/domg/ - Dominions General

First for aboleth traps

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Second for your friendly neighbours, the elves

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Third for Diplomacy.

>>162500123
>>162500356
Well, if a vampire is 473/1250 years to reach old age, and the standard old age for a human is at 50 and we assume the same equivalent time frame for maturity rather than simply aging more slowly once reaching adulthood, then they're the equivalent of about 19 which, while young, is still physically mature.

Compare this to Pale Ones, which are in the range of 80/400 or the equivalent of 10 year olds if we make the same assumption about analogous development (which doesn't really apply, since we already know that pale ones do have a radically different life cycle).

Food for thought

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>when assassins and remote attacks kill everyone but your pretender, and he moonwalks through it all like a boss to destroy an enemy army with the troops he's personally leading

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>>162500123
Also Turns Out My Father Was Actually a Super-Combatant General Of The West Working For The Previous Pantokrator Who Sired Numerous Daughters With Her Who Have Now Somehow Fallen In Love With Me And All I've Gotten Out Of This Is The Old Equipment My Father Left Behind In a Shed After He Retired From Combatant Life For a Quiet Life In The Countryside But All I Want Is To Follow In His Farmer Footsteps.

>>162502570
Porking your half-sisters would be kinda incest-y, though. Although that's the kind of mythology Dominions is based on, so I guess it fits.

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Nobody even making small talk to keep the thread bumped?

I SURE AM LOOKING FORWARD TO 13 OR PURESKILL STARTING

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Chaos: Discuss.

>>162507870
These things take time

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>>162509019

>>162475721
Sure.

>>162516325
How would Burden of Time be more advantageous to R'lyeh than to Lemuria?

>>162516481

It's advantageous to both. Illithids live a long time.

>>162517129
But since it's Lemuria casting it, they get all the hate.

>>162517252
And R'lyeh has difficult time casting it themselves even though they're among the winners

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Bumping with crossbreeding experiment.

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Bumping with Caelum, removing ghosts and skeletons since before EA.

>>162519072
>>162519162
>>162519230
Did everybody decide to bump at the same time?

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>>162519302
no. i'm going to bed soon and thought that domg needed my ever relevant domg images

Don't use a /svg/ image you fucker I almost complained about Elena decks in here.

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What's an svg?

>>162479875

Everyone (or just one guy?) is making a big deal about the sacreds, but those are already starting to lose steam as research advances.

The real important question is, which nation has the most dangerous mages? Is there anything worth nothing? Shit like one turn recruitment RoS casters?

>>162520909
Shadowverse. It's basically hearthstone with anime tiddies.

And the home of the semen demon in the OP
>>162495689

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>EA
>18 provinces
>magic searched all of them with with 3 different 2x
>6 magic sites found

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>>162521627
Improve your skill

>>162521846
I'm actually pretty impressed at your gem spending.

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Lucky_Thirteen - only 2 players until game start.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=PureSkill - only 4 players until game start (though we can start with 2 more, whatever).

>>162523581
Is that nodiplo game mean that ingame messages are also not allowed, or is it only the diplo that involves malakal phoning your place of residence and asking questions about the last time the fire alarms had their batteries replaced?

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Why is this general using a Shadowverse image as the OP

>>162524359
Isn't she from Rage of Bahamut?

>>162524220
No diplo means no diplo at all. All you have is your scouting data and preconceptions about nation matchups. It's a pretty different kind of game, and I recommend trying it out at least once.

>>162524359
We just don't know

>>162524494
Same company owns them

>>162500123
Tell me about this game and why I'd play it?

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>>162524979
There's a lot of skeletons in it

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>>162524979
It's a war game where you can put up a second sun because the damn bats stole the first one. Multiplayer games heavily revolve around diplomacy, but the mechanics are opaque and you can always learn something new in the game. The devs forgot how they coded Fear auras. The best laid plans can be disrupted by the outbreak of a War in Hell that spills over onto the world. Pretty much every nation has some sort of end-game magic that will make the world a terrible place for your particular people to live.

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Entire armies can be taken down by traps using the right magic. A geared up giant mage can carve through nigh infinite numbers of mere soldiers, but get lit up or even enslaved by enemy mages. You can't trust elves, bats, birds, furries, or beastfolk, and you need to eliminate all blood nations and undead before they destroy the world.

>>162525494
>Implying Blood Magic will destroy the world
Typical liberal media bullshit, there is literally no evidence that Blood Magic has ever caused any lasting harm to the world.

>>162525173
>>162525289
>>162525494
Interesting, I will look more into this game then

>>162525606
>astralcorruption,gif

>>162525675
It's beneficial for the world, seeing as that insane mages can no longer summon deadly plagues, trick puddles into attacking innocent bystanders or cause Armageddon without repercussions.

>>162525675
>>162526096

Honestly the world is way better off without magic

>>162526279
t. Ulmite

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>take a throne
>oh boy I hope its something cool
>its the throne of bureaucracy

>>162532267
Bust have been a boring ass pankoman who made a throne of bureaucracy.

>>162526096
They also can't heal the wounded, cure the diseased, mend the broken and protect the planet from incoming meteors.

But yeah enjoy defending against the war from hell with pitchforks.

>>162534481
Disease healers can cure dudes without casting magic and dudes with sweet blesses and priests can still fuck up demons.

>>162534717
>Disease healers can cure dudes without casting magic

Not insanity or missing arms.

And bless is based on magic.

>>162534765
Lets be real, you arent going to get your arms grown back unless you are part of the gods army anyway so peasants and shit arent missing out on anything. And a bless might be based on magic but that doesnt mean magic needs to be cast. Your god doesnt even need to be around.

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>>162520957
>Who has the most dangerous mages?
>Which troops do I need to watch out for?
>Can a Reaver of Corruption reliably defeat a Star Sentinel?
I've done a pretty piss poor job at making those questions easy to answer.

Check the main page in a few for a link to a stripped down DM. You can use that in the inspector to easily see what the remaining nations have. Sometime in the future, I'll also have a link to something that'll let you easily get information on your neighbors and the map.

>>162535306
I can tell you all now my mages have A, W, N, and B. Mostly its B2 W/N1 but my big fellas can have 3 of one thing and 1 of the others or 1 of everything and 2 air.

Also I took Heat 3 instead of Cold 3 like a retard. Frost fiends arent that good anyway right?

>attack xibalba's province
>they moved their troops there at the same time or some shit so the empty province has troops now and I couldn't see it coming
>lose half my troops and a mage
>same turn earthquake kills 7000 people in my cap
> 24 troglodytes somehow kill 25 province defense, they are sieging me now and my walls are damaged
>By the time I recover from all this shit Xibalba will be knocking on my door with 200 men
All I've managed to do this turn is kill some enemy commanders thanks to demonbred wich I actually really like. And kill 48 bats at the cost of 22 units and a mage, wich was half my army
Other than that fuck this nation and fuck this game
My resources and income have been trash from the start despite having prod 3, maybe it's because i only have 4 neighboring provinces connected to my cap, or something. I don't see how my army could be bigger because I've already went close to 0 money multiple times. Classic 'this shit happened to me when I was noob so I won't pick this nation ever again'

>>162535703
Are you recruiting the dudes with the shields or the guys without them? What are your other scales like?

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>>162535624
>>162520957
>Vitamins
>Fishy fish
>Mage A B2W1
>Mage B B1N1A1 (Cap StR) (+200% ABNW) (+10% ABNW)

>Zim
>Pygs and Bulls
>Mage C N2
>Mage D N2 (Cap StR) (+200% ANS)

Is there much else you might need? If I skip anything involving troops, I can shit out ten of these without too much trouble.

>>162536228
I also have a guy who is just B2 but fuck him because hes only a little cheaper than the B2 W1/N1 guys.

>>162535703

Troglodytes are top tier tramplers with piles of hp. They will fairly easily kill 25 PD of any nation. Sounds like you didn't expand particularly well if you're having extreme money issues, and fighting bats is about baiting them with shield-men and fire elementals and burning them to shit once their lances are spent. Abysia is probably one of the weaker nations in the game, not for the faint of heart.

