/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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Ohappy New Year, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's all play our best this year!

https://github.com/Floodkiller/crawl/tree/cynocephalus
please compile and test this pre-server build with a new race
+5 on all apts, skill limit of 12, 8/8/8 stats +1 stat per 5 levels, +3MR/level
doggie humanoids

other anon posted the correct procedures for doing so which i will post after a quick bath

Has anyone tested out the new wands in trunk, like wand of scattershot or whatever?

What do you think of them?

>>164245574
aren't they just the rods of iron/clouds in a new form?

How do I get good at Caves of Qud?

>>164245609
Ye, but those rods are fairly rare so it would be interesting to see if the wands are more common to find and how strong 1 charge of it is, especially since they don't recharge naturally now.

>>164245846
Are you asking how to get Caves of Gud?

>>164245574
no scattershot or inaccuracy or shadows now
all we get is wand of iron, wand of clouds

they're just their rod equivalent in easy to use wand form, limited use but effective even without skill

you'll hold on to clouds because you think to yourself that this may be useful against some really high EV monsters sometime while you get your 30-30-30 tabtabtab

and when you pause at newbie friendly 50% and contemplate your options, you'll look over your inventory and think about that wand of clouds then aa ab tabtabtab

in summary, nothing has changed except those that cared to have fun with style points swapping rods around will be playing DCSS a bit less now

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>sil 1.4 soon

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>>164245370
Happy new year! Wish you all to not splat as much, all the best and lots of good randarts!
And remember, take it easy and learn from your splats!

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What an adventure. MuEE, wanted to try faded altar for fun and got Trog. I then autoexplore into a Sif vault, get immediately confused before I can input, then eat shit for two turns before getting roasted. Happy new year.

Making my way down Vaults
otabbing fast
Sentinels pass
And I'm rune bound

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I hate d:1 mage starts so fucking much, how is this even winnable without going into unexplored terrain and waking up even more enemies.

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Alright. I'll assure you all that my next victory will not be of a dark/ice orb of power character.

>>164247767
tabbing numbly away
just tabbing my way
tabbing a way
through the dungeon

>>164249390
*o* *tab* *tab* *tab* *tab* *tab* *tab*
i'll clear this vault
*o* *tab* *tab* *tab* *tab* *tab* *tab*
and i won't fault
*o* *tab* *tab* *tab* *tab* *tab* *splat*
and now here comes salt...

>>164231472
D W A R F F O R T R E S S

>>164250043
Made by more than one guy.

>>164248456
why are there three enemies in vision at once anon
you are supposed to walk BACKWARDS when you see an enemy, not charge forwards to maximize the chances of meeting his hobgoblin and dart slug buddies

>>164250112
coded by one single dev. thays what matters

>>164250201
but that requires pressing more keys than tab

>>164250357
seriously why does tab move towards enemies by default

there are like no situations where you want to move with tab other than killing a D:1 bat that keeps fluttering out of melee range

>>164250253
Pretty sure he said in one of his posts/interviews that at least one guy other guy writes with him.

Plus, DF isn't really a good example. It has worse design than any of the roguelikes and almost-roguelikes allowed on /rlg/, including Dredmor, and all the fun comes from the game mode that is nothing like roguelikes.

Anybody have a list of DCSS monsters by speed?

>>164248456
That's not even bad.
Gnoll packs and cattleprods on D:1 for any **Wi is just fucking insta-splat.

It's annoying, but that's not even my issue with wizard starts. My issue with wizard starts is the complete lack of an AC breaker of any kind without getting lucky on books.

Replace Slow with Bolt of Magma so Wizards stop getting walled by Orc Knights/Death Yaks because they can't get a book drop worth a damn.

>>164252476
>Orc Knights/Death Yaks

evoke feet

>>164250543
it's obviously kept that way so qw can continue to function without a ridiculously massive ai overhaul

>>164230852

Not true at all. You just haven't played enough online games.

>>164245370
>>164246497
Happy new year you animeposting faggots, win a lot of real rogulikes this year.

>>164254315

I only play real roguelikes like Crawl and PCB.

>>164245982
wow Gud one

>>164245398

>skill limit

woaahh so tactical and cool!
just kidding kill yourself

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>>164253837

RLGROBIN ON CSZO

I'm insanely drunk and it's only going to get worse

be my hands, /rlg/

What's the point of the alter reality spell in *band? Does it have any use, any use at all, outside some kind of ironman game?

>>164258152
never really critical, it's a minor quality of life thing especially if you have potions or castable enlightenment so that you can hunt for vaults, but even so you can just use recall to regenerate the dungeon.

