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Non-meta Xmas cake edition

Shadowverse is a class-based collectible card game akin to Hearthstone /hsg/
The next expansion, Rise of Bahamut, will be released on December 29th.

Official reveal site
https://shadowverse.com/cardpack/riseofbahamut/

28 cards left!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jfOwl01oC0Xw7Jowun6LBK_01qzmpauM6yN7VhYlefc/edit#

Platforms: iOS, Android, Steam (http://store.steampowered.com/app/453480/)

Official Website:
https://shadowverse.com/

Card Database / Deck Editor:
https://shadowverse-portal.com/

Intro Guide/FAQ:
http://pastebin.com/xNmQuDzR (embed) (read this if you're new)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ibw62rcFMrkvWl_KPKUuRC_0f7LbvwE27ubQ-EJo0oQ/edit?usp=sharing
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=799676100

Take 2 Card Rankings:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k55fDS9LpX66H-pm5EgGouqwQSCF-sje-o5UwrXUwdI/htmlview#

Get your cheat sheets here: http://imgur.com/a/Dpbmh
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Some anon made an all-in-one Steam undub and uncensor for the lazy or mentally handicapped. Open wide and enjoy responsibly:

https://mega.nz/#!tl1mGaIQ
Decryption key: !tsu910nR6lT_xTQAx9QUNI_96DLJ0mvgIwwThp5lPS4
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Artwork of all the cards, ripped from the game:
https://mega.nz/#!ekIjXaza!qKXIP9x0tZ5ooNDXk-HHudlUBiZR_Zt3pmF4PhYMxrI

A growing collection of animated golds/legendaries:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QUpZN9cgz0dvh637EYl5Pcx7PkXJlpufIL9Muc08jB8/edit#gid=1781390872

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Come here if you want to search for card artworks:
http://www.corpetit.com/public/rage_of_bahamut/
Search by artists:
http://seesaawiki.jp/mnga_bahamut/

You can listen to both EN/JP voices for cards at this place:
http://usamin.love/sv.html

Get your iDOLM@STER Emblems and Sleeves with this guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/453480/discussions/0/152390648098880643/

8PP'd: >>162858875
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Cumming inside Fenrir's boyhole!
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>>162881902
Fenrir is a girl
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>>162881923
You are entirely incorrect
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>>162881832
i want to eat a christmas cake
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Rate this list
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will veigh be the new alt leader ?
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if odds i spend the gold i've been saving up on packs
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Remove elf
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>>162882067
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>>162882019
3/3
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https://twitter.com/_Tensh1_/status/809557864385638410
elana now a 7 cost card.
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>>162882153
What
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>take two
>90% cards offered are 5PP

mfw
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I want to fill Luna's womb to the brim with my seed and make her pregnant!
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>>162882214
It's a hoax
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>Bahamut gets all the thicc girls
>We're stuck with a bunch of flat chested lolis and yugioh monster rejects
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>>162882019
>no tokens
The chances of you successfully getting Purgatory off are extremely low.
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How do you make Earth Rite great Anons?
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>>162882019
smash that concede button / 10
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>>162882153
>>162882214

>Cygame puts a picture of Elana in a magazine
>implying they will nerf it 2 weeks later
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>>162882295

give us the option to use or not use earth rite when playing cards

let us choose which earth rite to consume when playing cards

CONSISTENCY
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MSD is cute! CUTE!
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Whos the hardest Elite AI?
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>>162882153
˙-˙ ᶠᶸᶜᵏᵧₒᵤ
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Need private match quest please.

30372
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>>162882253
S-should I just wait until the expansion to play it
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>>162881832
How can other craft even compete?
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>>162882153
who the fuck is eira
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>>162882465
Discard Dragon is not meant to be a PTP deck, anon
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>>162882549
Then what do I replace PtP with
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>>162882153
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>haven cocksucker draws the perfect curve
Wow, so skillful.
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>>162882019
>ace dragoon
for what purpose
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I want cummies on my tummy, onii-chan.
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>>162882718
I have no idea. Please help me fix it
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>>162882463
Send help ;_;
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I wish they made Unranked actually be Unranked instead of Ranked without rewards.
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>>162882579

Don't listen to that other anon, there was a madman who made PtP discard flute work (read as not an auto-concede deck). It's not about whether it was meant to be, but if you can make it so.
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>>162882806
>implying I'm not gonna use my netdecks to finish dailies asap
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>>162882743
Dear God her arms are broken
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>>162882830
Anon you realize that ptp activates about a turn before you deck yourself right?
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haven legendaries W H E N
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>>162882093
>Don't have the Royal Elf alliance image for some reason
>Go to pixiv and find this
Soon Luna will remove Elf with spooky monsters.

>>162882253
With the speed they like to deck themselves, I don't know.
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>>162882806

>reee I can only win against noobs
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>>162882830
I don't have and can't afford flute right now. I just want to make the deck I currently have work (as much as Dragon can)

Any suggestions?
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>>162882463
Thanks Mr. Skeletal
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>>162882579
Right now, not a lot of good options. Best I have found are stormers like Forte or Seabrand. You can also try more control oriented with Olivia/Odin and stall out your opponent. It doesn't really have a win condition right now.

The other possibility to play it like an aggro dragon deck since things like Flame Lizard/Sieg/Flaming Breath/Dragonnewt Scholar works for both. Once you stall out try to alter fate into your discard combos. Consistency is quite poor however.
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>>162882932
Is that the whole pic?
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>>162882806
this

like literally how the fuck can they even call it unranked if it CALCULATES YOUR FUCKING RANK
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>>162882886
uh, no? They look fine
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>>162883043
look again
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>RoB got hell load of Xmas themed cards
>somehow the ranked reward for December has nothing to do with the festival

They need to shot whoever thinks it's a good idea to have sleeves and emblems for infamous cards for this month.
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>>162882932
Oh, the problem isn't due to how fast they deck themselves. That's the easy part.

The tricky part is landing Purgatory in that moment where they have 30 shadows, but haven't decked themselves.

It's an extremely thin window.

Keep in mind Flute is a permanent non-shadow unless your opponent has amulet removal, Purgatory as well.
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>>162883098
Why don't you. They look fine idiot.
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>>162883108
They should give all users free christmas themed class card for all the classes.
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wish isabelle's boobs were interactable
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>play aggrobats
>get matched against the only 5 guys that play dearth rite
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What does /svg/ think Rune Aggro is gonna look like? It almost seems like there's two possible Rune Aggro decks at this point - one focusing on tokens and burn sorta like Bats does now, and the other going for the new legendary and focusing on getting free followers for oppressive early board presence. It'd be pretty cool if both types made it into the meta, but since it's likely that only one will, which do ya think it'd be?
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>>162883196
This needs to be a feature.
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>>162883108
how do i play roB ??? i cant find it in gaijin store
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>>162882830
That anon was in full meme mode, and he probably won most of his games with his Fortes or the Flute anyway.

The major problem with PTP discard dragon is once Rite is on the board you can't get rid of it even when you want to. I've played many a match where I had altered fate and PTP in hand, and could play both and get to 30 shadows, only to realize that I will have to then draw 12 cards and deck myself. The timing of the altered fates are too fickle to control.
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>>162883043
If you look, her wrists have to be about an inch or two from her elbows for that pose to work
Her upper arms are at too slight an angle from her body for there to be any real forearm

Plus, her upper arms look like they're coming forwards from the shoulder, but in order to have her hands on her stomach like she does they'd have to be in a completely different pose for the elbows to bend back inwards

Please reconsider
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>>162883160
If only Flute discarded the weenies and got shadows out of them in the process of making Hellflames instead of just transforming them.

Then the meme train would have no brakes.
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>>162883181
no, they really don't. her forearms are about 1/4 the length they should be
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>>162883108
I like to think that they're just going to throw Christmas sleeves into our mail on Christmas eve.
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>>162883304
I hope they throw few packs in there too
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>>162883272
Oh, I meant Rites instead of Flute. Though yeah, since Flute is direct card transformation it doesn't help either.
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>>162883268
You're wrong, and apparently autistic, since you're still replying.
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someone post sunlight haven deck
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>turn3
>Acient Elf
>turn5
>WindGod
>turn6
>Cynthia
>turn7
>tia
>turn8
>Concede
This curve kills the Dragon
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>>162883365
>make two posts
>autistic
what the fuck
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75922

Anyone for a concede?
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>>162883108
Agreed; RoB had so much great seasonal art, it's really a shame they haven't decided to use any of it yet. Still holding out hope for some sort of event that might as least give some holiday sleeves, but since they didn't do it for Halloween they probably won't do it for Christmas either.
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>>162883395
She looks too cute
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>>162883365
Just for this kneejerk post calling someone autistic for making a single detailed post I hope someone shitposts about Medusa's arms until the end of time.
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>>162883403
you're pathetic.
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>>162883030
No, thought the tentacles might be a bit too /d/.

>>162883160
Ah, yeah. I have to imagine something closer to Discard Dragon is kind of what they had in mind when they made it and said reaching 30 was hard.

Probably why the new Rune legendary banishes your hand, too.
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>>162883410
Thank you
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>>162883473
Lol, literally autism. Fucking weebs just can't help yourselves. Every time.
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>opponent keep emoting whenever i kill one of his ding dongs
>losses because he does not have enough card draw

is this what they call irony?
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>>162883395
>>turn3
>>Acient Elf
Dragon is a class with basically no means to remove Acient Elf without fucking up the evolves unless you are lucky and have Sig in hand for turn4
Without him on turn4 Forest pretty much close the game in his favor, a Tia any point of the match later also kills the whole FaceDragon deck
There is a reason Dragon isn't Ttier 1 :^)
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>>162883108

>coco and mimi just call Cerb "Middle Head"

Well, I suppose it's fitting.
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>>162883719
>kill one of his ding dongs
Murdering scum.
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>>162882932
sauce
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>>162883772
Whats wrong with her face?
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How does /svg/ cope with not being able to make any progress for days. I have the same points for 2 days in AA2 and sometimes I wish I can quit this game.
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>>162883890
By making progress, duh.
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>>162883860
anime
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>>162883742
That why dragon has the 2/1 lizards to clear the board early, if you drew neither that or sieg you are pretty much boned
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>>162883860

Not being the main characters does that to you.