>>162536372
They are badass at expansion though.

Abysia 2h file received
Ermor 2h file received
>Nazca Waiting for 2h file
R'lyeh 2h file received
Sceleria 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received

NAZCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Nigger staled last turn too.

>>162536372
>Sounds like you didn't expand particularly well if you're having extreme money issues
I did not and while that is no doubt due to mistakes in my decisions, I cannot recruit past 0 money and resources
Like I could maybe recruit 6 men every turn with what I had, and like I said my cap only had 4 provinces connected
'least i got em fireball spells though :')

>>162536039
I am recruiting both
Don't bully me for my scales remember it's a noob game
They are 3 prod, 1 growth 1 luck.

>>162536727
>no order
Order is your big money maker. You dont really need too many guys as abysia anyway. Your guys will walk through indies. 15ish guys should take out most indy provinces without too much bother.

>>162536323
Does the format work?
Is it easy to understand that +200% means +2 in a path?

>>162536420

They're slow at expansion compared to many nations. You need a big pile of them to conquer provinces, even if you can do so reliably once you have that pile, and they are high in res-cost. They are 'badass' at expansion only if you are terrible at expansion and don't understand arrow baiting etc.

>>162536727

Fireball isn't a great spell. Abysia is actually worse at fireball than nations with Wind Guide or Eagle Eyes, or with fireballs that don't cost huge piles of gold each for extraneous crap you don't care about. Generally fire elementals are a better choice, you can mix them with infantry more easily due to fire resistance, and they offer more bang for your mage buck, at a ruinous cost in gems you should have a lot of.

Prod is less important for abysia than for many other heavy infantry nations because all your shit costs so much you can't afford the extra infantry your res could let you buy. The game I won as MA Aby I took a dormant focused rainbow to make soul contracts, money scales, a bit of prod to help expansion, and misfortune.

>>162537476
It works. I think I see something like "2(ABNW)" more, but it doesn't really matter.

>>162537551
>They're slow at expansion compared to many nations.
Mate I'm abysia in a game now and I've taken 11 provinces with my starting army alone. And they are about to take another this turn.

>>162537747
And they would have taken more but I had to double back for a couple turns.

>>162537747

That's great. You got really, really, really lucky that your starting army didn't get cut off by other nations and that there's still places to expand to by turn 11 (or later?) or you're on a hugemap, or you're playing SP. That's not good advice to give to people that they can rely on super luck or SP-levels of empty space in MP games.

4 Vans with w9 can sail, stealth, and take out just as much or more than Abysians can. Or one turn's worth of vanhere. That's a great expansion. If Abysian expansion runs headfirst into an expander pretender or a nation's army that can kill it (giants for example), or it turns out there were 20 heavy cavalry in that province not the 3-4 you thought, they are totally fucked. If they get cut off, it takes turns of marching slowly to get to another expansion frontier. It takes 4+ turns to build enough troops for even a weak expansion party. They have no flexibility of expansion and not great expansion speed.

I'll need a 24h extension in following games:
VirginDisciples
Latus3 (though I think its admin is dead, so whatever)
CanIntoHost
ChroniclesEA

Illuminati on the upper floor cast Vengeful Water and my flat was attacked by a size 6 water elemental. I might need to buy a new PC now.

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>>162538135
Abysia's starting army can kill 20 heavy cav with 3 losses. Let me just see exactly how many heavy cavalry it takes to kill them.

FUCKING YS AND THEIR HORSES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>162500123
thought this was the shadowverse general, real disappointment

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>>162540319
30 heavy cavalry with 11 losses

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>>162540513
40 heavy cavalry with 15 losses. I should point out neither side has any scripting whatsoever.

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>>162540736

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>>162540851
50 heavy cavalry is what it takes to kill Abysia's starting army with no scripting.

>>162540319
Meanwhile, TNN's starting army loses to almost everything 90% of times.

I'm not even mentioning Niefel/Jotunheim.

What's a good EA magic enhanced/summod nation to play for my first time with either of the mods?

>>162542603
Magic Enhanced spits on usual national balance and throws it out of the window. Try Abysia, for instance.

>>162538135
If 'many' nations do better than them, comparing them to a nation with moderate expansion would show that better than comparing them to nations which are solidly in the top 5.

Abysia has poor mobility on expansion parties, but they start off with an amazing army and their expansion parties can kill tough indies easily.

>If Abysian expansion runs headfirst into an expander pretender or a nation's army that can kill it (giants for example)
Abysian troops are scary. Pretenders will likely die after quickly falling asleep from heat aura. Giants will fare the same.

>LA Ulm
I want to play this cause WE WUZ VAMPIRES but
>these 'mages'
Like what the fuck how do I do anything magic related with this nation? Do I need a rainbow pretender to find sites?

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>>162524359
>vampire
>swimming

>>162544776
U w0t.

You meed B/D pretender for vamp counts, money scales, and that's it. Win early fights with evo 5-7 (cascade spam/iron shit/RoS), then go full blood mode (you'll have to bloodhunt with your pretender early probably) and summon infinite bloodhunters that summon infinite patrollers. Then empower your luminardi into S/B and go for AC end-game.

>>162524359
I was going to make a Vampire Lord edition but all the vampire pictures I found on google were depressing and scary so I thought to look for a cute vampire and here we are.

>>162544776
S1 can spam stellar cascades with Light of the Northern Star, Black Priests can cast Iron Blizzard. Both have few counters, and are devastating when deployed in large numbers. Those two will form the core of your spellcasting for early-midgame, while you work on getting into blood.

Your lategame is all vampires and horrors, so your national mages aren't going to be a big deal.

If you need diversity on top of horrors and vampires for lategame (you probably won't), you can forge crystal matrices to put non-astral mages into communions and have first-tier act as communion slaves to boost their level. That will give you acceptable combat access to every path but water.

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The frog demands sacrifices!
Or nature/death gems if you got any.
In exchange, Bloodstones.
Pricing is 35 blood slaves/20 nature gems/15 death gems per Bloodstone.

>>162536583
>game goes on sale
>noobs everywhere
>staling becomes rampant
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>162550367
>game is always on sale
>you bought it for full price
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>162539290

benis

>>162550367
If he goes stale again can we all agree to gangbang him?

>>162550614

I bought Dominions 3 for $80 and had it shipped to me halfway across the globe.

But hey I got a physical copy of the manual

>>162544686

Bull god in it's own dominion kills them. All tramplers do. Similarly, fear gods do it usually, depends on morale rolls. Avvite chariots kill abysians, avvite spearmen do it too. Anakites turn them into paste. Garmhirdings wreck them. Vans in tiny groups have trouble with them, but vanhere wreck them. Thed sacreds kill them. I've seen Heart Companions kill them.

They also pick up afflictions quite fast even when facing stuff that cannot kill them. A few battles in and they are much flimsier as half of them are missing arms or have chest wounds.

>>162543889

Abysia is better in ME but not overpowered, simply good. Fomoria and Xiblahblah and Ragha and Bery and shit are still better by a lot.

>>162540513

Try testing it with afflicted abysians. You'll find they perform significantly more poorly.


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Y'all bitches need to stop telling noobs to play a weak nation with serious flaws and nothing going for it but 'can kill indies without any thought or archer use'. Tell them to play strong nations, not weak ones. Noob-stomping is bad, m'kay.

>>162551527
Half of them have afflictions numbnuts, they just fought their way through successive waves of heavy cavalry. Why would you test them when they are crippled anyway? I'm not testing fomoria. How are they likely to bump into a bull in its own dominion while they are expanding?

Find me a single indy province that they cant take out that isnt full of mages or a throne and then we'll see if they are bad expanders.

