/rlg/ Roguelike General

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>>164687538
>using shit soda as the leading pic of the day
How sad.
First for better choice.

>>164687657
See filename.

It is sort of IVAN-related.

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>>164687657
>He doesn't know

Anon.

>>164687528
i was just saying that a dragon pit would have way better loot

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Jesus christ, never play short blades users unless you're a Vine stalker. Even Uskayaw can't salvage them because I've can't even scratch the skeletal warrior pack on d:11 and also this annoying fucking vampire who I've kiting for the past 10 years.

This is so shit that I'm considering just ctrl+Q'ing

>>164687992
>+2 venom dagger instead of switching to a real sword for a second
your own fault

>>164687992
Anon, rapiers are short blades too.

>>164687538
>all i wanted was a goddamn pepsi and she wouldn't give it to me

>>164688081
I killed it with a lucky sack of spiders evoke which let me distract stab it, thank fucking god.

Anyway, guess I'll go pick up the scimitar on d:10 if Usk can't be played 100% short blades then.

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Melial and swarm of bees the floor up, what do.

>>164688545
explore carefully on lair:5, until you find an upper staircase and then press X and then press [ on the staircase(or was it ]) to look up the staircase to see what's up there before ascending.

Use a magic mapping if you want.

>>164688545
Have you tried not playing nucrawl

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>>164687538

this is what roguelikes have become. brb ending myself

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>>164689153
If you don't like it, why are you posting about it
why even acknowledge its existence

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>>164689323

I personally prefer tummy roguelikes

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500 damage manastorms suck even when yer a drgn

but he never summoned anyone, so that was super.

Is Chei good for casters?

>>164688759
>>164688768
+3 ring of slaying or save the gold? I cleared Orc now and scored an rN+ D+3 shield for 256 gold.

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>>164689617
Talking about EO, I just discovered that a translation for 7th Dragon DS exists!!!! Now I just have to find that damn R4....

>>164689854
Chei is for hybrids.

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>>164690127
Scratch that, I went with my own free will and gambled on a randart pair of gloves. Without them I have MR++, with just the +. How do I look?

>>164690127
Always pick whatever benefits your character at the moment, if you have no other good rings and you think your damage needs a boost then sure, get the +3 ring of slaying. Gold is plentiful anyway.

>>164689670
that's shockingly fair of him
any useful drop?

>>164690404
mr+ is pretty dangerous, one paralyse can end your run pretty easily, or a banishment.

Those gloves aren't THAT godly, so I wouldn't wear them, since you'll be meeting hexers and banishers fairly often and one bad dice roll and you're fucked unless you have mr+++

>>164690634
not really, just the charmed pendant. Can't use it yet or ever because I have a resist hole without my current amulet. It's not something I'd switch my setup for.

>>164690654
Righto. I have some gloves of dex from Oka so I'll go with that. Should I do Shoals or Spider first? I can get a + of rPoison and rCorr if it matters for Spider.

>250 ft
>still havent found a stack of arrows
Fuck you RNG

>>164691167
spider for sure, shoals is the hardest of the 4 lair branches.

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OOOOOOOOHHHH BABY

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Oh right, I forgot about that.
You need a dwarf to detonate the grenade or else everyone will be on your ass.

>Want to get into RLs
>DCSS is considered babby's first must win
>Play MiBe to learn the game
>Autoexploring and mashing the directional key into every enemy I come across

I don't think this is a good way to learn something

>>164688308
why are you using shortblades on a character without a reliable stab-enabler
stab is the only thing shortblades are good for

>>164689670
>good type for some reason
im pretty sure in one of Lovecraft's stories he helps the protagonist dude beat up Nyartholep

>>164691628
I thought I'd go with something a bit more exotic than the usual axe user + okawaru/makhleb so I decided to do Uskayaw + short blades, I was hoping that paralyze stabs would trigger fast but that requires a ton of invo with Uskayaw so I'm just using a scimitar now and using the dagger as a switch for uskayaw paralyze stabs.

>>164690312
I've already become a hybrid, using a bow to attack on top of my ice spells.

Should I really start dumping points in bows or just fighting and my spells?

>>164690404
i don't think the str is worth the MR

maybe keep them on in poisony branches like spider/snake, but ditch them otherwise

>>164691259
play feanor, use the one free smithing perk to just turn every forge into a pile of free arrows

>>164691745
>beating up tiny noodle anime girl
What a monster.

>>164691897
>play feanor
EDAIN PRIDE
You wont make me play a filthy elf

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>>164692186
Stay pure, anon!

You know, If I had several hours to spare I'd watch Dicks' MuMo vods again. They're really something.

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how do you pronounce Oberon?

there's a guy with the same name in Sword Art Online but he calls himself o-BAY-ron and it really weirds me out

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I don't really get the point of halflings desu, they're like melee spriggans without the speed. One wrong step and your tiny sliver of hp just melts away, what the fug senpai.

>>164692923
>watching sub-par anime
>>164692973
they're one of the strongest races. You just need to learn how to use their versatility.

>>164692973
>only 20 EV even with the % bonus from being a small race
what the h*ck anon, are you even training dodge
halflings get really tanky because of their good apts in armor/dodge and their racial EV bonus

>>164692923
I say "oh-burr-awn," pretty close to "over on"

>>164692923
>Sword Art Online

HET

>>164692923
Oh-bear-on

What the hell, I was XL4, got to the second level of the mines and suddenly, snakes and killer bees and ants and other nasties EVERYWHERE.
Good thing I had charm monster. Henceforth I was the leader of a small army of critters, until I got seperated from the pack by a trap door and a nasty woodland elf decided that I should be dead.

