/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

>>168880627
I dont get this comic? are there people who have trouble beating pale shade?

this isn't like satsuki who fucking munches instant-full-health grass over and over again if you dont stay on his ass 24/7

>>168880740
Some guys on dsg made "Vicars" faith build to counter the Bloodshade the "anti gank" fanmade covenant that became a ganking gang, with their teamworks, heal miracle and bloodmoss they bullied the bloodshade

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>yfw Demon Prince is the ONLY boss in The Ringed City DLC

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>Abyss watchers
I refuse to explore elsewhere and level up before beating this fucker

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>>168881118
>yfw the final boss is Gael roided out after absorbing the Dark Soul of Man

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Repeat of dumb question;

What causes Sister Friede to go hostile? The painter upstairs keeps talking about flame, is it something to do with that?

>>168881183
Anime Watchers are much easier imo than the other bossfight that's in the area.

>>168881243
nothing's easy when you dual wield

>>168881237
Friede was against destroying the painted world

That's why she tells you to leave when you talk to her the first time you meet her in the chapel

>>168881237
Friede and Father Ariandel hid the 'flame' that could burn down the painted world so a new one could be born. When you go talk to Father Ariandel Friede realizes that you can't be reasoned with and you're after the flame.

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>>168881215
>phase 1 is just regular NPC Gael
>phase 2 has him explode with abyss tentacles
>health bar refills
>"Gael, the Furtive Pygmy"
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stWae6r7Blw

>>168881307
Dual wield or two-hand?
Just two-hand something that hits reasonably hard like a Battle Axe and go to town.

Looks like that site removed those new screenshots from their article and replaced them with one from the first TRC batch.

http://www.rocketchainsaw.com.au/dark-souls-iii-ringed-city-preview/

They were probably pressured by Bamco to take them down.

Holy fuck. Just lost 6000 souls to a bunch of fucking thralls. I'm trying to sprint past them for mound makers early and they have killed me like three times. I should have just given up.

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>>168881215
>yfw the final boss is pic related on poor footing

>>168881534
Of course, the moment that article was posted on leddit, that Cuckmmundi community manager took notice of it.

>>168881534
Seriously? They didn't seem any more revealing than what was in the gameplay trailer.

Dude should've given us something better for the trouble then.

>>168881424
>health bar refills
It's not surprising anymore and it's dishonest as fuck.
In Bloodborne the Old Hunters bosses had a lot of health but when you see the amount of damage you're doing, you know how to conserve your heals in the fight.

Having multiple healthbars is only imo acceptable if you have multiple entities in the bossfight like the Greatwolf fight.

>>168881424
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHDsw4FioQ

>>168881704
>>168881670
>>168881534

Why do you even care? You're going to be buying the DLC either way and there's no rrason for them to spoil everything in advance.

>>168881424

that's fucking terrible

the ACTUAL happening will be that the dark soul is going to be a pile of ash and embers, because "ash makes the perfect pigment" or some shit.

>>168881754

I'm pretty sure this is the song that plays during the demon prince fight

Where's the quickest place to farm 12k for Dark Hand real early?

>>168881571
Maldron is memetic but he has nothing on Bloody Crow of Cainhurst.

>>168881534
I'm surprised that nobody noticed them so far, since that article is almost 2 weeks old. Guess that's what happens when you're a literally who website.

>>168881925
eat vordts soul and kill the lothric knights a couple of times

>>168881485
dual wield

>>168881925
Coop Bart of the Boreal Valley.

>>168881754
that's the unused dancer soundtrack mate.

>if you have 2.5x the dex requirement of weapon you can have full moveset on left hand
think about it

>>168881534
What new screenshots ?

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>>168882048

>>168881930
can crowsteel the edgehog LITERALLY fly? or is it just a name? because if he can't, Maldron surpasses him

>>168882180
Looks a bit like Shrine of Amana.

>>168882039
Give me pls

PLS

I wanna be able to do crazy fight moves with dual Caesti

>>168882306
What part other than the water? The architecture is nothing alike

>>168882451
The gnarled tree roots everywhere and the sunken buildings remind me of it a lot.

>playing through Bloodborne
>go to upper cathedral ward
>super spooky area, easily most atmospheric
>legitimately scared me more than twice, was constantly on edge
>thought to myself "what kind of abomination will this area's boss be? some beast/kin hybrid?"
>it was a
>fucking
>>>>>>ayy
>>>>>>>>>lmao
>>>>>>>>>>>>>army
I've never felt so disappointed

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How are PS3 controllers so indestructible?

>>168882592
Break the window

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>>168881534
>Eerie, almost unnoticeable faces peer up at you as you cross tar pits – itself an unsettling image, until you make the mistake of getting close to one of them, as they suddenly emerge from the bog as insect-like monstrosities, that are very dangerous in packs once they surround you. Creepier still, allowing one of them to grab you is a fatal mistake, as they hold your character in a death grip as they sip their life essence, moaning “I WILL PARTAKE".
Oh, shit.

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JUST

>>168882623
now THAT'S what I was expecting, an actual eldritch abomination.
Still mad they though an ayy army was smart. Now time to throw my head against a wall for a few hours.

>>168882613
Because they had 10 years of structural research on the shape since it shares the same mold as the PS2 and PS1 dualshock controllers.

The weak points are the PS3 controllers are the screw holds in the hand grips. If you smack it right, the bottom part of the clamshell will separate from the top part by shearing the plastic that the screws go into. All this does is make it feel a little "loose" (or allow the parts to slightly separate if you remove the screw after that point, after which you can never get it back in).

Another weak point is the rubber grips on the analog stocks. If you twist them, the little rubber nubs that hold them in place will shear, which lets them spin freely (and that makes playing games like gran turismo or armored core FUCKING ANNOYING AS SHIT).

The third weakest point is the connection to the mini USB port. If you push aggressively on it, it will bend the forks and cause a loose connection. You can bend it back a bit but it will never quite line up right again. Not a big deal since you can bluetooth it and then just wiggle it in until it charges.

Other than that, there's pretty much nothing you can do to break the controllers without opening them up or using serious force.

What I also love is that they're so simple that you can take two broken controllers and transplant the parts and make a working one, as long as you do it carefully enough.

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>>168883014
>If you twist them, the little rubber nubs that hold them in place will shear, which lets them spin freely (and that makes playing games like gran turismo or armored core FUCKING ANNOYING AS SHIT).

Is THAT why my characters randomly jitter to the side once in a while while I'm moving?

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>>168882745
Great, more shitty bugs.

>>168881754

>touch the egg
>a small dragon that looks like seath stands up, upset and disoriented
>Ocelotte, Child of Dragons
>mostly uses ranged attacks on you and runs away, has a crazed multi-hit combo when you get close
>it's scared
>at half-health it collapses, starts shaking and crying
>Gwynneth, Queen of Lothric, wakes up
>has an invulnerability aura, and regularly casts regeneration on the dragon, casts wrath of god if you get close to her.
>the trick is to deal enough damage to cause the dragon to collapse again, leading the queen to move her shield to the dragon to heal him, allowing you to kill the queen in 2-3 hits
>dragon goes hyper-aggressive, sprouts a second set of wings to become a true dragon, and gains the ability to fly.
>when you finally kill the dragon, it straddles its mother in its arms, and turns to stone, his life essence reviving her
>she sprouts angelic wings and starts spamming divine miracles
>at half health she stops fighting, falls to the ground and starts crying, allowing you to leave the boss room. If you leave and come back she'll be dead and can be looted.

