/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

first for engine dev best dev

>>164517725

kickstarter stretch goal

seriously though I think waifu/husbando bait is enough, guess ill cross that bridge when I get to it

>>164518026
get the fuck out of my thread

oops forgot the reply link

>>164517529
you have to approach it as making design decisions that make your game more interesting and enjoyable to watch and comment on. there's nothing wrong with this. "youtuber bait" (aka generic gimmicks that youtubers latch onto) is like the low hanging fruit version of this. also youtube views ain't worth shit. depending on the game/audience millions of views wouldn't get you 20 sales.

resolution: have something to show at the next demo day.

>>164518339
>depending on the game/audience millions of views wouldn't get you 20 sales.
nani?????????????

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Working on a new special attack and adding new animations.

I have a feeling that there will be broken combinations by the time I add all the attacks depending on how a player uses them.

>>164518339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4F-zdpFb9I
mentions how views dont translate into sales

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Finally got my shit together and now I'm building a proper UI/backgrounds. How does it look? Is the overall artstyle appealing?

>>164518506
Reminds me of MS

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>>164519167
yooo

>>164519167
what's the brown sphere in her belly

overall the UI style looks nice
the actual information might be too small
color scheme of the UI is very close to the BG

>>164519167
Looks nice, I think the UI could be bigger, or at least the text.

>>164519176
MS?

>>164519561
If you don't know what it is then it doesn't matter. Sorry.

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There, I started writing dialogue that would vary depending on the age of the girl. I wish I knew more about what girls of different ages talk like, since I don't really spend any time around them.

I'm still unsure about my approach for generalizing outcomes (loli responses) across multiple scenarios (player choices) though, since sometimes you'd want to go back I think. Ugh. Maybe it'll all just end up more hard-coded.

Also, should I keep track of a "conversation mood"? Or just use the loli's mood? As a way to make sure the player doesn't ramp stuff up quicker than the loli can handle - or maybe I could use both, but then you'd get bonus good points for smoothing the conversation ramp-up into lewdness (or any other mood change) rather than going straight in, even if the loli is already in a certain mood?

For mood I've got Happiness, Relaxation, Arousal (sexual), Seriousness, Anger, and Surprise as axes of mood.

>>164510437

I used to post "Sim Loli" in the subject field so people could filter me, but then 4chan removed that. I don't use a name because it sticks with posts and I don't want to annoy people by namefagging in other threads that I post on, and it was annoying to turn it on/off all the time.

>>164518624
good 'boot, anon

>>164519665
>since I don't really spend any time around them.
Thank God

>>164518026
Someone r34 this please

>>164518624
That video is specifically about the glut of 2D platformers.

>>164519665
You're a faggot and your game is shit. You should literally kill yourself you kid diddling piece of trash fake ass wannabe programmer.

>>164519665
it's okay because this is actually just westworld but with robot lolis instead of robot cowboys

>>164519665
Friendly reminder this cunt is blacklisted and gets banned on sight.

>>164519665
>Ugh.
i always knew there was something to that stat about fags being 10x more likely to be child molesters
thanks sam hyde

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>>164504372
wew think of all the art if I could see those sprites

this vile reaction you guys have when it comes to paedophiles, that's how i feel about furrys

>>164520801
this vile reaction you have when it comes to furrys, that's how i feel about you

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Is your demo going to have a tutorial, anon?

>>164520801
furrys have actual game devs at least like anubis
loli rape sim dev is just an autistic pedo who keeps toying around with his gay little engine forever with no real goal

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Anyone know a great program just for changing normals?

Fucking blender is killing me. All the little lines showing the normal directions are facing the correct way, but as soon as I import into unity they're inside out again. If I reverse the normals so they're facing the wrong way again it still happens for some ungodly reason. I just have a knack for fucking up one or two normals every time I make something.

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I'm currently working on modeling the second part of the first cave, but there's not much to show about that.

Here's some progress with the new particle assets as some Anon noted.

>captcha stopped at 97%

>>164521024
select all faces -> hit space -> "make normals consistent"

>>164520962
I like it. What are the other controls?

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Hooray got 4chan pass, I can post again. Here's some gay progress from a couple weeks ago.

Tile based lighting bullcrap
mapmaker placing tiles
saving/loading the map

>>164521138
Right now it's left stick to move, right stick to aim or swap lock targets, and L2 to "boost" in a direction. A jumps/jetpacks, B parries. X and Y are going to be melee attacks but I haven't actually implemented those yet.

Nothing at all for mouse/keyboard yet since making a completely different set is a mild hassle and I'm not sure how to actually handle aiming in that case.

>>164518026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RatZwCM-dv0&t=18s
>>164519665
Please actually die.

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>>164521421
Oops forgot to show off my ~*4chan gold*~

Here's a gamedev related picture. FUN will bind you down and keep you from moving.

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>>164521117
I love you. How the fuck has countless google searches not turned this up? I've sank hours into numerous models and aggravation trying to fix the fucking things.

>>164521056
very interesting though very unrefined
i know wip and all that shit but you need some particle finetuning before you declare them final, just saying

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>>164519347
I hope you like thicc too.

>>164519382
It's supposed to be some kind of slime core, but a lot of people think its a coconut or something so i'm probably gonna nix it.

I'll see how the UI fares against other colors of background, like a more purple dungeon.

>>164519561
Seems like the consensus is that it's a little small, I'll try to bump the text size up and re-evaluate how much space I'll need for all of the crazy attack prompts.

>>164520801
At least furries are adult degenerates.
peed fuckers need to kill themselves

>>164521703
yeah blender is weird. lots of useful things are kinda hidden, sometimes in plain sight. I use 3ds max now and I like it more despite using blender for like 6 years lol

>>164520801
>vile reaction
There are much more "vile" and appropriate reactions to pedos than posts on the internet. Little leaf boy hiding in the pines where nobody gives a shit what he's doing is just going to have to learn to cope with the big mean internet

>>164519167
Dayumn, got an artblog?

>>164520801
>this guy again using words incorrectly to bypass the filter
Keep them coming, you're just completing my list.

Faggot.

