Fighting Games General /fgg/

First for sniff.

>TFW no big boob Ingrid to licc and succ

>>162507694
Who is this semen demon?

japanimation

>god's gift
>burn to fight
>playblue
?shitken 7
Who's next?

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ur a fgt, Brick. I challenge you to Nitroplus

Koakuma best 2hu.

>>162507935
What's Nitroplus?

>>162507941
Who is best Applimonster?

>>162507970
Only if you post best boat.

>>162507694
can i milk this anime?

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Why are there some many anime fighters and barely any SF clones?

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>>162508015
ugh.... "cummy blasterz" as you degenerate memers put it.

>>162508162
can't trick weebs into buying karate man games

>>162508060
>Muh purity of learning a langauge

>>162508162
Because those all came out in 1992-1995 and died. Anime is an expression of either the designers' interests or exploiting current trend.

Who else is not buying any gifts for others this year and spending that money on SFV season passes?

>>162508162
Because SF is the most barebones and baseline of fighters.

>>162508162
SF requires good netcode due to links. Anime games use chains you can mash out.
>>162508261
Half of the guys I know that like SF watch animu

>>162508328
Would make more sense if SFV wasn't on top.

>>162508162
There is Koihime Enbu, but nobody plays it.

>>162508162
M8 you should check all the shit that was out on the SNES and CPS1/2 systems.

The weeb trash we're getting today is just devs cashing in on the waifu train because its easy and doesnt take effort.

>>162508162
street fighter relies on its legendary roster of well known for decades characters

anime games you can just pull anime characters out of your ass and call it a game

>>162508403
Many games have links that are also anime.

>look up melty blood
>its some doujin vn/fighting game released in 2002

lol just

lol

>>162508430
Street Fighter is not the only genre that exists. Sell off of Japanese cartoons that are popular.

>>162508430
That's a weird way to spell smash

>>162508517
Can we define what an anime game is real quick? I can't tell if you guys are talking about the infinite DBZ and Naruto games or games like BlazBlue and Guilty Gear. What about Akatsuki Blitzkampf?
>>162508261
Justin Wong

>>162508162
>>162508328
yeah the 90's was filled with SF clones. the companies probably got pretty burned out on them.
pretty sure even if you stacked up all of the newer anime games, they'd still be outnumbered by the 90's stuff.

>>162508545
>look up street fighter
>it's some garbage released in 1980

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>>162507970
i play scary boat!!

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>>162508479
Because the art style and character design is ugly as sin. If they would have went pure 3D or pure 2D it would have been fine. Instead we get half and half with undetailed models.

>>162508434
following your dreams is a pretty quick way of losing all of your money, though. If you don't even know Kanji yet, you should not be going to Japan. We complain about Mexicans that barely know English coming to American and you'll basically be one of those.
>>162508270
Yes? I'm sure if you saw a guy learning Korean just to play Starcraft with them, you'd laugh.

>>162508635
Anything that uses sprites in 2016.

>>>/v/360413615
.

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Where is she Peter, you fucking nigger

>>162508480
Yeah I meant more in today's market, there's tons when you go back.

>>162508790
The sound and game design are great though.

>>162508162
SF sucks hardcore. If people wanted to play outdated shit then sf2 emulation is easy.

>>162508947
>Street Fighter took forever and a lot of money to make and didn't get much in the ways of sales or critical acclaim
>Can either make a cheap-ass game or try and mimic Street Fighter and go broke for unsure product

>>162508790
I think its cause the neutral game is boring as fuck until somebody lands a counter

When I was mashing around in it with the sleepy looking waifu all I did was poke into rekka

>>162508635
Whenever I've seen the the term anime it's been referenced to high combos and airdashing, less focus on neutral and footsies and more set up and vortex. So like MvC2/3, GG, etc

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wheres the balance patch information? its almost 20th

>>162508601
Smash is so far gone from other fighters community wise it's basically its own genre.

>>162508635
>Can we define what an anime game is real quick?
Anime game = what I don't like

>>162509145
Don't lewd the moeka she had the best eyes

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>>162508640
Its also because culture changed.

In the 80s and 90s you still had heavy martial arts movies presence everywhere in mainstream all around the world.
Nobody gives a shit about Bruce Lee anymore and martial arts movies are generally rare now.
Jackie Chan stopped doing movies and Donnie Yen is about as charming and iconic as a brick. He's good though.

Back then devs could also take cool designs and ideas from some proper masculine shit like HnK.
Now Japan is all terrible so its all waifus and ladyboys because pop culture everywhere went to shit and we arent allowed to have cool action shit anymore.

The only martial arts focused franchises that are still around are from the 80s/90s. Everything new is little girls flying around garbage.

>>162508515
Sounds cool to make up a bunch of characters. Do you know anything about programming?

>>162509114
>less focus on neutral and footsies
You are retarded.
> and more set up and vortex
Street Fighter was always the most flowchart vortex shit except turd strike which is quite literalyl random.

>>162509048
Yes but that won't draw new players in. If everything looked something similar to the animation supers the game would sell like hot cakes.

>>162509227
>this /v/etarded f/a/g is back

>>162508162

everything is a sf clone. current fighters are the ones that survived with their own variations.

>>162509232
yes that is completely irrelevant to the topic though

developers choose to create an anime game instead of a street fighter clone for the reason I listed and they know only a very small number of people will stick to the game or even play it so they want to make the gameplay flashy and exaggerated instead of balanced and based on fundamentals

>>162509227
>baaawww people like to have games with other characters that mr Buff McHuge #1 #2 #3 etc
kys

>>162509402
>/a/
lmao

>>162509279
What anime fighters focus on footsies and neutral?

>>162509531
3s

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>>162508805
Fist of Awesome is about punching bears and has nothing to do with Japanese animation
>>162509114
Funny as I see people call Akatsuki Blitzkampf anime just based on the art style, despite it having links and no airdashes or bursts. Hell, most of the characters in it aren't even Japanese.
>>162509207
So is the original SF anime? I mean, I don't know anyone that likes that game.
>>162508517
So what are some anime games heavily focused on links?

>>162509531
KOIHIME

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Kasugano Sakura pleases old men for money!

Ohohohohoho!