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What did Miyazaki mean by this?

best hexer starting class?

can I skip Dark Souls 2
I've had enough of shitty graphics and everyone says its bad anyway

>>168883193
pyromancer, need that faith and int

>>168882180

just for the record, those are the same tower structures from the kiln arena

and the tall bastard is a way of white bishop.

>>168882745

holy shit, look at those crystals. the dark is crystallizing like seath's soul crystal magic.

there's gonna be a fucking primordial dark crystal

>>168883134
>>168883014

That reminds me of another issue I forgot to mention: If you roll the stick along the ridge, you'll slowly wear down fine little plastic/rubber dust (you can see a ridge on the stick on older controllers). That dust can get into the analog stick reader and throw it off.

I had the same problem you did. Solution? Blow air into the analog stick while moving it around. That kicks the dust out of the mechanics and helps re-center it. You can also manually reset the controller with the PS3 too, I think.

>>168883234
for ds2

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>>168882180
Loks like it's the area just outside the Ringed City, briefly shown in one of the official screenshots.
>When a city falls into an Abyss, Locusts will then arise. It is said that they will feast on anything and everything that is in their path.
Can't wait to be ganked by these fuckers and that big guy's ghost army.

>>168882745
>the bloated BLUD bug things from Bloodborne 2.0

>>168883484

look at all those soul crystals.

>>168883484
>dat abdomen

please have a female npc waifu version

why fire

>wanna get the red eye orb

>have to get a kill in pvp

>only have 5 shots a playthrough

>already lost twice

fuck me this sucks

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>>168883362

>>168883783
There's a Pale Tongue in the Undead Settlement, where you fight the demon with Siegward.

>>168883206
It has some fun shit, but it's next to inconsequential story-wise. TRC may deal with ds2 a bit but I doubt it. It's still an ok story and a very good game, just doesn't hold up to ds1/3. If you need to pay attention to the story, consider it to be on the other end of the planet; sameish rules apply, but there is little connection between events

>>168883940
I got gud (and lucky) and killed somebody who was entangled with mobs. I haven't pvp'd since back durning DS1's heyday, and man am I rusty. I was afraid I would have farmed up for this early Dark Hand for nothing. Also:

>invade after first success
>host has 2 phantoms
>manage to kill both
>he runs away and d/cs
>fuck you man
>try again with my last cracked red orb
>host d/cs before I'm done spawning in

Disconnections should refund your fucking item.

>>168884098
>If you need to pay attention to the story, consider it to be on the other end of the planet

isn't there a theory about that based on king's field stuff? like how ds1 and ds2 line up with two kingdoms from those games.

>>168883471
Doesn't matter. By the time you can reach hexes, you have enough levels to re-allocate anything. There are so many more stats to level up in 2 than 1 and 3 that all the starting classes are basically identical.

Sorcerer is probably better to start with just because it saves you the trouble of having to get a sorceror's staff. But whatever points you save on Int you're going to lose by having to put them into ADP, VGR, VIT, etc. to make up for that loss. Swordsman is a good choice too because the wanderer set can carry you through most of the game.

What matters most for a hexer build is which bosses you go after first. You want to basically get the sunset staff ASAP, so all you need to do is build up 20 Int/fth and Felkin. Once you do that, you'll have basically everything you need for the rest of the game, or at least until you get to the pilgrims of the dark covenant.

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Post underrated weapons.

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>>168884358

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>>168884358

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>>168884295
I haven't played King's Field, but based on what other people say it draws a lot of themes. Darklurker is from KF, lots of tree+dream connections, something something vendrick and aldia. Of course, those are present in a lot of fromsoft games, even bloodborne has those trees in the dream. Ds2 just has them more apparent

>>168884412
>anri's
>underrated
you wot

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Just started playing DS2, loved DS1
THIS GAME IS PISSING ME OFF SO MUCH FUCK

>>168884358
DS1:
>silver knight straight sword
>Cursed Greatsword of Artorias
>Greatsword (w/leo ring)
>Demon Great Machete

DS2:
>Partizan
>Thorned Greatsword
>Drakekeeper Greataxe
>Sun Sword

>>168884873
level adp
dumb frogposter

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>>168884886
>Robbie O'Flynn's build with Sun Sword
>Or Estoc
>Or Stone Soldier Spear

>>168884873
Iframes are governed by AGI, which is raised by leveling ADP and to a lesser extend, ATT. You want around 99 AGI

>>168884946
That doesn't mean anything to me.

>>168884873
Stop playing it like DS1.

DS2 is much more survival-horror and armored core inspired. It's more about preparation and planning and exploring than it is about reaction time or running past enemies or "gitting gud". It's the easiest game if you optimize your loadout, but the hardest game if you don't.

A few tips:

>Agility affects your iframes when rolling. 92 minimum, 96 or 99 preferred, 100 or 105 max.
>your base defenses depend on your Str/dex/fth/int stats, unlike the other games where they go up no matter what you level
>SL doesn't matter, your equipment and distribution of stats does. A SL30 character can beat a boss easier than a SL120 character if the SL 120 character's stats are poorly optimized for their equipment.
>Scaling is FLAT damage added to base instead of a % of base like in DS1.
>Elemental damage is % based
>Physical damage is flat rate
>roll distance is not tiered below 70%.

etc.

If you want to make the game easy, just use a greatshield and a lightning infused grand lance. Level up fth in early game with a bunch of healing spells, then level up Int in later game to start using hexes.

>>168885083
> It's the easiest game if you optimize your loadout
Demon's Souls
> but the hardest game if you don't
Bloodborne

>>168885121
DeS and BB mechanics are different enough that I usually don't compare the two that much to souls, but yeah, you have a point.

BB doesn't seem like the equipment variation is very high though, it seems more reaction-time oriented to me. DS2 has the most equipment variation in the franchise, so the potential for fucking it up is staggering.

then again DS2 was made by the same team that made ACVD, a game where swapping one of your twenty equipment parts can make you LITERALLY DIE IN ONE HIT against many weapons, or be UNABLE TO ACTUALLY HIT the enemy.

>>168885302
Your loadout doesn't matter in Bloodborne, it's true, but it's still the hardest because of the completely unforgiving instability modifier, long and difficult bosses, and the focus of all enemies on catching your dodges and oneshotting you for it.

DaS2 had balance issues, but nothing like THAT fucking gatling gun I forgot the name of, or the near insta oneshot super weapons

>>168885083
Very close to going back and doing NG+ even though I've done practically everything in the game.

Why are the Xanthous Gloves covered in shit?

>>168881721
In theory, you're correct, in practice, you heal when you'll die if you don't, and finish the first phase with however much healing it took.

>>168881930
I have died significantly more to Maldrom playing through DaS2 once, than I have to the Cainhurst the Hedgehog in three playthroughs of Bloodborne.

It's a straight duel in a big flat arena vs an AI opponent, in a game where you can safely spam stupid amounts of heals that he will never punish, and whom you can 2 shot with safe ranged parries. Even my STR/ARC build shit all over him just spamming tools.

>>168885302
Verdict Day was fucking trash and I was massively disappointed after playing it, when I had liked the previous installments.

That pretty aptly sums up my reaction to DS2 as well. Glad to know there's a sensible common cause.

>>168885825
>Verdict Day was fucking trash

Verdict day is probably top 3 games in the franchise. Sure you're not thinking of V? V was broken on release and half-finished with an awful localization job, VD was a solid game and is the only decently balanced multiplayer game.

VD is also fucking hard. If you came from AC4/FA then going into VD blind is like going from easy mode skyrim straight to Bloodborne.

>>168885973
I think I might have slipped into your bizarro universe by mistake, where VD is difficult and balanced, instead of popping into a mission, scanning the enemy, popping back out, equipping rock armour to beat his scissors guns and paper guns to beat his scissors armour, and then holding the triggers and spamming quickboost.

