/dsg/ - Demon's and Dark Souls General

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>>163067897

Do Young Dragon and Bellowing Dragon rings stack?

>>163067791
I haven't played in months.

>>163067794
Ah, thanks.

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Spent some time on the old weapon tier list template and made this up. I talked with some other people about weapon placement yet I'd like more community consensus for this to refine it. Current placements I'm most unsure on are the Estoc and bows/xbows in general. Feel free to comment.

>>163068027
Goddamn he looks like Hackmon in the thumbnail.

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>>163068027

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>>163068091
You niggers are STILL doing this?

when is the next pc fuccboi event?

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I'm fighting this faggot on SL1 and I'm about to cut my balls off. Lend me your strength /dsg/.

>>163068173
just roll lmao

>>163068173
Roll left.

So, never played Dark Souls before, should I start with the first game or is 3 fine?

>>163068247
play 1 and drop the series

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I think I'm going to do it, /dsg/.

>>163068164

What did he mean by this?

>>163068027
How big is Seath's dragon penis?

>>163068345
-1 inches

>>163068345
Seath is a girl

God damn it. Two gankers I run into often keep appearing. One I can't even deal competent damage against the other one is just a faggot with two of his buddies. The one is actually decent whereas the latter is a fucking faggot and will chug all day while his buddies don't do any better. I kite them and knock out 70% of their estus flask uses but they kept having them I'm only +3 estus and 10 uses fuck these idiots I just hate that they aren't very good and can spam R1 to win against me. Thanks From Software.

>INSTAKILLED BY FLAME WHIP FROM THOSE FIRE DEMON THINGS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
MY SOULS

>>163068345
Big enough to fuck Gwynevyre.

>>163068091
Estoc is still top tier. Between quick swings, safety, range, tracking and making full use of leo, it's probably the best defensive weapon in the game.

>>163068980
I hope you're not the type who goes straight to it in PvP Anon. I swear to god, I'm still learning to parry that thing and when I do it's hilarious.

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>>163069068
I stopped using estoc. Free wins are boring.

>>163068980

I can see your points but I'm still hesitant on raising the Estoc up. The current strength of greatswords and even halberds after the most recent patch makes it so its very hard for an Estoc to effectively attack users of those if they are constantly doing staggered R1s. The same is true for Straight Sword/Curved Sword R1s if users of those are apply pressure correctly. Its reach is great but its far worse in dealing with those compared to the Flame Spear or Pole imo. Then again I have slightly less experience with the Estoc compared to either of those so my opinion may be biased which is why I wanted to ask people here as the list is in beta.

>>163066986

I unlocked FPS and did full AF override, and it did an amazing thing: Actually make sif look better and run better... except when he was on top of me. But that's okay, because before it was constantly changing but now it was perfect framerate EXCEPT when I was attacking (underneath him) where it got slow enough that I could deliberately time things in advance. Weird, but works. Beat him first try. Onto the undead dragon.

>>163069212

>Ley

Heh.

>>163068028
Yes

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>>163068729
>wahhhh I can't bully everyone I invade
Delicious.

Would it be OP for the Farron greatsword parry to be at least parrying dagger/parry shield tier in terms of the available frames?

>>163069212
Estoc at my level isn't anything at all even late level I found it to be disappointing I don't get why anyone bothers with it at all when there's a bunch more weapons that are good.

Which one is better in Dark Souls II.

Dark-infused Uchigatana

or

Dark-infused washing pole?

I need cheap arena wins to get chaos fireball and fill my cheevos.

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>>163069404
I dunno. Maybe? It's fine the way it is.

>>163069389
Nice bait. Kill yourself Redditor.

>>163069484
it is much faster to simply go to NG+++ than it is to get arena rank

regardless, neither, robflynn uninfused longsword, katanas are a joke against experienced players

>>163069540
Nah, that's exactly what it comes down to with you faggots.

You use the most meta set-ups, most underhanded tactics, and laugh all the while while reveling in any foul calls, because "that's just the game bro". Then when someone beats you at your own game it's "fuck you memehackzaki! ;_;"

You fuckers are beyond pathetic.

whats the best parry item to have?

>>163069738
Farron Greatsword.

>>163069417
The thing about Estoc is that it's (almost) unpunishable. It can pierce shields, it's thrust comes out too fast to predict or parry for most players, it has low equip requirements so you can cover any weaknesses, it has balanced scaling so you can pair it with other weapons, and unlike other rapiers it's not limited to purely thrust attacks... AND it has the longest range of those weapons.

When you get into high level PvP, punishing mistakes matters way more than an extra 10-20% damage, and when you're using a weapon that punishes well and can't be punished for using it, the margin of error you need to win is really wide.

Estoc looks like shit on paper and is terrible for PvE, but if used right it's one of the best weapons in the game for PvP. This applies to DS1, DS2, AND DS3.

>>163069641

Thank God.

>>163069890
Example:

In one of my DS2 builds I was power stancing LSS and Mirrah Greatsword. I could 2-shot people with my R1s, shield break them if they turtled, dead angle them if they tried to backstab, it was an awesome moveset on paper with both thrust and sweeping attacks, and high damage.

I traded those two weapons for a lowly estoc on the exact same quality build, and I was winning a lot more. Why? Because before I had to work HARD to punish people enough to get those 900+ damage hits in. But wit hteh estoc, I was chipping away 200-300 damage every few seconds. Every time they rolled or missed an attack = 200 health gone. All that time in most matches where it was spent on mindgames and positioning, with neither side taking damage? That was being filed with constant pokes and swipes.

>>163069690
I have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I'm invading at level 25 without any meta shit and killing people on ability alone, and having fun with it at least when I don't get ganked. Are you playing the same game as me fuckwit?
I don't care about meta, I will use underhanded tactics because that's how it goes and I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks about me. I get beaten at my own game all the fucking time. Can you seriously please fucking kill yourself?
I don't do anything you just claimed fuck off idiot. Those phantoms had 7+ estus flasks and 6 or 7 uses but didn't know how to use their weapons, know what HA was nor did they properly parry me whatsoever whereas I punished their parry spams, slapped them when they were exposed and use my crossbow effectively.

