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PURGE

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You like FromSoftware games?
Their early work was a little too clunky for my taste, but when Demon's Souls came out in '09, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically.
The whole game has a well crafted, ingenious level design, and a new dynamic combat system that really gives the encounters a big boost. It's been compared to Dark Souls, but I think Demon's has a far more grim and refined atmosphere.
In '15 From released this; Bloodborne, their most accomplished game. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Ludwig the Accursed", a boss so engaging, most people don't listen to the dialogue. But they should! Because it's not just an extremely relevant and historic character in the lore, it's also a paradigm of the theme of duality between righteous saint and bloodthirsty beast in men! Hey Paul!

>>167201769
>Henriett's corpse is where we find the Hunter set with no cape and Top Hat
>Brador killed Laurence
These are pretty credible and supported by in-game evidence, not necessarily headcanon.

does church pick use less stamina in tricked mode than whirligig saw in tricked mode or about the same?

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>>167200679
>>167200824

Okay, everything's good to go. Booting up the game now, will be ringing shortly.

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>he uses insight

>>167201824
>I guess i have to make my tonitrus fire.
You should have a starter weapon like Cleaver or Cane that you can convert.

It's really heard in the early game to make split-damage weapons good, since early Nourishing gems are disproportionately hard to gather as they are useful.

If you really want to stick with the Toni, go grap some Lumpy 20%s. (>>167200301)

But even then you'd probably be better off putting them in a serrated weapon.

>>167202175
Way less

>>167202175
Tricked Pick uses less stam.

>Vilebloods are pompous, murderous blood-drunks, little more than Annalise's toy soldiers, willing to kill any hunter they see
>Executioners are insane zealots, ready to obliterate anyone or anything they find who has even the slightest chance of being corrupted
>HoH are holier-than-thou in every aspect, but completely susceptible to insanity as anyone else
>Confederates are the most scraggly band in Yharnam, bar none, and would likely happily turn the city to dust in pursuit of Vermin
>Beast's Embrace users are adopting a dangerous method, one which will turn them into the very beasts they seek
>Milkweed users are sentient cauliflowers, turning themselves into a host for a being who essentially caused the hunt to happen
But if you look for the bad, all you see is bad. Let's look at the good, and remember that we can always find it, no matter what.
>Vilebloods survived for countless years and are still thriving, despite a purging from the largest group of oversized wheel-brandishers since the pit crew at a monster truck rally
>Executioners found a way to utilize a wheel as an effective weapon against both man and beast
>HoH have kept all hunters safe from themselves and each other
>Confederates have done more than anyone to curb the Scourge
>Beast's Embrace users have found ways to grow stronger, while apparently keeping sane
>Milkweed users became so in-tune with the Great Ones they essentially now are Great Ones.
We're all outsiders, foreigners, and hunters, just one big family. We'll fight and bicker, but it's important that we move past it. We all have our ups and downs, but what matters is our ability.
>>167202053
Why, thank you

>>167202053
I like to think that Ludwig and Maria were partners back in the day, since they were the most skilled compared to the rest of the Old Hunters.

Anyone interested in gangbanging Ailing Loran BSB? Pass is bbg, lemme know if you're interested.

Only hemwick witches and old yharnam beastly idiots say "Kos"
All mensis scholars call her Kosm

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>>167202440
Yeah but Vilebloods are cucks and that's why they're the worst.

Why does Kos or some say Kosm have such an attractive face?

>>167202541
But Micolash says Kos.

"Ah Kos, or some say Kosm"

He's saying Kos, but aknowledging that *some* (i.e not him) say Kosm.

>>167202824
To better steal your seed to make babies

>>167201887
TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT DORSIA NOW YOU FUCKING STUPID BASTARD

>kick BSB's ass every playthrough in lower yharnam easy

>do chalices first time

>ailing loran bsb giving me a headache

He just does so much damage. It's the grab that kills me every time.

>>167202440
Vilebloods recognized what the church really was. Everyone else was retarded and just took it in their asses

>>167203479
>getting hit by BSB
What are you doing? Just hug his right side.

>>167203572
>right
shouldn't that be left

>>167203623
His right
Your left

>>167203489
But Vilebloods also took it in the ass. Simon also distrusted the church and took it in the exact same place.

>>167203572
I do it until he backs his ass into the wall and starts shitting poison out everywhere.

>>167203623
His right, your left

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCjrpghCYc

>>167202353
I just played safer and won I just don't want to farm gems until I have to.

>>167203682
How did they take it? They fought against the church. How does Simon play into this?

>>167203995
>How did they take it?
They were massacred in their own castle, not much of a fight.
As for Simon, he was another character who opposed the church (he was a church hunter in disguies who entered the nightmare that contains the secret of the church) and got killed by a church assassin.
Everyone gets fucked up by the Church, enemies and allies alike.

>>167203821
You most likely will have to for the next boss, he's resistant to Bolt.

>>167204213
Simon's death was so fucking shitty man. I was hoping he'd make it.

>>167204213
They lost a battle against blood crazed zealots from a ridiculously powerful institution. I'm talking about how people followed the church and took it in the pooper. Nothing wrong with fighting the good fight and losing because you can't match the legions of tards coming at you.

No real indication that it wasn't much of a fight either.

>>167202541
It's cosmos, Kosm is a confusion. What he's saying during his fight isn't all just unrelated nonsense

>>167202331
Why the runes are out of order?
Why do you have 7 bloodtinge?
Why are you not at full health?
This image is painful.

>theres people who still say kos or kosm
you realise her name is Bingo right?

How come Oedon was allowed to have so many kids?

>>167204237
fuck seriously?

>>167204487
>No real indication that it wasn't much of a fight either
The victims were mainly maidens. Most members of the Cainhurst family weren't even hunters, they used to sent their servants to fight (Reiterpallasch description).

>>167204775
It's rather easy to slip your dick into everything that moves when you're formless.

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>>167204798
Yes, he's covered in Bolt

>>167204839
http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Reiterpallasch

???

>>167202331
why dont you have beast +100 rune?

So, Rom was a human (possibly a Hunter) that was chosen by Kos to be a new Great One. What made her so special? What kind of relationship did Ebritas and her have?

>>167205054
>the disposal of beasts was a discrete task left to their servants
Their hunters weren't members of the family.

>>167205040
I know but I didn't think that was literal he attacks you with wind.

>>167205124
>that was chosen by Kos to be a new Great One

No, she was artificially made a great one by the scholars.