Like, she's just there later on in the tv series.
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>>162883890
I'm a casual baby and don't even complete my dailies every day if it looks like too much effort. Been playing since DEish and I'm still not AA.
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>>162883890
I wonder what it feels to be master rank

not really sure what master point are even for other than muh leaderboard
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>>162883218
Gonna be DShift but Darias and Craigs instead of sorcery caches and actual Dshifts.
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>>162883890
play a good deck, herp derp
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>>162883775
I really didn't enjoy this.
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>>162883934
Anon, I did win up till 10 winstreak a couple times but then shit just went downhill afterwards.

>>162884053
Well, good fo you then.

>>162884058
I just want to reach master so I can finally play other craft and my meme deck without deranking any further.

>>162884094
I have every cancer deck anon. But I guess maining one deck is the only choice since when I switch between them a couple times, I ended up losing points.
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>>162883218
I think the build will be very straight forward. You'll run most or all of the spellboost cost reduction followers, their follower enablers, Levi, then removal that gains you momentum like the new spell in your image, Glow and Dance.

The only thing I'm really not sure about is whether or direct damage spells will be worth running and what kind of summoning spells will be worthwhile. I don't think you need snowmen, but Conjure Golem seems solid enough.
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>>162881834
Remove bloodfangs and get wardrobe raider
Switch devil for erin
Remove abyss beast and save up for vampire queen
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i'm new to the game,
and how cancerous is elana?

i've encountered one,
and i can't keep up killing all the followers.
bullshit salty
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>>162884371
What rank are you?
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>>162884419
D
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>reach A1 a week ago
>today
>halfway to A1
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>Losing agaist someone with the Sandbagging flair
I have 3x Birdsong 3x Pinion 3x Garuda 3x Aria and i almost never draw any of these before turn 6
Haven is a fucking hell now
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>>162884371
It's the most frustrating deck in the game to play against but ultimately I wouldn't call it cancerous, even though I fucking hate it. You can beat it with aggro, you can beat it with control, it's pretty fucking stupid how swingy its draws are but it really doesn't have much of an effect on the meta at large and I wouldn't call it dominant.

DShift and PtP are the other similar decks that're absolutely meta warping.
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>>162884527
What are you playing?
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http://may.2chan.net/b/src/1481841570116.webm
http://may.2chan.net/b/src/1481841509327.webm

Were these posted here yet?
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Cuckgel is absolutely fucking absurd. It completely outclasses every other 4-drop evolve.
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>wake up
>still no spooky ghost reveal
>the only dead girl we got is just a zombie cosplaying as a nurse

Cygames please. I can't fap to that.
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>>162884351
but wardrode bitch is useless whitout evo points
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>>162884610
Last thread, yea
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>>162884371
>haven

People who play any variation of Haven are immoral pieces of shit and should be banned from the /svg/ community.
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>>162884672

Floral Fencer
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>>162884692
So what's the other side of the door look like?
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>>162884573
Aggrobat
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>>162884709
That's why you're removing devil
Cutie is almost baldie-tier vs aggro decks unlike him
Guess it depends on what you're facing the most
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>>162884610
>http://may.2chan.net/b/src/1481841509327.webm
isn't that dead already
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How would you fix Vengeance?
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>>162884895
it act like the overflow mechanic.
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>>162884748

Soft wiggling ghost tail
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>>162884527
I am similar, with the difference i am not moving much from A0 starting point
I think i am around 45% WR
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>>162884895
I'd make cards with vengeance effects not understatted like fucking rain devil unless their effect was something supremely good like the new one: gain an evo point.

Then I'd remove angry roach noises.
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>>162884895
trigger at 13 hp instead of 10

13 is n edgy number it still works
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>>162884939
>dire bond
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>>162884539
Wind god??????? What fuck is it doing in your haven deck. Maybe that is one of the reasons why you never draw it.
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>>162885078
>level 100 havencuck
>stuck in A0
kys you worthless faggot
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>>162884895
Trigger everytime you take damage.
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>>162885079
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>>162885106
wind god isn't even bad in storm haven
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>>162885079
Every class has shit cards with their mechanic. Elf has a bunch of combo cards nobody knows about, Royal has shitty commanders, Necro has a bunch of bad necromancy cards, etc. The ones that everyone uses are actually pretty strong like Diabolic Drain, Revelations, Righteous Devil, Alucard, etc. The problem isn't with Vengeance but with control decks being bad in general because of PtP and DS.
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>>162885078
>Havencraft

Get aids and cancer you filthy whore.
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Post user cards
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>>162883454

Thats not a skirt, just a big belt
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>>162885410
BANISH, JEW
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Ruh roh
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>>162885291
It's definitely worse than other things you should be running in that slot
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>>162885410
vanish, like the jew
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>>162884895
2pp
Amulet
Deal 10 damage to your leader. At the end of your turn, destroy this amulet.
Last Words: Restore 12 defense to your leader.

1pp
Spell
Return an allied follower or amulet to your hand.
Restore 1 defense to an ally.
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>>162885518
>bloody mary value
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>>162884895
I don't change anything about Vengeance itself. Right now the cards are just way too shit for what a mess the requirements are.
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>>162885410
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>>162885518
>Play Bloody Mary
>Win
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>>162885497
storm haven has plenty of room for tech cards, there's like 30 cards you "should" be running and the remaining can be preference or match up techs, wind god doesn't steal a slot from anything
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>>162885495
>Has 2 life left
>Drops Lord of the Flies
>Velocious Beetle, and he evolves it
>Drops second Lord of the Flies
>Another Velocious Beetle
I am so fucking mad right now
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>>162885130
I don't play only Haven now
But the ammount of WARDS or Control in general i keep face in literally 100% of the matches is killing Aggro for me and i have only Aggro decks
>>162885106
trying a this list now
https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.7.640Ho.640Ho.640Ho.640Hy.640Hy.640Hy.63_po.63_po.63_po.67pxY.67pxY.60COQ.60COQ.60COa.60COa.645AS.645AS.645AS.67st2.67st2.67st2.642Ey.642Ey.640IQ.640IQ.640IQ.61PnY.61PnY.60E5y.60E5y.60E5y.61Pni.61Pni.659nE.659nE.6477S.67uqM.67uqM.67uqM.645Pw
Aria is still one of the cards i played the less since C3, i just never find it
Won atleast a good dozen of matches without seeing a single Aria in my hand, back in C, now without Aria i just don't win
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>>162885518
Fix the amulet by just making it a spell that gives you Vengeance for that turn, making it a raw effect like that is open to too many abusive synergies as people have pointed out
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>>162885468
>>162885507
w-what
no bully
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>>162884895
give blood ice block and molten giants
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>>162885659
its like azazel + bloody mary
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>>162885812
you can't play azazel and bloody mary in the same turn
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>>162885812
cept that costs more than 10 pp so mary has to survive a turn to pull it off
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>>162885812
Not really. It's impossible to combo them because Azazel is 9 cost. He also doesn't actually do 10 damage, he sets everyone's health to 10, so he can heal you if your health is less than 10.
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HELP
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>>162885912
>>162885929
>>162885946

Yeah, its really situational, but if you manage to pull that combo somehow, its pretty good

i managed to do it against a heal haven, it was pure GLORY
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NEW CHANNERU IS OUT

NEW CHANNERU IS OUT

NEW CHANNERU IS OUT

NEW CHANNERU IS OUT

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1481867341
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>>162886064
Great, now someone FUCKIN TRANSLATE IT REEEEEEEE
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>japanese opponent
>unranked, doin muh missions

why
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Cute
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>>>/v/360828371

Is he right
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Why I only get the retarded memedecks when I'm using my suicide blood deck to sandbag with style? I swear this becomes a competition on who loses the most embarrassingly.
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>>162885989
thanks dragonman
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>>162886225
>some retard at B0 giving his opinions

of course not
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>>162885463
No, THIS is just a belt.
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>>162886064
>just as I'm about to leave
fuggg
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>>162886225

>B shitter complaing about his bad curve

Yeah, probably.
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>>162885410
I am going full sandbag mode now, not like i am not already doing it
It will suck for score rewards though
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>>162886391
>Censoring your name
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>>162886437
I am shy
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Is niconico finally updating their player? Took them long enough.
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>>162883890
i dont know this feel, been rocketing up the ladder ever since i made my aggro shadow deck
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>>162886470
Hello, shy
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>>162886532
Dad get off the internet
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>>162885410
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>>162886495
Not sure about this, but I think premium members started getting the HTML player a while ago. I still have the same shitty old player though.
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>>162886631
HTML player works for everyone now
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>>162886018
If they leave Mary alive they're asking to get murdered in several different ways regardless. Azazel's combo power even lessens with your health so especially that late in they have to really be asleep to get a 16-20 combo off.

Not that you always need that much. When they think they're safe from on high or that healing will matter and leave 8 unevolved power on board is the funniest thing.

>>162886064
>Lewd roach
Cute!
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>>162884539
>Sandbagging flair
which one is this
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Need a concede.

37521
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>>162886794
Unbridled Madness
Win 500 ranked
Below AA0 is sandbagging
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>>162886818
Thanks dragonbro.
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>>162885567
>>162885659
Set your leader's defense to 10.
Set it to 1 instead if Vengeance is active for you.
At the end of your turn, destroy this amulet.
Last Words: Restore 4 defense to your leader.
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>>162886786
Arisa is a bian!

>>162886794
Probably 500 wins but practically any flair in low ranks. Win rate needed to climb is so low I can't see anyone with monthly sleeves in C being genuine.
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>>162886775
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Cygames is selling real card packs at the winter comiket.
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>bought 29 DE packs using crystal
>no lego
>not even animated gold

End my life.
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>>162887143
How is that even possible?
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>>162885410
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>>162887143
>He didn't post "Glory be!"
>Bitches about packs
You've only yourself to blame.
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>>162887131
Okay but how are you gonna do shit like track your spellboost without giving it out completely to your opponent
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>>162887131
>my filthy gaijin hands will never posess these
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>>162886786
ARISA WITH GLASSESN A CUTE
A CUTEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>162886786
Is that ancient elf senpai?
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>>162887252
they for decor u retard
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>>162887331
Then why sell it at packs with 8 cards each?
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>>162887252
They're novelty items, not actually for playing
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why would anyone ever want to fuck a elf
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>>162887252
You put them on the table and put a dice on top of them indicating the spellboost.
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>vs an elana cuck
>they pass THREE turns in a row
>win by turn 5 despite his attempts to heal himself back into the game
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So I'm new and just got this as my seventh leggo. Do any Blood decks use the card?
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Can I have AA or higher people tell me what I'm doing wrong with Rune? What should I be keeping in my hand as Dshift vs certain decks?
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>>162887470
No
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>>162887470
is not worth it IMO
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>>162887424
>completely give away that you've been spellboosting your hand OR make the enemy call bullshit when you say this card is x times spellboosted
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>>162887424

He's saying then you telegraph what kind of cards you have in hand.
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>>162886512
Nah, that's just me being shitty at other deck. I've been making a huge progress ever I switch back to my 1st deck. Halfway to AA3 which is 2k points above the point where I stuck.
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>>162887143
literally happened to me yesterday.

worst part is I'm going to throw more money at them like a retard next expansion.
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The one time i get Arias, i still lose
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>>162887519
You can also bluff and put down cards that aren't really spellboosted.
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>>162887519
You put a dice in front of each card (Even if they can't be spellboosted, so they don't know how many spellboostable card you have).
Whenever you cast a spell, you raise all the dice by one. You do this in front of your opponent, so you can't be cheating.
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>>162887404
Yeah, I wonder.
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>PtP only hits face
There, i fixed the game
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>PtP only hits followers
There, i fixed the game
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>>162887519
Simply keep track of spellboost for all cards even if they're not spellboostable.

