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The previous thread and the current are one: >>163064090

>A google doc with basic information. If you're new to Bloodborne and /bbg/ READ THIS FIRST BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sItpr6PHpoEiFbtFIBtPO4UNeNEpxuztHteANTJRHDU/edit#heading=h.od90ylbez0rz

>Patch 1.09 Info
http://www.jp.playstation.com/op/bloodborne/news/2015/12/update109.html

>Accessing the DLC
http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/09/the-old-hunters.html
Note: If the eye isn't showing up, go to: Settings > Playstation Network/Account Management > Restore Licenses

>Co-Op & PvP
http://www.bloodbell.com/
Official PvP Chalice: hizzngr3 (Pthumeru Root)
/bbg/ Fight Club:
Pthumeru - n6rc9jh8
Loran - jjpkdcgd
Isz - 9v8qndas
(every Saturday 6pm EST, general rules:http://imgur.com/1RjNbF4)

>Resources Pastebin - Planners, Calculators, Spreadsheets, Stats Info, Where to go next in BB, Guide Scans & Wikis
http://pastebin.com/aNR8TXUr

>Chalice Pastebin - General Info, Glyphs for Gems, Best Gems Setups, Multiplayer & Speedrunning
http://pastebin.com/489M5NBv

>Media Pastebin - OSTs, Concept Art & Screenshots
http://pastebin.com/t8byCxfj

>Beasthood & Claws Info
http://pastebin.com/jnbs35ZX

>Wheel, Fight Club, Arc 101 & other Misc. Info
http://ssjnugget.imgur.com

>Bloodborne Damage Calculations and Formulas
http://pastebin.com/YnRRZPMp
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PURGE FILTH
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W H E E L
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2nd layer: a whole lot of anti-personnel traps
got a deep sea rune from the bonus chest
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THIS IS AN EXECUTIONER THREAD

NO VILEBLOODS ALLOWED
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>>163206134
Ol' Ben goes where he pleases.
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Is the beast cutter or whirligig good for an arc build? Thinking of going 70 arc and meeting the minimum reqs
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>>163206414
Whirligig is great with full fire setup, Cutter is ok.
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>threaded cane for pvp

is it viable? My skill build is starting to get a move on, it'll definitely be ready for the next FC (or the one in two weeks.) I don't want to be like every other shitter using the blades of mercy or rakuyo as I don't really like them as weapons. Threaded cane in pve is a lot of fun, and I'd imagine the whip mode would catch a lot of people off guard seeing as the threaded cane hunter always gives me a hard time. Just something about the whip form is hard to track when it's coming at you. Despite this I don't think I've ever seen anyone in a FC using it. Thoughts?
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oh FUCK he sniped us with that cannon
reringing
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>>163206701
https://mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/20797

here's what I'd be going for by SL98 btw. 15 arc for old hunter bone / roar spam, 27.2% physical gems on both cane and pick.
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Tips for fighting Ludwig with only ten vit and a +5 Saw Spear? I'm out of Beast Blood Pellets and his horsey panic move kills me instantly.
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>>163207368
The real question is why only 10 vit and +5 spear on ludwig.
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>>163207471
Because I have a habit of upgrading my damage stats before touching vit and this build was going to use the Moonlight Sword.
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>>163207368
How dead is he when kills you? If you can, dump your insight as low as you feel comfortable for more beasthood buildup. Saw spear is kind of shit for building beasthood tho desu. His second phase is easier than his first, his capacity to one shot you goes through the roof though.
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>>163207714
Like I said, I'm out of Beast Blood Pellets. I'd spend insight on them if I could, but they aren't for sale.

Saw Spear works fine for wracking up beasthood, the trick attacks give you a ton.

I've only gotten him to phase two once, and he killed me in one hit about two seconds afterward.
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>>163207869
Stay in the middle of the room, give him a wide berth. Consider using plank shield (lel (using a shield (scrub)))

>>163205819
VILEBLOOD WHEEL?

VILEBLOOD DEAL
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What is the best chance I have in the 70 range to one shot people?

Cannon with high blt + bone marrow ash direct shots?
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>>163206228
Where'd you get that look, friend
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Ah shit
Ringing
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oh fuck my bad
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It's funnier with sound
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thanks a lot segalt, that was fun
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anyone can help with maria?
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>>163209010
I'll try.
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>>163208942
Thanks for having me. Had an absolute blast
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>>163209010
>>163209049
What's your password, by the way?
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>>163209049
thx
bbg
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>>163206701
>>163206960
Every weapon is viable, and the Threaded Cane is a nice weapon for PvP. Start with Cruel Fate so you have 5 Blt instead of 7, there's no reason to ever start as Professional. Blade of Mercy isn't a shitter weapon like Rakuyo unless you dash-r1 spam, which isn't too hard to handle. Not as bad as Wheel dash-r1 spam. 10 Blt for Reiter is good too, I'd take some points outta End or Vit to use it if ya want.
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Do I have to "die" to the lesser amygdala every time I want to access the DLC?
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>>163212151
no theres a gravestone next to the insight merchant
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>>163212253
Thanks, I've been doing it the way I mentioned for 9 times now.
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>>163208835
post it on >>wsg
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>>163212323
Anon you poor sod. Open your eyes.
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Bros, I need help and suck at this game. I can get Rom down to like 30% and then he rapes me.

Pass is rg655m. Any help is much appreciated.
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>>163213508
Which Rom?
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>>163213951
Vacuous Spider.
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>>163214054
jej
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>>163214054
I meant story rom or chalice rom, but I'm assuming story rom since you seem to be new. On my way.
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Yo, I've bought a PS4 and Bloodborne not even a week ago without PS+, If I activate those 2 free days of PS+ will anyone help with Ludwig? I'm LVL.90 on NG.
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>>163214147
Thanks anon.
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>>163214193
Lordy lord just summon Valtr. You're at a perfectly fine level to be doing Ludwig, anyways.
Or, get a serrated weapon (tricked Whirligig, Saw Spear, untricked Cleaver etc.), put some Fire Paper on, and pop a Beast Blood Pellet.
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>>163214193
Sure thing mang, you know how multiplayer works in BB?
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>>163214147
Thanks anon. You messed that spider up real good.
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>>163214417
I'm suppoused to use the bell?
>>163214402
I've used over 217 Blood Vials.
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>>163214494
You're not going to survive Orphan.
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I would love to enlist the help of two strapping lads to venture into the well and retrieve the Rakuyo. Anyone interested? I'm gonna clear the whole level, bit you can blank out after we get the Rakuyo if you want. Ringing at the first lamp. Pass:

bbg
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>>163214610
Probably not.
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>>163214494
Set connection to world wide
Set up a password, any will do. Tell the threat what the password is.
Tell where you are ringing from ( the lamp or near the boss fog )
>>163214661
omw
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>>163214708
Which Bell?
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>>163214494
>I'm suppoused to use the bell?

Here's what you do:
>options button
>system
>network
>matching regions - worldwide
>password - anything you want

Once you've set a password, post it here for me and ring your Beckoning Bell inside the Nightmare Church or a Ludwig's fog, I'll use the same pass, we'l; get connected in a minutr
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>>163214708
NVM, password is bbg I'm in front of the fog.
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>>163214868
Beckoning bell
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>>163214708
>>163214964
I am. >>163214998
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>>163214661
Damn I hope you got the last one, wasn't expecting the grab attack to come out that quickly or do so much damage
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>>163214998
>>163215112
Ringing!
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>>163215184
That grab is nasty. Got em! Thanks for the help! Gonna do the rest of the level if you're bored.
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>>163215292
Sure I'll hop in after I'm done helping with ludwig
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>>163211803
Perfect, thanks. I'll probably end up using that build except with 10 in str/blt so I can use the church pick and reiter to mix things up occasionally, seeing as I can do that and still be able to have 50 vit / 50 skl at bl98.

It's pretty fun so far, I've never really used the cane extensively (even on my pure arc build I found another weapon to substitute it) and it's a lot more versatile than I remember it being. Currently have it +9 and I'm in the yahurgal village. Probably going to make it through to nightmare of mensis tomorrow to grab the rock/string, grab the loran/isz chalice, and then I should have everything to rush through the CDs in another day or two.

You guys were right, it's a lot faster your third or fourth time through the game. I kind of expected it to be more of a slog but I'm more or less just running past all the levels just to fight the boss and progress to the next one.
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Thanks, I was having a real hard time with him. Are any of you up for Abhorrrent Beast in Loran L3?
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>>163215528
yeah
pw?
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>>163215737
bbg, I'll be there in a few mins.
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>>163215528
I'll come along too, I hate that fuck
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>>163215737
>>163215829
Alright, ringing.
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>Got pushed off the edge
Have no clue why I didn't see that coming
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>>163215784
>>163215948
I forgot to ring the bell, kek
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>>163216208
Italian all good. I got zapped and one shotted. Ringing again, but no pressure. I know this area is tedious.
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>>163216350
I'm coming in via SRRC, so it may take a minute, the other anon might be, too, so don't fret if it takes a few minutes linger, SRRC is notorious for it
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>>163216527
Don't worry
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>>163216486
switching characters. getting bored of my arc character
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Thanks, he was another one that I was stuck on.
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>Whirlgsaw
I am pretty sure this weapon is cheating when it come to PvE
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So is this game pretty much Demon Souls for goth kids?
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>>163217150
Yeah, we all like Nine Inch Nails (the band), and the colour purple (cool kind not the gay kind)
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>>163217150
Demon's Souls is for goth kids too.
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I'll be doing Defiled Pthumeru, if anyone is up let me know, I'm the same anon from Ludwig and Abhorrent Beast.
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>>163216679
I am getting severe input lag
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>>163217437
okay ringing again
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>>163217676
Ringing.
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>One shot by OoK
What.
That was weird, that attack shouldn't be doing that much damage
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>NG+5
>Ludwig
>Stake Driver +10
>Fire Paper

Fuck that was the easiest phase 2 ever. Literally just stood in front of him spamming tricked R1s. Interrupted both the radial AOE and the big overhead fuck you. Didn't even need to visceral and killed him in one stamina bar.
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>>163217676
I'm on the 2nd lamp.
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I need some tips for OoK
I'm alright with his first phase but I just get rekt halfway through the second. I'm using a +10 Logarius' wheel with 25str/50arc
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LMAO, what the actual fuck?
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>>163216967
Glad to help!

>>163217115
Oh it's absolutely cheating, yeah
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>>163218236
So I should go back to using Ludwig's holy blade?
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>>163217906
Damn, I got YEEAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOW'd toward the end.

Ringing for OOK at the fog for anyone interested. Pass:

bbg
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>>163218568
Samefag from going through the level earlier, omw
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Sorry, I'm not helping much, I'm not that good, and thanks. I'll be ringing again in a few mins.
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>>163218568
fog?
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Well damn. Why do I suck so much more in MP than soloing.
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>>163218723
>>163218834
Thanks, guys!
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I've spent almost two hours trying to kill hotdog for that early 10% fire gem in my arcane build. I have no more vials and just redoing the battle until hopefully I get it once. Ringing if anyone wants to help. Pass is bbg.
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How do I make the Kos Parasite good? I'm a level 79 with 26 Arcane, and it's doing paltry damage.
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>>163219703
What level? Just started a new character on Sunday and I'm around BL48
>>163219805
You need more arcane. 26 is pitiful. Aim for 50, and then look for suitable arc gems, like a 27.2%, a 23.1%, and a cold abyssal.
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>>163219703
Which chalice/layer is that? I've for them all opened but can't remember specific boss locations.
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>>163218514
Whirli is maximum fun just wrecking fools, Ludwig's has a reputation for being a boring weapon, but if you like it, go for it
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>>163219868
>aim for 50
where the bell am I going to get all those echoes
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>>163219868
>>163219892
Level 23 the very first chalice you get from bsb.

I'm only having trouble because I dumped all my levels into arcane and I have only base vitality.
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>>163219937
I have been using Ludwig's weapon since I got it. Kirkhammer before. What is a fun weapon to use for a strength build
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>>163220001
Just run through some chalice dungeons. Ailing Loran Layer 1 is a good starting location for early echo farming. But, FRCs will have you drowning in blood echoes--more than you'll ever need.
>>163220020
Alright, I'll stop by, anon.
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>>163220118
Switching then heading there.
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>>163220173
Ringing at the fog or the lamp?
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I'm ringing at Defiled Pthumeru L2 Lamp.
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Anyone need help?
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>>163220450
Thanks senpai, now I can continue my arcane playthrough.

>tfw all this work and it's not even 10%
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>>163220682
>having trouble with hotdog
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>>163220103
Kirk, Cuttah, Amy Arm, Boomhammer, Stake, HMS, Wheel, Beast Claw, Axe, Saws. If you got 25 Skill you can use Skill/Quality weapons with a Heavy Abyssal like Burial Blade, Church Pick and Saif effectively.
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>>163221080
Still on my first playthrough so I don't have access to all the weapons you mentioned. I do want to try the Burial Blade tho
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>>163220103
If you mean the Holy Moonlight Sword, that's a Strength/Arcane weapon. Untricked is strength, tricked is arc. For a strength build, you'd be using the untricked form, which is perfectly good and has a good charged R2, but it sucks not being able to use half a weapon.