>>163069890
Okay. I would say DaS3 it would suffice but once one knows the timings to parry you and the phantom hitboxes don't fuck you over a person who knows what they're doing wont struggle against an estoc hell if you time rolls the phantom hitboxes wont land despite reach and speed.

>>163069484
Uchigatana for low-effort trading (better counter modifier) Washing Pole for range and unlocked play.

Uchigatana will do a lot more damage.It's only 14 less AR but gets a higher counter modifier.

Washing pole's range makes it a better punishment weapon.

But for the GCF, just go into NG++ and buy it from Wellager.

>>163068334
for what purpose

>>163070209
That's true for every weapon in dark souls.

But it takes hours and hours and hours of practice and timing to be able to get perfect parry timing down for a weapon as fast as the estoc, which has almost no windup time. Meanwhile, it only takes a few minutes of using the estoc to figure out how and when to punish people equivalently.

No weapon is ever a 100% dominance over another weapon. But some weapons require less investment to optimize to maximize their performance and potential.

>>163070358
"""fun"""

>>163070376
>>163070209
>>163069417
>>163068091


Basically, a good way to figure out tier lists for Dark souls is to ask "How many hours of practice does it take to completely counter/shut down this weapon and its strategies, compared to how many hours it takes to master them?"

Something like the estoc takes way more time to learn how to counter and stop (assuming you use other weapons) than it does to pick one up and learn how to use/abuse it's benefits.

Niche builds that are locked into a single weapon can be top tier, like MLGS, as long as it still takes lot of effort to counter the strategy. But usually because niche builds necessitate some weaknesses, it's usually easier to exploit the weakness than it optimize the build.

>>163070627
>like MLGS
But MLGS sucks now.

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Why aren't you senpai's playing Let It Die™ - All your favorite Souls community streamers like Oroboro, Peeve and Scott Jund are! Remember, it's free to play as well - Start playing today!

>>163070678

>implying

das3 would be a tremendously better game if you could use the weapon art of your offhand

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>>163070697
>f2p

Fuck off with your shilling

>>163070697
I'm playing Pokémon™. It's a really good game. You should check it out. It's also free to play, too, if you computer can handle Citra's optimization.

>>163070678
I was referring to DS2's MLGS actually but it was just an example of a build that requires planning all your stats around a single weapon, and how that's not always a good measure of a weapon being 'good' or 'bad'.

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>>163070706
Am I really wrong? I love the thing so I'd be glad to be wrong.

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>>163070730
There's a reason why all of the Souls community have shifted to Let It Die™ senpai. It's the superior game (and free)!

>>163070697
Desperate ads just make people want to not play your game.

>>163070806

MLGS has been good for a while lad. The R2s still suck horribly but it's a single-stat greatsword that will get great damage from 40-60 INT compared to the investment needed for quality greatswords. That allows room for other stats such as vitality for poisetanking. It's also one of the longest greatswords and the 1HR1 greatsword buffs makes it terrific for rollcatching.

>>163070806
>leo ring on a split damage weapon

Doesn't this only boost the physical damage component of the weapon's AR when you land a counter

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>>163070697
>All the souls community

You mean a few streamers who make their money streaming video games, and always look for new games to stream?

Are you really going to call Let it Die superior to dark souls, here on a dark souls thread? Really? Is that what your focus groups tell you is what the 'cool kids on 4chan' want? Do you understand how basic marketing or advertising works?

This is just a shitty bait post, and I'm not going to dignify it with more thought than this. Get your paid-by-the-hour intern ass off 4chan and try to learn what your customers actually want instead of being another Me Too marketing scam.

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>>163070806
At least post backsteps that work, sonny.
>the hitboxes on this weapon
laughing since march

>>163070915
I was experimenting to see what it would do, and lucky that guy walked right into that exact set-up twice for me.

Leo Ring seemed to make it do 1more point of damage

>>163070886
Fair, I guess, but, it sucks as poisetanking for its class (thanks, Drakeblood), and it's awful against glaives for the same reason. If its R2s were DaS-tier maybe I wouldn't complain, but it just seems like a really shitty weapon this time around.

>>163071053
>>163070886
Bingo. Same reason why Raw LSS and Enchanted MLGS are considered high tier in DS2. You get 95% of the damage with half the stat investment. Also because Enchanted MLGS doubles as a heavy shield, a must-have for melee casters.

>>163070697
F2P, P2W-literally

No thanks.

>>163071053
>Fair, I guess, but, it sucks as poisetanking for its class (thanks, Drakeblood), and it's awful against glaives for the same reason.

Drakeblood is far stubbier then the MLGS so you can outrange it with 1H or 2H R1s when spaced properly. Glaives are also shit on by greatswords unless glaive users space well since the poise changes in the Ariandel patch. It's pretty much impossible for a glaive user to tank a greatsword hit and if you have good poise you can outdamage them with a full combo.

>If its R2s were DaS-tier maybe I wouldn't complain, but it just seems like a really shitty weapon this time around.

Here's the 'problem' with the MLGS and most greatswords in 3. They are very good at poise trading with 2HR1s with 1HR1s used to rollcatch or outspace opponents and nothing else. The only useful greatsword R2s are the thrusting ones like Claymore and Hollowslayer. Now greatswords are terrific at doing things but the playstyle might not be up your alley.

>>163070697
Did Suda51 kill himself after realizing the final product you guys made out of his design? I love Suda51, I can't imagine him greenlighting this development hell pay to win "viral marketing" shit.

>>163071287
Dude just accept it. It's the reality for every videogame from now on. We're in the smartphone era. People BOUGHT PS4 Pros. A ton of people bought PS4 Pros. Abandon all hope.

>>163071368
>A ton of people bought PS4 Pros
How is that a bad thing? Tons of people bought N64 expansion packs or upgrade their PCs too.

