/dsg/ - Demon's and Dark Souls General

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>>161968891

Just found another "unique" non-boss enemy.

So far, we have:

>tentacle monster
>vengarl's body
>chained prisoner
>smouldering lake sandworm
>ant queen
>hellfire drake
>bloated dog

>>161967891
No no, not purchases.
The problem with Soul Memory is that it counts every soul you ever pick up.
The problem with your idea is similarly bad in that consumable purchases will be counted, as well as just completionist armor and weapon buying.

The rest was decent, however.

Here's the good idea:
Souls allocated to Soul Level
Gear upgrade level
Number and upgrade value of Estus.


That's it. Nothing else really matters for pvp or even pve matching (and the password system that DS3 has is all that's needed to allow for unrestricted jolly cooperation).

(Reposting in new bread.)

>>161968895
>restraining interactions even more
We need to find a way to translate them into a universal matchmaking system

>>161969058
Then just soul level. Oh, wait.

>>161968998
>>bloated dog
?
I don't remember this

>>161969058
Honestly, the white soapstone should only care about soul level. It shouldn't be restricted to gear or anything else.
The red soapstone similarly should only be soul level.

Now invading, I can understand that having the extra restrictions. I think only invasions should be limited by any restrictions beyond soul level.

>>161969160
>going through game
>summon guy with +10 at SL15
fi,

>tfw you poop yourself because you want to win your invasion but still don't feel like getting up to clean yourself afterward so you just sit and stew in it while doing more invasions

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also who are the people in anor londo's paintings

>>161969142

Road of Sacrifices, just before the Halfway Fortress bonfire, there's two dogs below the bridge, in the place where you get the Carim braille tome. One of them has a huge bloated stomach and barfs on you.

>>161969195

What's wrong with someone making a jolly cooperation twink?

>>161969556
Sunbros who 4-shot bosses are no fun and it's not a fun or informative for the poor sod getting carried through.

>>161969556
is turning on infinite health fun for you?

>>161969289
Me in the middle

>>161969289
that's my father on the right

>>161968998
Does vengarl's body really count? It was a mini boss that was part of the plot, it didn't just come out of nowhere. It was a sidequest boss, basically.

>>161970338
I enjoy Dark Souls 2 more than 3 tbqh.

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>>161969289
What's girl on a right painting is holding?
Can it be a painter brush?

>>161970338
pve DeS > DaS > DaS2 = DaS3
PvP DaS2 > DaS = DaS3 > DeS

>>161970504
>noinvasions souls 2 better than DaS1
Well, I guess if you only care about duel shit, I can see people liking DaS2 more. For me as an invader it was an abomination.

>>161970548
Duels in DS2 were atrocious as well because this game rewards passive playstyles the most out of all souls games.

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>>161970548

The fuck are you talking about, you got constant invasions anywhere on any SM:
Also, you didn't have to wait half an hour to connect to someone.
>HURR fanmade tools for 1
Yeah great.

>>161970492
The one on the left is also holding something.

>>161970548
>noinvasions souls 2
Combination of SM and being able to invade people who have killed the boss means you're talking shit though.

There are other, actual problems with DaS2's PvP (a lot actually), but a lack of invasion activity isn't one of them - You'd know this if you actually played these games.

>>161970675
>constant invasions
maybe if you were in iron keep or the bell towers
my playthroughs of ds2 a couple of months before ds3 came out i didnt get invaded once, hardly found signs either except at iron keep and the belltowers, and even then it was the same 4 or 5 people at both locations

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>>161970675
DS1's connectivity was fixed by fans and made better than DS2's on top of having much better netcode hit detection and a list of all active players and their SLs.
DS2's invasion system can't be fixed by anything unless you're blatantly cheating with CE to allow shit like using switches as an invader so host can't simply turtle 10 minutes somewhere you can't reach like in Shulva.

>>161970828

>I used CE to give myself an advantage and got softbanned

>>161970828

>I PLAYED THE GAME THE MOMENT IT DIED BECAUSE OF A NEW GAME WTF WHY WAS IT DEAD
>I CHEATED WTF WHY WERE THERE NO SIGNS
Unintentional comedy is the best

>>161970883
i actually tested with one of my friends who had just bought ds2 at the time
he saw my sign almost instantly

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>>161970669

>>161970805
No full orb, limited cracked orbs, shit areas for invasions and you get pushed gradually into insane SMs where nobody plays.

