/dsg/ - Demon's and Dark Souls General

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HOLY SHIT IT'S ALMOST CHRISTMAS, FUCKSTAINS.

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, SHIT-FOR-BRAINS? OFFICIAL /dsg/ IRITHYLL DUNGEON PC FC™

GET THE FUCK OVER HERE.

Wipe your soap on the ground outside the door immediately proceeding 2rat. The room with the spooky health-draining BDSM sluts in it

To facilitate a FUN, engaging player versus player gameplay environment for all parties, meta weapons and tactics are discouraged , but not disallowed.

Use of the Hornet Ring IS, however, banned.

>>163126364
That location is still shit, go to high wall

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Seath is the Cutest!

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>>163126364
>banning hornet ring

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Updated weapon tier list based on suggestions from the last thread and trimmed the fat from the FAQ section. Questions and criticisms on placements are encouraged.

>>163126441
Cathedral is superior

Post your best dark souls 3 waifu

Someone must have a decent one

>>163125951

You mean most BB weapons?

>>163126587
Now that hollowslayer isn't the poise monster, what makes it better than claymore?

>>163126721
Probably the best thing about bloodborne is moveset vareity.

As a whole, mechnically, bloodborne is much better than DaS, but the aeshetic and victorian-era design isn't as comfy as dark souls desu.

>>163126775

Still has faster 2HR1s on average. But for the greatsword section of the list they're all in varying degrees of the same level of effectiveness imo. Greatswords are great.

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Does anyone know what happens if you kill the dragon in High Wall?

Like, not just make it fly away, but cause so much damage, either through min-maxing or cheats to make it actually die. Does it drop something other than the titanite?

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Ok

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>missed opportunities general

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>>163126587
>pickaxe under greataxes and not greathammers
>arbalest not top tier when it's a direct counter to majority of reactive playstyles
>cb and uchi on one level despite all benefits of CB like being a single-stat weapon

Haven't played in several months, redpill me on poise

>>163127243

>refined weapon
>plus DMB

Post build.

>>163127598
das1 poise but only during attacks with weapons that have ha

full havels + yhorm's greatshield + wolf ring 2 and a greatmace is unpoiseable by any player attack

>>163126364
Don't worry I won't be participating in the FC but just a few questions m8
Why is hornet ring banned, thought it was nerfed to shit?
Why are you letting somebody stab your asshole so often you're afraid of the hornet ring
If they get a parry on you I believe they have full rights to deal an insensible amount of damage to you

>>163127559
>2h any shield
>watch chaos blade user kill himself or swap weapon

>>163127680
Frenchie is SL 200 or something.

>>163127709
parries and backstabs already do enough damage

oneshotting your opponent defeats the point of fighting for the fun of fighting

>>163126969
>>163126775

Forgot to mention Hollowslayer 2HR1s have less stamina consumption then standard greatswords like Drakeblood.

>>163127559

Pickaxe has a greataxe moveset, it says so in the FAQ you didn't read.

Arbalest is terrific but it and crossbows in general are only good for punishing whiffs of things slower then straight swords, it doesn't really punish reactive playstyles so much as certain weapon categories. I am not that familiar with the class compared to others so I am willing to listen to more input on there.

Chaos Blade does have those benefits but it greatly suffers from being 100% countered by a medium shield and the health drain is noticeable especially in arena if you whiff a decent amount.

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>>163127741
>cb chip damage
>being a problem in a game with some of the best post-des regen equipment

>STILL playing shit souls 3

lmaoing@urlife

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>>163127680
Here it is

>>163127747
I didn't plan to do PvP with that char, but got enough proofs so I though why not

Is the Claymore bad for PvP on DaS3?

>>163127903
Haha hey these guys are in like every General lmao

>>163128063
claymore is a consistently solid weapon in every game it appears in
even more so after ds3's greatsword buff

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>>163127987

>>163127865
>cb
>chip damage

>>163128063

No.

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>>163128063
>claymore
>ever being bad in souls

>>163127987
>>163127747

.......? Why are people seriously playing against you? Why aren't you banned/not getting resummoned with a character like that? Why do you even take a SL207 character to a fightclub?

Am I missing something here?

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What's the matter with invisible guys

>>163128326
Because drake is hosting and he's of an even higher SL so the french isn't downscaled

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CUTE

>>163128162
Get some sun holy shit

>>163128326

Trixi is constantly invisible to me which is annoying considering they're using a greatsword.

>>163128147
I can agree to this so why is it that weapons like the crescent axe are consistently mediocre/trash
Feels bad man

>>163128352
shit host

>>163128218
It's bad in DeS
It's ugly, way too big, and doesn't have the perfect moveset like in its successors

>>163127859

I've been reading your last 5+ posts and not once did you manage to spell 'than' correctly. It's triggering my autism, please stop.

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>being THIS much of a scared shitrag
what's fucking wrong with this community

>>163128404
I don't get it, doesn't he hate her or some shit

>>163128429
I've been running in to a few invisible people myself. I had no idea it was a problem for other people, so i'm assuming it's on my end. I'll bow out. Thanks for the GoodFights™!

>>163128519

Then I'll stop it 4u.

>>163128374

Jesus christ.

I've heard some bad stories about the PCFCs, and I'm starting to believe they're all true. Glad I don't go there.

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Say something good about your least favorite soulsborne game
Say something bad about your favorite soulsborne game

I'll start:
Dark Souls 2 had top tier fashion souls and powerstancing was good.

Dark Souls 1 had absolutely shit multiplayer mechanics and pretty dull endgame.

>>163128687
>Say something good about your least favorite soulsborne game
ds2 has some fun str weapons i guess
>Say something bad about your favorite soulsborne game
bloodborne has a bad habit of cockblocking you from the funniest gear till you're almost done with a game
it also has the most dogshit invasion mechanic of all soulsborne games though random pvp itself is extremely fun

>>163127859
The other fault with Arbalest and crossbows in general is that block frames activate instantly from recovery so if you have a shield you'll never be whiff punished unless you use some extremely dumb and slow shit like charge R2.

>>163128687
Least favorite DS2: Had my flower skirt

Favorite BB: They didn't drop 75 dlc's I would've gladly paid for. Oh also it's confusing as all fucking hell I had to actually read alot of internet shit to understand it

>>163128326
>>163128374
>>163128675
shoulda made your own SL207 40/40 DMB character

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>>163128583
none of that matters in cute pics friend

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>blocking gs r1s with my head
delt dis

WHATS THE DSG APPROVED SL META

>>163128687
>Say something good about your least favorite soulsborne game
Dark Souls 3 has no redeeming quality except that it looks pretty, I guess.
>Say something bad about your favorite soulsborne game
Invasions and such are fucking trash in bloodborne. Took me 100 hours to setup a level 43 cunt with depth5 gems because retarded RNG.

>>163129062
120(+5 if spellcaster)

>>163128983
I'd post my cutes but they're in a cloud in a 1200 file folder of souls related shit

>>163128326

.......? What's the point of bitching about it ? Am I missing something here ?