If you meant Ludwig's Holy Blade, it's very utilitarian, in my opinion. It's fine, but it's just a greatsword in a game full of crazier stuff. I'd recommend the Whirligig Saw for sure, the Hunter's Axe can be great with it's very wide and heavy hitting tricked mode, Beast Cutter makes up for lacklustre damage with insane range, there's the good old Saw Cleaver which has a very expansive moveset when tricked, plus it's untricked R1s are spammable and can stunlock enemies. You were using the Kirk, too, which is fun as hell for smashing. Try out these weapons and see which one feels good to you.
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>>163220915
That's what I deserve for not dumping any points into vitality.
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>>163221363
If you don't have the DLC, you should definitely get it, a ton of great weapons are to be found in it, Whirli, Amy Arm, Boomhammer are all DLC weapons.
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>>163221505
I don't have the Moonlight great sword yet. I started with the Saw Cleaver -> KirkHammer -> Stake Driver -> Ludwig Holy Blade. Just got the Whirligig Saw and i am fucking steamrolling everything it seems. Beast Cutter looks like it will be fun when exploring but not during boss fights due to how slow it is. I will give Hunter's axe a try.
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>Ebrietas uses her head as a club
>The Living Failures use their heads like clubs
>Rom uses her head like a club
>The Celestial Emmissaries can use their heads like clubs
>The untricked Kosiflower charge attack let's the Hunter use their head like a club
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>>163221363
Just remember that Burial Blade is mainly a Skill weapon (don't pay attention to the Arc on it, it scales horribly just like the Blade of Mercy's and Amy Arm's). So to use it on a Strength build effectively you'll want a Heavy Abyssal, which requires finishing dungeons and farming FRC Headless Blood-letting Beast. Most people hate farming him. That's if you want to be fully maxed out for PvP, for PvE any Physical gems on the Blade is fine. The best version is Uncanny if you do plan on finishing dungeons and farming high-end gems.
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>>163222102
I am playing mainly on PvE right now since I don't have PS plus at the moment. Do I have to remake an Arc build if I want to use the moonlight great sword. That might be my build my next run.
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>>163222395
Nah, HMS is pretty flexible. It can be used on a Strength build with little to no Arc or a Str/Arc build (16/12/50 Str/Skl/Arc isn't great but it's still usable). For Str/Arc you'll want 20-25 Strength and 50 Arc with Nourishing gems. But since you don't got PS+, farming those gems will take much, much longer since you'll have to create your own dungeons with the hopes of certain enemies spawning to farm. It's easier on a Strength build if you just use Physical gems. It requires 14 Arcane to wield.
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>>163222679
Hmm. What level should I be when I take on the old hunter DLC. I just finished Forbidden Woods and I went to nightmare Frontier to beat Amy. Currently at the first area of the old hunter DLC and I have to say it is pretty tough. Currently at 62 SL
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>>163222926
Im lvl 43 and im at living failures shit is tough but people usually recommend going in the dlc at BL 70-80
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Ringing at Defiled Pthumeru L2 lamp, pass is bbg.
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>>163222926
Recommended level is 65+, but as long as you got at least 30 Vit and a +6-9 weapon you'll do okay. You can pick up decent gems from the first few dungeons that'll help with damage.
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>tfw doing the dlc made me overleveled for my first fight with the moon pressance
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>>163223074
>>163223193
Sounds great. I will continue doing the DLC then. I hope it won't over power me when I am done with it and just squash the rest of the game.
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>>163223421
DLC is pretty much the toughest part of the game besides FRC dungeons so if you manage to beat it solo you'll squash the rest of the game. There's 22.3% Phys droplets dropped by Winter Lanterns near the end, they're the best Phys gems aside from dungeon gems.
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>>163223210
MP is already piss easy regardless
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>>163223713
A little dissapointing desu
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>>163223604
So I should nope out of the DLC till I beat the main game? Can I still continue playing my game if I beat the final boss or will it force me to go NG+
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>>163221769
Conclusive evidence that all those eyes made those idiots extremely thick-headed. No wonder why they all went mad.
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>>163222679
>But since you don't got PS+, farming those gems will take much, much longer
In my experience, Nourishing gems are some of the easiest to farm without using glyphs because Amygdala is such a common boss in FRC.

>>163223864
Beating the final boss sends you immediately to NG+, there's no option to stay like DaS2/3. You should clear the whole game before DLC, but if you kill the second boss of the Nightmare of Mensis before doing the DLC you'll miss out on some dialogue.
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>>163223864
Last required boss won't push you into NG+, you'll probably know when it'll push you into NG+. There's 2 optional last bosses depending on certain requirements. Best way to know when it's near the end is when the Doll tells you that Gerhaman wants to speak to you.

Just do the DLC whenever, I usually tackle it early and if it gets too tough go back to the main game until I feel ready.
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>>163223185
Anyone?
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>>163224464
I'll be there if ya still need help.
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why does the workshop get set on fire after you kill the wet nurse?
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>>163224393
>>163224416
So clear the DLC before I beat the 2nd boss for the nightmare of Mensis?

Speaking of Gerhamn, the old dude has been missing from my game since I beat the Vicar
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>>163224974
You can beat Wet Nurse, just don't talk to G man until you've done the DLC and whatever else you need. He's probably chilling at the back of the workshop near the Messenger Hat bath.
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>>163224780
Getting there now.
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>>163224780
Ringing.
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>>163224780
Fuck, ringing.
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>>163225786
It's alright, ringing again
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>>163225213
>You can beat Wet Nurse
If you beat Wet Nurse and the dream is on fire, you miss out on the new dialogue from the doll when you defeat Maria/Orphan.
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>>163225213
>He's probably chilling at the back of the workshop near the Messenger Hat bath.
But he is not? I will check again.
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>>163225845
Jesus
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I didn't expect papa G to kick my ass in NG+
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>>163205675
Just beat these guys in NG+. Same result as main game: 1 death, then a win. I still don't quite get why everyone thinks they're that hard. Dark Souls II had far worse cases of having to manage multiple enemies at once. Now if the blood vial animation was slower I could see them being annoying.
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>>163226354
>I still don't quite get why everyone thinks they're that hard.
Who is everyone?
Never heard anybody say this.
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>>163208835
Why does this tend to happen in chalice dungeons which have a set layout? You'd think enemies getting stuck in the walls and the like would be a feature of randomly generated ones but not set layout ones since they can be tested for.
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>>163226094
Sometimes he's there, sometimes not.
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>>163208835
Don't fuck with him, anon. He's building up speed.
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Lost Session Arcane, ringing again
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>>163226467
Guess I paid too much attention to /v/ soon after release.
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>>163225845
Internet fucked up.
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>>163226354
Same. But I fucked up the first time because I went for the fire throwing dude first. That was a mistake. Killing the most aggressive katana dude first makes the fight so much more easier.
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>>163226598
Are there parallel universes iOh wait it's confirmed there are.
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>>163226579
So if he isn't in the workshop or at the stump. Where is he?
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>>163226854
No one knows. He's either in the workshop, out back, or gone. He comes and goes.
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>>163226598
>tfw building up speed for 12 hours to reach a parallel chalice dungeon where Guidance 3 exists
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>>163224946
Some of you were alright, don't go to the hunter's dream tommorow
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>>163226731
Still ringing?
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>>163227774
Fuck my life, why is he so hard? Sorry for being worthless.
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What build is the best for quickly smashing through story/chalice dungeons for gem farming.
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>>163226735
Really? I always go for the fire guy, then katana guy, then the one that spits fire, but they do transform quickly, and the last guy summoning snakes is kind of annoying.
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>>163228392
Just go for the head, it's easy to bait and slap. Don't summon Queen Killer, he's pretty ass against Hotdog.
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>>163228471
Didn't know.
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>>163228414
Anything that uses a Saw.
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>>163228541
It's alright, ringing again. That charge attack can be a little fucky
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>>163228785
I bought over 300 Blood Vials for this Chalice and I think I'm already running out.
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>>163228785
I love you, no joke at all. Thanks.
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>>163229196
No prob, good luck with the next boss ;)
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The guide for arcane doesn't lay it out enough for me.

Cleaver > Spear > +9 spear > +10 kos parasite?

What do I use to farm arcane gems for the parasite though?
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>>163229350
Don't bother with the arcane guide, it's written by a shitter desu
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>>163229295
Yeah, I'm guessing I'm going to be demolished.
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>>163229350
It frightens me that people want to go arcane. Seems like it's guaranteed to be weaker than just a strength or quality build
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>>163229350
The Saw Spear?
Seriously, anon. Just use the same weapon you used to get the Parasite. It's not rocket science.
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>>163229350
You can get a free Saw Spear from the sewers, just run for it and pick up a Cane or Axe. The +9 Saw Spear will carry you through most of the game. Early fire gems for almost everything, Lighthouse Bolt gems for fire-resistant enemies like Hotdog and Laurence if you wanna fight him. Physical gems, BB pellets and Bolt Paper for Pthumeru Hotdogs to get those early fire Radials. Even with base Str/Skl, Winter Lantern droplets will do okay damage when paired with BB Pellets and Papers.
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>>163229548
What makes you think that?
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>>163228436
The fire guy has the easiest attacks to dodge even in sneks mode. Going for him afterwards always makes the fight more easier.
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>>163229548
Arc builds usually do more damage than normal builds at 50 Arc if you farm the gems, and you can also use the tools and pump more points into health.
Also you can go pure 99 Arc and rek chumps with the absurd damage on the tools
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>>163229685
the fact that you have very limited weapon selection, the base damage on the parasite is low so everything relies on the scaling, the fact that it eats your covenant slot too
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>>163229841
Could someone go 99 str or 99 skl and wreck fools with that?
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>>163229942
Not that I know of, Arcane tools have the same scaling from level 70-99 as 1-50, but this is not the case for weapons so this doesn't apply to Strength or Skill
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Was the one reborn literally the easiest boss in the game?
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>>163229845
>the fact that you have very limited weapon selection,
Not at all, considering that you can just slot Cold Abyssals onto physical damage weapons and call it a day. You really only have to worry about the minimum requirements, and how many levels you'd have to drop to meet them. It's up to you if it's worth going 20 skill just to use an elemental Rakuyo, but the option is there regardless.
> the base damage on the parasite is low so everything relies on the scaling
Yet it has incredibly high damage modifiers to balance it out. Not sure what your argument is here. The AR tends to be low, but the modifiers compensate. The Kos Parasite isn't the only weapon
>the fact that it eats your covenant slot too
Again, the KP isn't the only arc weapon, and covenants aren't very significant in Bloodborne.
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>>163229350
Here's a better Arcane guide
>start as Str
>steamroll whole game with Kirkhammer/LHB/Axe
>start investing in Arc once you have 50 Str and MLGS/Wheel
>start thinking about infusing weapons with elemental damage once you've done a billion chalices and have a bunch of cold gems
>make a Fire Saw Spear, a Lightning Church Pick, an Arcane Saif, whatever

>>163229841
>rek chumps with the absurd damage on the tools
It's really not that absurd. If you want to cheese bosses by backpedaling and spamming projectiles, use Bowblade, it's far more fun.
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>>163230228
You have to waste the time grinding out the cold abyssals first though. Without that you only have KP.

Executioners covenant with increased blood healing seems to be objectively the best bonus, so I park on that and never leave
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>>163230294
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17tmcuxmi_Ibh-rLSwO_7AFedTUbruJhpHD2o9LxAYOI/edit#gid=0
Looks pretty good to me
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>>163230294
>Arc guide
>50 strength

???
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>>163229942
No, a damage stat at 50 gives 85% of damage for weapons. 99 Arc is for Tools, which scale better past 50. Nothing scales as well for Str/Skl. 50/50 hits pretty hard for most Phys weapons though.
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>>163230535
Radiance is only like 11 HP per vial
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>>163230535
The Radiance Rune gives like a 1% bonus for vials, it's not really noticeable. Milkweed ups Item Discovery 9-10 points, not much but sounds better than Radiance.
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>>163230127
No, that award falls to the Hemwick Witches. TOR can be hard if you have literally never leveled vit, like if you're doing a BL4 run. Witches can never be a challenge, and if they ever even were, you can just drop all your insight and negate them to a game of hide and seek.
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Anyone want to help a fellow hunter out with Ludwig? I've killed him plenty of times on my own, I just want my Moonlight Sword for this build. I'm BL53, I'll be ringing with password bbgmoon.

Word of warning, I only have ten vit.
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>>163231521
Ringing at the fog, that is.
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>>163231521
Be there in a minute
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Is there a lore reason for Ludwig resembling a horse? We don't see any other beasts take a form like that.
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>>163231978
Thanks a million dude, I've been hitting my head against him for too long now.

TIME FOR MOONLIGHT
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This man will be my pure Strength build with Kekhammer in mind.
What should I name him?
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>>163232874
Claire
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>>163229685
Cute ayy lmaos in that art
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>>163232314
Horses are noble beasts, Ludwig was a noble man. The Moonlight Sword helped make his transformation worsen, so maybe it affected him turning into a horse too. There's no real solid evidence as to why he's a horse.
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>>163233068
Good call on the noble aspect, didn't think of it like that.
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>>163233068
on this note: is dark beast paarl a cat?
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what's a good place to invade at BL 98?
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>>163234509
Mergo's Loft: Middle, Nightmare Frontier. FCs are every Saturday.
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Me again, Defiled Pthumeru Amygdala anyone? She isn't hard per se but when she takes out her hands she JUST me. Pass is bbg.
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>>163234868
>She
>Her

This meme needs to die.

Real advice, when he arms himself, stand right under his crotch and he'll likely do a jump. Position yourself right at the end of his tail and he'll land right over you, and you can get free charge R2s on his big dumb head.
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>>163234969
Do you know from where >>>"her" names comes from? Yes, her. And thanks.
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>>163234868
>She
>>163234969
>He

>2016
>Assuming gender
baka desu senpai
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I haven been able to join bbg fc's for a really long time because of life, i really miss you guys, you are the best , i wish i could play bb way more that i do now
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>>163234238
Who knows, the humanoid skull makes it hard to tell. The movements are fluid like a cat's but mimic a Scourge beast's, which seem more canine.
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>>163234969
Amygdala's preferred pronouns are xi, xim, and xis.
Please respect xis lifestyle
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>>163235078
Amygdala is all but explicitly referred to as male. Patches calls him Lord rather than Lady, and when you talk to him in the ecture Building he up and says, and I quote, "My apologies, but I feel a profound thought occuring... On the good grace of a certain god, and how he meted out his love."

I mean, sure, Great Ones and alien biology and concepts of gender et cetera, but even then calling Amygdala a gril is still blatantly false.
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Cranston sucks
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>>163234868
*clears throat*
Have you beaten HER yet, anon? SHE's one of my favorite fights.
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>>163235504
Even the Church doesn't understand the Great Ones, what makes you think they aren't just assuming her gender? You can call her what you want but Yes, straight from Wikipedia "Amygdala Shown in research to perform a primary role in the processing of memory, decision-making, and emotional reactions. The medial nucleus is involved in the sense of smell and pheromone". That convinces me to think its a female.
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>>163235750
No. And mine too, right after Martyr and Ebrietas.
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>>163234969
I noticed that if you don't move, sometimes she doesnt hit you either
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It doesn't have genitals you retards. Gender is a social construct, no biological sex = no gender
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>>163235962
>It doesn't have genitals you retards
She does in my chinese cartoon porn.
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>>163235792
>tfw male and don't have an amygdala
At least I have two hippocampuses
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Alright Tumblr that is enough. Fucking knock it off.
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>>163235876
If you still want help I'll boot up
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>>163236087
I didn't implied that.
>>163235750
I'm ringing where Queen Killer is.
>>163236134
Thanks. ^
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>>163236035
Panda link
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So the only way to get invaded in this is by using the bells to do coop or invade? Aside from the couple nightmare areas where the maidens are
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>>163236217
I'm at my phone ATM, and it wasn't even on Panda, I can't remember if it was r34 or some other chinese site.
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>>163236161
I'm gonna SRRC so if you'd move over towards the Lamp I'd appreciate it.

>>163236264
Yep.
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Amygdala is pretty difficult. Xis 3rd phase is scary
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>>163236325
Alright.
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>>163236264
Yes, you can blank out your bell and you'll probably get invaded as long as the maiden rings. Most likely not since anyone rarely invades outside of Nightmares and Twink areas.
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>>163236406
Coolio. If I'm not there in 45-60 seconds Blank and re-ring. Moving through zones can fuck up the connectivity sometimes.