>>161970675
Yes, I'll give DS2 the connectivity. It was great. Dark Souls 2 was an amazing game for co-op, especially in the DLCs. For invasions it sucked though. I saw maybe 2 invaders on my entire first playthrough of DaS 2-

>>161970883
Not him but i did a first run of SOTFS just prior to DS3 release and was NEVER invaded. Never even touched CE with either a standard DS2 or SOTFS. By myself i could invade as a bellfaggot though it was a painfully boring experience and i've dropped it right after getting enough upgrade materials.

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I want to live in that place.

>>161970975
>Dark Souls 2 was an amazing game for co-op, especially in the DLCs
The big problem with DS2's coop is that you're forced to not accept any soul rewards for it unless you want to get pushed into higher SM ranges. This alone invalidates half of a fun that comes from the cooping, when you're not just helping people but getting a fuckload of souls as well to spend on improving your build or restocking consumables.

SM just royally screwed the entirety of online play. Going to bloodborne afterwards even with a horrible bell maiden system was much better.

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Mighty cool.

What's your favourite WA to shit out?

This is a bit of a stretch but does anyone by chance have that picture saved that says "welcome to das2 pvp meta" or something along those lines and has warped sword, longsword, dark weapon buff and the minotaur helm in it?

>>161971084
I wonder if it's Pontiff's living quarters given that they directly connect to the central cathedral via a highly guarded path.

>>161971084
ceiling is too high
everything is too spaced out
literally a stairwell away form the sewer
no furniture but ovens, stoves and a couple tables
everything is stone brick

>>161971107
Idk why people consider this such a big issue. With the name-engraved ring a guy with 500 million soul memory can co-op with a guy who only has 6 million, someone with a million SM can co-op with 400k SM. People are blowing this way out of proportion.

>>161970737
The one on the left seems to hold a talisman. Most likely a high-ranked nobility, DS3 hints that entire Anor Londo was full with nobles and far relatives of the royal family.

The one on the left is kinda strange. Does she has red eyes or it's just an artifact of a low-res picture? Because if she has red eyes it might as well be a picture of painter girl.

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>>161971284

>I'm spooked by big spaces

>>161970504
DaS had by far the worst pvp.

>>161971391
This. DaS pvp is fucking awful

>>161971347
no, big spaces take forever to warm up
and since there are no doors to close off the sewer that leads directly to a lake that room would be perpetually cold and smelly

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>>161971084
Ariandel Chapel is the comfiest place in DS3, though. Especially the place where the little girl paints.

>>161970805
>but a lack of invasion activity isn't one of them
There's a certain and big lack of invasion activity that was present in DS2 ever since the release. I'd say the only run when i saw a lot of invaders was the very first one. In a month invader activity dropped to almost complete halt. Not like i can blame them, a combination of no full orb and hilarious amount of restrictions like no consumable healing made invading a complete chore.

>>161971565
Maybe you should stop being a PCuck.
Invasions were fine on console in the year I played.

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>>161971527
Entire Ariandel was extremely comfy at some point before Friede decided to force the place to rot.
>Millwood Knights living in their tower and buildings nearby or communicating with earth and trees in a northern passage
>Corvians living in their small but comfy village and visiting the Way of White chapel and huge-ass library
>Father Ariandel and painter girl living in the upper chapel

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>>161971728
I've played on PS3 for almost 6 month after DS2's initial release.
Now fuck off to /v/ you consolewar degenerate and stay there.

>>161971754
This is absolutely the same for ds3 though.
Even easier because host can't even stack any advantages and all his phantoms will just be a walking estus stations for a good twink.

>>161972117

>absolutely the same

1. Matchmaking range is based on weapon upgrade level. You literally cannot twink in the same way as in Dark Souls 1.
2. Flippy rings don't exist.
3. Pyromancy now has stat requirements
4. Game is much more aggressive when it comes to detecting CE.

Dark Souls 1 had retarded shit like level 3 twinks with +10 chaos weapons one shotting players in Undead Parish/Burg.