If it turns out they weren't a spellboost card then they weren't.
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Erika strong!
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>Dragon Sugita-san is still their favourite meme
Arisa Channel is the best.
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>>162887678
elfs aren't real anon

how can you be attracted to something that doesn't exist
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>>162887759
wtf swordcraft op
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>>162887601
>oh man this guy sure has been spell boosting and not using that card for a while now
>I wonder what it could be
This doesn't happen ingame by the way since you can't keep track if a card that's new or old is played since it's always the nearest card that's being shown being used up
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>>162887801
People are still attracted to a working socialist state
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>>162887807
I really wish they'd change that

it makes the game that much more strategic, and it'd be super useful against dshift (probably)
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>>162887873
I don't believe that.

I think they believe they are attracted to that, but they can't be because it doesn't exist, so really they don't know what they want and just lack that self-awareness.
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>>162887234
this post is now outdated
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>>162887907
Obviously it's my Fire Chain spellboosted 20 times
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>>>/v/360831731

Did /vg/ meme me in saying PtP elf was tier 1?
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>>162882995
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOAR
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>>162887907
That is a dumb idea anon. That's just adding munchkin bullshit to the game with no upside in fun.
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>>162887759
Explain
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Need a concede, please.

37616
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>>162887907
That's an awful idea. It raises the skill floor to the game but not the cap, just adds a binary skill that you have to get good at to optimize play that's either "on" or "off" without any significant impact on decision making or information gathering.
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>>162888023
PtP is extremely strong.
It just exists in an environment full of things that kill it.
It's strong enough to change the meta so that people would specifically build against it.
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>>162888023
I closed that thread after arguing with the spastic who is convinced PtP Elf is a Tier 3 deck despite it being one of the most played decks in masters and in tournaments. Take nothing in that thread without a mountain of salt, because the people posting in it haven't got fucking clue what they're talking about

>>162888027
Gotta say anon I dont really understand this post
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>keep getting matched against elf cunts
i just want to rank up
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>>162888164
You expressed an opinion saying that you like the idea of being able to track how long a card has been in someones hand. Thus my response.

Unless I misread?
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I'm probably just going against retards, but this is working out better than expected
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>play only meme decks on ladder
>beat a seraph elana faggot with my vengeance deck
>first ragequitter encountered in days

wew
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>new expansion
>shadow is still a joke of a class
>more rng
>no new card draw
>no new aria-tier broken shit

I'm not sure I can play Forestverse for another 3 months, /svg/.
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>>162888164
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>>162888264
I'm just not familiar with the term "munchin bullshit". I guess it just threw me off.
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>>162888317
Still a few cards left and remember Beastcall Aria is silver
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>>162883249
English RoB shut down because it wasn't making enough to sustain itself or something.
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>>162888317
>the most manipulable rng possible, khawy, corpse and necroassassin won't even be relevant rng most of the time
>card draw ever being an issue for shadow
>excellent control cards and counters for haven

quit ya bitchin lad
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>>162888274
Dragon being bad is mainly a meme.
It is in a weird spot xpac wise as it's getting some decent stuff for an archetype that has been utter garbage and then a lot of garbo to iffy normal cards. Like disco might be able to pull together all these pieces, like the ability to have positive card draw or good disco early game. If not, this xpac might just be a big steamy dump on dragon.


But right now Dragon's doing fine.
Face Dragon is a very good deck, and Storm Ramp is quite solid as well.
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>>162888354
>tier lists determined by win rates

damn i guess Dshift is a tier 3 deck as well. you know, given that its also got a win rate of ~48%

what hack website did you find that on?
>go look into it
>shadowverse.gampress
WEW LAD

HOLY SHIT THEY ACTUALLY DO LIST DSHIFT AT T3

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO PAY ATTENTION TO THESE LISTS
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>>162888358

>2 bronze left

>>162888436

Last I read, Haven got another follower that flips the board for just being a Silver card.

>card draw

Soul conversion and Soul Cycle? What else? Necroqueen is too slow and demanding.
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>>162888357
Oh ok, it's kinda hard to explain but I'll try. Munchkin is a term for the sort of person who compulsviely min-maxs.

Please tell me you know what min-maxing is
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>>162888317
Shadow got a lot of good cards, card draw is not a problem for shadow, and the RNG is very easily manipulated. Quit fucking crying.
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>>162888436
Corpse is so good.
It screws Ancient Elf so good and has great synergy with everything shadow has.

I love it.
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>1 May
>2 Rhinoceroach, trade
>3 Ancient Elf, gets removed
>4 Ptp
>5 Elven Princess Mage, evolves
>6 0 cost fairies and Tia. Eve gets banished.
>7 Concede.

Why am I always winning with my retard memedecks when I don't want to win? I got banner sword who never managed to pull the banner or maid, a elana haven who flooded her board with high countdown amulets, plus three elanas and a D shift player who actually used his D shifts defensively.

Yaay, I'm A0 now. And my decks are shit.
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Can't wait till the last gold/silver sword card to begin theorycrafting
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>>162888541
>skullcradle widow
>not running dingdongs

More than enough 2bh
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if an elana rage quits the game should be force uninstalled and their account deleted
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>>162888317
>new, potentially viable "sacrifice minion for a bonus" card
>new, potentially viable ghost synergies
>lots of powerful last words and last word synergies

This expansion looks a lot better for Shadow than DE was. The only thing DE gave us was Bone Chimeras and Spartoi Soldiers.
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>>162888517
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>>162888354
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>Like obsidian lightning
>Time's up
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>>162888354
http://game-ai.jp/12306/
Get a real tier ranking list that bases their tiers on deck matchups with a sample set of over 20k games
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Guys help

What deck is good with Well of Destiny or should I just ignore it?
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>>162888730
Ignore that shit.
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>>162888354
I'm new to card games but is having tier placements decided by win rates a common thing? Seems retarded to me.
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>>162888517
they have face dragon in tier 1 and PtP in tier 3

lamo
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>>162888618

The fuck does your deck look like running all those? Meme tyrant?
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>>162888317
Fucking kill yourself you piece of shit. You get bunch of good cards like Balor, Lurching, Nep and several others.

Rune has ZERO good gold cards and meme legendary, Dragon get discard shit and trash legendary and the only good card for forest is Maahes.
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>>162888541
A bronze could easily end up being a solid curve drop (see: Spartoi Soldier). A new 1-drop could be a complete game changer.
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>>162888541
Haven's follower is good but it's actually not that good.
It requires evolves to function as 5pp for 4/5 nothing else is absolute garbage. Sure it's on curve stats, but 5pp for that is just not worth it, ever.

You can't run more than 2 and Haven really, really needs those evo points for cudgels and either board control with elana or maximum face pushing with storm.
5pp 4/5 2AOE is very good. But it's really not that huge a deal.
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>>162888724
>mfw I play aggro shadowcraft
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>>162888723
>Favorable winrate going first
Delete this
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>>162888820
just swap the calls with executions and the pluto with an odin and you've got my midrange
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>>162888821
>rune
>meme lego
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>>162888828

>using cudgel to clear two followers and not just use the cat to clear a floral fencer and her goons

Really now. A one-sided board clear is totally worth that 1 EP.
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>>162888076

Thanks, anon.
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>>162888876
That looks inconsistent as hell
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>>162888541
Conversion, Cycle and Skullcradle are all amazing draw.
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>>162888876

>midrange
>dies to DS rune

I think you mean control or whatever you want to call it. At least midrange can go aggro and still win.
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>1 more win as dragoncraft to get the 50 flair
>check profile
>says i already have 50 but no flair
>wtf
>reboot
>49 wins

they never fixed this did they, it did the same thing with runecraft
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>>162888569
I'm actually pretty excited for corpse. The biggest thing my Atomy/Sacrifice deck lacks is a 2-drop other than Angels/Widows that synergizes with the rest of the deck, and corpse fills that slot perfectly by both having a good last word and having anti-taunt.
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>>162888954
Hasn't been inconsistent in the last 97 games I've run with it. Focusing on trading and drawing goes a long way towards having answers to whatever pops up. Obviously it's not 100% finished as I'd like another Cerb and those RoB cards look pretty nuts, but so far it's doing the trick.
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I wanna try aggro Rune when the new set comes out, but crafting Darias just to try it seems a bit unreasonable.
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>>162889110
>Wind God
post dick
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Post channel faces, I'm starting a collection
Alisa, Erika and Isabelle are all welcome
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>>162888928
>Really now. A one-sided board clear is totally worth that 1 EP.

I said it was very good.
What I'm also saying is that it's a board clear based on a limited resource with heavy competition for said resource.

But it is no 'oh haven just got another beastcall aria" or what have you.
It is very good, but it ain't all that and more.
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>>162888728
That website is wrong.

The other website has over 30k matchups btw >>162888723
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>>162888724
>sword and haven only classes with two tier 1 decks
day of the gutting when?
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>>162888821
>Rune has ZERO good gold cards and meme legendary
>Taboos
>Anne
>bad
>Dorothy
>meme legendary

I'm guessing you're upset that Dshift didn't get support, which is totally fair, but let's not pretend that Rune's new cards are bad just because they don't synergize with Dshift. Dorothy, Gazer, and the follower-boosters create an entirely new archetype with solid potential, and Penetrating Rune along with Disaster Witch make Aggro Rune a viable option. Taboos will be super useful for Earth Rite, though probably only in the PtP variant, and while the Erasmus spell isn't all that great, it could end up being at least somewhat useful depending on how things play out.