All I wanted to do was keep my kitten alive until Minetown and see if I could get Magicbane ;_;

>>164687992
>using a dagger for anything besides stabbing

FAULT

>>164693258
the only japanese animes i have watched are SAO and yuru yuri

>>164694390
Also
> inventory full of wands, rings, amulets
> no fountains, altars etc anywhere
> don't use anything because fuck having to deal with potentially cursed items
> die
> everything turns out to be uncursed or blessed items that could have helped keep me alive
> next game
> try everything on
> cursed ring of levitation, amulet of strangulation
gg

>>164691618
stabbers or spellcasters are much better for learning. just be prepared to die a lot to learn.

>death yak and ugly thing packs before I even find the lair entrance
>no rpois
help

>>164694951
use you are pet to curse-test items anon

>>164695129
ARGHH
Needless to say I'm a fucking noob, I keep forgetting about some mechanic as soon as I learn a new one. My previous 5 characters died because I kept forgetting about Elbereth.

>>164695056
>teleport away
>two headed ogre guarding the orcish mines
help

>>164695354
just tab it
believe in yourself

>>164696150
I survived thanks to ice beasts, but I've had to blink, teleport and more to lose the death yaks.
Turns out they were guarding the lair entrance with those, what a sick joke. I'm not sure if I should even get to the lair as a chei worshiper and no rpois

>>164691618
MiBe is actually a great way to learn at least Crawl (if not all RLs) but not for the reason you think.

Minotaur Berserker is the species-class-god setup where you need the least amount of caution -- HOWEVER, you still need a fair amount of caution to win. Once you learn to win a fairly invincible setup like an endgame MiBe with heavy armor and strong+fast weapons, it'll be much easier to play cautiously with different races and classes.

It quite literally is similar to a baby: you go about learning the game with little caution, and the pain of splatting (especially when you're playing too confidently) will teach you to be more careful.

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Remember kids, when someone lacks a resistance, take advantage of it.

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Got Iceform, and i still want to run the fuck away.
However, the entire floor will be INFESTED with bees then.

>>164698839
Senpai, there's no point taking that many on. Just go up and take a different staircase and hopefully you can go pick and them off as they disperse throughout the floor.

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I'm level 5 and have 1210 gp to my name, but hopefully I can get a few useful from this black market before they disappear, namely -Teleport Other, _Teleportation, !Healing

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I always thought Uskayaw was a meme, but holy fuck is it strong with an amulet of faith and 10+ invo.

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I've nearly splatted 5 times now but I'm managing to survive. I'm still at the Lair and was able to kill hydras but could someone confirm that I'm not doing something extremely stupid with these skills and weapon?

>>164698025
nnnnnice

i didn't even know she had that gigantic gaping resist hole

>>164701218
the power and failure rate of spells is based on the average of the relevant schools. you should have at least some points in charms/hexes/summoning, especially because the low levels of them are about 1/18th the xp cost of 1 more level in ice magic right now

>>164701714
That's what I usually did but I remember someone linking a succesful hybrid that basically only put points in one main skill.
Guess I'll dump some more points in charms and summoning.

>>164701218
There's not really much point doubling up on bows AND conjurations, since you're splitting your exp 2 ways for basically the same effect.

I would put some points into charms/summoning and then focus on fighting/dodging/armour.

>>164701913
That's what I feared.
My game generated tons of frost resistant undead and I'd often run out of mana even pelting down monsters not resistant to it.
Being fragile, wearing a robe and only relying on ozocubu for AC I decided to grab a bow to help me kill weaker and ice-immune creatures until I could reliable use icicle and it certainly helped me so far. But I guess that for the endgame it's not that viable.

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Where's the dungeon for the warg quest in poschengband?

>>164701218
What species is that? I can't figure out from its apts

>>164703835
the wargs are on floor 5 of Stronghold, which is the one just outside of the starting town, near where the bandit entrance was

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first time I've gotten one of these as the warg quest reward shield, not bad!

in the PCB arena, if you die there, do you die for real? Can you escape somehow?

>>164704362
Yes, a hit squad arrives to your house to take you out. No one escaped so far

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>>164704039
Here? It says it's Camelot.

>>164704484
what version number are you on? It used to be Camelot, but then that was split into two dungeons, Stronghold (only 15 deep) right there, and Camelot a ways to the south

>>164704484
but yeah it will be in there in your version

also damn I miss when it used to display your class and title in the stats sidebar...was better for thread image sharing

>>164704654
It's version 3.5.1, downloaded this since it was displayed as the "stable" version.

I recruited a cursed dog in OWH and it kept doing damage to me but couldn't be attacked, forcing me to chuck gear I liked at it to kill it

share similar dumb stories plz I want to laugh at stupid people.

>>164703920
Frog, from the experimental branch.
Basically a human that moves slow and gets an inaccurate blink (hop) ability.

>>164705641
Now im about to die to a single death yak, woo

>>164705293
gotcha. 5.0.3 is quite stable, though it is on the other side of an interface change so I suppose that's why chris sorted it separately. Works fine though.

>>164687538
Oh, is this the latest forced in-joke as a result of a dumb off-topic argument?

>>164706397
see >>164687756
it came up last thread

>>164700795
Fug, splatted after a complete shitshow in shoals:4 where I burned a ton of resources and then tried to tab through a horde in vaults:3. I did have like 4-5 blink scrolls but at that point I didn't really give a fuck.

Halfling's fragility is complete dicks, I'll just roll Axes + Okawaru next time, and stick to the stairs like glue, since that's apparently the only way you don't get your ass completely pounded as a low HP species that uses melee.

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1a30b92d9c8e80d4b27917dea059dba4ae6ece30
We will be able to play BaNe and BaBe after all!

>>164704362
Due to some poor planning there are two different things named "arena" in PCB.

In the Telmora arena, dying just dumps you back in town with 0hp (and you lose a lot of fame and get permabanned from future arena fights), but in the arena _dungeon_ dying is real

>>164706397
pepsi isn't an /rlg/ in-joke it's an IVAN joke

did you know that a whip made out of pepsi is the ultimate, most powerful weapon

if you get a pet archon and disable "allow attack spells" and "allow summon spells" in the pet menu, it will just spam globe of invulnerability forever

hmmm

>>164708604
neat tech

>>164707972

so, it's literally pepe the frog.