>>163128570
Counter point:
I just want to go through the fucking game with my full health and I dont want to deal with you shitting invaders.
>dont be embered
fuck you I want my health.

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>>163128983
Logan didn't have a beard, delet this

>>163128923

Sorry, but I don't have brain problems. Rather than making a SL207 character I think I'll just not join.

>>163129128
Stay the fuck offline then you scared little fag

>>163128923
>people complain about someone bringing an overleveled character that doesn't get downscaled
>host comes and says just overlevel too guys

This is why people avoid you guys

>>163129253
There's no reason not to have at least one overlevelled character for meme purposes

>>163129062
120/125 in DeS, DaS1, and DaS3
98 in BB
99 in every stat in DaS2

>>163128983
Nothing cute about sexual assault. Where do you think that old man's other hand is. Just look at how nervous and awkwardly the other guy is pulling away.

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>>163129138
>ywn fluster Yorshka with your finger tricks
Sad

>Fight Club supposed to be fun
>fag is using a refined estoc buffed with dmb
>without being downscaled
>F U N

>>163129241
I dont actually think that, that's probably what he was thinking.

Bloodborne handled it best to be honest. Health reduction mechanics are a dumb idea.

>>163127859
An offhand crossbow can shut down a lot of weapons and playstyles, can zone and punish most casters, and generally frustrate players causing them tunnel vision and make mistakes.

I honestly would rate all of the crossbows over anything else, then Millwood Great Bow, then just about everything else.

But this is from the perspective of an invader rather than a duelist.

>>163129115

>space before every question mark

I know it's you, frenchie. Yeah, you're missing something here.

>tfw want to play bloodborne but get bullied for investing into 40 endurance

i hate being so stamina reliant

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>>163129097
POST CUTE PICS

>>163129485
>investing into stamina in a game with like 1 true combo among all weapons and dirt cheap rolls

>>163129369
>he thinks Griggs doesn't want Logan's soulmass all over his face
That man has a desperate gay crus on him

>>163127237
Help pls. I want to enjoy PvP again.

>>163129369
>Nothing cute about sexual assault.
It's not sexual assault. Griggs clearly wants the C.

>>163129616
>FC
>seed
Drake, why?

>>163129467

Nah I agree, I'm probably too harsh on some of the 'worse' crossbows there and too genereous to the Millwood GB at the same time. Gonna do some more testing with them and refine that section further.

>>163129776
le troll lol xDDD

>>163129331
FCs are not meme purposes faggots and them being a shitshow like now is what happens when you do this

>>163129797
Millwood is great for invasions, and that's it.

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>>163129492
ANON I'M MAKING COOKIES I CAN'T POST RIGHT NOW

>>163129776
A lad was helping me clear out the jailers.

Everything's dead anyway, so the point is moot.

>>163129776
>>163128492

>>163129776
>incredibly awkward location
>seeded world in NG+++ so people die to rats before they even turn up
>three different people that have 50/50 odds of actually being visible or not
>one french guy with a 40/40 refined DMB estoc at SL207 when everyone else is 120
>drake spamming weapon arts on the sidelines and constantly hitting people waiting to fight

Fun times with the PCFC!

>>163128687
DeS has amazing atmosphere and lore that makes it worth playing alone.

Bloodborne gets annoying when you have to farm for Blood Vials

I'm planning on going pure caster if possible with a short sword. Is 50/50 enough or should I have gone for 60/60?

>>163129927
>40/40 refined DMB estoc
more like 41/55

>all these people complaining about host
>no one else will to host FCs for half as long as drake does

hmm... really makes you think

>>163129449
>>163129253
>>163129927
Yeah, you can't fucking make this shit up.

And then they're honestly surprised why everyone thinks they're a bunch of retards.


How about you keep your SL300 '''''''''''''''''''''''''fight clubs'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' to your little autism discord group and don't actually post about it in the thread since you actually had me considering joining for a minute there.

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Lewd

>>163129449
I'm sorry I triggerred your autism

>>163130091
I would rather have a shorter but good FC than this shitshow.

>>163130091
He has so many fucking items and hours into the game and so many people have already complained about him it would make anyone think he does it on purpose. By the first time someone complained, he should already have a 120 character ready to host decent fight clubs no problem, but instead, he prefers to meme. If I wasn't from a third world country, I would host no problem but memes are more important than an enjoyable experience I guess.

>>163130185
Fuck off frenchie.

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>>163129864
what kinda cookies anon

>>163129797
Fair enough. Millwood is just such a great tool in invasions with Hawk and Obscuring rings with the WA and it being "silent" compared to Dragonslayer. Never tried to use the Onislayer to snipe though, unsure if the pure range is worth the AR trade.

Thinking again about crossbows, I wouldn't rate the Sniper Crossbow very high, it has the slowest 1h reload speed, but decent 2h reload speed iirc? Never got good results from it or Avelyn, it feels too gimmicky for what I do.

Again, speaking only as an Invader.

>>163128583
not necessarily, you can dislike a being of instinct but you cant necessarily hate it

if he could he would simply take her out of the painting so she can be a nuisance somewhere else

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Double lewd !

>>163130297
No u

>>163130396

Avelyn in my experience works well enough as an offhand in 1v1s, using Exploding Bolts with it is a great way to catch rolls even more than usual with those bolts and Splintering Bolts with them are an alright way to trigger bleed bars if they're already built up.

>>163130297
>tfw 10 character slots
>242 drake
>120 vit/quality
>132 weird omnicaster shit. will probably delete
>125 sorc
>125 faifag
>120 str/fai
>125 pyro/quality
>65 str aldritch invader
>30 farron meme man
>1 hard mode challenge character

>>163130609
seems like they designed the splintering bolt specifically for the avelyn, i have found very little use for it outside of that weapon in both pvp and pve

>>163130712
>6 different characters that could host FCs at acceptable SLs
>let me host on this one overleveled shitter for no reason

What's the best way to earn souls in NG+7? I don't know if they nerfed Drakeblood Knight or something, but he only gives half the souls after his first death now.

>>163129492
>Bear Seek Seek Lest not powerstancing drumsticks
>Slayer of Demons or Good Hunter nowhers in pic

If the Soulsborne protagonists had a band the roles would go as follow :
Chosen Undead would be the figurehead and the guitarist of the band. Everyone knows him and he personifies the entire band. Slayer of Demons is the guy who started the band and his dad gave the band the garage they started to play at in before they got famous. He's the bass player and while he's an integral part of the group, he kind of gets forgotten in favor the the lead guy. Bear Seek Seek Lest is the drummer guy who knows his shit but he did a lot of stupid shit in his personal life and got kicked out of the band for trying to do things his way too much. Ultimately he was remembered more for his failures than his successes although he still has new fans here and there. Ashen One is the replacement brought in to cover up Bear Seek Seek Lest's fuckups and he does good enough of a job but is meek and doesn't innovate.
Good Hunter is Slayer's younger brother that plays kind of similar music but different enough that he can't fit into the group.