>>162509227
Do you really need super buff 90s men to make a non anime fighter?

>>162509451
Or you stop being a fucking idiot. Fighting games evolved and evolving is clearly the way away from a fucking rng mashfest from the 90s. You being a nigga that calls everything not by capcom anime won't change that the genre developed over many years and capcom never managed to adapt.

>>162509531
Koihime Enbu is mechanically the most honest fighting game there is.

>>162509582
>3s
>anime aka airdasher aka triple dights combo city
wat

>>162509531
U.R.I.N.A.L

do you guys think revelator will break sign's numbers?

>>162509696
damn shame about the pedophile bait artstyle though

>>162509742
twelve has an airdash it's anime

>>162509451
So you can make a game that is balanced and plays similar to Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting and I can make a bunch of crazy shit for characters. Seems like a winning situation since you get both animebux as well as people that would sustain the game.

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>>162509680
>buff
No. Martial arts fantasy always left room for really strong grandmasters and even women.
Or rolling monkey men like in Blood Sport.

>>162509765

no. it tanked on ps4. expect less on pc even.

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>>162509756
>watch this show cuz it got shitposted to /fgg/ nonstop for like a year
>it's about anthropomorphic japanese boats in world war 2
>the plot is based off of real world war 2 missions except japan wins every single time
>the usa are the bad guys

>>162509801
The artstyle isn't the problem for me, it's the fact that the 3D models and animations are legitimately some of the worst there is.

>>162509627
>So what are some anime games heavily focused on links?
I concede to heavily. The only ones I could list aren't super heavy.

>>162509473
>>162509680
>Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Donnie Yen
>90s type of buff
You're all retarded and anime ruined your brain.

>>162509627
>Akatsuki Blitzkamp
My negro, it was great.

>>162509921
>implying the USA weren't the bad guys
your reaction image is fitting

>>162509921
Wait I thought that was a phone game

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>>162509227
But Hokuto no Ken is the best and most broken anime fighter of all time. Also
>masculine shit like HNK
>Who is Yuda
Really though, it's the fault of old men that don't buy shit as for why japan is this way now.
I wonder how much "good" anime people like you actually paid for and own versus your collection of torrented DVDrips of the HnK anime that neither Tetsuo Hara or Toei make money from. The funniest part is that you lack self awareness and refuse to buy Japanese DVDs or BDs, make posts like this, and then follow it up by complaining that studios, surprise surprise, make shows for people that buy anime versus those that don't even watch it anymore.

Do any of you here even own Votoms: Alone Again besides me? How about Fist of the North Star's The Legends of the True Savior series of films? At least ONE volume of the manga?

>>162509807
kek

>>162509765
Why would it? It costs twice as much and adds less than half.
It will sell to some who wanted to stick around after Sign and some PS4 players who want to double dip but most of the people who bought it out of interest most likely wont buy the "sequel".

>>162509661
>>162509696
Kohime Enbu is more like SF than any anime game.

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>when someone thinks they made a sick play but they, in fact, have fucked their own butts

>>162510019
rather just watch mad max innit

>>162509976
We should've traded out one of the nukes for another few months' worth of firebombing.

>>162510067
>>162509884
Sign was outdated by the time it came out on PC. This is the latest version on PC. I will lose faith in the PC FGC if this doesn't break Sign's pitiful total numbers.

>>162509691
But Capcom makes tons of anime. MvC is like the poster child of the anime fighter.

>>162510019
i'll start buying BDs when japan wakes up and stops charging 60000 dollars for a box set

>>162509921

imagine if a german company did that. they would locked up for nazism and germany would make a formal apology

>>162508801
Yes? I'm not moving to Japan yet, I'm learning Japanese so that I can eventually move to Japan while getting a degree so that I can make a living both here and there.

And, yes, some of the most successful American Brood War players trained in Korea. It's hard to see how something could mean so indescribably much more to someone else than it does to you, but that's the way of passion.

>>162510019
Nah, everyone else needs to change, not me.

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>>162509921
There is an American unit among the player ones. If I understand from osmosis, the enemy units are lifeforms that have taken war wreckage into their own bodies and player units possibly also these, but used to fight against the main ones.

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>>162510019
>buying anime

>>162510213
Marvel is not anime and neither is street fighter because they are from capcom. Anime is just made up by the capcomunity to shittalk the genre and feel better about themself praising trash.

>>162510227
They have to squeeze every dime out of hardcore fans because the masses won't buy enough to sustain making it.

>>162510119
birdie's j lp works like his j lk?

just got a ps4 and bbcf

who wants to play

>>162510425
no
they fixed that

>>162509921
>>the usa are the bad guys
Welcome to the real world. You helping a little on the side was a one offchance of you otherwise always fucking the entire world over.
>america is so shit they get their 'democratic' elections highjacked by russian 4chan trolls

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Tick throws are really fucking me recently. Half my healthbar gone over the course of the game because I guess wrong

How do I git gud at not getting fucked in the ass by tick throws

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Is ryu a good beginner character in super smash bros?

>>162510174
It's still half a year late, and 64.99 US dollars.

I'm personally passing on Revelator, and I'm one of those "GG veteran" faggots.

Fuck can't they give us a release date for Tekken 7 yet? I feel like fucking snow white over here wondering when my prince will come to save me from this lack of good fighting games.

>>162510368
>Shit I made up
No it's a subgenre used to identify one kind of popular fighting game from another.

>>162510357
If you don't show there is a market for ones that are based on wuxia cliches, then they will not produce more of those in favor of current anime trends. It is the same as how Capcom works. Series that don't sell as well get truncated.

>>162510535
embrace your inner 3s and never tech

>>162510524
>democratic' elections highjacked by russian 4chan trolls
that didnt happen you idiot.
not the voting anyway.

>>162510535
jump back tech OS

>>162510213
>marvel
>anime

try saying that on >>>/co/

>>162510631
how do that?

>>162510601
lmao, nothing will compel a sane human being to spend hundreds on a dvd box set.

nips should have tried to spread anime across the globe back when it was popular. instead, they did all their business through a tiny handful of american companies.

they only have themselves to blame for the current state of anime.