>>164256087
>being so drunk you type the wrong server

it's CBRO, you hobo

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>>164258270
you know what man

quit giving me a hard time

>>164246497
happy new year dumb akari poster

>>164258152
it gives the same effect as recalling to town and back would, so no it's not very useful unless you use the ironman option that disables town

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I will probably be asleep later, so congratulations, /rlg/!

i use everything i can at the slightest hint i can die in every rl. considered hoarding more but its just like the **** is the point for waiting for near death later if i may die now

>>164259471
>easy_lore=JUSTFUCKMYSHITUP

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Maulers are my classfu in Poschengbandu

>>164260181
truly, mauler a best

Is there any situational use I might have for a potion of ambrosia? Right now, I'm in Depths before taking on Vaults:5, and I'm pretty bulky (38 AC, decent resistances). Really scratching my head trying to think of a scenario where they'd be useful to me.

>>164261054
When you tele out of bad situation on low health and need to quickly heal before anything spots you.

>>164261054
>>164261163

aaaaand literally the next floor of Depths, my lack of rElec almost killed me, and I find myself wishing I'd kept those ambrosia potions.

Fuck.

>>164261054

You're not playing a caster or vinestalker or Chei so you never need them

>>164261054
Can you cancel the confusion with curing? I had some success with Sublimation + Regeneration for Abyss healing, but if Ambrosia can be canceled in emergencies it might be safer.

>>164261595
yes you can, but the confusion and the regen are tied together so you'll stop healing as well

ambrosia is strongest in the early game when the regen is high enough that you can just facetank enemies with it on

>>164261769
Possibly worth the inventory slot then, although I'm still not sure it's worth the additional risk. Sublimation can occasionally do 50% HP damage or so, but taking two turns to escape also seems dangerous. And I only have a limited supply of Ambrosia anyway.

>>164262072
taking two turns to escape?

you would probably just drink it while waiting for ?tele to go off in the mid to lategame. it won't heal fast enough to get you out of a sticky situation on its own

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The diggermaster's true power is not having to bother with finding stairs.

>>164252581
>can't kill them
>can't get books
>can't get xp

literally wall

>>164262342
One to unconfuse, one to escape e.g. cBlink.

>>164252476
>because they can't get a book drop worth a damn
Worship Sif, get every spell by the time you're in the endgame.

>>164262532
>cBlink
Which is impossible in the Abyss.

>>164262935

>impossible in the Abyss

what the fuck are you talking about

>>164263715
Wiki says "Blinking will always be random, regardless of source". I haven't personally checked this.

I haven't played crawl in a long time. Can you still do the deep water trick as a MfAK?

>>164263835

>wikitavernshitter in charge of playing the game

>>164262532
what? don't drink ambrosia in situations where you will need to immediately unconfuse

>>164262415
burglars and sorcery casters can create stairs too

makes Dark Cave 999999x less annoying since you can just dive to the bottom

>>164264434
If it's safe enough to do that then it's probably safe enough for Sublimation of Blood + Regen, which doesn't burn consumables and doesn't delay you for a turn while you unconfuse.

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Sometimes being an unarmed user is suffering when you get such good loot that early and can't use it.

>>164245398

>same number on all apts
>8/8/8 I r8 8/8

Call me when you finally grow a brain to intelligently design a species

>>164266702
Yaweh here. You called?

>>164264597
it restores hp much faster than the regen spell

if you have regen castable there's just about no point where you should be in a fight without it active though, and ambrosia stacks with it

again, it isn't for refilling your hp bar and going back into the fight anew, except at low levels when you have a smallish hp bar

you use the healing to buy time when you don't mind being confused but need to wait for something, usually a teleport

>>164266781
>if you have regen castable there's just about no point where you should be in a fight without it active
As a Spriggan, starvation is a real possibility. Regen makes me use 5 times as much food (proportionally bigger impact on Spriggans than any other species) so I don't like to use it all the time.

>>164267314
ok correction
>if you have regen castable and aren't playing one of the 2 things that hunger actually matters for (sp and gozag)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22zj6M3DHm8
>tfw it's finally 2011+6 for me
And then I'll be back to playing Demon.

happy new year east coast

what roguelike would Ryan Seacrest play?

>>164270137
The Binding of Isaac for sure.

>>164254770

get out

>>164270304
It was kind of pathetic to see people whining about why BOI isn't talked about here in the previous thread

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Happy new Year of the dong!

Remember, if you play roguelikes on the first of the year, you play roguelikes all year. And today is a sorcery sunday, too!
I hope you cast a lot of neat spells today and throughout the year!

>>164273225
If their game was worth discussing they'd have their own general.

>>164273481
they had one

long ago it merged with the nuclear throne general to become /lite/

/lite/ exclusively posted about Gungeon for a few weeks and then died amidst cries of "thiccccccccccc"

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>>164274253
>>164273481
>>164273225
>>164270304

Let us not have a repeat of last year's thread, shall we?

>>164274412
what happened last year, senpai?
i haven't been in /rlg/ that long

>>164274560
Horrible, horrible things my child.
Some of them were even not roguelikes! Yes, I know that might scare you, but I think everyone should know the truth.

>>164245398
>anon drowned in the shower

>>164274810

Good. A fitting end for a waste of food and oxygen.

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>>164275212

>>164275427
Man, this art looks familiar.