>>164521789
GOT DAMN

>>164521829
i'm not so sure man, those animals furrrys want to rape are kind of even more innocent than children in some aspects

>>164520801
I think you meant "volatile" instead of "vile"
Either way, this guy is a shitbag.

>>164520801
remember when retards like rotatedev and gogem were siding with loli rape sim to try and earn street cred on agdg?
you don't see any "devs" doing that anymore. strange

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Who forever /placeholder/ here?

>>164521789
What you have right now just seems to be resting on top of the slime shape. A core ought to be floating in the mass, right?

>>164522009
try adding ">>" to your filters. only get fresh OC

>>164522141
That was back when they were all still circle jerking eachother in IRC. Times have changed.

>>164521024
You may want to check your keyframes for the 'knee' pole targets during your walk cycle anon.

right now they (the knees) clip right through each other.

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Looking at old files for gamemaker always ends up being a good experience, albeit distracting from actually making something.

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----[ Recap ]----
Game: Throbot
Dev: Scarfdev
Tools: GM:S
Web: http://scarfdev.tumblr.com/
Holidays: candy cane
Progress:
+ starting to implement tiles i've been working on
+ working on enemy designs for nature area
-having trouble coming up with a not shitty way to handle paralax other than stretched and squashed tile layers
- redesigning the female companion AGAIN because people keep assuming she's either an older than intended or a boy
- deving has been slow this week i still haven't really stopped being sick
-sorry

>>164519561
i think he means maple story?

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Where can I find this dev's blog? Digging the art. Lurked through the archives for an hour or so, couldn't find anything and reverse image searching didn't help

>>164522617
Internet too shit, can't load pages. Have his twitter.

https://twitter.com/Coxyworthy

>>164522617
Well, I know the characters come from an artist named "Inkerton-Kun". He has a Tumblr.

>>164521927
Yeah I kinda hate it. But it's free so whatever. Thought about torrenting 3dsmax, but on the off chance I ever do release something I don't want to have to mess around with renting it for a month or whatever obscure setup they want.

>https://forum.unity3d.com/threads/horrible-2d-performance-on-my-large-tilemap.235115/
>use the toolkit on the asset store
>make your own renderer
So wait a moment here.

Even though unity is trying to push his 2D kit, what it means is that if I'm trying to make a game that uses tiles, like any other 2D fucking game, I have to roll my own renderer???

What's the fucking point of using unity for 2D then?

I need ideas for Halloween related stuff. So far I've got
>pumpkins
>bats
>ghosts and skeletons and the like
>The colors orange, black, purple, and green

>>164523167
pay for the rights to this song
loop it for the entire game

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTgFtxHhCQ0

>>164523167
Might want to look into the occult a bit. Standard witchcraft and beyond, rituals, magick, demonic/angelic summoning.

>>164521984
Not quite yet, I'll be starting a devlog pretty soon now that I've got a solid amount of art down and a UI I'm happy with.

>>164522064
THICC BE A CORNERSTONE OF ME LIFE

>>164522237
I can probably fix it, but I think I'm just going to take it out of the base slime and do variants later like a Weapon Slime or something.

>>164523010
Apparently Unity doesn't do frustum culling in the editor. If they built to a device it should have a lot better performance. The fact no one mentioned frustum culling in the posts makes me want to disregard what they said.

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If anyone is interested in checking out a post wall of every bokube level so far in development check this out;
https://www.patreon.com/ConceptionGames/posts

interested in feedback over the looks.

>>164521789
thumbnail still looks like a pair of kneeling legs and a futa horsecock

>>164523748
>https://www.patreon
subtle

>>164522420
That's just a mannequin the tutorial i was learning from had me make. I was just learning the how to's and didn't fix it up like he did.

Figure I'll use this guy as a guinea pig for setting up and learning unity. Thanks though, I hadn't noticed.

>>164522141
you dont even see devs anymore. WEIRD.

>>164521728
was planning on letting them final, but I'll note that for later too. thanks for the tip btw

>>164523818
patreon aside from twitter is now my development blog

>>164523748
kek, subtle

>>164523871
>right after a bokube post
fuck outta here

>>164523837

During the run cycle portion of that tutorial is moreso where Sebastion tweaks the knee and feet swinging out and around so that the run cycle looks good.

I feel like 70% of what I know how to do comes from all of his tutorials.

>>164522157
right here
but I 'aint upset or nuthen'
I decided years ago that art wasn't for me

Hi guys I'm making my first game in RPGMAKER! I'm going to get it in steam ? Can someone help? How do I start

>>164524368
Be good at art and get at least $100,000 on kickstarter with your good art and have someone else program it for you

>>164524454
this is the only correct answer

>>164523746
I see your point but the problem is not about frustum culling. The problem is that this answer, just like any other answers to that 2D tile issue, tells people to use a 3D rendering solution to make 2D game.

For example they're telling people to build the textures at runtime, this is counter-productive. Any 2D engine out there allows you to build your scene with a tile editor and you're good to go. You should be able to build your scene in the editor and in the worst case just apply the culling at the end.

This adds unnecessary work and I'm not even talking about the commonly tearing issue that people have with 2D tiling. And no, this last problem can be solved but is not perfect, even game with huge teams behind still have some lines appearing once in a while.

>>164524454
>have someone else program it for you
Might as well have someone do the art too. Any game dev who doesn't code is a bitch nigga.

>>164524368
>I'm making my first game in RPGMAKER
Ok. There's a general for RPG Maker games, but you're also welcome here. People will tell you every time you post that there's another general for you, though, which may be annoying.

>I'm going to get it in steam ?
Sure, if you finish. Steam isn't hard to get on any more... If you can pony up $100.

>Can someone help? How do I start
Fuck off retard. RPG Maker is easy. You start by making your goddamn game.

>>164522575
Oh I see, thanks.

>>164524624
>calm sensible advice
>calm sensible advice
>"Fuck off retard".
kekked a mighty kek

>>164523748
Visuals are pretty nostalgic for me on this one (probably because of the colors), but overall pretty cool like your other stages. Also, keep the backgrounds interesting so the game's visuals feels equilibrated.