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>>162550367

>>162552235

Considering if you're not a dumbfuck you'll generally send your expander god somewhere it's nearby presence has given it at least 1 candle, about as often as people take trampler expander gods, which is still fairly often given I see bulls and boars every game. And given your slow-ass abysians mean if you balk from every possible bump, you're going to have shit-all territory on most maps.

I've played a lot of Abysia. I've had abysian starting armies die to heavy cav, i've had them die to woodsmen, i've had them die to xbows, i've had them die to random cloud mages, i've had them die to elephants, i've had them die to horse tribe light lances, i've had them die to all kinds of shit. Even tribals. Slap enough afflictions on abysian and he pretty much is going to die to whatever.

>>162553067
Nigger I just went through a test showing how many heavy cav you need to kill them. How many other peoples starting armies have you seen that can walk face first into 40 heavy cav and win?
Oh no they lose a fight to a trampler pretender god, well no shit retard most things will with no support thats the whole point of them.
And what the hell are you doing that you lost anything to woodsmen?

>>162553509
I'm not 100% on this, but I think Lemuria's can do it too.

>get woken up at 4 in the morning by parents to go to the kruger national park
>ok but i'd rather stay home and play dominions
>oh well at least by the time I get to the camp there will be spam turns right
>get to the campsite 16 hours later, use phone as a wifi hotspot
>no turns
>literally no turns

you fuckers

>>162550367
>Tfw noob
>tfw can't find any games
reeeeeee

>>162554821
>current year
>living with your parents
pls

>>162557358
Hey, he could be underaged, or in college and on winter break.

>>162557358
Not him, but this is vacation-time as >>162557550 said, so people may be spending time with their families. I mean, I've graduated college but I'll still be a spending a bit more than a week at my parents' place.

>>162557550
He is living my dreams. I went trekking yesterday but got cockblocked by a tropical storm, my parents are thousands of miles away and I can only play dominion this vacations.

>>162557234
Stop being retarded

>>162523581
>>162523581
>>162523581

>>162557358

>not being a NEET

What's wrong with you?

>>162557961
PureSkill isn't really noob friendly

>>162557961
>LA
>no diplo
You should kys yourself

>>162558075
I'll kiss you, faggit

>>162558037
>being a NEET
I couldn't handle it. I've been leaching off my parents all my life and all I want now is my own job so I can get paid. Just got to wait until summer.

>>162558310

>unironically longing to be a wagecuck

Embarrassing tbqh

>>162558458
>not getting tons o cash for easy work that I can spend on dumb bullshit

Nazca, if you are here, do I need to find a sub for you?

>>162557550
Or he could live somewhere other than America, where living with your family isn't frowned upon.

>>162562107
fkn delusional NEET

>>162565297
Or an Italian. Basically the same thing.

>>162550367
I may be a noob but I make sure to send my turns in time
Unless sleeping for 9-10 hours counts as stalling. Not my fault most of you fags seem to be murrican and do your turns when I sleep

>>162565726
Staling is when you dont do your turn at all within the time limit.

>>162565624
Afaik here in Italy it is frowned upon, but yeah I guess not as much as other countries. It seems to be more common though
I 'still' live with them at 21 but honestly it's not like I could move out if I wanted to right now, unless I decided to live the beggar's life.

>>162566023
I saw a documentary on it once saying all your house prices are crazy expensive or something and thats why you all live at home.
At least you arent still living with them at 23 like me

>>162566184
In brazil is the same shit

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>>162566184
That's possible, even though I do not know the situation about that in other countries, so I can't compare
What I do know is that it can be hard to move out nowadays, because it's hard to find a job when you're so young. I think the % of young unemployed people here is 37% or so. Wich is pretty crazy

>At least you arent still living with them at 23 like me
It doesn't matter that much I think. Living with your parents doesn't make you a bad person or anything
Just don't let your dreams be dreams

pls join pureskill and 13

>>162567493
If they are still recruiting by Friday I'll join.

>>162567493
>nodiplo

Do fortune tellers stack? Like if I get 10 I will have 100% bad event prediction?

>>162565297
Housing market in my country is fuck

I am the main provider for my household but still living with parents.

Most of my friends are in same position, so nobody really has right to mock anybody else. Blame shitty economic climate.

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Good job op.

/domg/ - International ROBOT9001 + Shadowverse

>>162567973

Yes, and no, respectively.

You get ten 10% chances, not one 100%.

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>>162568357
That vampire is ILLEGAL, STOP RIGHT THERE SCUM
I play Shadowverse too, and Blood is my favorite craft so far, but they told me it's hot garbage in the General

Is it rude to join llama server games without knowing anyone? Where I can find info about those games? I mean, they don't say if they want noobs or experienced people etc

>>162569178
You can join pureskill and lucky_thirteen even if you're a noob. I will probably kill you fast though.

>>162569178
Its probably not a good idea. Between here and steam you can generally find all the games you need. z7.invisionfree.com as well.

>>162569082
Save your gold pal, it's gonna be strong as fuck in the expansion.

>>162569178
Nobody cares in /domg/ games, but games made by other communities require you to post there and make your "pick".

So just stick with games spammed in this thread if you want anonymity. Or if you don't like the current ones, start whining for other games and maybe someone will make one.

>>162570553

Or just make your own. I ended up as host for my own first PBEM game in here.

>>162553509

Yeah mang cause 30 healthy fullblood abysians is what every abysian player has to take provinces in every turn, at no point do you devolve to like 11 limping crippled abysians because their high strength and decent armour still takes hits from spears that cause afflictions, and that adds up over time. Your tests totally show the average abysian player's situation during his expansion, you fucking retard.

Woodsmen blowpipes shoot a paralyzing dart. If you don't have a full complement of abysians, and due to spacing they get off two volleys, they can gang-stab the remaining non-paralyzed limping abysians to death with their shitty daggers and move on to stab the paralyzed abysians to death as your warlord prophet flees. At that point you're mostly hoping the shortbows of their friends will kill them.

The fact is I see really tiny abysias in a lot of domg games like the one dead in Bob on turn 11 or w/e, and it's cause of armchair shitcrafters like yourself who expand in SP and then go 'lol so easy'.

>>162571265
I am total shit at expansion as everyone but Abysia. Any multiplayer game I have ever played I expanded easily with hardly any setbacks beyond the odd province with 3 air mages in it. I generally get my shit wrecked then because I'm playing Abysia but saying they are bad at expansion is just stupid.

>>162571265
That's the starting army. It takes attrition. Abysia builds more units to continue expansion. Depending on their build, they might make blessed burning ones. They might continue using non-sacred heavy infantry.

Abysia is a weak nation. Expansion is not one of its weaknesses.

>>162571265

You can't really count Bob Abysia. He got Ragha'd.

>>162571960
And humanbreeds arent as good as regular abysians.

>>162572104
Warbreds can expand reasonably well if you use a prod 3 build. They take losses and get afflicted and all that bad stuff, but they can weather some crossbow fire and chop up heavy cav just fine.

>>162571265
Also most of them were not healthy what with having to fight through the previous waves of heavy cav.

>>162567941
Malakal plz go

>>162573585
Who the fuck is this guy you people keep repeating every post?
t.noob that bought ths game on sale

>>162568423
reeeee normalfags etc.

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>>162573746
>pedophiles are normal now

>>162573712

He's a Diplomancer.

Notable primarily for his habit of asking people to jump in Steam chat.

>>162571049
I probably host at least 30% of all games on /domg/ these days.
And if you think you know who I am I can almost guarantee that you don't.

>>162573856
It's not pedophilia if she's 400 years old

>>162574008
I recognize the games that you host by the sorts of images you use, but I also don't know who you are.

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I just want you /svg/ guys to know I decided to try the game out because of the discussion here.

>>162574512
Same but less "discussion" and more "fluid druid."

>>162574512

>There's no rule that says a Marble Oracle CAN'T play Basketball

>>162574847
They never grow tired. They never foul. They never trip. They cannot be impeded.