>>164275521
it's nobbers.

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>>164275637
>not /rlg/
missed opportunity.

>xom makes my weapon look sharp
Did this do anything or is he just havin a laugh
xom is a lot more fun than I thought he'd be

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>>164275898
Started that before even visiting this thread.

>>164276001
Xom has just made you look dull.

>>164276032
>iwtcird
>2016
isn't that the horse equivalent of posting a rage comic in 2016? I thought that meme had died years ago.

>>164276001
>Sends me to the abyss 5 seconds later
i'd like to go worship trog now thanks

>>164276126
It has already gone through that stage, slammed through the bottom and came back as a nostalgic memento.

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>>164276337
I see.

Have you ever tried ADoM? The public release version I mean.

>>164276001
doesn't that give temporary cleave?

the buff used to last for like 2000 turns for some reason

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>>164276452
Yes, but long ago — when I was choosing a roguelike to play. Why?

>>164276795
Just checking.

By the way, if anyone wants to play Pseudo-R on linux, is there any other way than emulating windows on a virtualbox? Wine doesn't work and that's as far as my expertise goes.

>>164277078
I don't even know what that is.
Can't you just use Wine?

>>164277346
Nah, I tried but the new versions are borked on linux and wine just doesn't run them.

You know what, my system downstairs just got fucked up, I'll probably install windows xp to play it or something.

>>164277432
If you give me a link to what you're trying to run — I might try it on my Mint system later.

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>>164277632
https://github.com/floatRand/pseudoposchengbandR_release

I'm on mint too. Basic gist is that floatrand compiled the game with windows and it's got some nasty problems when trying to run it and compiling on linux.

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>>164245370
Happy new year! Remember, the only place you be splatting is in Momiji's womb!

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>>164279325

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>>164273317

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tummy slaaaash!

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would you play a roguelike vr /rlg/?

>>164280828
>Naga barding

>>164280828
how does vr work with 2d ascii geimu

>>164258910
Hey im not dumb..

Taking it easy all year.

>>164280558
happy new years tummiji

Managed to finally install windows 7 and now I can play all the electic rune sword start human swordmasters I want!

>>164283309
grat

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Decent progress

wut you guys think of one way heroics? /v/ say its good but they have awful taste

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Why would anything nice ever happen.

>>164284996
Oh hey it's old spice man.
Happy new year.

Jesus I started a new cata game with max city size and max city spacing thinking it would make for something more realistic, with cities being really big but spaced out really far, but it's basically just a woodland survival game. I've been driving for miles and miles and the most civilized location I've found was the tiny town I started in.

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what a good way to start the year

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By god, it is done. It is finally done.

It's time to finally reach heaven through violence, kill the gods and topple their thrones.

Tha's a hot old lady

>>164249008
>tfw so easy to do the same thing every game

I know breh

I know

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>>164286912
She's one ANGRY old lady

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>>164281127
bardings never drop for me whenever i play naga

>>164286340
>>164287535
I should read this

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>>164288194
It's a great webcomic.

http://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/kill-six-billion-demons-chapter-1/

In Nethack, are cursed magical lamps any worse than non cursed ones? Except for rubbing for djinni wiki doesn't say anything else

>>164288536
Should be the same oi fink
Just don't wield them

>>164248456
easy, walk east until the goblin is through the doorway with you, let him wail on you for 2 turns as you step to the door and close the door, then dance around the stone in the middle of the room unitl HP/MP are back. Doors never stop being a very powerful part of the game, you can fucking haste up and door paddle Lom Lobon if you need to


this character's probably already dead anyways

>>164262478
mephitic cloud baby

or conjured flame lines and blink/imps'

gotta get creative

>>164287535
Hot and angry, nice

>>164252476
What I hate with early magic is the ''miss, miss, miss, need to regen MP'' gameplay of everything except destruction

>>164288710

Just drop cloud on poopies and u can stab them with +0 dagger resulting to tactical situations! Very interesting lmao! Most powerful spell in the game!

Cloud is broken and if you use it your a jerk

>>164286340
Are those fingers?

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Good.

what sort of character should i make in order to make death scythe work? Bloodknight? Ettin? Zombie?

>>164294210
I dont think its possible anon

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Oooh. First brand.
I got it by killing Hobbes.
This will be good against shelob.

>>164294210
Only thing that could actually do that is a blood knight of life. So, nothing unless you're playing 3.5

Are DCSS force_more_message options case sensitive?

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And I got these by slaying ubbo.
Man, that sucks.

>>164295198
rip

>>164295198
Could remove curse strip those?

>>164295278
Nope.
>>164295232
Not as bad as aggravation, which is more or less guaranteed.

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What a great spell.

Why isn't dnethack mentioned in pastebins?

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>>164295907
And that's done. Coming along well.

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Well, the earlygame is finished.
Now I just have to go kill some wyrms without immunities I guess.

>>164295198
>THE Black Blade

Is that Angband?