>>162509227
Bro, I didn't bother to read your post, but Bolo Yeung is the fucking man.
Did you know he was 50 when he did Bloodsport? HOLY SHIT.

>>162510665
the x-men cartoon had an anime intro in japan marvel's anime

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>>162510665
Seems easy enough

>>162510574
It is a made up slang by americans. No one else would get so triggered to draw an artifical line just to defend capcoms honor.

>>162510368
nah its cause the characters are literally anime designs. kof/sf/marvel are at most hybrid artstyle in their 2d versions and not at all anime in their 3d versions.

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>>162510573
tekken
tag
tournament
two

>>162510549
No, he does stuff that goes against the Smash mechanics.

Mario, Luigi,Captain Falcon and Villager are best imo. They have mechanics and combos that are easy to understand, and don't have any complicated gimmicks.

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>>162510019
>yuda
>not the manliest and prettiest around
Old men arent necessarily the target audience of shit like that.
They were what used to generate sales back when they were young.

Its the newer generation that simply doesnt have the same heroes anymore.
Back then you had Stallone, now you have Shia Lebouf.
Its a shift. The martial arts and action boom is over and thats a fact.

And you know, I supported a lot of that shit. I got so many action and kung fu Bluray DVDs and VHS even. I buy all the games that have the style I enjoy.
I was all about the Dragonball shit back when it was peaking popularity wise which was the nicest china kung fu themed shit around. Same with Ranma and shit. Pretty sure I have some Ninja Scroll and Kenshin somewhere here too.
I used to get the translated gaijin Shonen Jump for my punchmanga fix.

Out of all that old shit only Dragonball still gets games, and they are all just about the inferior DBZ and they suck on top of that.

Blaming the people who actually did support it is such a gay /a/ thing to do.

>>162510003
It is but it got an anime.

>>162510549
OK as beginner character. He is like a slower falcon or faster ike.
>>162510573
January annoucement

>>162510757
>more shit I made up

marvel isn't anime. you know why?

the way air untechable time work in anime games is much different than "regular" fighting games like sf, kof, marvel, dark stalkers (!).

marvel 3 is pretty damn anime, though.

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>>162510772
>kof is not anime

>>162510772
Street Fighter has the most anime design ever. Nothing but generic or even racist stereotypes and muhdick bait for 12 year olds.

>>162510174
This is pretty fucking outdated too. The majority of people already dropped Revelator. So many moved onto CF or simply dont play anymore.

The price is also inexcusable. Game has been on sale for 30$ and less on the PS4 multiple times now.
Now they want me to pay extra for the "FREE" DLC from it?

Fuck ASW honestly. I see no reason to support them anymore unless they get their shit together.

>>162510709
After you come out of blockstun, wait a few frames, then do upback, lp+lk, and go back to downback.

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>>162508162
Alright, since everyone's being retarded and posting buzzwords, let me give you a little history lesson. Back in the 90s, the whole point of arcade games was to make money fast. If games had low damage, a kid could easily get through a bunch of fights on one quarter. This also applies to shooting games. The whole reason Danmaku became a thing is because if a shooter was too easy, one kid would hog the machine all day. High damage like SFII was viable and liked by retailers because they could watch kids get their asses beat in 10 seconds from a short combo, then put in more money. You could even change the difficulty, and for some games, round number, in the game's service menu for maximum money gain. Then, consoles became popular and devs figured out "hey, we don't have to make one hit equal half of someone's lifebar anymore since that arcade money is irrelevant in a console game, so let's make the game's systems more complex since there will now be an easily accessible training mode and players will have more time to practice" and they began to make more and more complex systems. Why do you think the average Touhou PC danmaku is easier to play than the average Cave arcade Danmaku? There's no incentive to make it a game where someone has to pay a few quarters every few seconds to just keep going. This eventually led to the games you see with even more complex and long combos that are still technically easier when you consider that they are easy to input chains you can dial in versus links with hard, specific timing. This is why SFIV, an arcade game, has 1f links, unlike SFV. Anyway, many devs really, really like that style of combo making, so that's why game with long "anime" combos are so popular now. Making a traditional fighter with simple mechanics is seen as boring now and they think people want more long combos where individual hits are weak. Doujin players have plenty of time to get good at them and sit around playing all day.

>>162510665
You're either trolling or dense. Anime fighter != anime franchise.

>>162510952
the chins

>>162510823
the us were the good guys and it was black and white in world war 2.

the us sanctioned the fuck out of japan cuz of the shit that was going on in china and the mongol area. japan got mad and bombed pearl harbor without officially declaring war.

japan then got their shit kicked in in just about every naval mission and refused an unconditional surrender that forced the us to nuke them twice. the sad part in all of this is that the reason why they refused an unconditional surrender was because they were okay with dying as long as they took americans with them. when we revealed the second nuke, they realized that not only could we kill thousands of them without shedding a single drop of american blood, we could do it over and over again.

>>162510506
where are you from

>>162510535
play a character with a good AA like chun or birdie and keep everybody out forever.

>>162510721
42 actually.

>>162510717
Consider your own words.
>nothing will compel a sane human being to spend hundreds on a dvd box set.
This means that an unhealthy person would be more likely to purchase large quantities of their products, meaning they will make more money than what you are aiming for.

Additionally, Dragon Ball Super would be a series designed for foreign markets, showing that they are capable of adaptation.

>>162511004
how does this work? can you still tech throws in the first few frames of your jump?

>>162511036
the US sanctioned the fuck out of japan because the jews couldn't control what was going on in asia and it scared them
for the same reason they had to intervene in mainland europe

Since they fixed 8f down to 4f, does this mean they changed the netcode as well?

IIRC they said that 8f was necessary for the netcode in its current implementation to work properly.

>>162510783
I was actually never a big fan of the tekken tag games.

>>162510535
its quite easy to predict when they cross up and do light jab and try throw next. just look for that light button

melee is the most unanime game. but it has a lot of funny weebs anyway.

>>162507787
>>162507734
>Rachel butt.jpg
>First for sniff.
what did he mean by this?

>>162511036
>the US were the good guys lol we bombed the heck out of them for not agreeing to our trade deals see how good we are

>>162511020
I really like you and this post because you didn't use
>shmup
when discussing those games.