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>>163130358
Regular chocolate chip cookies except I replaced the chocolate chips with Oreo chunks

>>163130887
hollowslayer godsword with hornet ring and rapport on gertrude's guardians

aka golden winged knights on top of the grand archives

am I retarded, or why do I have to purchase both season pass and ashes of ariandel? isn't just the season pass supposed to give me all dlc current and coming?

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>>163130712
Fucking hell, drake.

>>163130887
how many souls do you need exactly?
because enemy scaling stops at ng+7, so repeat playthroughs are your best bet

>>163128687
Demon's Souls had some nice looking simple armor. Male Fluted excepted. Ugly twigman proportioned garbo with gaping seams.

Dark Souls 2 wasn't fully realized and it haunts me how even more good it could've been if it had been delayed for PS4

>>163127195
Dunno but i'm curious
I'll find out for you anon

>>163130995

You do not have to purchase both, the season pass gets you both AoA and the next DLC when it comes.

>>163130995
Yes, you should only have to buy the season pass.
Why do you ask?

>>163130995
reload the area, then go back to the chapel with the bdsm man in it

>>163131057
>>163131081

well, the steam page is suggesting me to pay both, and the season pass doesn't explain literally anything

look http://store.steampowered.com/app/374320/

are they really fooling people then or what

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>>163130935

>>163130941
recipe please my drunk ass needs cookies

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>>163131010
ds2 admittedly has a great selection of compatible pieces of unique armor, too bad the body proportions are utter garbage and the actual model quality can range from average to utterly horrific

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>>163131095
>spawn in the chapel
>game loads so slow I can only hear sounds
>sounds like an old man orgasming right next to my ear

Seems to be a lot of washing pole edgelords in undead match today.

>>163128687
ds2 had in my opinion the best value for money DLC and if i could play the DLCs without replaying the rest of the game i would

dark souls 1 is clearly fucking unfinished

>>163131460
come join drake's FC

the frenchie at SL207 logged back onto his SL120

>>163131009
I need 1,905,503,593 souls. So, a lot.
I'm level 381 trying to get to max level and I was just trying to figure out if there was a better method to leveling than going into NG+ since I'm already on NG+24.

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>>163131268
That's just a fuckup on their part. If you get the Season pass, you get all the DLCs.

>>163131510
Boycotting his FCs is the only way he'll leave or host at regular SL characters.
Do your part anon

>>163131587

so people are literally throwing away cash because of a steam fuckup.. well i'll go buy just the season pass now and see if i get ariandel

>>163131537
I actually already did the math for this

The fastest absolute method without using CE is to savescum soul items until you have them completely maxed out.

Would take about 10 hours with 699 of every soul item and require redoing the process about 40 times

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>>163131537
forget i asked

>>163131704
What do you mean by savescumming soul items?

>>163131537
Otherwise, you're going to want to follow >>163130990

that method is just under 100k souls every 2 minutes

>>163131510
>the frenchie at SL207 logged back onto his SL120
I didn't
I don't even have a SL 120. My lowest is 150
Meta is cancer desu

>>163131659

and yes of course it works. so people that get tricked by steam making them purchase both the season pass and ariandel dlc are getting literally scammed.

good job valve and FROM

>>163131858
Create a copy of your save. Transfer soul items to someone's else character. Replace your save with the one you saved previously. Repeat until eternity.

>>163132163
If anything you should blame Bandai Namco since they are the publishers.

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>>163131278
Tried and true recipe I sorta made years ago anon
They're my favorite, hope you enjoy
DON'T FORGET TO ADD LOVE
Oh and if you need any clarification on my awful penmanship please ask

I want to make a build around old wolf and pontiff eyes

can someone give me a list of viable weps for this?

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Does anyone have a complete 3D map like this one but of DaS3?

Like a picture that shows every single area in actual relation to eachother?

The fuck is up in this fc? everyone is on rollerblades for me

did anyone else get a connection error? twice?

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>>163132317
>burgerland units

What stats should I be going for early on in DS1? I have like 16 Vit, 18 End, 14 Str, 16 Dex, and so far the rest is where it started for Pyromancer. I'm aware not to fuck with resistance and I'm also aware that pyromancy doesn't rely on any attributes, so I've been going with the basics of survival but anything I should be leveling more or less of?

>>163132494
Hahaha sorry m8, I tried

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So, starting a NG on DS3 for the 2nd time.
I wanted some advice on what my character stats should be to not waste any level ups:

>Melee character,not gonna use any miracles/hexes,just some pyromancies and maybe resin/bundles

>Armor weight range that will be used in the run : Alva>>>Exile

>Only gonna use (ultra/curved)greatswords

>Same as the one above, with the weapons instead: Zwhei>>>>>>>Greatsword

>Yeh,SL120

If more information is needed just let me know. Going tryhard on this one so I'll prepare myself properly

>>163132623

Stop

>>163129387
it looks like he is just suggesting doing sex, but im pretty sure that's intended.

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>>163132317
I fucked up your recipe somehow, I used your exact amounts and now I've got bucketloads of ingredients everywhere.

>>163132527
The stats needed to wield the Drake Sword

>>163132623
Choose Knight

level vitality and endurance until you get 27 and 20 respectively

then level strength and dexterity evenly

>>163132425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48LDqAh_Ag8
This should give you some ideas.

>>163129864
lol i have that artorias posture.

>>163132623
You're gonna have to pick a weapon, most builds do.
If you want just a general build that can wield most ugs, then you should do a quality build (40/40 str/dex).

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>>163129864
>>163130358
>>163130941
>>163132317
This is how we turn into /ksg/
And it's only going to get worse once content dries up. DLC is the last we will get of Dark Souls. Even if FROM keeps making Souls-likes, there's no knowing if they'll be multiplat, and I doubt every DaS-only player would migrate.

>>163132494
I know right. All their arbitrary units reads to me like instead of "cup, ounce, gallon" I see "some, a bit, a fair amount".

the unused armor in ds3 are normal finished items, or just the model that you can swap with cheat engine?
if it's the first option, then there is a save with the unused armors on it, a cheat table to get them, or something like that?

>>163132660
Fine.

>>163132883
using any items in-game that aren't actually available online gets you virtually insta-banned

>>163132527
END is far and away the most useful stat, you will never waste a level up by putting points into it.
VIT is next, then followed by whatever physical attack stats you plan on using. None of your offensive stats need to be particularly high unless you're going for a weapon that requires heavy investments.

>>163132679
Not sure what/where that is, or the stats. I have a black knight sword in my inventory that I can't use yet, but so far out of the newfag weapons I prefer the more dex based ones. The scimitar and winged spear are my favorites so far, not that I can wield much with those stats yet.

>>163132820
>next Soulsborne game is a Switch exclusive, screwing over every /dsg/ player
>eventually we turn into a pile of cackling ds2 intro hags like /bbg/

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>>163133021
that's why i downloaded pirate ds3 from thepiratebay too.