>>167205124
They used Kos' umbilical cord to transform her. Kos is dead. Mensis are a sect of mad cultists.

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I thought I knew suffering.

Then I tried to rush HMLS on my 43 arcane, and I have been greeted with true despair.

>>167205124
This is my own headcanon, but Rom was likely a scholar who was "blessed" by Kos, possibly as a result of an experiment or ritual. Since scholars researched Ebrietas in captivity, Ebrietas could have known Rom, or even favorited Rom above the others. The thing at the Altar of Despair seems to be a miniature Rom, possibly Rom's "shell," hinting at the themes of rebirth, backed by the usage of the Altar itself.

>>167205124
They all were at a party and when the sun came up Kos was dead at the shore, Ebby was locked up by the Church and Rom was a spider at the bottom of the lake.
Shit was like that at Burgertown.

>>167205316
>by the scholars
By the pthumerians, Rom can be found in the chalice dungeons

>>167205139
That doesn't mean they were unskilled. Titles mean nothing. Most hunters were unskilled beast fodder but participated in hunts.

>>167205082
I haven't gotten it yet

>>167205452
Not canon

>>167205124
Rom was a either a mentally retarded woman or a baby that was used as a test subject by Byrgenwerth for putting eyes on the inside of someone. I don't think Kos actually did anything, they just stole the Orphans Cord and fed it to Rom.

Kosm is the orphans true name, Micolash isn't debating what her name is, he's debating about which being should prayed to.

>>167205702
Right, and Eileen is the Wet Nurse.

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>>167205702
Kosm is Cosmos nerd
I've had it with your shit

>>167205702
>naming your kid after yourself but with an extra letter on the end
>that's completely vacuous

>>167205901
Chalice dungeons aren't canon and should not be considered in the lore.

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What's a Korean gem?

>>167205974
And we should consider Queen Yharnam, the Beast Claw, and materials found in the waking world as little pocket dimensions of the "separate" chalice dungeon canon?

>>167206093
non-meta canon.

>>167206093
Nope. Chalice dungeons are filler thrown in by lazy devs.

>>167205915
It's not though, that was commonly accepted pre-DLC, but Kos is an actual being that Byrgenwerth saw and is important to the history of the Hunters and Church. He can't be having a revalation, because he knows exactly what he's praying to.

Plus, I remember hearing something about Kos(m) sounding like Cosmos being pure coincidence and in Japanese there's 0 similarity between the words.

>>167205214
Well I one shot him by staying back and black sky bolting him to death. It's just like my dark souls playthrough.

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>>167206032
A blood gem that requires intense grinding to obtain

>>167205974
>>167205532

What about the ring you find in the dungeons that you can use to propose to Vileblood Queen?

>>167205974
It's possible they're actually nightmare dimensions and all the story bosses you encounter in there are just projections

>>167206189
Why would some say Kosm then? They wouldn't. You're stark raving mad.

>>167206349
Vilebloods aren't canon either.

>>167206032

To elaborate what >>167206260 said. It's a jab at Korean MMO's which tend to be extremely grindy and tedious.

>>167206260
>>167206536
Well I surmised that, what gems though? The ones Amygdala drops?

>>167206181
So the appearance of a character who plays a decent-sized role in the story and lore as the mother of Mergo, and a weapon used by three separate hunters (Jozef, a Yahar'gul hunter, and one in the Hunter's Nightmare), two not in the dungeon are not canon?
If we throw out the dungeons, Queen Yharnam goes with them. A good amount of the game's story is built on her bearing Mergo. How exactly are they not canon?
>>167206357
I'd be willing to go along with this, partially because hunters down there respawn, and don't die like the others
>>167206484
Along with the Executioners who are hunting them, the Church which heads the Executioners, Byrgenwerth which had connections to the Church, and the Hunters who possibly once worked with Byrgenwerth? Why don't we just make the whole game non-canon? It's the nuclear option to settle all these lore fights

>>167206602
Nope, just Vilebloods.

>>167206594
Any good chalice dungeon cursed gem, especially the ones you specifically need for your build.

>>167206484
Oh right.

>>167205356
fire saw spear

>>167206661
How do you figure that? They're specifically mentioned through Maria, Alfred's lore bits, Yamamura uses the Chikage, they're real

>>167206754
Non-canon segments. Vilebloods don't exist.

>>167206602
>If we throw out the dungeons, Queen Yharnam goes with them
No she doesn't. She shows up plenty in-game. Her boss battle is non-canon fanservice.

>>167206808
>Tfw arc would have been viable from start if you could have stared with a blacksky eye.
Holy shit this thing is insane.

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>getting nothing but vials and bullets from chests in FRC now
help

>>167206885
If chalice dungeons aren't canon then how did Byrgenwerth discover all that arcane shit?

>>167206808
Please tell me you're shitting, I refuse to believe anyone could believe this
>>167206885
The dungeons are her technical residence, an area built below Yharnam according to some chalice descriptions. If they're non-canon in the sense that they don't exist, we have to scrap Queen Yharnam, because she and the rest of the Pthumerians would therefore never exist. If they never existed, we never would have had Mergo, and would need to scrap a huge chunk of the game.
According to the Yharnam Stone, her consciousness stirs in unsettling motions, despite being dead, the dungeons her tomb. She can still appear during those unsettling motions.
We understand very little about the dungeons, but it's unreasonable to declare them unanimously non-canon. If we remove the dungeons, we also remove the Loran dungeon, leading to the removal of a good amount of the Nightmare Frontier. Amygdala drops the Loran chalice, should we declare Amy non-canon, too?

>>167207113
The dungeons exist in canon, but our exploits within them are pure game. Unless you wanna explain how we can fight the same bosses a billion times?

>>167206189
>Plus, I remember hearing something about Kos(m) sounding like Cosmos being pure coincidence and in Japanese there's 0 similarity between the words.

Kosm: ゴスム (gosumu)
Cosmos: コスモス (kosumosu)

>>167207227
>he thinks he can comprehend the true nature of the universe in a cosmic horror story

>>167207294
>it was just the cosmos don't have to explain shit
not
canon

>>167207227
>Unless you wanna explain how we can fight the same bosses a billion times?
Just like how Laurence is dead in the waking world but alive in the nightmare. Chalice dungeons function exactly like the dream, and all the enemies you find inside make sense. They reused Rom because that's where she comes from, otherwise they would have used a different boss that's more appropriate gameplay wise.

>>167206594
Not nesisarily.