>>163071250
>Now greatswords are terrific at doing things but the playstyle might not be up your alley.
No that's the thing though, I loved poisetrading with it. I've never been great at ""rollcatching""(it all just looks like bullshit phantom hits to me, so the menial range difference between MLGS and Drakeblood doesn't mean shit to me: still wind up getting hit inexplicably from half a screen away while my shit misses), though.
Around the time Drakeblood became the greatsword meta I stopped playing to avoid Ariandel spoilers, so if there has been rebalancing I haven't gotten to see it yet..

>>163071439
May I remind you that 80% of the people who bought PS4s don't even know what a 4k TV is. Also how fucking terribly designed the console is in general, that fucking jet noise is atrocious.

And yet, you know that if sony comes up with a PS4 Pro: This time it's good we swear edition in 6 months, the same people would buy it again. The same fucking mentality of the people who buy the new samsung galaxy or new iphone every 3 months.

>>163071368
Nothing wrong with a PS4 pro. Let it die, honestly, is probably a fun game.

But this 'use microtransactions to fund viral marketing' trash? No. And in interviews they seem to think that "shortening the grind" is some ingenious way of avoiding pay to win.

It's like there's a good game buried under all the desperate marketing.

So after all these months has anyone here made a remotely/acceptably attractive waifu in dark souls 3?

>>163071563
>>163071439
to add to this post, the expansion pack for n64 gave even more to the console for less than a tenth of the price of the console while ps4pro is a bunch of nothing, and it doesn't seem a bunch of developers will even care to patch their games to the new hardware. BB@60fps is a pipe dream.

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>>163071585
I like mine.

>>163071445

>around the time the Drakeblood became the greatsword meta

Drakeblood was never the greatsword meta, it's just a lesser Hollowslayer that can temporarily gain more damage when buffed. The range really does matter to it assuming you don't have shit latency since you will miss hits with it if you're anywhere over a feet away from your target whereas the range of longer greatswords like the MLGS extends that a fair bit.

>>163071628
>>163071563
>>163071439

He's bitching about the PS4s as an aside thing, I think the main point is "most of the money being spent on games is poorly informed"

I think most of the people who buy PS4s know what 4k is. Most of them already know what 1080p is. They know what VR is. But I agree that most of the money behind the gaming industry is poorly informed. That's why publishers are so important in today's age, because low-information buyers are more subject to marketing.

Do I think the vast public is spending their money on the most efficient entertainment? Not really. You can get more fun emulating PS2 era games for free than buying the latest-and-greatest console. But I wouldn't judge anyone for dumping money on a PS4 pro, or upgrading their phone every 2 years.

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>>163071585
look no further

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>>163071585
Most people will be biased towards their own characters.

is SL28 +3 good for watchdogs? crux woods is my favorite area for pvp

>>163071761
I think maybe I've meant Hollowslayer this whole time.

>>163071719
You know what From did wrong?

Symmetrical faces. Real life faces aren't mirror images and it's uncanny valley when they are. All DS faces are perfect mirrored images.

I haven't seen a single webm here of anyone using Leonhard's sword.

Why are you all so boring.

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TAKIN' A SELFIE SILLY HOLLOWS

>>163071836
>>163071812
>>163071719

Why is it that all the waifus posted in this general are resting-bitch-face models?

If you want to make a pretty waifu, make her look like an actual person, not desperately tweaking eyeball width to make sure she looks like an expressionless sex doll.

I'd like to see people do what armored core guys do with their emblems. Print out pictures of an actually beautiful woman and then overlay them on your screen as you make the face match the image.

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>>163071846
Ought to be. Just don't go over 35. At least that was the limit when I did mine.

>>163071951
I actually didn't obsessively tweak anything. I used Similar Face to get that. Which is probably why.

>>163071628
So don't buy it. It's not like it has exclusive games or modes or anything.

What is a good stop-gap weapon to use before I get the Ruler's Sword in Dark Souls II?

>>163071951
because real girls are yuck

>>163070697
>favorite Souls streamers
>Oroboro
>Yukas
LOL

As far as Let It Die goes though, I've heard of a friend that it's pretty decent.

>>163071719
>Huge ayy lmao eyes
>>163071812
>Pale, lifeless face almost indistinguishable from a freshly deceased corpse
>>163071836
Pounds of shit-tier makeup caked on her face

It isn't possible to make an attractive face in ANY DaS game

>inb4 more images of ugly ass shitfus being spammed

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>>163071856

DaS2 had asymmetrical faces. You couldn't use them without CE tho.

>>163072009
Sun Sword, Mastodon Greatsword (Or Bastard Sword), Lost Sinner's Sword, Mirrah Greatsword (Claymore if you don't want to kill Lucatiel)

All of which are, honestly, better than the Ruler's Sword.

requesting the character collage that has been done before?

>>163072076
it's hard to get a tan when the world is dying

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>>163071951
>not desperately tweaking eyeball width to make sure she looks like an expressionless sex doll.
wat

>Print out pictures of an actually beautiful woman and then overlay them on your screen as you make the face match the image.
That's a little too ..."dedicated", even for me, and I did haphazardly model mine after a real chick.

>>163072173

But I thought the Soul bonus made it worth it

>>163072115
More fuckable than 90% of this thread

>>163072115
Isn't that just an npc face?

>>163072009
You should know that Ruler's Sword souls bonus doesn't actually work and that it's about the same power as the bastard sword.

>>163070845
The reason the Souls community "pillars" moved to it is because Souls isn't producing any views for them anymore. Well, Dark Souls pvp isn't and the only person who can make the PvE watchable is Lobos. So they jump to streaming meme games like Pokemon and Let It Die to try and secure their paycheck past the souls games.

>>163071439
The only benefit of the PS4 Pro is that it lowered the prices of regular ones since people are selling their normal psquadrupples to get the pro.

>>163072350

Why are they streaming as a career. Why can't they just have a job, and play the games they actually like on the side?

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>>163072260
>Isn't that just an npc face?

I don't think it is. It's something faceanon did. Like this one, he said this is supposed to be the default face.

>>163072350
>The only benefit of the PS4 Pro is that it lowered the prices of regular ones since people are selling their normal psquadrupples to get the pro.

