/twg/ - Total War General

Wood elf archers lose to goblin archers.

>>162239079
>he fell for the "bully the dwarfs" meme

>>162239118
req. bigger size of op image

Ahhhhhh, Athel Loren

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ur in the klub in black crag when this git'z pet mouf eats ya pile o' teef. wot do u do?

So what exactly makes the Wood Elf DLC so shit?

>>162239351
SMACK 'IM UP

>>162239380
People can't git gud

>>162239380
>falling for the "new dlc is bad because I'm poor and haven't played it so I'll say it's bad" memers

>>162239540
>everyone who criticizes my precious elven DLC must just be a poorfag who didn't even give their money to CA!

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This campaign is really starting to pick up, not pictured is another full stack led by a Nazgul right outside of the Black Gate. At this rate I'm not sure if I can hold everything or If I should just leave Henneth Annun to Mordor

>>162239380
Playing the glass canon faction as glass canons doesn't work.

Right now they're all glass no cannon.

>>162239619

it was the same when beastmemes came out, when blood dlc came out, when grim and the grave came out, when fucking wurrzag and vlad came out too im sure

fucking poorfags

Good way to get dosh (very hard) is to get the tech that adds 400% income to ports and then go conquer Estalia

>>162239540
It's not even that, they're just under performing compared to other factions.

I'm sure people will find out what works soon enough but until then we have spec ops elite hyper advanced woodland Elf rangers (bows) loosing to fucking goblin archers.

Not even the night gobbos with their poison, basic goblin archers.

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>tfw too intelligent to fall for the CA dlc meme

>>162239629
Make'em bleed

>>162239380
People don't know how to sacrifice units to hold up the enemy while you fuck their day with arrows.

If I could mod, I'd make a high elf colony faction in Norsca, like in rotdg

>>162239861

>tfw too intelligent to play Total War.

There - fixed it for ya.

Day 200
Warhammer is still shit.

>162240019
>>>/his/

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>>162239629
>>162239881
This is one turn later after I finished off that nazgul stack. Also Boromir has gone through 3 titles. First the Mighty then the Noble and now the Aggressive.

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>yfw superior Dawi quarrelers are better at archery than weebElfs

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>tfw early on in my VH beastman campaign

is playing them in the grand campaign like this too? Hilarious using paths to fuck everyone's day up, then running like a bitch before their deathstack can do shit about it

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>>162240117
I gave the High Elves Henneth Annun as a gift in turn for an Alliance. They'll lose it and I'll take it back later but now I'm going to call a meeeting and hope they give me an army so I can go sack some Saurons shit and run away.

welf campaign is so slow, fugging hell

and the spellweavers are ugly, they should have used the other concept

Dammit I can't decide which I like more.
>Bloody Handz get a naked dude along with specializing in naked dude armies

>Greenskins have pretty neat looking armor and Grimgor is a fucking tank

Which do I make my first faction? I like them both.

>>162240765
Greenskins is slightly easier imo. Though you can always confederate the other so it doesn't matter too much who you start as.

>>162240627
Thats what happens when your first expansion choice are two big regions with cities 2 turns away from your border

Im seriously considering saying "fuck it" to confederation and trying to take vaul's anvil first

>>162240117
I still think M2 had my favorite General system.
Had a general with level 5 siege defense, or maybe just defense in general. Either way, he was "the Bastion".
I just wish command stars would go above 10.
Plop him in Antioch and watch the Mongols go, "o fuk"

>>162240947
>tfw armies have to have a general now
>tfw no more man of the hour promotions
that was the best shit

>>162240765
WURRZAG DA GREAT GREEN PROFFET SEZ GRIMGOR IS A POOFTA

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Can some kind anon give me a rundown on the different Wood Elf archer units, and when to use which? It's slightly more overwhelming than I had initially thought.

>>162240765
Go grimgor, you can get naked man and his naked friends by going to the extreme south;
Next to some settlement names there's an icon indicating a specific resource; and you need that resource to make the savages

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whew

>>162240765

Wurzag is a great caster, and savage Orcs are brutal murderers in melee but you have to be careful with them because 0 armor.

Grimgor is a literal one man army, the rest of the Orcs in his force show up to be impressed by him.

>>162241163
Fire arrow glade guards are your go to general purpose archer due to having 17 (!!!) AP damage as well as fire and magic attacks

Waywatchers are pretty gud at vanguarding behind or away from an enemy and shooting from behind

Star-something dudes with 37 or so damage are pretty good to use until you wanna use waywatchers or if you don't wanna use waywatchers

hawk archers are trash ranged units and are much better used as a flying shock cav, they destroy low armour units

mounted archers are OK, high mobility so good bait and kite unit and decent enough damage

>>162241131
20 years old, 2 command stars, 4 chivalry, 7 loyalty, 6 faith.
You're so fucking hired buddy. Welcome to the family, here's your mayor's palace. Good job killing those 3 rebel town militia with your 3 italian spearmen and genoese crossbowmen.

