7th gen instead, which required a downgrade.

I mean, Bloodborne was supposedly developed for the PS4. So games were already being developed or planned for Sony's next system as far back as AotA's release, which is when Miyazaki says he was approached for a new Sony exclusive.

thoughts on my theory?

>>169161487
I just don't feel like playing.
Just fapping and lurking a few threads

>collected every piece of armor in DaS2
>eternally dissatisfied with full sets and any mixtures of equipment regardless

I hate this so much

>>169161532
I wasn't disagreeing with you tho. Just pointing out.

>>169161137
God I would give everything to have classes like this.

>>169161595
Sounds shitty enough for Bamco to do.

>>169161720
>tfw I feel this way about 3

I can sit there for hours mixing and matching but nothing ever actually satisfies me

>>169161162
>They were developing an open world game

Goddammit Bamco, I would've appreciated new ideas in DS2.

Also wow, all this info makes me much more sympathetic about DS2. It never had a fair chance in this world.

>>169159453
>2 has great concept art
>the design works torrent in the OP is dead
Well goddamnit.

>>169161162
I cannot even begin to fathom how a fully open world souls game would work. Especially not considering the radically distinct geography of certain areas like the Dragon Aerie and the Iron Keep. A single seamless world map clumping all of those things together couldn't possibly flow well at all, not with you crossing it at walking speed.

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>>169161790

I think we've agreed to agree friend.

>>169161595
Terrible as it sounds I can see Bamco letting the quality of the product suffer by rushing it out a year or so early and forcing a downgrade just for the sake of releasing it against no real competition.

It really is a shame what happened with 2, especially because despite everything it came out as an alright game, so the potential of what it could have been if it weren't so horrendously managed really is painful to think about.

>>169148273
Not sure if you know, but reddit is having a return to drangelic event starting on the 25th, so expect equal parts multiplayer surge and pvp twinkers.

Oh, and they're using Name Engraved Ring for some reason, set it to Kemmel.

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>>169161720
>>169161841
>tfw fashionsouls.com was shut down
>tfw no fashionsouls site for DS1 or 3

guys what's the most popular boss that needs summons for assistance?

>>169162316
I've had luck on NG and NG+ at Twin Princes and Soul of Cinder.

I wish they'd give the dangling feet animation to the firekeeper

Why there is so little art of her feet

>>169154191
Funny, I had a very different experience.

DS1
> Game ends, immediately start second playthrough and simultaneously run through it with a second, new build, super hyped to not totally miss the DLC this playthrough.

DS2
> just beat it
> eh, there's the DLC I guess.
> and this community multiplayer event, damn I'll have to make a new character if i want to actually be part of that.

>>169162316
In DaS3 weirdly enough the boss I had the fastest and most consistent summons for was Yhorm.

>>169160930
>no Priscilla feet kicking animation

Fuck everything, give me the model rip, I'll do it myself.

>>169146207
In dark souls 3 the guy that sells magic to you that required scrolls. If you co-op and join other peoples worlds to kill their bosses. Does that count as "killing bosses" and he will run away? Or if that is in another world it doesnt matter

>>169162123
I believe it too, publishers are scummy fucks and I bet Sony paid a good amount for an exclusive.

>>169162316
Friede has had just about constant summons for me at SL80~

>>169162548
Doesn't matter.

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>>169161720

If you got autistic about neck seams like I did it was fucking impossible to make good mix and match looks.

>>169162515
They should've given it to Friede

She has cute and deserves more love

>>169162807
When would she have done it? It doesn't even fit her personality.
>footfags

>>169162807
Just give me all the fucking models and I'll do all of them. I'll do Freide and Priscilla fucking with a strap-on if you nogs get off your asses and figure out how to extract them.

>>169162905
Friend there is only one thing we can rely on in souls games. Its not story, or gameplay, or art, its that if there is a chance for a qt to show off her feet, she will. This is the reason Myazaki got into game design.