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>>161972117
>bigger weapon upgrade, outdamages you
>humanity heals, outheals you
>armor upgrade and humanity flat defenses, unkillable
>flippyfloppyring, untouchable
>poise, unstoppable
In addition to all other cheesy stuff that's available in both games like poisons etc.

>>161972403
This.

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>>161971754

>>161971754
LOL

Is the nameless king really as tough of a fight as people hype it up to be?

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>>161972528
>>161972556

Only if you try to solo it. If you have someone to distract him, he gets much, much easier.

If you try to solo him, you'll find out that his combo can last up to 6 hits, and that he can randomly decide to stop at any time to use another move and throw off your dodging, and that he does a fuckton of damage, and that he has retarded reach.

>>161972403
>Dark Souls 1 had retarded shit like level 3 twinks with +10 chaos weapons one shotting players in Undead Parish/Burg.
And in DS3 you have dark hand/raw dragonslayer axe/poison twinks utterly destroying hosts on high wall/settlement. Those weapons basically override the entire point of a weapon memory system and allows much higher damage output than it should be normally possible.

This system actually HELPS the twink because he's safe from serious anti-twinking that was possible in DS1 when an SL120 characters just camped on spawn spots in Parish to murder them.

>>161970842
Where is DeS?

>>161972734
Same as with bloodborne only there's no one at the table to begin with.

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>>161972658

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For the life of me I can't get it to work on some unique weapon arts like Ricard's Lunge and Press and Kindled Fury.

>>161973007
middle would be gravelord dewrito with nito's body but with empty mtn dew bottles instead of skeletons, danny's face, and a gravelord sword made of doritos

>>161973007
Da Nito Dorito

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guys skorbrand here, stop sharing the fucking glitch you guys this is secret tech and you guys werent supposed to know about it yet

>arena
>some dude with the obscuring ring and greatbow
>edgy outfit and character name
>oh boy here we go
>chase him around and outplay him
>he gets low hp
>hit him
>he doesnt die
>hit him again
>he swaps to his fist
>hits me once
>"humanity stolen"

cool
First time I encounter a hacker after 900 hours and instead of the cool ones I see on youtube I get this faggot

>>161969556
exactly the same thing that is wrong with invaders twinking
it robs away the fun of the game when you are just an observer to the bossfight
>>161969096
>>161969096
which part of "translate them into a universal matchmaking system" did you not get?
a sl50+6 can also match with for example sl30+10 and sl90+1

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>>161973007
I like that the "my dick is so hard" is edited out. Well done.

>>161972697
>tfw DaS2 SM was right afterall

>>161973385
right yes, but very poorly executed
like everything else in ds2

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Any enemy more bullshit than these guys?

>>161969289
the one on the right is flann, that's gwynevere's room

>people trying to compare DS1 twinking to anything

you literally LITERALLY could one shot people with a normal attack.

You guys either never actually played the game or underestimate +5 chaos/lightning weapons.

>>161973613
>You guys either never actually played the game
If you've lurked /dsg/ for just a few days this becomes very obvious.

>>161971846
You smell just like any other softbunned megamule twink. Pretty glad the invasions ''didn't work'' for you. More fun for me.
Fucking DaStard.

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>>161971754
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>>161972806

>>161973572
ogres in ds2
the ghru in ds3
claw manikins in 2
heide knights (kind of)
blowdarters
skeleton beasts in totg
the spider carriers in brightstone cove
the flame salamanders
every npc invader in sotfs
the nightcrawlers in wharf (kind of)
the dogs in all 3 games

The best memory I had of DaS1 was the very first twink that oneshot combustioned me was one of the last players I cheesed with invisible Pursuers/HCSM three years later.
Karma bitch.

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>>161973007
danny donito

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Is it just me or do NPC invaders have infinite FP?

I keep trying to fight Mad Phantom Hodrick 1v1 but whenever he runs out of estus he keeps using his Warmth pyromancy over and fucking over.