>>164524253
Yeah I was skipping through that part since I had the base idea down. Gotta say his tutorials are some of the better ones I've seen though.

Fuck it's a lot of work getting a character to that point in blender though.

>>164517529
if it's the shitty kind of bait like "look how ridiculously bad this game is xD" then it won't really help you sell other games but like if it's a (relatively) good game like I Am Bread maybe you could release sequels and similar games

>>164525171
>look how ridiculously bad this game is xD
Nobody on youtube takes that kind of bait except Jim Sterling and even he has gotten tired of it. Thankfully.

>>164521421
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4bmjrv0f5Q

not a lot of people know this but showers are magical places where you can find solutions to problems

this is between me and you, don't tell anybody about this

>>164525424
>showers are magical places where you can find solutions to problems
yeah okay hitler

>>164525424
For me it's while shitting or driving.

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Hey fellas,
Are there any established keyboard layouts for 2D games these days? I've been using what I pulled out my ass for the longest time and it's not the best. The player is able to rebind, but I'd prefer if it didn't fucking suck by default.

My default controller setup works well enough - but I don't know what I'm doing with a keyboard layout.

pls help

>>164525384
What did you get banned for?

>>164525424
>same guy posts about shower revelations every day
you are now known as showerdev

>>164525971
>not WASD to move
utter trash

>>164525971
Well WSAD is kinda standard. I know I sure don't feel comfortable using the up/down/left/right keys for much of anything. Also probably too many years of movement being controlled by my left hand and not my right (gamepads).

>>164526326
>WASD in a 2D game
Literally no

>>164526326
>>164526410
This sums up my problem perfectly

>>164526506
doesn't WASD kinda depend if you're using like, the mouse

with a mouse, WASD is better, but if you're using ZXCV for stuff, stick to arrow keys, I reckon

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Someone suggested maybe some crazy filters or graphical effects for various locations, I don't think I like this. Hanging vines also pictured but barely visible for obvious reasons.

>>164525971
WASD if using a mouse, arrows are OK, but probably best to let the player map them

>>164525971
I would put all your main action keys on one line. e.g. A, S, D, F, G + Space. If you needed more then that then add V, B, T, R and Shift.

Using Ctrl and shift for important combat moves because the player has to be shifting their hand position all the time to use them. As a rule you want the player to be able to hit any combat move without having to shift their figure positions unless it's some sort of special action.

>>164525971
>attack and block are both pinky
why
>ctrl, shift, alt
fucking why

>>164525971
WASD with maybe CTRL, SHIFT, SPACE and ALT for immediate actions.

This allows the player to move with their middle 3 fingers and perform immediate actions with their pinky and thumb.

All action buttons that aren't immediate you can safely map to Q1234ERFVCXZ.

That's ~17 actions with one hand. Total freedom now with the mouse or you can use keys from the right side of the keyboard.

>>164526821
>>164526391
He's making a 2d game not an fps and there is no mouse, at least look at his current setup before making a suggestion.

>>164526410
Not that anon but it's how I play 2D games I give a shit about, like in my ZSNES. I move with my WASD and assign actions to my numpad.

>>164526658
That's great thank you I'll give it a whirl

>>164527058
Alright cheers guys I'll give WASD a whirl as well and see what people prefer

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Codename Gordon was one of the first WASD 2D games and did very well. I think it was the shooters on newgrounds.com that took it from there, it's still a common scheme.

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How would you go about incorporating a Jack-o-lantern face into the design of this sword without just attaching a Jack-o-lantern?

>>164525971
WASD with JKL and the arrow keys with ZXC are the standards for a few games. Check out Peach's Untold Adventure if you need more ideas. They've got life four different control schemes.

>>164526996
>>164526410
explain yourselves

>>164524562
And also, let me add that the commonly accepted answer in the unity forum is to suggest people to buy a tile solution from the asset store, either Tile Tool 2D, SpriteTile or some other shit.

This is totally unacceptable and I don't understand why people are satisfied with that 'solution'.

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>>164527492
Purists. They think all 2D games should play like Jill of the Jungle.

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Working on getting a simple menu for Demo Day.

>>164527676
I haven't played a 2D game without a controller since jazz jackrabbit

>>164527252
None of this fucking matters because anyone who doesn't change their keybinds upon first launching a game is a retard, but WASD is a default choice for movement for a 2D (platforming?) action game that doesn't involve the mouse. Using the arrow keys for up/down/left/right frees up the left hand to use all sorts of shit, whereas WASD for movement means the player will either be left using the right side of the alphabetical keys, which is awkwardly close to where their left hand already is, or they'll be using the arrow keys and numpad for actions, both of which offer fewer options for easily accessible actions than using the left side of the alphabetical keys + ctrl, space, etc.

I just booted up Vagante and Valdis Story and both use arrow keys for movement by default.

>>164527526
You can make 2D in Unity fine, assuming you know what you're doing in the first place to make changes needed, but most people can't. I'm pretty sure someone has a deal not to talk about how to do things yourself for a couple of those solutions so popular assets get bought, because a lot of questions you can find examples and solutions easily, but a couple of things are always "buy this."

>>164527749
even with a controller, the movement is usually on the left hand, so i don't see the problem with using WASD

>>164525971
>>164527442
Oh, and spacebar is often used for different things, but it's a pretty solid constant in most games.

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Took the time this evening to set up something similar to the ASK System from Wild Arms 3 in which the player can press a button during dialogue when prompted via highlighted text for alternate dialogue. Figure it'll be good for assisting in having various text from NPCs that'll help with world building and information if the player wishes to explore it rather than forcing them.

>>164527752
Of course I omitted a word that changed the entire meaning of the sentence.

>but WASD is a *BAD* default choice for movement for a 2D (platforming?) action game

Does anyone know a world generating heightmap tool that can be distributed with the game itself so players can create their own maps at runtime?

Looking for something like Rust or even Minecraft for example although I know those were made in house.

I'd like to chime in that I'm glad you're still around and still making your game. Even though I think there is almost zero market for your game and most people would react with revulsion, you are at least pursuing your vision and making a game.