Korean gems are anythibg that takes an obscene amount of effort to get,

- All offshape gems are Korean because it's basically multiplying the droprate for what you want by 0.01. The most common useage of "Korean" is for 31.5% BLT gems. Super powerful on Chikage/Bloodletter/Bowblade, but only drop as Circle. So you need offshapes (1% droprate) to fill other slots. If you want perfect curses and enough to fill all 3 weapons it's probably going to take 2000 kills.

- rare drops from the Watchers, EG 23.6% nourishing gems. Or perfect poison gems. Those are often rarer than Offshapes

- matching rare secondary effects, EG a 21% fire + 10.9% VS Beasts is the best Beasthunting gem in the game. But getting a madman to actually drop those effects takes forever. And they only come in Waning as well, so if you want another you need offshapes.

- super rare world drop effects, Radial Arcane + flat ARC Brainsucket gems can drop in Pthumeru. But it's extremly rare.

Most Korean thing I've ever seen was a guy on Reddit with a Kos Parasite using three Eribritas Abyysals with +15 flat Arcane secondary all with decent curses. Abyysals are 1/3, decent curses are 2/3 at best, 1/6 if you care a lot, Flat arc is one of the rarest secondaries and two of the gems were Radial, which is 1/3 possible shapes that can happen in the 1% of the time they don't drop triangle.

>>167207227
Not him, but the dungeon changes form multiple times through Root Dungeons. There's more than one Amygdala, given all the lesser ones we find. Ebrietas appears to be a mature Celestial Child. The Celestial Emissary, same thing. Rom could be a result from the little Roms maturing. Fighting Queen Yharnam multiple times, her consciousness stirs despite her death. Everything else, there's multiples of them, easily.
>>167207347
So if I go to Loran, equip the Beast Claw, and imprint gems on it from the dungeon, do I just have a hole in the timeline and universe strapped to my arm?

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>>167207227
>chalice dungeons are canon except for a very specific selection of things

>>167207493
You have non-canon elements in a canon element.

>>167207626
Christ Almighty, anon.

>>167207626
Is Amygdala non-canon for possessing the chalice of Loran? Ebrietas was found in the dungeon is Isz, is she non-canon? Along with the Choir, and by a stretch, the Church? Are the Tomb Prospectors all false, the Radiant Sword Hunter Badge a simple prop?

>>167208001
They're canon but their representation through the dungeons isn't canon since chalice dungeons aren't canon.

>>167208001
>>167207835
You guys are seriously overthinking this.

>chalices and dungeons exist

>they lead to an infinite warren of alternate realities

>we shouldn't take what happens inside as reflective of canon of the actual real world.

>decide to try Laurence

>feeling pretty confident because overleveled

>die in one hit

oh geez

>>167208123
>we shouldn't take what happens inside as reflective of canon of the actual real world
Yes we should, the dungeons are directly related to the lore in the waking world, Rom and Ebrietas were found there and all the items we can obtain in the dungeons can be used everywhere else.

>>167208328
That's false equivalency.

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>Mfw threeshotting Amygdala with the Stake Driver

AND PEOPLE SAY ARC IS BAD

>>167208080
You keep saying they aren't canon, but you haven't said why they aren't canon. There's a wealth of information and fact showing they're canon
>>167208123
And everything we find down there and bring back is all false? If I die down there, is it just a dream within a dream? Are the Tomb Prospectors off somewhere else, smoking and playing cribbage while decidedly not down there?
The Root Dungeons lead to different areas previously sealed off, even by performing the same ritual

>>167208369
It's not.

>>167208383
Nobody sensible says that.

>>167208392
>is it just a dream within a dream?
If you die anywhere in the game it's just a dream within a dream. This is lore 101 I don't think you're very qualified to be stating what is and isn't canon.

>>167208328
Rom ane Ebrieatas's canon locations are where we find and kill them in the game.

Their appearance in the dungeons don't mean they were actually in the dungeons all along.

They're just reused assets.

>>167208585
Laurence's canon location is in the Grand Cathedral, is the Laurence we find in the Hunter's Nightmare also not canon?

>>167208529
Here we go again with "It never really happened, it was all just a dream."
How the fuck is this lore 101? Just because the Minister compares it to a bad dream doesn't make it pure fact. I certainly didn't fall asleep in Yharnam looking like I grew cauliflower from my hair, or wearing a different set of clothes from when I entered, unless I spent the entire game sleepwalking or in the worst drug trip known to man.
You've been dodging the question on why the dungeons aren't canon, maybe you're the one who isn't qualified. I've made my proof on why they are canon, you haven't said a word to support yourself

>>167208672
Laurence is long dead and the Hunter's Nightmare is a thought-projection made by Gehrman

>>167206748
Would a +3 fire papered saw spear be that much of a help tho?

>>167208849
>the Hunter's Nightmare is a thought-projection made by Gehrman
Source?

>all these posts about dungeons not being canon
kek
Next you're gonna tell me someone actually says Kosm

>>167208849
What

>>167208849
I think its the psychic gestalt of all the Blood drunk hunters, with a bit of Kos thrown in.

>>167205974
>aren't canon
>gehrman himself tells you about them

>>167208849
>a thought-projection made by Gehrman
Along with everything else in there? The Nightmare, a place of pain and horror, is not necessarily a literal nightmare, it's just treated as such as it's arguably the antithesis of the Dream, a place of sanctuary.
>>167208973
This seems reasonable

>>167208973
And it's a very real place.

>>167208837
When you die the world you died in fades into a dream and you go back to the waking world. This isn't even speculation and other NPCs like Crow and Djura acknowledge it.
Bloodborne is split into the world of the waking, the world of dreams, and the world of nightmares.
The Hunter's Nightmare is part of the far latter, the Hunter's Dream is the dream world, and Yharnam and the like are the world of the waking AKA the real world.
When Rom dies the world of the waking and the world nightmares begin to become one.
This is the reason Micolash is dead in the real world but alive in the nightmare, because it's his consciousness that is alive in the nightmare which is a thought projection. I don't understand how someone could play through the game without understanding this let alone get the idea in their head they were some kind of lore-master when this is literally the most basic understanding of the story.

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>finally hit 666 vermin
I can stop at last

>>167208859
He means converted fire saw spear, not just a normal one with fire paper slapped on it. For an Arc build it can dish out nice damage, but you'll want it at +6 or higher to open up all gem slots.

>>167209212
>not 1488

>>167209137
>his consciousness that is alive in the nightmare which is a thought projection
It's not a thought projection, it's an alternate dimension, usually created by a Great One and sometimes hosted by a human who shapes it. Who's projection is the Nightmare Frontier?