I do agree with you about Shadow, though - their new cards are very good from what we've seen so far, which is most of them. They're a bit contradictory to current Shadow decks, since things like Cerberus, LotF, etc. don't synergize with Neptits, but again, just because new cards don't fit with old decks doesn't mean they're bad.
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>>162889248

>haven now has 6 cards to control the board in their favor starting turn 5 if they wish for it
>i-it's not good enough

Yeah right, eliminating all your followers while sic'ing tigers and hawks at you are not strong enough.
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Rate my shitty main deck
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>>162889316
december 29
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>>162889205
I posted a link above, mind i am not good at all at this game, won only because Themis cleared the board and Blackned banished Forte right before 2x Foxes spawn, one got Barrage+Sieg and then Rowen conceded
Was thinking to replace Dogs with Sneks for more wards
>>
Remi or Rami?
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>>162889318
Rune's honestly got the best pull this xpac so far.
Other than Anne and Erasmus spell, every single card it's gotten has been good.

Khawi is basically a nep-tits friendly LotF as it has all his abilities rolled into his LW, so to allow for a replacement for him..
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>13 days till Rise of Bahamut
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>>162889430
both
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>>162889223
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>>162889430
Remi x Rami
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>>162889381
m8, aggro bats is cheap as fuck wtf is this
>>
>>162889318
Anne is complete shit that has no business being in Rune though.
>>
Dorothy will be a good plan B for dshift if you don't end up getting any dshifts
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>>162889381
What even is this...?
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>>162888728
Game Ai doesn't actually generate their tier list rfom their match up chart, if you just refer to their chart the calculated totals don't match up to their tiers. They base it off of tournament results.
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>>162889548
I have an aggro bat deck, but is boring
this deck actually works pretty well for me
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>>162889562
What wincon can it draw tough?
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>>162889381
Direbond is really core, and you want to have more than just 1 mary
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>Now you can play 6 flame destroyers
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>>162889480
>tfw neet time speed up powers stopped working
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>>162889574
>>
I don't think people realize just how badly Haven has been shafted with this expansion. Nearly every card they've received is a worse version of a card they already have, with the exception of the 2/2 clash follower. It's actually pathetic how shitty their new cards are.
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>>162889373
It is a good card and I have said that multiple times, you fucking moron.

I am simply saying you are overhyping it. It has a conditional that limits its usage much more than any other AoE.
It is strong but not Themsis 2.0.
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This is why i will never like Haven
Couldn't stop the turn3 Acient Elf in any way
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I did it! I won!
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>>162889695

Tell me again when it's everywhere shitting up follower-based decks in general on 29th.
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>>162889750
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>>162889705
Get fucked birdshitter.
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>>162889705
Death Sentence boyo
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>>162889381
>Lilith & Succubus

Great taste in waifus, and a mostly decent core to a control/midrange Blood deck. It looks like you're going for burn+heals early game into Mary combos late game - if so, try out this list:

https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.6.63dOW.63dOW.63dOW.63dO2.63dO2.63dO2.63dOg.63dOg.63dOg.5_pzw.5_pzw.5_p-4.5_p-4.5_p-4.61O4K.61O4K.63frO.63frO.63frO.63ilo.63ilo.63ilo.5_pFg.5_pFg.5_pFg.5_rhS.5_rhS.5_rhS.659nE.659nE.659nE.67Yro.67Yro.67Yro.5_pFW.5_pFW.5_pFW.63fqw.63fqw.63fqw

It's what I've been running for a while now, and it performs pretty well. It's mostly just a more streamlined version of what you're already playing, but feel free to try and make room for Succubus if you want to; she's not a bad option although I can't manage to cram her in myself.
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>>162889882
On turn4?
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is there anyone more beautiful than her? No there isn't!
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>>162889705
>where's aira > dogma
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>>162889705
Why didn't you Crudgel Liza turn 4?
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>>162889705
>has answers to aggro early game in hand
>be greedy as fuck
>h-how did he win?? op plz nerf!
sasuga braindead stormcancer
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>>162889705
My question for you is why you didn't Cudgel + evo at turn 4
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>>162889750
What happens if you fail to enter the new bracket anyway? Do you get booted to the bottom of your current rank?
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>>162890049
Nah, you just have to start the trials again.
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>>162890049

Your trial just resets until you get that streak to complete it.

I think I failed twice before getting to AA0
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>>162889705
Are you the guy who stuck in A?
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>>162890046
Liza protection maybe, Cudgel doesn't even get 5 attack from evo
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>>162890009
Everyone's favourite boy, Fenrir, is way cuter!
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>>162890119

>Liza's protection

Hagfag mind thinks alike.
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>>162889884
My one and only bloodcraft waifu is the Dark general

But yeah, I win most of the times in turn 5~7, and I stay at 9~11 HP like 80% of the match, so late game is hard if bloody mary doesnt show up
Thank you, ill check your set up
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>Get rune dailies
>Queue unranked with my meme no pascale dirt rune.
>Clean sweep
>No one could do anything
>Even force a haven player to concede turn 2 when I have a shitty draw and have to magic missile her face into bouncing her aria.
>tfw she probably thought I was a Dshift rune with a perfect opening hand when in fact I had almost nothing before turn 6.
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>>162890104
Yes i am
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>>162890119
Liza protects from damage, crudgel banishes without dealing damage. Also, Ancient elf should've been on 4 attack then so he could setup a trade ahead og time.
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>>162890009
>>162890160
has anyone else realized that just filtering exclamation marks gets rid of 90% of weeb shitposts
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>>162890119
>Liza protection
kek
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>>162890160
I'd mate with that regardless of it's gender.
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>>162890160
Fenrir is a girl.

I've seen her pussy.
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>>162890119
>havenshitters in charge of reading
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>>162890243
>it's
woah, rude!
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>>162890213
>>162890238
Wait, Liza shield doesn't prevent Banish?
The more you know
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>>162890243
Same
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What card revealed are you most excited for?

What card revealed do you think is the most overrated?
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tfw best girl is way too slow
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>>162889945
I tried, I got nothing.
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>>162890365

Lurching Corpse

Shadow Reaper
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>>162890365
This'll be great for Seraph, damn
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>>162890414
Nice tits though
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>>162890365
I'm hoping that Daria is as good as I think she will be, I want to play aggro rune.

Shadow Reaper looks like overrated junk.
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>>162890339
I don't mean to be mean or anything, but how did you get to A in the first place?
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>>162890473
Very nice.
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>Centaur Thrust

What did he mean by this
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>>162890365
The annoying thing about "random" is that it can destroy Aurelia. People crying about Otohime getting fucked but no one seems to care that Aurelia gonna be worthless too.
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>>162890547
Honestly she needs that kick in the teeth considering she puts the fear of god into aggro decks, it's nice to actually have an answer now that isn't "never go above to followers".
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>>162890497
>implyning getting to A with Haven require knowing the game
Come on anon
He is a living proof of it
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>>162890516
>magisa will never crush your head into a diamond
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>>162890484
Fuck you!

Shadowcraft will be great again this expansion, y-y-you'll see!
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>>162890762
She must have serious back pain. I'd be happy to help her out with that with a massage.
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>>162890623
In my 600 games of midrange sword I attacked face with Aurilia twice. I saw aggro concede after it maybe 5-10 times. In all the other games it dies after the turn it's played, AT BEST forcing an evolve from the opponent.
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>>162890623
Amelia kinda replace Aurelia for punishing aggro swarming the board since she turns into 3/4 3/2 ward for 4 mana. I'm not sure if Aurelia will have place anymore in midrange sword after this expansion. I'm predicting shadow gonna be tier 1 again and she's pretty useless against shadow because of random destory and bane.
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>>162890853
Never said it wouldn't, shadow's gotten great cards this epac, it's just that Shadow Reaper isn't one of them.
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>>162890497
Brute force?
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>>162890875

>shadow will be tier 1

What is this hot meme? Can you tell me your reasoning?
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>you will never take Isabelle-sensei to the park at night
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>>162890276
>I've seen her pussy.
She's a wolf dumbass
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>>162890956
Maybe you should try Seraph? I have been playing Pure Seraph lately and it is a lot of fun! I wish you luck either way, fellow Haven
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>>162890119
Even bannerfags arent this brainless
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>>162890946
>:c
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>>162890998
Did you see their new cards? Balor is broken, Lurching Corpse is really good, many last words followers so getting their board wiped doesn't hurt them that much.
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>>162890853
>Shadowcraft will be great again this expansion

YOUR
EVIL
DEEDS
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>>162884610
Not found. Please repost.
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>>162890875
>I'm not sure if Aurelia will have place anymore in midrange sword after this expansion
Who knows, Amelia costs 1 less and has a situational ward but as >>162890873 pointed out, Aurelia forces one evo and 2/3 followers most of the time
We'll see, we'll see
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>>162891012
I'm hoping Erika shows up next time now that they both exploded.
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>>162891076
I've seen her in heat, with a throbbing hard dick sliding into her drooling wet pussy and cumming directly into her cervix, filling her ripe uterus with hot virile semen.
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>>162891323
But there's no Fenrir porn on the web
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>>162891158

>Balor
>just a slightly bigger soul glutton
>broken

You call shit like Tia broken.
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Anyone need to trade concedes?

28458
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>>162890998
The only thing keeping Shadow out of tier 1 right now is the prominence of Haven, even their other disadvantaged match ups are extremely close and might be positive if Shadow wasn't sacrificing literally every other match up for Haven specific tech.

They've gotten good cards for every existing playstyle and it's to be seen if Nephthys decks will be good, but more over than that, every deck that Shadow's been notably disadvantaged against has gotten shit support.
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>>162890365
the most overrated is the haven amulet that heals 1 over time
holy shit people sperged like crazy with that card
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Can I play this game without Steam?