>>162241538
nigga what

>>162241589
You've never played m2?

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>>162240530
The Orcs are confused or maybe just intimidated

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Just finished downloading welfs

Should I do the mini campaign first or head straight into GC?

>>162241756
What is the point of this image?

>>162241163

All WElf archers can run and shoot.

Glade Guard are your standard archers, good all around, crumble in melee.

Deep Wood Scouts can shoot 360 degrees, stealth anywhere, vanguard deployment

Waywatchers are everything Deep Wood Scouts are, with longer range and armor piercing missiles.

Glade Riders are fast, light calvary with 360 degree shooting

Hawk Riders are fast flying calvary with front arc shooting

Hagbane arrows add poison, ideal for Glade Riders who are kiting things around anyway

The other arrow type is armor piercing, good against armor...obviously

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Sorry, selected wrong image.

>>162241835
anon

its cavalry

>>162239380

Quarrellers win 1v1 against all Wood Elf archers

>>162241919

Anon. you're right it's late I should go to bed

>>162241972
good night anon

>>162241945

Quarrellers are better in TT anyway

>>162241945

>A bunch of dudes in heavy armor with crossbows can outshoot naked bowmen

You don't say? Sounds like the game is working just fine.

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>>162241652
Top kek, these Maulers broke down the gates at Cirith Ungol, charged in and broke straight away when they saw what was on the other side

>>162241858
And with one miss click we all now know far too much.

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>>162242165
These guys are angry, they chased out an Orc Band unit as soon as they charged them on the ramp

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>>162242208
Not him, but are you saying that not everyone has tons of Sonic pics for shitposting?

>>162242595
No
There is something wrong with you

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>>162241945

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FUCKING GERMANIC SHITS FUCK OFF IT'S MINE NOW

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>>162242620
ok

>>162241945

not if the woodelfs are in forest.

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>3 stacks of beastmen, oak of ages tier 2. I have only one stack of neet elfs

Alright guys been playing Welfs MP all night, here are some thoughts:

-Dwarfs and chaos are ironically good picks against Welfs, because Welfs lack a decent main AP infantry they have to rely on treekin for that or on the subpar rangers (Who are an anti large unit anyway), Unupgraded Wardancers could be good if not for the fact Welfs lack a decent anvil for their flanks, same problem for wild riders. What they suffer from: Can't trade with quarrelers, can't trade and deal effectively vs heavily armored shielded basic infantry (Dwarriors, Cwarriors, Gguard), fire is very strong against some of their key units
-Their air game is mediocre, everyone was thinking that Great Eagles would carry the day, they are okay, problem is you can't really force your opponent to commit all their units as Welfs so they can just keep an anti large unit behind
-They get completely crushed by Vampire counts, they get crushed in the air and on the ground, Grave guards, zombies, bats etc. almost every unit is incredibly effective except for ethereals since Welfs spirit roster all have magic attacks
-They suffer a lot from Warhounds units (especially poisoned ones), no matter how fast your archers are they can't outrun warhounds and get melted and their cav is not melee cav, they work more like Attila/R2/S2 shock cav
-Welfs seem to be pretty good vs Beastmen, mainly because they rely a lot on units that count as large units and their units are unarmored
-The new lores are good but not good enough to carry the day, they're as good as previous good lores already in the game
Haven't played enough against Empire or Bretonnia but

-VS Empire it seems to be lopsided on the empire's favour, the arty is pretty effective for once, you can get KotbS and the RoR rocket battery and melt whatever tree spirit unit the enemy has brought
-VS Bretonnia it seems a lot more balanced

>>162243073
I feel like everything about the Wood Elves is just absolute shit

>>162240286
It is yes. As long as you don't screw around with it you're borderline untouchable unless someones stack walks into yours.

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>>162243259
They are, I have been testing out single units in custom fights. Their units are not only overpriced, but are weaker 1v1 than almost all others, of comparable price; and the niche they are supposed to fill.

Whoever was in charge of Welfs needs to be fired.

>>162240286
It's great. Having two stacks leads to really fun bait strategies too
>enemy 15 unit stack comes running out of his city to take on my 10 unit stack raiding
>WHOOPS sorry my other 10 unit stack bro was hidden encampmented inside reinforce range, and you tripped him awake, and you don't have enough movement to get back to your gay city, fag

is any of the welf lores worth having? I am not sure which mage to recruit

>>162240876
I ended up conquering them too, fuck waiting for confederations

>>162243073
It's not so bad. You can play ping pong with them - use the world roots stance and move an army into the oak, beastmen move to King's Glade, move army back to KG, BM move to Oak, so on so forth. They will die of attrition eventually.

Speaking of which... does the forest even do attrition damage? A BM army that had been in Athel Loren for 4 turns had lost on average 4 soldiers from each unit. That's 1 per turn.