>>162511020
I like Galaga. What is that an example of?

>>162510935
I want to call the game anime just from the insane combo length and all the infinites.

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>>162511135
i getcha. they're my favorites. but that's where the action is/has been for 5 years if you want to get a head start.

>>162511186
yeah I try this and eat combos because they decided not to go for the throw that time

>>162511087
20 years too late. Should've done it when anime was absurdly popular. Now, due to online streaming sites and torrents, anime is worth nothing.

>>162510549
Nope,he is one of the few characters on the game that require skill,especially if you want to do his special moves the right way,

>>162511320
I'd rather just wait for T7. I played from 3 to 5 and then unfortunately fell off at DR because I didn't have a ps3. Which is a shame because I hear DR was fantastic.

>>162511359
if they go meaty then usually they start with mediums after cr

>>162511020
>they think people want more long combos where individual hits are weak.
When one combo though does almost half health is really "weak?"

I just want all my hits to be earned. It feels like I'm playing against the game instead of my opponent.

>>162511475
i'm sure i could find a bunch of people talking about how much they think blacks are subhuman, doesn't make it true

appeal to authority fallacy

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>>162511484
>mfw I meaty with lights as birdie
I wish I had at least one comboable medium thats at least +1 on block.

>>162511107
The pre jump frames are throw invincible I believe. It's hard to do consistently, but you can also do moves in the pre jump frames like SPD and make them throw invincible i think

>>162511189
Smash is the most neutral/footsie heavy game.

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>>162510227
>>162510357
And with that way of thinking, this is EXACTLY why shows like K-On are still made and Kyoani is in business. Those people WILL spend 6000 dollars for a box set and they are the ones being pandered to. Do you know why HnK had an anime and a million NES games? Because the fans actually bought them.
>>162510717
Japan has in fact spread anime all throughout the world. Koreans like it (I mean, they even make it), South Americans and Europeans like it, and they even have shows like OPM and Jojo reaching meme status in America.
>>162511391
And this ties into what I was saying earlier. If you just torrent everything, you really have no right to complain that they make shows for the neckbeards buying Madoka figures and ejaculating on them. That is their audience. That is who buys stuff. You people are no better than the crazy feminists that call games they weren't going to ever buy sexist and demand being pandered to, then don't buy the shit anyway.
>man, that new Saint Seiya was cool
>buy? Heh, not a chance, I'm no crazy fanboy
>w-what? They cancelled it? Fucking Japs only want to make moeshit!
>>162510851
I don't even go to /a/.
>I used to get the translated gaijin Shonen Jump for my punchmanga fix.
Anyway, they don't make money through those Funi box sets and Viz tankoban that are only 20 dollars. They only get money for the initial license. This is why you must buy the Japanese DVDs and manga. If you really care about anime and manga, you would support the creators by buying their stuff.
Do you know why Eva still gets merchandise? Because the fans buy it. In fact, I'd argue that HnK is still relatively popular and gets merchandise because of the few devoted Japanese fans. It's not kids buying those Kenshiro condoms. They want you, the people that grew up with it, buying them instead of complaining about anime you don't watch. Anyway, there are still lots of heroes, they just aren't as publicized as they used to be.

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Why don't normal people like fighting games?

>>162511107
The way it works is, if they already threw you, the jump doesn't come out at all. All the game sees is your throw input, which means you tech the throw. If they hit you immediately, then you were still holding downback for a while, so you block it. And if they shimmy back to bait a throw, then you jump backwards and do a j.lk.

>>162512041
normal people are to intelligent

>>162512041
Skill curve to play good is too high for normies friend.

>people actually think the US was always the bad guys

news flash, the us started being the bad guys in the late 50s and 60s

>modder releases perfectly accurate version of SFIV's Juri costume for SFV
>now if Capcom releases Juri's nostalgia costume people will say they're ripping off the modder

>>162512041
Fighting Games are hard, they prefer simpler games like FPS/MOBAs.

>>162512293
>Fighting Games are hard
lmaoooooo

>>162512041
unlike almost every other type of video game, they take more than 0 skill, effort, and knowledge to play. they're too hard for the average modern day piece of shit video game player.

>>162512041
Why did you even out Revelator there? It's not out yet.

>>162512312
In the eyes of a normal person, who never played one, they are.

>>162512273
>what is Dota

>>162512026
Because an industry that panders to the insane isn't what you'd call healthy.

Hell many Japanese are against the massive costs of blue rays and dvds. Alongside that the Japanese system for making shows puts a huge strain on the studies forcing them to engage in acts that often get the ire of their fans. Not to mention branching out into more odd things is a huge risk because of the extreme success/fail with no inbetween.

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>>162512421
>implying DOTA requires skill

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>>162511245
I actually prefer using the term vertical scrolling shooter over danmaku when discussing these games with other westerners, but I ran out of space
>>162511314
An early shooter. Not really a scrolling shooter like Galaga '90.
>>162511642
They want you to practice and know the system inside and out since they're so proud of it. And yes, while a long combo is totally going to knock away half of your life bar, it takes a while to learn one like that in a lot of airdashers and a good bit of them have bursts as a get out of jail free card. To be fair, this is also possible in games with high damage anyway, with fights sometimes almost feeling like gimmicks because someone can just punish their opponent again and again with a short combo they keep falling for. It all depends on the level of play. Of course, the main idea behind a lot of these games is simply to not get hit, since the long combo is the reward of the person that trained more to get in anyway. I mean, a person could come up with a 100% combo, but if they lack the knowledge of the other player's style and abilities, they won't be able to get in anyway. This is what makes high level Tekken so interesting for me personally. Players with better execution of attacks may not always win if they can't actually get in the hit needed to start off the juggle.

>>162512041
Fighters have no proper history on PCs.
People who grew up with Diablo, Warcraft and Quake dont know fighting games.
Shit is only slowly growing on it since last gen. They've got a lot of catching up to do.

SFV being crossplay was a really good idea, but even many of the people who play it on PC wouldve felt forced to play on the PS4 instead if crossplay wasnt a thing.

The more interesting number would be console activity for fighters. But we wont ever get that.