>>164527526
The unity rogue like tutorial is tile based and has no issues, you might have to god forbid learn to make a tile game in a way that isn't shitty. The people you're seeing in the forum are an example of devs too thick to change how they do things who are then easily sold on asset store solutions which any real dev can resolve on their own. It shouldn't be surprising that most people attempting to make games suck at learning and they give eachother awful advice on the internet.

>>164527974
Why can't you make one for your game? And put it in the game?

>>164528045 meant for lolisim dev >>164519665

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>>164527894
There aren't enough games with Unity-chan.

What's with the blurriness of everything?

>>164528104
because the people in these threads are not programmers
so they have to have a copy+paste or drag'n'drop solution to their problem

>>164528219
I'm incompetent and haven't done any proper recording with OBS + Xmedia to make WebMs. I'll figure it out eventually.

>>164527831
>You can make 2D in Unity fine
But the amount of additional work to get a tilemap around is bullshit and I'm just triggered that nobody seems to give a shit about that fact on the official board just because
>b-but asset store.

>>164528065
I agree that if you know what you're doing you can make it. I'm just pissed that you have to do all that unnecessary work when unity should be the one giving you a tool for that.
They shouldn't go around telling people that unity is fine for 2D when there are issues that big around. This is just bullshit.

Anyway I'll stop the rant.

But this is bullshit.

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trading off sleep for enemy tweaks.

>>164528374
You're right, it should have tools for basic features like that if they want to call it suitable for 2D, and they showed off tools like that months/years ago before suddenly shutting up about it, that's why I'm sure there's something else going on.

>>164527676
>>164527749
Kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyTD6obROeM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7NIIbq_Qwk

>>164526996
To me WSAD feels a lot more natural than Up/Down/Left/Right. So many other games use it that my hand naturally falls there and I've spent most of my life using gamepads that control left and right off of the left hand.

>>164525045
Thanks for the feedback senpai. Is the game nostalgic for you with like what generation of games? Iv been trying hard to get it at least to be gamecube/like in terms of graphical polish.

>>164528374
>I'm just triggered that nobody seems to give a shit about that fact on the official board
I hate to break it to you but the official boards are full of noobs. I've been deving with Unity for years and find most of the answers I need for anything without issue but you'll always bump into problems for which only nooblets have even attempted to find a solution, and they'll often tell eachother to take the easiest route. I rarely come across these problems, but then again I'm not a 2Dfag.

>>164527442
I wouldn't. I'd make the face appear during a special attack or sonething

>>164521593
>>164520731
>>164520572
>>164520356
When did /agdg/ get full of people like this? I leave for a few years only to come back and see this. Were we taken over by SJWs?

>>164528229
You're not even a Unity dev, cuck. Sit down.

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I wasn't sure if I needed collision between characters but now I'm sure.

I'm going to make dashing let you go through enemies but normally you'll collide with them. In older demos dashing wouldn't let you go through them.

>>164529116
>If you don't condone pedophilia you must be a SJW
Retard

>>164529238
That sounds pretty optimal, if you were just passing through enemies combos would be much weirder to do. Making it a dash that passes through enemies is absolutely sublime.

Now add in some teleports.

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>>164529238
Beautiful. Unity wins again.

>>164529261

not witch-hunting is not the same as condoning

>>164529238
A confused look and question mark above the maid head would have been perfect. I love that kind of bug.

For collisions though I'd say be careful with that. For most of my beat'em up I've noticed that having a hard collision can actually get in the way of the gameplay. Most of the time you don't notice because the player natively gets pushed back on hit by the promixity damage hitbox.

>>164529545
implying you don't know that he's using C++

>>164529545
He doesn't even use Unity.

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Changed settings that aren't applied are now reverted when the user exits their respective menu.

>>164529587
>if you don't coddle me as a pedophile and encourage me polluting your hobby with garbage you're a witch hunting SJW
Fine. Nobody cares. Kill yourself.

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>>164529261
>video game
>pedophilia

>not going fucking insane over it and wishing the person dead
>condoning

So I guess it really is full of SJWs now. Sad. I wonder what about game development environments that invites these types of people.

Is there a starting for absolute beginners pastebin you guys had?

>>164525997

I'm not the anon who posted (>>164521421). I just posted a video of a game that reminded me of anon's. Unless there is another way to determine if I was banned. I don't remember being banned.

>>164519665
I like your game, please continue devving it

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ok done, images added

I'm officially indie

>>164529647
>>164529654
I know. I typed C++ but my computer auto-completed it with Unity.

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>>164529871

>>164529116
Dipshit, anybody with common sense doesn't condone peedfucks

>>164529747
>I wonder what about game development environments that invites these types of people.
other environments have alpha males and other normies that laugh them out
in this environment, the sjws can successfully strongarm everyone else

>>164529238
you should team up with the box guy. he can do the gameplay while you do the art.

>>164529116
>>164529587
>>164529747
Go back to crying on cuckchan about how oppressive 4chan is ya silly chomo

>>164529705
Your game officially has a more robust settings menu than many AAA games have.

>>164529859
nice. i think it'd be better to add "do" "it" "now" in whole words instead of letter by letter

>>164529871
I interpreted it as a joke like "see the C++ engine? Unity doesn't have enemies fly away!"

Your answer is more horrifying.

>>164530038
He's using C++. He knows how to code.

>>164530110
oh yeah, I didn't think of that. I can add a special character to subtract delay

>>164529410
>if you were just passing through enemies combos would be much weirder to do
They are, can't really control them when hitting because everything's moving around.
>spoiler
Wait till I get to the second meido, totally stealing Dante's trickster teleports.

>>164529545
I'm actually a C++ enginedev.

>>164529647
>Most of the time you don't notice because the player natively gets pushed back on hit by the promixity damage hitbox.
Yes, I've tried different things such as no collision (terrible control), hard collisions, just pushback/separation from the hit and I think that hard collision + dash to go through will be the perfect balance. It's nice to get close to enemies while walking and not go through them.