>>164297702
I don't know what you're talking about, anon.
Is the death sword part of tolkien lore?

>>164297785
I was meaning is the game Angband, but what you have found mine brethren is Elric's cursed sword from the Elric Saga books.

>>164297872
Ah, I guess.
Poschengband is a mix of a lot of things.

It's basically a sword that starts shitty and becomes more and more powerful the more you kill.

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Oh hey look! I killed Fafner and it lost the cowardice.

I don't think it was that much of a big deal though probably some minor -slay.

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And look at this randart unlucky coin.

Shame about the +1 radius, but I'm totally gonna use it for the resists.

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Ohayou /rlg/!

Its MS Paint anon back with some fresh hot OC in the works. Here is the 1st panel out of (probably) 3

Am I right in thinking Sublimation + Regen is more food efficient for a Spriggan than pressing 5?

Also I switched from Mottled Dragon armor to a Robe and now I have cBlink at 10%, and it does work in the Abyss so the wiki is wrong.

Grabbed yet another +9 ring of speed at a preposterous price
>>164298590
that's neat

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That was fun.

>>164298747
Regen gives me roughly 3x regen rate at 5x food cost, so only worthwhile for Abyss exploring where there's nowhere safe to rest.

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I wasn't planning on using axes for this character but that is a nice D:4 drop lol

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>tfw you steamroll everything so hard that you forget you're on a rune floor

>>164299694
yeah new ogre actually does seem sweet

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This seemed like an interesting idea:
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/05/27/cheap-handheld-rogue.html

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first time getting 3 runes and clearing Vaults:5 ever!

It wasn't nearly as bad as I expected, although that's probably because I took an escape hatch down to V:5 and ended up all the way to the left side of the room, rather than starting in the middle. My minotaur is also super fucking beefy, so that helped, too.

>>164301139
how have you not enchanted up your sword more

>>164301185
It's an artefact. I would *totally* enchant it more or switch to something better, but:

1) Vamp is godlike
2) MR++ is nothing to sneeze at, either
3) Until I cleared Vaults:5, this was *literally* the only source of rN+ I found, besides (maybe) some unidentified shop items.

>>164301139

It is bad when you're not worshiping Trog or having a vampiric weapon or landing on a lucky spot from a V:4 escape hatch.

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Alright, apparently the rune sword can lose the additional bad curses if you use *remove curse*.

Also let's see if I die.

>>164301420
huh I guess that's why qw like never uses artefact weapons that aren't arga and obsidian axe

>Some Nip made Tactics Ogre Angband

Son of a bitch, I really need to get back to practicing JP

>>164301079
>bing bang wahoo!
>What a noble sacrifice!

>>164302350
Sir, please stop splatting, you're disturbing the other passengers.

>>164302350
I understood that reference!

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Yeah, it's aggravation time.
God that's gonna bite me in the ass.

No amount of *remove curse* takes this off, so it's permanent.

>>164302528
>plane turns sharply
>potions roll out of your pocket and shatter on the floor

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how do i stop being shit at dcss?
why can't i be as good as /rlg/?
it's not fair.

>>164303435
It's not exactly hard, it's just that you have to be a pussy 24/7 or something WILL fuck you sooner or later because of the huge damage swings in crawl.

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>>164303435
Take it easy, relax, everytime youre in a situation you arent familiar with, check your inventory, the monsters and your equipment, learn from your mistakes and splats and thats all there is!

>>164303435
Literally all you have to do is not press tab unless you're adjacent to something.

>>164303435

It seems that the first crucial step is to stop faking your goddamn filename.

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Playing a different god right after winning a Makhleb game just feels so strange. I keep taking on massive packs until I realise I don't have heals on kills anymore because I'm with Okawaru.

>>164304001
Thats why you have finesse and FREE haste

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>>164303558
>>164303571
>>164303649
>>164303651
I keep dying because I always try to fight the frost giant when I come across an ice cave
Why can't I beat the fucking frost giant?
Why can't I stop trying to fight him?
Why can't I ever get an Air Elementalist going?
Why do I keep playing as a human 99% of the time?
Will I ever win a run that isn't 3 runes only?
Why did I let you guys trick me into playing a Naga that worshipped the snail guy, which gave me false hope of victory since I was quite strong but as soon as I picked up the orb I had 0 chance of making it to the exit because of how slow you move which meant that all of the powerful as fuck monstrosities got like 20 turns every time I moved a step, was I really supposed to kill them all? Fuck.

SpWi of Sif, got pretty much all the spells. I've got LCS at 8% and cBlink at 2%, both with a single pip of hunger. Earth at 16, Fire at 12, Conjuration 16. Enhancer staffs for air/earth/death/summoning. Got Swamp and Snake runes.

Currently grinding the Abyss. What level 9 should I aim for?

>>164304263
>Human

Did they fix Cata yet?

>>164304379
You mean the windows build? They reverted the PR that was causing the crashes. otherwise no

>>164304379
No, it's currently pretty much on hold because two developers who collectively made 80% of the updates (other than tiny fixes and new items) are on "vacations".