>>161973572
Did they change them? I recently played through DaS2 again and this guy seemed pretty tame

>>161973957
there's nothing bullshit about blowdarters or nightcrawlers
heide knights are only "bullshit" in the sense that the move really weird making them slightly harder to dodge the first time, if you mean that by "kind of"

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>>161973957
>Flame Salamander

They're literally impossible to fight up close. In NG+7 I'd rather fight Fume Knight twice than even one of these cunts

>>161974278
>>161974308
nightcrawlers wide sweeps sometimes ignore shields and they bleed in two hits

also the greatsword drakekeepers literally ignore blocking on their first attack
and the greashield+pole hammer drakekeeper are equally bullshit just because it can turtle so well and can hit through walls

>>161974409
Ye but at least you can fuck Nightcrawlers with your torch. The shield+hammer greatkeepers are bullshit indeed. The greatsword ones are at least weak as hell. They do a lot of damage but die in a few hits. Just gotta dodge one hit or two

>>161974953

The greatsword ones also pause between swings. The hammer and shield+hammer ones will literally not give you enough time to swing if you use one of the slower weapons.

>>161974169
Yeah, they nerfed them considerably.

>>161974163
Yeah, they have infinite FP.

If you want a tip to defeat Hodrick, take him into low health, then throw a Lloyd's talisman at him. When he fumbles with his Estus flask, you can finish him off pretty easy.

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>>161975069
>>161974163

I'm still pissed at Dark Souls 2 dark phantoms pretty much ignoring combat mechanics.

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>>161975140
i have plenty of webms showing just how bad ds2 is if you want me to dump them

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>>161975192

Feel free to dump.

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>>161975314

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>>161975314
Lolled

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>>161973572
Honestly, those guys were only bad if you had gone through the whole game sword and board, because you couldn't wait for their attacks to finish to attack, you had to actually get out of the way or else run out of stamina.

If you were a mage, used light weapons and fast rolled for chip damage, or had practiced backsteps instead of rolls, they weren't so bad.

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>>161975526
Was there a more pathetic "lord" boss in series?
Not even talking about gameplay but she has no lore or aesthetic value and her music is shit as well.

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>>161975526

>phantom rolls out of his jump attack when I'm about to nail him with a Leo Rapier counterhit
my favorite

>>161975192
to be fair, he has a big ass sword. Kinda makes sense that you can't just block it by facing your shield forward

>>161974018
this is fucking great

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>>161975658
speaking of those things

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>>161975314
>moon theme from ducktales intensifies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF32DRg9opA

Hey guys, whats the sl meta? 120? 125?

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>>161970975
I'm glad his twitch streams aren't taking off desu.

I found a ton of pvp on my first DS2 runthrough though, the covenant spots were amazing. Belltower is the most fun I've had with pvp in the series total.

>>161975625
>Was there a more pathetic "lord" boss in series?
Dragon God.
Seath the Scaleless is arguably even more of a pussy than Freja is.

>but she has no lore
The Lord Soul isn't Freja. It's the dragon that you see after Freja.

>aesthetic value
The lighting is shit and as such, the entire bossroom looks dull as fuck(a DaS 2 problem in general, the lighting is shit and makes everything look dull), but Freja's fight is imho better than Armor Spider.

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>>161975757
SHOCKWAVES

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>>161975723
>>161975682

Oh yes, rolling out of jump attacks.

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>>161975192
That's not bad. The sword is dealing NPC strike damage when he swings downward, and those ignore shields. Just like how some swords deal thrust damage or NPC attacks will pancake you.

>>161975431
it's obviously your fault for using a fire based weapon against fume

>>161975625
Keep in mind that you don't get the lord soul from killing her but you have to pick it up from the dragon behind her. She isn't a "lord" boss per say, she's just guarding the soul.

The fight itself is shit though, I have to agree

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>>161975892
>implying any of these are me

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>>161975832

>>161975792
>Belltower
Hated that area design-wise, the Bellfry Luna is way too cramped and Belfry Sol just looks very bland and the area feels like it's completely lacking in purpose.

A Bellbro covenant that invades EVERYWHERE in the Bastille would've been fucking amazing.

>>161974308
Up close is the only way to fight them. Just rush in and stick yourself between their legs, when they turn you'll turn along with them and you can combo them into infinity, just roll back behind them once they attack.

Hardest part about flame salamanders is getting up close, not fighting in close.

>>161975832
>>161975879
shockwaves, or perhaps...

>>161975526
>Design decent looking spider
>Realize in order to make it a challenge you have to make a shitload of adds, and then respawning adds
Can't believe I ended up liking DS2 more than DS3 at the end of the day when this shit exists.
>>161976007
I played a plague doctor build in the Luna, dark fog(without batstaff cause I didn't know lol) with like zero HP and stamina at a level where if you were poisoned your ass was dead yet if they got to me I died. It was a super fun time running all over that cramped space making poison killboxes.