>>164530123
cool but maybe he wants to finish his game sometimes soon

>>164530065
Nah I'll stay here thanks

>>164528454
Don't stay up too late! You have to sleep for dev energy.
That enemy is nice. Looks like he's been doing some cocaine or something, though, poor guy is all jittery.

>>164528104
>>164528229

I am a competent programmer but terrain generation is a solved problem and I don't really want the re-invent the wheel if there is good solution available.

>>164530065

I am only one of those posts

seems you've run into the unfortunate position of having an opinion that other people don't agree with. good luck resolving this inwardly

>>164530215
Exactly, C++ wins again. Oh did I spell Unity? My computer is kind of acting up lately I don't know what that's about

Go team C++!

>>164530221
The only thing holding me back from finishing this game is art and animations, not the gameplay/programming.
Me joining the box guy would end up with the same results, I'm slow as shit at art.

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>>164530215
>Wait till I get to the second meido, totally stealing Dante's trickster teleports.

>>164530293
I can address multiple chomos with a use of the singular 'chomo'

Deal with it

>>164530215
I don't necessarily agree with you but if that works for your game then it's all that matters.

>>164530542
You need to play more good action games.

>>164530369
imagine if you could focus all your time and effort onto drawing cute anime maids tho

>>164530674
the engine devving sounds more interesting and worthwhile

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Comfy jam idea guy here:
You pilot a transport airship in a fantasy world. You have to travel between various cities and ports selling and buying goods. The prices of various items will raise and lower differently in each city.

It could be in a 2D mode7 style, or 3D if you're ambitious.

>>164530542
I don't think there's a perfect solution for all games, it just depends. I think this feels right and I don't think I've gotten complaints in previous demos so it seems fine.

I personally always hated how classic beat em ups worked with positioning vertically and collisions.

>>164530674
animaidens

>>164530769
>You have to travel between various cities and ports selling and buying goods. The prices of various items will raise and lower differently in each city.
meh
I've seen this game a dozen times already

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made meme faces for basic enemy. they get emotional and try to ram you if they see you kill an ally. i think i will also make them sometimes start crying for no reason, or cry and run away if they decide they can't kill you

>>164530674
I burn out from drawing a lot anon, I'd hate doing that only.
Programming is way more fun than art will ever be.

>>164530776
Like I've said I just disagree, it doesn't mean that you're wrong. No problem anon.
I've just been there and done that too, we've just reached a different conclusion.

>>164530896
That's great anon!

>>164531005
kek

>>164531005
at least it's less played out than pixel platformer, I guess

>>164530916
Amazing.

>>164530962
I feel that way too, even if I haven't done straight up C++ in ages. Making something like a game or engine feels much more tangible and rewarding than just art.

>>164530769
Needs something more to make it feel more airship-y so it doesn't feel like a worse Patrician 3. Some sort of mechanic involving weather patterns and air currents maybe along with rival ships/air pirates.

>>164530769
Is comfy jam confirmed to be happening?

>>164531380
weather could be pretty neat. Maybe a town will have a rough storm near it making it impossible to deliver goods there.
I wanted the idea to avoid combat, since many games have combat, it might be nice to get away from that for a comfy jam. But if anyone takes up the idea they can do as they please.

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>>164530916
How does this work?

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>>164531318
Art sucks, it also hurts my hand after a few hours.
I've dug into c, c++ and even assembly, it's amazing how much there is to learn and all the cool things you can do, I never get bored.
What language are you using right now anon?

>>164531590
BLENDTREES?

>>164531504
Yes, it's happening a week or so after Demo Day 12.

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>>164530769
I've played this game

>>164531590
its blend shapes

>>164531578
I don't do jams since I'm dirt slow at making things, but I rather like the idea as well. Currently I'm doing a beat em up sidescroller as my beginner learning project though.

Could do something like preferring to ride air currents (sliding along them?) and collect lighting for power Stardust style.

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>>164531590
>>164531831

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Which huge boss type do you prefer in horizontal 2D games?

A) Massive head/body in the background and its limbs or projectiles pop out to hit you in the foreground

B) Boss that's 2x/3x as big as you but walking on the foreground like your character

If you ask me the amount of you I'd get from drawing cute maids would definitely be worth the effort.

>>164532085
B

>>164532085
C) Boss that's the same size as you

>>164532140
>If you ask me the amount of you I'd get
What did he mean by this?

>>164531645
C# with Unity because I just want to actually make a game again and get it out there, not to mention it's friendly for multiplatform. I avoid just using premade shit from other people so I can make enough stuff I actually want. At the same time I still get bogged down with learning/experimenting like "I could do this, ooh or this, ooh or this, ooh or that" and it was even worse using things like C++ or Java because literally everything was something I could tweak.

>>164532085
while huge background boss is cool visually, it usually boils down to a "floating head and hands" boss which are done to death even more so than the phrase done to death, so i'd say B.

>>164532074
God that interface looks so much less cluttered and more functional than Blenders.

I don't think the program is terrible, but everything is buried in different places or relies on keybindings.

>>164532440
Blender UI is like a "programmer UI" I guess. Zbrush has a similar problem. Both are great programs though

>>164532440
Blender is terrible, though. Like GIMP, they decided to completely ignore all advances in their respective tools and just randomly pick things that suited the programmer with no regard to how an artist might actually use the program. It's capable of producing quality work, it's just 10 times harder than it has to be.

>>164532404
I'm not getting into C++ because starting now means that you probably will have to reivent all the freaking necessary wheels to make a game :
-understand and remake the game loop system to fit your needs
-understand and remake an input system to fit your needs
-understand and remake a rendering system to fit your needs
-probably more basic things that need to be done
-i'm not even starting about making tools

All of this is ton of work and that's just to get you barely started.

>>164532404
I get you, I said it before to Anons that if I wanted to make a game ASAP and not worry about the engine coding I'd have definitely jumped ship to Unity by now since it reaches a bunch of platforms and C# is comfy. Of course it's not like it does 100% of the work for you, just makes it easier to focus on gameplay aspects than technical details like just creating a window, so you still have work to do.

It's true about tweaking when you don't use an engine, you get a lot of control and freedom, too much sometimes but it's also fun to learn and design if you have the time.