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New Knyght Errant video, on SALLETS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo517b3kMH0
Don't know anyone else to share it with

>>162240876
the two closest elf factions usually have 15-20 units on top of the Garrison. Durthu's starting city on the other hand was wide open on my campaign.

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What

>>162243779
Todd for WElfs

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>>162243407
All I wanted was to have fun tonight, its not fair bro

>>162243779
Is this for Grand campaign as well or?

>>162243396
I find it really entertaining to read the awkward English in the description for these kind of mods.

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>>162243924
Don't worry anon, your eternal guard can beat out the base goblins. Well they get to around 50% hp, until the gobs are around 40% and run out of leadership.

>>162243974
Same as Todbringer. If the VC confederate Mousillon on the GC they'll get the Red Duke as a lord.

>>162240765
You like naked dudes huh?

Creative Academy, tired of the accusations of "Power Creep", decide to make Wood Elves the weakest faction in the history of Total War games.

>>162239380
I wouldn't say it's shit, I'm enjoying it a lot more than I enjoyed the Beastmen DLC, but the Elves are a fucking awkward faction to play. You sort of expect them to be this godlike archer faction but their archers frankly aren't that great. They're really more of a hybrid cavalry-archer-pike army and that requires serious levels of git gud.

One thing most people miss though is that you can weather through all of the early game beast rushes by fortressing up in the Great Tree. That shit is invincible.

>>162244136
VC can't confederate.

>>162244219
>Academy

>>162244219
I bet you field them the same way you field ranged units in every other army.

>>162244232

Welf take a lot of effort, its fun but yeah, they need a buff.

For now I am running archer stacks with 2 wardancer flanks and 4 eternal guard front, the rest is glade guard(early game)

I have to pick my fights very carefully, its very hard to win battles when significantly outnumbered when playing as welfs and those bret cav spams are hell

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>This is what CA considered a balanced unit

The good thing about welf is that you HAVE to manual play every single battle

would it be accurate to compare wood elves to the way Eldar play in Battlefleet Gothic? That is, generally weaker units that rely more on maneuvering and mobility?

>>162244531
Gobbos are STRONG

How the fuck do you start as Morghur? Middenheim just fucking bodies me, Marienburg is twice as bad.

Going east just leads to chaos fucking dumpstering on me if I get past kislev, and then the fucking quest is against GREENSKINS.

Let alone its impossible to get anywhere. I remember in playing chaos one villiage would give you 22k gold a fucking sack but I barely get above 1098 on turn 50 after level like 10 with all the fucking looting skill points.

Ree I can't even use fucking minotaurs to abuse auto resolves this fucking blows everything is 10 stack free company 5 stack crossbow 3 stack outriders bullshit I have no fucking way to get them because harpies just melt and everything else just routes.

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>wanna play elf as more units and play styles but they seem so eh

>playing tree army is so strong buts its just Ctrl+G right click


what do i do?

>>162244531
Goblins can also kill dwarf miners, or empire spearmen or norscan marauders
So I dont see your point senpai

>>162244531
Eternal guard with shields are much more viable, they protect the archers from flanks, cav and larger creatures (I had a unit hold off blood dragons once) and tank arrows though, nothing else.

>>162244548
Reminds me of Medieval 2 when peasant mob armies dominated auto-resolve
only SHIT

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>>162244531

>And they said Gobbos are supposed to fear all Elves

>>162244615
Play Welf, it makes you git gud
Mostly because you really have to abuse their fire while moving mechanic to win anything

>>162244615
Damn man... guess suicide's the only option.

Requesting the picture of the elf leg with panty shot from like 5 threads ago.

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>>162244232
>but the Elves are a fucking awkward faction to play. You sort of expect them to be this godlike archer faction but their archers frankly aren't that great. They're really more of a hybrid cavalry-archer-pike army and that requires serious levels of git gud.

Agreed, playing as Orion, I started by taking killing off the broken nose orks and getting two elvish outposts in the ruins, then marching my half dead army north to Athel Loren to deal with the beastmen. My starting unit of Wild riders average 200+ kills a battle. Had to go for the tier 1 army replenishment perk on Orion just to get enough spear elves to hold the line again and again.

>>162244647
>Dwarf miners cost 325
>empire spearmen cost 300
>norscan marauders cost 375
>gobbos cost 300
>eternal guard cost 500

Many of these things are similar, find the one that isn't.

>>162244289
Good point, anon. I guess the Red Duke is never playable on the GC, then, but he does show up as the Mousillon faction leader.

>>162244750
o..ok ill try

>>162244754
kill me now

>>162244812
Boohoo they cost 200 more
>MP
Kek

>>162244592
Get an AI recruitment mod to fix the stupid full ranged stacks and make fights easier to win.

>>162244793
Wild Riders are through the roof good. Bunch of hick elves on deer are OP. Need to get that elk a beer hat and have all the elves wear wifebeaters.