>>164304297
you don't need lvl 9 spells for 3-rune. You can win so easily now that you have reliable cblink and LCS.
Go to Abyss:3, get the rune, go to Zot and win the game.

>>164304263
>Why did I let you guys trick me into playing a Naga that worshipped the snail guy, which gave me false hope of victory since I was quite strong but as soon as I picked up the orb I had 0 chance of making it to the exit because of how slow you move which meant that all of the powerful as fuck monstrosities got like 20 turns every time I moved a step, was I really supposed to kill them all? Fuck.
An endgame naga of chei can easily kill them all. The orb run with Chei requires a lot more fighting but you're so strong that you can take down the various pan lords and fiends so easily that it doesn't even matter.

If you want to try 15-runes, be a MiFi of Makhleb.

>>164304521
But Orbs of Fire sound scary. And Abyss:1 is safer than Depths for a Spriggan and gives a lot of experience. Shatter has relatively good affinity and enhancer staff, but OoFs are flying.

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should I even attempt this?

>>164304723
If you have at least rF++ they can't touch you, especially since you can just fuck them up at range.

OoFs are hyped up as shit but pushovers if you have any fire resistance at all.


Depths can't contain anything that can hurt a spriggan with cBlink either.

If you're still scared, just get firestorm or something.

>>164304854
At XL 9? Only if you need another morgue file

>>164304854
They can 1-shot you

>>164304854
DO IT FAGGOT

>>164305008
Thanks, I can have rF+++ if I go without a staff. Firestorm seems a reasonable option for a level 9 despite the bad affinitys and lack of staff because I've already partly trained it.

Anything I need to know for the orb run? Worth digging out shorter paths between the stairs first?

>>164304854
Sure. What's the worst that could happen? They're only dragons on floor 9.

>>164305239
>Anything I need to know for the orb run? Worth digging out shorter paths between the stairs first?
definitely.

Also, teleports take longer in Zot and scrolls of blinking become uncontrolled so I'm not too sure if the cBlink spell works there too, so try it out when you get there.

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Every time I've gone to the slime pits I've died to the royal jelly. When are the devs going to remove it for being bloat so I never have to go there again?

>Just downloaded the latest trunk version
>Load up the game with the intention of playing a high elf
>No high elf available
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>164305558
High Elf was just a boring version of Deep Elf, so it was removed.

>>164305558
But you get to play as BaNe.

>>164305558
Come on anon, you knew that high elf was a bloat race. Too many people were playing & winning with it.

>>164294210
polearmmaster takes half damage while in wraithform, so maybe that

>>164305939
zombie polemaster it is then

>>164301673
those curses just came from a monster casting "cause lightmediumseriousmortal wounds and cursing" at you, not from the sword...

>>164305634
I found High Elves much more interesting than Deep Elves, personally.

died in Zot5 because i didn't cure my mutations FUCKFUCKFUCK FUCKKKKKKKKKKKK

>>164306403
if you dont quaff that cure mut, then you surely'll be kaput!

>>164306234
you could also try samurai and just use the boomerang and schockwave type powers that are based on your melee damage but don't actually make attacks

What stats do transmutors want to prioritize?

what was everyone's first roguelike? i started playing cata when it first came out, shame its kinda got to shit now, right?

>>164302632
Aggravate and Ancient Foul Curse are permanent on Rune Sword.

>>164306754
>i started playing cata when it first came out, shame its kinda got to shit now, right?
I want this meme to die
It was fun back then because you were new to it and didn't get bored with it yet. It got less shitty with time, except for occasional bigger fuckups (filthy clothing retardation, now reverted).

>>164306723
Intelligence.

>>164306754
nethack

>>164306932
well what're the biggest changes made to cata? i've looked at changes logs but i don't know how current they are. did they ever add z-levels?

>>164306754
ADOM, though I was never any good at it

>>164306754
Played some Sil and Angband before going on to DCSS which has been my main game for a LONG time.

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>>164306891
Still haven't gotten the AFC, but I'm pretty much destroying everything I'm touching.
Wild blade is crazy, man.

>>164305558
this crap is why i havent played dcss in ages

Switched pc, redownloaded it and everything I liked to play was gone. Can't be bothered finding a version with the stuff I liked.

>>164306754
I started out with Nethack but now I pretty much exclusively play Brogue.

>>164307113
>did they ever add z-levels?
Partially.
There is no z-level vision (well, it exists, but it's slow as fuck and buggy), but you can still activate z-level mode without it. Then you get shit like fires spreading from basement to houses above, being able to climb up a house (and zombies climbing to follow) and items falling off buildings.
The NPCs don't shoot through you as much, are less exploity (you don't grind favor by selling them planks), allow you to armor and arm them, help you with crafting.
Combat got reworked. Mostly objectively improved, though there are changes not everyone likes (stamina).

There are many more changes. Some fuckups, but mostly improvement.