In this universe, did it release with actual singleplayer content beyond a massive pile of random 1v1 duels against enemy pilots with two lines of opening dialogue and no backstory or banter?

>>168886109
Protip from /acg/: The normal single player for VD is a giant tutorial for new players.

The game starts with Hardcore mode, the UNACs, and the multiplayer campaign. This is what the game looks like when you actually get to the good content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwUYIEFhAsY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxHcwvG-uT4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH-HyhGrCoM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on-rBtlOsrs

If you want atmosphere and story, AC3, Silent Line, AC4/FA, and Last Raven are the games you want to play. ACVD was all about the multiplayer mechanics and post-game content.

Or better yet, just go play ZoE. ACVD isn't for everyone, really. But it's still one of the best AC games ever made.

>get invaded by an aldrich in pontiff's garden
>die
>he points down twice
>invade as a red alongside him later
>he targets and kills me while I fight the host and dies once he points down again
>see him in yet another invasion
>I just stand there once he sees me
>he spends nearly a minute hitting me while I stare at him and take it
>point down
>he dies to the host
gives me conniptions

>>168886623
>survive being hit for a solid minute

Did you turn on invincibility or what?

>invading low levels to get back into pvp
>host swings at me with straight sword
>clearly like two feet outside its arc
>get hit anyway

Excuse me??

>>168886939
>what is latency/ping

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Chaos or Dark infusion for pyromancer? I already have Onyx Blade\Sword of Judgement\Black fire orb\CBV so I'm not hurting for alternative damage types.

>>168886939
>two feet
I got hit from the other side of the pond in Road of Sacrifices yesterday, courtesy of broadband provided by GoatNet.

>>168881424
I hate seeing HP bars climb back up, it's just faggy design

>>168887185
Is it really worse than having the boss have double the hp and phase changing at half health? Like Oceiros for instance?

>>168887045
what more weapons do you need then? dark is less resisted by enemies in pvp, chaos will be much better for enemies in the upcoming dlc

>>168887303
Yes, you don't know you need to conserve your energy, it specifically fucks you the first time.

>>168884873
Stop being fucking shit then
The game has a lot of flaws, but it's still good shit and it's fucking packed with content you stupid frog posting cunt

>>168887379
I meant for standard weapons like the lothric knight long sword. Is fire damage the only type which causes staggers on certain enemies?

>>168886939
on his screen it probably looked like a hit

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>invade first half of Irithyll
>Mound Maker, with Untrue Dark Ring
>could fight host
>could not damage phantoms, nor could they damage me

Anyone else had that before? Really bizarre stuff, not sure if I found a new glitch but it's not like I really did anything glitch-worthy.

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Sayonara, Kore wa anata no tame no owaridesu

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>>168887379
>chaos will be much better for enemies in the upcoming dlc
I'm not so sure, anon.
Demon Prince will obviously have enormous fire resist.
Ringed City guardians are a fucking dragonwraiths with fire weapons and i can bet my ass fire ain't going to do shit to them too.

>>168887559
Does this mean pyros are screwed?

>>168887303
Yes because just show me the full fucking health bar instead of lying and making me deplete it 3 times while telling me how that wasn't really all the bosses health

>>168887303
At least that way you can see the progress being made, you might not be making much of it but you can see what you've done and what's left, it's really demoralising to give your all to emptying a health bar only to watch it refill and have to start over.

>>168885083
As a person who loves dungeon crawlers i'm laughing my ass every time someone tries to justify DS2 mechanics as "all about preparation and planning".
It's just as much of a babymode game as other souls games, just slower and clunkier and with even higher amount of pve exploits possible like fucking lifegems for 300 souls per piece.

>>168887559
true, but seeing as most has to be abyss-related, i'd say it's 1 dude out of 20 that will be resistant to fire. at least the first enemies are abyssal, including the angel

>>168887606
It's for those situations we have dark pyros like black flame.

Plus the dark infusion which is identical to chaos except dealing dark damage rather than fire.

How am I supposed to fight properly if I can't see when my enemies can hit me? This is terrible.

>>168887559
All the dragon themed shit
Lightning and faith may actually be good, r-right?

>>168886868
He took out his fists and then spent the latter half trying to backstab me.

>>168887685
Lighting is extremely good in pve in general, the fuck you're talking about anon.
Melee distance sunlight spear goes to like 2k damage against some enemies in pve.

>>168887684
You have to stop looking at the game for visual feedback, and use what's inside of you to predict everything that the other play will do, just like using the force or reading other people's minds, that simple

>>168887559
Considering we're getting a curved sword that can cast pyromancies, I'd argue the pyro wank is just as strong.

...not that I have a problem with it. Keh heh heh.

>>168887653
It's not all about preparation and planning, but you get far more rewards and options for prep in DS2 than you do in other DS games (like lifegems).

Newbies approaching DS1 are better off practicing movesets, rolling, and leveling up. Newbies approaching DS2 are far better off exploring other areas and acquiring the (far more available) OP equipment and farming support items.

Neither are anything close to dungeon crawler levels of preparation, but DS2 is objectively more rewarding for preparation than it is for practice.

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>>168887760
Oh, pyros will get some cool new toys, obviously. It's just getting through RS for them will be at least somehow harder than through normal content where they just blast everything off from another side of a screen.

>>168887684
You are defending your past self.

You are attacking their future self.

>>168887724
Sunlight spear also costs fuckloads to cast
It's the best thing faith has got and it's really not that great, since you can just swing your weapon a few times and inflict similar damage for similar stamina and time used

I'm winning like one in ten invasions, dammit.

>invade
>level 15
>phantoms are throwing fucking fiery galaxies and black serpents at me

something seems off

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I really wish we could go inside some of those buildings deep in abyssal goo.
Imagine exploring half-sunken tunnels crawling with abyssal horrors.

>>168887796
Being endgame dlc I'd imagine most pyros will have a healthy mix of dark and fire damage options unlike with say old demon king.

So I wouldn't worry about it much. How many pyros don't have the onyx blade at this point?

>>168887930
Cast it once, back off. Works even with extremely low endurance. And no, a single weapon combo doesn't come anywhere close unless you're on bleed build or using hollowslayer or wolf knight sword against enemies they have bonuses against.

SS is the best faith nuke but the best overall pve offensive miracle is dorhys gnawing.

>>168888017
I know how to cast spells my man
And yes, you can come close unless you're point blanking enemies that are weak to lightning
For that matter, the fact that these high cost spears are now melee only strangles faith builds more, and only makes it shittier
It really is better swinging a weapon and knowing I can just roll quicker, unless it's just a specific enemy or boss I that I already know is weak to lightning

>>168887946
Same.

>SL25 Farron Keep
>Friede's scythe fucking everywhere
>phantoms with 3000hp a piece

>rolling away constantly
>get hit literally like 10 feet away

Okay, this is a fucking joke. I just got killed by a shitter who I think tried to black crystal me out when I invaded because he could just R1 chain me at any distance.

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>>168888338
Downscaled phantoms are actually garbage in terms of stats.
The only dangerous ones are with STR weapons because their damage seems to downscale less.

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So, how this comic ended?

>>168888485
I don't know what that means. I'm entirely new to DS online. Is it something to do with password summoning?
What I mean is that it's a pain in the ass to whittle a phantom down to a normal amount of HP, only for him to take a couple of sips and you have to start the whole song and dance again. Not to mention usually by that point you've already exhausted any major stage hazards like hard hitting mobs.

Why did they decide to prioritize ganksquads for invasion?

>>168889265
So it would be easier for hosts.