>>163236347
>
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God damn I didn't realize how short this game was. Shit ramps up and then ends out of nowhere it feels like.
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Farming rom for nourishing gems if anyone wants in
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>>163236553
I got an Inka
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>>163236625
That's me
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>want to keep playing my lvl 100 main character
>dont want to level him further for now
>dont want to waste the souls i get from doing chalices and NG+
>not quite ready to go back to a new character and going back through the climb
>stuck in purgatory
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>>163236661
Didn't quite know what to do in those last moments, thanks.
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>>163237152
lol Yeah. It's all good. Cheers.
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>>163235792
>That convinces me to think its a female.
Why?
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What should my strength/skill/arcane distribution be for a good moonlight greatsword build?
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>>163237943
50/25/25 or 25/25/50. Former is better for the blade, latter a bit better for beams while having decent Hunter Tool damage and converted weapons.
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>>163237943
25/25/50
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>>163235792
But the Church has nothing to do with Patches, he's an entity associated with Amygdala and Amygdala only. The only reason Patches is even in the Lecture building is because he's a fucking spider, spiders love to hang out in old, decrepit locations and the Lecture Building has a direct connection to the Nightmare Frontier, where his Lord not Lady resides.
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Alright, i just finished my skill\bloodtinge and strength\arcane runs and am kind of at a loss for what to do next, any suggestions?
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>>163237943
I usually hear 25/25/50 with nourishing gems to take advantage of base form and the tricked split damage. You could probably drop the skill if you wanted to stay lower or mostly use the tricked form.
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>>163238130
You've literally covered everything with those two builds. Only thing left to do is fool around with different weapons, PvP, go spelunking in CRF dungeons and co-op with people.
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>>163237497
Bitches can remember with who they saw you with, at what hour, date and place. The thing with emotional reactions and pheromes.
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>>163237943
Depends on what you want out of it. If you want it primarily for moonbeams, 25/12+/50 is the way to go. If you want the physical sword and smacking stuff with the tricked blade, 50/25/25 is what you want.

This is, of course, assuming you want to stay within meta constraints. There's nothing stopping you from going 50/50/50 and completely annihilating everything and everyone you come across, you'd just have a hard time connecting for PvP. Reddit fight clubs would be accessible, and I think it would be hilarious to twoshot them with your giant rollcatching fucksword and R2 followups of instant death.
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>>163238130
Pure Arc, or something unorthodox like Skl/Arc, Blt/Arc. Maybe a Bl43 Twink or Vit-gouge Wheel.
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So, Kirkhammer has a D in Arcane? Do I need to raise my arcane to get the most out of it?
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>>163238209
I dont want this to end. Why can't From make more games. Time to replay DS
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>>163238359
Arc scaling doesn't matter since Cold Abyssals increase it. The scaling increases the higher you upgrade it, I believe it has a B or A at +10. If you're running a Str and/or Skill build, don't bother with Arc since it's only activated when you slot fire/bolt/arcane gems.
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>>163238359
All weapons have D ARC scaling unless they're explicitly ARC weapons. The reason for that is so that they actually work properly if/when you decide to stick Fire/Bolt/Arcane gems into them instead of Phys gems.
There's a small handful of weapons with a minor ARC component in their total AR, but that's inconsequential.
Unless it's an actual ARC weapon, don't bother leveling ARC.
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>>163238335
The wheel sounds fun. i'll do that.
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>>163238683
Just know that you'll mainly rely on the tricked multi-hits since most of your points are put into Vit. Basically dash-r1 everything, r2s as well I suppose. Wheel Twinks are pretty devastating too.
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ded
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>>163240816
[ALREADY DEAD]
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>>163240816
Americans are all asleep and Euros are just getting up to go to work/school.
This is /comfy/ time
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>Fighting Hotdog, summon Queen Killer for help
>Having a shit time and then I see Hotdog hit him out of bounds. He literally clips through the arena floor
>Like 30 seconds later the game decides to tell me that Queen Killer is dead
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>>163240942
true Americans never sleep
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>>163240974
The game is telling you to get good. The fight is better done solo anyway. It makes the Hotdog more predictable and you can use the nose bop strategy on him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXwxAgA7tak
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>>163241136
Oh I killed him eventually, I just thought that bit was funny. I looked around the arena for him for a few seconds.
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>>163228541
I just beat Bloodborne for first time and damn I loved it so good. I beat everything up to Gehrman at around level 80-85 before buying the DLC. I guess I went in a little overleveled, since I beat every boss in two tries except Ludwig on my first try and Orphan of Kos on my like... 40th try.
I ended up with like 30/29/50/16/20 since I wanted to try every weapon on my first character, but later settled into Str. I guess it would be more ideal to be more specialized, but I figured I can finetune later characters. I couldn't justify 2 more Blt points for Evelyn though, so I hope that sucks.
I did all of Pthu until Defiled, although I did the ritual for it. Did Loran. Did ritual only for Hinter, Lower Loran and Isz.

I'm kind of at a loss on where to go with this guy now, I have no PS+ now, as I didn't have much use for it but now I want to try PvPing with this guy, or should I not bother and roll a more finetuned char statwise after I settle on a weapon with my rounded out first char?
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>>163241915
Disregard quote.
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>>163235671
what did I ever do to you

360 clap for sure
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>>163241915
That character is fucked. Start over.

If you want co-op go Str.
If you want duels go Skl.
If you want a combination go Str/Blt.
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>>163241915
>>163241983
Thanks for the (You) anyways, unless you have used it you have PS+ free for 2 days. I've activated mine around 5:00PM for the Chalice dungeons and cleared two before Lower Loran Isz and the other one. Its 3:53 AM here if anyone wanted to now.
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I'm going for a strength build. Never gone for one in BB, so this is my first time using the Kirkhammer.

Is the sword portion of the KH apart of the strength or dexterity aspect?
I'm throwing all points into strength, and dunno if I'm wasting time using the sword if it's dexterity...
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>>163242062
Damn. Well I had fun anyway.
I might just max this guy out 99/... for shits and giggles then, I guess. I already have every weapon at at least +4 and 3 at +10 on him, so I can't leave him altogether.

>>163242196
Here's another one.
I did buy a month when I got my PS4. Got REmake and played Overwatch free weekend, then didn't see a need to renew with my current catalog. I'm gonna buy a year though I guess and start co-oping a new character.
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>>163242379
The sword moveset deals less damage than the hammer moveset to balance its faster attacks, but the stat scaling isn't any different. The only weapon whose physical scaling changes when tricked is Threaded Cane, which increases its Skill scaling.
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>>163241915
anon sorry but your build is more or less lost to you wanting to try out all weapons. The stats softcap at 25 and hardcap at 50, except for arcane which can scale with tools up to 99. Try to aim for 50vit and between base and 15 end.
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>>163242379
The whole weapon is Strength, it's okay but a Saw Cleaver would be better for quick attacks. The sword has somewhat low modifiers, similar to the LHB but not as bad (0.9 for Kirk sword, 0.75 for LHB sword. Cleaver and most weapons are around 1 for standard r1 attacks).
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>>163243039
I wonder if I'd enjoy playing as much at 15end. I've gotten accustomed to bobbing and weaving.
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>>163242379
>Never gone for one in BB
How? BB gives strength more love than all the other souls games combined
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>>163242379
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>>163242008
I love these
Post more
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>>163244125
I've reset my one file 50 times over and over again using the same character and the same skill build based around the cane.
Cane is best weapon.
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I'm starting to burn out on BB and decided to turn to DS3 to take a break.

And I gotta say, among all of it's faults the one that ruins it for me the most is the lore. I just can't give a shit about that setting. I guess it's supposed to be depressing that nothing in the game really matters, but it just leaves me disinterested. I hope Miyazaki stays true to his word and moves on to new stories.
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>>163244125
Not that guy, but I also went back to SKL a couple of times instead of trying new builds. Just can't get enough of SKL weapons.
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I made the mistake of starting with Noble Scion and ended up leveling Endurance to 20 before I settled on the weapon I wanted to use. I'm looking at Threaded Cane and Blades of Mercy.

Current stats are:
30 Vit
20 End
30 Skl
9 Str
14 Blt
9 Arc

How fucked am if I want to start going for BoM or an optimal Threaded Cane?
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>>163246124
Besides the starting class, you're honestly fine. 20 END is fine for BoM usage(20 END is the most points people would stop anyways). Just get vig and skl to 50
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>>163246124
You can still hit 50VIT/50SKL at 102 which isn't terrible, but you can't be optimal with your stats this fucked. Enjoy having extraneous ARC and BLT and no STR I guess, that's the road you're on if you don't want to restart.
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>>163246425
46-48 VIT depending what meta you're stopping at*
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>>163245815
>Cane is best weapon.
my nigga. Always the trusty weapon for skl builds until you get whatever weapon you have planned also is useful for Defiled CDs for its range
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>>163245815
Cane isn't even the best starting weapon.
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>>163246425
>>163246462
I went into my first playthrough blind after waiting to get the game for a while. Had no idea what I wanted to do. I'm at the Forbidden Woods right now, so I think I'll just keep what I have. Darn shame though. Had no idea I was fucking my stats so bad with that starting class. Is Arcane any good for BoM/Cane, or is pretty much all of my damage coming from Skill?
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>>163246678
All your damage is coming from skill. BoM has ARC scaling, but it doesn't add shit. Like we're talking single digit benefits at most: it only has ARC damage on it so it can't be elemental converted.

Threaded is all skill.
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>>163246124
45/20/10/50/14/9 puts you at 98, so you should be fine. You'll just have some points wasted from Blt and Arc. If you want to make use of them and don't mind going over 98, 25 Blt for extra gun damage and 15 Arc for a few Hunter Tools. I don't recommend going over 10 Blt for Skill but you might as well with Noble Scion's 14 Blt.
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>>163246678
>1st playthru
Dont worry about being optimal. Worry about that with the sequential playthrus
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>>163246772
That's good to hear I suppose. I don't have to waste more levels on it.

>>163246774
It really surprised me that your starting background could mess with your build so much.

>>163246848
I figured. I'm probably gonna just have fun and find things as I go. I'll make sure to do the DLC in this run though because I heard it gets a lot tougher on NG+
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>>163246910
>It really surprised me that your starting background could mess with your build so much.
It only matters if you're going to PvP actively. Otherwise the level restriction doesn't matter and those wasted points are of no real consequence.
Since it's your first walkthrough you're better off enjoying single-player and coop and not worrying about builds too much. 50 should be your aim for your primary stat (SKL in your case), and 20 is a good cap for END in PvE. That's about all you need to know.
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>>163246910
>It really surprised me that your starting background could mess with your build so much.

It can if you want to be fully min maxed but it's no biggie for first playthroughs. Just aim for 40-50 Vit and 50 Skill. 45/20/10/50/25/15 at 115 is what I'd go for.
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>>163247015
>>163247067

Thanks. I was reading the pastebin and got some good info there to help with later builds. I'll probably just enjoy the PvE for now and save PvP for subsequent playthroughs. Chalice dungeons probably won't be worth it on this run since I don't need the gems for PvP, right?
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>>163247146
They're worth it for PvP but PvE nah, just stick to Winter Lantern droplets. There's also the trophy for completing them if you want the platinum and theme.
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>>163247146
You don't need gems for PvE, but I kinda enjoy Chalices anyway, if only for the bosses. It is a bit boring getting to the deep ones though.
You can give them a try, and if you find it boring feel free to leave them for later.
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>>163247146
You need gems for everything: gems are always going to be the bulk of your damage.

That being said, you don't need optimal gems for PvE. You can get away with mensis or hamlet droplets for the most part. In PvP, however, you're going to want optimal gems. It's not a requirement, but its a strong recommendation.
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>tfw the game has so little sub-build variety
Like, there's different builds no doubt, but all of them are pretty basic. There's no real buffs in the game and only one real healing item outside of vials so forget trying to make a co-op support/healer arc class; melee classes can only really go for pure damage since damage increase gems are so ridiculously OP while slow poison, rapid poison, stamina usage down, hp restore, etc. gems are pretty much worthless.

Really you're stuck between a pure damage melee build, shooty shooty build, or pure mage build; and those last two will probably be used mostly as pure damage melee builds too. If BB2 or a spiritual successor to BB gets made I really hope they find a way to drastically improve the potential build variety.
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>>163247336
>>163247294
>>163247272
I didn't think I'd need Chalice gems dove I'm not going fully optimal on this run anyway. I've been having a fine time on the drops I get as I go. Thanks for the advice.
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>>163247504
Since I'm not*
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>>163247504
Depending on your level/stats/weapon/weapon upgrade level you really don't need chalice gems for any of the content.

Three 20%s is more than adequate for anything that isn't FRC or PvP.
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I think it's bout time I bought PS+ and joined the online fun. Don't have much interest in fight clubs and mostly want to coop, help people with bosses and the like.

Can I stick to my SKL ways or will a STR build do better for these purposes?
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>>163249116
>Str
>Better than Skl
>For any reason ever

Are you just rubbing it in or what?
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>>163249215
Huh? In BB Str is better for co-op, and Skl is better for PvP. Str+BLT is a happy medium.
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Is this good for an r1 spamming BoM/Rakuyo build? I know it's unoptimised by one point, but I'm already at Amelia/Lower Pthumeru and I don't want to start again.
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Im i wasting points in skill if im going arcane and the cane and saw blade is going to be elemental in the end?
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>>163249625
Yeah, put those points into arcane or strength instead.
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>>163249675
It's really my friends character, and she wanted a skill/arc build, but i later relized that the skill points will we wasted once i put Fire/Bolt gems in them, are there any other weapons that are good with an arc build that does not require elemental gems in them? Or is it still a waste?
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>>163249625
It will help Visceral damage, but other than that. Yeah it's a waste.

Go 25 STR instead, that way you can use HMS, Tonitrus and Wheel as extremly powerful backup weapons. also 70 Arcane is a meme, stop at 50 or go all the way to 99, the amazing scaling doesn't kick in until 80+ so stopping at 70 is just a waste. Put another 20 in STR and turn the Wheel into the most powerful weapon in the game by using Noirishings, revving it 4 times and R2 > R2 > R2 everything to death. Or dump another 30 points into Arcane and leave STR at base and cut a few from VIT/END.

ARC/SKL just isn't a good build, nothing scales (well) off both at the same time, unless you really want an elemental Rakuyo SKL should be 14 at highest, usually 12.
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>>163249906
A skill/arcane build is better at 50 skill and 20 arcane so you can use (physical) skill weapons and supplement them with Old Hunter Bone dash-spam, Beast Roar for emergencies, auger for two-handed parries/BoM Backstabs and Gloves for pressure and stagger.

Or go 50/50 and use BoM with nourishing gems. I'm pretty sure that's stronger than 50 SKL with Temperibg gems.

>>163249914
No idea why my spoiler tags fucked up
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>>163250104
Arcane on Blades of Mercy is shit. He's better off with 3 temperings even with base Str.
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>>163249914
So if im going with the Wheel build (With HMS and Tonitrus i dunno) how would it look like with most optimal stats? Im new to ARC builds, and im more used to str, skill and blt builds.
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Test
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>>163205819
Is wheel good for strength build without arcane?