>>164532140
I'd rather make my own games though. I didn't spend years grinding art to do art for the game of others, I did it for myself since I already knew how to code and I wanted to make things.
If you meant to say "amount of money", I think the best way to do that is with a porn game and I could easily do that on my own if I was better at drawing lewd.
I'm still considering making a lewd game for money eventually, I can't believe monster girl island went from like 1k to 10k now.

>>164532978
Don't you mean like 13k? It's bananas.

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>>164533086
I was wrong, it went up again and he's nearly at 20k.
God damn.

>>164532978
Unlike him I have faith that you will finish your game though.

This dev is just going to sleep on his patreon money, I would hardly call him a dev at this point.

>>164533156
Fuck me, I should start making monstergirl/furry porn games.

>>164533156
>per
>fucking
>month
what the fucking fuck
jesus

>>164532423
>>164532316
B it is, I could only thing of floating heads and arms anyways so I'm better off with that

>>164532357
Most of the bosses are same size, I just feel like it's an unwritten rule to have at least one huge boss in action games.

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>>164533303
Tfw this guy is making more than soldiers, life saving doctors and professional scientists just for making a monster girl porn game.

>>164532768
How easy is it to pick up a torrent autodesk and than just pay for a few months before you release? Any catches like versions so out of date it fucks you?

friendly reminder not to clone other games even if you like them because halfway through you'll give up when you realize it'll never be as good as the original

>>164533607
Story of my life. I've never had a single original thought.

>>164533557
it's probably possible but if your game makes any kind of profits worth noticing there's a decent chance they will know and you'll have to give them all your money

>>164533190
Thank you, but to be fair I think most would sleep on their money if they were making that much a month.

any sight on three dimensional trigonometric equations?
like, if i wanted to generate things in a two dimension circle, i could do something like:

float magnitude = Random(0 to 2pi)
position.x = cos(magnitude)
position.y = sin(magnitude)

how would i do this if i wanted to generate them in a sphere?

>>164532832
At some point I'd like to make a C++ engine and make some games with it, it's just unbelievably nice to not have to worry about core things and still be able to publish to just about anything compared to pretty much being PC only unless I jump through a ton of hoops.

I also have a track record of getting caught up in extremely stupid ideas and experiments like 3D when I was using gamemaker for some courses.

>>164533552
his art is incredibly average, so I don't know how he hit it that big other than filling a niche market at the exact right time, probably when monster musume was getting popular

>>164533892
sorry, i meant

float angle = Random(0 to 2pi)
float magnitude = Random (0 to 1) <-- circle has radius of 1
position.x = cos(angle) * magnitude
position.y = sin(angle) * magnitude

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A game that implements evolution and the enemies you fight grow different limbs and new behaviour/intelligence to adapt to how you're killing them. Starts from bacteria.

>>164533982
If only the art quality mattered. It doesn't for furries

>>164519167
>level 69
ok

>>164533892
any vector of length radius + the coordinates of your sphere?

>>164533892
you would probably use polar coordinates

>>164533820
I hear ya.

>>164533892
>>164534000
You literally just answered your own question? Just normalize the value if you them to be perfectly on the circle.

>>164533802
Damn. I don't mind spending some money on a program, but fuck subscriptions or several thousand dollar programs. And I'm just learning this stuff as a hobby although with a dream of releasing something.

Just sick of the uphill battle that is learning Blender. I keep forgetting things I've learned just because it's so buried or stuck in illogical places in their UI.

>>164519665
I hate your game, please stop devving it immediately and never post again

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>>164534040
>A game that implements evolution

>>164533913
>and still be able to publish to just about anything compared to pretty much being PC
is this something people still think about?
I haven't heard a single person discuss putting their game on xbox live or whatever the fuck the playstation thing is called in forever

>>164533913
Having used SFML in the past, there was really not that much hoops to go through if you just wanted to make a basic cross platform 2D engine.
I wrote code on Windows then compiled on linux without issues. I think it will be supporting mobile too eventually but I'm not interested in mobile.
But of course it's never going to be as convenient as engines where you just make something and press a button to make builds for everything.
Good luck with whatever you're doing anon.
It's all about your goals and how much time you're willing to invest in it.

>>164534123
well as long as you don't make anything you intend to sell in a pirated version, it's probably fine. you could learn for a year and then buy the real version when it's time to make stuff for your game. that's basically the equivalent of getting a student/educational license (you can't use models from student version in commercial version)

>>164534108
>You literally just answered your own question? Just normalize the value if you them to be perfectly on the circle.
You didnt understand my question

>>164534083
how would i generate a 3d vector of a specific length

>>164534089
hmm?

>>164534302
>(you can't use models from student version in commercial version)
That's pretty bullshit. I'll keep plugging away with Blender I guess, my dev process is insanely slow since I work a full time job and only get up the energy to work on stuff during my weekends usually. During the week I play vidya or browse /v while half asleep after work.

>>164534414
>how would i generate a 3d vector of a specific length
just pick a random direction in 3d space
then normalize the vector and then multiply by the distance you want to go

>>164534123
Steganography is some crazy shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography

>>164534414
create ANY vector, normalise it, scale it by desired radius, add that vector the the position of your sphere

http://www.fundza.com/vectors/normalize/

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What should I add to my game for demo day? Not sure what to do until I can get feedback

>>164534241
Just use neural networks :^)

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I'm sorry, but I'm so fucking proud of myself right now.

>>164534539
>>164534578
>length = sqrt((ax * ax) + (ay * ay) + (az * az))
thanks, that helps

>>164534681
i'm also proud of you, good job friend

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Made a snake

Managed to get it down to 210 tris!
I had to triangulate it all to achieve it, so UV unwrapping and texturing was hell, but I think it came out nicely in the end.

Animation could also prove difficult with so few polygons, but this is just an enemy, so it won't need to move as much as the player character.

>>164534526
when you've got the best tool in the industry by leagues (and you buy all the competition) you get to do whatever you want

they give out the student version for free like crack and then cut you off once you graduate and make you pay because the alternative would be to go back smoking cigarettes where you have to roll the tobacco yourself with scrap paper you have lying around

>>164534559
Is that just a cute way of saying I should take notes? But I do, I've got a notebook I'm filling with shit. Doesn't mean it's in any sort of order since I learn random things constantly, or that I don't describe them poorly sometimes, or that my handwriting is unreadable in the worst places.