>>162512278
Looking at the costume it doesn't really fit here body anymore. I feel weird for complaining about tit size but they just don't work with the classic costume.

>>162512532
That's exactly what I'm doing. Thank god you pointed it out for those who might have not seen that.

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>>162512674
please anon my sides can only take so much

>>162512674
lmao

>>162512554
Tekken isn't as bad because you really need to work for your hits. My complaints are more taward games like MvC with it's one touch death combos.

>>162512524
Not him, but what would you call a healthy industry? One where they make barely any money because every show is 5 dollars so they may get a few more potential sales from the normalfags that were so totally going to buy Taimianin Asagi?

>>162511916
so doing this correctly means that if they throw you, you tech the throw.

If they go for a hit, you take one hit and flip backwards

right?

>>162512041
Normies only play 3D fighters on console. Also SFV would've been atleast a 10k+ game if Capcom had made a proper game at launch.

>>162512041
You might as well have put MKX, Skullgirls and Injustice on there and made us look a little better
Reality is those games get more players than GG and KOF (yes, Skullgirls gets more).

>>162512894
Ones that make a lot of money in China like film industry

>>162512210
oh okay, thanks. Will be trying this from now on.

>>162512780
>>162512823
Dota 2 is hard as fuck to learn. Massive roster and the need for team effort. You learn SFV faster than you learn Dota 2.

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Is there anything worthwhile in Cummy Blasters besides being to punch Sonico in the stomach?

>>162513161
Massive roster with four moves each.
One SF character has the depth of ten and more Dota heroes.

And "team effort" just means that your ass can easily get carried.

>>162513161
no, if you never played a rts or a fighting game dota 2 will be way way easier to learn, you never made people try fighting games to say that they can't even do qcf and get even more confused because of p1 p2 sides

>>162513029
>American film industry
>healthy
>more formulaic than DBZ and plagued with remakes of movies not even a 20 years old
>pander to a nation with a billion people that you don't even like
>movie does well
what a shocker

>tfw never played a moba

>>162510019
alone again sucked ass dude

>>162513245
yeah, you get to buy and play a fighting game that isn't shit.

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The only way to make fighting games a normie genre is to make it a team game so they have things to get carried by and blame

>>162513245
Playable Arthur(female) and gore hentai girl.

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>>162513332
i've played hundreds if not over a thousand hours of LoL and you're not missing anything

they're braindead kusoge that take as close to no skill to play as any real-time game can get

>>162513309
That is the pinnacle of health. It produces massive profit and is able to grow.

>>162513281
>And "team effort" just means that your ass can easily get carried.
Not when everyone on the team are boosted monkeys.

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>>162513245
I think it's a good introduction to air dashers. I think it's a fun little side game, personally, and I even put a bit of time into it. I'd totally enter a side tourney for it just because I like games with assists, but I don't think I'd go to a tournament just for it. What is is it you don't like about it particularly, though? The complete lack of meter/burst management between rounds? The incredibly easy combos? The damage scaling?

>>162513012
>Capcom had made a proper game at launch.
When was the last time they did that?

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Is it wrong to be intimidated by MvC games?

I watch high end Street Fighter fights and usually the wins aren't gigantic spectacles. Usually they are pretty straight forward wins.

But with MvC2 and UMvC3 the games just seem insane where its just a mess, a flurry of hits and characters flying all around the screen. All the combos just seem like custom combos where its just a slew of normals into specials into assists and capped with supers. I can barely even keep track of WTF is happening from a spectator's standpoint.

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>>162513161
>takes potentially years of practice and experience in order to develop solid fundamentals
>neutral game and footsies change on-the-fly
>execution and conversions require hundreds of hours of lab testing and fine-tuning
>each character in any fighting game has more depth than every character in DOTA combined
>you can read guides and watch tutorials on how to play someone as basic as Ryu and still get your ass kicked in ranked like a little bitch despite knowing all of the theory by-the-book
>you only have to look up some basic setups and casually press 1 or 2 keys on DOTA in order to feel like a kewl PC master race hax0r 1337 lmfao /fgg/ on suicide watch DOTA is so much more ebin! XDDD
>"you learn SFV faster than you learn DOTA 2"
really made me think

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>>162513281
And one Tekken character has more depth than 10 SF characters, but normalfags still love to mash in 3d fighting games if that series' sales are anything to go by.

>>162513478
I don't know, I tried getting back in after almost a year of not playing and all my mechanical skill is gone.

>>162513581
>being intimidated by anything
lmao

>>162513581
This is why MVCi is 2v2, no assists.

I wonder if marvel 3 will be the lead-in to sfv at evo next year now that the series is back

>>162513497
Then you just go for another match.
You WILL get carried sooner or later in a team based game.
A success experience will happen sooner or later.

In a fighter people can lose hundreds of matches before they get their first win.

Honestly online play might be part of the reason why people dont want to bother with fighters these days.
Back then you played against your other shitty friend and you both sucked and both of you won every now and then.
Now people dont play with friends but hit ranked instead.
Then they bitch as they volunteered to jump into the shark tank.

>>162513487
But Japs make plenty of things with foreigners in mind that still sell like shit. Just look at SFV.

>>162513581
I feel you anon. I get more angry how 5 seconds of footsies can turn into death.

>>162513694
So what you're saying is
>Matchmaking eventually puts you in a position where your overall skill (team skill in mobos) will be better than the opponent

>>162513735
>Multiple schoolgirls and a lot of Japanese characters in general
>Lack of popular characters like Guile at launch
>Unrealistic models

>>162513631
>depth is a lot of useless moves in a list
i think the word you're looking for is bloat

>>162513396
Smash doubles?

>>162513608
Guides kind of muddy the water a bit. If you played dota without any form of a guide it would takes ages to learn just basic shit like items, camps spawns terrain.

>casually press 1 or 2 keys on DOTA
If you casually press any key in dota you will probably die. a lost of characters need proper spacing and timing to not get butt raped in team fights.

top MOBA pros barely have 50-60% win rate

sfv pros have 85-90%

makes u think

>>162512384
that's an accurate representation of the game's population, regardless

>>162513906
>Lack of popular characters like Guile
>Guile
lmao probably the less hyped dlc character despite being the best dlc character

>>162513694
I know people who have given up on fighters because of the struggle to be decent online is such a long and painful process.