>>162571265
Abysia arguably the best starting army in the game but I'm inclined to go with this one. Their expansion by large is average-ish or worse, or for the very least extremely reliant on getting high production provinces adjacent to your capital for it to be above-average. It's simple to use and nothing much can go horribly wrong but I tend to find myself expanding faster with more than half of the nations, and since Abysia can't deploy new expansion parties to the front lines quickly or reroute the older ones once they encounter opposition, they're very unlikely to get exceptional expansion that more mobile nations may enjoy.

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>>162574134
>400 years old
>he didn't invest 390 blood slaves into rejuvenation casts to keep his loli young
Do you like old crones or something?

>>162575250
Why not just use one of those 390?

>>162573856
Goddamnit, 4chan will make me like lolis on a sexual level some day I just fucking know it. The posting in general + now I'm playing shadowverse. Goddamnit guys

>>162575354
>Fucking living breathing things
What next, eating live animals?

>>162573712

He's someone the diplomancers pretend is a diplomancer, so they can diplomance without being called diplomancers

>>162575250
I meant a loli who has physically existed in a youthful appearing state for 400 years, not some withered old mummy.
baaaaka

>>162576437

but then where is the naivety and innocence, it's just a centuries old monster intelligence putting on a show to lure in foolish wizards

>>162573712
In short he's a very trustworthy individual who is slandered endlessly on this board.
Remember, if he ever tries to get you to attack someone he only has your best interests in mind =)

>>162576619
t. Malakal

>>162576619

t. non-malakal diplomancers

>>162576767

t. malakal

>>162573712
He's a polish lawyer/plumber diplomat/tactician. A pillar of the /domg/ community.

>>162566531

Ahaha. 21?

Wait until you are 30 or something. Majority of my relatives can't afford to get out, the oldest one managed to get a house with his soon-to-be-wife at the ripe age of 35. I could sperg a ton how Italy has a peculiar societal model (a rather conservative one, living with one's own family for a long time is typical of pre-WW2 societies and we merely kept the tradition). Anglos and Northeners value theoretical indipendence before financial security, thus the difference.

Don't worry, the situation does not get better when you get older: I hope you got a job in tech. Get a job in tech. Trust me. Don't go Law, Med School or god forbid anything else.

Tech.

>>162576619
=)

>>162577078
I didn't get a job yet. That's also a problem because it means it's harder for me to get one etc
Cosa intendi per Tech? Cioè so cosa vuol dire Tech ma non so il contesto lavorativo in italiano di Tech

>>162544797
WoD says fuck you.

Best EA Magic Enhanced nation?

>>162580025
I don't know about the best because the near-crippling weaknesses are still there (Summod+ME might be better) but Abysia is far stronger than they are in the base game, with summonable big mages/SCs and troops, absurd F/E income from rituals (generation of +3F and +1FE sites in your dominion, making income from Eternal Pyre seem like chump change) and fire magic in general being stronger.

>>162580649
<3 Thank you kindly.

With all this shadowverse posting what Dominions nations do you think best fit each of the classes in shadowverse?
Hard Mode: All of the nations have to be the same age.

>>162580025
EA C'tis
Two extra attack on snek dancers, baby.

>>162582410
EA C'tis gives a way bigger buff in the form of their supersummons.

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MokouIsHot Abysia, this is your third strike. You're out.
Any noob interested in subbing in? The nation is LA Abysia and the position is probably salvageable given all his neighbors are also noobs. I'll take a picture of his holdings ingame in a few minutes.

>>162500123
Saw Vampy-chan and clicked on the thread by impulse.
Took me a moment to realize I was in the wrong thread.
If the goal was to bring more people to this general then you succeded, at least for this thread.
Now tell me more, what is this game (looks like a 4X or a grand strategy from what I can see) and why should I care?

>>162582754
Oh nevermind for some reason I thought we were talking about summod

>>162582949
Actually, it looks like my scout between Gath and Abysia is dead. Can anyone who sees that region (Duvan, Donnermark, the throne) let us know how many provinces he has left? He might be totally fucked at this point, in which case I'd like some volunteer to set him AI.

>>162582754
Which ones?

>>162583103
4x war game with mythological themes.

>>162583741
How does it compare with Fallen Enchantress or Age of Wonders III?

>>162583103
It's a bit more like grand strategy I suppose. It's like 4x in that your goal is to fuck over the other players but the basic setup (provinces, very little infrastructure management) is more like grand strategy. The battles are far more complex and deeper, the only thing that I can think of that comes closest is total war and total war does not come close. It's also different since the battles are turn-based, heavily influenced by spells (after the early game) and you have to plan our your tactics ahead of time.

The game is most notable for being the deepest competitive strategy game that exists, in terms of gameplay. Note the line in the OP:
>over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items.
Every game as balance concerns, but most of these have a situation where you would want to use them. And this is a game with several dozen nations, each with a different unit roster, different access to magic, and different strategies.

>>162584082
Totally different. The only research is magic. Magic varies from buff spells to skeleton summoning to literally snuffing out the sun. Turns are resolved simultaneously, as in Diplomacy, with battles being planned out in advance. Troops and mages follow preset scripts.

The game is very complicated, and a lot of its complication is fractally weird, if that makes sense, with little details popping up as you explore the mechanics of the game.

>>162583103
It's a turn based strategy about gods wanting to murder each other to become head god

>>162584387
>>162584573
Can you play solo or will I have to shill my friend to buy this game to play with me?
It's currently on sale on steam so depending on your answer I may buy it now or later.

>>162585029
You can play it solo but it's not that much better than a normal strategy game that way, because the AI doesn't really make you think. Still worth the price on sale.

You don't need a friend to play it online, we have games regularly. There's usually several going on at once, since they take around three months to resolve usually.

>>162585029
You can dick around in single player but the AI isn't too much of a challenge once you get a hang of it. There's an enormous amount of content though so you can scratch it for a few months before you even hit multiplayer.
Even then, nothing beats the weird emergent stories that happen in multiplayer

>>162583103
It's definitely niche, but the people who like it commonly exceed 1500 hours.

>>162585119
>the AI doesn't really make you think
The AI's strategies don't, but there's still a lot of thinking that does into playing the game anyway, especially when you're new to it.

>>162585119
>>162585168
Thanks for the answer. Will get

>since they take around three months to resolve usually
That's really fucking long.

>>162585680
That's because the games usually play out at about 1 turn a day, faster in the beginning, slower in the end. If you want to play faster, direct-connection blitzes are frequently hosted in the steam group.

>>162585680
That's at one turn per day. It's also possible to do a blitz, where you spend maybe fifteen minutes per turn, but that will eat up your whole weekend, and they usually end because people don't have time to continue rather than because someone wins. Occasionally the stars will align and you'll get a normal (play by email) game where there's regularly two or more turns per day, but don't count on it.

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>>162585029

Let me tell you a story anon.

I started out as a tiny nation of Men, Knights, and Witches sandwiched between monkeys and their sacred divine-dancers and the fuckin' Frost Giants, a mountain range, and the ocean. I built my tiny empire, and there was peace. then the frost giants invaded, their flaming pigs (the Glosos) leading the way, a strange use for their death gems but who am I to argue. I was initially pushed back, my longbowmen having little effect on the giants and tough-hided fire-pigs, but I rallied when I hit Alteration 4, and every Crone left the tower to spam the mightiest of spells - Swarm. Each nature gem became 20 tiny biting bugs, and the Jotun hordes were devoured. I swept across them like a tide (of bugs) but Jotuns got behind my lines, and too few mages were left in the homeland to withstand them - the Capital was threatened, and I was forced to withdraw. And then fight my across him once again at a ruinous cost in gems (and bugs).

I unlocked a mightier bug summoning spell.

This is when the fine nation of Marignon, with their Much Better Knights and Fire Magic decided to invade me, the player for some reason having ignored the Fire magic (and his crossbowmen, and his angels) and decided to concentrate solely on making as many knights as humanly possible and giving them a blessing from his god. There was.. a lot of knights.