>WE DON'T LIKE YER KIND 'ROUND HERE GOBBO. THIS IS ELF LAND.

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IT IS TIME

Now we need the fucking High Elves to be released and show these fucks what real elves are

>Inb4 they also make the most disciplined and elite army of the warhammer world stats to be shit

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>>162244994
Btw anyone have an ideal 20 unit comp for wood elves?

>>162244913
t.CAdev

>>162245224
>>162233193

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>Shadow Steeds never.

>>162245224

2 wardancers
4-5 eternal guard (they exist only to hold down pesky faggots, they are nordic band tier with more morale and shouldnt be used in your strategy that much)
A SHITLOAD OF archers, of any kind, preferably the 360 no scope kind,bring as many as you can, they are your only salvation
1-2 Wild riders
1-2 skirmishers of your choice

Then prepare to kite like a bitch

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Is it possible to win this? I'm not sure I can do it.

Orion or Durthu for the easiest mini-campaign playthrough? Just wanna blow through it for Red Duke

>>162245431
You're gonna hold that crossing and you're gonna like it

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>>162245431
Jesus christ niggas help

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>>162245071

Wrong screen

Also holy shit this battle is hard, what you're not seeing: Another elven army in the back controlled by the AI holding the ground against a tide of beastmen

>>162245545
Kek you got fucked by CA
Just concede

Say something kind about harpies

>>162245135
If it's anything like tabletop, both will be a "tactical" army with specific units for specific jobs but Wood elves have to do everything in their power and abuse every rule (and make sure there is forest on the battlefield) to scrape by with a victory. High Elves on the other hand will be similar but have better standard units (archers and spear men), magic(High Magic) and God tier elites (Swordmasters of Hoeth, White lions of Chrace) With an Elder-God tier elite as a cherry ontop (Phoenix Guard)

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>>162245545
WODAN SAVE ME

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>>162245591

GET OUT OF MY GARDEN REEEEEEEEEE

>>162239380
>TW is a series that has always been low micro
>Introduce high micro faction
>Players are shit at it
>Players are idiots, and think its the faction thats shit
That pretty much sums it up. Go watch what all the players are doing with WE, a faction designed entirely for skirmishing, they are making up spaghetti lines and charging head first into the enemy.

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>>162245664
wait
what

>>162245702
don't stop, i'm curious.

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>>162245702
AHAHA

FUCKING BARBAR RETARD SHITS

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>>162245692

>>162244531
>A unit for killing infantry cheaply v an expensive anti cav unit
>b-but they both have spears! what do you mean there is more to them than that!
You're a moron

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>>162245774
LMAO
CALL ME HANNIBAL

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>>162245712

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>>162245780

Seems like my ally cleaned up too

>>162245774
>AI went for a regroup command and just ran headfirst into enemy lines
For fucks sake CA

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>>162245841
I will leave you with a bird butt

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>>162245969

>get told Elves are the kings of ranged combat
>get btfo in ranged combat

made me think

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>>162245902
Both fully committed now, all there is is to wait it out.

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>>162246060

>>162246091

My lad why not outflank with the skirmishers

>>162246143
they're garbo in hand to hand, they'll straight up break if they attack oathsworn in the rear

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>>162246143

;_;

>>162246175

It's the morale damage my dude

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>>162246219
My DICK is a morale damage to me ;-;

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>orion declares war on me
>immediately sieges a level 3 city garrisoning a 20-unit army with his 15-unit stack
okey dokey then

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>>162246219

AYOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>162246264
I feel like I cheated the game

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>>162246317

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

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>>162246349
My win doesn't really matter, though, since the Iceni declared on me right after and I've still gotta take two walled settlements to the east, THEN gotta turn around and conquer tutorial island.

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>>162246415

HOLY SHIT HAHAHA

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>>162246484

Here's what he looks like, ignore the dude targeting me with nagash's gaze

He has generic Vampire lord voicework in battle and unique voices in the diplomacy screen

>>162246435
>G O B L I N S is gone
>this faggot aint

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Seems like they buffed the shit out of Boris, can now take an imperial griffon and has this OP as fuck ability

Also his runefang grants regeneration now

>>162246563

>unique voices

sounds the same as regular ol VC dudes

>>162245896
i want to buck this birb

I think I'd be alright with how shit eternal guard were if they didnt have such an impressive name

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>Forest battle with wood elves
>the woods are so thick that it negates all your range firepower because the trees block 75% of your shots

This can't be happening.

>>162242292
>>162242165
Getting enough soldiers with Gondor is a pain.

Trying a similar campaign. Just trying to recruit enough guys to staff Cair Andros, that crossing point down south of Pelagir, and also make a push to hold Minas Morgul / the bridge just south of Osgiliath, I can hardly do it. Recruiting enough guys is an issue, let alone sustaining / building the economy for it. Feels like 1/4 of my armies are generals guards.