>>168889265
People who want to play with other people will play with people who want to play with other people
Makes perfect sense for me

>>168889265
Probably because of twinking
It'd be fine if seed was only usable if the host has no phantoms tbqh

>>168889265
They want casuals to not drop the game so they made it where phantoms can hold their hand every step of the way.

>>168889265
To push 1v1 players to the arena and leave invasions up to players who want a challenge without fucking up normal single player games.

>>168889305
It was already easy for them. Also, does it prioritize people with downscaled phantoms? I've been getting shit on nonstop. Just got killed by Lothric's Holy Sword WA from behind another phantom. It's fucking disgusting out here.

>>168889372
Ganksquads should not be the standard for playing with other people.

>>168889265
Invaders are supposed to be there to punish summoning. But they forgot how stacked against the invader the game was already. How to fix that shit
>when an invader is in the world, to summon someone you enter a praying animation, to which you are stuck until the phantom arrives (or until you elect to stop it, which cancels the summon)
>seed enables friendly fire between host/phantoms (lockon not affected)
>Invaders gain 10% max hp for every host-friendly phantom in the world, up to 3 phantoms were they basically have full embered status. (could also be a finger-specific thing, so that people will actually have a reason to wear that badge)

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>>168883362
>>168883563
>>168883896
More like pic related.

>>168889527
Or you could just git gud
But I guess thats to hard for the casual souls 3 baby

>>168889585
>says the person who needs 3 helpers to down a boss
Give one part of what I said that is an unfair advantage.

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>>168889419
Seeds just shouldn't be in these games. Catching you with your pants down is suppose to be my only advantage. The fuck am I suppose to do when you seed me and sit next to the bonfire with 3 summons jerking you?

That's another horrible thing about this system: 90% of hosts are fucking cowards. Most of the time he'll have at least 2 buttbuddies and they just sit in safe spot. I've waited close to 40 minutes before just to have the host pull the plug.

MUH EMBER

>>168889527
i like these changes

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I managed to get invaded at lothric castle last night, I guess i was embered but its super rare even then.

He did the honor bow then the dude just ran up in my grill with his shield up so i batted at him with my nippon steel and riposted him, over within about 5 seconds, total disappointment.

I pointed down

>>168889265
If I invade a host with phantoms, can I play the waiting game for another invader to show up or am I just on my own for the duration?

>>168889585
You can git gud against a single human opponent, or against the AI. But alone against multiple humans is always going to be a losing bargain, especially the 3v1s or 4v1s when they have more health than you.

The one thing wrong with ds3 pvp is favoring defensive play way too much, how can it be fixed?

>>168889656
Or they could seed you and have no phantoms, so what if a lone host then hides at the bonfire, it balances the field so you can't just hide behind enemies while he's alone

>>168889727
Cool story bro. I'm sure your mom would love to hear it.

>>168889652
I don't need any bonuses to take host with 3 phantoms, fucking shitter
>BAAAAAAAAAAAW WHY SHOULD I USE MAP TO MY ADVANTAGE, ITS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HARD GAME SHOULD HOLD MY HAND
>99 POISON ARROWS? I ONLY WANT TO SWING MY DARK SWORD11111!!1
Fucking cancer of the gaming, das3 already shit as it is, but you want to ruin it even more because game is still too hard for you
>>168889747
You have map, mobs and fucking unlimited amount of tools
Just the fact that you can pick fight whenever you want while host can't is already big as fuck advantage

>>168889747
Also stupid that the purpose of reds have friendlyfire tho they share the goal of killing host

>>168889419
>Probably because of twinking
If that's true, then they are even bigger idiots. When you stack more things against the invader, it only makes invading next to impossible at high levels with affecting low levels much. They are basically telling people to twinking. Like with the estus "balance". It only made sure that twinks get more estus than hosts while mid-high level invaders always have less. There are things to do to weaken twinking, nerfing invaders as a whole is not one of them.
>>168889832
Shitpost more

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>>168889815

>>168889808
It would be nice if they balanced it that way but I rather them just remove the whole goddamn thing. Even with just the host there isn't any risk involved for him. You can pull mobs to him yeah, but they more often than not stay aggro'd to you.

I remember when boss invading was still around I would pull the ice crabs in the dlc to him and they would just stay stuck to me unless they were dumb enough to hit the crabs.

>>168890084
Ive tried this many times in seeded worlds and 9/10 they just run away until the enemys leash.

>>168890084
>I don't know how to pull mobs to the host
>BAAAAAAAAAAAAAW SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDS ARE SHIT
Just leave, shitter
You don't fucking just run around him like a retard you are

>>168885302
>BB doesn't seem like the equipment variation is very high though

Weapons-wise there's a lot of variety but BB is the least numbers-oriented out of the franchise unless you're going on higher NGs or doing the harder chalices where the bosses start to become damage sponges.

>>168885519
Loadout absolutely does matter in Bloodborne, but generally speaking you can make do with what you've got. I was fucking up last night against Amygdala because my Reiterpallasch had shit reach and I wanted to hit the arms and the head so I had to switch to the threaded meme to finish her off.

BB isn't "balanced" imo, but it feels like it's really fun because of that.

Then again, I'm fairly new to BB so it is what it is.

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>>168890163
Try again.

>>168889763
Go back to DS2's stamina levels.

>>168890084
If you straight up remove seeds you'll end up with lots of hosts making meme videos of explosive great bow users hiding behind hard enemies on platform sections
Being a lone host there, with no way to flush an invader like that will fuck a lone hosts day

>>168888518
The hell even is that? The little logo in the bottom makes it too obvious to be an accident.

>>168889265
>>168889265
All the other answers are overthinking it. The simple answer is that Miyazaki went on record in interview saying he left the multiplayer to Tanimura, and Tanimura hates invasions. See: Soul Memory, Seed of a Tree of Giants, lack of Red Eye Orb, NG+ ghettoing, etc. etc. in DaS2.

>>168890335
Lone hosts are as rare as big foot.

>>168890335
He could summon. Forever. He also has twice as much healing as I'm capable of and bonus max hp. I just don't see any fun in using seeds. All it does is make things harder for the invader like everything else.

>>168890339
soulslike comic. completely irrelevant though. it's the one from which that pic with solaire and a chick with boobplate saying "you!" is. the one with the angry sun.

>>168890461
It feels it from an invader perspective but I remember getting invaded a fair bit as a person that only plays solo in my own game

>SL25 in Cathedral of the Deep
Am I too high? I haven't seen a single sign, and I haven't been invaded once.

>>168890335
>Being a lone host there
check >>168889527

>invade the same cunt like 4 times over the course of two hours
>she always has three phantoms
>still hasn't gotten to vordt
>last time was summoning more phantoms and trying to drink from empty estus flask while I tried to kill her fleeing her buttbuddies

I can't tell if she's horrendous beyond belief or if I'm being memed on.

>>168890576
The point I'm making is that if he had seeded he then wouldn't be able to summon
Invader is still disadvantaged, but he no longer has to fight 3 phantoms, or if he does, he's guaranteed to have the mobs on side

>>168890791
Too low, if anything.

>>168890948
>she
I keep referring to hosts as she even though I know full fucking well they're male. What the fuck is this?

>>168890959
Oh. Yeah I guess that would be fine. It sucks that from would be more likely to remove invading all together than balance it that way.

>>168891048
Their character names and models are female. It's pretty basic. I've got no clue who's on the other side of the controller and don't really care either.

>>168890407
Tanimura explicitly prefers arenas, duels, etc. To him (and most of the rest of the company) invasions are still just a DS1 gimmick that got way out of hand.