For PvE and memeing only
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>>163249625
If you really want SKL/ARC then go Cruel Fate 40+/12+/10+/50/5/20+. I'm saying this by memory so the numbers might be wrong but you should be around BL100 with this.
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I wonder what Amelia smells like
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>>163249505
Do you really need that much end? I'd bring end to 15 and try pumping str to 25, just so you have more skill weapons like the Saif, BB, and Church Pick in your arsenal. I know you're planning Rakuyo/BoM only, and that they don't scale with strength, but it seems hell of a lot better than that many extra points in end.
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>>163250360
Yeah Arc on BoM is shit, but if you do level SKL and ARC to 50 (for whatever reason) I'm pretty sure 21.5% Nourishings eventually outperform 27.2% Temperings. Only just and it depends on enemy defense which works out better.

>>163250415
50 arcane
Whatecer Vitaility you are comfortable with (recommended 40-50)
Same with END
12 skill for requirements
As much STR as you can, 50 is optimal but 25+ is good.
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>>163250681
What does Orphan smell like?
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>>163250810
Rotting pussy probably
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>>163250569
pls respond, sitting at the upgrade table with a cheeky blood rock in my inventory
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>>163250863
Anything is good for PvE, except Fist of Gracia.
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>>163250569
It's a meh STR weapon, it's untricked moveset is basically a more arkward Kirkhammer. And it's tricked mode is worse if you don't have any arc.

But wheel makes a fantastic weapon on any build for flat arc or poison gems.
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>>163251021
Ah fair enough, so i guess it's Kirkhammer +10 for me then
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I've beaten this game 10 times by now and still can't kill Ludwig without a summon or fire paper and beast pellets. Not even Orphan gives me that much trouble. Pass is rapehors.
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>>163251404
Dodge left.

If you still need help I'll boot up. Surprised no one else has offered yet.
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>>163251783
Is there a single boss fight in Bloodborne where you should dodge right, for a change?
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>>163251846
Maria. Maybe Orphan for a couple attacks.

Abhorrent Beast too I think and also HBLB.
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>>163251783
Every time I see that thumbnail I always think that the back of your cape is some sort of landscape.
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>>163251903
Of course, left works on Maria too.

>>163251951
I do post it a little often, don't I...
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>>163251783
Nope. Headbutted into oblivion. Still beckoning.
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>>163252194
Alrighty, I'll boot up. Pass is "rapehors" specifically with no e?

Ringing at the lamp or fog?
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>>163252345
At the lamp. There's no e because it's too big.
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>>163252378
There's got to be a Berserk or "That's what she said" joke in there.

Ringin'.
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Kek. He was tryin' to get you. First time I've been killed by that in a long while.
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>>163252552
Running in the same direction as someone else is never a good idea. Thanks.
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>>163252775
Cheers.

>>163251846
Actually dodging right in his second phase seems to work quite well.
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>>163251846
I dodge right for BSB. Honestly, you should almost always dodge towards the direction the attack is coming from.
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Holy shit. That bitch at the Grand Cathedral for the Crow boss is one fucking tough son of a bitch.
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>>163252974
You can parry cheese him.
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>>163253117
Yeah that is what I did in the end.
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>>163250696
Cheers for the build.
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>>163253589
Don't use it it's garbage. 40 Vit will get you OHKO'd by everything in FRCs. You need at least 41 Vit, and that's a bad idea too.
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>>163207634
I can smell it on you. You use the R1 L1 L1 L1 combo basically for the entire game don't you.

Here's my advice. Take one of three options. Go level Vit to 20, summon competent help, or learn to dodge all his attacks.
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>>163214054
that lined my brain with keks
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>>163207634
Your leveling priority should be:

>20 VIT
>up to 20 END (stop sooner if your build calls for it)
>30 Vit
>base stats for whatever additional weapons you will be using
>damage scaling stats to build cap
>VIT and END to build cap

In that order. After making several build, that order is always the most efficient and effective. Raising damage scaling stats earlier, for example, doesn't have a very major effect because the weapons still tend to be +1 or 2 so they base stats and scaling tend to be crappy anyway. Plus, 30 VIT is plenty to get you through NG PvE.
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>brain tentacle lmaos
>inflicts me with frenzy
>try to kill them
>get grabbed when I'm aggressive
>get frenzied again when I'm passive
>get stuck in an infinite loop of frenzy when I try to heal and fight.
Is the only way to deal with these guys to just run past them and heal the frenzy damage as you go?
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>>163254592
You can parry them or stun lock them to death with certain weapons.
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>>163254592
>Is the only way to deal with these guys to just run past them and heal the frenzy damage as you go?
Not even close. If you're using a Saw weapon you can stun them out of their grab, but it isn't the safest way to play.

You can also interrupt the grab for a visceral, during which you are allegedly immune to the Frenzy proc.

Easier, for me, is to just hit them once or twice, dodge through the grab to 11 or 2 o' clock, R1 them a few more times to kill them, let the Frenzy proc, then heal up and get on with the level.
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I'm having a hard time fighting OoK with the kirkhammer. How the fug do I get hits in when he's in phase 2?
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>>163254826
Untricked R2
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>>163254791
The safest way to play is to stunlock one to death, let frenzy activate, pop two healing vials, then move on to the next one.

>>163254826
Spacing:
https://youtu.be/0TJrw5gwx-o
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>>163255391
A thing of sublime beauty to which all should bear witness.
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>>163255597
I jizzed a little bit
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>Mergo brain fries the school of mensis
>Rom is retarded and makes everything else retarded
Why try to reach out to great ones again?
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>>163240974
>Queen Killer
one time I summoned him and he blasted the cannon right in the fucking face of the hotdog and blew like 30% of its health in one shot
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I've been trying to kill father g for 4 hours now
Either dying to the second form right before the last hit or during his long axe phase. No idea when to parry him, it feels so random. Like when he's jumping shouldn't this be the correct moment to shoot? Or while he's about to jump? Or just before he's about to me?
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>>163258667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RImq2pYNoA0
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>>163258667
https://youtu.be/30H7MCwTx5c
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>>163258667
You can use the toybox from the little girl to stagger him, and you don't need to parry him if you don't have the timing well yet. Focus on hit and running/dodging.

And you won't parry him middle jump, it's when he is almost jumping I think.
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>>163258806
>>163258818
>>163258824
Thanks, tombstone tricks looks easy and i supppose for his long axe attacks you should try attacking him at the start of the attack? i tried to use the music box but it takes so long and while i use it he just ends up attacking me.
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>>163258667
Dodge into him rather than away. And mostly learn his parry timing.
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>>163257867
It's the eternal theme of cosmic horror - it's too late until you're in too deep. Human limitation, ignorance, arrogance, the quest for knowledge and understanding, control, and ultimate lack thereof.

It's all about trying to be in control, safe, but finding out you can't be in control, ever.
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Just had my first encounter with the Bloody Crow of Cainhurst. I died 3 times before managing to kill him, that's more times than I've died to any boss in the entire game, including DLC.

Why the fuck can From STILL not understand that using NPC enemies is cheap bullshit that makes the game unfun? Why not actually create an enemy with a unique moveset instead of using a non-player hunters that can pull of perfect parries, have boss-tier health pools and do insane damage with firearms?

The bloody crow of cainhurst has 8k+ hp, can heal for half his health and does ridiculous damage with both weapons, not to mention the fact that you can't do combos on him since he parries you, killing you no matter what. It's unfair, frustrating and just plain boring to fight against, and I have no idea how this garbage got through playtesting.
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you should've been able to get an Orphan-like placenta as a weapon
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>>163259643
Because they are fun.
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>>163259643
just git gud my man
some of us die like 50 times to every boss, you can love with 3 deaths to a single bodd
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>>163259643
>3 times
>Hard
What? I remember playing Dark Souls for the first time and dying to that bitch with 2 dogs in a narrow pathway for like fucking 30 times.
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>>163259802
How? I just fail to see how fighting a massively overpowered copy of yourself is fun in any way. It just seems like lazy enemy design, and a shitty way to end a relatively cool quest line, should've been an actual boss with a unique moveset instead.
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>>163260056
Because it is a fun skill test. The opponent can do anything you can do. It literally down to gitting gud. It is somewhat refreshing plus it is optional.
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>>163259643
>3 times
>unfair
>frustrating
Man up, pansy. I died to the Cleric Beast, the easiest boss in the game, around 9-10 times before I beat him and I didn't come on here on whine about it.
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>>163260056
Their stats are just higher to make up for them not being able to adapt like a player-controlled character would.

Why would a "Hunter of Hunters" questline end with you fighting anything other than a "Hunter"?
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>>163254936
thanks for da tips bro
*farts*
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>>163230614
MLGS and Wheel are the best Arcane weapons, and they're both Str/Arc. Pure Arc is a terrible meme.
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I picked up a PS4 around Thanksgiving and I've been pretty absorbed in this game ever since. I finished my first run through last week and started a new game right after that, after doing some research on some different ways to play it. I decided to try a pure arcane build this time, and try to do some min/maxing even though I probably won't pvp. I was using this image from the OP as a source for info.

I ended up following a few lines here pretty specifically - after I got two fire gems from the Fire Dog and the waning gem from the Workshop I felt pretty strong, went and got the Augur and Executioner's Gloves and then went to the Hunter's Nightmare. I struggled a bit so far with a +7 Saw Cleaver with those fire gems up to the second lantern, and from the sound of things I feel like I'm going to get destroyed by Ludwig. The image made it sound pretty easy to farm Chunks at this point, though, and I'm missing on how. The red-eyed Cutter hunter drops down right near the second lamp, right? I haven't gotten a Chunk off him and I didn't read anywhere else saying he dropped one.
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>>163260621
>he doesn't Kosiflower or Kos Fist
>he doesn't go weaponless, equip all the Odon Writhe runes, then use only hunter tools while restoring bullets with Auger parries
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>>163260621
>Pure Arc is a terrible meme
Kek.

>>163260709
He doesn't. You don't farm Chunks, you just pick up all the ones along the way.

Those guides are written mostly by the kinds of retards that claim the whole game is 2ez and vastly understate the particulars, although that's at least somewhat because those guides are not meant to be comprehensive walkthroughs for new players.
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I'm going to try and beat Gerhman amd Moon Presence today for the first time with my shit stats generalized character, and I was wondering if my first actual optimized build should be Bloodtinge or Arcane.
I have the Old Hunters, if it matters .
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>>163260916
How much do you like chalice dungeons? Because optimizing those two builds takes the most time in chalice dungeons.
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>>163260709
Why are you using the Cleaver instead of the superior Saw Spear?
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>>163262127
It is a meme.
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>>163262127
Because I like the Cleaver
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>>163262217
You don't like

Double SERRATED
E
R
R
A
T
E
D
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So Byrgenwerth were the good guys?
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>>163262421
There are no good guys.
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>>163262421
Sure, just don't ask to the fishing hamlet citizens. And they were also right, the more eyes the better.
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>>163262409
I dunno, I just like the Cleaver, even if it isn't derrated all the time
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>>163262421
Nope. They still had the Fishing Hamlet slaughtered and Kos desecrated.

The only good guys are Rom, Ebrietas, Kos, and a few of the hunters. Everyone else is either a bad person or neutral.
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>>163262507
>implying
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Is this meant to represent the Moon Presence? Or a Lumenwood?
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>>163262732
He was kidnapping people all over yharnam as sacrifice for his ritual.
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>>163262907
For a greater good.
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>each attack of any melee weapon can be parried
>the only exception is jump attack but gunshots usually just stagger you out of those
>1 (one) true combo in the entire game, BoM's L2 is literally useless as you can't use it even as a finisher
>no way to quickly restock between invasions
>molotovs scale from arcane when they are just a physical projectiles not connected to ayys in any shape or form
>guns have no reloading animation
>90% of caryll runes are absolute garbage
Man, returning back to BB after a lot of hours in DS3 is sure bumpy.
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>>163263104
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>>163262893
Def moonman
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>>163244174
>21 END
Is this your first time playing Bloodborne?
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>no Shadow of Yharnam armor
>no Shadow if Yharnam blade that cam trick into snake shit
>no Shadow of Yharnam candle that works like the flamesprayer
I just want to play as a cool robe boy
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what would be the best boom hammer build? stats and setup?
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>>163263117
>molotovs scale from arc
>because they're fire
>which is a Pthumerian power

>1 combo
>what are the saw cleaver tricked form r2s
>what are transform attacks
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>>163265930
>what are the saw cleaver tricked form r2s
not a true combo
>what are transform attacks
not a true combo with exception of LHB's post-transform r1 => r1 which is literally the only true combo in the game
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Gascoigne anon back, took a break and tried again, died first time using the tombstone trick.
For the second try i just screamed every insult i could think of and that worked somehow, so thanks for the tips!
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>>163263117
An absolute opposite for me. I cannot stand DS3 after BB.
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I want to make an executioner as I have never done an ARC build.