It's one of those things though, where I'm sure that not grabbing Minas-Morgul / Cair Andros would make your campaign significantly harder, but holding them means I can't devote the resources to defeating Harad.

I'd try my hand at raiding Umbar, but I'm sure they'll have the garrison script to make things a pain. I doubt militia will cut it down there too.

>>162246667
>toddy can now take an imperial griffon

I hope this works in the GC as well.

>>162247024

THERES TOO MANY FUKKEN TREES

They should add a "tilt shift" graphics option, so it feels like a tabletop game :D

>>162247024
>forest battle
>trees are so thick that it actually negates your sole advantage and you lose well over half of your firepower
>the minotaurs proceed to fuck you to death

Happened twice in a row.

>>162245806
>Their cheapest unit in the army
>Expensive

It wouldn't be bad, if the Welfs had other redeeming units, but almost all of them get beat out 1v1 vs what is supposed to be an equivalent.

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>>162243670
watched it earlier, really good stuff

>>162247287
Imagine how embarrassing it would be to show up to battle in your nice suit of armour only for your mate to point out that you're missing something.
GUARANTEED some real knights back in the day had nightmares / anxieties about this.

>>162246563
>Red Duke going super saiyan

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>Show up to ruckus
>Rotgut starts jawin some dumb dribble
>Hit the git
>Hitted git too hard
>Such is life

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>>162247357

>>162247357
That's what squires are for. He'll be fucked to death.

So whats the ideal WElf comp so far?

Does anyone have any idea what "Shadowgave" actually means or is intended to mean? Is 'gave' some obscure, archaic word or something?

>>162247624
>shadowgave
>shadow gave
>the one who gave shadow
>the one who gives shadow
>the one who gives darkness

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>>162247024
>>162247213
>>162247239

Psst.

Guys

I have an idea

How's about we...

Remove a few of the trees

Just enough so we can shoot our bows good

Don't tell Durthu

>>162247720

Seems a bit contrived, no? Like it's a real mangling of words if that's the intent. I don't mean to say "You're wrong and should feel bad!", by the way, just discussing it.

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>>162247239
>you will never have a minotaur fuck you to death

Life is suffering

hey niggers answer me, which elven lore is worth using, they all seem really shitty

>>162247798
>tfw you still replay CoC every year or so to get the minotaur bad end

I know this feel.

>>162247798
same but not to death
now i need to replay CoC

>>162247798

I sense a good opportunity for some rule 34.

>>162247827

Shadows is really good.

>>162247798
not as much suffering as your anus would be in those final moments

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>It's okay Welf melee infantry is shit, they have archers!
>It's okay Welf archers are shit, they have monsters!
>It's okay that they're cucked by their own terrain, the woods!

What's next

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>>162247829
>>162247832
>CoC

>>162247827
Life and Shadow are both really good lores.

>>162247624
Gave means gift in my language, and I'd guess it's the same in old English. It fits with the old Beastmen lore someone posted here at least.

>tfw beat FOTS/Rome2 on legendary
>tfw can't beat attila or warham above hard

I just understand the game there's too much shit going on

>>162247882
Their spells kill the woods reducing their amber
>>162247932
I can never get past 10 turns of FotS, which clan would you reccomend that keeps you in on the longturn

>>162247827
Elves literally have the three best lores, anon. Only way they could actually be any better is if they got Vampires, too.

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>A scheme worthy of Skarsnik :^)

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>>162247580

>>162247915

Ooh, which language is that?

>>162248013
Norwegian, so there's some shared word roots etc. for obvious reasons.

Don't blame me for Arch please.

>>162248107

Nice, thanks!

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>>162248107

>>162247932
I can't even survive in AoC

>>162247130
>Trying a similar campaign. Just trying to recruit enough guys to staff Cair Andros
I haven't had them attack Cair Andros once yet
>that crossing point down south of Pelagir
If you mean the which you can cross the river you can block it off with a ship. If you mean Lorilad then I guess you don't really need to take it yet but it'll funnel Harad into Ithilien so that's extra trouble.
>Recruiting enough guys is an issue, let alone sustaining
The Volunteers you can recruit from the mercenary tab don't cost any upkeep and you should definitely exploit that. You can recruit some in Ithilien and that entire south coast shares a volunteer pool with pretty nice units.
This of course only counts if you're playing MOS since i'm not sure about vanilla TATW

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>>162248000
Some cunning warlord he turned out to be, he got literally outsmarted by a tree.

The autoresolve changes came at the perfect time. Wood Elves are hard enough as it is but this is forcing me to play out every single battle and it's a blast.

So is there any reason not to make my settlements buff as fuck in the mini campaign before doing any tree upgrading/fucking about in the forest?