>>164709041
i love peep the reddit amphibian!

>>164707972
This is exactly the Frog race I was playing on that experimental branch.
Makes for some more forgiving Chei playthroughs than naga.

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FYI the Olympians are a bunch of major pricks. Clearly not intended to be fun.

balls

just spend half of my money on an amulet that activates for Holiness, only to learn that it isn't actually in the ring's castable spell list

>>164710135
if you do codey stuff it's pretty easy to add I think. Nivim did this with a lot of effects for himself. IMO it's more chris oversight than a balance thing.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=18802

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>>164709890

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Transmutilator also works decently.

>>164710812
if I change around rings I will probably also change the spell lists to keep consistent letter assignments for different things, instead of constantly changing positions as you learn new abilities

should probably do the same for imitators

>>164711707
I have a very extensive Mogaminator script to autoinscribe basically every item I'll even consider carrying, so I approve.

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Had a regrettable close call where Zeus summoned four other Olympians and brought me down to 200-300 HP. Serves me right for not anti-summon corridoring.

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>Unicorn can summon clones of dead uniques

Chriiiiiist

why don't you just take on the serpent yourself then, you stupid horse?

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well this has been a really lucky start. Rod of Iron and this sweet ring.

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>>164712189
how's this

>>164718551
whoah cool

scroll of crafting vs. artifact reforging, what will get a nicer result for an item?

>>164719843
artifacting is better. Read it in your deepest available dungeon floor.

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I'm trying to play mantis ship in FTL, but I always get screwed over by the second sector. Is there a specific build I should be looking for?

>>164721485
not actually a roguelike despite the steamtag, so not for this thread
you just need a good mix of offense and defense. generally go for shield upgrade and the necessary power upgrade early

Remove scroll of acquirement and replace it with scroll of merge items :
Merge two non-artifact items from the same type into single artifact.

Less RNG bs, more control for the player.

>left the discord serb by accident

wowe

in PCB, what the s_info and m_info files from the edit folder are about ?

>>164719843
reforging will usually be better
the exception is items with very high base values relative to the artifact you're using to reforge (because the result of reforging has a max power based on the artifact you used) but in that case you can also just wait until you have more expensive artifacts to use

>>164722750
s_info is starting/max skills (e.g. riding, dual wielding, longswords...) for each class

m_info is per-spell level requirements and failrates for each class
(yes these are different on a class-by-class basis. compare a beastmaster to a trump high-mage)

>>164722412
>scroll of remove bloat
sounds like something the devs will enjoy

>>164722412
Acquirement is less BS than you think. It straight up favors things that you haven't seen before, which is always good.

Merging items is dumb, since it'd only be useful for armor (jewelry and weapons can be switched in half a turn). Plus, removing the option for people to do dumb things like acquire food/money is the definition of un-fun.

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dead

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tummies

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IT'S OVER, SERPENT

I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND

>>164730584
dragons can wear hats, right?
put the crown on and then post your death to a GWOP pit in heaven when you can't tele away

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>>164730584
Adventurer, did I ever tell you about the Serpent of Chaos? He was one of the most powerful entities in the world, but it turns out he never acquired any shard resistance in his aeons in this universe, so you could use rocket wands, even as a melee character, to take pot shots at him from two grids away. He also didn't know the most powerful spell in the world, mana storm. Instead, he breathed chaos and nether regardless of his ever-dwindling health. He was a good friend.

>>164730584
>>164731714
congratulations!

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can I do extended. I have mR++ option at the loss of rC++

I feel like I'll just go out of MP fire storming rF+++ creatures while dragging the whole level to me too much

>>164733965
Get iron shot and/or LCS (some people like orb of destruction, I don't). That will be your most-used extended spell.

>>164733965
You only need rC+++ with Lon Lobon and Cocytus

rC+ plus will do in most of Pan and Hell but playing with MR++ only is way too risky

So equip that extra MR and do it

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>>164708604
update:
charmed a fallen angel too
they're hostile to each other so they keep casting spells all the time

>>164735954
ahahah

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>Local wolfgirl enters the abyss

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Oh jeez
But I haven't even spent too much time here yet

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Ah well, maybe next time.

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This little naked lady can fist
I'll move this downstairs, it's going rather well and I'm taking it way too easy.

>>164731714
>>164742449
Congrats lads. Making /rlg/ proud.

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>shield before lair
>ring of RF
>+5 EV ring

Clearly, 2017 is going to be a good year.

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I never understand why some mobs fall into shafts, some don't and some need to pass over it multiple times to fall down.
Is it because he has already spotted it?

>>164745219
yeah monsters have a chance to spot traps just like the player does

and even if they don't see it they aren't guaranteed to fall in

>start as gnome wizard
>let cat kill the first few enemies to increase health
>fucking thing dies to a newt
>oh well, guess I'll keep going
>end up telepathic, have uncursed blindfold
>go into gnomish mines
>first level, all good
>second level, dark and orcs fucking everywhere, wasted my ?oMM on regular dungeon level I thought was mines because stairs room was dark
>fail to write Elbereth like 4 times in a row
>zap /oT at self to not die
>find sleeping gas trap
>hunker down next to it, write Elbereth, wait for recovery
>take potshots at monsters when they turn to flee or step into the trap
>can't find stairs down, take trapdoor that some orcs and a bugbear fell down earlier
>third level, it's dark AGAIN
>lots of orcs
>retreat, Elbereth, recover power and health, take potshots
>bugbear has found wand of digging, digs down
>it's dark anyway; put on blindfold and exterminate while searching for stairs down
>suddenly yellow o's everywhere
>fuck this, jump down hole bugbear dug
>land in shop in Minetown
>telepathy: east side of town has one door that leads to monsters, west side is safe
>rock moles start eating the walls, monsters pour in
>retreat
>find coaligned altar, hunker down
>dwarf and rock moles start fucking up the walls
>cast force bolt from within temple, go out for a few seconds to grab corpses to #offer because god is pissed for praying for food too often while weak
>when I entered Minetown there was a bugbear, kobold shaman, some hill orcs and rock moles
>now there's a plains centaur, elf zombies, killer bees galore and a panther
>kill panther, try to grab corpse
>The killer bee stings! The killer bee stings! The killer bee stings! The killer bee stings! The human zombie hits! The killer bee stings!
>3 hp and path back into temple (literally 2 steps) blocked off by bees
>zap /oT again
>MORE KILLER BEES
>fail to write Elbereth
>die
On the plus side, I got my highest score yet at ~11k