More importantly I keep stealing pages for other things.

>>164534681
which meme language is that?

What happened to that AGDG 3d platformer with the cube guy and the crabs?

>>164534779
cute snek

>>164534779
>snake
more like lamia

>>164534880
plz don't interact with the functional fellows

>>164534779
dood looks nice.

>>164535053
I want to know because
I want to finally decide on one to try

>>164534921
Thanks

>>164534946
Lamias are half-snakes, aren't they?

>>164535081
Thanks, Anon!

>>164535165
>Lamias are half-snakes, aren't they?
yeah
and that model has a neck and arms and hands and a chest, so
it's a half snake

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>>164534778
thanks babe!

>>164534880
Rust. its comfy in a teeth-grittingly precise way.

>>164535330
Okay, well lamias fit better with the theme (player character is a gryphon), so that's nice

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When shia convinces you to do things, juss doo itt.

Not sure if stop here or open it up and model the inners+cervix.

Now driving offroad, destination: unknown.

>>164535518
it was your subconscious modelling it the whole time
next make a centaur or minotaur and you'll have a sick theme going

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>>164535598
softbody physics, now.

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I hope you like to sit on chunky pixel purple dick chairs.

>>164535760
Probably!

Will try something like that next

What are some other cool mythological creatures?

>>164535867
there's a whole bunch of egyptian halfanimal people like anubis
there's more from the greek like cerberus and unicorns a'course
and there's some absolutely crazy shit from the bible like half-lion people with 50 eyes and shit like that

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Is it possible to come up with good lore for a fantasy and/or cyber game if you have no idea how history really works beyond what /pol/ and public education has taught me?

>>164534839
Meant to reply to these two posts:
>>164533557
>>164533802

>>164536062
Yeah, I've already read up on some biblical shit, and those monsters (/angels) are absolutely crazy!
Would love to try making some of those directly based on descriptions, without seeing any illustrations at all.

>Anubis
Not sure I want to go down that path just now

>>164536108
all you really have to do for a fake history is do a skim of real history and come up with a valid chain of events in your world
real history is just a chain of events connected afterwards by historians anyways

>>164536108

Yes, as long as you have a realistic understanding of how humans react to things, and portray realistic ambitions and motivations.

I've accidentally mimicked real historical events I knew nothing about plenty of times by just following a logical progression based on human nature.

>>164536108
>history of the world, as told by /pol/
fund it

Let's say that I want to take a small break from my game and make some fun multiplayer demo for DD, what would you guys play?

>work on your game
Needs art and really don't want to do that right now.

>>164536271
leviathan

>>164536108
I'd think you'd be able to make better lore because you see everything as a conspiracy which ties together the jews and the government in no fewer than 15 steps

>>164529747
Go back to 12chan, faggot

>>164536365
Isn't that literally just a whale?
And also fucking gigantic?

>>164536108
world building, there's lots of info about it. Creating realistic world maps, civilizations and their histories, religions, even languages.

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>he LITERALLY made this and LITERALLY thought it was fit to post

Lol. Just fucking lol. Fucking pedophile.

>>164536430
it's a FISF

>>164536430
Yeah or just a sea beast of some sort, I have some spare leviathan laying around somewhere.

>>164536486
Looks like a decent Tony Hawk level

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Made a ton of progress on a menu for Demo Day. None of this is written in a way that I'm particularly proud, but UI and menus have always tripped me up because I have a hard time writing in such a way that's not hardcoded to hell.

Both control options are setting the right things, but the controls don't correctly use the dead zone at the moment. This one is pretty important because I've noticed that the Xbone controller has significantly less deadzone than my old 360 controller and small deadzone feel good.

I also exposed the option to change how the stick controls the ship. Each has advantages and disadvantages so it's good to have options.

All of this is held together by spit and duct tape. I want to get this menu stuff out of the way so I can spend the rest of the time until DD working on polishing features for DD.

>>164535396
>//satan lives here
But anon, that comment is redundant because you already wrote "unsafe"

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>>164534262
Mobile is still generally a nightmare from what I've seen, and while I would like to do a larger PC game, the option to include touch controls and code it to not take 5gb of memory to run and be able to include mobile as an option is nice.

>>164534270
Yeah, it's honestly not THAT bad anymore which is why I still want to do it in the future. I'm doing the space/planet exploration game which is probably going to be mobile and PC, depending on what features and depth I put in.

>>164522157
Feel like shit for using other game's music but music honestly makes everything feel so much better while in the dev process. Hopefully I can replace it with stuff that has the same tone/vibe/feeling as the placeholders because they really do fit

>>164536685
ah, yeah if you want to go mobile you pretty much have to use some engine or framework
it's not realistic to do that solo unless you literally only want to target the newest model of android/iphone

>>164534882
Blockhead's Blunder?

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>>164536621
clarity is important

that said, its a very expressive language

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I started working on the battle system for this game.

>>164537358
oh ignore the shitty enemy distribution please. actually ignore the shitty everything it'll get better. probably.

>>164537358
I'll ignore shitty test stuff, but I have no clue what's happening here at all.

>>164537358
I have zero clue what is supposed to be happening.

>>164537558
>>164537658

It's just the battle screen popping up. The battles all take place on that grid with everything represented by a single character (kind of like a roguelike). Nothing else is really going on, except for that one NPC who's taking a jog and having a seizure at the same time.

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Is art not considered progress here or was that just a meme?

>>164536486
Why is there never any logic to these source maps? They look like something made by someone tripping on dramamine. Zero design sense.

>>164537816
art is the only thing considered progress here.

>>164537816
The ONLY progress I post these days is when I work on art assets

>>164537816
Anything that makes your game better than it was yesterday is considered progress.

>>164537816
Just post it.
Art is the only thing that gets views on social media anyways.

>>164525971
Just force the user to set the keybinds on first start.