Good enough for me. It means more people will get PS4s, and more people can experience BB.

>>163072413
No skills and looking for easy bucks.

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>>163072417

Male version.

>>163072220
the chin and jaw looks fucked up

>>163072413
For someone without kids it's a great source of income. Get paid doing what you love!

It's a shit long-term career because of the lack of job security or any kind of health insurances but as a means of getting extra sheckels here and there it's not bad at all.

IIRC Lobosjr quit his job at Bioware to stream full time.

>>163072224
You get about ~50 more AR over other greatswords if you walk around with 1m souls. you also have got the worst moveset and inferior range and counter modifier. It's got the bastard /mastodon 1H movest, but without the great 2H roll and dash attacks, if I remember right.

You're better off using a slower UGS like lost sinner's sword if you want the damage, or going for an easier to equip and better moveset weapon like Mirrah (which out-damages claymore at high scaling, or during counter hits) or Bastard (which out-damages mastodon when equipped with flynn's ring and countering)

It does have decent 'cool' factor though.

>>163072476
I actually picked up a PS4 yesterday

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>>163071951
At least it's not as bad as BB. I saw so many horrifying faces. Mine included.

>>163072574
Yeah, I like concave jawlines, but I think I went a bit too far on that one.

Was too scared to fix though since changing things impacts sliders for most of the rest of the face.

>>163072685
Corrrection, I got that wrong,

Ruler's moveset is Black Knight sword moveset.

The Black Knight Greatsword will out-damage Ruler's Sword, also, against all enemies before the DLC when fire infused. I think it's the strongest greatsword for pure PvE damage.

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>>163072778
I much prefer waifucrafting in BB.

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>>163072947
I had so much trouble with it it's not funny. I guess it didn't matter anyways as my fashion didn't let me see my face anyways.

>>163072947
She's cute, anyone ever made any cute brown girls?

>>163071928
>>163072947

DS3/BB character creators shit out autistic trannies, Demon's Souls creates FAS children, DaS makes potato faces and DaS2 makes yaoi gaymen.

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>those glasses

>>163072947
Shame about that chin.

>>163073081
>BB shits out autistic trannies
Makes sense Luci loves it so much.

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>>163073081
>autistic trannies
Autistic trannies be looking pretty good then if I do say so myself.

>>163073260
Michael is that you?

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We posting BB waifus now?

>>163072685
>>163072224

Doing some math...

40/40 (or 40/10 for mastodon, 40/20/20 for black knight) plus points for weight, with Rob Flynn, flynn damage reduced for anything heavier than 6 units)
Mastodon: 375 damage, 375 counter
Ruler's: 442 damage, 486 counter
Bastard: 369 damage, 442 counter
Mirrah: 375 damage, 450 counter
Drangleic: 385 damage, 463 counter
Black Knight: 401 damage, 441 counter (gains more of a bonus from buffing than other swords)

Drangleic ,Black Knight, and Ruler's all share the same moveset.

Claymore and Mirrah share the same moveset, and is better for thrusts/punishing

Bastard Sword and Mastodon share the same moveset, and is better for combos / rolls.

Decide for yourself if the soul scaling on Ruler's is worth it especially in a game with soul memory.

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>>163072947
Bloodborne just has better character models than DaS3. They look better in lighting, the skin looks like skin and not weird plastic textures, and the hair actually has volume and it moves,
IT MOVES ANON! Ds3 gaur us all static.

>>163073505
>gaur
*hair
time to sleep

>>163073486
Also, Majestic greatsword: 411 damage, 534 counter.

Majestic has a mix of claymore and bastard moves + unique ones.

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>>163073505
>Bloodborne just has better character models than DaS3

>>163073596
That's because of awful lightning, not character models, i wish bloodborne girls were thick like they were in DS1 and 2 though.

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>>163072778
My first character was pretty lazy because i just got the game and I just wanted to start playing right away

>>163073538
>I somehow didn't even notice the typo and read it correctly as hair
Time to sleep, too, I guess

>>163073652
The guys seem like they work better in general. That guy's pretty swag.

>>163073486
>>163073486

This is hard for me to pick, since the Ruler's Sword does have a good damage spread, but I need to inflate my SM to use it.

I may use the Mirrah Sword, but Dex scaling is shite in II. Or the Zweihander, or Drakewing Sword.

>>163073652
That's why my best looking characters are in DaS2. I was never in a hurry to play that game.

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>>163073696
my only regret is that hair clips through my favorite hat in the game

>>163073652

This is better than most characters I see in /dsg/

>>163073486
>>163073568
40/40 Zweihander: 456 damage, 593 counter
40/40 LSS: 500 damage 650 counter

So i have an okay-ish laptop not meant for gaming, DS1 will absolutely not run, should i try DS2, i've never played it before.

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>>163073728

>>163073917
That looks awful, i'm not sure if that's just your general incompetence or if it's just the game's awful character creator.

>>163073917
puking here mate

>>163073869
What's your graphics card?

If DS1 won't run at all (even in windows, low res mode) then DS2 probably isn't going to either. DS2 is better optimized but still requires decent graphics.

Throw your graphics card into Passmark. Mine can run DS1 and DS2 on 720p using this card:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Mobility+Radeon+HD+5650

If yours scores worse than that, then you should probably consider an upgrade before playing either game, unless you're fine playing in 480p.

>>163073262
HLMS might be fucking cool but the way you hold it untricked looks really retarded.

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>>163073997
>>163073956
I still got it.

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i suck at sliderfu but DaS3 has really bad character models 2bh

>>163074073
Well i have windows 10, DS1 runs but it crashes alot and runs like shit.
I have an AMD HD Radeon 8330

Speaking of waifus, I just got bamboozled hardcore by number 5 in the registry. Think there's a major typo in there somewhere.

>>163074121
Those both look like shit, i am now convinced you are just awful at this.

>>163074280
Well, line 5. Waifu 3 I guess.

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>>163074337
Here you go:
>(you)

Don't spend it all in one place.

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>>163074121
Nice rat-faces.