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New to the game, I got this war axe from a wight on 4th floor. This looks too good to me, are there any secret drawbacks to this? Getting a +5 enchanted weapon on 4th floor just sounds suspicious to me

>>164746546
you have to train your axes skill to 18-20 so the weapon coulb fast

otherwise its gonna be slow and you may get killed.anyway use it and try to berserk anything that looks dangerous until you train it to min delay

>>164746751
It's 9.4 right now, I'm not missing much. Also weapon is good in general right? I have two scroll of enchant weapons, I can get it up to +7

>>164745462
That only explains 100% failure or 100% fail, since once you spot a trap you can't fall into it anymore unless willingly.
I remember once I tried to make Gastronok fall into a shaft, but he walked over it twice without falling, then when I went out of LOS he fell into it for some reason.

I still don't understand what happened to this day.

>>164746484
Go team bee!

>>164746951
yeap its good for early-mid game

train axes as much as you can along with some fighting for hp

beware of the hydras at lair,always berserk them until you find a weapon of flaming to chop their heads off

Poz my ChengBand hole
Fuck it felt good to get that out of my system

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>>164748140
>out of my system
You'll be back.

>>164748140
you need to sudo it

unless logged in as root
you wouldn't do that sort of thing anon, would you?

Is SanctuaryRPG a roguelike?

>>164749837
it has some weird jrpg-style menu combat thing doesnt it

if you dont fight dragons by bumping the @ into the D, it ain't like rogue

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>>164729491
excellent tum, anon

Apparently Ieoh Jian was just revamped to a no-weapons state. Didn't check it out yet but sounds very REMOVE BLOAT like

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Arrrrrrrrrrr! Fat bounty and lots o' rum!

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>Shoals and not swamp
Good tidings all around!

>>164751002

You're allowed to do all special moves in every melee type in exchange. Even unarmed. The random divine weapons also became accessible from a 5* piety 6 MP active ability. Its duration seems the same previously

>>164753541
>tidings
Gitouttaere!

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>You see a thrice-blessed savefile.

Those are some ugly-ass sneks.

>ring of stealth and dagger of draining on D:1
>playing as vine stalker assassin
kekekeke

>>164755003

>wanting to reduce total freexp gained

F A U L T

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Pirate slang be so funny. There also be a "deadlight sore" (kyan e) to the north o' me... :)

>>164755987
It doesn't even do that anymore.

>>164755987
I'm now just mashing everything instead because I found a short sword of venom on the same floor

>>164756246

For real?

>>164756571
>Prior to 0.15, draining weapons would permanently lower monster HD, which also slightly lowered the experience and piety rewards for killing them.

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>kite all the hydras I can't kill on a safe level
>2 6 headed hydras, 2 7 headed and 2 8 headed
I call this level: "Cold storage free xp"

>>164756638

What a no-brainer. It also encourages degenerate switching behavior that crawl is trying to avoid. They should just remove Drain to be honest

>>164729491

my morningstar just turned into a large club

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Why is DCSS so hard? And i don't mean "challenging" i mean "HARD".
One moment you're breezing through the gobbos and rats, and the next you're surrounded by an army of out of depth monsters.
To say nothing of the uniques that can fuck your shit up regardless of your build, like Sonja or Erolcha.

Most times the game feels like it's all about getting lucky rolls of the RNG, rather than making a tactically sound decision.

I want to like the game, but it keeps giving me reasons not to.

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Would you look at them gloves
Worth risking my face against those blizzard demons
They're basically +4 gloves of strength and RC

>>164757657
Git Gud.

>>164757061
Is carrying a flaming/blunt weapon for hydras or a holy wrath weapon for undead and demons really degenerate behavior?

>>164757657
As an idiot that has won once by luck, I am pretty sure the main skill in DCSS is learning to assess situations and bail before they get out of hand. You have to run away before much luck is involved.

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Bad, ?acquirement.
Bad.

Cleared D, Orc and Lair.
D:15 gifted me a large shield of protection, which is great. The only thing I could use in Orc:4 was a +5 (!) ring of protection, while lair gave me a ton of freexp.

Planning on taking snek and then shoals tomorrow.
Stay tuned for YASD.

Am I a little bitch for not daring to play Nethack seriously before DCSS

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Have a taste of my +6 silver saber named Spleendrain.

>worshipping Ru
>find manual of Invocations on D:11
T-thanks

>>164760821
nethack feels very different in a lot of ways. DCSS is a much more like an ordinary fantasy game. NetHack has more in common with the text-only adventure games that also just happens to be a roguelike...it is a lot more "well fuck now I know that's a thing" plus the gametext is very funny. "the dev team thinks of everything" (tdttoe) is a phrase that is about NetHack, because it has rarely-seen lines of text just to cover basically every imaginable situation. Trying to #dip a potion into itself gives the message "This is a potion bottle, not a Klein bottle!" When trying to use a camera underwater the game stops you by saying "Using your camera underwater voids the warranty." And so on.