>>162248107

>Norwegian
>"Language"

That's not how you spell "Garbled provincial dialect of Danish"

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>It's another episode of welf army vs welf army

>>162248251

>That battle
>Those kills on the Dryads

B-BUT WOOD ELVES ARE SHIT! THEIR INFANTRY GETS KILLED BY GOBLIN! /TWG/ TOLD ME SO!

>>162248251
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXPQLXjC_KA

>>162248283
calm down clognigger

>>162248283
I can't understand what you're saying. Please finish swallowing your potato Preben.

>>162248367

You're just mad because you have so little fertile soil that you can't even grow potatoes

>>162248259
What changes, did they listen to Legend

>>162248283
t. kamelåså

>>162248396
I can't hear you from all the way up here, you need to climb higher. Oh wait...

>>162248404

The threshold for units being wiped out in auto-resolve is higher, making you much more likely to actually lose whole units when auto-resolving

Towers are also more powerful in the auto-resolve bar, making auto-resolving sieges more risky.

>>162248341
I don't own the DLC but before you shitpost please take note of his level and the fact that most of his points were spent in the leadership tree.

>>162248464

Whatever

Please return oil.

>>162247624
>>162247915

Morghur was born to human parents, the Beastmen call those guys 'gaves' and consider them honored and important no matter if they have horns or not. Gift is an appropriate word.

So Shadowgave is really quite literal.

>>162248550

>Morghur was born to human parents

u fukken wot

Source please

It was my understanding that he was basically spawned out of pure chaos.

>tfw people keep bringing welf to mp games
>tfw keep bringing sheilded chosen
>tfw they run out of ammo and my units are still over 60% life
>tfw time to herd in the knife ears and murder them after raping them for slaanesh

>>162248341
To be fair it was an ambush, so the goblins broke pretty fast, and like the other guy said I've boosted their melee with skills.

>vintners barrel house
>+20% income from grape vines (all regions in adjacent provinces)

Is this RaW, where building it in the same settlement as grape vines means I don't get the bonus?

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I don't even know what to say about this

>>162248550
>http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Morghur
>>162248597

>>162245428
What about woodland units?

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>>162246435
Its time for NEETposting to hang the hat, old friend. You are the prime elfposter now. The future of elfhype belongs to the druchii. Don't let the tryhard elves win.

お先に失礼します

>>162248683
Just checked and it is indeed written correctly. It only provides the % bonus to adjacent provinces, not the settlement it's built in.

>release new faction
>advertise them as masters of ranged combat
>make them shit and outclassed by midgets with crossbows

Who ok'd this?

>>162248696
whore

>>162248696
But they don't have dicks!

>>162248861
I see nothing has changed from the tabetop

>>162248683
You should build one in all 4 provinces desu. Nets you a total bonus of 180% income. Only way to make this stupid shit playable. I dunno who thought it was ok to make only one fucking income building and not let you confederate. The hardest part of any fucking elf campaign is getting a fucking 20 stack. It's actually literally impossible to get a 20 stack as the tree without forcing a 3 front war against the other elves to take at least ONE other province.

>>162248550

Ahhh, thank you! They probably picked that word because the Beastmen view gaves as "a *gift* of their own fell gods". Excellent.

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>>162247798
Some gals gets lucky :^)

I just had the Wood Elves confederate each sub faction one turn after another starting on turn 22.

Confederation was a mistake.

>>162248861
>masters of ranged combat
>only INNA WOODS
>are wearing light cloth and edgemaster scarf masks
>have more range than every other unit
>have 360 degree fire arc
>can fire while running in any direction

That sounds like masters of ranged combat to me.

Dorfs are meanwhile wearing fucking 100 points of heavy fucking armor, an axe, a shield, and then a crossbow.

You're comparing fucking marauder horesemen to Demigryph Knights here anon. Marauders will fucking destroy those demis but it takes an intense amount of micro, planning, and fucking campaign related stat boosts (of which the elves have like 5 times as many as the dorfs even). Or if you stand there and trade in the open (not even a forest for your like x3 better than anyone else defensive and offensive bonuses) yeah the fucking ONE HUNDRED ARMOR 50% MISSILE RESISTANCE QUARRELERS are going to fucking rape you.

>>162249040
>he confederated before turn three hundred

Oh, anon. It's ok. We all made the same mistake.

>>162248861
>Theme the new faction around woods
>Theme them around the worst weapon one could use a wood.

Who ok'd this?

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minotaurs are the best thing to happen total war

they're almost bankrupting me, but they just won't fuggin die

>>162248909

So whats the best range unit in the TT

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r8 my campaign

>>162249159
Warplock Jezzails.

>>162249096
y

>>162249167
hot

>>162249063

>have more range than every other unit

This is wrong

They share the same range as Quarrellers and Rangers

>>162249159
skaven

AHHHHHHHHH I'VE GOT YOU NOW MAN-THING!

>>162249142
Minotaurs are so good they make the Beastmemes campaign Boring as fuck to play since they steamroll everything. imo tqbh f-a-m

>Regrowth doesn't resurrect units

Fucking gay

I mean, it's single target, would it really be that much of a problem?