I don't want my friends to see me playing this weeb shit
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>>162891012
Where's this from?
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>>162891095
But i am saving for finish the RampDragon and Forest deck now
Need also cheap Sword, Shadow decks and looking foward to new Runes
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>>162891612
If it's shit why do you want to play it
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>>162891612
no, now go before your friends catch you posting here
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>>162891691
I'm looking forward to Aggro Rune myself. Buy Vania
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>>162891612
Go away.
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>>162891095
>seraph
>fun
good autism
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>>162891809

no
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>Do nothing on my turn and leave the clock running until the last second
>Opponent disconnects because his phone went to sleep due to inactivity
Get wrecked mobile cucks
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>>162891831
Opinions, anon. I personally find it fun, but that's probably because I enjoy having control of the board more than anything
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>Try Bannermeme out for hayai dailies
>Tfw keep getting outmemed
I don't think I'm doing this right
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>>162891797
I prefer Urias desu
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TASUKARU
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>>162891095
It's the most binary control deck in the game, including other Haven control decks. Goddamnit tripfag fix your tastes.
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>>162890365
I'm excited for Salamanders breath.
I think people are overrating the mini-forte.
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>>162891848
hey this is pretty good, gonna do this during nip hours from now on
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Daria literally banishes your hand. I mean, holy shit banish your own Dimensional Shift. Who the fuck would do that?
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>>162891878
Jesus Christ man what the fuck are you doing with those commanders in your deck.
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>>162891886
He's pretty great, him and Rowen. I just prefer using waifus
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>>162891848
I want to dance with this cutie.
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>>162891915
Interactive background exist for a reason
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>>162891460
http://hentai-image.com/image/25-erotic-images-of-fenrir-glover-grumblerfantasy--bahamut-the-divine-hammer/

merry christmas
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>>162891968
I didn't have any Alwida's commands and I'm too poor to craft golds on a whim so I just threw in some extras
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>>162891691
>Birds, Dogs, and Bald Men
Describing what Eris and Elana fucks?
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>>162891939
Maybe you don't run her in a dshift deck
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>>162885410
D-A w/ dragon
A0-A2 w/ haven
A3 current climb with elfs and sword
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>>162892057
The deck still operates at most of its efficiency without Alwida's, but it becomes weaker for running too many commanders that fatten your curve and make it harder to get Banners. Run an aggressive officer list, netdeck and replace Alwida's for ambush followers or something if you have to.
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i get what people mean when they say A is when you learn the meta

basically play banner sword right?

but i dont want to play braindead deck
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>>162891878
Tradional banner doesn't rune sage commander or otohime
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what deck counters tempo forest

just got matched against 5 in a row and barely won 1 game, im sick of this shit
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>>162891939
i'll probably run a copy of her in my dirtrune deck. i don't care about the spellboost but getting a new hand when i run out of cards is pretty great.
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>>162892284
Midsword
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https://twitter.com/GameAI_jp/status/809677919576391680
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>>162892342
translate it weebs
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>>162890956
Well of course, especially with Haven or auto pilot sword you don't get punished for any mistakes from D to A.
Haven and Sword are cancer because that
Forest is cancer for other reasons
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>>162892342
>>162892398
◾ fanatics idol
[Before evolution] This follower can not attack and is not attacked. Evolution occurs at the beginning of your turn.
[Evolution] This follower can not attack and is not attacked. At the end of your turn, destroy all your amulets.
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>>162892284
Control Sword.
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>>162892192
>>162892249
I'll replace them with some officers then, thanks.
I'll feel a little bad taking out Otohime though.
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>>162892284
any sword deck really
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>>162885410
n-no bully, pls. my dirtrune deck is finally good enough to climb i think.
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>>162892060
Only Elana, Eris is pure
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>>162892342
ok now which class? haven and sword?
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>>162892451
thank god it was control heaven buff
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>>162892284
Deathmist Dragon shit's all over weeny spam.
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>>162892451
Literally a shittier version of Skullfane. Bishop BTFO.
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>>162892456
Most of the time you'll be winning doing centaur vanguard evo banner combo anyways
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>>162892451
I don't know how much play I'd expect from it but this card blows Skullfane out of the water.

Not that it was a particularly difficult job.
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>>162892451
>This follower can not attack and is not attacked
why not just make it an amulet then wtf
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>>162892284
Control decks or MidRange Sword, which is literally Tempo rival
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>>162892451
Cygames a savage, no Bishop buff
hagfag btfo
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>>162892451
What happens when you play this with Guardian Sun then???
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>>162892583
Open it up to removal.
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>>162892583
So you can remove it with DoD and follower removal.
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>>162892583
They want to make it easier to remove with cards people actually use. I wouldn't be surprised if they make more cards like this.
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Need a good man to conede for me in a game, join 23554 please.
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>>162892621
i'm guessing it's the same as with ambushed ward
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>>162892451
>continual amulet destruction

Summon Pegasus and Devourer of Heavens, here we go.

kek
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>>162892342
It says 8 cards
Where are the rest?
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>>162892451
also the art
looks neat
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コスト 4

ステータス 3/4(進化時5/6)

【ファンファーレ】 サブリーダー・ゲルト1枚を手札に加える。相手の場にフォロワが3体以上いるなら、手札に加えたサブリーダー・ゲルトのコストを0にする

【解説】標準ステータスに加え、ファンファーレ効果で2コストのサブリーダー・ゲルトを手札に加えるので、先行でも使いやすい4コストフォロワー。
劣勢の状態では、加えたサブリーダー・ゲルトのコストを0にするので、フローラルフェンサーばりの展開力を見せる。

do your job weeb
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>>162892451
Where'd you get the original text from? I can't locate it.
>>
Post favourite class and most hated class.
Love dragon, fucking hate Rune decks.
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>>162892776
https://twitter.com/GameAI_jp/status/809678146073042945
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>>162892687
Wait.
It destroys all amulets on board every turn? Not just after the evolution once?
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>>162892803
Love Rune, hate Haven.
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>>162892451
PtP Hare Haven memes are realer than ever.
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>>162892741
That's literally just an explanation on Amelia and Gelt interactions
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>>162892741
this card is already revealed, it's the one that puts gert at 0 cost in your hand if there's 3 followers on your opponents side
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>>162892816
>Turn 5 drop this guy
>At the end of turn 5 he evolves
>At the end of turn 6 and onwards destroy all amulets
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>>162892816
Basically. You can evolve it immediately to get the effect at the end of the turn you played it, or wait a turn to let it automatically evolve to start triggering.

Don't know how high priority he'd be to kill over just dealing with whatever he poops out though.
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>>162892479
Thanks, Isabella. I wish you well.
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>>162892803
love blood, hate haven
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>>162892741
They said it's easy to play even when you go first because you can obtain a 0 cost Gelt so it's basically like Floral Fencer without evolve, or just get a 2 cost follower in your hand while putting something out with decent stats.
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>>162892583
If it was an Amulet than it would have made Haven tier0
This card now will continue break Countdown amulets until you take it down, it's strong and must be taken down the very turn it comes in play making you lose tempo
>>162892816
Yes, as long that thing lives it keeps nuking amulets
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>>162892637
>>162892652
>>162892638
I think it's actually so it doesn't destroy itself, since apparently he continuously destroys all amulets.
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>>162892816
Otherwise there would be literally no point over this guy since Skullfane exists.

I guess this is Cygames's attempt to buff non-Sun/Elana Countdown Haven.
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>>162892741
Isn't this the Amelia card, faggot?
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>>162892803
I play Shadow, Control mainly, my favourite deck to play against is Rune because the match up feels so interesting to me even though I lose against it most of the time, my least favourite deck is Haven because AAAAAA HAVEEEEEEN.
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>>162892906
I would say it's good with Guardian Sun but every Guardian Sun is undoubtedly going to use Themis. Once you use Themis you'll need another of it or otherwise your hand will just be full of shitty amulets.
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>>162892902
>At the end of turn 5 he evolves
>Evolution occurs at the beginning of your turn.
Same end result and doesn't gain any stats but really now.

Actually funny since means he can't be sniped by Surefire Bullet without getting one amulet break off.
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>>162893034
Giving Wards ambush doesn't generate a lockdown so it's possible this guy won't either. I'm curious to see the interaction though, it'll be interesting for the first 2 games before I break my keyboard playing against it.
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So Haven is offically cancer in RoB too?
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>>162892970
it better deal zero damage or i am probably gonna quit this game, if they dont want this game to become dead as fuck they should stop giving haven more antifun cancer toys every fucking expac
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>>162892990
They'd probably just print it as "Destroy all other amulets" if that were the only reason. Making it a follower was probably an important balancing choice.
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>>162893153
Prolly a new archetype
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>>162892902
He autoevolves at the start of your turn so you either evolve him so he pops everything at the end of the turn you play him or don't evolve him so he autoevolves and pops everything at the end of that turn.
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>>162893153
As long as there aren't Elana nerfs Haven will always be cancer.
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>>162892902
>>162893067
He evolves at the start of your turn.
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>>162893153
They don't have a lot of slots remaining to make this guy good and I don't know if there's anything in the current pool good enough to warrant a deck around him over the existing archetypes.

I'm sure the Japs will brew something for us to work off of before release though.
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>>162893034
How can you use Guardian Sun if this guy nukes all amulets at the end of the turn?
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>>162893153
The only good Haven reveals so far have been the heal amulet, Tribunal, and Veteran Tamer.

This new Haven legendary means you can't even use Guardian Sun with it, so it'll only be good for memes. I mean shit like Luxhorn Sarissa needs Guardian Sun to be any good, and the Storm from Aria and Divine Birdsong is totally wasted because of the end turn proc.

Too much anti-synergy.
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>>162893067
>>162893213
Well, shit
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>>162893301
The idea is that he'll still get the ward buff on play before he nukes Guardian Sun later, so depending on the interaction it might generate a hypothetical lockdown where they can't attack anything else because he has ward but they can't attack him since he can't attack.

Most likely not the case judging by the ambush precedent but that's the idea.
>>
Are we still missing any golds and legends or is it only silvers and bronze remaining?
>>
http://game-ai.jp/18826/

Couple of more cards added, I see a neutral amulet and Forest bronze?
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>8枚が発表されました!