>>167209331
>host of the nightmare
Dipshit.

Anyone up for some Laurence bullying?

>Miyazaki's not even canon

>>167209137
Dream doesn't mean, in Lovecraftian terms, what it does in a dictionary. Dreams are very real places,created by Great Ones, humans just can't access them. Unless, of course, you get yourself some eyes.

>>167209462
>didn't read Lovecraft's dream works

Bet you read that fanfic road garbage too.

>>167209417
Sure, I could use a break from farming. Set a pass and I'll get ringing. Lamp or fog?

>>167209387
>and sometimes hosted by a human who shapes it
Reading comprehension, dipshit.
The nightmare was created by Mergo and hosted by Micolash. Hosting and creating are very different things.

>>167209137
>When you die the world you died in fades into a dream
How did you figure that? If that's the case, why does our bloodstain remain there?
>This isn't even speculation and other NPCs like Crow and Djura acknowledge it
They "dreamed," yes, as in they were sustained by the Dream
>Bloodborne is split into the world of the waking, the world of dreams, and the world of nightmares.
Yes
>When Rom dies the world of the waking and the world nightmares begin to become one.
It unravels the true nature of the world, as expanded on by the note in the room immediately prior to Oedon Chapel.
>This is the reason Micolash is dead in the real world but alive in the nightmare, because it's his consciousness that is alive in the nightmare which is a thought projection
Micolash is long dead, he's a mummy when we find him. His consciousness is in the Nightmare the same way Gehrman's is in the Dream.
> don't understand how someone could play through the game without understanding this let alone get the idea in their head they were some kind of lore-master when this is literally the most basic understanding of the story.
I was just about to ask you that. Exactly what combination of drugs did you take prior to trying to figure out this lore?

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>you retards arguing about lore are out-posting /dsg/

>>167209548
Fog, pass is bbg.

>>167209541
In the Dream Cycle the concept is expanded upon. it's a vast alternate dimension and you'd know that if you'd read it yourself.

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>tfw didn't notice the first time I beat Logarius that you could destroy his sword while in the ground to halt the rain of death
fuk

>>167209541
>he doesn't know the ghouls go underground to go to the dreamlands

It's all about access points.

What if those pillars we see in the Dream are other Workshops with their own hunters in them? The bells close the gap between worlds so maybe the Dream is were the worlds connect, each with their own Doll. It's a different realm from the Waking World and the Nightmares, instead of stacking verticaly, it's shared horizontaly between players. Becoming a Great One replaces Moon Presence and we become the boss for other players, that's why it's nameless, it was us all along.

>>167209253
Well damn. I've got a ways to go then. I'm just tryna get HMS early AF. Guess I've got a bunch of farming to do

>>167209813
Those pillars are holding up the rest of the Nightmare. The Hunter's Dream is a little tiny slice hidden at the very bottom.

>>167209632
>mfw 1 idle shitpost about how chalice dungeons aren't canon set it all off

I'm so proud

>>167209875
This isn't as bad as the six hour Confederate/Cainhurst shitpost extravaganza, but it's up there

>>167209875
/bbg/ is really passionate about Bloodborne, this is why we get riled up so easily in lore and gameplay discussion.

>>167209923
Oh dear. That Cainhurst LARPer really got to me.

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>you will never befriend a pack of filthy beasts and wreck hunters together with your sick ass galtling gun

>>167209862
It's not at the bottom tough, it's at the top.

>>167209640
>>167209548
>>167209417
Thanks for the help, xX420faygitronXx. I spent literally the whole fight giggling at your name like a retard.

>>167210015
He showed up a few more times, he took brought LARPing on the board to an unprecedented level
I was the Confederate, all I did was suggest the Cainhursts and Executioners cease their fighting by joining the League. It rolled downhill rather speedily

>>167210141
>Using PSN instead of character names

Happy to help.

>>167210153
>
Don't act like you were any better than he was. The both of you were mega autistic.

>>167210075
>I have never invaded in Bloodborne: The Post

One feature of Dark Souls that I kind of wish was in Bloodborne is boss souls. The lore about the boss you were guaranteed off the soul was one of my favorite rewards, and we've got a couple bosses I know pretty much nothing about. Blood-Starved Beast, for example. What's his deal? How is he related to the giant flayed idol beast?

>>167210258
I wasn't proud of it. I recognize my autism, especially in keeping that fire going for as long as it did. Around the one hour mark I was posting out of habit while he seemed to want to keep the party going

>>167210101
No, it's at the bottom.

In Nightnare areas you can always see down below you, but never above. In hamlet the Rooftops of Hunters Nightnare are visible and the masts from Hamlet can be seen from frontier. But not the other way around.

From bottom to top.

Chalice dungeons > Hunters Dream > Hunters Nightmare + Research Hall > Fishing Hsmlet > Frontier + Mensis

>>167210292
Hmm. Gives me a new idea for another stupid cosplay.
Do you know what that guy wears?

>>167210360
I dont understand Shadow of Yharnam at all, why are there 3 ringwraiths guarding Byrgenwerth?

>>167210360
Blood-starved beast is just a type of ashen blood beast found in Old Yharnam and Loran. It's not unique, there are many.

>>167210101
>awaken above ground

It's at the absolute bottom of it all.

>>167210496
The guy with the Gatling Gun wears the Charred Hunter set with the Black Hood
>>167210546
They're the guards of Queen Yharnam, who makes an appearance soon after. Same reason they're in Mensis

>>167210458
Chalice Dungeons > Waking World > Hunter's Nightmare + Research Hall > Fishing Hamlet > Frontier + Mensis > Hunter's Dream

>>167210546
They're guarding Yharnam.
They appear wherever she is, they're in the Forbidden Woods because the queen was in the nearby lake, they're in the Nightmare of Mensis because Yharnam was in Mergo's loft and in Pthumeru because that's where Yharnam comes from.

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>>167210496
I think Charred Hunter, but I'm not 100%

>>167210546
It's in their name. They are Shadows of Queen Yharnam. They're found wherever she is, above ground, at least. You never see them in the chalices.

They also make the exact same grunting sound as Pthumerian Descendant.

They also somewhat resemble Wet Nurse, she might be some kind of Pthumerian bullshit protecting the Queen's child.

>>167210546
They are Queen Yharnam's bodyguards given to her by Oedon after they fucked and Mergo was conceived, along with the WetNurse to sustain Mergo. They all are formless and wear similar clothes.