>>162514078
1v1 vs 5v5
That's a real hard comparison to make.

>>162514078
They don't count the many times from their beginner years they lose to get that good.

>>162513396
god i'd love to stick my stinky NEET hobo dick insode of parasoul

Is Akuma's v-skill the same thing as Ryu's v-skill but better since there's an option for a follow up attack?

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>>162514058
not a fighting game :)

>>162514169
Its not natural.
Its a social genre. You're kinda supposed to start off with buddies, at least thats how it used to be when fighters were at their popularities peak with SF2 and Tekken 3.
Even in arcades with killers around you at least had some word of mouth going on that allowed people to share experiences and improve together.
The japanese still value that.

Online is none of that unless you're going out of your way to join discords and shit.
Just going into random lobbies or ranked with zero understanding will get you ruined and I can see how thats frustrating to beginners.
Its definitely not how I got into the games.

>>162513906
Dumbest post in this thread that completely ignores what he said.

Also no SFV has no loli characters to make dudebros feel insecure. All the girls are mature. Sakura isn't even in it.

>>162514460
>Karin, Mika, Ibuki

>>162514441
This is why Bamco just goes overboard with the SP content instead. Most casuals will never enjoy fighting games online. And you can't blame them really.

>>162514562
>Karin, Mika, Ibuki
All mature girls. What's your point? Don't blame the game that you're a fag.

>>162514604
>And you can't blame them really.
bunch of fucking faggots

>>162514441
video games are supposed to be social tools anyway. taking them online along with all the new social media stuff/digital image/online persona shit didn't help fighting games either.

>>162514604
Single player content is also garbage and misses the point heavily.

When people played Tekken3 they didnt spend much time in Tekken Force.
They played against friends. The hook was always the fighting,

If anything something like Tekken Ball was a MUCH better idea, because thats still 1v1, even if its just a fun minigame.
More modes would be good. More single player shit is misplaced resources.

But most of all players need to stop being such antisocial bitchqueers and actually play with their buddies again, even if its just online.
Even in shitty mobas so many complain about their team members being awful, but they can never be assed to actually play with their friends.

Now the big question is how can fighting game developers get people to approach shit like that again?


>>162514736
I'm telling you for fighters specifically it made it all worse.
Veterans benefit from the online, but beginners just have the worst experience.

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>>162514057
I didn't even mention the moves. I'm talking about the movement. Tekken doesn't just have running and complex movement mechanics like the KBD you have to master just to have a chance of playing competitively. It has a third plane of movement, a Z axis. Because of this Z-Axis, you have to memorize things like what you can do from a sidestep and how the stage affects your tactics. In most 2d fighting games, most stages are the same, so corner carry works the same way no matter where you are. In 3d fighting games, some of your strategies simply won't work in the corner since you can't escape easily. The Z axis alone gives 3d fighting games more space control than most 2d fighting games.

>>162513906
>released early in America for the FGC
>contains many FGC-centric features
>using realism as a point when people like characters such as blanka and he's been around since SFII, a game Americans like

>>162514562
Yeah I'm sure people refused to buy SFV because Ibuki, a late DLC character, is still in ninja school.

>This is what Neofaggers actually believe.

>>162514731
And yet they're the ones funding your new games and tournaments. Be a little appreciative, as casuals keep companies afloat.

>>162515065
Blanka in Street Fighter II looked like an actual freakish person. His later depictions turned him into cute goofball.

>>162514858
>Now the big question is how can fighting game developers get people to approach shit like that again?
Tag-based modes that allows one character per player. Some games do this already probably.

why cant i preoder the SFV season 2 pass on steam yet

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>>162515187
>green lightning BR with long ears
>freakish "person"
Please show me just one person that looks like this

>>162515334
just look in the mirror lol

>buy a ps4 last month
>nesica gets dumped on PC
>revelator is announced

wtf....

>>162515225
I bet Marvel Infinite will have something like that

>>162515187
next you're going to tell me that Tekken used to be a super adult mature serious game with awesome dudes like Kuma and Ling until Lucky Chloe ruined it forever

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>>162515334

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>>162514132

>>162515225
It was a fun thing in SFxT.
Thats not a bad idea. That way more experienced players can carry beginners so that they dont lose exclusively.
Then when the beginners truly get into it they can try to make it all work solo.

But that would again require people to get a bit more social.
Feels like the only ones who still enjoy couch play are the Nintendo players.

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https://youtu.be/n08YzAvNP0U?t=1m8s
>tfw cummy combos

>>162515612
gootecks likes Guilty Gear. Really, a lot of the Capcom celebs like Justin Wong do. No idea why there's so much artificially generated hostility between SF and GG by the kappakids. Hell, Wong even plays a little Melee and was at The Fall Classic's VF tourney.

>>162515334
He did say freakish.
SF2 blanka isn't even really green, he's kind of yellowish.

>>162515612
>yfw Gootecks is going to be in the White House tomorrow

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>>162515334

>>162515709
Kappa kids do nothing but shit on SFV and praise GG all day. Hell they only whine that people who love GG need to play it more so online is more alive.

>>162515697
Is any character in this game not unga as fuck? I mean, I love it for this reason, but I'm serious, as I see everyone landing that kind of shit.

>>162515697
Why wasn't Angela playable instead of just an assist? She even had her own movie.

>>162515661
Nintendo players and FIFA dudebrehs*
Forgot those.
FIFA/Madden actually keep that couch spirit alive. Thats how bad it has gotten.

>>162512524
That's capitalism baby.
Don't like it? Move to China or North Korea, those countries keep the degenerates in line.

>>162515709
Wong actually used to play VF back in the day if I remember right.

>>162515824
So why did they fund an SF player to get to Evo instead of a GG player? Why are there memes all about top Capcom players?

>>162515839
Why is her last name ball sack?
>>162515901
But Chinese officials rape girls all of the time.

>>162515828
>long combo
>unga
thats not what unga means, anon

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>>162515661
>>162515416
Yeah it's a pretty fun way to play fighting games. Usually when I'm with friends, I prefer to play with them rather than against. I think this is a general rule true for many which is why team-based online games rule the world. Also this means that any two friends, no matter how differently skilled can play together. Right now I can't play fighting games with my casual friends. It's boring for me and them.