The point of souls pvp is to rank up in covenants. The arena is added for people who want to fight other players. Using invasions to just fight people on a single character indefinitely (without focusing on making game progress instead) is a foreign concept to them.

>>168890980
Well. That's new.
I just found it odd because there are signs all over for Abyss Watchers, and I even got invaded a couple of times in Farron Keep and got summoned myself like 6 times, but there's nothing in Cathedral.
People playing out of sequence, I guess?

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>free aim snap freeze
>they roll right into it every time
If only it were actually worth landing.

sl94
34vig
40end
18str
40dex with hunter ring

Where do i go from here? more vig? more strength? Ive been using a washing pole with carthus for everything, Ive heard luck builds are good for bleeds aswell but im not sure how they work, can anyone help me?

Why am I even still doing this? I'm not enjoying it. I've one like 1 in 6 invasions at best and there's only so many times I can get ganked by three people before I get tired of it.

>>168891236
get more str until 27, then 5 dex to ditch hunter's ring, then continue with str if you like to onehand too. maybe some vit for fashion

>>168891221
>trigger frostbite
>it does less damage than a dagger R1 or a pair of throwing knives
>the stamina penalty is so negligible they don't even notice it.
>the defense penalty barely adds up to a throwing knife's worth of damage even if you manage to hit them while it's active
>it wears off in like 3 seconds anyways

>>168891557
Okay, thanks.

>>168887185
I remember in the Dark Souls II days when I used to be summoned by the Mirror Knight and I'd heal it back to full health.

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Please no

>>168892147
>Sage de Cristal

How would you make Morn'es Greathammer worth? Raise the C STR scaling to B and the Faith scaling to C? Make the WA scale with Faith and being able to be boosted by miracle rings instead of just AR?

>>168892114
you can still do this whenever there is a steam sale

Nothing fucking tilts me faster than a host or phantom pointing down after ganking me. Which is why they do it, of course. Cunts.

>>168892189
As long as it's a greathammer, it will never be good.

The only other thing it 'needs' is more base damage to make up for the horrible stat-inefficiency. There's no point in focusing AR in scaling when it will never be used at anything other than minimum reqs anyways

>>168892274
Well, you lost even after having all invader advantages, so you totally deserve it

>>168892256
There's a big replay thing happening next week.

>>168892363
>invader
>advantages

nice meme

Also, is there a way to summon downscaled endgame coop in the beginning of the game other than password? There are SO MANY of them.

>>168892303
I would also like if they gave a valid reason to why it needs 30 Faith to be able to use the WA

The WA doesnt scale with Faith, the scaling is very mediocre with only a D and it doesnt gets any short of special boost from Faith

I would rather have it as a STR weapon only anr raise the scaling to B like Smough's Hammer

>>168892464
Are you retarded or something?
Yes, invader always has advantage over host, and the only reason why so many people are complain right now, it's because red orb is too easy to get in das3, so every shitter like you can invade

>>168892512
The faith requirement is there only to gate the ability to use the WA, because the WA is essentially a massively upgraded equivalent to a 30fth miracle. Pure str builds shouldn't have access to WoG.

>>168892594
Oh, you're shitposting. I get it.

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Guys, I was farming shacklels yesterday by putting down my sign. And I noticed that I was embered while summoned.

Is this a new thing, or are you only unembered while using the orb? (I never used red sign before, only orb'ed)

>>168892628
Did FROM buff WotG?
It was utter garbage the last time I played the game.

>>168892464
Blues can show up downscaled rarely, but other than that its just casuals co-oping with friends. And yes, there is so godamn many. It probably only feels that way because you're more likely to get paired with ganks though.
>>168892594
Oh look, its this cunt again.
>>168892631
Yeah don't touch the poop.

>>168892631
So no arguments again? Lol
Just git gud and stop crying

>>168892687
The real WotG is utter shit
Morne's WoG is better in every possible way; faster, higher damage and has built-in damage reduction for trading.

It's essentially a spell built into a weapon, and that spell shouldn't be available to builds with no caster stats

>>168892631
He has a good point with the red eye orb thing though.


Also in a 1v1 invasion the host loses majority of the time. Most hosts are worse than the invader so they have to team up with a summon to win.

>>168892687
The weapon scales with AR, so if you buff your damage with Deep protection and Sacred Oath it will do more damage

>>168892772
>less health
>less heals
>outnumbered

And don't say "use the mobs" the mobs are fucking useless on humans, outside of edge cases like crabs.

>>168892830
>Also in a 1v1 invasion the host loses majority of the time. Most hosts are worse than the invader so they have to team up with a summon to win.
If it was just a summon or two it would be fine. But its bonus max hp/healing, 2-3 summons (which WILL be resummoned if you try focusing them), AND seeds.
>>168892916
Don't reply to that idiot, reply to the ones with brain cells.

>>168892684
Red signs let you keep your ember health boost

There should be a summon counter.

>summon 2 phantoms
>are you invaded? If so, you can't summon any more phantoms until the invader is dead.
>are you not being invaded? if so you can't summon any more phantoms until at least one phantom leaves.

>>168892916
Use mobs, every mob can kill host or phantom in seconds if you aren't braindead retarded
>less health
>less heals
>outnumbered
Easily compensating by you having advantage of where, when and how picking fight
The only thing that you can be upset about is host going offline when he starts losing but hey you can do it too if you don't want to lose any souls! So doesn't count as advantage
>>168893106
>2-3 summons
I understand that you are shitter, but fingers let 2 possible other invaders in the world, so you saying that host has advantage because he can cooperate with other people and you can't?
Lol, faggots like you ruined mmo genre too

I know buffs are usually better but whats the general opinion on elemental infusions? Such as Crystal, Deep, Dark, Chaos, Blessed, etc.

For what i saw Lightning and Hollow tends to be the most used ones for Faith and Luck builds

>>168893281
>gankfag defends his faith

>>168893325
Pretty much what >>168853193 said

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>>168893225
Nah, system is fine
Two invaders can rape host and 2 phantoms if their skills around the same
Using fingers let more invaders into world, so summoning one more phantom wouldn't help
The problem is that 90% of das3 invaders are just shitters because red orb is so easy to get this time
Compare it to the des and borne where you actually would lose sl(des) or resources(borne), or das with red orb from kaathe and das2 where you needed to be good at pvp if you wanted to invade
>>168893403
Great argument, guess facts really hurt feelings of faggots like you

>>168893621
>kaathe orb
>hard

>what you said
>facts

>>168880627
Is there "soul memory" in dark souls 3? If so, should I be limiting how many souls I get?

>>168893621
this faggot is really going all out. An invader must have molested him.

>>168893558
I saw in a past thread people sayins that raw infusions were good if you wanted to use a Faith or Int build and wanted to spend points on anything else thats not STR or DEX, is that true?

>>168893747
You needed to kill late game boss, and if you want to use it in the first part of game you needed to do it around 30sl
Far harder than "lol kill some random mob:)" in das3
Yes, it's facts

>>168893849
You're spewing shit out of your mouth at remarkable speeds and I keep biting because I'm tilted after 4 hours of ganksquads. I'm going to stop now.

>>168893794
Nope. It's weapon memory + soul level. Worry instead about how high your max weapon upgrade is.

>>168893747
Getting the orb from Kaathe is way harder than killing that Darkwraith in DS3, mostly because is pretty simple, while with DS1 you had to do a lot of things first before going to New Londo and being able to defeat a late game boss way earlier in the game

>>168893935
Great argument, almost as good as your
>IT'S UNFAIR THAT HOST KNOW HOW TO PLAY WITH OTHER PEOPLE BUT I'M TOO STUPID TO COOPERATE WITH OTHERS INVADERS
and
>I'M TOO STUPID TO UNDESTAND HOW TO USE SEED AGAINST HOST SO GAME IS TOO UNFAIR TO THE RETARDS LIKE ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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What's this? Does it have the darksign on the front?