Wait, there are fucking orcs on this map
When the fuck did the orcs get here I haven't seen one the entire campaign
Get the fuck out of my forest tusknigger, this is Aryan Elf clay.

>>162249496
>Reviving Demigryph Knights

>>162249485
this

>>162249535

pls no

>>162248939
You can confederate
if you upgrade the tree to tier 3

just like you can trade with non-elves factions if you put someone in charge in a specific "office"

>>162243198
>dwarfs and chaos are good picks against welfs

Interesting.

>and so is just about everyone else

Nevermind, so they are garbage.

>>162248901
I guess she doesn't care

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Gnoblar Hordes when?

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

I fucking hate fighting in woods. Without space pressed you do not see anything and even with it it's still confusing.
Any way to make woodfights more enjoyable? A mod making trees nearly invisible perhaps?

>>162249496
It's not necromancy m8

Dryads are cute! Cute!

>>162250061

It resurrected units on the fucking tabletop, I don't see why it shouldn't here

>>162250039
Just turn on that option to make the trees invisble when you are close to them.

>>162241945
Reminder that dwarfs are shit because slayers loose against arachnarok spider

Reminder that VC are shit because most if not all of their anti large monsters loose against arachnarok spider

>>162248738
Durthu
10 Tree Kin
4 Treemen
A Branchwraith Shadow
A Spellslinger Life
2 Hawks
1 Dragon

The ents are marching to war I havent had Durthu lose more than half of his life and have never lost a treekin

>>162250023
>expecting a major fan faction to be released in the first game and not the second game
QEW LAD

>all these constant rebellions
why are these welfs so savage? having no good PO building is annoying

>>162250235

3 casters in a stack seems like a bit much

>>162249485

So don't use them...?

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Get fucked

90% ambush chance fgt

>>162250249

Tomb Kings were the second least popular faction

This mini campaign is hard. I've failed four separate attempts because Morghur just fucks the Oak before I can get anything even resembling an actual army.

>>162250382
did u even play the tabletop before 8th

>have 8gb ram
>WE mini campaign uses 6.5GB ram
>game freezes and crashes

THANKS CA

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>>162250421

Whoops, looks like I remembered wrong, they were in fact the LEAST popular faction that was still supported

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>>162250376

>that balance of power bar

KEK
E
K

Ironically enough
The welf spirit units is godlike

>>162249167
how the fuck does that even happen?

>>162250282
durthu isnt really a caster

>>162250402

WITHER AND DIE BEFORE THE SHADOWGAVE, THE MASTER OF SKULLS!

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>>162250525

It's k

Playing as Da Great Green Prophet is fun and all, but holy shit now that I am in the late game and towers are everywhere sieges are fucking impossible. My damn savages get fucked before they can even hit the walls, this shit is insane.

>>162250382
>>162250421
>>162250504
They weren't popular for TT because they were the dedicated "elite player faction".

Their lore was always pretty popular.

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>Skarsnik keeps sending himself and 3 units of trolls + 2 gobbo archers against my WElf settlements
>have to fight battle every time because I will lose if I auto resolve despite killing him easily in battle

>>162250760

>They weren't popular for TT because they were the dedicated "elite player faction".

Is that code for "They weren't any good"?

>>162250402

>tfw Moghur's faction got killed by factions off screen 2 turns after spawning every single time

I got to fight a single beastmen stack at the Oak and my Treeman just cleaned house.

>>162250818
Just really difficult to play.

Lots of weird special rules and synergy.

But yes, they were somewhat underpowered.

>>162250818
It's code for "The guy who made their book sucked at balance and made them hard to play"

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4r4YXbndUc
>bbc 4
>playing Rome 2

Do the Elven temples stack? Can I just endlessly pile on +5% movement bonuses?

>>162251010
Eeehhe heehehe

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>>162251010

>>162248758
How come Japan doesn't like TW:WH.

At least, I can never find anyone streaming it on niconico.

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>wood elves suck
>gobbos are better.

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>>162251010
THEY ARE COOMIIIIIIIIIIIIING


Hyped 2bh. Gonna be a fun mess

>>162251289
not moe enough, disgusting foreigner tryhard game
Also,
>pc gaming

>>162251289
It's not localized IIRC. Same for china(and they are really mad about it)

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I dont know how to feel about the trees changing from deciduous to evergreen when you capture breton lands as empire.

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>tfw we have to wait update 6 for some neet elfs buffs

>>162251381
>disgusting foreigner tryhard game

Since when did the Japanese get mad at things being hard? Didn't they make Dark Souls and Ninja Gaiden?

>>162251443
Yeah but the chink warhams community pulls through and actually put together some localization patches. I can still find chinese and korean playthroughs of warhammer pretty easily. Japanese, not so much.