The only difference between niggers and all you are that niggers still have skill with running.

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>>163073059
depends on your definition of cute

>>163074516
I don't define "butch lesbian feminist" as "cute".

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>>163074516
>that man jaw
not cute

>>163074516
is that harry potter

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>>163074121
I like the right one. She does have a quirky face which I think is impossible to avoid with DS3's facial sliders, but at least she's cute.

Reminds me a little of Morrigan from Dragon Age: Origins. When she was still pretty.

>thread theme right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDKyj35ew0E

>>163074750
That's the one that ended up being my main character

>>163074694
[audible laughter]

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Guys, can you respec/change appearance without angering Sirris now?

I think I saw something like that in the patch notes.

>>163074121
Those are not good

is there anything you're good at?

new to this game and general, have a few questions for pvp

are there any good players here? I've been on generals for other games and I usually find the skill level to be just average

>>163075253
there are no good players here only huge egos

>>163075150
they fixed that ages ago anon

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>>163072947
waifu postan?

Does anyone else get the impression that DaS3 is way more enjoyable to do NG+ runs in? I'm going to be hitting NG+++ soon enough.

In every other souls game, I get to NG+ and just think 'fuck that' and never bother with it.

>>163075971
Does that lothric knight sword actually serve much practical purpose for you or do you really just have it there for the looks?

>>163076086
you mean DaS2

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>>163076086
a lot of players feel compelled to do multiple NG+ runs for more slabs/boss souls

also you have to go to ng+3 for every ring in the game

>>163076171
its mostly for looks, when i take caps of my character its normally in drakeblood with a claymore and some other sword on the hip, ingame i switch out weapons constantly because thats why i play quality builds in every souls game

>>163075971
nice British grandma face

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>>163076362
pip pip tally ho

Daily reminder that DaS3 is what it is because of all the DaS2 hate. You did it! Have fun playing it;^)

>>163077386
But I love both games

What are "artificial emotions"

>>163078958
Forced emotions created by shitting in references to a previous game.
>OMG THE GIANT IN AL IS DEAD WAAAH WAAAH
Who cares.

Did they ever patch tumblebuffing in ds3 ? Really wanna do CMW with MLGS that shit looks baller

>>163073869
You could try it out i cant run ds1 with all low settings but i cant run ds2 med to high 45 fps with youtube playing .
I hate how badly optimized ds1 is

>>163068091
Pickaxe should be at least in low high tier. With just 40 STR it reaches 500 damage per hit on counters and ain't that much slower than greatswords but with added bonus of using greathammer poise values. It's also a greathammer, not greataxe.

Friede's Great Scythe is worse than Corvian Great Scythe, i think their positions should be reversed.

Milwood battle axe deserves to be at the top of high tier because it has the highest damage output of all "light" weapon classes and can directly outtrade virtually any longsword or curved sword on top of having a very solid WA.

I think that Onyx Blade needs to occupy the top 3 greatsword slots because of an earlier HA startup and range alone.

Dragonslayer Swordspear is surely better than Partizan, Pike or Ghru's spear.

Arbalest should probably be in top tier given how much shit it can counter and all other good crossbows (knight crossbow with lighting arrows and light crossbow/heavy crossbow) really aren't far behind.

I'm really surprised that Lorian's UGS is valued lower than FUGS given that it's a good type of split damage weapon that also reaches most of its physical scaling with only 27STR while having a solid moveset as far as UGS go.

>>163079148
Not him, but I actually was quite upset when I saw that. That giant was my nigga for so many hours.

>>163079168
yes, closest you can do now is a pale-resin buffed MLGS

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Hey /dsg, is this thing worth the transposition?

>>163079637
well its better than the hammer

>>163079562
That sucks . i was hoping for cmw mlg or cmw gs of judgement.

>>163068091

Why is stormruler low?

>>163079637
If you use carthus beacon or have old wolf curved sword off hand yeah

I haven't played Souls in 2 months

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>>163079661
Thats what I figured. I've never gotten the hang of UG and most G weapons in DS3 in general, and not for lack of trying. Going for the ring then.

I mean heavy weapons are viable, but so much more tedious than being able to attack rapidly (varied attacks and dodges of course, not spam).

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>>163072476
>It means more people will get PS4s, and more people can experience BB
d'aww you're a sweetheart luci
and I just got a ps4 yesterday mostly for bb :3

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>>163080316
>mooning people

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>shoot a lothric knight with millwood greatbow
>it knocks him the fuck down
>hits him with explosion as well for more than a 1000 damage
>all per a single arrow and a bit of FP
So we can all agree that this is by far the best greatbow in franchise, right?

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I want some feedback on this fashion.

I'm thinking exotic desert pyromancer, inspired especially by Gothic and its Hashishin.

I'm not very far into the game yet so I don't really have much to work with, but at least the color scheme matches pretty good here.

>>163080979
Of course he is now a lot more padded than a desert dweller would be, but that is obviously because he is visiting a far colder region (Lothric).

>>163080979
sellsword hat + black hand set is a trademark ds3 sandnigger fashion
another contender is brigand set + sellsword hat

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>>163080979
>Gothic and its Hashishin

Mein Neger.

You can say what you want about Gothic 3's numerous flaws and obvious dated look now, but its desert towns and landscapes were comfy as fuck back then.

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Would anyone on PS4 be willing to gift me Karla's Hat and Deserter Armor?

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can someone on PC give me 3 Broken Straight Swords?

>>163082034
Do you want them +0?

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>>163081914

>>163082290
yes

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>>163081914
One more after this.

>>163080979
Poo poo pee pee pants haha

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>>163081914
Last one I made.

>>163082357
Sorry, I only have 2 +0 and one +10
I can drop the 2 for you, place/pass?

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>>163081914
Have a BB bonus webm though.

>>163082528
you'll have to place the red sign at the High Wall bonfire, i don't have the red soapstone, sorry
password will be sword

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>>163082446
>Poo poo pee pee pants

What the fuck are y..

Jesus Christ. All this time and I didn't notice.

>>163082607
thanks a lot! why did you get naked at the end though?