>>163132487
No connection error for me, but invisible dudes

>>163133128
Drake Sword is the definitive newfag ez game sword. Makes everything up to Quelaag a complete pushover. Falls off super hard after that, though.
A black knight sword can easily carry you until the end of the game, so focus on getting the stats to wield that (or preferably a Black Knight Halberd if you can get one).

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>>163132317
>COOKIES
>read that as COCKS

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>>163132317
thanks anon i owe you my life

Is there any combination of passive effects that would negate mimic head's hp drain?

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>>163132670
>>163133910
Take the recipe to the grave lads, enjoy em

>>163133342
>Drake Sword is the definitive newfag ez game sword
When you say that, do you mean I'd be a cheap fag for using it, or is it all good?

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I've never understood why there two bonfires placed so close together in front of the grand archives. Was this an oversight?

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>>163126587

Pretty good list.

- I would maybe move Lothric's Holy Sword to the bottom of high tier. Even though it has low damage it still has the second-most range in class and a god-tier WA. Works great with a shield.

- personally I don't think any CGS is high-tier, so I would move it to upper-mid. But that's just my personal preference.

- I'm not really seeing any redeeming qualities in the Spear, Arstor's Spear, Pike & Golden Ritual spear. Would maybe move them down a tier, but I'm not sure. They're still spears. Actually nevermind, if the worse half of daggers and worse half of regular axes are mid-tier, these spears are as well I guess.

- The halberds that you mainly 2H are maybe a bit too highly rated. The 1H halberds (RHH & regular halberd basically) are still fine, but since the poise patch 2H Halberds need a significant amount of poise to still be effective. I don't know the exact math, but I think that at SL120 they do need to sacrifce a few stats to get enough Vitality?

- Why is the Cathedral Knight Greatsword a whole tier below those 3 above it?

- Why are the Brigand Twindaggers Low instead of Mid tier?

- Why is the regular Mace in high tier? Warpick has Leo ring counters, Heysel Pick has the spells/mix-ups, mace has......?

These are all just minor points though, I think it's almost pretty much perfect.

>>163133951
with miracles yes

otherwise no

you can get like 5 hp/sec from gear maximum with the sun princess ring, anri's straight sword, and ethereal oak shield

>>163134259
It ruins the game experience because it's too good
If it's your first run and you're not trying to complete your 10th build, don't get it

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Now that I have the DLC I want to make a character centered around Frost. Thinking something like a strength-focused Knight so I can use Vordt's hammer, with enough int to cast the new frost spells.

Tips from anyone doing something similar?

>>163134697
You got an ice rapier, ice greatmace, ice straightsword, ice area denial effect, and ice weapon buff

>>163134684
I'm doing fine so far with the scimitar and winged spear, although I'm sure I'll find better shit. I love the range of the spear but the scimitar is easier to hit with. Both are pretty quick. I haven't decided for sure which I prefer.

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>>163134697
>doing a build centered around the weakest effect in the game
you would have more success doing poison build and poison is fucking garbage tier

is there a weapon in ds3 that will at low SL, say 10-30 effectively one shot people with a hornet riposte?

>>163134878
Frostibite is good though.
Increased damage and low stamina regen

>>163134896
raw mail breaker
dragonslayer greataxe

>>163134878
Frost does damage, reduces enemy defenses, slows their stamina regen, and I hear it causes fat rolling. How is that anywhere near as bad as poison or as cancerous as bleed?

>>163134869
Defeat Quelaag and make her boss soul weapon if you like your scimitar

>>163134896

Hosts? A few.

Phantoms? Loads.

>>163134934
It doesn't make a big difference. It's a nerfed bleed with shitty side effects.

>>163135057
Call me in 2 years when you actually apply this on someone.

>>163134837
Also the pontiff knight weapons and Freide's Scythe. I guess I'm just tossing up between str or dex. Scythes got a buff recently, right? Maybe quality is the way to go since I only need like 18 int

>>163135091
No idea what you're talking about but I'll try to remember when I get there. I was one of the axe fags in Bloodborne but so far the slower weapons are TOO slow for my liking, in this one. Is there anything I need to understand about weapon weight? Or is that just inventory related?

>>163135104
The side effects are good though, the regen debuff is about the same effect as GSoG and lets you be very offensive.
How is this worse than 300 damage over more than 1 minute?

>>163135263
you'll need some vit too

i'll jury rig something up for you lad, hol' up

>>163135192
>hit enemy like 3 times with frost weapon buff
Doesn't seem too hard, especially with phantom hitboxes

Wait, what? I just opened a mimic chest (the dark clutch ring one next to the key chest in dungeon) and it didn't insta-grab me.

Is this a thing or did it bug out?

can I make a pretty decent lvl 15-20 twink with flamespear? or does it shine better at a higher SL?

>>163135425
>gets like 1/10 of the bar because frost doesn't scale with anything
*eats some blue moss*
psh nothing personel kid

>>163134351

Lothric's Holy Sword is one of those ones I was undecided on. The range is great but the damage is just so bad even at 40/40 with minimum Faith. The WA like the one of the Twin Princes GS is also very easy to notice and dodge and is really only good for whiff punishes in my experience.

I only rated Exile that high because it has 601 AR at 40/40 Refined 2handed, otherwise I would agree. The AR basically makes it a slightly faster ultra greatsword. And the WA poise buffs allows you to deal 800~ damage with a relatively fast L2R2 if you land the full combo.

Those spears are all just varying degrees of 'alright' nothing that bad about them but nothing spectacular either.

Since the latest patches halberd poise health was buffed. Around 20 poise now allows you to tank through light weapons easily. Glaive-type halberds also still have the advantage of range and stagger hits, and the WA poise buff also affected the spin2win weapon arts of the BKG and others.

CKG is the worst of an already mediocre class. Needs 40/40 Refined to reach a piddling 587 AR on a UGS. That's somehow worse AR then a Zweihander despite weighing more and having a worse version of Stomp. Plus it is completely strike damage meaning it gains no Leo Ring bonus from its thrusting R2s and rolling attacks.

Brigand Twindaggers are short and lack the amazing 2H dagger moveset. They can do good damage if you buff them but that's the only way and there are far better options if you want to buff something with better range.

Regular Mace has 481 AR at 40/40 Refined. It's only slightly higher then the Warpick but its main value is having higher poise damage then the Warpick. This allows you to break HA of greatswords and other poise weapons far easier letting you win trades. Warpick is still better in general but the Mace has a certain niche.

Thanks for the comments btw, if you want to discuss any of these points more feel free as I want to get as much consensus for this list as possible.

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This post concludes the OFFICIAL /dsg/ IRITHYLL DUNGEON PC FC™

Thank you lads for showing up.

If anyone is interested, I want to host a low SL FC at the Demon Bridge sometime later this week, with strict SL requirements being around 50 to 60, not yet determined.

>>163135272
Weight in general doesn't apply to anything in your inventory. The only time it matters is when the item is equipped, and it determines your rolling speed and its number of i-frames. Ideally you want to be at 25% or lower of your total equip load so you can fastroll, which is the quickest and has the most i-frames. A good early ring to help with this is Havel's Ring (boosts EL by 50%), if you think you can take Havel.