The Forbidden Grave is Yharnam's, those Shadows were still guarding it. But they had also succumbed to snake parasites which is why they have snek powers and other shadows don't.

this is all headcannon

>>167210640
>>167210763
Yeah looks like it, with some kinda hood. Thanks

>>167210496
>>167210763
Charred hunter set and tomb prospector hood.
The hunter in Old Yharnam and the ones in Loran wear the same stuff.

>>167210838
Black Hood, the hood we start with

>>167210906
It's Tomb Prospector's

>no shadow of yharnam outfit
>no pthumerian HMPH outfit
>no queen yharnam dress

fugg

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>pthmeru chalice dungeon layer 2 boss

>>167210986
Tomb Prospector's has a slight color tinge to it, this one is solid black

>>167210624
Good point. But it's weird having the Moon under all of that. And doesn't that mean that it's bellow Yharnam and Chalice Dungeons? It's stacked like Nightmares after all.

>>167211053
Watchers?

Litterally 3 mobs in room?

>>167209257
>not 80085

>>167211053
Want help?

>>167211135
yea those fucks

im only lvl 30 and shit at this game

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>>167211074
Beastclaw Jozef wears the same set and it's clearly Tomb Prospector's, the foreign hood is bigger and has more folds.

>>167211053
That's not even close to the worst of the chalice.

>>167211227
Do you want some help?

Set a password and ring beckoning bell

>>167211206
>>167211360
thank you kind anon but i turned my ps4 off for the night, I'll ask again in this thread sometime if I still need help
>>167211282
oh I can only imagine, I'm loving this game so far

>>167211241
Actually, looking at the attire sets, you're right. I always thought it was the Black Hood, maybe one of the other two have it. The guy with the Gatling Gun, his hood seems to fold the way the Black Hood does, at least from this angle
>>167211445
HMPH

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>>167211445
Have nice dreams

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>>167211480
sorry anon i was already playing for 5+ hours earlier, im tired

>>167211675
No, HMPH is something or someone you will see very, very soon in those lovely dungeons. And you, too, will know how much we love this game, for what we suffer

>>167211804
oh boy. my anus can barely anticipate the excitement. this game is brutal as fuck man

>>167211869
Layer 3, next dungeon, but not the Root Dungeon. Look forward to it. Don't bring Olek, you need to go solo for your first time

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>>167211675
>he doesn't know about HMPH
Oh boy, you will be in for a surprise.

Leave this general while you can, this is better played blind.

Okay, bbg, clarify something, a stupid question, for me. I know that church pick has serrated damage on thrust attacks and continues to have the bonus with arcane conversion. Would it still be the same moves with serrated?

>>167211084
I personally think we're dealing a completely bizarre cosmology. This is a fantasy world, for all intents and purposes, and it's also a cosmic horror story, one of the main selling points being that our understanding and perception of the world and universe about us is exceedingly small and trivial. Hell, is the world's moon even a moon as we understand moons? I'm getting conceptual here, but that's only because the game goes weird itself. The blood moon is localized entirely in Yharnam, it appears perfectly normal everywhere else. Maybe it's the one constant between these different places. There's no reason an alien god can't exist in more than one place in some form. Different aspects of the same being. Like how there's the entity, Nyarlathotep, but see it in a dozen different forms, but it's all just Nyarlathotep. We're just seeing the moon, whatever the hell it is, from different 'angles'. One side looks like a crushed eye, another looks like regular moon, another looks like a blood red sphere.

That doesn't even get into the mess of Nightmare layers, with the Hamlet's ocean being the Hunter's Nightmare's sky and how you can't see places up, but you can see places down - except for Mensis which seems to just in the distance on a hill on the Frontier, but how do you GET there? It's all alien bullshit.

>>167212165
Yes. The moveset doesn't change. You lose out on thrust, but serrated isn't a component of physical damage.

>>167211996
I don't know who Olek is

>>167212179
Yes, but shouldn't the moon be at the top? The sky changes in the Dream following or progression and Moon Moon descends directly above us after we defeat Gherman.

>>167212165
Serration isn't exclusive to Thrust attacks, the whole weapon is serrated. You'll lose Phys/Thrust damage but everything else is the same when converted.

i'm at 29/9/12/9/7/70 i have 12 levels to 98 should i spend 5 points to use the church pick?

>>167212497
Summonable Old Hunter, Tomb Prospector Olek, possibly the worst summon in the game. He threw a Molotov at a boss who dealt fire damage. He's a half-decent meat shield, but isn't worth it, not like Antal or Valtr.

Anyone want to lend me a hand with Abhorrent Beast? Ailing Loran 3, password is bbg

>>167212668
No, you'll want at least 40 Vit. Taking 5 out will mean you can only reach 36 Vit at 98.

>>167212179
I'd say the moon is almost definitely not a moon as we'd understand it. Considering it seems to show up IN FRONT OF the clouds in a lot of places. Maybe that's just a poorly put together skybox, in which case disregard me.

>>167212638
I thought the serrated bonus only applied to the "thrust" moves, aka the attacks using the tips.

>>167212823
Do 4 points really matter?

>>167212679
>Defecator Anal
>worth it
Can you even summon him outside of Paarl's?

>>167212856
Nope. Serrated and Righteous is a flat 20% modifier applied to all damage done with an applicable weapon to a weak opponent.

>>167212902
One Reborn. The guy never backs down. He's no Valtr, but he's still good

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>>167210360
I agree, a little bit of info on the bosses would be much appreciated.

My own speculation on the BSB: she was obviously some sort of church official due to the location and possession of a holy chalice. She may have been a blood-saint, giving away her blood as a human for others to drink. This would explain the theme of open wounds and constant blood loss as a beast, and thus the name blood-starved or blood-drained. The hanging beast may have been another blood-saint turned beast that was slain during the purging of Old Yharnam.

>>167212519
It's always at the top of every layer. I think we're seeing different slices of the same thing in different places. I don't think it's just some kind of stationary celestial object. It is always above us, except in Mensis, where once get into the loft, it's absolutely huge and on level with us, instead of above, because Mensis is the topmost place in the Nightmare.

>>167212930
Yeah, it would be for the cleavers but I've heard a few times that church pick is an exception given that while it doesn't look remotely serrated, has it on some moves.

>>167212875
For PvP yes. If you don't plan on doing that I guess 36 Vit is okay.

does the wheel only deal physical damage when untricked?

>>167213119
Nope. Got it on everything, which in fact makes it better than the saw cleaver, which doesn't have it on its cleaver side. Weird, isn't it?