>>164532810
>you need to finish the input system, renderer, and tools in order to start working on gameplay
No.

>>164539031
As I said earlier, I agree with the sentiment that anyone playing a game for the first time should be looking at and setting their own keybinds.

That said, I imagine people would manage to be petty enough to bitch about "how long the first time startup is" and how "I just want to get straight into the game and the dev is wasting my time because he can't come up with good default keybinds". The fact that I've ever seen people complain about keybinds at all in games with rebindable keys is mildly infuriating.

>>164537336
If you're going to comment your unsafes, you should be documenting the conditions you are ensuring to guarantee that it's still safe (unless they are clearly visible as assertions or whatever).

>>164535396
I just wish Rust had higher kinded polymorphism. I actually fucking need it.

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>>164539318
Default to something you find comfortable but offer re-binds. As long as the defaults aren't 100% god-awful it's hard to complain about controls that are customizable.

>>164539419
>>164537336
How do I go from C++ to Rust?

>>164539031
This is an awful idea.

Not even taking into account that nobody wants to go through effort in order to start a game, a first-time player would have no idea how the game plays so any keybind setting would be a shot in the dark. A good default is necessary

>>164539701
https://doc.rust-lang.org/stable/book/
If you've got experience with manual memory management and threading it should all pretty much click right away. Otherwise it'll come with practice. It's not a big deal if you're not having to make safe APIs for unsafe code anyways, the compiler is pretty good at telling you what you've done wrong.

>>164539973
What are the benefits of using it over C++ for someone like an AGDG dev?

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>>164536486

>>164540093
If you like static verification and/or functional programming but don't mind poor library support, you'll love Rust and never want to go back to C++. It's also got a great build system/package manager.

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>when the shitfix is in but the problem is deep
Damn it Epic, fix your shit even when it's not required for your core FPS development, no one cares about your generic shooter #10005

>>164540461
3d modeling is impossible

>>164540461
2d looks better and is more fun to make

>>164540306
> but don't mind poor library support,
>Rust does not yet include random number functionality in its standard library.
You weren't kidding, I know the next line says there's a crate for it but it's silly not to have something like rand already.

I'll check it out, who knows maybe I'll like it.

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>>164540461
>tfw too intelligent to care about quantity of spatial dimensions

>>164540793
They're pretty anal about what they stabilize in their standard library, as they should be. If something obvious is missing from it, it probably means they haven't decided on a suitable way to integrate it yet.

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>>164540836
>too intelligent

>>164540936
What do you mean by suitable, since they still offered it but externally? Is there anything wrong with it?
Also is anything like SFML ported to Rust? Just something quick to play around with graphics.

>>164540093
proudanon here, for me it's:

+ No language-level implicit conversions between...anything. No "magic".
+ Undefined behaviour is a bug
+ That wonderful feeling when (most of) my references/pointers are known to be memory safe
+ Macros that actually don't make my eyes bleed
+ Setting up a dev environment is trivial

- No controller input library yet afaik
- The design of Traits is of questionable usefulness
- by extension, Generics are of questionable usefulness
- everything related to the real benefits of Traits and Generics is of half baked feature completeness
- interacting with the 'community' requires mozilla code of conduct cancer

~ functional-ish programming methods. I don't use the things. for loops are godly.

All in all, I use it like a sane-by-default C with namespaces, methods, and operator overloading. A better language can exist, but until then there's Rust.

any scientists in here

>>164540461
but i'm

>>164541404
yeah
I'm a computer scientist

>>164541309
>- interacting with the 'community' requires mozilla code of conduct cancer
>look it up on google
>second paragraph is Diversity and Inclusion
Damn it tumblr.

>>164540793
>>164540936
By poor library support I was more talking about libraries geared towards game development, anyways.

>>164541254
>What do you mean by suitable, since they still offered it but externally?
I dunno, the Rust team does maintain a lot of their own crates while keeping them out of the stdlib. Couldn't tell you precisely why.

>Also is anything like SFML ported to Rust? Just something quick to play around with graphics.
If you want something quick, there's Piston, which is pure Rust. Of course there are bindings to things like SFML and SDL but I'm not sure about the quality.

>>164541309
>- The design of Traits is of questionable usefulness
>- by extension, Generics are of questionable usefulness
>- everything related to the real benefits of Traits and Generics is of half baked feature completeness
You're gonna need to elaborate. As it should, Rust favours static dispatch over dynamic dispatch.

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>tfw you've been working on a game for months, then decide to radically change direction to appease to the masses

>>164541309
(cont)

compared to C++, it's strictness has some comfiness downsides:

- Can only overload methods with the same parameter count. a.foo(b) and a.foo(b, c) is illegal. You'd have to imitate it with a tuple. Ick.

- Overloading requires writing a trait, which is like 3x more typing than a dumb method.

- Lack of exposed control over hardware stuff, like SSE and cpu floating point mode. Among other things, this means no deterministic floats, for you lockstep-networking devs. (I wrote a fixed point math library for this, took 8 months, god damnit.)

>>164541561
They got publicly assfucked when one of their higher ups was caught donating money to some politically unpalatable cause, so that paragraph is probably their reactionary CYA "we're totally on the level we luv the trannies and nigs guys" maneuver.

>>164540463
>not making your own engine
lol cuck

and the difficulty of making a game engine is overrated, especially if it's specific to a game and not a general-purpose engine, of course it looks hard when it's just a magical black box to you, but when you actually have programming experience and you're an above-average programmer you'll realize how easy it actually is

>>164541651
>You're gonna need to elaborate
It seems like they tried to make everything different from C++ to be more "unique," but all they could think of was changing the names of random features. So there's technically OOP with objects and interfaces but they don't call them that because they removed inheritance.

I want to work towards learning enough to make a single, simple game on my own that I hopefully manage to polish well enough to release on Steam.

What game engine would you guys recommend and would you recommend 2D or 3D?

I'm a pretty fucking slow learner, but I do have basic programming experience. Although, I'd like to avoid programming as much as possible, at least in the beginning, because I would really focus my initial learning and early work on my first game on the game design first, worry about programming second, and then figure out the art last.