>>164304263

>I keep dying

Perfect. Now apply that knowledge in real life.

At the risk of sounding like a moron, I'm just going to ask anyway.

I've made a macro in DCSS to simply cast a spell I have set to 'a' at an enemy but it's not working for some reason.

The macro I used is simply 'za'. What am I missing here? My spell keeps getting fired behind me for some reason.

>>164306723
don't listen to that other shitter

you are a melee otabber with a lot of xp in buff spells, is all
and transmutation melee actually scales much better with str than weapons do

as a tm you almost always want str

>>164306754
Started out with ADoM
Nowadays I hate Biskup because he's the biggest faggot out there, but I still prefer my roguelikes bloated and nethackish. Except for shit like item damage - fuck this shit.

>>164307896
I use "zaf" to cast at the first enemy in the list.

>>164308141
Thanks anon, that did the trick.

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Umm...

>>164308587
Lightning rods were made not-rods, basically evoceable from inventory.

>>164308747
and to compensate, discu of stormu was removed

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Wonder if I can take the babble trabble.
1 vs 1 I'm good, but the babble just goes around everywhere.

>>164308793
jesus fucking christ, they were a great item too

vital for noncasters in Pan

>>164309541
you probably need access to either forest creation or dimension door to 1v1 mr babble

or be a bowmaster and spam arrow of slaying i guess? that's just a ranged poison needle right?

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>>164309815
>10000 AC
I mean sure. You have a chance.
ALso, forgot the GWoP is after the fengufangu, I can't deal with that thing yet.

>>164309971
you use poison needle vs the babble

it always hits and does 1 damage regardless of AC, and has a chance to instakill on top of that

the babble only has 3d2 hitpoints so killing it with just the 1-damage needle hits ain't a big deal

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>stupidly try to teleport away from habu and die
I wish this was shown on the monster info.

Not that it would have helped my two int brain.

>>164309807
er not Pan, Zig

>>164310232
it IS shown, anon
monsters that can cast "teleport self" can follow your teleport, but are usually vulnerable to -teleportother

fun fact: the only monster in the game that both follows your teleport and resists teleother is the babble

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oh god somebody please give me a poison resist item

>>164311517
>Time: 0%
>It can touch to time.

>>164311891
Time is generally a resistance you shouldn't bother with since it is so rare.
Plus the damage caps at 150 anyway. The effects are nasty, but manageable at the levels when you start encountering them more often.

>>164311891
eh i have the stone of life so i can just restore my stats in the dungeon

>>164311972
the *breath* damage caps at 150
things with branded time attacks can do a lot more

but yeah still the point holds, it's rarely important except as a luxury

>>164310232
habu is a nasty bastard

Can I do Tomb as my 3rd rune if I'm torment immune and have rN+++, would it be safer than vaults:5 in that case?

>>164312550
Only a baddie would splat on vault 5.

You're not a baddie, are you, anon?

>>164311071
Oh.

It's actually monsters that can teleport and aren't resistant to teleport, but that makes it a lot easier.

>>164306754
nethack

>>164312659
I'm fairly comfortable with V:5, but it seems more novel to do something different for a 3rd rune for once.

>>164312142
It's also impossible to get outside of race/class bonuses with randarts only turned on, so it's not crucial by necessity.

>>164312810
huh you know, I never consciously realized it never appeared on randarts

>>164288292
It has nice art, but the story isn't anything to write home about.

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>>164313191

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Floating eye paralysis is so bullshit, doesn't even have an MR check.

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Well, that's one god dead.

I think I actually like the recent rods/wands changes in DCSS. I can actually use recharging on something other than hasting/HW and /clouds is so damn good.

>>164313848
zephyr lords are so annoying

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First time I see this.

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sick unrandart

>>164312804
>something different for a 3rd rune
Are you good at running away? The Abyss is the running away dimension, and easy for all expert cowards.

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3 scrolls of forest creation because he burned through my other ones.

>Your weapon cuts deep into it! You carve it!

I wish I could have split him in half, that would have beena memeorable screenshot.

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>>164314347
One of the uniques that I added in the game.
Basically the first form is a pushover, but second is much more threatening. Has nice amount of loot, though.
Basically you can have some control whetever you want to have a go at him, although Taisabachi's disintegration breath can ruin cover and block passages.

>>164315831
Good job!

>>164314347
>dual wielding needles?
why? use 1 + shield

if you have 1 needle it's 100% chance to hit
if you have dual wield each needle gets a flat 50% chance to hit, unaffected by your accuracy

and if you're a marilith with 6 needles, each one only has a 1/6 chance to hit

I'm put off now completely.
I was enjoying my run as a Draconian but apparently they're an easy mode race, so now I can't play my favorite race ever because I'll be labeled as a casual just because I don't want to play a fucking shitty Felid or a Mummy.