Luckily, Enough Bugs > Knights, so again many mages many gems many bugs, knights being eaten by bugs, mages making the knight's armour rusty so they could be eaten by bugs, and some minor archery, and slowly, oh so slowly, I pushed out over marignon.

In the north, the nation of Ermor, where undead rise from the ground itself to answer the call of war, had slowly fallen to the cunning ploys of C'tis (death magic using egyptian lizards) and Abysia (lava men with a persian theme who use blood magic alongside their native fire) in a horrifying reversal.

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>>162583103
>4X or a grand strategy
Grand strategical component isn't present as a gameplay mechanic (although diplomacy is a crucial component in multiplayer) and it's 4X only through a huge stretch. Dominions would be best described as strategic-tactical fantasy wargame because that is where its style and mechanics can be traced back to. Turns are simultaneous (there's also no direct control over battles but you can deploy your forces and give them scripted orders, with replay being available the next turn), which contributes to its excellent suitability for MP, particularly in PBEM format.

As for why you should care, the most obvious feature is extraordinary amount of content (almost a hundred factions, a thousand spells, 3k units etc) and options. One can argue about whether or not Dominions is deep or just vast, but you can pull off insane stuff like effectively wishing for more wishes (there's a global enchantment called Arcane Nexus that converts all used gems to astral pearls that can be used to cast Wish, allowing you to wish for gems and get enough astral pearls to wish for more gems), summoning an infinity of skeletons or blessing your sacred warriors and buffing them with spells so as to make them near unstoppable, only to have an undead titan broken free from Tartarus dropped on top of them, equipped with magical artifacts countering your one-dimensional army.

Worldbuilding is another. It's one thing to have epic clashes between Spanish Inquisition, undead Romans, Zoroastrian birdmen, the Aztecs and R'lyeh, but it's not just a mindless battle royal between tropes but the game actually features very well thought out and consistent world (despite gods literally walking amongst men) with deep mythological references and mechanics closely tied to the lore (an example I like to use is Heart Companions, inspired by Sacred Band of Thebes, literally being gay in terms of gameplay mechanics).

>>162585976
>>162585880
Tfw no blitz into pbem games

>>162586097
>>162585989
>>162585880
>>162585976
Again, thanks for the answer.
Tell whoever made the OP he's a genius.

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I spend all my astral gems on vampire support group.

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>>162585989

These two nations, fearing my now-vast size, quickly invaded me through chokepoints denuded of living population (and therefore, life-giving supply) by the Ashen Empire of Ermor (before it had been defeated by the two of them), their starving armies meeting my God, every mage I could scrape up, and hundreds of independent icthytids, fish-mans somewhat like beefy kuo-toa, who I had been recruiting from the indie populations locally.

Throwing back the initial Abysian foray, a much larger force of their powerful summons and crossbred units formed up outside the 'dead zone', a picket line of Elemental Kings of Earth and Balrogs forming a line of death my armies could not cross (my mages having no answer to their horrifying toughness, and my troops skittering off them like water on a hot griddle).

Meanwhile, I invaded C'tis along another route, with the armies I had had in Marignon turning around and slow-marching their way north to try to turn the tide, as mages dropped like flies to Abysian demon attacks and C'tissian assassins, denuding the north of mages.

Luckily the armies from the south arrived just in time, reinforcing the 'front' as this grueling war of atttrition had now become, with C'tis feinting from the sea and Abysia playing footsie with my many traps I laid hoping he would walk his big ol' army into them (sadly he did not).

Tides of Men, Witches, Icthytids, Soulless (zombies), and the occasional Knight, just hurling themselves with varying tactics against C'tissian skeleton hordes and Abysian Elemental Kings, pouring against them like a wave.

That's where i'm at currently. Game is like a month and a half old, a turn a day initially, and now a turn every 2. The scripting is killing me. It actually hurts to open a new turn. But the pain is a good pain. The dominions is overtaking me.

>>162500123
An anon asked me to tell you that you are a fucking genius

>>162585168

>emergent multiplayer stories

See: the ongoing feud over Marignon killing Vanheim's dog.

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>>162586806

>see these arrows
>they all mean something anon
>THEY ALL MEAN SOMETHING

>>162587260
>That pretender
>All those indies

Jesus fucking christ, I appreciate the story, but holy fuck that's a sub-optimal pretender.

>>162587715

It presumably died once? E4A4 is pretty decent on an expander if you've sacred casters. I cannot recall if Man has sacred casters.

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>>162587715

Putting A5 on the boar? Yep. Intentionally so. He's died twice. Original job was to forge boosters for crones (because they only come in fucking a3 rarely and you need more than that), and also expand, because this is a 200% gold 100% res game, which shafts Man expansion even harder than normal.

And if you think the indies/soulless are a bad idea, try using Man national troops for literally fucking anything. The ringmail-wearing fuckers are awful. 7g zotz siege chaff, high-hp + net + spear icthytids, and carrion reanimated soulless, all seem great comparatively.

>>162588080
>>162588008
Fair point.

>>162587260
What map is this? I really like how it looks.

>>162589402
Leaking Land. It's a dope map. I have fond memories on it too.

>>162586790
>summon allies
>not summoning
How did you get into a situation where the gems were worth more than the speed?

Is there anything worse than being an ordinary person in dominions land?
>ruled by bat people who take your daughter to be sacrificed
>still have to pay them taxes
>conscripted into PD, watch your buddies get ripped apart by some elf asshole with a frostbrand
>bat overlords took the sun and everything is pitch black now and you keep stubbing your toes on things
>wife ran off with a magic goat man
>you aged 30 years in a single month for some reason
>despite everything, you are still expected to fumble your way to temple every week so you can sing hymns in praise of your terrifying bat god

>>162591197
But that's absolutely normal situation with vampire lords.

You don't summon vampires directly, you snowball the vampire lords into 50+ vampires per turn deathball that's basically impossible to invade into and starts to flood outside sooner or later.

It's not even expensive either, considering summoning 2-3 vampire lords per turn is easy with a midgame blood economy for most blood nations, you have enough left for demon armies and B3D3 immortal flying stealthy casters have a value of their own and are very easy to mobilize.
10-15 turns is usually all it takes to get unlimited vampire corps, both mage and troop.


Other than that, it's natgen and a corner case of retarded game balance where all the mechanics break up. I'm summoning 150~ vampires per turn.

>>162591916
Yeah, if you have the time for it you do. When do you ever need a deathball of vampires a long time from when you get the vampires, though?
>10-15 turns
If a year doesn't matter, your strategy is fucked.

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>>162591441
It'll all be better when the One True God ascends to his heavenly throne and rewrites the tablets of destiny. Surely he'll reward his chosen people and generals that served him. He'll certainly not sacrifice his people by the millions to seal his trapped enemies underground or banish his generals in the void just because they've outlived their usefulness.

>>162592003
I don't think vampires (the regular guys) are worth summoning desu. I love the vamp lords as leaders for demon hordes on account of their magic, but don't really see the point to the piddly little guys

>>162592130
>flying
>immortal
>no point
Are you daft?

>>162592224
Well, I'd rather have the equivalent slave count in fiends of darkness, for instance, and they're on a whole lower tier than demon knights or storm demons

>>162592315
Sounds like a yes.

>>162592412
I don't really value immortality when it's not on something that's going to do significant damage when dying, like a WoD/RoS caster or a pretender.

>>162592003
>When do you ever need a deathball of vampires a long time from when you get the vampires, though?
Always if you are planning for lategame.
>If a year doesn't matter
Why are you pretending that nothing happens in a year?
You get a lot of firepower during its duration that can be mobilized at any point.
The strategy is no different than soul contracts except all the stuff you get is immortal aka reusable.

>>162592130
Vampires are extremely good. Their attack is nontype magic armor penetrating. They rip a lot of things to pieces.

Immortality is also broken.
Even anti siege force they are retarded because you cant bomb them into oblivion like you can beast bats, they just come back next turn.
>>162592224
Stealth too.

>>162592551
It doesn't matter much if it does a lot when it has flying so it can do a bit every single turn.