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE REST
>>
>he is not hyped for aggro rune
seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you
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Warrior Maiden's Spear
Amulet
Give +1/+0 to an allied follower when it comes into play
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>>162893427
Reveals so far, they just showed a Gold from a mystery class as well
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jfOwl01oC0Xw7Jowun6LBK_01qzmpauM6yN7VhYlefc/edit#gid=724784295
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POST 'EM
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>>162893468
>>Give +1/+0 to an allied follower when it comes into play

自分の場にニュートラル・フォロワーが出るたび、それを+1/+0する。
Neutral Followers only
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>>162893468
new banner
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http://jp.ign.com/shadowverse/10037/feature/shadowverse3

Here's original info.
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>>162893468
can we bannermeme with any class now?
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>>162893562

What he said, >>162893545

Neutral only

It's shit.
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>>162893468
I won't play it but I'm excited to see the Neutral Only deck that every newb will build for dailies.
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>>162892725
Looking by art it's thought to work with Devourer of Heavens somehow
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>>162893596
2/2 goblins and 1/2 ding dongs hype
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DISCARD DRAGON IS REAL
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>>162893542
stopped it at 70 before it could become my most played game, i only play it in offline now
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>>162893301
I guess you couldn't since I forgot that would be destroyed too. Hare and Devourer of Heavens would become kind of useful. It would be a free countdown for Seraph too I guess but you'd still have to wait until next turn to win anyway. I guess the card is trying to bring Countdown Bishop into the meta, which is what they were originally aiming for judging by the story/tutorial anyway.
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While I know what I SHOULD take, I want to let you guys decide each pick.

What could go wrong? :^)
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>>162892725
i wish cygames would stop making haven the bad guys

just look at that thing it looks sinister as fuck
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I'm going to register for saturday's tournament with my Flute deck!
Wish me luck!
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>>162893667
shadow and dragon are unironically good in T2
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>>162893678
Light is not good.
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4 PP 3/4 - 5/6 Silver Dragon

Fanfare: Discard the lowest cost card from your hand, twice.
Last Word: Draw three cards.
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>>162893667
Choose Shaman or Hunter.
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>>162893678
its edgy as fuck but it might be my favourite new card art
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>>162893759
when you where when discard dragon was saved?
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Forest Spirit
Last Words: Add a Curse of the Moonkin into your hand

How shitty can forestcraft take?
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>>162893759
Wow, it's still fucking nothing.
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>>162893575
Do your job weebs
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>>162893678
Religion and god are always the bad guys in most Jap games.
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>>162893729
i ironically always go 1/4 or worse in t2 with shadow even though its my main class
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>>162893759
>more discard dragon

epic simply epic
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>>162893327
At least Execution is a straight 5 cost to answer 5 cost trade and given their deck will be full of last word amulets you won't have much else to use it on.

Those x follower damage fanfares sure look appealing, too.

>>162893759
>People will ignore it and die even faster than Aiela
Neat.
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>>162893809
just fucking autotranslate it you lazy nigger
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>>162893667
Go with Haven, then.
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>>162893575
That Vampire gold card looks like it should belong to Haven artwise.
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>>162893360
>>162893661
Yeah, I also think he is to be used in tandem with cheap amulets with huge countdowns like Devourer of Heavens. You set up Guardian Sun and amulets before turn 5 then you evolve this guy so Sun can give Ward to the popped amulet followers before it is nuked.

Not sure about how stuffs interact though. It could easily pop Sun before other amulets.
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>>162892451
This seems pretty damn terrible. Bad synergy with Storm, Bad synergy with Elana(if you find time to drop an Elana and this I'll be surprised), and pops amulets at the end of your turn giving your opponent full opportunity to deal with your board.

At cost 5+ there's a large breadth of options for removal as well.

If you're allowed to evolve it personally, that's probably a different story though. 2 Arias turn 4, evolve this on 5.

While 2 Tigers and 2 Birds on turn 5 seems kind of insane, 2 Floral Fencers in a row actually clear it while setting up board if the Sword player is going second.
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Class: Vampire
Card type: Followers
Rareness: Gold
Cost: 7
[Rush] During your turn, attack and destroy the other's followers, if this follower were not destroyed, draw a card.
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>>162893759
>Lose 3 cards to gain 3 cards
Eeeeeeh.
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>>162893575
Neutral
Amulet
Give +1/0 to every Neutral follower that is played

Forestcraft
Lastword: add a woodkin curse into your hand

Swordcraft
Rush
Enhance 6: Lastword Summon 2 knights

Runecraft
Fanfare Damage to your leader becomes 0, this effect disappears after this follower is gone

Dragoncraft
Discard a lowest cost card from your hand 2x
Lastword Draw 3 cards

Shadowcraft
Can't attack followers without ward
Lastword: summon a lich

Bloodcraft
Whenever this attacks a follower and is not destroyed, draw a card
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>>162893862
>Wanting choppy mistranslations
>>
Conqueror of Darkness
Bronze Shadow
3PP 1/1 -> 3/3
Can only attack enemy leader and followers with Ward
Last Words: Summon a Lich

Great. More cudgel target.
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>>162893871
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>>162893759
why the fuck are they pushing this discard mechanic so hard? it doesn't it make sense YOU ARE LITERALLY PLAYING A DECK WITH THE END GAME OF RUNNING OUT OF CARDS AKA LOSING THE FUCKING GAME
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>>162893919
>During your turn, attack and destroy the other's followers
God what the fuck does this even mean
The minion is forced to attack the enemy? Does some kind of interface come up that forces you to attack?

Seems pretty low impact for a 7 drop, a rush minion with an ok stat line thats forced to attack, and if he doesnt die you get a card draw. woo hoo.
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>>162893759
H-hear the dragon's r-roar
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need help, pls.
ID: 12484
i'm all up for playing before you concede.
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>>162892725
>baby holywing dragon in the middle

DEEPEST LORE
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>>162893968
Right is the correct choice. So you should go left.
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>>162893973
I THINK it's meant to be "whenever this follower attacks and destroys an enemy follower and survives, draw a card"
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>>162893947
The blood guy also has rush
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>>162893968
I don't know if there's any room for him at all, he's probably not going to see play outside Arena, but I really like his style.

>Rush
>Enhance 6: Last Words: Summon 2 Knights
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>>162893919
>>162893973
looks like it's if this follower attacks and destroys an enemy follower without being destroyed, draw a card.
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>>162893802
Aside from maahes, forest card had been pretty shit so far.
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>>162893892
>If you're allowed to evolve it personally
Who says you aren't?
It's also for shit like the holywing dragons, foxes, tigers, Devourers of Heavens etc. There's enough big shit to pop with it.
Also Hare ptp memes.
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>>162893947
So Rune one makes you immune to spell damage?
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>>162893759
>3 for 3
It's shit.
It's good draw with Rites up but that's about it.
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>>162894026
accidentally misread and clicked right.
My common sense guided my hand, I need to ignore it.
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>>162893947
>fanfare Damage to your leader becomes 0, this effect disappears after this follower is gone
literally what control blood needs and they give it to fucking rune
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>>162893879
>Haven artwise.
It's pretty much japanese Arthas - Lich King, would have expected it in Necro but Vampire is pretty spooky too.

>>162894046
Yeah, "if it attacks and survives, draw a card" makes the most sense.
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>>162894127
Go for left and go full amulet memes
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>>162893919
sounds like he is an alexander who is forced to attack until either all enemy followers are kill or he is kill? if he survives you draw a card?
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>Timeless Witch
>Damage dealt to your leader is reduced to 0.
I'm definitely going to try and make this work somehow.
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>turn 4 2x devourer of heaven
>turn 5 Fanatic idol, evolve it
its double angelic barrage and two 6/6s

could b fun
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>>162894127
m8 just play the game drafting isnt that fucking hard
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>>162893973
It has Rush and you draw a card each time you attack and destroy a follower without that card itself dying. People are using google translate or something. It's not specific enough to say whether that card itself has to do the attacking/destroying though, so you might just be drawing a bunch of cards if you clear the board with followers.
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>>162894116
Nah, I'm reading the explanation
She's basically a ward but also not.

If you have an actual ward on your board then you can't attack her because she isn't a ward.
That effect was probably also made because of all the "can't attack followers without ward" cards.
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>>162893947
>shadow gets another cannot attack followers without ward card
>rune gets protection from damage they don't even fucking need and should be going to Blood.

What the fuck Cygames?
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>>162894161
Nobody is going to have me pick amulets, I fucking know it.

>>162894181
where's the fun in that?

>>162894108
I want to hold hands with that anime slut
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>Mastema downside
>Unleasher upside
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I SWUNG AT ANYTHING EXCEPT FACE AND WARDS WITH UNLEASHER! HAHAHAHAH!

Unleasher's way cuter though. And those voice clips.
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>>162893698
Show them that if you want power, you should worship the dragon.
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>>162893678
There are two kind of Haven
The Seraphs and the "Bahmut Cult"
One is saint and shit blaze in the light aiming to protect the just and purge the evil
The other is destructive and pray for the avent of the World Destroyer and use magical dragon like entities
>Featherwyrm's Descent
>"It's an honor to be chosen as an offering—if only to come in contact with such a sublime being."
The girl in the amulet art is literally a volunteer for an human sacrifice to summon an "holy" Dragon
>Devourer of Heavens
>"His howl bears not a trace of compassion."
Basically whenever this guy gets summoned something gets destroyed, literally an attempt to create a Bahamut
And then there is Skullfane
>"The end is upon us... It is all part of the plan. Do not look back, children of gods. Do not resist, children of demons. Nothingness itself is eternal peace, and it is before us now! "
The end in this universe is the comming of Bahamut
Now we have this sinister Idol hatching a Dragon egg
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>>162894253
Everyones arguing about the translations of the cards, but this post here is the real fucking mystery
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>>162894238
>where's the fun in that?
ok have """fun"" wasting 30 minutes to build a deck then, autist
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>>162894238
Left for more amulet synnergy

what can go wrong
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>Last silver sword card is shit
Good, now we have to wait till the last gold reveal
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>>162894231
They need it if you are [s]Earth Rite[/s]
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>>162894223
Her not being a ward seems like she would be good in Earthrite. Unless the opponent has AoE they can't hit your face. It basically lets you live one more turn from PtP and stops Tyrant memes I guess
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>>162893994
please respond
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>>162894339
Ctrl+S anon.
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>>162892451
it's shit but haven's cancer from DE is bad enough to carry it in this set too
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>>162894339
alt+f4 anon.
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>>162894305
>what can go wrong
I dunno, you tell me (^:

>>162894290
well what else am I supposed to do at 4 in the morning on the internet
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all this rustle over haven makes me want to play it
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>>162893919
Umh, could be
>Summon this guy
>attack
>enemy survive, draw a card
>enemy doesn't survive
>you don't draw
And since fanfare, it works the turn it's played
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>>162894423
Left obviously. Just pick the options with the most amulet and amulet synergy, my man.
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>>162894447
Do it fag
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>>162894339
Ctrl + W anon
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>>162894490

dunno if worth making a deck this close to expansion though
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>>162894471
will do b0ss

Surely, I'll get all 5 of my wins.
I habeeb in nun-chan
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so how do we make control haven without elana? that idols seems pretty good but i dont know what else
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>>162892284
Play havencraft.
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>>162893919
Mhhhhh very good
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>>162894543
Low cost for more aggro, so left.
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>>162894553
guardian sun satan
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>>162894553
Snake Priestess, Temple Defender, that gold amulet that counts down faster when flooded which spawns the ward fox.
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>>162894447
its pretty fucking boring to play desu which makes me think everyone who actually enjoys it is an sociopath
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>>162894610
You mean holy sentinel, I think.