>>164760906
>Have a taste of my +6 silver saber named Spleendrain.
sounds like greyswandir's fucked up cousin

Did refitting clothes in C:DDA change lately? I haven't played in a while and it isn't working the way it used to, and I can't find any new options to allow it.

Is trying to keep AC and EV roughly equal preferable on DCSS as a melee fighter?

>>164763346
There's no real need to, but it is good to have both ( low AC-characters get chewed by multiple attacks like hydras, while low-EV characters get pincushioned by projectiles. )
I personally start with focus in AC, then go for EV by Vaults/Shoals.

>roll neutral gnome wizard
>start with ring of invisibility and +5 to hit ring
>train kitten to fetch shit for me
>finally grow kitten into a housecat, reks every hobgoblin's shit
>find and ID polymorph wand but save it for now
>find an uncursed amulet, don't know what it does but put it on
>get intrinsic telepathy from floating eye corpse
>kitten goes and gets killed by a gold golem
>get to gnomish mines level 3, barely survive first room beyond stairs (again, fucking killer bees) by writing Elbereth, waiting for them to disperse, then dashing for it while invisible to keep from getting hit
>draw bees into choke point
>zap them with force bolt when they line up
>get to minetown, time to identify BUC statuses and sell shit
>sell all unnecessary stuff
>time to exit shop
>The white unicorn bucks! The white unicorn bucks!
>fail to write Elbereth REEEEE
>don't have gems anymore
>can't run because I'm still in the doorway and the unicorn is waiting around the corner
>corridor in other direction blocked by baby alligator
FFFFUUUUUCKCCCKCKCK

>read the wiki
>However, note that invisibility can backfire for a weak character. If the unicorn can't see you, it will not know to stay a knight's move away. Its high speed makes it likely to randomly wander adjacent to your position, at which point it will notice you and attack.
KHAFGRAGKDGSDLGASD

>>164764087
Oh and the amulet turned out to be reflection, too.

>>164764087
>>164764176
heheheh, nethack/10

>>164764087
>train kitten to fetch shit for me
What gaem?

Does Nemelex require invocations or evocations for using decks now? Or is it wise to just level both anyway

>>164764820
Nemelex uses Invo now, try to get at least like 6-10 invo before relying on summong decks because they can spawn hostile.

>>164764820
Invo

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How goes your double jumping /rlg/?

>>164764820
Invo only for Nemelex. Evo is always good.

>>164758845
Winning DCSS isn't due to pure luck, lucky randarts and items can only get you so far, so really if you've done it once, you can do it again.

>>164764654
Nethack.

>You redirect the seven-headed Hydra's attack!
>The seven-headed Hydra barely misses itself.
>The seven-headed Hydra bites itself!! The seven-headed Hydra bites itself! The seven-headed Hydra bites itself. The seven-headed Hydra bites itself! x3
>The seven-headed Hydra dies!

I used to be so afraid of hydras when I was new to DCSS.
If only I knew the real danger were death yaks.

>>164767098
>not spiny frogs

>>164767140
I don't think I ever died to those.

>>164763303
Some clothing can't be refitted

>>164758845
Just like every other roguelike, except other roguelikes have more ways to deal with things, and often include a good amount of very cryptic threats and solutions. Example: ADOM's wipe face command used for only one thing in the game or the one-shot death on sight from the banshee.

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Am i playing the game correctly yet?

>>164763303
At some point they put in a nice menu for automatic grinding, and made it much harder to actually succeed. Now it's about as hard to refit something as it is to make from scratch. But at least it tells you, I guess.

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>had to burn through 2 blinks when I was gonna die, 2 fear and noise scrolls,four teles and one fog because sirens kept me from stairdancing

Well, at least they were for a good cause. There's a permabazaar and I've got a ton of money.

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found bailey on a DeCo, got battlesphere to reliable, have a +7 venom dagger and wands of dig, disint and acid should i try?

>>164765328
Not pure luck, but my drops let me get away with playing pretty badly.

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7 Orbs of fire later second win is near. Double sword of freezing definitely made up for my shit tier resistance stats.

How does a Chei worshipper survive the orb run?
Lots of blinking and teleportation?

>>164769571
You kill most of the shit chasing you.

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Finally made it to Grit Gate but I am afraid to go to Golgotha. Where should I explore to get some xp?

I've already explored the historical site but I failed to find the artifact.

>>164769571
Blinking is uncontrolled on orb run and teleportation takes a lot longer.

You'll just want to kill everything, but you need to be wary of tormenters. Most panlords are fodder for an endgame chei character but sometimes you can have a nasty fucker with glaciate.

>>164769842
Get the ingredients for a cure for Glotrot together before you go to Golgotha.

>>164770045
After some googling I found out that the recipe is available in Kyakuya. Should I head there now?

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Finally, the korsair kan komplete 'er ascension kit!

>>164770259
Uh huh.

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fulminant prism is my waifu

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Alright, which dragon lies behind all those coins?

>>164769842
Is this Caves of Qud? Looks nice, reminds me of early Ultima.

>paid
What?

>>164770718
It seems like all your games have been OpTm^Gozag, is there any particular reason? I feel like you would have better survivability with Octopode fighter of Hepliaklqana, which has enough defensive and offensive power to carry you to statue form.

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GOTTA GET BACK
BACK TO D:5
FORMICID FI
(Watch out)
I was only on D:5 because a naturally-occuring shaft dropped me there from D:3

>>164770937
Yes, it's Caves of Qud. Best ten bucks I've ever spent. There's a free, outdated ASCII version available that doesn't really do the game justice though.

>>164771078
I believe that's the guy who made an octodragon and zigged for like 3 days about a year ago. He stockpiled artifacts and grinded benemut until he had hit the mut limit

>>164769028
Could you elaborate on that a little? Is refitting still supposed to happen from a success on repairing a full condition item with a tailor's kit? Is there a new method or menu that I'm missing?