>>163135664
>50 or 60 SL
What weapon level?

>>163135625
By your logic bleed sucks too.
Show me you munching some mossfruit when someone applied rouge or rotten. No one uses moss

>>163135668
Shit, I'm glad I asked. I had no idea of this but it sounds like a good thing to know, thanks.

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>>163135664
thank you for hosting i always enjoy seeing you guys have a nice night everyone

>>163135728
+6(+3 twinkling/scale), most likely.

>>163135772
Bleed can 100 to 0 in one combo. Frost doesn't do shit.

>>163135664
Don't host again

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Anyone can take the lead and host another FC ?
NOT IN IRITHYLL DUNGEON THOUGH PLEASE
I was having fun

>>163135883
Not with mossfruit.

>>163135967
Go away frog.

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>>163135664
>If anyone is interested, I want to host a low SL FC at the Demon Bridge sometime later this week, with strict SL requirements being around 50 to 60, not yet determined.
Preferably at this hour. It would be great if we try lower sl ranges. Some weapons can stand out more.

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>>163136057
No u

>>163135883
That's only because it can be applied via cancer rouge to weapons that already have a bleed effect though

>>163126587
i would raise the twin princes greatsword up next to claymore, infact i would put in a note in the FAQ that all greatswords at high tier are pretty much equal but the jumping weapon art of the wolf knight greatsword has questionable value even after the buff
speaking as someone who has max upgraded nearly every greatsword

also if you want to be a tryhard poise trade kiddie then the MLGS is the best greatsword since you can pump vit and get as much poise as possible after you get your int to 40

>>163134346
They wanted to be consistent with giving you a bonfire for every boss but also wanted the Archives bonfire to be in a more central location.

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>>163135057
Did someone say totally balanced build?

>>163136215
and?

the whole point was building around frost is retarded because frost sucks dick

>>163126587
Original DaS2 tier list anon here. I never cared enough about DaS3's pvp to bother with updating my tier list past 0.1. It looks like you're doing a decent job of it.

Follower's Torch is not really Bad. It has fast startup on the WA, a large AoE, and can be immediately canceled yet still do damage, the only WA you can cancel.
It is only about the WA, and that's enough to at least earn a place in Low.

Why is the Great Machete higher than Dragonslayer GA? DSA can combo 2hr1s.

Earthseeker doesn't deserve being in Bad tier. It's not as stat efficient, but it is the longest greataxe that combos r1s with decent AR. It is boring, but it does work.
I can't comprehend why you would put Quakestone next to the Spiked Mace but put Earthseeker in near-You Died. Have you just not used it on a 40 STR 40 FAI build?

Avelyn should be higher. Dodging an unlocked Avelyn with explosive bolts is very difficult.

Lothric Knight Long Spear is as good as the Plow. It has an unbreakable charge - r1 combo that can counter and outtrade just about any weapon and break the hyper armor of heavy armor ultra weapon users. Underrated weapon.

Painting Guardian Curved Sword is Bad Tier. There is no saving that weapon with its sub-dagger range.

Darkmoon Longbow is You Died Tier. The only way to use a longbow is with Dark Arrows. Despite how it adds INT scaling to the dark arrows, low split 3-way damage is terrible.
It's a nightmare to use.

Follower Javelin is very definitely better than the Great Lance, despite the range. It has ridiculous HA on the throw that allows it to counter-hit headshot fairly easily with practice. Denies buffs and heals.
It's also stat efficient - near 400 AR Heavy with just 40 STR.

The mid tier daggers should be lower, unless you're only counting them as crit tools which I never did. Bandit and Corvian far surpass them.

The gap between the shortbow and the composite bow is not so large, and the composite bow isn't great.

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>>163136323
>katana

>>163136257
> the jumping weapon art of the wolf knight greatsword has questionable value even after the buff
Old Wolf Curved Sword was the one that got buffed, mistranslation.

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>>163136436
Edgy weapon for edgy build my euphoric friend.

>>163136257

Twin Princes has the same issue Lothric's Holy Sword for me>>163135651 the WAR1 isn't that great and the standard damage is just 'alright' for a greatsword. I might be biased though as the other greatswords are just so good it might cloud my opinion.

I don't factor the Wolf Leap ability of the WKGS into its placement at all, its terrible. I rate it highly because its the second longest greatsword on par with Wolnir's and is the second highest pure physical greatsword. It's amazing for the standard 2HR1 trading game like Wolf Knight.

MLGS poise tanking is fantastic though I agree.

MLGS is great for Vit gouging through .

>>163136323
FROM pls nerf bleed

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>>163136394
>only the most optimal strategies and builds are acceptable in this electronic entertainment medium designed to be fun and enjoyable

>>163136513
makes sense, but the other spin attack is definitely faster though

i still stand by my statement that the HLGS, WKGS, BKS, OB, MLGS, GSOJ, CLAY and TPGS are almost virtually equal

>>163136636
the damage is definitely lower but you trade damage for one of the best greatsword stance WA movesets in the game, also if you hit them with the sword on the laser attack it double hits and the second hit counts as a thrust and benefits from leo ring

i will point out it definitely preforms better in arena then in embered duels

I'm getting Dark Souls 2 for Christmas, what should I expect?

>>163136918
A decent PvE game.

If you had friends, it's a good co-op game too.

>>163136918
a dull game with pretty good DLC

Does being hollow or kindled matter other than for PvP?

>>163136918
Decent game with great dlc and great fashion
Also what these guys said
>>163136956
>>163137010

>>163136918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kr7KDCsIws&t=9s

>>163126587

Why is Exile GS that high and the other curved GS that low?

The only thing it has over the others is a little bit more of damage buth weights a shit ton more, while Carthus has bleed and an actually useful WA and Old Wolf has a WA that can be comboed and the two pontiff eyes gimmick already built in.

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>>163136814
Is that ags lol?

>>163136636
oh also you should put in a note that the caestus is usually taken on the offhand with a simple or blessed buff because of its low weight and its ability to parry so its technically high tier (its use is pretty widespread)

DS1:
>genre-defining game
>good pvp
>great dlc

DS2:
>alright game
>great pvp
>good dlc

Bloodborne:
>fantastic game
>what pvp?
>fantastic dlc

DS3:
>good game
>bad pvp
>alright dlc

Did I get it all right?

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>>163133254

>>163137417
>DS1
>good pvp
I'd say it's alright tier

>>163136406

Thanks for the comments, I really loved your tier list for 2 which is why I wanted to update it.

Having some experience with the Torch recently I can agree, it's still bad but the cancelable WA allows you to play area control with it without being at risk of throwing knives/crossbows greatly.

Great Machete is longer and is pure physical. It's basically a discount Yhorm's that can be buffed. 2HR1 combos are nice but not needed when you can 1H easily and predict parry attempts if they're carrying something like a Caestus.