Is it fun?
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>>163266457
It's one thing to like or dislike some game. I like both DS3 and BB for different reasons. But returning back to BB i can clearly see poorly thought-out mechanics and overall lack of quality of life stuff like ability to make inventory compact or quickly restock all consumables.
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>>163251846
with Orphan you dodge right in some form almost every time
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I saw a LP of blooodborne and it seems too much like an action button masher than a souls game. Pretty short too.
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>>163266842
Well that's pretty much what I meant. I like DS3 but I must say I enjoyed it much more before I played BB again. While I agree that some quality of life stuff is missing in BB, I find it's core mechanic changes and additions to the DS formula a vast improvement.
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>>163266842
Ah QoL > actual quality content, its always a pleasure to read what stupid arguments DaS 2 and 3 retards bring up.
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>>163267147
Go ahead and play it like a masher and see for yourself :v)
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first BB playthrough, going for Skill build, should i improve my threaded cane?
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>>163267865
Sure, all weapons are viable through out the game.
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>>163267865
Yes.
The Cane is a very good weapon, but only in skilled hands. You are going to need a lot of practice if you want the most out of it.
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>>163267967
>>163267943
ty, but am i gonna be able to use another weapon with some better scaling with skill?
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>tfw OoK second phase
Kill me
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>>163268032
You can use as much weapons as you want as long as you have the minimum requirement. And only for upgrading above +6 you should be a little more careful since those materials are a little harder to get even by the end of the game.
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>>163267943
>all weapons are viable through out the game.
What is Rifle Spear? What is Amy arm? What is Reiterpallasch?
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>>163268462
Reiterpallasch is a pretty good weapon for almost everything though, with some interesting combinations and a way pure skill builds can have a gun that does good damage per bullet.
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>>163267646
You must be pretty blind if this is what you read in my post. Fanboyism usually does this to people though.
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>>163268462
Both Reiter and Amy Arm are viable.
Won't vouch for Rifle Spear though.
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>>163268462
Amy arm is extremely viable for pve though reiter and rifle spear are indeed hot garbage for it.
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>>163268965
>Amy arm is extremely viable for pve
Not in untricked form.
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>>163269065
? So? Whirligig is garbage non-tricked as well but i don't see people calling it bad for pve because of it.
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>>163268965
Reiter makes some fights very easy, in particular anything parriable or around human size, and others much harder though. It's a good backup weapon for a weapon with better reach.
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Bloodborne's on sale for $8 lads. Get ready for the influx of new players asking stupid nonsense.
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>>163269065
Those smashes are good for hitting those fucking gutworms the silverbeasts spew out

>just use fire

Not every build is an arc build and I'm not wasting paper for one silverbeast famalamadingdongeroo
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>>163268462
I am using Rifle Spear and Reiter right now. What's wrong with it?
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>>163269065
Do you have any idea of what you are saying or are you just shitposting? Untricked Amy has some absurd damage and it's pretty fast too.
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What's a good level to start the DLC?
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>>163271751
Depends if you are good. I did the DLC around BL 60
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Is extended-play anon still around from yesterday? I'm starting up my new character now. I'll need 20 minutes to clear Central Yharnam then I'll wait for you outside of cleric beast.
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Lower Loran, L2, LVL.95 pass is bbg, anyone?
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>>163229548
>>163229548

Exploiting enemies elemental weakness makes arcane THE OP PVE build. I shred everything. Physical builds dont come close.
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>>163272457
Yes, I am here.
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>>163272458
NVM
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So which is better normal or lost bowblade for a backup weapon in a pure bloodtinge build and for someone who isn't going to grind a lot for rare gems?
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Why can't From make games as good as BB all the time? Maybe instead of getting a new one yearly we should get one every 3 or more years. I am not saying DaS2 and 3 are bad, in fact I like them, I am just saying I would rather have one A+ game than two B+ games.
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Someone up to fight Logarius with me? Level 52 and just want my roar gesture
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I did my first playthrough as a skill build, using the BoM - 50/20/50/15 and it went pretty good

I've been looking at doing an Arcane build this time round but a few things are confusing me. Am i correct in these statements
>Weapons with inherent elemental damage (Tonitrus) benefit from arcane scaling regardless of gems
>Weapons without inherent elemental damage (Kirkhammer) do not benefit from arcane scaling (despite saying it has a B in Arcane) until elemental gems are placed in it
>Once a weapon has elemental gems in it, all scalings apart from Arcane are redundant

If those statements are true, then is it not always better to simply grab the base requirements for a weapon, level Arcane and use elemental gems? Rather than doing a 'hybrid' build - since if you put gems in to use the Arcane scaling, the Strength scaling is now useless?

In which case - if i wanted to use Wheel, i should just grab 20 Str, then go like 70 Arcane and use transformed form all the time? And take something like Tonitrus and Saw Cleaver (with fire gems) to deal Bolt/Fire damage respectively?
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>>163274245
Password is bbg
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>>163274447
>Tonitrus/Saw Cleaver
>not Tonitrus/Boom Hammer for thematics
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>>163274506
Did you get help already?
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>>163274842
I managed to kill him solo
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Tonight, AYYY joins the hunt.

So arcane build here I can't wait to hate life farming gems.
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>>163274842
I will be going to Ya'hargul next if you care to join.
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Yo people listen up, I don't know how rare this is but my Lower Loran has Bath Messangers with the Lost and Uncanny versions of the DLC weapons, what kind Holy Moonlight Sword is better for an arcane build?
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>>163275398
Going through a full area is going to take time, and I'll be leaving soon. Good luck.
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>>163275308
Woah, we're going to have two ayy lmaos in our FCs?
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Jesus fucking Christ, and then you faggots complaing about Luci.
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>>163275763
I just hope he's not arcane too.
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>>163273458
Okay, ringing outside cleric beast now. Password is bbg01
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>>163276062
t. luci
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>>163274447
You could do that but the Wheel also benefits from STR and nourishing gems exist. And about the scaling, it's a little more complicated than this for some weapons but I'll leave that for an anon more knowledgeable than me.
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>>163275763
There are already two but one of them dies on contact so I don't think it counts.
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How do you figure out what version of a weapon you want for your build?

If i'm doing Arcane i obviously want Arcane gems, but do i want flat or %?

Like Saw Cleaver for example starts with 2 Radial one Waning - So i could go for 2x Cold Blood Gemstone to increase the scaling, or can i just go Nourishing for a flat %atk boost? (does this work with the arcane damage?)
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Lower Loran L3, LVL.100 NG, pass bbg. At lamp.
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>>163278487
Read the OP
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>>163278714
The OP guide is a shit
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>>163278698
Chalices dont scale with ng+
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>>163279436
>Chalice Pastebin - General Info, Glyphs for Gems, Best Gems Setups, Multiplayer & Speedrunning
>Best Gems Setups
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>>163274447
>Weapons with inherent elemental damage (Tonitrus) benefit from arcane scaling regardless of gems
Yes, weapons like the Tonitrus and the HLMS already benefit from arcane scaling due to their inherent damage. The Kos Parasite is in the same category, as are the Burial Blade, Blade of Mercy, and the Amygdalan Arm. But, those three have pitiful arcane base damage, so any arcane investment is virtually worthless.
>Weapons without inherent elemental damage (Kirkhammer) do not benefit from arcane scaling (despite saying it has a B in Arcane) until elemental gems are placed in it
Yes, and not all weapons can be converted. You can't make a fire HLMS, for example, or a fire Bloodletter. Generally, if the weapon has only physical damage (of which thrust and blunt are a part of), you can convert it.
>If those statements are true, then is it not always better to simply grab the base requirements for a weapon, level Arcane and use elemental gems? Rather than doing a 'hybrid' build - since if you put gems in to use the Arcane scaling, the Strength scaling is now useless?
Exactly, that's what everybody does. You'll see people invest in strength, however, for the HLMS and the Logarius' Wheel.
>In which case - if i wanted to use Wheel, i should just grab 20 Str, then go like 70 Arcane and use transformed form all the time? And take something like Tonitrus and Saw Cleaver (with fire gems) to deal Bolt/Fire damage respectively?
For the wheel, just bring strength to 25 to benefit more from the first cap. 50+ arcane is fine, but make sure you understand Hunter Tool scaling. IIRC, certain tools receive huge boosts at around 80+, but don't quote me on this. Just check the OP for it.
If you want to use the Saw Cleaver, fine, but the Saw Spear is serrated on both forms, which is better for you. No big deal, though. As for a bolt weapon, the Tonitrus may not be the best choice. Boring moveset. Bolt Saifs are pretty popular, but you can use just about anything you want.
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>>163279436
The answer to one of your questions is quite literally the first thing that is read on the Chalice Dungeons Pasta, clown.
Quit being lazy and at least make an attempt to look.
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>>163279873
Ah, then you up for it?
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>>163278487
>If i'm doing Arcane i obviously want Arcane gems, but do i want flat or %?
You want percentage gems. The way damage works is that flat damage is added at the very end of the AR calculation, and just before your opponent's defenses. This means that it's not modified by gems, scaling, or attack modifiers of any kind. The game doesn't separate flat damage from modified damage when showing you your AR on the status screen, so be mindful and don't assume that a bigger AR is always better. Though, flat damage is useful for multi-hit attacks like the Wheel's dash R2, and the Kos Parasite L2 nuke.
Percentage gems will be modified, so you'll want those.
>Like Saw Cleaver for example starts with 2 Radial one Waning - So i could go for 2x Cold Blood Gemstone to increase the scaling, or can i just go Nourishing for a flat %atk boost? (does this work with the arcane damage?)
Sort of. I think your example setup wouldn't actually be arcane, unless one of the Cold Abyssals had a + elemental damage secondary. In order to convert a weapon, you specifically need to equip onto it a fire, bolt, or arcane gem. Only then will the Cold Abyssals actually take effect, because otherwise they'd be increasing the scaling for a damage type you're not even using.
Also, yes, nourishing gems increase all damage types, but putting a nourishing gem on a weapon doesn't magically make it arcane. Besides, unless you're using a HLMS or a Wheel or whatnot, there are specific elemental gems to use over nourishings, like fire gems, bolt gems, arcane gems, etc.
http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/10/individual-blood-gems.html
Link above is a great source for those specific gems.
We have an OP for a reason.
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>>163280313
Just so you know, that guy isn't me, the guy who was asking all the questions.

>>163280181
Thanks for the info, doing an arcane build is seriously fucking confusing, figuring out what gems to use and what not.

I figure i'm going to go something like 50/20/20/10/5/70 - use a Logarius wheel transformed for most of my damage, then a Fire Cleaver for beasts (fire+serrated) and a Bolt Kirk Hammer because that sounds fucking cool

So i'm guessing for Gems, i want an Uncanny Wheel, with 2 Nourishing Radials and one Flat Arcane Triangle

A normal Saw Cleaver with Nourishing Radials and a Fire% Radial

And a Lost Kirkhammer so i can get a Triangle + a Waning, since there are no Radial Bolt Gems?
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>>163281330
i've looked at the blood gem guide you linked from the op but i don't understand it thats why i'm asking

If nourishing boosts all the weapons attack though, shouldn't i just put one elemental in to change the damage type, then fill the other two slots with Nourishing Radials?
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Ayyosefka > fake Iosefka post Rom > the real Iosefka > fake Iosefka pre Rom
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>>163281760
Real Iosefka is cute, fake Iosefka can fuck off to Hunter's Nightmare for ruining Good Hunter's date
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>>163281572
>If nourishing boosts all the weapons attack though, shouldn't i just put one elemental in to change the damage type, then fill the other two slots with Nourishing Radials?
No, because nourishing gems only go up to 23.6% at MOST, and you can get better elemental gems, like a 27.2% fire/bolt/arc from Watchers, though the farming will kill you. There are also fire and bolt abyssals, if not those.
Basically, nourishing gems are great when you have a weapon that deals more than one damage type, like the HLMS whose beams are arcane. Otherwise, just use the specific gems, which tend to be higher in percentage and will give you more damage.
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>>163281387
You want Cold Abyysals on your Kirk and Cleaver.

+65 ARC scaling and they come in all shapes. I'm pretty sure best setup for Cleaver (although I reccomed Spear) is two Cold Abyysals (one waning, one radial) and a 27.2% fire triangle.

Best setup for Bolt KirkHammer would be either two Bolt Abyysals and a 21% +33 flat waning or one cold abyysal, a 27% bolt triangle and a 21% +33 flat.

As for Wheel, with your build I recomend 3 Noirishings, flat arcs are only good on certain attacks and are best suited to Vit-gouging min-requirement build's. With 20/70 you are going to want to rev it up and make use of the insane multiplicitive damage boosts.
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>>163281387
70 arc is a meme, you go 50 or 99. Invest those 20 points else where.
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>>163281760
>Shitting on real Iosefka
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>>163240974
killer queen is a fag

Summon prospector olek, he has way more hp and lives way longer. Makes hotdog way easier
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>>163282780
but anon
real Iosefka is at the top of the list
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>>163281985
ok so early on i can just throw an elemental gem + nourishing to fill the gaps , but later on i should be farming chalices to get the better Elemental gems?

>>163282159
So i want

A Lost Cleaver, with a Waning/Radial Cold Abyssal and Triangle Fire Gem

An Uncanny Wheel with 3 Nourishings

An Uncanny Kirkhammer with a Bolt Abyssal Radial and 2 Nourishing Radials
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>>163282890
>killer queen

IS THIS A JOJO REFERENCE?
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>>163281882
>We will never get to go out on a date with real Iosefka after the night of the hunt
She sounded so eager about meeting us face to face too.
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>>163283059
Earliest elemental gem you can get is a fire gem guarded by a Brainsucker in the path past the Abandoned Old Workshop. That, or a fire gem from the first Pthumeru chalice's third layer boss, Watchdog of the Old Lords. Flaming axe Pthumerians also drop fire gems.
There are arcane gems from the Celestial Emissaries in the Forbidden Woods, but you're best using fire gems. Though, you can try your hand at farming Lower Pthumeru Watchers for a 17% or so arcane gem, as I've had them drop it before.
I recommend doing the chalices alongside the main game, if only to get the fire gems at least. Ailing Loran will come along and have plenty of fire and bolt gems for you just as standard drops from enemies, but if you feel like saving the dungeons till the very end, you can pick up scrap bolt gems from the Nightmare Frontier.
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>>163283307
Real Iosefka's probably just as corrupt as the first, though. There probably wasn't enough time for the fake one to dissect those Celestial Emissaries in between the time you meet the real one and she gets replaced. So the real one must have been doing research of her own.
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>>163283585
I thought she was part of the church. We can trust the Healing Church.
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>>163284071
>We can trust the Healing Church.
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Did that dude who made the messenger hunter ever release the sliders?
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>>163284558
This guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKhx6d67FXU
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>>163284071
>We can trust the Healing Church
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>>163278698
This is all I need before Isz, plz
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>>163283519
So should i just pick cleaver (i hate spear) and rush to that fire gem as fast as possible + the flamesprayer and dump all my levels into arcane? Then get to Cainhurst for sweet sweet transformed wheel, then go to Nightmare Frontier and kill Silverbeasts a billion times for a Bolt gem for my Kirkhammer?

Then i'll probably fill the rest of the gaps with nourishings, try to finish the game and then start doing Chalice dungeons (something i've not yet tried) for better Gems/Weapon variants
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Is the Micolash slider set in the OP "genuine", or just an imitation?
Would there be any way to get the actual sliders of NPCs, or are they all "custom made"?
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>>163285207
Pretty sure they're custom models, not made in the character editor.
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>>163285019
Sounds like a good plan. Silverbeasts drop the bolt gems constantly though, and I believe there's one you can pick up in Yahar'gul. It's inside one of the cells.
>Then i'll probably fill the rest of the gaps with nourishings
There's a nourishing gem in the poison cave of the Forbidden Woods, and the last one is in the Nightmare of Mensis. But yeah, you can do that. Though, at that point, I'd recommend you just get droplet gems from either Mensis or Hamlet by farming the Winter Lanterns. A good set will be tremendously helpful in the chalice dungeons.
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>>163284965
Nobody here actually plays the game, we just circlejerk and shit on Luci
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>>163284194
>>163284882
The Choir and the School of Mensis are the mean ones, the church itself is fine.
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>>163284071
>We can trust the Healing Church.
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>>163283519
Early fire gems are the following

> 8% waning in Church Workshop area (avalible after BSB)
> 10.5% Fire radials from first chalice dungeon
> 12% fire radials (maybe better I dunno) from second chalice dungeon, these are why running first dungeon twice is dumb, it's quicker just to farm mobs for better gems
> exact same quality fire gems avalible in Triangle shape in Hintertomb
> 16.5% fire radials and triangles avalible in lower Pthumeru/lower Hintertomb
> 8% radial nourishing gem from Rom in lower Pthumeru
> +30(ish) flat arcane triangle from Lower Hintertomb Brainsucker boss. Kinda shitty but will convert your weapon.
> similar radial gems avalible from Brainsucker mobs in Lower Pthumeru root dungeons (UNCONFIRMED, really rare with low discovery, but there's no reason why they wouldn't drop them)
> 10% Arcane Triangle in the woods
> 7% Nourishing triangle gem in the woods
> 7% Arcane (and other effects?) from Ayy's in the woods
> 7% bolt and fire wanings from Loran Silver Beasts in nightmare frontier
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>>163285903
The Choir and the Church aren't separate entities anon, the choir are basically the shadowy overlords controlling everything from behind the scenes.
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Is this a good Bloodtinge build?