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>>161975972

Also, not a webm, but holy shit is the name filter retarded.

>>161975140
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>>161975972
>>161975989

How many of these are from the early PC versions of DS2, which were the buggiest, vs how many of them are from SOTFS or the more stable console releases?

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>>161976035
giant but hole

>>161976110
Most are from people with zero agi, running in and trying to i-frame through shit. Not that I'm defending agi, but you have to play by DS2's rules if you don't want bullshit to happen. Although a few of them are real bullshit, like the giant hitbox on stomp.

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>>161976110
sotfs kept most of the bugs from vanilla and added some of its own, on pc and console

>>161976182
Absolutely agreed

I will concede that DS2's animations sometimes don't always line up with the hitboxes, but it's been proven many times that iframes aren't static or instant like in DS1 and can be clipped by NPCs if their hitbox stays out for a long time, like with the giants.

>>161968891

Has anyone used a Black Knight weapon on that abomination to see if it's a chaos demon?

>>161976105
>a game about knights
i don't remember seeing a single horse mounted warrior :^)
>>161976110
why would it matter? it's not like it's a rogue port causing engine problems. from knew it would be on pc and released it with all the 60 fps problems

>>161975989
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>>161975431
Yeah, in DaS2 you just gotta rely on iframes. Hitboxes are often times very bad

>>161976217

>I believe I can fly...

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>>161976007
Bastille is pretty shit for invasions in general. There's at least one invasion spot that can potentially perma lock you from reaching a host (a spawn spot with a bunch of explosive mummies and a gate you need to activate with a switch which invader can't do) and a few possibilities for a host to simply become unreachable because there's no way for invader to reach upper level of Bastille if side passages with lift is not opened by a host and the only detour leads through the boss room which invader can't enter.
Unfortunately in terms of invasions DS2 is simply fucked beyond any repair.

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>>161976380
DO NOT TOUCH THE SKY
OR ELSE YOU WILL DIE

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>>161976114

Jesus christ DS2 looks goddamn unplayable now after playing BB and DS3

>people seriously comparing DS1 twinkling to DS2 twinkling

>7 estus flasks that MIGHT fully heal you at a low enough level
>versus up to 99 humanity and twin humanity

>The ability to kill in one riposte with buffs and hornet ring while using specific weapons
>versus the ability to kill in one backstab without even needing hornet

>+2 pyro flame with maybe 20/20 if you're using priestess and scholar rings
>+5 ascended flame, no scaling

The only leg up DS3 invaders have is that low sl prisoners chain might be better than low sl ds1 fap. The fact that ds1 invaders can accidentally invade 125s doesn't affect players who've had twinks appear in their world, it's a moot point.

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>>161976524
dont worry anon
bloodborne is bugged to shit too

How damage works in dark souls 2:

Multiple your physical defense by 0.1, subtract that from any physical damage you take.

Elemental damage is reduced by a certain amount with 800 = invulnnerable and 0 = 10%

How damage SHOULD work in dark souls 2:

Every armor should have varied defenses for strike vs thrust vs

There's a % damage reduction the more defense you have, but if your defense > damage, then you take ~half damage from that attack.

So something like drakekeeper set should give you ~800 slash defense and and 500 strike and thrust defense. So if someone 2HR2s a 350 AR hammer, they would do a lot more damage than a 1HR1 600 AR greatsword because they're matching their AR output to your armor type

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Where do you think DLC2 entrance will be?

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>>161976637
someone did the math for ds2 defenses already
i'd post the actual numbers but tl;dr
>Being naked with steel protection +0 is better than wearing 40.2 weight of armor
>Being naked with steel protection +2 is nearly as good as wearing full Havel's+5

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nth for 1500 damage true combos.

>>161976713

They'll put a new NPC at the Distant Manor bonfire and he'll teleport you there.

>>161976592

Oh no I meant speed.

I'd probably fall asleep grinding through DS2s slow combat.

>>161976750
>no bleed proc required
He must have been wearing the chain or something

>>161976615
what game?