>>163083000
It was taking a while and I felt bad for taking up your time

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>>163081914

>>163083051
that's not a problem, this run is all about long fights, although the first time i did it i thought the sword is actually pretty ok

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>>163083125
I know your pain.

>>163081145
Don't forget how great they were combined with the fantastic soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgrgPqGoKk4

DaS3 is the best souls game by virtue of it purging out all of the twitch/streamer culture around the souls games.

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>>163083205
Not the same anon but I've done a hollow run using that as my main weapon, it was surprisingly fun, good luck!

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>>163081316
Bump.

I'd hate to have to wait til Irithyll for my favorite piece of headwear.

And while I'm being a begger I could really use a Simple Caestus. I could supply the Caestus.

If whoever helps needs anything I can almost certainly reciprocate with one of my other characters.

>>163083205
Ah ok, sorry then. If you want, I can roll back the save and drop you a third broken sword

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>>163083273
The soundtrack for that game, all parts, are some of the best fantasy RPG music I've ever heard.

I used to play this soundtrack a lot while playing Oblivion, with it's music muted.

Once every couple years I reinstall Gothic 3, install all the community fixes to make it actually smooth and playable, and have at it for a good 5-10 hours for nostalgia's sake. I would play it a lot more if the combat was better/fixable.

>dat music
>dat atmosphere
>dat open world
>dat snarky protagonist
>dat nothing to be had

>>163079815
Metalord Jund explains it well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URtfP6YVplA

tl;dw weakest damage and shortest range out of all greatswords; shitty WA

>>163083527
I could drop you the hat and armor m8 also can you pick up +9 weapons? Because I have a +9 Simple Caestus I could lend you as well.

>>163083527
that looks comfy with exception of cheek clipping through hair

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>>163083794
>tfw aggroing an entire rebel base
>15+ angry NCPs following you
>lead them to a nearby Orc town
>a literal riot breaks out in the street
>slaves start taking up arms
>magic is flying everywhere
>potentially quest vital NPCs dying left and right
>game lets you side with whoever you want
>mfw

No game has captured that magic since.

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>>163083372
thank you, i actually already did a run with this weapon but i used resins and DLC wasn't released yet. i also wanted to see how Yhor, NK and Gundyr will go with the recent poise buff, it's probably not very noticeable in NG though

>>163083779
i think 2 are ok actually, i will only need the 3rd one for one fight in the game but i can probably manage without it, thank you very much though!

>>163083897
I'm only level 18 so I don't know if I wanna catapult myself into that connectivity pool, but I appreciate the offer.

I'll definitely take the Hate and Armor though. Shall I set a pass? Or you could summon me. Whatever's more convenient.

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>>163082735

>>163068091
>DS Axe and ASS are mid-tier

Wat

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>>163083273
>>163083794
>>163084148

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>>163081914

I was the only invader in the world.

We still don't know what happened...

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>>163084180
Fun fun, I like to make my characters by groups, so most have different weapons, first it was my stereotype set that was pic related, after that I was gonna make a set of 5 enemies, I've done hollow, mimic and I'm about to finish black knight, then comes the hardest yet in my opinion, I'm gonna play a silver knight build but with the only weapon the silver knight has, the greatbow.

>>163084421
Maybe they got fucked up on the rafters inside?

Or didn't bring torches to a leech fight.

>>163084503
Keked at every name except Silver Bravepaw. 9/10

>>163084187
Well I checked my characters and none of them have deserter armor, my bad I thought I had it lying it around somewhere.

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>>163084602
Yeah, it was hard to come up with a furry nickname, so I just went with the first thing that came to mind.

>>163084564

All I know is I saw the blue down by the macaroni monsters so I jumped down with silver cat ring, he got away though and I lost sight of them and then that webm happened a while later. So I mean... it'd have to be somewhere he could get to within like 30 seconds of the ladder shortcut from the bottom area.

>>163084704
Ah that's fine. I didn't wanna farm for it if I didn't have to but really I just want the Hat lol.

>>163084707
Gotcha. I didn't get that it was a furry.

>>163084503
>some of you are okay
>doesn't have the reiterpallasch in right hand and Evelyn in left
Rest are good

>>163084857
If you want just the hat I can drop you it. Let's meet at High Wall, pass: karla

>>163084858
... I think you have the wrong game in mind, anon.

>>163084707
Could be that the phantom died by falling on the ladder somehow and the host getting killed by something else, or suicided to not give you the satisfaction maybe? Some people are idots.

>>163083794

G3 was my first open world game I still have the physical special-something edition here somewhere.
The music was really great and memoriable, I can still hear it in my head even so it was so long ago. But holy fuck was the game shit, luckily I didn't know any better since this was my first open world experience and actually finished it, despite some gamebreaking bugs.

which one of you shitters is Mr.Poppers invading people in dukes archive?

>>163084936
Hell yeah. Omw

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>>163084857
That's why I made him wear the wolf set + shield and the dragon tooth + head. He also uses flash sweat all the time.

>>163084949
I think that was meant for someone else, mate.

Why is the Greatsword Of Judgement a better MLGS ? Like seriously i love mlgs but when i switched over to GS of Judgement i had way better results and now i just pair it with a crescent moon sword for the eye candy WA

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>>163084858
...You know that I'm playing DS3, right?

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>>163084983
>G3 was my first open world game
I'm the guy you replied to and same here.

I recognize now that its a really brokenly unfinished game, with atrocious combat, a wonky leveling system, and is hardly playable at all without extensive modding and fixing.

However since it was my first experience like that my rose-tinted nostalgia glasses for it are pretty thick, which is why I still play it now and then.

The bad combat always makes me give up before I can finish it though. Who thought it was a good idea to have 5 second long, completely interrupt-able casting times that STILL consume a shitton of mana even if interrupted?

It makes 70% of the game's spells useless and I've yet to see a mod that fixes this.

Thanks!

It actually seems to go pretty good with Leonard's. Might not even farm for Deserter's.

Let me know if you need anything from the vanilla game.