Earth Seeker is one of the shorter greataxes actually: https://www.reddit.com/r/opensouls3/comments/5hmxyf/list_of_weapon_attack_ranges_updated/

Quakestone is the second best Great Hammer arguably after the Great Club. Doesn't weigh so much and only needs 60 STR for terrific AR and a fast as the average GH attack WA that can deal tremendous damage. It also is somewhat longer then the other Great Hammers I believe but that may be conjecture. Earth Seeker's WA is also the worst in the game next to Falling Bolt.

Avelyn Exploding Bolt shenanigans goes through the bolt limit per bonfire refresh very quickly and isn't worth it compared to Arbalest if you only hit with say one bolt per round.

LKLS is good but the slower basic R1 speed compared to basic spears makes it fall short. Charge is also only good for HA trading against greatswords and halberds, otherwise a Plow is still better I think compared to it in basic attacks.

PGCS I might move down, the basic R1s are fast enough fpr me to keep it low but the damage and range makes me sick. Need to think on it more.

Good point, You Died tier needs more weapons anyway

Javelin has slower 2HR1s of basic Spears with far worse range. The throw also has so much wind-up that almost no one will ever be hit by it unless you are a master of prediction.

Mid daggers long enough and have enough AR to justify it but I agree on the Bandit and Corvian.

Agreed on the bows.

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>>163135651

- Fair enough

- I'm still not convinced. I'm not really seeing much other than an UGS with less range that can be reaction-parried (even with some latency). The WA deals a good amount of damage, but the start-up is still too slow in my opinion, although you may catch a few people that try to parry since they're expecting R1s.

- Fair enough.

- I'm a bit lost here. Poise health buffed? I thought nerfed? If my calculator here is correct you're going to need 25 poise to tank through 1 hit of the lightest of weapons and a whopping 42 to poise through a single hit of a 2H curved sword R1

- it has 10 less AR than the Zweihänder, but since it's Strike instead of Standard you'll be dealing more damage on R1s. If I am to believe the wiki the 2HR2 is still thrust though, as the weapon description states as well. Not sure if true though. Agreed on the WA.

- Fair enough. Strong point of the daggers are the staggered 2H R1s.

- The Morning Star and Reinforced Club have deal the same poise damage (I think) and reach 451 & 458 respectively, while also inflicting bleed. They're pretty close to the regular Mace I'd say.

>>163137417

DES:
>genre-defining game
>imbalanced pvp
>nonexistant dlc
DS1:
>great game
>awful pvp
>good dlc

DS2:
>good game
>great pvp
>wonderful dlc
>good co-op

Bloodborne:
>fantastic game
>rare but fantastic pvp
>fantastic dlc

DS3:
>good game
>good pvp
>good dlc

fixt

>>163137774
DeS wasn't genre-defining because no one knew it existed
DS1 is what broke out there

>>163137846
fuck off retard

>>163137774
I thought Bloodborne had pretty fun co-op too, although they certainly could have it a little easier to find someone. I played my first game all solo, but on my second game, a friend who had also beaten it once and I did a lot of teaming up and it was cool.

>>163135651
Lothrics holy sword is a godly finisher. I cant tell you how many people will miss time a roll if you do stance r1 into stance r2 now that they come out quickly one after the other.

>>163137327

Damage. 601 AR on 40/40 Refined when 2handed, almost 60 over the Murakumo. It will deal far more damage then even a full OWCS combo will normally. The Carthus CGS also is one of those weapons that is hard to trigger its status effect with even with Rouge on due to how slow it is allowing easy use of moss.

>>163137414

No, direct combat ability of weapons only.

>>163137676

If we're considering parries against the Exile an Exile user and WAR2 like you said. It is also possible to deadangle parry attempts by free aiming CGS swings bypassing the threat of obvious parry attempts.

The current poise calculator is out of date. Halberd poise health got buffed to a respectable level now. If you would like I can summon you to some fights and we can test this personally.

Strike damage is not good when Thrust damage is the only type that matters in this game besides Dark. The weapon itself says it is only Strike which based on other weapons means it only is that, and if the wiki you mention is Fextralife I'd doubt it

That's a fair point on those two but the difference between 451 AR and 481 AR is decent enough for me to justify the difference. The bleed of those two was not buffed in the patch that buffed bigger weapons bleed so even with Rouge it will require around 6 hits to inflict which gives the average player enough time to create space and pop a moss. Bleed is really mediocre in 3 imo unless it can be inflicted in one whole combo or near it.

Any advice for the big mean black knight in the Undead Parish in DS1? I just realized as I was typing this that I should probably lure him downstairs if I can, but anything else? Also is there a good enemy to use for parrying practice? I haven't figured out the timing for that yet.

>>163137921
90% of people only heard about DeS because of DS1. That's a fact.

>>163138203
Leave him alone for now and come back after you have the Covetous Gold Serpent Ring from Sen's Fortress. He's your only chance to get a Black Knight Greatsword before the end of the game.

>>163136814
I'm sorry that pointing out how shitty of an effect frost is has made you upset

>>163138203
you can reliably roll through his attacks and follow up with a backstab. repeat until dead.

>>163138317
You're fucking stupid. That's a fact.

>>163138317
i heard about DeS because of armored core FACT

>>163137417
You honestly think Broom Closet is better level design than Ashes? It does the same thing wrong as most of DS2. It makes zero sense as a place. It's monotonous and repetitive. Two of the bosses are just embarrassments.

Ashes is good. Yeah it's not huge, it's still really good. It's interesting and evolving visually, narratively, and as a videogame level, with some actual fun enemies to fight and great characters and dialogue.

Sunken King is really good too though, Ivory is just alright. The melting gimmick was novel but most of the level wasn't actually good either time. Pretty good bosses, cool weapons.

I'd say DS3 pvp is alright.

>>163137774
>ds3 pvp good
kek
This is the worst pvp we've ever had. Build variety is in the shitter, we only ever get quality fags and the rare greatsword user. Magic is gone, Miracles are gone, Pyromancy is rare, every pvp covenant besides aldrich's doesn't work, and more

>>163138787
You can try to pretend your game was popular all you want, but there's a reason no one ever talks about it.

>>163138158
caestus should be in the middle due to it countering certain weapons. It completely destroys the millwood charge, it can outtrade charge moves including gundys. Ive also had some decent luck with the demons fist using a weapon art shield. The r1 buff is especially usefull for this since you can hit confirm it into the weapon art and its lowish investment for decent ar. Ive been able to out footsies ccs users with it but then again i was usually using a bk shield with it.

am i allowed to use a black blade dex/luck build or am i automatically a faggot for unzipping?

>>163139294
both

Need some help on Aldrich. New to dark souls 3. I have almost killed him many times it's getting frustrating. I am in xbone my password is 1123.

Stregarhino

Thanks

>>163139294
>dex/luck
Katana or no, you are a faggot.