>>164771467
>paying 10 bucks for a tileset
No, wait. I'm being rude.
How does it try to stray away from other RLs?

>>164771831
You're falling for masterb8

>>164767559
well yeah, having shitty escape options is what *makes* crawl require more threat assessment than other roguelikes

in *bands you just need to ask "can this monster poz my gaping resisthole for more than my maxhp" and as long as the answer is no and you have !healing ?destruct ?telelevel you can try to fight it without really risking death

in dcss you need to decide a situation is bad BEFORE you hit 1hp because shit like ?tele takes a long time to go off

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tell a noob what to save up for. as of now only have a +2 ev ring

>>164772341
protection from magic for sure. MR is the most important resist in the game since it prevents banishment,paralysis and hexes, all of which are incredibly,incredibly dangerous.

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>>164771078
You are absolutely correct, however i simply enjoy the combo too much, and i'd like to try my Octodragon hoarder (as >>164771503 correctly guessed, how the fuck did he remember is beyond me) in the current Trunk.

A hoard is better enjoyed when players better than you can watch LIVE and envy the mad dosh and items.

By the way, what the FUCK, there was Maurice + 3 FUCKING DRAGONS in that hall full of gold, but the treasure... MAN the treasure.
>Mask of the Dragon
>LOADS OF MONEY
>1 Scroll of acquirement
Made 4k on that floor alone probably. Time to splat this plutocratic cephalopod with draconian ambitions

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Ru came through, and the Orb run was a breeze much calmer than my Vampire Assassin win. Could this character have made a run at the extended game?

>>164772341
depends on which resists you already have

more MR is always more gooder

>>164772610
This character could absolutely have done extended, any 3 rune tabber is generally strong enough to take on pan->hells->tomb, the only real problem is torment and hellfire which give no shits about your AC/EV/SH

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found this legendary piece of shit
should i carry it just for resists?
is having 3 str bad?

>>164772963
There's no dangerous shit that absolutely requires rElec or rF this early,so the resists aren't crucial and by time you do encounter stuff that need resists, you'll have resist rings. I would just carry around some branded short blade at this stage of the game, but really a deep elf at d:4 doesn't really need anything when you have magic dart + battlesphere castable soon.

>>164771661
Yes, it works the same way: "repair" a good condition item that can be refitted (which is in the description) by applying a sewing/tailor's kit to it. I don't think the menu mentions refitting, but it does happen instead of reinforcing.

>>164771831
I gather the free version is horribly out of date as well as ASCII-only. But I couldn't get it to work, so that's where my Qud experience ended.

>>164772341
MR for all game and rPois mostly for lair

>>164772863
Thought as much, that's what did in my merfolk gladiator on his way to Tomb with 3 runes a few games ago.

>>164771831
It costs less than a movie ticket and makes a great game even more pleasant to play.

I love the exploration aspect of Caves of Qud. Caves of Qud has a huge, randomly generated world with multiple layers and different biomes. I don't know if any other roguelike does the exploration aspect as well as Qud. Feel free to suggest me some that do and I'll try them out.

The characters tend to live quite long and the game has a "story" so the game feels like an rpg.

I've never liked DCSS as it lacks both qualities I enjoy in Qud. While ToME4 nails the rpg-feel, it doesn't feel like a roguelike and the world isn't procedurally generated enough. I think I could enjoy PCB but it seems to be a huge mess compared to Qud.

I still think Qud is the best ten bucks I've ever spent but I like variation so feel free to suggest me more roguelikes I'd enjoy.

>>164772963
the danger of having low stats is that if they get somehow reduced you will get temporarily paralyzed and then get a nasty debuff that sticks around for a bit even after you get your stat back.

wearing that around will be mostly fine unless you run into something that can reduce strength

>>164774406
I miss reaching the last level of the lair as a MiBe and having brain worms giving me stat death in a few turns.
No really, I miss that vault. Killing all the worms gave me a true sense of accomplishment.

>>164773930
Lair and lair branches

You can do the branches without rPois but it's a gigantic pain in the ass

ah fuck i really wish ring mimics could use pokeballs right now

i dominated myself a level 69 old sorcerer and I want to try riding him, but he has real shitty hp and resists and im sure the second i fight a breather he'll keel over and die

so i'll just stick with my tanky af invincible archon i guess

2 runes.
Sojobo and Saint Roka in Depths 1 and 2, almost died several times.
Burning through consumables.

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>>164747117
What do you think about this one senpai? Trog just gifted it to me. The floor I'm on has entrances to Snake Lair and Swamp I think, which weapon would be more useful in those places? +7 battle axe of freezing or this one?

>>164776125
Use the ex axe retard.

>>164776125
Not him but one handed axes generally suck. A good battleaxe can last you all game if necessary unless you're speedrunning and need a exe axe instead

>>164776125
Broad axes are only good for shield users, since they're 1-handed, I would stick with the freezing battleaxe.

Also do swamp first and carry the best mace you've found currently(ctrl+f, 'mace') and use it as a switch to fight hydras.

>>164776125
wait,wait, didn't see XL 11, don't go into the branches just yet >>164776285

>>164776125
you have an executioner axe in your inventory anon

base type is much more imporant than enchantment/brand. the exe axe is probably better than both of your other axes

>>164776213
An exe axe that early is probably going to be weaker than his battleaxe

>>164776514
If he's skilling poorly, sure

>>164776637
Not that anon, but he'll be swinging the battleaxe way faster than the exec axe even if the damage is better, and he'll typically not want to go straight to axes 25 around lair since he'll want fighting/dodging/armour as well.

>>164776637
There's no urgency for him to pour monstrous amounts of xp to get the exe axe to a good delay when he's barely finishing lair

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Wow.
That.
That is an unlucky teleport.