I thought the Chikage was just supposed to be used in transformed with base skill to wield it but literally fucking everyone seems to take 25 Skill for some reason. Oh and the 14 Strength is for the Bloodletter - i've heard thats pretty ok.

https://mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/20815
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>>163285903
You know the Choir and the church work together, right?
Where do you think the blood comes from? And who do you think distributes it?
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>>163285903
Oh anon, you'd be a wolf person in just a few minutes. You need more eyes.
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>>163286578

Curse the fiends, their children too...
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>>163285903
>Let's keep distributing this blood even though we now know it turns people into beasts.
Lovely lads, those church people
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>>163286715

By that point, everyone was hopelessly addicted to the blood.
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Where's the best place to farm chunks and rocks?
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>>163286125
>>163286351
The Choir's sins aren't on the rest of the church. The part that performs the blood ministration and helps people aren't necessarily in the wrong. There are good people in the church.

>>163286715
Old Yarnham was a mistake. They have cleaned their act.
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>>163286812
Chalice dungeons
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>>163284696
Fuck it thats close enough, but I clearly remember there was a better one made thanks anyway
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>>163286869
>Old Yarnham was a mistake.
Yes, yes, a "mistake." That's a good werewolf. Keep those eyes closed.
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>>163286869
>There are good people in the church.
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>>163286869
Go away Adella!
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>>163286869
>The part that performs the blood ministration and helps people aren't necessarily in the wrong. There are good people in the church.
Like who? If you're implying that spreading blood like that is good just because your intentions are to help (or just muh science), you're terribly wrong. You judge a person more by their actions, not their intentions. Good or not, that blood is fucked, and should not have been distributed, especially when it became clear what it did to people.
Filthy church apologist, begone.
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>>163287041
A whores blood is unfit and useless compared to a proper nun's blood.

>>163287016
Rom has more eyes than anyone and she is a simpleton.
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>>163287387
If that scourge of beasts is getting too much for you to handle, why don't you let the Healing Church take care of your children for you? Just send them up here, to the orphanage. They can play in the garden with the other children!
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>>163286869
This is a parody of people who defend Muslims, isn't it?
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>>163287387
>Rom has more eyes than anyone and she is a simpleton.
Funny, because you're the complete opposite on the spectrum in terms of eyes and yet you're still a beastly idiot.
Run off now, beasty. Back to Old Yharnam with you.
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>>163287016
An attempt was made to help things. It was bad luck that it came to burning it down and sealing it off.

>>163287231
No one knew the blood was dangerous until it was far too late.
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Worthless trash.
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>>163287787
>No one knew the blood was dangerous until it was far too late.
Yes, I'm sure Willem and Laurence came up with the "fear the old blood" adage for no reason at all.
Not to mention that Ashen Blood epidemic in the Old Yharnam was likely caused by the Church's experiments to begin with.
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awoo~
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>>163287787
>No one knew the blood was dangerous until it was far too late.
Come on now. Didn't you listen to Master Willem?
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>>163287787
Ignorance isn't an excuse, especially considering that that complete fuckwit Laurence was warned about the blood. There was plenty of time after Old Yharnam anyways.
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IS THIS NIGGA SERIOUSLY DEFENDING THE HEALING CHURCH
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>>163288356
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>>163288032
>Church's experiments to begin with.
We don't know what hand, if any, the church played in that one. We know they tried to help though.

>>163288056
He was a prick and Byrgenwerth were awful, inhumane shitters who caused half of what is bad. The school of Mensis caused the other half.

>>163288131
The Church decided in needed a stronger hand afterwards. It was for the better in some sense.
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>being anti-church
That is like being pro-vileblood.
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>>163268462
>reiterpallasch
>not viable
I don't think there's a single enemy in the game that's resistant to thrust, and it also gives you a high damage gun with minimal bt investment
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>>163288809
Being anti-church is just called not being retarded.
Hunters of Hunters are best.
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>>163288936
Mah crow.
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>>163288809
>>163288936
>>163289157
>not being a Lumenwood Kin
Tekeli'li motherfuckers
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>>163285613
Noticed. ATM
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why is there a iosefka vial outside of wet nurse fight?
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Howcome spedrunners and the like use Cleavers r1l1 combo the most?
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>>163289625
take one guess.
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>>163289568
lore
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does anybody actually like the chalice dungeons?
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I need your opinion /bbg/. I've been using the saw cleaver for the whole game so far cause it's bretty good and it's fast but I'm starting to get bored of it. I'm dumb and didn't put any points into SKL, BLT, OR ARC so what weapon would you recommend to someone going pure STR? I have the DLC and this character is PvE only since I'm trash.
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>>163290069
KIRKHAMMER
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>>163290069
Stake Driver
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>>163290069
Pizza cutter
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>>163290069
Beast Cutter is fantastic pure STR weapon and about as far away from Cleaver as possible in terms of moveset. Slow, huge range and the ability to pancake damn near anything.

Or Amygdala Arm WeBm related.
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Will someone please help me? I just can't seem to beat the L3 boss of Lower Loran.
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>>163290459
> forgot the webm
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Anybody want to go through the chalice dungeons with me?

>passcode is blbr11
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>>163290592
Set a pass and I'll start ringing.
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>>163289783
I don't fucking know which is why I asked?? You snide piece of shit.

I could make an infinite amount of guesses but without concrete knowledge there is no way to tell if I'm getting warmer or colder, which is the POINT of asking questions you imbecile.
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Should I do Blt/Skl or pure arcane?
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>>163290718
bbg
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>>163290738
one guess. first thing that comes to mind. i'm sure you can figure it out.
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>>163290738
Just guess, anon.
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What the fug
Just encountered a brainsucker as a boss in Great Isz
Not even a new moveset just a regular enemy as a boss
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>>163290972
Yeah, that's normal. Welcome to chalice dungeons.
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>>163290738
make a gamble and take a guess, sissy.
don't make me fuck your ass like a cheap whore and make you moan for more
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>>163290798
>>163290883
OK sure, I'll make 3 guesses and tell me if I'm getting there.

Stagger
Optimal stamina:damage usage
In case the boss dodges, an l1 will connect where an r1 might whiff
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>>163290972
The real fun begins when you start seeing bosses as regular mobs
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>>163290176
>>163290204
>>163290250
>>163290459
>>163290612
Thanks for the help! I'll experiment with the weapons you all mentioned and see which one is the most fun to use.
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>>163291137
Second one is on point, but it's not the only reason.
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>>163290718
You ringing?
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>>163290790
Alright, sorry for the wait. I'll be ringing shortly.
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>>163291053
It's just so insulting. There were multiple other brainsuckers on the floor.
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>>163291482
No worries.
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>>163291589
Don't worry, Amy might show up later. Somehow I have a harder time with the Isz Amy I faced than the defiled Amy.
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>>163291137
It doesn't matter why they do it
If you see a speed runner doing something a certain way it's because that's the absolute best and fastest way of doing it, so if you're looking to do something fast you had best take note
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>>163291482
You there? Or did this fucked up?
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>>163292809
I've been ringing in layer three for a while now.

Just got summoned by a Vileblood, so if that was you then rip, otherwise I'll keep ringing. Blank and rering your beckoning bell, maybe?
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>>163292991
Yup, that was me. Kek.
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I can only dodge Ebrietas charge half the time which is kind of a pain since everything else about her is a pushover. Any tips? Also what's the best way to bait out the headslam. I kinda just dance around in front of her until she does it
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>>163293243
Okay that's enough purging for now, I'll go put on Impurity and we can kill Loran Darkbeast.

Y'all better not be besmirching the Moonlight Sword, using it as a fucking Vileblood.
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>>163293715
Ayy, alright senpai
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God, why does Central Yharnam suck so much?
I loath to make new characters precisely because I don't want to have to go through it again.
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Is the game dead, or are there just certain hours that are better for co-op?

I started a ng this morning, trying to get some hunting in with others, and for the last 6 hours, I've gotten summoned twice and only had one person join me.

I'm on worldwide and not overleveled.
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>>163293715
Thx, Executioner.
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>>163294091
Why do you hate it, curiously?
It's my second favourite area in the game.
>>163294154
Co-op is alive, more so for the countless people who summon for the DLC, and SRRC. It really depends where you're ringing at. You're less likely to get a random cooperator in for a full run of an area, and more likely to get cooperators ringing near bosses.
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>>163293715
Ayyy
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>>163294091
Central Yharnam's fuckin great dude, I just wish we had reason to go back through during night time
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>>163294314
>Why do you hate it
You're too weak while everything is either in big hordes or is too strong for you to reliably take on.
Not to mention that the townsfolk enemies are god Damon terrible to fight; especially the ones with the bullshit torch attack.
You can't grind to get stronger, because you are very likely to get ganked twice on a row, most likely from >YOU PLAGUE RIDDEN RAT

It only really gets good past the sewers, but getting past that is utter slog.
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>>163294576
Never had that problem. You're far faster than just about anything in Central Yharnam, and the crowds are incredibly weak. You also have the ability to parry from a distance. It's easy to dart in, get a couple of hits, then dodge back out. Or, just run past everything. Seriously, the huntsmen are are slow as fuck.
The only things that are tough to take on are the Scourge Beasts on the bridge, but even they can be cheesed using the shortcut building's door. The brick trolls move at the speed of molasses, and are pure parry bait.
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Ludwig was actually a lot easier than I thought he was gonna be. Got him on my third try, wasted 15 vials the first time, 23 the second time and only 5 when I killed him. Still a fun fight though.
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is a bl4 run as easy as a sl1 run was in dark souls
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Has anyone translated the runes on the Kirkhammer yet? I find words like Oeidion and Euthed on it, the first obviously being a reference to Odeon, but fuck me I'm straining my eyes trying to read these shitty textures!
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>>163295419
Much harder because you can't cheese with pyromancy, and you have to get pretty far in the chalice dungeons before you get really good damage
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>>163295593
i never used pyro in my sl 1 run

but fuck doing chalice dungeons
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We can all agree that chalice dungeons would be better without the faggot bell ringing bitches right?
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Here is a question. My friend might be getting the game soon and I'm going to play through with him. What weapons are the weakest unless heavily optimized? I'll build a character around them to show them off so he doesn't have to waste time doing it. I already have a full arcane character.
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>>163295952
Yeah, but they make spelunking fun in an odd, masochistic way. Why the spiders chase you to the ends of the world is fucking beyond me.
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>>163295952
>awaken at a lamp
>afk as a I look at my phone
>60 seconds later I get swarmed by spiders
Seriously they'll sniff you out for miles. It sucks 10x worse when there's like 3 of them together.
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>>163296031
Beast Claw and Kos Parasite are pretty shit, even when optimized.
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>>163296285
>the way they swarm and block doorways/halls
Jesus FUCK
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>>163296285
I believe I got swarmed by over 7 spiders in Loran.
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>>163295470
Someone said it was a gibberish mixture of Elder and Younger Futhark - that being Norse runes. It's just meant to look cool.
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>>163296524
I know it's futhark, but I can't accept that the masterminds behind Bloodborne just slapped norse runes on it without a deeper message other than "DUDE, VIKINGS, LMAO!"
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What boss did you guys die to the most?
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>>163296741
Orphan.
Funny because he's now the boss I die to the least. He was such a great challenge that I kept doing co-op against him, just to get that rush again, but there's no difficulty in it anymore.
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>>163296741
Gascoigne, lmao
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>>163296741
All of them, Cleric Beast included.
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For the ultimate PvE build, should I go 25/50 STR/Arc, or something else?
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>>163296741
First playthrough my highest death counts were
> Cleric Beast because I still didn't know how to play properly
> BSB because I had no clue how to fight him
> Rom because I was too scared to attack her without killing ALL the spiders first, and I kept getting Insta-killed by pre-patch projectiles and bullshit tracking
> Defiled Amy took me 40+ tries
> Laurence was the same

Conversally the ones I got first try were Amelia, Shadows, Wetnurse, Moon Presance (0 vials left though) and amazingly Ludwig.

I got 100% of trophies before I bought PS+, so I was happy I did it all "legit"
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>>163296741
Laurence, Shadows or Ludwig.
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WHAT THE FUCK! WHAT, THE, FUCK!!!!
SINCE WHEN DOES PAARL DEAL SO MUCH FUCKING DAMAGE!? AND WHY THE FUCK DOES HE ONLY SPAM HIS FUCKING GAY ASS LITTLE GAY FUCKING SHITTY FUCKING AOE, FUCKING NIGGER PAARL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>163296693
I honestly think they thought it looked cool and mysterious and foreign. Apparently someone tried translating it and it's just total gibberish. Although it is interesting that there's runes and English to be found in the game, the graves you find in Hemwick and such have copy-pasted English gibberish on them. I wonder if runes were Pthumerian in this world.
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>>163296693
Nips do stuff like that all the time. All kinds of musicians there use English words in their songs because they sound cool, and Evangelion had an entire Christian aesthetic solely because anno thought it looked cool.
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>>163298684
Nips are such disgusting creatures.
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>>163296741
NG+ Laurence or defiled hotdog/Amy probably.
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>>163297581
Either 25/12/5/50 or 50/25/10/10 and put Heavy Abyysals on every single weapon (except Kos Parasite and Bloodletter) and make use of a huge variety of weapons.
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>>163298862
While we're at it, I'm a bit rusty, coming back for the plat trophy, what's a good place to farm those Heavy Abyssals?
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>>163294154

European here, I get a lot of co-op when Americans aren't sleeping. Also met quite a lot of Japanese people. Europeans dont seem to play this game much anymore.
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jesus christ I hate central yharnam so much
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>>163299173
Cursed Depth 5 Layer 3 Ihyll Root dungeons Headless Bloodletting Beast.

7f8pcdjx is a good glyph. There's others in the OP sheets, but this is an easier dungeon in my opinion. If you want to go now I can farm with you for an hour or so.