>>162592003

>When do you ever need a deathball of vampires a long time from when you get the vampires, though?

When your opponents are really shit? The whole 'spend shittons of slaves to be irrelevant with units that can't leave your ever-shrinking dominion' plan has never made sense to me either.

>>162593129
>ever-shrinking
I found the flaw in your thinking. It;s a strategy that also requires you to have temples.

That said, if you can't see the utility in taking land and expanding while avoiding enemies, then having a ball of killy shit that doesn't die to deal with any attempts to make you pay for your behavior, you're a fool.

>>162593129
Bloodnations often can dompush and immortal flying force securing borders allows you to dump the other troops towards enemy. Besides vampire lords are simply good by themselves.

>units that can't leave your ever-shrinking dominion
Given their invulnerability and resistances they can be easily used for raiding if you feel that way.

I've grinded a few games with vamps over the years and at this point consider them one of the more broken units in the game.
Situational though, in a game of 8 players or less i'd go for a more traditional demon spam and earlier victory.

>>162593773
>vampire lords are simply good by themselves.
I agree with this, actually. I can just usually find better uses for their time than making the vamps and better uses of blood slaves than summoning them is all.

>>162583546
Non-noob here, I could check his holdings and report back.

>shadowverse is a mobile game
welp, there goes that

>>162594090
It's also available on Steam.

>>162588080
>all seem great comparatively
What about Logrian Warriors and Foresters?

>>162592551
Vampires do a ton, though.

They rip apart almost everything without even needing buffs.

>>162593773
>at this point consider them one of the more broken units in the game
I agree with this.

Once you get a proper group of vampires up, you become even harder to invade than lategame lemuria.

>>162593352

>spending huge numbers of slaves on dozens of vampire lords to slowly summon vampires
>only defending your own dominion with that massive investment not expanding
>having more temples than other people

????

>>162595245
>can protect your own temples with vampires
>can destroy enemy temples with raids
>having less temples than other people
???

>>162595153

Logrians are terrible and foresters wear leather and are armed with super short weapons.

>>162593978
That's fair. What's your mail?

>>162583103
Turn based strategy in it's most classic form. There are few if any 4x or grand strategy elements, and little to no diplomacy functionality. Actually that's a lie, there's diplomacy, but since there's no peaceful victory condition and only one person can actually win the game, everybody at the table has a gun on everybody else while the discussion is happening.

>>162595409

>enemy temples
>in your dominion to be raided by vampires
>not having already won when you can dompush that hard so trivially

?????

>using your vampires to protect your backline temples instead of this aggressive border protection you're apparently doing
>having twice as many vampires as you initally claimed to do both these things at once
>not a wank strategy used by people who have already won

??????

>>162595459
[email protected]

Do you want me to post my findings in the thread, or would you rather I talk about it with you on steam privately?

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>>162585989
If we're showcasing games, here's one of my earliest screenshots from the dom4 era.

Cthulhu vs Olm Miscegenation

I lost

>>162595609
I'm one of his neighbors, so it wouldn't be fair to give me an advantage that way. Do it publicly.

>>162593129
Vamps are legit because you can just hurl them at invading armies over and over again and kill everything via attrition. If you've never tried to attack into a vampire deathstar, you won't understand why that shit is the absolute worst.

>>162595571
>raided by vampires
Presumably they're not the only units in your entire nation. Although vampires can go out of your dominion if they need to, and if a province isn't heavily defended there's not much cost to it.

>backline temples
You should probably be putting temples near your front lines as much as you can.

>having twice as many vampires as you initially claimed
Nobody has been talking in hard numbers from the get-go. But doing multiple things is pretty easy to vampires, since they're flying and immortal. It's not like every single thing needs to be done every single turn.

>people who have already won
There's no such thing as having already won until the game is over. Having vampires means you pretty much can't lose, and are very unlikely to see major losses. That's a strength regardless of where you are in any sort of rankings. But... You do know that there's a possibility in between "clearly and incontrovertibly losing" and "clearly and incontrovertibly winning", right? And in fact this is the state that most of the game plays out in?

>>162595771
Do you have a download for better arena? The only link I can find goes to http://dom4archive.kermodebear.org, which isn't responding.

>>162596153
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-jNQgOwI-Q_Z2VSZGpSVlZkX2s/view

>>162596260
Abysia is currently down to 6 provinces, 2 forts. One fort is under siege by a weak indie army, which should be easy to remove. He has good income for his size.

Scales look alright (full order/growth, 2 prod), only odd thing is he took drain 1.

He has a large number of troops, mainly indie crossbows, and a small force of mages. Research is a bit slow (likely due to drain plus small nation), but he's gone for smart research goals and has enough gems and research to deploy mage support immediately.

He's in a bad position, but I think a smart player could turn it around with good diplomacy and a bit of luck.

>>162596123

>there's no such thing as having won

Tell that to the guy snowballing while you're off in your personal vampire fortress.

>every thing every turn

You kinda do, though, unless you can out-predict your opponent. At which point, it's not that vampires are good, it's that you are better at the game than them, and could be doing that with storm demons or whatever.

>frontline temples

The entire point of having vamps is if an enemy force breaks into your dominion your vamps can 'come back for nuvver go'. If you can reliably keep them out of your frontline and don't need several vamptraps to stop them, why are you vamping, again? Why not just use..non-immortal, cheaper, better stuff?

>>162596075

I've attacked into a lot of nations that hurled vamps at me each turn and it did very little. The only time vamps have actually stopped me, it was a desperation attack when I was being hit by every other neighbour and couldn't put much force behind it. For the slavecost in vampire lords they could have used any other type of demon that they had the paths for and kicked my shit in regardless.

Overall vamps strike me as one of those things that certain players have used to great effect when diplomacy/other factors caused them to need a specific kind of defensive advantage, and it stomps noobs, so people decided it was great. If your shit is properly mage supported, any reasonable slavecost in vamplords is not going to bother you much. If you vastly outcost your enemy in vampire lords and field more cost in vamplords than they have in their entire army, then that's not that 'vamplords are good', it's that you outcosted your enemy and therefore have a massive resource advantage.

>>162597616
>having a personal vampire fortress
>not snowballing
You've clearly not experienced this in-game.

>If you can reliably keep them out of your frontline, why are you vamping, again? To keep them out of your frontline.
>Why not just use..non-immortal, cheaper, better stuff?
Because immortal isn't a negligible asset.

>vamplords
That... That's not what we're talking about.

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>>162597501
Thanks. Not AI then, at least for now. Let's see if anyone is up for the challenge.

Noobs, scrubs, countrymen, lend me your ears!
We need a sub for MokouIsHot, LA Abysia. He's been staling without notice for a while but he's not totally fucked. We're only on turn 23, so if you're inexperienced but gutsy, you can make this nation yours.
Reply to this message with your email if you're up for it, first come first served. This is a noob game so don't be afraid to join.

>>162500731
>festering trumps

>>162598351
Also, note to players of MokouIsHot - I extended the host deadline for this turn by 24h in the hopes that we can find a new player for Abysia. I don't want to wait forever, but at the very least, let's give it a day.

>>162597616
>cheaper, better stuff
>it's that you outcosted your enemy and therefore have a massive resource advantage.

As far as better/cheaper goes, vampires are probably the most cost effective unit in the game.
They don't outcost, they outvalue and by nature are extremely good at dragging the game out to outvalue harder.

>>162595441
>Logrians are terrible
So are ichtyids. Logrians at least hit hard and have moderate protection. All ichtyids have going for them are their nets, and you're not fighting troops which nets are good against.

>foresters wear leather
That's still better protection than ichtyids, and once you get protection buffs it won't matter.

>armed with super short weapons
Is that really a big deal to you?

>>162599780
>So are ichtyids.
You better take that back!

>>162600436
Never! Ichtyids are a trap, and I'm sick of people falling for it.

They have terrible stats, no armor, and a shitty weapon.