>>162250402
You can garrison troops in the tree itself. Get a good force in there and you could hold off the entire rest of the world.

>>162251467
Wait really? That's pretty funny.

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>>162251307

>wolf chariots

>>162251336
Apparently Gregg is a huge Total War fan. Got burnt out by Rome II, then came back for Attila.

Someone should ask him if he's played Warhammer.

>>162251010
What the fuck is this

>>162251567
Yeah, I know. He was doing a saxon campaign when Darren asked him IIRC.

He said something about Warhammer in a tweet. I I think he wanted CA to send him copy or something.

>>162251307
>shitton of leadership buff against an army led by a level 1 warboss.

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GIVE ME THE AMBER, I NEED IT!
RIP wild riders ;_;

>>162251598
Return of Time Commanders

They are doing Napoleon and Rome 2(and maybe Attila).

There is going to be a versus between a team of wrestlers and a team of board gamers in the first episode. Carthage versus Rome.

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>>162251010
>These people conquered 90% of the known world

It's really more embarrassing for the rest of us, desu.

>>162251685
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBZclNfu2kE


>>162251647
That's the deal with Wood Elves and Beastmen. Their leaders gives their units a lot of important buffs. So you have to have your leaders close by.

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when the treemen just right, also are all regular treeman units the exact same appearance? , I just did a skirmish with a heap and noticed.

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>>162251010
>Small unit size
>Hammer n Anvil.
>No blood.
>Worst game.
>BBC4

>>162251767
For a second I thought that the zombie dressed in black looked like a bus driver.

>>162251672

Damn why do Wild Rides get so many kills?

Going by their stats they are shit.

http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_WARHAMMER/Wood_Elves_Launch_FAQ

http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_WARHAMMER/Wood_Elves_Launch_FAQ

http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_WARHAMMER/Wood_Elves_Launch_FAQ

STUFF

>Going for final elf battle with goatfucker
>Bring 19 stacks of war dancers
>Leave with fewer than 100 survivors

How will the elves ever recover with this many babymakers lost?

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You wake up and you're Karl Franz and next door neighbor in your apartment complex is a Dwarf Lord with Imperial Distrust, Hates Empires, is under Vampiric Influence, is an Underdog, Ruin-Dweller, signed a peace treaty with Skarsnik, and keeps asking you to join war against Stirland.

What do???

>>162251956
It's over Anakin! I have the high ground!

>>162251952
>The campaign is too hard / the mini-campaign is too hard / Wood Elves are too hard to use in battle and it’s not fun.
>We’re keeping an eye on these feedback threads and reviews on Steam. The Welfs mini campaign and start position in the grand campaign are supposed to be a challenge and we encourage approaching them with a new playstyle in mind. You will not find it as easy to expand as other races as that is against their nature, though the outpost system is intended to give you some interesting gameplay choices.
>It is very likely that on an equivalent difficulty setting an Empire campaign (for example) will be easier to handle. We also believe that the amber currency is an interesting mechanic that helps keep the Welf sub-factions distinct and asks you to balance various concerns against your strategic needs, in a way that is different to other races. This is intended as part of helping make the Wood Elves feel distinct to play as.

>We appreciate that that may not suit every player of any ability or taste, but we ask that you give it a try on an easier difficulty setting, approach from a different direction and let us know your feedback.

Even CA is telling you to git gud.

>>162251846
You have an army whose entire shtick is that they cause xbox huge morale damage via arrows.

Then you have a unit that excels at chasing down routing enemies.

I once got over a thousand kills on a unit of pistoleers who chased down every single fucking goblin in the mountain range as they retreated. 90% of casualties happen during the rout. That's historical fact and if you have cav it's true in WTW too.

>>162251956
uuuh

>>162251956

Channeling the Rhodoks I see.

>>162251952
SHITTERS BTFO.

>>162251952
Wow that was a lot of stupid questions they decided to answer.

I guess it is to avoid getting bad review by people forgetting to unclick their out of date mods.

>>162252013
SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS

>>162252013
Ignore him, conquer Marienburg and make an army to raize the mountains or conquer stirland.

>>162252090
The fuck did Stirland ever do to you?

>>162251956
Kek. Always funny getting this in medieval 2.

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>>162251956
It happens.

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>>162251956
guys help

i can't actually move any of my other units because my entire deployment zone is impassable mountain terrain

the AI is supposed to come in through that valley way off in the distance so i redeployed my spears in the only patch of the entire map i can move my guys to

i am just blindly hoping that the AI funnels in to the death trap and that i can actually move my archers close enough for them to fire

>>162252134
They get swallowed by the undead very fast, might as well get their lands first.

Anyone else play the mini-campaign on Legendary? That fucking quest battle at the end holy fuck I lost like 6 armies, eventually had to power level grind orion 20 levels up and his army to gold chevrons of mostly wild riders and sisters of the thorn. Cycle charging non-stop while some inf hold and trying to keep those allied treemen alive