>>163137921
it's true faggot

>>163139389
He's pathetically easy if you use pyromancy on him from a distance

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>>163138158

- Even if you disregard parries, then still. I mean, let's compare the Exile CGS to the Profaned UGS for example: Exile has 27 less AR and shorter range, but slightly faster R1s. It does have the running attack, but Profaned has the pokes. Both have ok WAs. I'm not really seeing why the Exile should be High and the Profaned UGS mid-tier then.

- The one I'm using says it's updated to 1.08 so I don't know. I was certain Halberd poise health got destroyed and nerfed considerably, but if you say it didn't I believe you. It's 4:00 here so I'm going to bed now and won't be able to test it with you.

- I see, but even if the extra damage Strike deals is very small, surely it's enough to bridge a 10 AR difference. And actually, according the game it deals ''Strike/Thrust'' damage and the weapon description itself notes ''Its blade is flattened for use as a strike weapon, but the point at the end allows for thrusting''. Again, I didn't test it, but it could be true.

- If you consider the 23 AR difference between the Mace and Reinforced Club big enough, then it's fair game. Even if you rarely inflict bleed, I feel it just adds that extra bit of pressure against shield users/turtles though.

>>163138621
I'm sorry someone wanting to play a character that isn't carthus rouge + Washing Pole caused you to sperg out. Your shitty attitude is why souls pvp is monotonous cancer

>>163139294
>>163136323
Duo katana is better

>>163139389
I beat him at sl22 with a +2 cathedral sword git gud.

Is there any twins weapons for sl 30 and below that aren't ASS flamberge and DSA

>>163137774
no one cared about des before das, there aren't any des clones or games inspired on des.
>DS1:
>awful pvp
>DS3:
>good pvp
lmao

>>163138501
>>163138781
Actually lured him downstairs and whored my fireball and got him. Is that gay?

>>163139539
i'm aware. that's why i chose the worst katana

>>163139610
nah good job

>>163138621
Fuck off dude, it's a video game
Fun > effectiveness

>>163139591
Glaive and rhh are ok
maybe demons fist

>>163139682
You need to go full cancer, no reason to gimp yourself, because everyone will hate you anyway.

>>163139462
>>163139581
Thanks I'll try pyro

>>163139294
>>163139682
Just use the chaos blade, anything that isnt the washing pole or 2kat wont get you nearly as much hate.

>>163126237

Hey folks,

Life got in the way and DS3 fell by the wayside. Never finished. Now that the DLC is out and time is flowing more freely I'm looking to start afresh.

I'd like to do a Xanthous Scholar type of build, using the oolacile sorcs. for the keks, curious if you guys have any ideas for weapons that would work well for this flavor? I'd like something light and fast.

>>163139591
Unironically dark hand

>>163139479

Exile has the benefit of slightly longer reach on basic R1s compared to a Profane as well. The greatsword buffs really hurt the viability of curved greatswords in comparison but the Exile has enough AR for its relative attack speed to justify it being high. At 40 END you can get 6 R1s in a row with the Exile or 5 R1s and a roll, so the lower stamina cost versus a UGS is also a benefit. Speaking as someone whose weaponfu is the Profaned GS in practical terms the Exile has edge.

1.08 patch did nerf halberds, its just their poise health was boosted recently. Same with other non-great hammer ultras to be on the level of great hammers.

You are actually right anon and now I look like a fool, it is Strike/Thrust. Based on that and the fact that on looking at the stats the CKGS has the same length as the BKGS I'll move it to low-tier.

The Club/Mace argument still isn't convincing me, raw damage matters more then bleed to me when the main draw of the hammers is 2HR1 trading which the Mace is the 'best' at of the non-Warpick ones.

Have a good nights sleep anon!

>>163139993
Try the Heysel Pick.

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HAIL SATAN HAIL SATAN

>>163140564
>int scaling hammer
Is Heysel the only STR/INT NPC in Dark Souls?

using greathammers is still suffering i see

>>163141079
Greatclub is pretty good.

>>163141027
Court Sorcerer

So every once in a while there's this yellow light and I get +1 use in my Estus flask. WTF is causing that? If it should be obvious and I'm retarded, sorry.

>>163139106

Caestus range even 1H is still shit range that doesn't let you even combo into an L1 which is where the only good Caestus damage comes from. Perseverance reaction punishing certain predictable charge moves is also not that much of a positive for the weapon, a good Millwood or Gundyr's user would just freeaim those charges to not hit you if you perseverance or not do them at all and fuck you up with their greater reach.

I want a non meta set up to dumpseter reactive parry spamming morons.

What do you anons suggest

>>163141291
every instance your earn souls equal to your soul level, you get an estus charge

i.e. SL67 = 67 kills, or "soul earns" = 1 estus charge

>>163141307
the r1 buff benifits the demons fist mainly since you can combo r1 into wa. Ive played a shit ton of arena and no one has ever reacted quickly enough to move their charge away from a pers since most of the time i use it, I have it in my offhand and Im able to quickly enough power stance it and activate the wa. Im just saying it counters certain weapons and strategies. I forgot to mention its devastating against quickstep weapons.

>>163141597
make a mace man

great club

mace

arb

heavy ass armor

win, when they get feisty and you switch to mace and shit on them with pers

>>163141754

Demon Fists are better then Caestus I think but the lack of R1 range still makes it a worse general weapon. The WA of the Fists has relatively fast start-up for an offensive WA but the actual damage isn't that great compared to if you land a Claws WA combo while lacking the extra range Claws have.

Also updated list based on comments and suggestions in this thread, major changes are in the bow category.

does /dsg/ do fight clubs? if so what is the SL range?

>>163142157
SL 200 because our hosts suck

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>>163142081

Accidentally posted a template version of the list I used a while back, reposting.

>>163142236
200? you have to be shitting me

>>163142293
Look up in the thread if you don't belive me.
It's always only the same shitters

>>163142081
no other fist weapon has a hit confirm though, and if a demons fist user used the wa on a caestus user, the caestus would win, heck it beats the crow talons weapon art since pers lasts long enough to stagger them out of their wa, but maybe Im just so god like that i make it viable.

>>163137589
>and is pure physical
I hope you don't think that DSGA is weak because of the split damage.

>Earth Seeker is one of the shorter greataxes actually
Not so sure about that. That link doesn't have three of the greataxes. As much reach as BKGA is fairly good. Thanks for the link, though.

>Doesn't weigh so much and only needs 60 STR for terrific AR
It's consistently 50 AR weaker than Earth Seeker (with 40 FAI), but it is good for a GH.

>Earth Seeker's WA is also the worst in the game next to Falling Bolt.
Yeah, it's an R1 machine like all the other greataxes. Do you use GA weapon arts aside from Warcry?
Where's my drakekeeper greataxe 2hr2, From?

Despite the WA, despite the inability to be buffed, lack of unique r2s, despite being a disappointment, it's still a decent AR greataxe with longer reach than the Greataxe. I do think you should give it a shot.
Being underwhelming doesn't mean being Dark Hand tier. Sub-Vordt's Great Hammer tier.

>but the slower basic R1 speed compared to basic spears
This is only a problem if you're one-handing it, which you shouldn't be. I think the inability to turtle is made up for with backroll-punishing running attacks, the powerful r2 and charge. Yeah, probably not DSS tier.