>>168894007
I grabbed the orb from Kaathe at level 40 and it was piss easy, just labor intensive. I like the new system better, because it opens up the whole game right away. It's unfortunate that the game it opens up is dogshit. In DS1 I got a good balance of solo hosts, pairs, and the occasional ganksquad.

In DS3 I have had nothing but 3-man beatdowns for 4 hours.

>>168894159
>other
>invaders

maxkek
And seed is irrelevant. Anyone halfway competent can deal with mobs. I've got no problems handling seed. It's human beings that are the problem. If you're outnumbered, you need to be exponentially better than your opponents to win. That is the definition of unbalanced.

>>168894236
Where did you find this image?

>>168893826
yup. raw+buff is the best setup for faith.
Not so much the case for Int since it has some good scaling weapons and its spells don't suck as much as faith.

Anyone else thinks that rings in Dark Souls III are pretty underwhelming?

>>168894370
Scroll up.

>>168894430
How so? All the same shit was in the last two games but 3 has obscuring so I think its better this time around.

>>168894304
>you need to be exponentially better than your opponents to win
Not when you have as many advantages as a invader in souls games
They attack? Just bait them to the mobs with one clever strike you can let almost every group of mobs to kill at least one phantom
They sit near bonfire, you have poison to harass them
And yes, if there fingers you can hope for the two other invaders, no fingers? Just coop with one other guy

>>168894430
The entire series has underwhelming rings.
Rings could be an oppourtunity to give the player access to unique and unusual effects that change the way they play, like the cat ring or the obscuring ring.

Instead 90% of them are just "+stat"
We have 4 ringslots and 2-3 of them are typically consumed permanently by a +equipload and + HP ring

>>168894430
That's what you get for having 4 slots.

>>168894430
Theyre very simple and easy to understand, basically buffs with some downgrades to balance or just plainly buffs in the case of miracles, sorceries, etc.

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>>168894547
>They sit near bonfire, you have poison to harass them
So you are the same faggot from before.
>>168894304
Just ignore him man, he's never invaded a day in his life.

>>168894685
I'm just going to go to bed. What a letdown. I was looking forward to getting into the PVP, remembering DS1, but this is just disappointing.

>>168894685
>BAAAW I DON'T HAVE ARGUMENTS BECAUSE I'M SHITTER PLEASE IGNORE POSTS THAT HURT MY FEELINGS
Good to know

>>168894372
I dont think miracles are that bad, theyre most focused on buffing yourself and healing with a couple of decent damaging miracles like Sunlight Spear

A shame Wrath of the Gods is so shit compared to Morne's Greathammer WA.

>>168894547
Most mobs are fucking garbage, only takes 2 seconds of both players mashing R1s to take down any enemy in the game. Even both types of Millwood warriors are pushovers for two people, the only thing I think that gives players trouble is pus of man, but people just use a fire bundle and cc him forever.

The most successful invasions I've had are the ones where I just parry fish and one shot with DSGA which is boring and dumb.

>>168894547
>Not when you have as many advantages as a invader in souls games
Invaders had advantages in previous games.

Demon's Souls invaders had reduced HP, but increased attack which compensated perfectly and put the invader and host on equal footing assuming both had equally upgraded weapons. More often than not, the invader had higher upgraded equipment which gave them a severe advantage.

DaS1 lost the HP penalty and damage boost, then added upgraded armor which made low level invaders virtually unkillable to a host of equal skill without summons using equally upgraded gear.

DaS2 took all healing away from invaders and added SM to try and restrict twinking, but workarounds still existed and DaS2 made heavy armor even better than it was in the previous games.

Bloodborne gave a health penalty with no damage boost, but fully upgraded weapons and gems made that not matter in the slightest.

DaS3 takes away literally all of that. Armor can't be upgraded and is largely irrelevant, weapons can't be upgraded more than +2 over the host, invaders get health AND estus penalties compared to the host, and there are always two fewer invaders than host+phantoms. On top of that, invaders can lose their one remaining advantage when the host uses a giant seed. Dark Souls 3 is the one game in the series where a twink invader was legitimately disadvantaged against a host player.

>>168894502
Seems like the source website took them down.
Is there more or was it just those 2?

>>168894236
>the Ringed City armor set, which glows with ember while a hole in its chest burns away continuously
Yes.

>>168881215

Gael turning into a Not-Manus wouldn't be that bad.

>>168895147
Just those two.

>>168895147
Sorry, I don't know if there were other pictures. I only saw those two after the fact.

>>168895150
Sweet, thanks. Guess I should've read the article.

>>168894887
Faith never was the offensive type of magic, but its direct offensive spells didn't have to be a waste of fp.
I do agree that buffing and regen are the best thing that faith can offer.

>>168894996
>invaders can lose their one remaining advantage when the host uses a giant seed.
How so?
I hope you are aware that seed makes it easier to kill host on the maps past wall?
>and put the invader and host on equal footing
Yeah especially on the 5-2
Or maybe 1-4 rape chamber?
> DaS2 made heavy armor even better than it was in the previous game
Das2 nerfed poise you fucking retard, in das you could walk to the host like a god in havel and fucking backstab him because no his or his phantom friends attack would stagger you
If Ihad any doubts before, now I know for sure that you never played games you talk about
>>168894992
Because you don't fucking let phantoms gank up on the mob, just fucking stagger one of them, and 2 others r1 smahers in the world of surprise

>>168894532
Actually fuck what I said, being forced to use up all my ring slots just to make magic "okay" is bullshit.
>>168894810
Nigga, I've been through your schtick before. I know how full of shit you are. If everyone in this thread is as wrong about invading as you think, then why don't you go make a stream and show us often you win against ganks? Take a sample of 100 invades or so and show us. And just so there's no deniability do it at sl120 in areas other than pontiff or the swamp.

Curse rotted greatwood is so fucking hard for a sorcerer

>>168894996
Seed was in DS2 as well

>>168895459
I dont know, i tried both melee and magic agaisnt it and i found magic to be a more safe way to deal with it, more slow than melee sure but you dont have to deal with the arm in the second phase of the fight

>>168895459
>not using raw astora ss at this point

>>168895412
Or maybe I won't waste my time to teach scrubs like you
Just make a video of 100 your invasions and I will tell why you are shitter after 3-5 of them
Again, I didn't had problems with gank squads after wall and settlement(still possible to kill them there), it's you who don't know how to pvp for shit without having every advantage possible, but still insist on invading

>>168895746
>I didn't had problems with gank squads after wall and settlement
100% bullshit

>>168895675
Im using a raw rapier +3, does that count?

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>>168895746
See, you're a 100% full of shit pussy. If you show up again I'm making a cap of of your yellow ass.

>>168895391
Denial is not a river in Egypt, anon.

As an invader, you have 30% less HP and half the HP/FP healing a host does. Assuming equally upgraded weapons, the host already has a significant advantage against you and an equally skilled host will not only be able to defeat you easily, but may actually profit from fighting you if they got more Estus than they used off you. Enemies on your side simply serve to even out this inherent imbalance. When the enemies are attacking both you and the host, it is no longer an advantage in your favor and applies to both players equally, meaning the invader is still precisely as disadvantaged as they were before the enemies were factored in. Saying "lol just lure the enemies to them" ignores the fact that those enemies are not actually on your side and that the host can turn them against you just as easily.