>>163085365
No problem, Leonhard's is nice all around so not a bad combo. I'm all set for now though, thanks though..

>>163085171
I'm running a MLGS build now. Considering cutting down on ATT and END to squeeze in a GoJ too. Is it really that good?

>>163085352

There was no need for anything but melee anyway
>Enter town
>Spam attack until EVERYONE is dead because enemies leave you alone while you are attacking another enemy

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Is there a more-popular-than-the-rest god that I should choose in DaS2 so I get more connections?

>>163085796
ds2 has like 2500 players during active hours and i'm pretty sure most of them don't waste their ring slots for this shit so i doubt you will get anything

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>>163085646
I know, but ever since I first started playing video games (and before when I played pen&paper DnD with friends) I've loved being mages and wizards. Yes, I am "that guy".

I play a melee/pyromancer in Souls though.

Magic was really cool and diverse in Gothic 3, it just had that terrible interrupt-albe casting time.

>>163085645
It has a similar move set and better ar when you do the buff plus it looks baller af with the buff and of course it has the moonlight wave thing.

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>>163085913
>I've loved being mages and wizards.
Then you've really picked a wrong series because gothic's magic is largely atrocious unless you're 90% into the game, and that issue is not limited to 3 because it at least has mp regen

Souls games are bashed for shitty magic a lot and i agree that it's not that good compared to good ol' crpgs out there, but as far as ARPG go, it's certainly far from being the worst.

Does anyone have sliders of spooky skeltals?

>>163085796
Nobody currently playing the game will be using the ring, let alone using a specific god. Skip it.

>enter arena
>guy is basically Dio with The World teleporting around
>has washing pole
>check his profile after fight
>China
why am I not surprised?
still won tho

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>>163086121

Why is her foot so big

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Anybody wanna join me taking out Crystal Sage?

Heading straight for the boss. I'm at Crux Woods bonfire on PC.

Pass is dsg

>>163086338
Probably because its a special curved lens that slightly warps the image making the sword look longer, but also her foot look bigger.

>>163086401
Sure

>>163086401
Sign down

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>>163084943
>>163085232
Y-yes I knew that

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>>163086548

Thanks mane!

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>Need 2 more vitality to fit in top tier fashion combo
>Already at SL120
>Don't want to be a shitter and go to SL125

W E W
E
W

>>163086856
No problem famalam I really fucking hope this is your last character though, I helped you 3 times already and every time it was a different character

>>163086878
Cut 2 points of vigor. Two points alone won't matter too much.

>>163086878
and what's that top tier fashion you're speaking of?

Making a smough playthrough because it's fun, is the prisoners chain acceptable to use with all of that armor or should I just put in a different typical filler ring

>>163086878
Just upgrade your rings.

>>163087206
Just a mix of Fallen Knight and Vilhelm's sets. They actually mix pretty well and go with my edgy pyro knight.

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>>163081914
kek I killed jund didn't even realize it was him

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>>163087035
It is friend. I've made a point of it now.

>>163088358
lmao

>>163088358
Doing God's work, anon.

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>>163088358
>i really REALLY like black blade
>now every metafag is gonna flock to it
gee thx jund

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>>163088569
Best of luck my man.

>>163088959
oh no they might use the only semi-unique katana in the game instead of washing pole what a shame

>>163088959
*unsheathes running pole and leo ring*

>>163089098
>only semi-unique katana

Darkdrift exists, anon.

>>163088959

>every metafag is gonna flock to it

what

The Black Blade is nothing more than mid-tier. Scott explains its shortcomings many times.

Metafags will avoid it, de fuck are you talking about?

>>163089239
hope so

>>163087313
>not edgy bleed katana user

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1VN3FHFY5l5

>>163089239
Nobody likes Scott bringing light to techs for their special snowflake weapon because anyone using it knows most cool things already and would rather not have its secrets known.

any low level sunbros here wanna help me kill 4 kings (im lvl 8 on steam)

>>163088358
>using a katana against someone with a shield

Why tho?

>>163089609

Plus jund told the world about the WA shield skip glitch, I'm just happy he hasn't figured out certain other glitches which are really useful and I hope the world doesn't find out about so I can keep abusing them.

>>163090060
>he tries to follow up a running r1 into another r1 vs. a shield and thrusting sword
really makes you think

>>163088358
kek, you made it into his video

>>163090178

I really wish I ever got to fight him using these meme weapons which I guess he refuses to switch away from for the sake of his meme videos.

I only fought him twice and both times I was destroying him and then he unzipped the pre-nerf CCS and killed me.

>FUGS essentially made even worse by the poise changes due to the ungodly amounts of VIT you need to stack (on top of just being able to wield the weapon) to make any use HA

do i really need to install some connectivity improving program for DaS1 steam invasions or is the game just so dead online that im not getting any

>>163079380

Pickaxe is lower because of its range and lack of reach compared to the Great Club/Yhorm's, it's very good at trading but you can be outreached by almost anything with it.

Friede's is great due to the speed and general recovery of the WAR1 that allows it to better deal with poise weapons then the Corvian despite slower 2HR1s.

Milwood is great but the general slowness of axes still and inconsistency of the WA comboing into an R1 lowers it for me, its the sheer damage might make me move it up however.

Onyx Blade has an earlier HA startup? That's news to me but if so I might consider it, though all the top 6 greatswords are equally as valid to me for different reasons, it's just there for lack of space really.

Dragonslayer Swordspear is an alright spear and a terrible halberd, it needs its buff up to to do any decent damage. The range is good though so I might move it closer to high.

I can see your point with crossbows, might move them up.

Lorian's is mostly due to being a stubbier UGS that can't benefit as much from Leo Ring as other UGS, its better for twinking imo due to how much the WA buff gives even at low levels.

>>163084278

Dragonslayer Axe is one of the shorter axes and relies on gold pine resin/bundles to reach damage of longer axes temporarily, at 120 when most people have 40 END it's not that great. ASS has lower length then other straight swords and mediocre damage at an SL 120 range for PvP beyond being an offhand casters and even then an elemental infusion of your choice with the Longsword/Lothric Knight Sword will do more damage.