>>161976713
I think that DLC 2 will be lategame unlike the first.
If it's connected to the Angels, make the entrance at the top of a tower with 3 angels ambushing you, maybe via a body of Gertrude that gives you pillars of light.
If it's connected to the Profaned Flame, make it via the small chapel in a middle of poison lake with manus hands.

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>>161976874

nope, he wasn't

>>161976748
This is beyond retarded.

>>161976750
noice. r1l2r1?

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>>161968891

>>161976880
my guess is the blank wall at the distant manor fire will be replaced with a portal/new room for one
the other will be in smouldering lake/demon ruins and require a key item from the archives to access

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>>161976524
Glorious.

>>161976968
also, iron flesh+steel protection+0 halves all physical damage taken
iron flesh+steel prot+2 reduces it by 2/3rds

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>>161976615

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>decided to make a DS3 STR run
>full millwood gear with greatbow, arrows, axe, follower spear and arbalest in less than 2 hours
>enough heavy gems for all i want right now
Can we all agree that STR builds in DS3 are the comfiest?

>>161977173
>>161976615

Holy shit, nobody cares about your personal drama. Go jerk off somewhere else.

>>161977135
What about full Havel's with steel protection +2, numbness and/or iron flesh?

>>161977179
>bows and spears
some strength build

>>161977179

I just wish the greataxe had at least as much range as a fucking longsword.

And I miss the demon greathammer.

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>>161977179
>millwood battle axe
>high damage, faster than a greatsword and simple moveset with modest range
>easy to get and a functional WA that aids STR weapon's lack of range
Yes.

>>161977309
So, in other words, realistic STR weaponry?
Never liked oversized dildos and aside from them previous souls games had barely anything to offer for STR builds.

I want to buy my younger brother (11yo) Dark Souls for christmas but he only has an xbone because that's what my retard parents bought him. Is the 360 version of das compatible with the xbone? Is it worth paying for a year of xbone live or whatever the fuck microsoft's scam paid online shit is called or will he literally never be invaded or see summon signs?

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>>161977332
>almost 600 pure physical AR on 66STR build with warcry WA buff
>100% physical resist WA shield with regen effect
>comfy armor set

>>161977479
Yes it's compatible. Invasions are rare so I wouldn't bother if your budget is tight. If not, 60$ really isn't that much for a year

>>161977479
If he has access to a pc capable of playing DS1, you should get the steam version instead.

Or DS3/2.

>>161977179
How much str and vit are you doing? What class did you start with. I'm thinking of a str run for my next character

>>161977384
>Never liked oversized dildos
"str weapons" isn't about the str scaling being better, since that reflects nowhere in the gameplay. the "oversized dildos" are the characteristic big, slow heavy weapons. you're closer to quality weapons. realistic but not pansy ass
quality has gotten a bad name because from can't balance for shit and made the refined gem an overpowered fuck. in truth bows, halberds and greatswords are some of the comfiest weapons around

>>161976748
Wrong

The numbers are:

((AR) - (physical Defense/10)) * 5/6 * (swing modifier)

Naked with steel protection is ~250 defense.
Havel's is ~1200 defense.

400 AR weapon 1HR1 vs 250 def: 312 damage
400 AR weapon 1HR2 vs 250 def: 375 damage
400 AR weapon 1HR1 vs 1200 def: 233 damage
400 AR weapon 1HR2 vs 1200 def: 280 damage

So you can see how it starts mattering less at higher ARs. But if you don't believe me, stack physical defense and then watch someone try to spam a rapier or warped sword on you. You'll take ~100 damage per hit wheras naked you can take 2-3x that.

Elemental damage is a linear reduction though. I think the breakoff points are around 300 AR. Below that, physical is weaker for each point of AR, above that it depends on their elemental defense. At ~500 elemental defense, physical is always better for the same AR.

Basically it means that light weapons are fucking useless against tanks, but heavy weapons are useless against twinks. This gets washed out in the meta though, since rapiers high counter damage makes up for that.

No dispelling ring: You're going to get fucked by elemental damage
Dispelling ring: AR for AR it's about the same
Dispelling ring + GMB: Physical damage will always be better, any infused weapons will be at a waste / disadvantage against you.

When it comes to weapon infusions, basically if it's over 300 AR, split damage + infusion is always better UNLESS they use either GMB or dispelling ring, in which case RoBFlynn + Sacred chime is always better. If they use both GMB and dispelling ring, then physical is better than infused+buff, even without any physical buffs.