Or anyone else reading this.
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>>163299420
worst part of the game desu senpai
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Anyone feel like clearing out all of Old Yharnam? First time doing ARC build and trying to get BSB done ASAP. Already killed Djura. Ringing at the lamp with the password below of you're interested:

bbg
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>>163296741

Gascoigne. But after I found out that in BB you have to be aggressive and basically dodge towards shit instead of way, the game became a cake walk, DLC included.
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>>163299492
thanks m8, but I don't play online
>tfw too lazy to get ps+
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>>163299616
>missing out on one of the best gestures
Why
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>>163299728
Already got it on a few other characters.
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>>163299728
This
I even deleted my character once when Henryk killed Djura before I got the gestures...
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>>163299689
Well good fucking luck getting Heavy Abyysals then.

Why even make a "build" if you are offline? Just keep leveling until you eventually reach 50/50/50/99 and use whatever you feel like.
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>>163300101
But that would be gay as shit, I never go above 98, even when I'm offline...
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>>163299420
>>163299540
Best part of the game

Cathedral Ward fine I guess

Woods a shit muh poison

Burgertown 2small

Yaharhar fucking hell

Memesis lol frenzy awoooooman shit final boss

git rekt
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>get so FUCKING PISSED OFF AT CLERIC BEAST THAT I PUNCH MYSELF IN THE FUCKING NOSE!!!
THERES SO FUCKING MUCH FUCKING BLOOD HOLY FUCKING SHIT FUCK YOU CLERIC BEAST!!!!!!! FUCKING CAMERA KEEP FUCKING ME OVER!!!! FUCKING NIGGERFAGGOT!!!!! FUCK YOU CLERIC BEAST, YOU BROKE MY FUCKING NOSE!!!!!! FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!! FUCK YOU CLERIC BEAST FIUCK THIS I'M THROWING MY FUCKING PS4 OUT THE WINDOW FUCK IT!!!! FUCK IT HIT A FUCKING DOG, I KILLED A DOG WITHJ MY PS4 IT FUCKING DIED, AND IT MADE THE CLERIC BEAST SOUND WHEN IT DIED!!! FUCK THERES SO MUCH FUCKING BLOOD I'MS TANDING HERE COVERE D IN BLOOD PUNCHING MYSELF WHILE A DOG IS DYING OUTSIDE MY WINDOW, THE OWNER IS SCARED SHITLESS, SOMEONE IS CALLING THE KCOPS, I!!!! I¨'M GOING TO KILL THOSE SSNITCHES, AND I'LL DIE SHOOTING THE COPS! FUCK YOU CLERIC BEAST!
FUCK YOOOOOU!!!!
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>>163298340
Since you forgot to put on Henryk's set
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Give me some cool lore stuff that you guys have thought of/ or found
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>>163300741
is this pasta?
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>>163298340
>>163300741
So this is the hot new meme around here, huh.
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>>163300741
>AND IT MADE THE CLERIC BEAST SOUND WHEN IT DIED!!!
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So when farming for gems I should copy my save onto a flash drive right before the boss door?
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DO NOT DIE WHILST FARMING MOBS FOR GEMS IF YOU ARE GETTING GOOD DROPS.

the RNG in this game is so fuckimg streaky and dying resets it, I got 6 Adept gems in a row from a red aura madman, then after I died no gems at all for 7 runs until I died again. I've theorised this before but this is proof (or if not, a 1/100000 chance). Adept gems are rare, getting that many in a row is unheard of. Unless hunters marks don't reset RNG alignment. But death certainly does.

If you are feeling lucky, do not die at any cost. If you are feeling unlucky, restart the application.
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>>163302001
Sometimes you get lucky. Chalk it up to confirmation bias, I've gone dozens of runs in a row without getting anything useful.
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>>163301889
Get blood bullets if you need them, then walk through the door then quit out so you don't have to wait through the door opening animation every single time
Also, start the game up in offline mode before backing up the save so its automatically on offline and you don't waste time waiting for it to connect every time
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Anyone for regular BSB? Could use a hand, this playthrough I'm going ARC and am pretty weak right now. Ringing outside fog. Pass:

bbg
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>>163302524
One more thing, make sure your flash drive is formatted in exFAT, not FAT32, the difference in transfer times is huge
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>>163302726
Anybody up for it? I can repay the favor on a different character.
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>>163303329
>>163302726
>needing help for bsb
you have the saw spear, right?
you don't need any fucking help.
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>>163302726
>>163303329
Dodge left, anon. You don't even need the dodge button, in fact. Get some Fire Paper too, or pop a beast blood pellet if you really need to.
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>>163302726
>>163303329
LOOK AT THIS FUCKING NOOB GUYS!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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>>163303586
>>163303773
>>163304132

Shitposters aside. If you still need help I can in about 10 minutes
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>>163304209
I'll just tough it out. Thanks anyway.
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>tfw poison builds will never be viable in PvP
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>>163304404
>rapid poison logarius
>not viable
pick one
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Does weapons still scale with STR/SKL if I put use fire bloodgems?
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>>163304976
No. The fire gems mean that the weapon will scale from arcane alone now.
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Guys, I'm trying to find the Hunter of Hunters, I'm already at the point where I have to kill Wet Nurse and I've already helped her killed Henrick(?) does anyone knows where she should be?
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>>163305563
She should be at Grand Catherdral You cant fast travel there you have to walk from Catherdral Ward if you can fast travel there then gg it means no Hunter . i think you were supposed to go there after killing rom
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>>163305927
Yeah I can't, I thought that had to do with the DLC. Thanks.
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My inner Hitler dictates I always finish Vicar Amelia with a molotov, fucking gold clutching jewess.
>TFW have to wait until NG to gas her to death like the filth she is.
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>>163306627
I now have the strong desire to make hitler and exclusively use the rosmarinus
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>>163306627
>not using exclusively flamesprayer
let us cleanse these foul streets
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>tfw made my first character with the intention of leaving him at lvl 100, an appropriate level for pvp and fight clubs
>after beating the game, I found the game so fun that I just want to keep playing
>dont want to start over from scratch on a new character
> want to keep using the same character I've spent so much time creating and developing
>decided "fuck it" and have continued playing him and keep leveling him up to 120 and beyond in NG+
>will probably boost him to even higher as I keep going the cycles
>tfw forever overleveled


>>163306627
rude
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>>163307145
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>>163307217
FUCK THAT, I've never killed finished the game, I kill Wet Nurse and just make a new character, trying wacky builds is what makes this game.
>>163307328
SIEG HEIL!
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>decide to be a lot more ruthless with my latest character
>kill Adella
>feel bad
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This is the only offshape I've ever seen in 300 hours. And it's fucking garbage.
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>>163307575
Adella a slut
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>>163307328
He looks bald
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Anyone want to help with Lower Pthumeru Rom? I could beat her on my own, but I've done it so many times now I just don't want to bother.

Pass is bbgrom. Word of warning, I only have ten vit.
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Have you ever fluffed up your character or one if your characters as something specific? What were they?
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I hate myself for not being able to kill a piss easy boss like Loran Darkbeast. The problem is I can't fucking hit him.

Camera tracking is worthless and even when locked on nearly all my attacks miss. I lock on to dodge then unload my attacks on his legs but somehow I still manage to whiff 50% of my attacks. Even worse, I sometimes get stuck underneath him and can't get out in time before he roars, especially when he's super charged. The camera is harder to beat than the actual boss.
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>>163308171
Loran Darkbeast is way fucking easier to fight unlocked. Every big boss is like that, honestly.
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>>163264380
No, but it must be your first time if you don't understand why it has 21 end.
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>>163308116
>fluffed up your character
What did he mean by this?
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>>163308336
Except for Ludwig
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>>163304680
>PvP
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I did it. I did it, lads. I finally beat all the chalice dungeons. Off to make my first FRC
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>when you backstab logarius perfectly during his gay-ball summoning, but he dones't get backstabbed because fuck you and you die due to infinite damage ball
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA GOOD GAME!
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How good is gatling gun ? I wanna make a build around it and cheese people/bosses i care not for str or skill ill simply use saw cleaver i just want maximum damage on my Gatling Gun
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>>163307575
If you wanna be ruthless kill the cathedral guy . i did it for formless oedon rune and i regret it ever since
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>random co-op against Orphan
>the host stands back as me and the other cooperator do all the work, does not participate
>he comes in at the last second to score in a hit
>does the "Brush Off Dust" gesture
Guy really
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>>163309047
It's alright in pvp if you focus around putting pressure on the enemy or as a finisher, but it's not quite reliable as a pure damage dealer.

It's not viable in PvP at all though, it doesn't do anywhere near enough damage to take down a boss.
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>>163308351
fucking got 'em, mate.
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>>163309681
Those kinds of hosts are the ones that I either purposely lead the boss to or just blank out. If they aren't going to fight, then neither will I.
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>>163308171

I play unlocked and use mash R1 using the pimp cane. He goes down so quickly. Just walk up to him, roll when he does his swipes to end up underneath him, mash R1.
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>>163309191
>literally the shittiest version of FO
>when there's a better one right over his head
That's not ruthless, that's just murderhoboing.
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>>163308171
>throw a molotov at him
?
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>>163308039
Anyone? I'm BL67, if it matters.
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>>163309925
Yeah, the Dark Beasts are one of the bosses you should fight with out lock on, the other most notable one being the BLBs.

>>163309883
High five, bro!
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>>163308768
Have you ever faced Grumpy Pete and his wheel emporium in a fight club?

I once got rapid poisoned and slow poisoned in two attacks, then rapid poisoned again.
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>>163309925
How much damage were you doing to him? I hit him for around 300-400 and he has like 21k hp. I can only get 1 hit in, 2 if I'm lucky since he moves around so much while I'm under him.
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I just killed Master Willem for his rune and I feel really bad about it.
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>>163311571
>Putting the closest thing in BB to a potato out of misery
Good work
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>>163311293

I use an arc build. My fire cane hits about 450-550. He stuns quickly, keep mashing. He is actually ridiculously easy once you play unlocked. Just get the roll timing for his AOE attack down and you are good to go.
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>>163312140
It's one of those bosses that I know when to dodge every attack but still get hit through it. His attacks are so telegraphed and easy to read but somehow still hits through my iframes.
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how do i build 50/50
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What was Rom like before she ascended
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>>163311571
He's responsible for everything in the game happening.
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Why did they make the Great Pthumeru Chalice such a joke after the Cursed and Defiled Pthumeru Chalice was so hard?
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>>163313107
Not him but MW didn't really want Laurence and the church going hog wild with the old blood. Maybe he led to it happening due to his discoveries and founding Byrgenwerth but he certainly didn't approve of it.
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>>163313107
>>163313369
>>163311571
>implying that he didn't deserve to suffer for what he did to Our Mother Kos
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>>163313174
Because the Cursed and Defiled chalice exists to serve as a taste of what end-game spelunking will be like. Hard as balls the whole way through.
Just be thankful that it was Cursed Pthumeru, not Cursed Lower Loran or Cursed Isz.
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>2016
>not being an ayylmao
What the fuck is wrong with you guys?
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>>163313553
But after Great PC, you've fought all the unique chalice bosses, so...isn't spelunking over?
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>>163313174
The bosses in Defiled are super easy. The bosses in the following chalices are harder. "Hard bosses in easy levels" and "easy bosses in hard levels" has been a thing since DeS.
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>>163313924
No, not unless you want FRC gems. You make FRC Depth 5 chalice dungeons and spelunk/farm them. Imagine Lower Loran and Great Isz, but with the health penalty of Defiled Pthumeru, and far worse. FRC Ihyll, Isz, and Loran is where things get real. Defiled Pthumeru is easy as fuck.
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>>163313924
Not even close. It's barely even begun at that point, to be honest. Half of the reason to go spelunking is for the top-tier gems, the other half is for the fun of it.
Given the fact that as long as you've got the resources, you can continue creating fresh, uncharted chalice dungeons, the potential for dungeon crawling is effectively infinite. If you're the kinda guy (like me) who likes dungeon crawling, then I can guarantee that CRF dungeons will be a source of entertainment and fun for a looooooong time.
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>>163314060
Well the concept of a top tier to the gems kind of rubs me the wrong way.. I like the idea of always wondering what the next gem drop will be and if it will be better than my current ones, whereas if I analytically read up on how exactly to get the best gems possible in the game, a lot of that interest is lost.

>>163314205
Are the unique resources that don't respawn or drop from enemies (bastards of loran, red jellies, etc) to create the chalices a diminishing resource, such that you can create a chalice dungeon and not get back anywhere close to what you put into it? What does one do then?
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>>163313369
If it weren't for Willem's dissatisfaction with the limitations of human intellect, a personal problem of an arrogant scholar, he wouldn't have started digging around the Labyrinths, never would have learned of the Eldritch Truth or found the Old Blood.

And besides, he can disapprove of the use of blood all he wants, he was still excavating the skulls of murdered villagers for eyes to prove his theories correct. Let's not forget, too, that the Choir and Mensis are the continuation of Byrgenwerth's ideals and experiments - human experimentation is the name of the game, blood or no. 'Evolution without courage', without sacrifice and the will to succeed.

It all leads back to Willem. If it weren't for him, the Pthumerian civilization and its unspeakable truths would have remained mouldering underground until such a time that maybe humanity would be ready, we can only hope.
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>>163311829
But he was just sitting there on his favorite rocking chair, barely doing anything even though he transcended humanity. Though I was a little sketched out that his chair disappeared along with him. I didn't kill him on my first run, but I never went back to Byrgenwerth after Rom. Does he just sit there still?
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>>163314704
You go into NG+ if you want to actually do spelunking on the regular. In NG+ you can buy ALL chalice materials through a combination of Insight and Blood Echoes. There's also the SRRC and Glyphs for those times you do happen to be running low on materials or resources.
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>>163314704
You don't need to look up glyphs for specific chalices to know that the best gems only drop in the deepest chalices.
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>>163314704
You'll find ritual materials in the FRCs you spelunk, but certain ones are a bit rarer. I personally have a hard time coming across Yellow Backbones, but Sage's Hairs and Bastards of Loran are plentiful.
>What does one do then?
You can either move to NG+ to spend insight on new ritual materials, or just do what I do when I'm low on FRC materials and just spelunk a random FRC chalice on the public server. They don't consume any materials, so you'll be making a profit from what you do find in them, as well as the benefit of spelunking.
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>>163314979
For yellow Baxkbone just kill Sword+Shield chalice Knights. I amassed 99 of them while farming scorpions for poison gems, one of the Knights was nearby and dropped Yellow Backbone about 70% of the time.
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>>163314959
But if the chalices absolutely need to be FRC for the absolute top tier gems to even have a chance to drop then that's a bit more arcane than the less specific "chances of better gem drops on depth 5."

I have some phys attack +19% or so gems that dropped way before I got to depth 5 though, so depth 5 chalices haven't entirely been that great of a gem endeavor for me.

>>163314979
>>163314953
Makes sense then. I wasn't aware that NG+ made more chalice materials buyable
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For anyone who didn't know, Udon are doing a 250 page artbook for Bloodborne early next year.