>>162601117
But they have good HP and are amphibious. If you're gonna recruit underwater indies anyway, they're not a bad choice.

>>162601416
>good HP
Good hp with no protection or defense is useless. They die in 2 rounds against standard humans.

>are amphibious
If you're fighting on land, you should not be using indies, especially not underwater indies.

so, does the all nation in an unique age mod exists?

>>162597963

You're literally talking about length fucking zero attack shitty regular vampires and not the d3b3 sexy vamplords? And you actually have the balls to say I 'haven't experienced it in game', wow.

I guess enjoy stomping noobs games bud.

>>162598997

Again if you're referring to vampire-the-unit, it loses against anything that isn't a shitty spearman.

If you mean the vampire lord, it relies on the enemy not having a counter to rigor + skeletons, or it's support lfal/sblast caster in battles ONLY in your dominion, which isn't great for a big pile of slaves. I'd prefer to have 15 demon knights or whatever the equivalent is, or more slaves to feed to the sabbaths.

The big use of them, to me, is in endgame to provide very specific blood spells as a nation with no national blood. Rush of Strength, Rain of Blood, and Life For a Life are all worth expending the time and effort of getting vampire lords in order to cast them when you otherwise couldn't. And you don't give fucks about dominion you take those puppies right into enemy dominion so you can headshot their fat caster with LfaL or drop Rain to aid your morale strat or whatever

>>162602886
From experience, they're better than anything MA Atlantis gets.
Which isn't to call them good, just to say how utter shit MA Atlantis units are.

>>162599780
>>162602886

Icthytids take buffs better, especially army of lead/gold that i'm casting ubiquitously. They also don't burn themselves to death on fireshield which is on half of all units I fight, like foresters and to a lesser extent logrians. They have more HP so I can more safely RoS my own troops with just Fog Warriors up and no Army yet, aka first-turn RoS because I need an epower to get Army on (no blood stones).

They are excellent for drawing evo fire away from far more expensive knights, who I need because they hit harder than all other troops I have access to. Their nets tie down stupid shit with great defense that i'm fighting in the form of Children of the X and abysian special crossbreeding crap, also turbokills magmachildren. Their stone spears don't BREAK when I cast Ironbane, which I do, a lot. They aren't wearing armour which BREAKS when I cast ironbane.

They cost 2 res, and i'm producing at rescap, in all provinces, all the time. They go underwater.

Icthytids are competitive normally with crappy troops on nations, but in this scenario, they are entirely invaluable.

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>>162598351
>>162598693
Hello I am willing to sub for MokuoIsHot Abysia even though I have never ever played that nation before

>>162605892
I do no want to reveal my email so have my Steam instead
http://steamcommunity.com/id/salvadelilah/

>>162606018
I need your email to change Abysia to you on llamaserver. Let me fire up Steam.

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It's done. Thanks!
You have an excessive amount of time to do the turn because I extended. Hopefully nobody stales this one.

>>162607469
how tparticipate gaem

>>162607718
I requested a turn resend for you, so you should have gotten Abysia turn 23 from llama. Save it in your savegames folder (in a folder MokouIsHot). Play the turn, then email [email protected] the .2h file that appears in that folder once you hit End Turn.

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>>162604615
>length fucking zero attack
>it loses against anything that isn't a shitty spearman.
A unit with 25 invulnerability, regeneration, lifedrain and resistances loses to anything that isn't a shitty spearmen.
Unironically talking about length as their downside got me the most.
I feel like you've never seen them in action or even looked at their statline. Vampires rip things to shreds and are dangerous even to tarts in lategame.
Here's an example from current turn. Seraph has base 26 protection. It was lucky to get away with 5 hp after a single turn. 0 cost invested in defense.
They don't give a shit about protection, they don't give a shit about blindness unlike other demons.
Nontype, armorpiercing, magic. They very often hit harder than demons which cant ignore armor with the same efficiency.
The exception being lifeless troops.

And i'm talking about both vampire lords and vampires when I talk value. Vampire lord is a soul contract on legs.
The choice isn't 1 vampire lord or 15 demons, it's 1 vampire lord +10-20-30 vampires vs 15 demons. Multiply it by however many times you get to reuse vampires.
The longer game goes the more value it provides and like with soul contracts it snowballs extremely hard with numbers and time but in general it starts to pay off pretty fast.


>The big use of them, to me, is in endgame to provide very specific blood spells as a nation with no national blood.
Those are natural uses, but you are simply underusing vampire lords if you aren't producing vampires with them.

Either way, Natgen has long outlived demons as a useable troop type outside of underwater but vampires are still useful. Not that it's anything but a complete meme game at this point, but that's enough to validate their value to me.

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Dont die.

>>162611464
You don't get to tell me what to do.

>>162611767
You keep this up young man and you won't be eating chicken tendies for dinner.

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That's a very...innovative pretender, Mokou TC

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>>162604798
>From experience, they're better than anything MA Atlantis gets.
My testing says otherwise.

>>162604979
>Icthytids take buffs better, especially army of lead/gold that i'm casting ubiquitously.
Ichtyids end up with lower protection under ironskin - 20 protection vs 24 for foresters and 26 for logrians. Foresters also get much better benefit from offensive buffs like strength and quickness.

>They also don't burn themselves to death on fireshield which is on half of all units I fight, like foresters and to a lesser extent logrians.
Fire shield should be irrelevant with army of gold regardless of weapon length. It's 3 AP damage, minus weapon length, against 20+ protection. The chance of it damaging your troops is below 5%

>They are excellent for drawing evo fire away from far more expensive knights, who I need because they hit harder than all other troops I have access to.
Evo bait is a decent use for them. That said, if you can put strength buffs up foresters should hit harder than knights, at a cheaper price per square.

>Their nets tie down stupid shit with great defense that i'm fighting
I don't know what Children of the X is, but all the other stuff you listed has terrible defense (mostly below 10).

>Their stone spears don't BREAK when I cast Ironbane, which I do, a lot.
Instead they start out as bad as broken weapons. It's very hard to test, but broken weapons seem to lose about a single point of damage. Stone spears start off with 1 damage less than normal spears.

>They aren't wearing armour which BREAKS when I cast ironbane.
Broken armor is better than no armor.

>They cost 2 res, and i'm producing at rescap.
Fair enough. More troops is often better than quality.

>Icthytids are competitive normally with crappy troops on nations
I have yet to find a nation whose troops cannot beat Ichtyids in a fight. They might be useful in your situation, but they're generally awful troops.

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>Elves are cancer in shadowverse
>Elves are cancer in dominions
Coincidence?

>>162612661
Oh yes, a 0 mage support fight. That happens . . . actually nvm, this is domg, that likely happens a lot.

Ichythids for MA Atlantis serve as better blockers than anything they own for the price, which is relevant because MA Atlantis troops weren't killing actually good units anyhow. Giving mages a few added turns is far more valuable in many cases than flailing slightly less hard against actual elite units.

As for Man though, why anyone would choose non-dual wielders over dual wielders, as anything beyond dealing with arrows early, is beyond me.

So how do you figure out what weapons are good? I just go for longer weapons+shields when possible. Are short weapons that big a deal?

>>162613035
>Oh yes, a 0 mage support fight.
That doesn't matter nearly that much.
A better troop type is a better troop type, with or without mage support. Magic is force multiplier.
Atlantian infantries are unlikely to be outpaced by ichtyids under buffs.

>>162613271
You know mages can be used for things other than buffs, right?

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>>162612769
>Elves are cancer in shadowverse
I just started playing it because of this thread. Why are they cancer?
>coincidence
No, they have the same root cause.

>>162613035
>actually nvm, this is domg
While it may be hard to believe, /domg/ is actually one of the less scrubby communities out there.

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>>162612769
It's a good thing the only way to get fairies in Dominions is with a relatively high-level summon. Imagine how bad it would be if any nature mage could summon the little shits.

China is being literally hitler again.

>>162612769
Meh, elves are low grade cancer.