There really is some fantastic synergy with fanatic idol and holy sentinel. You can play sentinel early against aggro floods to slow them down, or you can play it later on with idol up, where its high cooldown cost doesn't matter any more. I'm really really interested as to how this idol business is going to shape up.
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>>162893919
Holy shit that looks metal as fuck.
Even the bird's chest plate woke up.
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>>162894616
Pure Elana's pretty cool.

I can't stand Storm and Seraph-Hybrid though, every game feels the same no matter what the opposing match up is.
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>>162894601
loaded up with amulets and such as told
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>>162893947
>Dragoncraft
>Discard a lowest cost card from your hand 2x
>Lastword Draw 3 cards

H-HEAR THE D-DRAGON'S R-ROAR
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>>162894253
This card is an extreme Aggro Rune buff.

It also curves with Urd perfectly unlike the odd situation she has with Unleasher due to both being 4 cost.

Still banish bait, but I can't imagine any non-Haven or Rune class enjoying the sight of this thing on curve.
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>>162894469
This is why you don't google translate kiddos.
He has rush, and if he survives after destroying an enemy follower on your turn then you draw a card.
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>>162894703
Right is an amulet and Last Word: Amulet
don't stop never stop
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>>162894703
left

get wrecked faggot
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>>162893994
thank you, mordebro.
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>>162894729
And by Aggro Rune I mean Aggro Shadow.

All that recent talk of Aggro Rune is getting to me.
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I just pulled a skullfane and what the actual fuck?

All it does is remove the allied amulets. What's the purpose of this?
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>>162893468
>this is 2pp
>banner is 4pp

I smell bullshit somewhere.
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>Another non-Earth rite card
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>not even Leonidas can take down the wall
kek god bless Trump
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>>162894616
In my experience it's a lot more fun than aggro. Aggro just involves playing everything as fast as possible and hitting face, ignore their board, their hand, their evolves, none of that matters. Doesn't get more boring than that.
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>>162894827

The buff is Neutral followers only
so it's shit
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>>162894729
Even being banish bait isn't so bad, he comes out after people would typically blow Scripture on your 2 drop to stall your aggro and has a turn to swing and eat a sac before Cudgel can come ruin your day. Unleasher into Sacred Prayer into whatever the hell is brutal.
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>>162894829
>non-earthrite
>synergizes with earthrite's ward spam gameplay by also stopping burn damage directly to your face from card effects
???
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>>162894681
Pure Seraph has never let me down.
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>>162894825
I suggest you actually play a game of Havencraft before asking questions that even a beginner would know the answer to.
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>>162892451
Guess you can setup the idol on turn 5 and plop down a Thicc Knight of Hexproof on turn 6 and crush your opponent's hopes and dreams unless you are against Haven.
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>>162894797
But you don't play Urd in aggro shadow.
Also instead of your Rabbit necro getting banished and you only losing on 2 damage, you'll now rage extra hard when this guy gets banished and you lose a lich in the process. One of the reasons I hate Hell's unleasher.
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>>162894797
It's also Nephthys bait.
That deck is looking more viable than ever now.
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>>162894827
>>162894873
I don't think it buffs neutrals already in play either. Not that you've got anything but goblin you could hit before 2.
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>>162894905
Glory be!
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>>162894729
This thing on curve and then Unleasher the next turn basically guarantees one of them coming out even against Bishop. Hell's Unleasher is already pretty annoying against Royal, two of these things is pretty bad for them.
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>>162894825
You should read your amulets more carefully. And no, not Elana. Then go execute an enemy Aria or Seraph.
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>>162894926
won't happen if you play ghosthound saxton on turn 2.
Shadowcraft looks like it's going to get some interesting decks this expansion.
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>>162894904
post deck
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>>162893468
>Everyone memeing about new crazy neutral decks
>Neutral banner happens
Meme magic is real
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>>162895015
After I finish this match
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>tfw just pulled my third Rose Queen
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>>162894747
I outamuleted another amulet deck

so far so good. I have a good feeling about this piece of shit
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Post waifus
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>>162895007
>saxton

I'm always forgetting about this guy.
Well then Saxton get's banished on turn 3 before you can play the other dude and then it gets banished on turn 4 by cuckgel.
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>>162894935
Forget Nephthys, I'm running Urd and that new chick on 4 in traditional control. Gonna snipe Aggro Runes and Sword decks running Albert.
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>>162895108
You acidentally posted a husbando though
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why the fuck would you be showing off that you have 500 havencraft wins and still stuck in A
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>>162895108
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>>162894847
>Aggro just involves playing everything as fast as possible and hitting face, ignore their board, their hand, their evolves, none of that matters
this sounds badass tho, aggro players are the real niggas
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>>162895108
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>>162895079

Haven does wonders in Arena.
I would know.
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>>162895108
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>>162883108
>She has actual hands under the puppet dogs

All this time I thought the reason they never showed her without the puppets is because they didn't want to confirm whether she had hands or not.
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>>162895149
:^)
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>>162895169
My Haven is level 60 and I haven't played a single ranked game with her
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>>162895169
why would you have soul dealer as your avatar accompanied by that flag
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>>162895176
He's also completely wrong, I wish aggro was that simple.
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>>162895223
It disappointed me too.
But she did show her hands several times in a lot of her artworks in RoB, and had a scene in the anime as well.
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>>162895239
that's level, the flair havencraft adept means you've won 500 times in ranked with havencraft
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>>162895064
I have 2. Is this bitch good or nah
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>>162895176
its braindead as fuck though
>>
So theoretically speaking, will a nephtits deck work with only 15 followers to guarantee your spawns?
Is there enough removal spells to fill out 25 slots and make you survive long enough to play her?
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>>162895176
Thats more true for FaceDragonthan other aggro
If you never trade when you should you get fucked
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>>162894164
the art is so ugly
>>
Need a concede please
22674
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>>162895289
no, not at all
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>:c
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>>162895274
Don't let your memes be dreams
I'd wait for the expansion before deciding
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>>162895169
Nigga, sandbagging is the best way t farm score rewards
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>>162894847
Aggro in MtG, Yugioh and Vanguard at least is traditionally "low skill cap, high skill floor". You really need to understand what removal options the opponent is packing to play around it and how to optimize damage, the Blood mirror set in the JP Invitational was absolutely beautiful with how well both players played around each other.

I don't know if Banner or Storm are exactly intricate compared to Blood though. Aggro or Tempo Elf, whatever they're calling themselves, Traditional Aggro Sword and Aggro Shadow are all really tight though. Watching Masters play them on stream is impressive.
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>>162895176
It honestly feels like a gamble. You draw the cards you need, you win. Draw one useless card for the situation even once and you're most likely fucked.
At least the games are quick so you can try again.
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________ THE DRAGONS ________
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>>162895231
I hear you loud and clear anon.
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>>162893967
This is actually great addition for Neph
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>>162895169
And here i thought that Havenshitter poster was terrible
Anon has hope
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>>162895380
How do you sandbag? Whats the secret technique for maximum efficiency? Where do you want to be in rank?
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>>162895015
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I wonder what CyGames development cycle is like, Wizards designs sets way in advance but it feels like RoB must've been finalized after the DE meta developed with how little support the popular archetypes.
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>>162895480
>How do you sandbag?
You concede to stay low in ranks
Best sandbag would be C but there are people sandbagging on B and others do it in A too
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>>162895510
One of the designers before said in an interview that they try to expand underused or new play styles in expansions. Supporting already popular archetypes isn't a priority for them.
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>>162895510
That would make sense from a business perspective since it's a F2P game and they need to make money/keep people playing by forcing them to acquire new cards again and again to build new decks.
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>>162895591
I like that design philosophy. I guess that's why we're getting discard memes for Dragon.
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>>162895482
I hate havencraft but deep down inside i want to play pure Seraph just because i know thats where the ultimate salt is
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>>162895510
i like it, its better than crippling a class for a whole year like in hearthstone (2016 priest and 2015 shaman)
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Did Shadowverse make you want to learn nipponese?
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>>162895256
Really? I'd love to learn how to play aggro better. From my limited experience of playing only aggro to A3, the only situations you would consider trading is if they have a chance of killing you before you kill them ie you face other aggro, or you're worried about a fat fat AE. In both situations trading is still a huge gamble because you're literally clearing your own board, buying the opponent time. If you're fine with longer games, you're playing midrange, not aggro. Please teach me sempai
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>>162895635
Do it, it's fun
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>>162895635
fuck you
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>>162895591
I'd worry that a smaller cycle would hurt balance, but then again, Wizards failed to predict Siege Rhino Standard.
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>>162895510
Why would they support the already popular archetypes to makes everything else even more obsolete.
What's popular obviously works so they are trying to instead buff the unpopular ones which is the smartest thing to do.
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>>162895693
>>162895681
See what I mean
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Former HS player blah blah you've heard it already. What's the ratio of good card game to tits.
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>>162895673
CHI YO
WAGA KAMA NI
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>>162895673
TENKU NO HASHA
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Reminder that dragon deck best deck
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Glory Be!
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>>162895571
Sweet I'm still in C, how many concedes does it take? Do i just concede 100 times when im about to hit B?
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>Runecraft is getting Mal'ganis instead of bloodcraft
???????
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>>162894279
>all heaven dragons are bad
>most Dragon dragons are neutral-good
Rly makes you think
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>>162895754
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>>162895680
Depends what class you're playing. Dragon can afford to ignore the enemy a lot of the time because of Forte. Blood however needs to occasionally trade favorably early game to allow more damage next turn from minions left alive. It doesn't matter if the game goes a bit longer because lol spell damage.

Except against Elana. Fuck Elana, face most of the time for that shit and even then better hope you curve out and they dont.