>>164317186
if it isn't mumo it's easymode

>>164306754
Magicite

>Something appears at your feet!
>Trog grants you a gift!
Oh, a weapon I might actually want to use for a change. Lets just see what it is.
>Space warps around you for a moment!
Shit. Well, I've got to switch back. What are the odds that
>You are cast into the Abyss!
Thanks Trog.

>>164316305
oh hey, that's cool

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What's your favorite monster/enemy in any roguelike? No uniques allowed.
Starcursed Mass will forever be my favorite.

How do XP sharing work for summons in DCSS 0.19.1?

easiest class for PCB?

>>164318007
Nethack cockatrice. Scary at first, and then a valuable tool.

>>164318556
It doesn't make sense that it would be in the game at all because it's a spoilery mechanic that encourages tedious gameplay.

>>164318556
summons take half the exp for a kill

>>164318797
Thanks. I thought it was shared in proportion to damage, which would make Spellforged Servitor much less good.

>>164306754
When the Amy was a little girl, she had Castle of the Winds. Didn't know those games were called "roguelikes" back then, though.

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This run has been trivial, should be one less species I have left to win barring some super retarded mistakes on the the orb run.

>>164306754
ADoM, about 5 years ago.

>>164318680
Warrior, ninja and paladin are pretty easy to get running.

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>>164306754
Rogue (not sure which version) on a Psion Series 3.

>>164318680
easy early on: basically any melee class. mauler is most fun.

easiest to win with: probably psion

>>164318935
it is shared in proportion to damage

if the summon does all the damage it takes 50% of the xp

if the summon does 50% of the damage it takes 25% of the xp

if the summon does 2% of the damage it takes 1% of the xp

>>164319887
Then Spellforged Servitor is only good for emergencies, especially if it only knows LCS and can oneshot a lot of things.

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EZ

Regarding PCB-R, I was thinking of doing small touch-up on scout. I don't think the playstyle of playing in the open doesn't really work with all summons running about, so I was thinking of giving anti-summoning features ( ex. blocking summons depending on open squares, 'rerouting enemy reinforcements'. Or banishments, dunno. )

>>164320150
Actually maybe worth using anyway if worst case is only 50%. Abyss has no shortage of XP. Damage per MP with a Servitor is more than double.

>>164320150
by the time you're casting LCS and servitor you probably are not desparate for more xp

>>164320426
Spriggans have -3 Conjuration and -1 or -2 for elemental schools, so I need more XP even at XL:27.

>>164320586
Survival before XP, personally.

>>164306754
Rogue and ADOM, simultaneously, many, many years ago. 0.9.9 gamma 9 was the newest ADOM version back then, IIRC.

>>164320748
True, especially as the Abyss spawns enough food to make starvation very unlikely even for a Spriggan.

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NOOoOoooooo!

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2dbcf0a43ec7cfad95dd55d68e8806869fbd6c8c
>Remove wands of slowing
"Along with wands of confusion they duplicate a low-level hex, and as the noticeably weaker effect are fairly unlikely to be made much use of. Removing them also helps shift wands further towards having a smaller selection of effects but with less duplication of existing spells, and there's still a pretty good range of remaining hex wand effects with confusion, paralysis, enslavement and polymorph."

Fucking hell. Slowing wands were really fucking useful for Evoc.-skilled melee users. I'm usually not too mad about removals, but this is truly shortsighted.

Alright, what weapon should I diamond coat since I can't do it on my RM42 knife. It's probably going to be for an NPC buddy since I already have the knife.

>>164322882
broadsword or katana, depending on whether you know fencing or weaboo katana magic

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>>164322453
Yet another quality addition to one of the dullest roguelikes in the history of roguelikes. Each commit by the Devil's Team and their sycophants from the Tavern as they remove assorted features has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the removal of content, the game's only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of interesting tactical situations, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Campbell vetoed the idea of Linley developing the game; he made sure the game would never be mistaken for a real roguelike that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously unprofitable cross-promotion for Tolkien books. DCSS might be anti-fun (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Nethack roguelike in its refusal of spoilers, Dwarves, and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the older versions were good though
"No!"
The gameplay is dreadful; the game was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time a developer removed a feature, the dev wrote instead that the feature "had been bloat."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Campbell's mind is so governed by optimal play and efficiency that he has no other style of developing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of DCSS by the same Edmund McMillen. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are playing DCSS at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to play The Binding of Isaac." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play DCSS you are, in fact, trained to play The Binding of Isaac.

>>164323579
Well I'd agree with that normally but like I said it will probably go to an NPC ally instead of myself, and NPCs can't learn fighting styles, no?

I was thinking something with a utility skill like zwei with wide strike or something but they take a shitload of hydrogen IIRC

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best ringwraith name?
best unique name in general?

>>164324064
DWAR
WAW

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>>164320236
Alright, scout receive a (small) buff.

>>164324730
>antisummoning
>small buff
>small
?