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>>167212720
Anyone? Abhorrent Beast? This thing is a pain in my ass.

>>167213167
I might as well just go to 102 for pvp. It's not that big of a deal.

>>167213119
Church Pick is all serrated.

>>167213169
No, but it suffers a 30% STR scaling, or is it phys damage I'm not sure, reduction when tricked.

>>167213412
I'll SRRC in if you still want help, anon

>>167213493
Sure, gimme a sec, gotta clear bellringers

>>167213493
ringin

>>167213876
Praying to Kos for SRRC to work

>>167214018
Thanks! Man, I really should try a Whirligig build sometime, that thing tore through the motherfucker.

Fuck I accidentally attacked Eileen

what fucking do

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Rushing my way to the Rakuyo, anybody up for Lady Maria? Ringing at the fog with pass: rakuyo

>>167214248
gotta hit them twice to aggro them

>>167214248
Depending on how far you are, I would just start over. If you haven't killed Gascoigne, definitely reset

>>167214270
Ringing buddy

>>167214332
This is assuming you aggro'd her, if not, don't worry

>>167214075
No prob man

>>167214430
shes attacking me so, yea

>>167214375
You beautiful bastard you
Want to join me in the well to get the Rakuyo?

>>167214516
If you didn't kill Gascoigne, just hit the reset button. It won't take too long to get back to where you were

how does Valtr take so little damage from Laurence's swipes? It says he only has 1,000 or 1,400 HP. When I see him tanking hits it looks more like he has 14,000 HP

>>167214660
Let's go for it, man
I've got me boner blades

ok so I'm doing defiled right now, and I'm lacking In damage for my arc build with weapons. I have fifty arc so tools help but can only get so far. where can I get some better gems in the mean time

OH SHIT

MY HEALTH

CURSED DUNGEONS CUT MY HEALTH

>>167214835
Ringing at the first Hamlet lamp, same pass
Final push

>>167214819
This man ate a beast out of spite, became the head of the largest hunter organization we know of, used a bucket as a form of defense, and did it all without losing his constable uniform. He is more than capable of taking damage

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Maybe I'm just bad but Martyr Logarius is a fucking piece of shit. I remember seeing people complain about this fuck back when the game was fresh and hot.

All the tips I can find against him are made by smooth-brained normalfag vermin and don't fucking work, the second he goes into phase two he combos the shit out of me if I try to attack once whatsoever even when I don't let him get his super armor bullshit.

Are there any actual tips to beating this fuck than hoping you get lucky enough to stunlock him into some corner?

>>167214889
Lighthouse Hut Bolts. Farm fish wizards for 20.3% Radials and there's a Waning near the Blood Rock.

>>167215046
He's pretty tough. I usually end up coming back to him late on. But he's easy enough to parry after the first phase, just don't let him buff and shoot his sword if he plants it.

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>>167209991
>/bbg/ is really passionate about Bloodborne, this is why we get riled up so easily in lore and gameplay discussion.
>some autistic fuck doesn't know how to shut the fuck up and thinks every post is 100% serious

Passion is the heart of man which autism holds no similarity.

>>167215046
Fighting Logarius second phase is similar to fighting Pthumerian Elder up close.

dodge behind him; he has trouble turning and can be flinched pretty easily when he's not attacking. Just give yourself time to dodge and regenerate your stamina

>>167214996
Oh fuck, he just mowed us down
Let's give it another go

>>167215046
He's a pain in the ass for me as well.
What eventually usually works is being cautious in the first phase, avoid his stupid skull bullshit while chipping him down. Use that one big charge up to get a free charge attack->visceral on him. If he casts the sword cloud thing just try and keep out of LoS with it. Spamming gunshots genuinely seems to work out alright in phase 2 since you'll inevitably catch him with one.
Someone else can probably give you MUCH better advice right enough.

>orphan
STOP REEING AT ME YOU CUNT AND LET ME KILL YOU

>>167215367
Fucking got them. And it only took at least 4 deaths, kek
Thanks for helping man. Also
>surviving that grab attack
Crazy

So how the fuck do I deal with these shaman dudes who summon tracking fireballs constantly without pause? They one-hit me and I can't attack them because then I get hit. They have to stop shooting SOMETIME

>>167215734
Time their fireballs and close in to stunlock them to death. Approaching is the hardest part, and you have to make sure you don't get caught by the point blank insta-fireball.

>>167215046
>back when the fame was fresh and hot
>not thinking its still a spicy game

>>167215692
Kek, I wasn't expecting to survive that. Have fun with the Rakuyo, m8

>>167215826
It's only half-spicy. Bloodborne 2 : The Search For More Blood will be the new fresh spicy game.

>>167215046
dress for arcane damage. I'm pretty sure even his melee attacks deal exclusively arcane damage. Choir garb or student garb is good, and the 7% arcane defense rune

>>167216140
The Executioner set is right in Cainhurst, that's usually reliable for Arc resistance, isn't it?

>>167215961
take your lack of spiciness and get out

>>167216226
You want Henryks garb. Pretty sure its the best Bolt Resistance.

>>167215603
YEOW

>>167216415
Arcane defense, not Bolt defense

>>167216520
Oh, god nevermind retard moment.

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>>167216268
I'll have you know who you are talking to, sir. I'm the exclusive creator and owner of the The Pizza Boy, 4chan's most famous meme.

>>167216565
The Executioner's golden cone actually does have the best Bolt resistance of all head items, beating even Henryk's

>>167216634
Irony of a big golden lightning rod.

>>167216226
it's okay; 110 arcane defense. The choir garb goes up to 150

Is this a new glitch or something

What the fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJTP1RfeVgQ

>>167216802
i don't see anything out of the ordinary

>>167216998
>using a gun while using tricked kos parasite

anon

>>167216802
I don't see anything out of the ordinary, except an idiot who didn't Blood-tap for a fair fight and who was also too dumb to realise BMA does nothing for the Gattling Gun.

>>167216802
>using BMA with Gat

I've seen the glitch before, but it was with a Torch. Didn't know it was possible with guns, pretty cool.

>cainhurt crow's repeater takes out 3/4 oh my health in one shot
mother FUCKER

>>167217361
Use a Shield

Fuck the process that is getting the goddamn Rakuyo. At least I finally got it. All that's left is the Bloodletter, Bowblade, and Kos Parasite.

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What's a good level/story progression to hit up the DLC?

>>167218945
lv.65 right before Nightmare of Mensis

>>167218945
I did it after I killed Rom, so around the mid 60's/early 70's.