>>162895763
It's actually a good game, give it a shot.
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>Vampyfag drops Dire Bond
>Gives me exact lethal with Silver Bolt
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>>162895635
Nah m8, ultimate salt is playing dirtrune, stalling and/or petrifying their Elanas, letting their buffed guys break on your wall and then banishing them with calamity, letting their Seraph reach the last countdown then petrifying it too.
And last but not least when they think you're down drop a double ptp on their asses.
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>>162895886
>>most Dragon dragons are neutral-good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>162885410

Just got done mega tryharding up to masters, now i can finally play memes without caring about ladderpoints
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>>162895680
Every deck in the game except Seraph-Elana has to adjust for match ups, the idea that aggro auto loses past 6 is usually a sign of a poor pilot. For the most obvious example, Aggro Shadow's most common gameplan has always been to take people into thresholds for Cerberus+Howl burst or cleaving out with burn. The reason the de facto best Bats build runs a board wipe that kills it more easily than it kills the opponent is that setting up a burn plan is important for closing.

Honestly I'm not a great aggro player myself and part of the reason is that I acknowledge it's hard, but you really learn your match ups, decide your outs, and optimize your damage with a minimum 3 turns advance. I've been following the sponsored NA tournament streams and a lot of players lose game because they think they played optimally hitting face every turn but actually lost damage not realizing that they could've set up for lethal with the cards in their hand.
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>>162895945
>letting their Seraph reach the last countdown then petrifying it too.

That's just asking for a surprise dogma.
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What am I supposed to keep in my hand as rune vs Elana? I feel like every time i play them I just lose.
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>>162895681
>>162895754
I will eventually still trying to roll my first seraph so i can use my dust to make a 2nd

>>162895693
This is the salt i crave, thanks anon
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>playing Budget Banner (no Alwida)
>enemy Haven just uses Themis's Decree 3 times while her amulets tick down
>then the endless healing starts

Suffering.
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>get bad cards
>lose
>get good cards
>win
So this is the power of card games...woah
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>>162895990
Gotta live dangerously if you want to make the best salt.
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>Vampy skin is always aggro
>Urias skin is always control

so, urias players are honorable gentlemen meanwhile vampy players are aggro shitters?
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>>162895953
Name one non-fafnir evil dragon dragon
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>>162896047
Don't be bias.
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>>162896002
FUCk YOU HAVENSHITTER

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

(YOUR OPPONENT HAS DISCONNECTED)
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>>162896028
Welcome to A+ ranks.
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>>162895992
Kaleidoscopic Glow to make that Aria fuck off if only for awhile. Mulligan hard for it. If Earth Rune, petrify is a probably a really good keep too but I cant attest to that.

>>162896047
I personally switched to Urias just to trip people up with my aggrobat deck.
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>>162896030
>tfw your success is based on your draws
really makes you think
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How do I play control blood against Elana Haven?
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>>162896002
Glory be, anon! Hopefully you enjoy it when the time comes!

>>162896079
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>>162896106
Play something else.
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Why do I get more frustrated in Shadowverse than in Hearthstone whenever I don't draw any of my early game in turns 1-3? Is it because HS has Hero Powers that I don't necessarily did nothing those turns?
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>play against a Japanese mobile player
>they're somehow spamming CHARMED! 20 times a second
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>>162895970
are those 484 PtP games?
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>>162896184
It's so good to see heaven beat elfs and swordshits
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>redraw starting hand
>get 3 Radiance Angels

what are the fucking odds

this was because of my win streak, i fucking know it
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>>162895902
I've played as blood and against blood. If we talk of aggro blood it's mainly bats isn't it? Imp would likely be your highest CC card and your finisher together with spells, and your self heal is probably only from MSD if you run her.

Face is still the best option because you need to bring them low enough to finish and trading is especially a bad option unless as I stated before, they could kill you first, in which case it's not even an option, you trade or you die. As banner I always trade against aggro blood because a lot of my guys have 2 hp while theirs have 1, and you can't leave vampy or msd on the board. Like you said blood benefits from trading late against other aggro because you need to buy time to draw into finishers whilst staying alive, but I'd hardly call that strategy. It's still face face face, oh, theyre almost dead and so am I, better stay alive just a bit longer now!
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>>162896224
were you playing banner meme? they get REALLY angry when they see that deck.
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>Tfw you will never be this cucked
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All the new 8 cards to the list. Do tell me what else I miss

Additional notes: Apparently Dragon has 5 Silver for this expansion while everyone else has 4.

Follower of Darkness seems legit for the Shadow player in me.

Anyway, 20 cards left. Hype!
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>>162895945
I actually do play dirtrune haha
>>162894834
Me

The salt from it is very nice but its nothing compare to Seraph, mind sharing your build?
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>>162895983
If you've played enough aggro, you'd know that for every game lost for not planning in advance, you lose two for overthinking it.
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>>162896058
Genesis maybe
But all the other dragons are just either mindless creatures or neutral
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>>162896236

No. All tempo forest
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>Main shadow
>Haven't seen a single havenshitter all day
W-whats going on? Are they planning something, I'm scared guys.
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>>162895970
>now i can finally play memes without caring about ladderpoints

bro, you dont want those juicy 50 packs and 3x animated olivias?
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>>162896047
>I'm playing mindgames with vampy without even knowing

Truly best girl
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>>162896306
>it's mainly bats isn't it?
Not unless you run the really shitty MidnightVamp/Windgod variant. Bats are still a big thing in the good version though, just not the central thing. I always trade against Banner to avoid a turn 4 banner with a setup board because that just ends the game right there.
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>>162896028
>Playing the budget version of an already budget deck
Holy shit anon
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>>162895970
>forest
yeah kys
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>>162896028
Aldwina is a game changer card,more than Otohime
Get her
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>>162896321

Welp, I was a fool. Dragonclaw Pendant IS a Bronze.
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>>162896368
What rank are you? I'll hunt you down.
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>>162896362
post deck
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>>162896396
>>162896415
I only have enough dust to craft one. She'll have to wait for her sisters.
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>sword gets fucking nothing this xpac
im happy
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What rank and anyone that let mush alive for more than one turn is fucking retarded.
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Do you guys ever think they'll put in an 18/18 card that evovles into 20/20?
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>>162896517
Albert and Emelia are probably going to see massive amounts of play.
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>>162896517

Dude, Amelia and Albert will be annoying to deal with in 2017.
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>>162896538
If they hadn't done it with Bahamut they never will.
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>>162896354
Trinity dragon, orb dragon and Shenlong are not "mindless" or evil dragons
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>>162896446
D2, bring it fgt. For some reason even the beginner ranks are filled with netdecking Elanas.
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4PP Augite Dragon
Dragon Follower
3/4 -> 5/6
Fanfare: Randomly discard one of the lowest-cost cards in your hand two times.
Last Words: Draw 3 cards.

Is this really worth it, Dragonfags? Is this meme worth it?
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>>162896524
Meant to quote this
>>162895823
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>>162896612
>either mindless or neutral
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>>162896607
They'll print Bahamut 2 in a few years. Gotta keep that art budget down.
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>>162896642
>D2
Because they're all here in AA being fucking obnoxious.
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>>162896454

I just netdecked it and swapped out one whisperer and one dancer for Wind God and Barrage
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How do I git gud at this game? I either seem to win completely or get shit on before I get anything on the field.

Running haven
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>>162896517
D rank?
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>>162896653
dragon cousin on a stick
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>>162896607
It'd be funny if they put in some alt. neutral Bahamut Legendary that starts at 20/20 but made it cost 11-12 mana.
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>>162896653
I hate it because I'm still leery on discard dragon because it's so easy to kill yourself, but it's a good statline just by itself.
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>>162896389
If the bat player plays first, banner loses the race even with turn 4 banner if they don't trade. Midnight vamp gives too much to bats already on the board, and if banner starts trading late vampy deals too much for bats in hand.

As aggro blood, if banner isn't almost dead t6 they can stabilise with vet lancer, alwidas, and burst you down with storm. As banner my losses vs bats have always been early and unpreventable ie regardless of how I played I'd have lost anyway.

In fact, a lot of aggro games play out that way - luck of draw.
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>>162896665
They are lawful-neutral, not neutral-neutral or chaotic-neutral
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>>162896706
That's an inevitability with Haven. Not even being hateful, the craft's themed around high power low consistency tools and bring as non-interactive as it can get away with.
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>>162896735

It's just a goliath with a different skin, though.

>>162896728

Kissummer no jyakuten!
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>>162896653
>urd
Its pretty good desu
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>>162896653
The dream of Rites into this guy is a beautiful one.
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Discard dragon will be Tier __
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>>162896653
Evades bald man hand of banishment, but has really bad last word for discarding two cards
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>>162896861
F
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>>162896734
HEAR THE DRAGON'S ROAR
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>>162896830
I find myself putting Urd in everything these days.
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>>162896389
>>162895902

Actually, is this you anon? Because I love playing against Elana as aggro. It's usually autowin for me because they're too slow . The good Elanas desperately try to trade and stabilise and sometimes manage to plop Elanas down turn 8 or something ridiculous. The bad ones just die after playing Elanas early because it's 3pp that doesnt do anything by itself, horrible loss of tempo vs aggro. If you're having trouble against them maybe your aggro isn't aggro and more midrange.
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>>162896861
SS+ tier 100% win rate against any other deck>>162896881
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>>162896889
>Make it a Dragoncraft exclusive card instead of neutral
>Phoenix Roost actually becomes useful
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>Satan has a card
>Now Bahamut has a card in the next expansion
Zeus when
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Let's speed things up
>>162896971
>>162896971
>>162896971
>>162896971
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>>162896981

Damn it, anon. I was gonna make a new thread.
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>>162896964
When Greece pay debts
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>>162896964
Rita Shadow leader when
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>>162897032
Too slow!

.le Quickblader
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>>162896691
when was the last time you played that deck though?

mine used to look similar but I ended up dropping 2 Tias and going back to PtP cause she always bricked my hand
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>>162896889
>>162896956
>Dragon drops Phoenix Roost then next turn super 18/18 Bahamut
>opponent Banner Sword, Storm Haven, Bat Blood, or Face Dragon already killed you some turns before this
>opponent Forest pulls off a 20 health Roach combo
>opponent Sword Banishes the Jew
>opponent Shadow Neps into Last Word: destroy a random enemy follower
>opponent Blood pulls off the jank Bloody Mary into Azazel combo
>opponent Rune DShifts 3 times in a row
>opponent Haven Glory Be
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>>162897197

I just hit master with it today, but I haven't really updated it at all to fit the meta. I started playing with it a month ago and never wanted to change it because it never stopped working.
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