>>164778913
that's what you get for being spritechanging trash

>>164778913
Respect your greaters you fairy cuck

So how do you IVAN now? I've seen the guide linked in the pasta but it seems most the exploits don't work anymore. Do you just startscum good stats and go to the underwater tunnel right away?

>>164780119
>respect for something not fought for
>not cuckoldry

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will i get any mileage out of this trash if i up my maces?

>>164780881
No, the base type isn't good and it'll be too expensive to divert exp away,at this point, from your core defensive/magic skills.

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should i go for swiftness or repel missiles at that point or are they useless?

>>164781561
Swiftness and repel missiles remain situationally useful for the whole game

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>>164781561
already got ozocubu's armor memorized, seemed useful as fuck, upped my AC to 20 from 9.

I'm doing a quest in UrW where I have to find some adventurer's shelter.
I have the general area, and he detailed that there -should- be a wolf and some blood in the area, but I've been searching the general area on the map for what feels like days and I can't find anything.

Is there a trick to this?

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Ouch! I just lost my right arm. Where should I look for an Ubernostrum Injector? I've already used the one I got from the quest.

>>164782117
that's the only guaranteed one AFAIK

you'll just have to hope, pray, and repeatedly check the fixed merchants in joppa + the barathrumite city

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I didn't even know negative enchantments went that low
I've Remove Curse'd the half dozen weapons and armors I was carrying and I've been forced to wear and use each of them to even hope use-IDing anything useful
Please send help

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theres a lot of amulets in that thar vault

>>164783318
jeebus

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>>164783616
vault layout is unfortunate though
i don't think i want to deal with being in LOS of multiple great wyrms at once

Where do I get burglary books in Posch beyond first one and do they even exist? Never saw any in shops, do I just pray to ring for a drop?

>>164782403
Oh well, lost my other one too. Can't really play a dual-wielding AGI character without hands. Gg.

>>164784391
Black Market, plus drops.

>>164784391
they show up in the black market rather than the bookstore

and ass with all realms, Smaug is guaranteed to drop a copy of book 3 (and Null for book 4)

the bill gates quest also seems to be a consistent source of burglary books as drops from all the theif-type enemies

>>164783987
well fuck
i was gonna hang out around the edges and pick on some of the easier rooms but some Unmakers showed up and are now digging all the great chaos wyrms out from their timeout rooms

Got a ring of speed +14 before I had to leave at least

>>164783987
>>164784959
>[WYRMD.COM]

>>164783987
that's not the nastiest of the greater vault layouts but it definitely isn't the safest. The nice thing is that a lot of the areas are straightaways, so you can get a big teleport other beam off if you aren't dead.

>>164784959
oh or that
fucking unmakers

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alright you dinksters, should i get that fucking archmagi robe?
I have a robe of resistance +1, a leather of resist fire +2 and a troll leather armour in my backpack at the moment, dunno what exactly i should have in the armour slot. a ring of MR is still lying in that shop on D4

>>164785998
get archmagi and the MR ring

>>164785998
do you need fire resist (aka without the item you have none whatsoever)?
if y wear one of the fire resist ones
if n do either archmagi or TLA

?acquirement on ring mimics seems very likely to give artifacts

reading 4 on Dragon:71 gave me Faramir and Ring of Ages

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>>164787120
>>164787267
Basically here's what i have now.
There's an artifact ring that gives rF+ and rPois in a shop nearby.

>>164787903
ok you have a ring of rF in your inventory, so you can just swap in if you need it against a fire monster

in that case go archmagi all the way

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also there's this fucking cunt sitting there and taunting me with it's unusability. i have exactly 5 str

>>164787903
You'll atleast want some MR,so get that asap. Then if you prefer spellpower get archmagi, but if you want more AC start casting in TLA/ring mail.

rPois is nice to have in swamp,which is the easiest branch after you clear dungeon, so I would get that ring if there's no significant downsides to it.

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im sure that will come in handy later

>>164787903
forgot to mention that you desperately need repel missiles, so learn it as soon as possible if it has generated so far.

http://pastebin.com/dM1yRj7q
What do? What to drop?

>kill gachapin on the angband:24 quest as a dragon
>receive two rings of archery
This seems to be a very loose definition of usable.

>>164788837
based trog coming in big with that sword, hot damn

>>164789994
Yeah, it carried my game since I got it

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>>164789994
Can confirm, based trog gave me 4 free xp levels on D2, all praise.
My DeCo died in abyss btw, i unwielded a distortion axe.

>>164790957
why does nobody ever use the correct race/class abbreviations

>>164788837
you got banished twice? top kek

Are you doing 3-runes? You can probably ditch your +1 flying boots and just use your two flight potions if need be (or ditch the potions instead, if you prefer).

Your ring of Shadows seems like straight up garbage. The Stealth boost is worthless, you don't have any Evoc to make turning Invisible a reliable/useful thing, and you probably don't want Umbra as a melee/Trog player.

Also, what the fuck, being rF- in total? I assume you're trying to do Vaults:5, and that will DEFINITELY get you killed. IMO, the Slay+4 from "Vikuplul" isn't worth rF- in the late game, especially considering you're not wearing other sources for rF+.

The lack of rN probably won't be too bad for now, but it'll become more worrisome in Zot. And I always think a melee player/Berserker should get a lot of MR+ because bad status effects and completely fuck you.

The amulet of reflection is also not as good as it seems, since it's only as good as your shield stat (thus, it's semi-useless at SH 3).

Summary:
* For the immediate future, get some motherfucking rF+ (assuming you're just doing a 3-rune run and not trying for the Tomb's rune)
* Ditch your jewelry for better shit (future tip: [un]randarts aren't always must-haves)
* Keep your eyes open for more rN+
* Another rank of MR+ wouldn't hurt, but that's just my opinion

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don't trust dem shopkeepers yall, trog will give you what you need instead

>>164792393
imagine if it was cursed

doesn't being brainless prevent you from reading scrolls?