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looks like i fucked up this questline accidentally ._.
is there any way to un-do this?

>>169163307
No, you cocked it up by helping Rosaria's Fingers, the guys that she tells you she hates.

Better write off ever getting the silvercat ring, darkmoon loyalty gesture, the covenant, or the miracle, until NG+.

Better follow a wiki guide next time :^)

>>169163307
no but i wouldn't worry about it unless you really want her outfit

>>169163441
>>169163410
fuq cant i just kill that thing in the cathedral

>>169163307
>>169163441
You should kill her right now to get her shit. It's the only thing you can salvage this playthrough. No trolling.

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>>169163307

you'll have to get it next playthrough

on the plus side, you can do yellowfinger heysel for proper bow, and you might as well follow through the ringfinger questline too.

also do this
>>169163520

>>169163510
If you want to cock up another NPC quest line and miss another reward, sure.

>>169162013
It's not that hard to imagine, Dark Souls 1 feels more like a metroidvania map, but take a look at King's Field games. Notice how they have many long stretches inbetween important areas.

so you might have a huge "open world" forest, with enemies in it, but which then leads to the Forest of the Giants fortress. But then explore it more and you might end up in the Shaded ruins area.

You would traverse the mining area of Harvest valley, which would eventually turn volcanic and barren as it led to the fortress of the Iron King.

etc etc.

You see the concept piece on the upper right?

You know what that reminds me of? it looks IDENTICAL to an area from King's Field 4.

It makes sense too, Dark Souls 2 already feels more like King's Field than Dark Souls, and "Open World" makes me think they might have been trying to take a modern approach to King's Field level design.

>>169163631
this game is such an emotional rollercoaster man

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>>169163638
whoops, forgot pic

>>169163638
>>169163770
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmM3Q8JDutg

go to about 7:33 to see what I mean

How do you beat pontiff beast if you can't stun them in the first hits. I'm dying way more than I should to the two near Mickey D's

>>169164156
First off you can aggro them one at a time, inch forward step by step and the one on the left will eventually come out to play. Second you're best off just taking them one hit at a time, getting greedy will really fuck you over with them.

>>169164156
The berserk croc-o-dog looking things? Just equip a dagger cover it with crimson rouge and soam R1 into its side. Also, don't fight two at once. Pull one to the ladder with an arrow and fight it there.

>>169164376
Yeah I know that. It's just fighting the one is giving me trouble. I can't block their attacks and they jump away before I can attack the head to stun them.

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>>169163307
Lamo why does that look so funny.

>>169164575
>"I'm taller than you! That means I can beat you in a fight!"
>"R-r-right?"

What are some CUHRAYZEE weapons in DS3?

>>169164547
Okay I just beat them. But really, fuck those guys. Wonky hit boxes on attacks and there's no way of knowing if they'll do a second or attack or even a third after regular swipes. Plus, they attack so fast on follow ups that it's near impossible to dodge and if you do their fucked up hitboxes will hit you anyway. Fuck off

>>169164730
crow quill

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>>169162789
Does DS2 also have a neckseam problem? I haven't noticed too many issues like that

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>>169164575
>>169164672

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>>169164987
It's not as bad as with dark souls 3, where even pieces of the same sets have open neck seams (like faraam's).

Bloodborne was godtier for this, chest and head pieces would adjust themselves to fit each other.

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>>169164730
Any of the DLC ones.

>>169154191
Same here.

>>169154979
I like 2 most too lets make out.

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>>169164996

Man I just got DS3 and almost all the weapons suck. I built a Heavy Broadsword and it's better than the fucking boss weapons I've gotten. Does it get any better?

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I love how many angles there are that you can approach Gherman's boss fight lore wise.

You can choose to fight him because you want to liberate him from the dream and think he is fighting you to save you from suffering his personal hell, you can fight him because you wanna take his place as the Hunter's Dream guardian, unaware of how tormenting the position is, or you can just think you're fighting him because the dream sounds too good of a deal and you don't wanna wake up and forget.