I'd take them over actual cancer, bats, and birds. And I'd consider putting blood as more cancer than at least the non-blood elves . . . especially Eriu. Eriu is like the retard elf.

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>>162613731
>I just started playing it because of this thread. Why are they cancer?

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>>162613035
>Ichythids for MA Atlantis serve as better blockers than anything they own for the price
They seem to perform about the same.

>MA Atlantis troops weren't killing actually good units anyhow
Doing damage at the same time as blocking is better than just blocking.

If you can kill non-elite troops as well, all the better.

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>>162613731
0 bad match-ups
They can have multiple win conditions

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>>162615514
Having glamour, elves (ie. Tuatha Dé Danann/Vanir: Vanheim/Helheim/Midgård/Eriu/Tír na nÓg) can sneak through your territory undetected by your forces and then issue an attack command (or Cloud Trapeze in thugs) simultaneously, the kind of first strike that's difficult to recover from.

>>162615817
Elf first strike still requires more effort and planning to pull off than bird or bat first strike.

Flying units+commanders is horseshit.

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>>162616035
No argument there. I've been to games where, due to changing circumstances, I decided player x needed to go and covered their territory in burds without a single turn of preparation.

>>162541050
Caelum's starting army loses to everything 100% of the time
Having a woke pretender feels mandatory as them

>>162617029
Caelum has one of the best expansion out there without an awake pretender. Alpha Strike from Spire Horn Warriors clears almost all indie types effortlessly (high defence ones like amazons and cavalry tend to be a problem, but they are somewhat of an issue for everyone and Caelum can just dodge them and come back later) while having very low resource cost and unparalleled mobility (every new expansion party gets into the action instantly).

They're not quite as good as Xibalba with foreign recruitment and even more spammable lancers and perhaps a bit behind the likes of Pangaea/Vanheim, but Caelum expansion is top tier.

>>162617329
Also, mammoths are wonderful elite elephants.

I wouldn't really mention them in the same breath as Xibalba though - the gulf between expansion of Caelum and Xibalba is far larger than the gulf between Caelum and the worst expanding nation in the game (EA Bats ofc).

But that's mostly because EA Xibalba is absolutely insane as a nation, losing out only to the most busted of mod nation crap (and even then they still can't be ignored due to the best early raiding of any nation, and top notch blood).

>>162617684
>the worst expanding nation in the game (EA Bats ofc).

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>>162617684
>the worst expanding nation in the game (EA Bats

Cultural exchange with other generals, we should do this more often. No we shouldn't.[/spoiler[

>>162617779
I meant to specify that this only really applies to EA Xibalba.

LA Xibalba has to contend with LA Indies, which can cause . . . problems. They still expand well, just not at a nutso rate.

MA Xibalba lacks the bat production. EA Xibalba is also much weaker early if they cannot access nearby forests to serve as added production centers.

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>>162618027
Man, considering how I'm typing at the moment, the turns I'm scripting right now are going to go great I bet.

>>162613354

You know mass buffs are one of the most mage-efficient ways to leverage RP, right? And also by far one of the most effective magical tactics in the game.

>>162615574

>innovative giant infantry blocks with no mage support from vanarus, and 3 kings of the deep doing.. what exactly
>your testing is bad and you should feel bad

>>162618980
That depends entirely on the paths, a death nation is not going to care how well their troops take buffs.

>>162619170
>>162618980
Also this specific discussion was about MA Atlantis, whose primary early-midgame tactics involve either spamming Evocations or water elementals.

>>162619060
13 kings.

Please explain why you think vanarus needs mages.

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Quick heads up for my Winter Race War guys:

Get your travel arrangements set, confirm you're going to the office party, and make sure your Yankee swap gift doesn't suck, because we will have some kind of break around Christmas weekend. I'll probably punch it for the morning of the 23rd to the 26th but I'm not against adjusting it.

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I am fairly new
How the fuck do I design a good pretender

Is this Magic fine/what scales should I get?

>>162623767
Is this EA Vanheim or MA Vanheim?

>>162623767
>how do I design a good pretender
Varies very heavily by nation, by age, by map and settings (to a degree), by opposition, etc. We can try to give you pointers but generally need a lot of detail because each nation is very, very different.

>>162623767
Vanheim has arguably the strongest sacreds in the game (if it's EA), or just really strong mounted sacreds (if it's MA) so you need at least a single major (9) bless. W9/N9 are good choices, though you can make almost anything work with them. You also have great vanjarl thugs that can solo small armies or raid province defence (with appropriate items), and the bless applies to them as well.

Your national mages already have A4-5 (vanadrotts) and E3 or so (dorfs), along with small quantities of D1/F1. With W9N9 bless you can both gain access to those paths and get a strong bless for your sacreds, With something like E4S4N9 you can get into astral end-game/golems (work well with N9), and still get a nice bless. With something like D6N9 you can get into death end-game (liches, tarts, gift of health).

If it's EA you can dump sloth all the way to 2 because your cap-only sacreds will carry you. If it's MA, you need einheres, and sloth 1 is manageable. Also, money scales are a must. Something like Order 3, Sloth 1-2, Cold 3, Growth 3, and varying levels of Luck/Misfortune, Magic/Drain will be nice.

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>>162623767
If you're really, really shit at expanding, take this snek or this doggo. They provide both a nice thug/mage/troop bless, good scales, and an awake expander functionality. You can play with magic/luck scales a bit. Some players prefer to NOT deal with misfortune 2, for example, while I never got a problem with it as long as you have order 3.

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>>162624463
Alternatively, take imprisoned and expand with your sacreds (as you should anyway), and enjoy one of the strongest bless combos out there.

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Here's a full scales version of N9. Good for MA Vanheim and mass einheres. Should be good for LA Midgard too.

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>>162624076
>>162624112
It's EA Vanheim

>>162624189
By W9N9 Bless did you mean both or one or the other; both seems prohibitively costly with anything but the Son of Fenrer physical form

>>162624728
>By W9N9 Bless did you mean both or one or the other
You can do either of those or both.

>both seems prohibitively costly
That's the idea of big blesses, you're always sacrificing something. On your particular pretender you can take a point of drain (that won't hurt much because all your research mages are vanjarls with a lot of RP) to get dominion 6 and make one expansion party per turn (1 vanjarl and 5 sacreds).

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So finding these guys next to a War Academy territory is good right?

Thinking this is a good place to put down my next fort

>>162626005
nah, they'll probably deal more damage to your troops than to enemies

Would it be wrong to take the google translate version of the Japanese wiki, reword it to make sense and post it to our wiki?

>>162628931
Nodody's gonna stop you.

>>162628931
Well, wikis usually have a permissive license that allows such a thing although in case of the Japanese wiki, I see no licensing information (at least in English).

>Teleport Oracle to UW province to steal throne
>It drowns
How the fuck does a fountain full of water drown

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I would just like to point out that Tisor now controls 4 thrones, that will give them 5-7 points out of 9 needed for victory.

>>162630480
Don't worry about it.

How do you counter seeking arrow spam in your army? He killed all of my commanders and cant move my army anymore.
I even had a lot of commanders but he seriosly spammed my guys with arrows.

It's AN so I have no clue on how to avoid death. Would pierce resist ignore half of the damage?

>>162577506

Engineering. Hard-sciences, STEM, or even basic informatics and tech support. One of my friends managed to require 9 years to get through high school (Technical Institute) and he's now making like 2500 bucks par month with a cozy and easy job. Considering what I get after a top-tier education in non-STEM subjects, choose tech.

Always. Hey, at least I get 75% of the references in Dominions!

>>162630351
All the sacred water leaked out and the spirit went with it. Then it got eaten by a crab.

>>162631271
Seeking Arrow is armor-negating but isn't actually piercing damage. It does quite low damage at only 8 though so tough units can survive a few. Recruit some indie commanders and scouts and have them travel with your army as ablative bodyguards.

>>162631271
Hmmm... Does air shield work out of battle? That could be a good idea if it works.