All of this is before phantoms get added to the mix. Assuming you're talking about Faithful territory it isn't as bad when you have a full team of invaders (host still has the HP and healing advantage on you), but your hypothetical completely ignores gank squads who are already entrenched by killing off all enemies and are actively roaming the map to kill invaders as they spawn before a full group can form up. THIS is what people are talking about when they complain about gank squads, not your hypothetical generic invasion against a PvE host that isn't camping an area with the intent to farm invaders.

>>168895746
>I don't have to prove anything I'm saying
And this is why everyone knows you're full of shit.

>>168895924
>anime smug girls
Great argument
Now you can repeat this 2 ones
>>168894159

>>168895526
It was, but enemies in DS2 were largely inconsequential for a fully twinked invader. Hell, I used to invade in dark chasm and would make a point of slaughtering the NPCs before chasing down the host just because I could.

I dont know how could FromSoft make UGS and Great Hammers better, you cant make them as fast as straight swords, etc because then what would be the point of those, but they are so slow for PVP and unless you kill the opponent in one hit they will just roll away and heal

>>168896070
Make them exactly like they were in Demon's Souls.

>>168896070
Enemies spam rolling and healing is a plague for most weapons to deal with

>>168895964
I made a perfectly sound argument. Quit backpeddling and do it, or shut your mouth.

Pussy.

What controller do you use to play Dark Souls?

>>168896149
More for slow hardhitting weapons that rely on landing that one hit that takes alway half hp bar, it becomes meaningless if they just roll away and heal and you have to pray to god to land a hit again while they chip your hp little by little giving you less options for healing

I find UGS and GH only to be good at invasions in Irythill Dungeon due to the amount of small corridors and ledges and in PVE.

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Any tips for early dark hand dancer? She is destroying me in her second phase.

>>168896070
Give them more moveset options.
For example, the UGS Cathedral Knights have a fast shoulder check and kick that do little damage but make them much less predictable and force you to adjust your timing.

If the real weapon movesets had something like that, a fast, low-damage attack to serve as a timing changeup, then they'd be much better. The biggest flaw of ultras isn't just that they're too slow, it's that they're slow AND predictable.

Also give them back their DaS2 running attacks. Greathammers and greataxes had an incredibly aggressive playstyle in that game because their running attack had full free-aim and virtually no recovery, which meant that you actually wanted to be applying pressure and attacking first so you could use it as much as possible. It gave you an opener against passive/reactive players that they couldn't punish on-reaction, and allowed you to stick to people in invasions to punish their healing attempts.

>>168896346
dodge

>>168896346
Stop getting hit?
What can we possibly say to help you if all we know is that you get destroyed?

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>>168895941
>Enemies on your side simply serve to even out this inherent imbalance
Pretty sure that das3 enemies can hit more than on the 30% hp
But of course for you it's only "even" if you have more advantage
>When the enemies are attacking both you and the host, it is no longer an advantage in your favor
You can still train them to the host and let them stay on the host
I fail to see how seed is anything but advantage to me
>and that the host can turn them against you just as easily.
No he can't
I need to actually hit them for it, but unlike host who will either will be hit by me or mobs, I have free zone to roll away
> who are already entrenched by killing off all enemies and are actively roaming the map to kill invaders as they spaw
Just roll away, it's easy as fuck in das3
See webm, even being unlucky as fuck by being camped on the one of few spawn points, he still had a free roll. It's just because invader was retard like this guy>>168896167 he rolled on the phantom instead of back

>>168896273
xbox 360, I would upgrade to the xbox one gamepad but my current one still works without issues.

>>168896367
>ultras are bad because they have nothing but slow attacks
This, entirely. I want my ultras too feel like Nightmare from Soul Caliber 2.

>>168896273
A logitech one and its bad. For some reason these types of controllers haven't let me kick or guard break since ds1. It works fine for ds1 though.

>>168896346
try rolling

>>168896436
Well, shit. I think you're onto something, cunt.

>>168896394
I don't know, maybe which attack to wait for, what distance triggers them and such?

>>168896346
Run away a lot
I never managed to quite get in the mindset to dodge Dancer correctly, so just run away a lot until she makes an attack that gives you a large opening. And stay behind her as much as possible.

>>168896273
Mouse & keyboard

>>168896450
All I see is words anon. Where's that stream link?

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>in ds1 there's a side quest where you need to fight a group of gankers
>in ds3 there's two side quests where you ARE the ganker

>>168896313
True enough, don't forget you have more ranged than most, and I imagine you class will be heavy on END
I do understand UGS and GH are weaker than they should be, but panic rolling sippers are hard for most to punish besides some weapons with good WA for it, or sometimes things like halbards

>>168896367
I wish Smough's Great Hammer was more in line with the boss moveset in DS1 rather than what they did, at least change the WA to be similar to that charge attack Smough had in DS1 to be more unpredictable

>>168895941
We need to quit feeding him.

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>>168896273
Wii U pro controller, I bet I'm the only one ITT to do so.

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>>168896642
>cheese lautrecs minions from spawnpoint with a bow and hawk ring out of their aggro range
>backstab chain lautrec after

fun times

>>168896450
Your entire argument is based on the mistaken assumption that the enemy AI will aggro on you while you lead them to the host, but then will completely ignore you and be your best friendsies once you get them there, and that the phantoms won't pull the same "just stagger him once bro" trick on you that you're trying to use. It is an unrealistic scenario that does not exist outside your own head. Your "argument" is precisely as valid as those airheads who say that Vigor is a wasted stat since "gud" players don't get hit, while forgetting that their whole argument depends on their opponents being too fucking stupid to fight on an equal level.

You're bragging about beating shitters, anon. It isn't very impressive.

>but look at this webm where the guy totally could've escaped even though he didn't!
Not very convincing. And if he did escape, where to? All the enemies are dead. What's he going to do, run to the end of the map until he gets cornered? You can't pick them off one by one when they have no reason to separate.

>>168896723
Hes pretty much brain damaged, he could have one hit point, no weapons and instantly die upon invading and hed be like THIS DOESNT SUCK ENOUGH FOR ME

>>168896346
https://my.mixtape.moe/lafaua.webm
stay on ass

>>168894007
There's not that much to do first, you can fight Four Kings as your third boss.

>>168896868
>mixtape
>webm
why

>>168896723
That would work if he was actually trying to troll. Unfortunately, he legitimately thinks he has a point, which means if nothing else changes he'll keep repeating it until the end of time.

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>>168884358

>>168896941
Next time I'll upload a 20mb webm to 4chins :^)

>>168896960
>>>underrated

>>168896642
>das1 trains you to be an unrepentant dick in invasions and murder ganks with backstab abuse for no other reason than to ruin the enjoyment of others
>the next 3 ,ultiplayer RPGs fromsoft makes all progressively nerf invaders and invasions harder and harder in an attempt to curb this autistic monster they created, going as far as training new players how to gank in order to better prepare themselves for the ~1% of competent invaders that have been obsessively ruining other's fun for a literal decade now
In a way it makes me smile that the online culture around invading his evolved pretty much exactly the way that the lore handled the darkwraiths.

>>168896875
You can fight Four Kings as your second boss if you start with the Master Key.

Blue auto summons need to just be fucking removed and given a god damn blue eye orb instead as a start.