>>164324825
It isn't as powerful as antisummoning.
The chance is lower and heavily depends on being at open ( basically, chance for it failing is 1/(open_squares_adjancent/2 - 1), so it maxes out at 1/3, which is less impressive than the failure-rate of 1/7 of amulet.
However, it also does another roll to reroute monsters ( at same chances of failure ) to some other spot in the map, max distance being player level * 4, minimum being player level.

Well... I guess it IS a rather significant buff, but I feel like they need something like it.

>>164324730
coooool

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Shooting arrows while dazzled is just unfair. This fucking sucks.

>>164325913
>called no fault
>fault

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>>164325328
Rerouting is rather effective. Shame it loses weight if map is small.

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Bringing the Angband instadeaths to Nethack.

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>when ya gotta make some tuff decisions as a reddrgn

>>164327635
I would just keep it in the inv as a swap if you really need all those resists

>>164327635
>-2 to speed
Sell that shit if someone is willing to pay for it

>>164326639
And pushed changes ( including new win32 build ), in case someone wants to give scout a spin.
By the way, unlike the anti-summoning, the ability does NOT prevent your summons ( ex. summon kin ) - I did change formula for prevention, basically it is 5 * adjacent_open_tile ( +10 if you are level 45 or above ).

So basically at max 1/2 chance of being prevented, then 1/2 chance of placed in random spot in map.
It does stack with anti-summoning, so basically you'd then have total 1/14 chance of summons failing.

Lajatang or great mace

>>164306754
IVAN

>>164331956
iddebens

>>164331956
death scythe

>>164331956
Wyrmbane

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merry kurismasu, /rlg/~

>>164325913
Should have had Deflect Missiles.

fuck off, i'm sick of this shit. roguelikes are nothing but fucking LUCK shit. Gave it like 15 different shots on 15 different characters today. died on them all before getting to the lair.

game is pure trash. i'm out for another year until i get the stupid idea to come play this shit again, in which i'll play a few times, die, and then realize it's all luck shit all over again

>>164334823
okay see you tomorrow
get some rest

>>164334823
DCSS is anything but luck, the active best streaker,zzxc, currently has 33 wins chained one after another.

What combos are you even playing that you can't even get to lair, MuCK or something?

>>164334823
it's weird how people who get good at playing the game have so much better luck, huh?
the reason they never die before lair must just be all the karmic energy they banked after having bad luck in earlier games

>>164335053
you can die before lair on any character as long as you're stupid enough

even mibe can do it sometimes

>>164334823
I dont like DCSS but you are just a badperson

>>164335053
>What combos are you even playing that you can't even get to lair, MuCK or something?
human warper
draconian warper
naga warper

>>164335452
Warper is a fairly fiddly background, and nagas slowness is incredibly bad in the earlygame.

If you want a game where you have a simple playstyle and steamroll everything, play a minotaur fighter, or if you want to be a magic user, be a draconian conjurer, it's like MiBe for mages.

You'll want to win with straightforward combos before attempting anything that's fiddly or has some sort of niche because they require a little more finesse in earlygame.

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>Die in 3 hits to a single Gnoll from full health
Truly epic.

>>164335747
conjurer and fighter are too basic. I'd rather not play at all than be forced to play either of those

>>164336120
you are playing a WARPER
you have BLINK SPELL
when you get to low hp, why do you sit in melee range and let the enemy kill you to death instead of USING YOUR SPELLS AND/OR ITEMS TO RUN AWAY

>>164336120
>conjurer and fighter are too basic. I'd rather not play at all than be forced to play either of those
You'll have to learn the basics before you do more complicated stuff.

Also, in the situation with the gnoll: It's a speed 10 monster. This means that you can run away and it won't be able to touch you, it would only be able to follow, and then at some point, due to randomized energy, it'll lag behind which is when you can up a staircase and avoid it.

and, really, your choice of background only determines your starting tools and fighter and conjurer have very strong tools to start off with. I would only pick stuff like warper or necromancer if I specifically could benefit from them in the earlygame, like If I wanted blink on a Troll asap to avoid bad situations.

Maybe try, Troll warper if you want to try unusual combos? Ignore your other spells and get blink reliable along with training UC to 15, then train fighting,dodging.

>>164335747
Spriggan Wizard can get to Lair very easily if you're even slightly good at luring and kiting. They can clear Lair and Orcs easily too if they find some Hexes, then after that difficulty increases.

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Okay let's play a game called you guys teach me that this game isn't the most luck based shit in the world, since I've just lost multiple other characters in the past few minutes too.

Human Air Elementalist.
Currently training up nothing but Air Magic - 4.7 at the moment.
No idea when I'm supposed to stop training it.

Every time I come to an encounter that even remotely looks like I could die, I'll post a screenshot and you tell me what the best cause of action is.
I doubt that even with being babysat through this you can keep this character alive for long at all.

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>disarming: fair

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Nevermind.

>>164337986
I trust you are boltbouncing.

>>164338320
I was. Doesn't help when 6/7 shots miss and do nothing.

>>164338234
>TPs unused
>Might unquaffed
>feet unevoked