>>162515998
I thought unga just meant easy braindead monkey combos anyone could string together. What does it really mean?

>>162516092
it's just another meaningless epic internet meme buzzword at this point.

>>162515709
Wong plays anything. He's cool like that.

It feels like Guilty Gear attracted a really ugly and vocal minority starting with Sign.
Just many bitter cunts all around, and you dont see that from other fanbases.
Its also mostly online. I know many GG players who are nice guys, but even then some of them mutate into giant spergs online.
Its like some sort of hate culture developed online.

>>162516092
braindead easy pressure or mixup that a monkey could achieve by mashing buttons on the stick

should i buy revelator on steam?
will it be active?

>>162516092
unga would be synonymous with brain-dead which means not taking a lot of mental fortitude.

>>162516234
itll die after 2 months like sign did, but youll be able to find games. just not in lobbies/ranked

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What do Goobers and Kermit have to do with each other?
I'm a bit confused as to the origin of this meme.

>>162516304
no idea but that shit's fuckin hilarious

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>mfw t7 is 40 cents a game in Korea
I still have to wait a minimum of 3 months before the game is released.

>>162516092
Braindead easy mixups and pressure that often times give big damage. Azrael and Leo are the forefathers.
Just bash your fucking hands on the stick, it'll work

>>162515913
For the same reason why they don't actually play gg like all the people who praise the game and then you look at player count and it really makes you think.

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>>162516304
Just another way to use the "dead kermit" meme under the shitpost culture of /fgg/.

>>162513161
You also need to be multilingual and have experience dealing with the mentally handicapped too as well.

>>162516406
>dead kermit
And where did this come from?

>>162516378
May release the soonest

It's a great time to be a Tekken fan!
-MarkMan

>>162516304
>>162516487
it's literally autism
just ignore it like everybody else

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will non-capcom companies ever make good fighting games?

>>162516685
doubt it

>>162514904
>The Z axis alone gives 3d fighting games more space control than most 2d fighting games.

Yet projectiles are pretty much verboten in them.

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>>162516164
Look at /fgg/. I'd argue that a lot of online communities are like that now. Hell, it seems like every time I go to Shoryuken, the Capcom community that still goes there is still trying to tear itself apart. Anyway, I can explain it for GG to some extent. It's the "self hating anime fan that wants to prove he's a serious person" thing, i.e., "nerds making fun of other nerds". At least from one ones I've observed like MaximillianDood. You know, the kind of people that will say things like "Now, I know this game looks weird, but it's TOTALLY NOT like those other anime games" or "DUDE! Look at how edgy this guy is and how much blood there is! It's not anime because I like it" like the people that like Dark Souls and Megami Tensei that can't come to grips with liking something too Japanese. Granted, that can also be argued about people that play most fighting games made in Japan and is just one flavor of the online shit sandwich.

>>162516765
Projectiles are shit in 3d because of side stepping and the way blocking work.

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>>162516872
i'm glad i'm not mentally ill and just enjoy a good fighting game (sfv) on the side, phew!

>>162516980
The obvious fix would be horizontal fireballs. that one boss dude in SC has that, right?

But jumping in all 3d fighters is fucking shit so I dont think actual 2D type of zoning could ever work.
3D fighters have sidesteps, but they are greatly lacking in verticality.
You'll never see a character like Adon or Dhalsim in a 3D fighter.

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>>162516304
There's no joke. It's simple anti-humor. Most of /fgg/ is legitimate autismoids that don't know how humor works. Just posting a picture of Kermit the frog and a picture of GG's online numbers next to it is not a joke. This is a kindergartner's idea of what humor is. What's next? Posting a picture of Woody from Toy Story next to the sales of Watch_Dogs 2? You could at least have someone draw Kermit as Sol. Even Family Guy puts more effort into its humor. In fact, Family Guy had a scene where Kermit threatens to shoot a black guy for coming in his swamp. Still a lazy redneck joke, but with a bit more effort than le kermit gear.

At best, I can say it creates a sort of meta joke about how this meme has somehow become so forced that it gets brought up even when no one is talking about Guilty Gear. I think that the people that hate it talk more about it than the actual group of players, much like furries being a big topic despite hardly being around anymore.


Anyway, If you want an example of a funny dank meme about a fighting game being shit, look at this picture. I like KOF and this is hilarious since it has an actual joke.

The simple series is an actual established franchise of budget games, KoF XIV's lackluster graphics are reminiscent of a budget game, and it's not just going "heheh, ps2 gaem" like a /v/ post and puts effort into the parody, even using the same naming convention of the Simple series, following the likes of The Chikyuu Boueigun, The Sniper 2, and The Oneechanbara. It even uses a bad closeup of the ingame model just like The Daibijin for the authentic look.

>>162516872
>comparing animetrash to real sports and interests like music

>>162516394
So it's like the MW2 boycott? They spend all day complaining about the game instead of actually playing something like Quake, but then still say Quake is superior while playing MW2? Why not just play the game you say is good? I find a way to play GG for at least an hour a day, so I have no idea why this is difficult. I'm still shit, but it's a learning process. They just hate learning and putting in hard work? Is it all just memes?

>>162516765
Does a game need to be centered around zoning to be good? Do people really believe neutral can't exist in a smaller distance between characters?
>>162517098
And you will never see a character like Vanessa Lewis in a 2d fighting game.

Do we have any strong players that play guile?

Rashid seems to really struggle in the matchup and it will only get worse in s2. I need to practice it more

>>162517098
In order for a horizontal fireball to not be busted it needs to be duckable.

But then its easily avoidable.

Projectiles just don't work in 3d because of how movement is emphasized.

Only game I've seen have zoning similar to 2d is ASB and projectiles in that were pretty shit unless they tracked.

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>tfw finally in the top 500

FEELS FUCKING GREAT MAN
HITTING THOSE GOALS I SET FOR MYSELF BACK IN THAT BETA
I'M GONNA SHOOT FOR TOP 300 IN SEASON 2
NEVER GIVE UP ON YOUR DREAMS

>>162517268
Is your favorite fighting game comparable to music?