>The throw also has so much wind-up that almost no one will ever be hit by it unless you are a master of prediction.
Well yes, this was my point. I might be special here since I loved playing with ultra weapons / windup prediction attacks in DaS2 and the Javelin is one of the few that rewards this mastery. I don't find it hard to land.
There are many attacks you can counter on reaction with it, it's not like it's a ultra weapon charged 2hr2.

Keep it up, man.

>>163142396
i believe you, it's just that SL200 is boring.

>>163142520
Most people who come are 120. The host of the last FC was absurdly high leveled, so a 207 wasn't downscaled, but that isn't the norm.

>Really like the DS2 greatswords moveset
>Hollowslayer looks ugly and Drakeblood is shit

Fuck this shit I'm going Drakeblood for stylish points

>>163142619
>implying every host doesn't shit the FC one way or another eventually

>>163142715
>Picking a weapon based solely on aesthetics

Kek I do the same all the time and end up investing too much time in shit weapons.

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>>163142715
>and Drakeblood is shit
???

>>163143001

I'm talking about DS3 anon, where it no longer has S dex scaling

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>>163143051
? ? ? ? ?

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>>163142915

Fuck AR, SR (Style Rating) is all that matters

>>163143149

>368 on a buffed GS

Holy shit that's awful

so it turns out the brigand twindaggers are really shit against turtles

>>163142429

You're judging this based against two other fist weapons, the problem is against anything with better range which is substantial amount of weapons in the game it is very hard to land that even with perfect perseverance timing. Fists are relatively good as fists but their problems are severe as is.

>>163142445

Nah the split damage of DSGA isn't bad but the effective damage of the GM combined with its range means its more practical imo. DSGA is still good for the R1 stagger game but GM has the edge.

You're convincing me on the Earth Seeker just looking at the raw numbers. I'd like to test it more before moving it up both using it and against it but the AR argument is hard to ignore. Might move it up to DGAxe's place and lower that to the lower rung of low tomorrow.

Even 2HR1s have a noticeable delay compared to other spears. It's not crippling but in a pure R1 match a Plow or DSS will be able to space almost evenly with it and out speed it. The running attack of the LKLS is awful though, takes up almost all your stamina with terrible movement during it for damage that doesn't amount to the investment usually, might as well do Charge by that point.

Let me clarify, by master of prediction I mean predicting great weapon attacks since those are the only ones slow enough for a Javelin prediction to hit without the opponent being able to roll out. From my experience greatswords and halberds are able to get a free R1 off the opponent when they try and use it. I may just be fighting bad Javelin users however, same problem I have with the Estoc.

>>163143149
Drakeblood is entirely worse than the greatsword of judgement.

>>163143270
it's pretty gay that my L1's don't actually chain more than two hits. what is this weapon even good for

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>>163143460
>greatsword of judgement
>bad
???

would dark souls be better with strict timing windows a la street fighter?

>>163143748
I said
"Drakeblood is entirely worse than the greatsword of judgement."

Drakeblood WORSE THAN greatsword of judgement (the best greatsword in the game)

There is no reason to use the drakeblood gs over the GSoJ.

i truly believe that flynn's ring should add just a flat 2% AR minimum

Why is there an enormous phantom range on falling attacks?

who else holds their controller with right index finger on the sprint button?

>>163144192
memezaki moron

ever notice the colossal phantom range on longsword/broad sword/any r1 spamming sword?

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I have a very weird problem that just keeps happening in DaS 2.
Whenever I join someone else's game as a phantom, or when they join mine, inevitably we both end up getting desync'd the fuck out: after I kill enemies in the room, the other person walks in and suddenly starts swinging their sword at the air, occasionally losing health, even though there's literally nothing there but corpses from my side.


Has anyone else met with such a curious phenomena?

>>163144386
keep talking like that and you're about to be met with my penis kiddo

>>163144346
Yeah, for short sprints I use the side of the tip, for longer sprints I bend the finger further and use the first joint.

NEED THAT CAMERA CONTROL, YO

Can undead eat, sleep, breathe, and have sex?

>when the hosts gank squad gets butt fucked and he instantly pulls the plug

LMAO

full ltg mode

>>163143290
>The running attack of the LKLS is awful though
There's a reason I mentioned punishing backrollers. That's all it's good for, and it is good at that. It's not possible to dodge it by just rolling backwards without bloodring shenanigans, though the damage is low and you shouldn't try it against someone with a parry tool.
You can condition people into rolling away from you with the 2hr2's crazy tracking.
If the situation is right, it's free chip damage. It's like a shitty DaS2 lance charge.
>but in a pure R1 match
If you are only R1ing with the LKLS you may be doing it wrong. It's a countering and trading tool that outtrades other spears with its stronger charge. Charging into spear r1 spammers, charging when predicting their attacks, charging after baiting them into rolling into me with a 2hr2.
It's something GFS and the Plow can't do for fear of backstab, something the DSS can't do as well because of that horrible ass 2hr2 and loud tell.
I don't disagree that it's worse than them though. It does ultimately rely on you being better than them.

>might as well do Charge by that point.
Charge has a windup, the running attack doesn't.

>I mean predicting great weapon attacks since those are the only ones slow enough
Fair enough.
> I may just be fighting bad Javelin users however
You can't truly judge weapons based on how other people use them. You have to be good and have practiced with the weapons to accurately rate them.
You also have to consider: was the other guy trying? good at all? TOO good to compare to the average player, one of the 1%?

With my DaS2 tier list I'd go through all of the weapons and try to make the most out of them in the arena against tryhards, along with FCs and invasions. Had to consider the weapon's potential in a variety of situations.
That's kind of why I never bothered with the DaS3 tier list. I didn't enjoy the pvp until the arena.

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>>163144642

Is Gargoyle Flame Hammer good? It's seems pretty cool...

Man there's a lot of complex questlines in Dark Souls 3, which ones are worth it?

>>163144971
its horrible but flamespear is baller

Anything I should know about reinforcing weapons and armor in DS1? Got me 4 titanite shards and just met the smith.

>>163144971
One of the worst weapons in the game. Extremely underwhelming weapon. Barely better than the great wooden hammer.

I have a webm somewhere of a hypermode RTS + morion blade glass cannon doing 600 damage with the WA with all hits to a stationary host.

>>163145154
Weapon > Shield > Armor in importance of upgrades

Knight, Giant's, Black Iron are the most efficient for the upgrades. Some armors come with their full defense and don't need to be upgraded, like Stone, Havel's, Smoughs and are pretty strong because of it.

>>163145296
fugg, i wish i hadn't spent 2 of my chunks on it
oh well, better than wasting a slab

>>163143827
The way the wrote it sounded like it was a bad GS

>>163145296
Thanks man. I've decided I really like the winged spear. Does that stay viable for a bit or is that going to be a waste of titanite? Or will I end up with enough titanite that it doesn't matter and I should just relax and do what I feel like?