>>167218945
65+, whenever you're ready. You can suicide run to grab a few things like Chunks in the DLC right after Amelia. Ideally you'll want at least 30 Vit, one damage stat at a softcap (25) and a +6 or higher weapon.

>>167218945
After you beat Micalosh but before you beat WetNurse (doing it after WetNurse means you miss two lines of dialogue).

Level doesn't matter too much, but you want Mensis tier gems and ideally a +10 weapon, +6 is the bare minimum. If you want to rush DLC early to have cool weapons for the majority of your playthrough, then you want Lumpy gems from Lower Pthumeru.

>Rom was holding back Oedon for some unknown reason.
Was she trying to keep humanity safe from Mergo? Did she even realize she was holding Oedon back?

>>167219518
>Did she even realize she was holding Oedon back?
No, Rom is retarded

>>167213294
Very, yeah. Might as well get started on converting it to fire.

>>167215104
Is there something for fire gems as well?

>>167216764
It's called a Faraday cage, retard.

>>167220154
Nah, there's an Odd Triangle somewhere in Hamlet but that's it for fire gems. Loran has okay Wanings dropped from beasts and Lower Pthum fire axe dudes drop 16% fire radials which are more than enough for Defiled. You'll want to use Bolt gems for Hotdog though.

>>167214889
get a blacksky eye and cheese everything. That's what I did. Just dodge and shoot like playing a mage build in dark souls.

Anyone wanna go spelunking with me?

Hosting an F/R/C Ihyll pass: nookie

>>167220539
Anyone? No one? Pls? ;_;

>>167220539
Post again in six hours, and I'll join.
Or I'll host my own FRC.

>>167220539
I'll join in a bit if you're still looking for someone

>>167221635
Yeah, I'm still going

>>167221695
Ringing

>>167221810
I died, ringing again.

>>167221810
Do you have the pass on?

>>167222296
Holy fuck that's a first

>>167222495
What? Getting one shot? Yeah I don't know I have 50 vit.

Ringing again.

>>167222551
Nah, seeing that dude near the door. I don't think 50 Vit would've helped either, ringing

>>167222551
Fug sorry about that

>>167222772
fuckin RIP. my bell's still ringin

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>decide to sink points into arcane because of the messenger transformation item/spell.
>six levels later sitting at a nice 20
>Mfw Auger of Eberitas
>Mfw Empty Phatasm Shell
>Mfw Old Hunter's Bone
Holy shit magic is fun. So these old-one items were church related, right? What's a good weapon and attire set to compliment these rad-as-fuck items? I would re-roll but I've managed to clear most of the bosses through pure bullshit I have no chance of reproducing. Style takes precedence over function.

Do roaming bosses have the same stats and drops as if they were behind a fog wall? Do they respawn?

>>167222772
>>167222796
Ringing again

>>167222979
OHB Blade of Mercy dash-r1 spam is pretty cool. Anything with a good dash r1 like Wheel is great paired with the bone, Crow garb looks cool too with it. At 20 Arc you can use Exe gloves which won't do much damage but it's helpful for humanoid enemies if you wanna stagger them to get hits in.

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>>167222979
Consider going full arcane and becoming a broccoli head, choir set works well with it.

>>167223490
I still need to get the Old Hunters DLC, but that does seem pretty appealing.

>>167222979
Choir or White Church sets are common choices for Church Hunter cosplay.

Does 4chin work like the absolute shit today for anyone else? Pictures take forever to load, if at all, and I get constant connection errors on threads auto-update.

Is there a resource that clearly lists the different attack types for each weapon move? Like Blunt, Thrust, etc.

>>167223884
pictures have been doing that for me for a few weeks now, it's fucking annoying. they take ages to expand when clicked and sometimes just hang forever until I click then click them again

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:^)

>>167223917
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1doP2HShMmJcHZFTNSZ3yVFxbUu4U1aO6yHIk9-wQ1Wo/htmlview#

Under Moveset Data

>>167223393
Damn it, HP deplete abyssal.

I guess I'll try again tomorrow.

>>167224307
No prob, was fun. Were you trying to farm HBLB

>>167224165
Meh, a 27% triangle is easy to farm.

Come back when you get a 27% Arcane Radial (offshape from Watchers) with ATK down. that exact scenario happened to me

>>167224380
Yeah, I want to get two heavy abyssals for my claws

>>167223917
It's on bloodborne-wiki.

>>167224554
Ah, you should try savescumming. Makes farming way quicker. Also 1 Heavy should be enough for the Claw, you'll want 2 27.2% Phys gems with it.

>>167224508
I just got one with stamina 3%
I really don't want to farm anything like what you're describing

>>167224663
Oh, I was told that two heavy abyssals and a 27% triangle would be good. I don't know. That abyssal I got puts me to S scaling. I don't know if it goes up to SS or not.

>>167224762
The letter stops at S but still increases the Strength scaling number. 2 might be better if you have low Skill but with 25 Skl you'll want just one with the Phys gems.

>>167224889
aight thanks for the help dude

>>167224240
cheers

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>a game featuring giant beasts, cosmic horrors and all kinds of ancient evil
>the most dangerous enemies by far are dogs and spiders
Why is this allowed?

>>167225046
No prob

>>167208859
To elaborate a bit more on the topic of arcane: Heavy hitting, pure physical damage weapons scale really well with arcane when given an element because it converts ALL that pure damage into elemental damage of that type. This means that not only will you do a ton of damage by default, it will also scale off of your arcane too.

I prefer using the Church Pick for my elemental weapons because it is both serrated and holy (which means it does extra damage to both kin and beast). For strength builds I'd use ludwig's blade or hammer for dat raw damage.

Hope this helps, gl :D

Are there any weapons that would benefit from heavy/sharp gems over just sticking three tempering/adept gems in it?

>>167224889
ACTUALLY, if you have two perfect Heavy Abyysals (+15 flat secondary) it's better than two 27.2%'s on every attack but the untricked Charge R2 even with 25 SKL. Assuming you are using the rune.

However, depending on where Beasthood falls in the damage formula it might end up worse the moment you gain even a drop of beast meter. But it needs to be tested.

>>167225373
Sharp gems are always useless. For mathematical reasons they cannot beat a Tempering. At 99 SKL they are as effective as a tempering with the same value (EG 20 SKL scaling VS 20% physical ATK) but since Temperings go higher than Sharps, it's worth discarding every one you pick up.