Not hardcover though, unfortunately.
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>>163315524
Yeah, I know. I only encounter Sword+Shield warriors once in a blue moon in my chalices. Rarely seen them throughout all my spelunking, but I'll make sure to farm them whenever I find one again.
Still looking for a fucking hole digger enemy, the elusive unicorn of chalice dungeons.
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>>163314205

>source of entertainment

Not that guy, but I just got around to making some myself. I can get through most of them just fine, but some dungeons just seem impossible without co-op. 2 bell maidens summoning spiders from the git go, 2 NPC's, fire witches spamming at you, old keeper with his dumb ass dogs all in the same room. What the fuck am I supposed to do? Also found random HMPH fuckers wandering about. How can you beat all these fucks and still make it with enough vials to the boss. Running past everything feels lame.
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>>163315584
>>I have some phys attack +19%
Those aren't even better than the gems you get in the DLC.

Depth 5 FRC chalices are where you find the best gems most of the time. Just run those if you don't want to look up specific glyphs or you are playing offline.
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>>163315584
> I have some phys attack +19% or so gems that dropped way before I got to depth 5 though, so depth 5 chalices haven't entirely been that great of a gem endeavor for me

You can get 20.3% physicals (24% blunt/thrust) before Amelia. Depth 5 FRC is 27%, the difference is noticable.
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>>163314935
>ywn sit on a rocking chair overlooking a lake, contemplating life and its mysteries for the rest of your life
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>>163315787
Was this all in the same dungeon? If so, do you still have the glyph? I'd like to see this hell-portal disguised as a chalice dungeon.
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Anyone wanna help me fight living failures or maria ?
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>>163315787
Just learn to deal with them, lure them away. For spiders, just locate the source and hightail it to the bell maiden. You'll learn to do it all on your own. Tons of persistence is all you need. And sometimes, running past things really is the best option to save you from the pain.
5wj2xkmkx
Glyph above was a particularly grueling chalice. 3 fucking Bone Ash Hunters in the first layer, Pthumerian Elder as the Layer 2 boss, and the Layer 3 pre-lamp area had a whopping 3 fucking bell maidens all spawning red spiders.
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I'm glad people are still playing this game, much better than the boring mess that was DS3
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>>163315848
>you've transcended humanity and have control over things people can't even understand
>so you say fuck it and make your favorite chair a part of your body for maximum comf
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>>163315886

Hell, no. Deleted that shit right away. I'm not into S&M. BTW, the HMPH fuckers were not in that particular dungeon though, I absolutely dread them when cursed.
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Does using the gatling gun beside an evelyn in pvp have any extra utility that the evelyn doesn't have?
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>>163315816
>>163315805
While the difference between say 19 and 27 may be noticeable, the extra 8% just doesn't really make me that covetous. Especially not enough to just keep going into the same chalice and grinding enemies over and over hoping for a drop. Mostly I just take what I get along the way of progression
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>>163316281
Damn it, I was hoping to engage in some top-tier suffering.
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>>163316463
That's what I am saying. The DLC Frenzy Dolls drop 22s. So anything less than 22 from chalices is a waste, especially since the Frenzy Dolls drop droplet gems, which can fit in pretty much all slot shapes.
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>>163316463
>the extra 8%
with three gems that adds up to 24, or about the equivalent of one more gem
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>>163316048
Checking that glyph out. I once had three goddamn hunters and a cannon Undead Giant in the same big room. But, I gave that up entirely. It was absolutely unbelievable. I wish I still had the glyph.
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is a bl4 run worth it?
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>>163316731
Not really. It is basically just a don't get hit run. Gems take most of the challenge out of it.
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BB is the easiest soulsborne game. I was never able to get through NG+ in DeS, DaS and DaS2 was as hard as a ng+ so I wouldn't even attempt that shit. But I got to the end of ng+ in BB easily. There are no roadblock bosses. It's just so easy.

Was I playing the souls games wrong by going medium roll rather than fast roll? Is BB essentially a fastroll game? But that still wouldn't speed up the sippy animation to BB vialbreak levels.
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>>163316048

That glyph doesnt sound too bad. My pure arc build does really well in nasty dungeons. As long as they dont have lethal combinations of enemies in the same room, I'm fine. You know like a couple of NPC's while witches on the second floor are throwing fireballs at you.
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>>163317031
>BB is the easiest soulsborne game.
I think it was one of the hardest, actually, especially for Vets because they have to spend a decent amount of time unlearning shit.

>Was I playing the souls games wrong by going medium roll rather than fast roll?
Most definitely.

>But that still wouldn't speed up the sippy animation to BB vialbreak levels.
Doesn't need too. The DaS bosses had patterns and predictable recoveries. You could easily pop a heal during those recovery times.
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>>163317031
There's no way in he'll BB is easier than DaS3
I only died to 3 bosses on my virgin run in that one, and only one of them more than once
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>>163317031

I agree, it is the easiest game, but I still love it the most. I think because it was the last game in the series I played and already mastered the way to play these games.

>>163317302

I found Nameless King the only hard boss in DS3, but think he is ten times harder than Kos, Ludwig etc. The iframes in DS3 and BB are just too good.
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>>163317031
The dodges in BB are roughly around the fast rolls in DaS in terms of iframes, I think.
Fast rolling completely trivializes the first Dark Souls, nothing is even close to fast enough to react to your movement speed when you reach that point.
Even so, I never had trouble with NG+ in Dark Souls while midrolling, but having crazy high STR and the Demon's Greataxe no doubt helped a bit.
Demon's Souls has an insane jump in difficulty between NG and NG+, so that's to be expected.
NG+ in BB is a pretty small difficulty increase, comparatively.
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>>163314935
>>163315848
>>163316130
Nigga was a mushroom that couldn't even talk. What was that nasty, spooky fucker even turning into? Did he even know? I think he points us towards to Rom so we can fuck over Mensis, the final remaining splinter of Byrgenwerth, because he's discovered that this shit was not worth it. So, wipe it all out and let it be forgotten.
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Phtumerian Descendant, Phtumeru Ihyll, LVL.105 ringing at the lamp L1, the pass is bbg, anyone up for it?
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Should I go 30str/15skl/50blt for a bloodtinge build or should I just focus on skill and bloodtinge? My main weapon will be the bloodletter which only scales blt when tricked but I'd like to use other weapons too so I'm wondering if I should go strength for big guns or skill for more weapons
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>>163317270
>I think it was one of the hardest, actually
Why? I mean what are the bosses that just block progress? Plus BB has tons of optional areas which means even if you're stuck at one boss you can go off and do some optional areas to gain more echoes which will incrementally help you overcome that boss. That's a lot more friendly than one boss just blocking progress to the next area and there's nothing else for you to do but keep trying or actually grinding in the same old areas you've been through.

>The DaS bosses had patterns and predictable recoveries. You could easily pop a heal during those recovery times.
Theoretically perhaps, but--at least for me--in practice it never is quite that simple or else I wouldn't die at all unless I got stunlocked

>>163317413
>I agree, it is the easiest game, but I still love it the most.
Same. It's far more visceral and action oriented. At first I was kind of put off by not being able to upgrade attire and less weapons but I got over that because the combat just feels better.

>>163317592
>Even so, I never had trouble with NG+ in Dark Souls while midrolling, but having crazy high STR and the Demon's Greataxe no doubt helped a bit.
DaS ng+ I was able to make it pretty far but Ornstein and Smough put an end to that. If I had gotten past them I would've been able to beat the game probably unless the DPS Check Kings require much much higher DPS in ng+.
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>>163317413
BB seems to have far fewer cheese methods than any other souls games though. Magic doesn't get strong until late game, the bleed equivalent (which is how I took a twink with +4 weapons to ng+ with ease in das3) is utterly worthless, and the highest damage gems are locked behind chalice dungeons
Once you know the ins and outs of the other games it's a breeze, with the exception of das2
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>>163317948
It's the hardest because of variable combos on the parts of the bosses and and having to unlearn most of what you know from the previous games.

It's not theoretical. It is truth. You could just bait out an attack, roll away, then heal during their attacks and recover and there was nothing they could do.

If you weren't fast rolling or flipping then you were doing it wrong.

>>163318138
BB has plenty of cheese. Papers + BBP + Saw Spear is the standard cheese, and there are boss specific cheeses too.
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>>163318138
Cheesing is something one shouldn't even try to do on the first playthrough though.
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>>163317948
O&S really just require an incredible amount of patience on higher NG levels. Their solo forms really don't become any more difficult.
Four Kings on the other hand get absolutely absurd after NG+.and beyond. With an AR above 700 I could just barely keep up with them by tanking on NG++. I can't even imagine what NG+7 is like.
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>>163317727
sure omw
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>>163318138

>far fewer cheese methods

I feel everything that is not humanoid has not the best AI in Souls games. Just hug their ass or stay underneath them, I always found the monster bosses the easy ones in every Souls game. They definitely can be cheesed and outsmarted easily.

Humanoid bosses just lend themselves for better AI, e.g. Fume Knight, Nameless and O&S. Kos was the hardest fight in BB and he is humanoid too.
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>>163317727
>>163318580
I'm ringing now
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>>163318580
Thx.
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> Paper + Pellets is a cheese

No it's not, it's just a powerful setup using basic items the way they were intended to be used.

BB has almost no real cheeses, Pthumerian Descendant getting stunlocked by Blacksky Eye and killing abhorrent using 20 poison knives and running in circles being the only two I can think of.

And even then, nothing compares to using arrows from outside the fog wall in DeS, or getting bosses stuck on geometry.
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>>163318943
Amygdala jump cheese?
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>>163318724
Thanks boss.
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>>163319146
cheers bigears
I'm on standby if you need help on BLB
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>>163318943
>or getting bosses stuck on geometry
You can cheese Gascoigne till his beast phase by using the gravestones, though. His retarded AI will just attempt to run through them.
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>>163318329
>It's the hardest because of variable combos on the parts of the bosses
So sometimes 3 swipes and sometimes 5 and the like? I'm kind of ambivalent on that for some reason. Like it could be annoying getting caught in it but I never felt it really made a BB boss much, much harder than it would be otherwise. Mostly what gets me is just enormous hitbox attacks like some Vicar Amelia swipes. No idea why Amygdala was easy for me though given when I fought him in Chalice it was 20x harder than the regular battle and he has said enormous hitbox attacks. Could be I fought him late since I didn't go to NF early.

>and having to unlearn most of what you know from the previous games.
I guess not playing a souls game for around a year before playing BB helped me? Also I'm not a heavy PVP 'lifestyle' player so I have far less muscle memory in them.

>It's not theoretical. It is truth. You could just bait out an attack, roll away, then heal during their attacks and recover and there was nothing they could do.
It doesn't always work. Sometimes you'll think you're far enough away and the boss will rush in fast enough to interrupt the heal. Happened a lot to me in the Smelter Demon (his room is just too small for me), Ruin Sentinels and Royal Rat Authority in das2.

>If you weren't fast rolling or flipping then you were doing it wrong.
I guess I just so wanted those larger defense numbers, but fatrolling felt bad so I had to avoid that.
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What kind of gems do I want for moonlight greatsword?
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>>163319414
WE HAVE LINKS IN THE OP FOR A REASON
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>>163319414
I'd just go physical on it so star/tri/star. Maybe some arcaners would want to do an arcane build for it but I feel like the arcane damage is tempered by the fact that the two handed mode has higher stamina costs and a worse moveset than 1 handed in many cases
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>>163319414
Nourishing gems.
Read the fucking OP.
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>>163319584
How about you read the fucking OP. It says no gays allowed.
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>>163319196
Alright, I'll be on for 3 more hours so I'll let you know.
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>>163319414
Nourishing abyssals. 21.5% attack up triangle and waning from Amygdala, 19.5% attack up radial from Rom. You can replace the radial with a 19.3% radial with a -50% secondary from gargoyles if you don't feel like putting up with FRC Rom.

Or if you're using it for the sword and not the moonbeams, a heavy abyssal and two 27% temperings.
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>>163318943
>> S Spear + Paper + Pellets is a cheese
Correct. Pop a pellet, apply a paper, tap r1, then spam L1 to infinity and beyond.

Amy Jump Cheese
Hotdog Nose Bop cheese
Gascan Gravestone Cheese
Gascan Music Box + Molotov Cheese
Just standing in Cleric Beast's ass crack cheese
BSB cocktail cheese
Maria corner trapping cheese
etc.

>>163319387
>Sometimes you'll think you're far enough away and the boss will rush in fast enough to interrupt the heal
I said during a recover, not "when standing far away,"

>I guess I just so wanted those larger defense numbers, but fatrolling felt bad so I had to avoid that.
Which really just proves you had no idea what you were doing.
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Is the tentacle arm a viable weapon for either PvP or PvE?
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>>163319762
>I said during a recover, not "when standing far away,"
Smelter Demon can recover and then flame sword your ass from across the room. He's done it to me.

>Which really just proves you had no idea what you were doing.
Well you see that's a difficulty issue in, DeS, DaS and DaS2. You need to unlearn RPG "I want higher numbers" mentalities from past games and know to trust only the fastroll. In BB it just gives you easy mode by not giving you any choice but fastroll
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>>163320003
Arcfags think it is but they mostly just want to be able to cheese with 99 arc and tools
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>>163320143
DaS2 was a shit game in general.

>You need to unlearn RPG "I want higher numbers" mentalities from past games
False. "Not getting hit" has always been superior to "get hit but take reduced damage per hit."

>>163320003
It's good for CC. Axe is still better though.
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>>163320005
>killed Simon
Asshole
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>>163320371
>False. "Not getting hit" has always been superior to "get hit but take reduced damage per hit."
I'm talking about RPGs where you can't "not get hit" (barring automatic misses due to accuracy/evade checks) and where the numbers are all. You have to unlearn behaviors like that to learn the truth of fastroll. It doesn't help that every guide I ever saw for DeS and DaS said midroll was acceptable.
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>>163242008
You're just shit
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>>163320791
Kiddo, even in DnD you had options to roll for additional dodge chances and shit, and this isn't an rng attack/dodge system. It is an Action RPG, where you control whether you get hit or not.
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>>163319584
>>163319658

>Level 150: Don’t go here unless you are autistic.

I've naturally made it to level 180 from chalice dungeon exploring on a non PVP character. Am I autistic?
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>>163321136
>non PVP
Doesn't matter. You can go as high as you want.
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>>163321094
I'm talking JRPGs :^)
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>>163319196
Arcane here, yup. He has killed me about 7 times now without me even taking 30% of his life. Ringing again at the bell.
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Does anyone wanna fight living failures with me ? BL 40 here
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>>163321856
cheers, ringing
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>>163322039
>>163322039
>>163322039
New Thread
>>163322039
>>163322039
>>163322039
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>>163319272
>>163319067
I thought they fixed both of these
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>>163322025
Thanks, I want to try Yharman alone, if she seems impossible I'll post.
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>>163321992

Sure what pass?
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>>163322437
Pass is bbg2349
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>>163322627
Rang by the boss gate
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>>163322910
Omw i was chilling by simon
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>>163322910
I rang my bell
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