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Fuck me senpai, why did I decide to play a polearm user this time, instead of an axe or mace user, when this baby generated? It's quite possibly the strongest 1v1 weapon in the entire game.

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t-thanks trog...

>>164792608
would've been literally useless until the very late game, though, even if you were a M&F user

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a bit fuckin mad rn honestly

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first demon whip, now this, JESUS

>>164781801
help I died

also trog gifted me a sling and six needles of sleeping

>>164791960
>you got banished twice? top kek
Low MR

>Are you doing 3-runes? You can probably ditch your +1 flying boots and just use your two flight potions if need be (or ditch the potions instead, if you prefer).
First time I got so far so yes, starting with 3 runes. So, flying is not that useful, I might drop both

>Your ring of Shadows seems like straight up garbage. The Stealth boost is worthless, you don't have any Evoc to make turning Invisible a reliable/useful thing, and you probably don't want Umbra as a melee/Trog player.
I had a ring of protection +3 before, and swapping a ring of see invis. I thought umbra was somewhat useful considering it lowers enemies acc.

>Also, what the fuck, being rF- in total? I assume you're trying to do Vaults:5, and that will DEFINITELY get you killed. IMO, the Slay+4 from "Vikuplul" isn't worth rF- in the late game, especially considering you're not wearing other sources for rF+.
>The lack of rN probably won't be too bad for now, but it'll become more worrisome in Zot. And I always think a melee player/Berserker should get a lot of MR+ because bad status effects and completely fuck you.
>The amulet of reflection is also not as good as it seems, since it's only as good as your shield stat (thus, it's semi-useless at SH 3).
Haven't found good jewelry or scrolls of acquirement.

Thanks for the post, not many other places to visit though. Maybe Abyss but the rest might be hard

>>164792446
No, it gives you a 80% penalty, been there before.

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>when the pinchy winchy is just right

>>164792608
>Not going for FUN and using it anyway

I've dropped 20 UC skill Claws 3 for the Dark Maul and didn't regret anything

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'twas a long time since i saw you last...
is buying this legendary piece of shit worth it?

>>164797996
The clarity alone trivialises all of shoals.

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mistyped in the dark, drank a potion of ambrosia instead of might to take on a bunch o dragon n hydra simulacra got confused to death

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Why can't I hold all these cloaks?

>>164800367
>wizlab at XL 13
Dark-sama how do I become as good as you, don't those only generate in vaults/elf/depths?

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does ponderous give a stat increase if you worship chei?

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>>164800613

These pokemon were just carrying my lowskill on pokebattles. I had a pocket Hydra after all

>>164803150
no it does not, but being slower will mean you gain piety faster and slouch harder

>it's a D2 kobold poisons your whole hp bar with a single curare episode

dead

anyone remeber if -Cast allows you to cast god powers or is it spells only?

>>164804085
>it's a kobold has a dagger of holy wrath in D1 and you're a mummy episode

Does curare prevent spellcasting?

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>>164808920
>it's an orb run only to die to a projectile holy dart, killing your mumo 3 tiles away from the exit

>>164808278
Pretty sure Invocations are fine.

>>164800194
>drank x instead of y
>auto inscribe your potion (ambrosia, mutation, cure mutation, degenerate) with !q so you get confirmation before drinking dangerous shit.

>>164788379
What's infuriating is when really good spells, like Ice Bolt (17d15!) or Thunder Bolt (not to be confused with Lightning Bolt) or Shoot Acid isn't allowed (even though the absorption description says that you got the power), and Berserk, which is literally worse than useless, is.

>>164815091
well pseudoelliposchengband in the latest version at least doesn't tell you that you gained powers that you can't cast

didn't actually make anything new castable, except Faramir's 4-damage pesticide activation that was already _supposed_ to be there but was bugged

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oh yeah and it also does this so your macros don't get fucked up every time you learn a new spell

>I'm suddenly aware there is no /med/icine board
Was was browsing this cancerfest and was stricken with a need I didn't know I had.

Why do we not have a board dedicated to people being hypochondriacs, and all the posters pretending to be medical residents diagnosing cancer, hiv, and polio?

Rings should give all bonuses to their hosts.
They should also get improvements to the normal ndn spells when they eat relevant jewelry; currently only spells that deal a flat amount of damage are improved by eating jewelry that has the same spell.

Where's the best place for Rings to grind, now that Heaven is gone?
Also has Lucky been improved, or is it just the general quality of item drops? I feel like magical equipment is appearing much more quickly than usual.

>>164816128
I don't think Lucky makes magical items in general appear more often

specifically it adds a bonus to your effective dlvl when generating items, and I believe it increase the chance of them becoming artifacts

>>164817083
dlvl increases quality of items, quality of items increases probability of brands/enchantments. In effect, it increases the amount of magical items.

>use Bows/arrows for one short stretch
>now Trog thinks you're the goddamn Green Arrow and can't stop gifting you extra arrows

th-thanks Trog........

Oh wow. There's a new Demon build. It seems like not too big an update, though. I think I'll play it after the fate of my current streak is fulfilled.

>>164821182
>use long swords all game
>never level anything else
>trog is gifting me nothing but crossbows
Fucking cunt.

>>164821182
>using bows
>worshipping trog
>playing DCSS
>not being outside
>not living outside
>not being a homeless caveman
>2017
fucking mibes

and of fucking course, the *first* run where I've ever found a bazaar, it's basically useless to me because I've already spent all my money on hookers--I mean, useful equipment

>>164824205
>no hookers and blackjack roguelike
The fuck have we been doing here all this time? Shame.

>>164821194
Mainly it just reduces the insane amount of currency that was the first corpse build.

I love how there's ghosts everywhere now.

>>164824942
Not until we get our tummy roguelike.

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I never knew Poschengband could emulate my Japanese animes so perfectly!

>>164821182
>2017
>still not understanding how oka/trog ammo gifts work