Heavies are the same, except the ones dropped by Cursed Depth 5 Headless Bloodletting Beast. They go up to 65 STR scaling, and if you have 50 STR there isn't a weapon in the game not worth putting 1-2 Heavy Abyysals in.

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>>167225132
The most dangerous enemies are Winter Lanterns and Bellringing Maidens so I'd say the general theme is preserved.

>>167226083
>The most dangerous enemies are Winter Lanterns
You're like a little baby.
>and Bellringing Maidens
The SPIDERS they summon, not them.

>>167226204
>and Bellringing Maidens
>The SPIDERS they summon, not them.
No man, if you have a monster spawning hordes of other monsters, the actual danger is the source, not the summons. Of course she's weaker than them by herself, she's a summoner enemy.

>gas can randomly decides he doesn't want to get stunned by his music box
>one shots me with a jump attack when you can't even track him with the camera
amazing game

>>167226738
Shhh... what's that smell? Ooh, git gud it sings to you.

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>mad ones in CRF
>some of their attacks have hyper armor and some of them don't
Literally giving me cancer.

Also, does the drop system work the exact same way as in Dark Souls? A number from 1-1000 is picked, and the higher your discovery, the higher chances of getting a drop?

>>167227450
All of their attacks have it. Just bait an attack, dodge and get a couple of hits in. Repeat until dead. Or you can bait an attack when they're just flailing around aimlessly and shoot them. Pretty much a guaranteed parry.
Wait until you find Hemwick witches in FRCs.

Thinking of replaying after 1 year hiatus, using only low tier weapons. Opinions on the Reiterpallasch?

>>167228217
>Reiterpallasch
>Low tier

Reiter is good, if a little short range. Rifle Spear is the real low tier gun weapon.

>>167228217
It's fun, decent damage. Not really low-tier like Stake and Claw, just underrated. 50 Skl and 10 Blt is all you need for it. Most of it is thrust which is great for Kin and tricked mode is almost as quick as BoM.

>Are my Church Hunters the honorable spartans I hoped they would be?
Who's the most tragic figure in Bloodborne? Ludwig makes me pretty fucking sad.

>>167228464
Gilbert or Gascan's daughter.

>>167227630
That's what I'm talking about. Farming isz, hemwick witches everywhere.

L3 should have been an autorun toggle.
Prove me wrong.

>>167228710
Jump.

>>167228829
They should have done exactly what DaS2 did and allowed rebinding the jump controls from circle to L3.
The unused top button of the touchpad should have been an autorun toggle.
Prove
Me
Wrong

Does the watcher who drops 31.5% BT gem have to be a coffin guardian or can it be a lever guardian? I know it has to be scattergun.

>>167229389
This is an interesting thing actually.

Some shotgun watchers don't drop BLT gems, others ALWAYS drop BLT gems. In fact the BLT ones seem also drop cursed gems regardless of whether the dungeon is cursed (I got lots of cursed BLT circles in a Depth 2 root).

Maybe chest VS lever makes a difference, or maybe it's multiple Enemy types who are functionally indentical except for loot pool. Or maybe it's just random chalice fuckery we can't see (if you do a Foetid offering there is a whole bunch of effects it can do, each with a % chance. It's why some dungeons have Witchs everywhere and others have none).

For instance Lumpy only drops Cursed Gems, but I've gotten uncursed gems from Heated Club Watchers in different dungeons.

>>167229805
So glad this game isn't on PC so we can't know the all the values.
I suppose it wouldn't exist if that was the case though. Or have been handled by bamco. I shudder to think.

I might be autistic, but sweet merciful lord, the atmosphere in this game is out of this world. I can't remember the last time I was actually fucking frightened while playing the videogame. is anything good or cheerful even happens in this game?

>>167215029
>used a bucket as a form of defense
He only uses it for style, he gave up on his peripheral vision and depth perception for fashion.

>>167223008
No and some of them no

>>167230108
Ripping apart the flesh of one's enemies and being rained upon by their splattering blood of course.

>>167225660
Does beasthood affect flat damage? If not one heavy is enough. I could test it with an Abyssal with +15 and another with +12 if you want.

I'm done with Pthumeru and Loran and I still have no idea how does FRC creation work. Can someone explain me, in low insight terms, what exactly do I need and how can I access these dungeons now that I've killed Queen? Do I need to complete Isz? I can't figure it out from graphs if it's optional or obligatory.

>>167231143
There's a guide in the OP you can follow. Once you've made a single FRC Depth 5 root dungeon of any area (Ihyll, Loran, Isz) you can access any online glyph as long as you have the root they're located in. If you wanna access Isz glyphs, you're gonna have to complete Great Isz to get Isz root. You don't have to complete your FRC dungeon, just create one.

Sinister glyphs won't be accessible until you've made one though, they aren't used much either since they can't be cursed so you can ignore them unless they have something you want.

>>167231143
>obtain all the root chalice items
>make (you don't have to complete it) 1 depth 5 ISZ chalice with all 3 modifiers (fetid, rotted, cursed)

You can now use any glyph.

reminder not to reply to tripfags

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>you will never be grabbed by the wrist by maria

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>Never had trouble with Blood Starved Beast in all of my playthroughs
>Play a new game at friends house because he wanted to see the game
>BSB suddenly gains 50 aggression points and rips me a new one with ease

What the fuck >:(

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>>167231847
i hate this kinda thing, where youre reasonable at the game but as soon as someone else is watching you get well memed also i make weird as fuck faces when playing games when something intense happens ;_; my ex used to laugh at me when i did... felt bad man

>>167229939
You fagets already farm only a handful of glyphs and savescum. That has taken way more fun out of the game than datamining could.

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>>167231847
>having friends
into the trash you go you filthy normie

>>167231143
You need the corresponding Root Chalice (you get those by beating fixed chalice bosses) and the ritual materials. Same thing as with the fixed dungeons. Except you can select up to three additional rites that make the dungeon more difficult, but potentially yield better gems.

>>167231847
performance anxiety

Since I doubt the Good Hunter can read magical descriptions that appear on all the items you gather, it's kind of hilarious thinking about just how clueless he really is about the situation around him. Besides the info he gets off of letters and NPCS, anyway, but that all tends to be cryptic and vague as fuck.

"Lemme just shovel these umbilical chords in my mouth, one sec. Feelin' kinda Peckish. What? Moon Presence? Never heard of it."

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so i think im about to watch black hawk down and play bloodborne, what do you fuckboys do while playing the tedious parts of bb (like savescumming or story chalices etc)