>>168896829
>ut then will completely ignore you and be your best friendsies once you get them there
No, I said that you need to let host him once, for it you jsut need starting hitting host or his friends
>and that the phantoms won't pull the same "just stagger him once bro" trick on you that you're trying to use
Yes they can, but you have supply of mobs to win
You just for some reason thinking that invader shouldn't put any effort into invading, it should be free humanity without any risk!
>And if he did escape, where to? All the enemies are dead. What's he going to do, run to the end of the map until he gets cornered?
Waiting for others invaders
Ladder trick to get rid of at least one, or 2 phantoms if he lucky
Using invisibility and harass them latter, because unlike hosts invader invisibility works fine
Many possibilities, but if you bad you can't use any of them
As I said before letting shitters invade was a mistake, all others games had something to keep them away
>>168896854
>You just bad and this how you can easily beat them
>BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW YOU ARE BRAINDAMAGED INVADING SHOULD BE EVEN MORE HANDHOLDING

>>168896996
mixtape lets you upload up to 100MB in most video formats.

>>168888485
Why is everyone with the name Yennefer so fucking terrible?

>>168897206
>evolved pretty much exactly the way that the lore handled the darkwraiths.
What did they do? Start grouping up on them? All I remember is the flooding.

>>168897217
You can't because you have to kill Asylum Demon and Sif first.

And you don't actually need the master key to get to the Valley of the Drakes straight away, you can go through the Flood Gate.

>>168883185
You talking about that bulge?

>>168897294
Luci put your trip back on so I can continue filtering you.

>>168897526
I think he means the mushroom things growing off of it.

You sure are lewd anon.

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Alright /dsg/, I'm currently doing an NG+ run with my cute Strength/Pyro main and I'm in the Chasm of the Abyss. I'd post pics but 360's hard to transfer from.

I have never killed Manus, not ever in my entire life, and I've always just circumvented him and went to the Kiln. So I'm actually terrified to fight him. Does anyone have a tip or some words of wisdom I should heed before I boot the game up?

>>168897904
Be as aggressive as possible. Use the Silver Pendant.

>>168897294
Once again, you're assuming everything will work out exactly the way you hope it will so that your super special strategy that works 100% of the time when it does work can work. It's like arguing with an M:tG scrub who thinks their horribly convoluted Blightsteel Colossus combo deck that needs five different combo pieces over eight turns to get one card on the field before buffing it with three different enchantments an and instant so they can swing for the kill in one attack step is somehow tournament viable simply because Blightsteel itself is mechanically indestructible. Yes, I've had that argument multiple times before. They somehow always forget the part where you actually have to get the Colossus onto the field first, how long it takes them to do it, or the sheer number of ways their opponent could disrupt the strategy every step of the way. Not to mention they could do the whole thing on turn one instead if they used some obscure uncommon from ten years ago. The scrublet spends so much time theorycrafting Solitare that they forget they're supposed to be playing against actual, free-willed people who are busily subverting them every step of the way.

Your every argument up to this point is invalid because you aren't playing the game. You're playing imaginary Souls Solitare against opponents who always react in the perfect way that lets you win. Which, of course, is why you'll only ever post webms of other players losing in situations that you can pretend they would've won if they'd just done that one thing differently while assuming that their opponents wouldn't have also changed their own behavior in reaction to the invader changing theirs. It's the only way you can argue safely, because not only do you not have any webms of your own supposed "victories", but you're afraid other people will do the exact same thing and criticize your losses by pointing out how you could've won if you'd just done that one thing differently.

>>168897426
Tried to hunt them down but failed
Tried to contain them but failed
Slowly petered out over time but persist in small numbers that roam the lands being a huge fucking problem nobody seems to know how to deal with
And the fact that there's tonnes of newer invader groups on the block that are nowhere near as threatening and basically just living jokes. DaS2 invasions were vacuous and meaningless exercises with no incentive beyond a desire to just pvp forever and ever and ever in whatever form or shape it came in. DaS2's invaders were a group of crazed pvpers who just wanted to fight forever and ever in whatever form it took.

>>168884515

Shame that it only has a simple bash for melee

A R1 combo would have been nice

>>168897904
For the Dark Orb Ring of Death: stay within humping distance of him.

For the Dark Bead x1,000: be close to his hand and roll diagonally forward behind the hand.

For the Reigning Darkness: just roll wherever.

The only real problem with fighting Manus is that you have to stay close to him all the time since he'll fuck you up at range, except he's also a beast in melee. He's generally good at everything, best way to beat him is by being better in one area than he is and exploiting that for all its worth.

>>168897904
you can perfect the first phase by shielding and walking away and around him. he will alway do a combo that ends slamming his fists close to you, with quite a long recovery time. Use that to smack him good. for the second phase, always have the silver pendant ready. if you spam it, there is no window for you to get hit. however, the attack that sends pursuers around you to close up on you from behind disappears close to him. whenever he does it, you have a few free hits if you run up to him. be careful and ready to back away or silver pendant though, because he will most likely do the shotgun first, which WILL oneshot you

>>168897987
stop responding you fucking moron

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>>168884358
>str
>dual wield
>buff it like a fuck
>r1+l1 combo
>ded player
>gg ez

>>168898642
>not using the spin to trigger stage two left eye for infinite hp

She's too good for you.

>>168898748
>left eye
>any Hp at all
lol

>>168898748
with r1l1 most people gets stunlocked and dies in 1 combo..why bother spin 2 win?

for funsies in a tight space hell yeah, but a buffed seriously r1l1 kills most people.

I cant imagine what a good dmoon buff will do.

>>168898642
>buff it like a fuck
You mean weapon buff or did a patch buff it?

>>168896273
A Logitech F310 that won't let me kick in ds2 and ds3, and has no rumble.

>>168898642
isn't the l1 short, compared to the r1?

>>168898892
buff it with resin etc..if you have fth you can try darmoonblade on it, most likely nuke ANYONE with a R1L1 combo afterwards.

>>168896273
I use a DS4, it was kind of a pain in the ass to get it to work (thanks for never delivering on those drivers Sony!) but it's definitely a step up from the DS3 that I used to use.

>>168898935
>dual wield it
>right 1, then left 1.
>3 shot combo dual wielding


try it.

>>168898935
The second L1 steps forward significantly so even a max range R1 will combo into L1 consistently and do like 600 damage.

I ran 40str/60fth buffed twinaxes durig the vicar event and was typically killing phantoms in a single combo

>>168898642
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKbMGceoPc8&t

>>168898892
>2017
>he doesn't buff it like a FUCK
nice digits though

>>168898829
>he doesn't know about the second stage
Left eye has two stages, same as right eye. First stage is just the 30 HP thing and is fucking nothing. First stage is active for 1 second, and if you can get another six hits during that time (while the blue lines effect is on your character) it'll trigger the second stage.

Stage two heals 2,000 HP per second for every second that you can maintain it. Maintaining it requires getting six hits every second. No weapon in the game can hit one enemy enough times to do it, but Winged Knight Twinaxes are one of the few that can manage it against just two enemies instead of three.

>>168899094
I just rekt around, can confirm, if you hug opponent and initiate the combo they are dead.

>>168899058
Steam has native DS4 support now just FYI

>>168899140
Yeah sure thing bud, sounds real legit.

>>168899094
thanks for actually answering the question

>>168899238
Give me about twenty minutes to make a webm, then. Apparently I have to, this is the third fucking time I've tried explaining it to people.

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>archdragon peak
>belfry bonfire
>clearing through mobs to get dragon stone
>suddenly two giant snakemen come slithering at me
>dodging my best i whittle them both down
>both on a last hit just need an opportunity
>chain axe comes flying through wall
>die
>okay
>again
>see one of the giant snakemen running towards me
>okay this i can do ez
>chain axecomes through fucking wall to my left
>die

I swear its because the game gets butthurt that you dont die and then pulls bullshit.

>>168899520
The best is when they just stop attacking in melee and spam chain attacks for no reason.

>>168899117
>tfw Angels have the best weapons
Covenant when?