>>162517397
fucking delete this right now

>>162517427
Nice, who you play?

>>162517035
>not mentally ill
>enjoys dash and mash 5

>>162517484
Birdie.

>>162514904
That third plane of movement comes at the expense of the vertical axis. You'll have the occasional airborne attack but you'll rarely see any sort of air to air.

3D also tend to be weaker in projectiles and other heavy zoning elements. That's unless you jump into something like EVS or Virtual On which have the control and camera elements handle 3D movement more efficiently.

>>162517484
birdie

>>162517447
I like mkx, and it's pretty comparable to linkin park

What does other fighting games compare to musically? When i see GG i think of cheesy anime music

>>162516872
I dont think that has anything to do with that.

It just feels like many GG players demand more recognition, when their fighter is just shitty as any other. Maybe decades of people praising GG as the greatest fighter ever made established this false sense of superiority.

And then when they dont get that recognition/people dont play their game they lash out at the biggest thing around, which is SF, at least in FGC circles.

You dont see Tekken and MK players act like that. Even KoF players mostly do their own thing.

I dont know what the true source of that is, all I know is that this type of behavior is ugly and it scares people away from those games further.


Also there is always infighting in the SF camp because all the entries are so different.
Its extra big now because SFV is still fresh.
People have problems voicing their own opinions, and things they disagree with are objectively shit, not just things they dislike.
Many forget that choosing your favorite fighting game is a completely subjective thing, and everybody has their own priorities.
Nobody should expect all SF4 players to enjoy SFV, but at the same time SF4 players shouldnt be surprised when there's people around who enjoy SFV more.

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>>162517373
>Rashid seems to really struggle in the matchup
Do you know how to v-reversal and instant divekick from crouch to bait a flashkick (same input as cammy but the height restriction is slightly higher)?

I think pickles plays guile at a decent level.

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>>162517576
Guitly Gear is heavy metal. It even has the belts and leather.
but really, we all know it's free form jazz

>>162517576
street fighter 4 is skrillex
street fighter 5 is the jimi hendrix

>>162517540
>dash and mash 5
silver league: the post

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Does anyone have the image showing that Xrd's models are really stretched out versions of sprites from XX?

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>>162517484
I'll see you there. I'm steadily climbing.

>>162517717

Why would anyone choose to play an ugly character?
Do you have self-esteem issues?

>>162517776
Because not everyone is retarded enough to care about worthless cosmetic garbage that doesn't affect the gameplay.

>>162517596
>You dont see Tekken players act like that
A guy is jerking himself off to the concept of a Z Axis in this very thread

>>162517639
Yeah, i can do all of that. It doesn't work on high level guile players though, guile forces rashid into a sort of a dead zone where I can't capitalize on anything and my own pushback on buttons puts guile back in his favorite spots.

But i really just need more practice in the MU, i have some tech i'd like to try

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>>162517776
>being this much of a batty boy
Birdie is FUN, funny and has a really cool playstyle.

Not everybody is self inserting to live out power fantasies because they are shit IRL.

>>162517861
>wanting to play a character you like the looks of is worthless cosmetic garbage

>>162517878
Yeah but its kinda rare.
In general 3D fighters feel split off from 2D fighters in many communites.
I got many places that talk about SF,KoF,GG and BB, but nothing 3D.
Kind of a shame. They are different, but I see no reason not to play both.
I'd rather play one 3D and one 2D fighter than two samey airdashers.

>>162517965
Yeah pretty much.

>>162517965
Yes, choosing to play as a character for reasons that have nothing to do with their gameplay is retarded.

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>>162517776
birb is beautiful.
he needs more fanart. maybe I should commission some.

How does blocking work in tekken?
Characters have two states, standing and crouching, but when I go into training mode attacks are divided in high, medium and low.
Do you have to press nothing to block or does holding back work?

It possible to defend while in the middle of a combo?
Does the hit counter in Tekken work like Street fighter where you have no control while you're being attacked?

>>162518024
>>162518042
You are disgusting.

It's like playing an ugly race in Skyrim because their ability is invisibility or double damage over a beautiful race that has something stupid like poison resistance.

If you don't value looks over gameplay you are a cancerous esport babby and aren't playing games to have fun but rather to escape from bigger issues and need to stop playing games before they consume your soul.

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>>162517116
>What's next?

>>162514057
One can just use basic 1,2 pokes to win but that would work fo any fighting game out there, but a large moveset gives you options, depth, replayability, less predictability and a more customizable style.

See the difference?

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>>162518217
>Play a character that is ugly but fun
>You aren't playing games to have fun

>>162518137
lows you have to block low
mids you have to block high
highs you you either have to block high or crouch them, because they whiff on crouchers

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>>162517268

>people hate the two best friends now

What happened?

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>all these 16ers that like fat meme nu-birdie
truly disgusting

SFV was a mistake

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>>162518217
>playing skyrim

>>162518373
>Liking gay diaperfurries

>>162518424
>not playing skyrim

>>162518413
>liking this ugly afr*can amer*can character in first place
your opinion is invalid

>>162518413
kys retro hipster who doesn't play any of these he shills

>>162518413
If anything alpha Birdie is the meme Birdie.
Nobody gave a shit about Birdie till he became fat and all of a sudden everyone's crying about this terrible injustice done against this character nobody plays.

>>162518448
i'm not seeing liam in that pic anon

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>>162518413
SFV birdie is objectively a better design.

kys yourself

>>162518137
highs are blocked standing and whiff completely on crouchers.
mid attacks must be blocked standing because they will hit anyone in crouch and blocking.
lows must be blocked while crouching, as they will hit someone standing and blocking.

you cannot get out of a combo unless your opponent drops it. after most juggle combos, you can press a button right before hiting the ground to tech roll so you can recover quickly to standing.

>>162518546
I could whip your ass in Alpha, boy. Post your fightcade.

>>162518515
He is from Britain.

>>162518563
Thanks anon. Do you block holding back or not pressing anything?
I asked for combos because I remember someone saying combos in Tekken are not real combos. Or maybe it was "strings are not real strings".
Do concepts such as hit confirming work for tekken?

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