Why the fuck do most of katanas have iaido WA? You'd think nips go all out with their favorite katana techniques, but aside from the seppuku and NOTHING CAN PROTECT AGAINST THE DARK DRIFT memes only black blade has something unique

>>163074265
DS1 is REALLY bad on AMD/Radeon drivers.

Try downloading DSfix.

If you have a Radeon 8330, DS2 should run fine. This sounds more like an optimization issue than a graphics card power ability.

Just make sure you download DSfix for DS1, and run both in 720p low settings and slowly increase the graphics until you get to what you like.

>>163091428
>Onyx Blade has an earlier HA startup
It's a very small difference on a first 2hr1 and it shares it with wolf knight GS compared to all other claymore-like greatswords, from what i remember.

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>>163088358
https://youtu.be/xt6UvMvLs1s?t=28m30s
gottem

>>163091813

Interesting, thanks for the info. Not sure if that's worth moving it up on the same tier though but it's good to know especially if the Wolf Knight has the same thing.

Since you know that btw do you know if there's an updated table for poise frames since the most recent patch? To my knowledge the old one is still outdated.

>>163091964
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TmKpp2lOOcHvoDnjB9P0LGDN71Np0Gr68tPQ8BkqxZ8/edit#gid=153914695

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daily reminder that curved sword users are cucks

>>163092027

Thanks senpai.

>>163091923
AHAHHA

>>163091428
millwood potentially reaches higher AR than any greatswords while having around the same swing speed as their 1hr1
wa is kinda weird but this thing is in a league of its own when it comes to axes

>>163091923
Cute
"not getting much use of that dmb eh"
>unzips 1250 dmg combo

>>163092271

I agree its in a league of its own from the other axes but having the same speed as the greatsword 1HR1 doesn't matter so much when the greatsword attack has more reach and covers a wider area. And greatswords have 2HR1s that will be able to outpoise faster weapons when timed right while the only options the Millwood has for that are Warcry R2s that have more wind-up and it can't combo. Again I think the Millwood is great but it does suffer some weaknesses against both speedier and poise weapons that it needs to play more carefully against.

>>163071812
>It's a trap

>>163091428
why is yhorms top tier?

>>163092976
HUEG RANGE
HUEG DAMAGE
HUEG RETARDPROOF SHOCKWAVE THAT DENIES PUNISHMENT
HUEG ANIMATION THAT MAKES THE CHARACTER CROUCH A BIT AND SOMETIMES (70% OF THE TIME) MAKES CROSSBOW SHOTS GO RIGHT OVERHEAD
HUEG POISE MODIFIER AND POISE DAMAGE

>>163092976

Yhorm is high-tier because it is the best ultra in the game. It's a single stat weapon that's able to reach terrific damage from only 40-60 STR which when War Cry is active can get you up to 700 AR. But the real power of Yhorm's is the range. Using an R1 anywhere near your opponent forces them into stagger even if it doesn't damage allowing you to safely keep distance to force trades better. Unlike every other greataxe that does the same Yhorm is so long you can do this safely without your opponent being right in front of you and not taking any damage. It's the only great weapon that can safely deal with most greatswords, spears and halberds because of this.

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>>163091923
>He's not getting much use out of this DMB, is he?

This game is dying. I've invaded the same guy + two phantoms four times now.

>>163093593
he's just turned on the dried finger

>>163091428
>at 120
>at an SL 120 range

Bruh... not everyone plays at SL120. The most popular and fun invasion ranges are SL60 and below.

Raw ASS and DSA are god tier twink weapons. Raw ASS out damages pretty much everything all the way up to +6, requiring minimal stat investment (12 faith), which opens up the use of chime WA's and miracles like force, or caressing tears for cheap ember heals. DSA does more damage with buffs at the cost of being shorter/slower and not having the OP SS WA's.

I mean if all you're looking at is SL120 duel meta then sure I guess, but DSA and ASS are god-tier twink weapons.

>>163094235

>The most popular and fun invasion ranges are SL60 and below.
>I mean if all you're looking at is SL120 duel meta then sure I guess, but DSA and ASS are god-tier twink weapons.

It is explicitly said on the list that it is judged based on a 1v1 PvP scenario, not on twinking.

If it was based on twinking I'd put Rotten Ghru Spear in top-tier over those two anyway.

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>>163091428

Millwood is pretty good, yeah...

>>163094358
Ghru spear is only good at super low invasion ranges, like SL20 and below. It's still just a spear, it's only good when people have low as fuck health and trolling people with poison is viable. Poison aside, 4PP is actually better spear doing more damage and having longer reach, for example.

>It is explicitly said on the list that it is judged based on a 1v1 PvP scenario, not on twinking.

Okay fair enough, I didn't read anything on it I was just looking at the tiers and knew it was for PvP.

>>163070697
I dont know why you are memeing this game or unless this is a thing but the game is pretty fun. I mean its too bad its f2p but at least its not too Jewish.
I dont even know why they did it, I mean this game would've sold a decent amount since there are no games to buy right now.

>>163094069
Yes, but you'd think i'd get at least one other host in there.

>>163094764
>but at least its not too Jewish.
You haven't climbed high enough

>>163094923
I see that past 30+ its bad but thats like new game+ and I wont even play it till new content and balance changes.
I hear if you just grind its fine till then.

>>163094235
>>163094358
Tier lists are pointless at low SL or invasions because the effectiveness of one weapon over another matters less than where you're invading, what SL, the number of players, and what tricks you pull. What's top-tier against 2 players at SL30 in one area might be shit against 1 player at SL60.

If you're making a tier list, you're assuming that everyone is optimizing their play style around the weapon they choose, which only happens at higher SL. If Dark Souls didn't have scaling or stat requirements.

What's a good SL and weapon level range for the DLC area? Bored of Pontiff invasions again.

>>163095096
*if dark souls didn't have scaling or stat requirements, then tier lists could work at any SL.

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>>163094797
if they turned on dried finger, 90% chance you're going to invade them in rapid succession