>invaded with 50 hp and no flasks right before I was about to go home
>guy sees it after he zones my stickform down and engages in mutual fisticuffs
>runs away and jumps off the cliff

th-thanks ;_;

>>161977779
>>161976748
Ring of Steel Protection works differently against NPCs than it does PvP, unless that's what you're referring to

>>161977256
no idea, id have to reinstall ds2 and get the sotfs cheat table again
but i can do the math and get an estimate
>flat 35% from numbness
>+100 each from the ring+iron flesh
>1161 slash defense form full havels+5
assuming youre hit by a ng+ lionclan warrior (which i used to test my other maths on), you'd take 860 damage if you were completely naked with base 50 defense
from what i can gather with all that defense, you'd take around ~30 damage

>>161977969
>30 damage

jesus. that's cool

>>161978009
i dont think numbness and iron flesh stack though, so its just conjecture

>>161977873
I thought that only happened in 3

>>161975792
one of enb's best recent streams was when he had his friend ryan in the studio with him and shooting the shit. he didn't stream any souls but the stream was pretty chill.

>>161977705
I want him to start with das as I think it has a slightly better and more cohesive world/level design and more intuitive mechanics. As much as I love ds2 I don't trust my 11yo brother to wrap his head around adp and iframes and guard breaks and those kinds of things.

>>161978068
o well. Might actually try to do a co-op build in 2 with shitloads of hp, vit and stamina, heavy armor, steel protection and red eye ring. Sounds like fun

>>161977723
I don't want to go past SL100 with him so probably 39VIG/25END/40STR, the rest of the points i'm going to shuffle around for a bit till i find a good combination of medium/heavy armor fashion.
As for a base class, thought about warrior initially but knight is simply more optimal if you want BOTH equip load and higher amount of FP as this build uses a lot of weapon arts from millwood and follower gear.
>>161977731
>since that reflects nowhere in the gameplay
It is reflected in a process of character building first and foremost, just like in every single rpg out there. Never was a fan of unrealistic slabs of iron and if there's a possibility for a one-stat STR build utilizing weapons that have either full STR scaling or at least 70-80% of it, i see no reason why it shouldn't be called a STR build.

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Just a reminder that stealth is indeed an option in particular areas.

>>161976960
Well meme'd then

>>161979095
>slumbering

You know the ring is so strong you could just walk running right?

>>161979095
Also works really well in Irithyll Dungeon.

>>161979095
>not just using hidden body and sprinting through every area

Get a load of this NOOB

>>161979095
This whole segment is way funnier if you play as an infiltrator slipping past enemies and attacking them from behind.

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Anybody wanna join my run through Crux Woods on PC?

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>>161979161
Yeah, but also you don't even need that to stealth.

>>161979095
t. Claire

>straight swords still have busted range
thanks tanimucrap

>>161979052
my point is that str and dex might as well be damagestatA and damagestatB. only in ds3 some steps have been made to make str and dex reflect on aspects other than damage somehow, even if very elementary, with the extra fire defense from str and fall damage defense from dex. it still has long ways to go before it makes str and dex be actually different
ds3 is a good a example why that is. exile gs has the same moveset as the kumo but one is better sharp and the other is better refined. does that mean they play differently? no, not on their own. they may play somewhat differently in tandem with other weapons you can use efficiently in the same build, but not within themselves.

>>161979381
man this segment was spooky as hell, but clearing them all out and getting like 30k echoes was awesome

>>161980045
But they felt more different before because if someone said they were making a dex build, you knew exactly the weapons they were going to use.
Same for str.
3 hurts this more because a quality build uses optimally almost every weapon and at least one very good weapon in each class.

A str build is pretty much a Yhorm/millwood axe build and a dex build is quills/chaos blade

GIVE PEOPLE A FUCKING WAY TO GIVE UP IN ARENA FFS

>>161980263
What do you think the pillar is there for?

>been using zweihander in DaS3
>having incredible difficulties with it
>switch to a straight sword
>game is easy
Wow fuck, large weapons did a complete 180 in this game, didn't they?

>>161980258
Quality builds only really matter if you level up past SL100. Prior to that all physical builds have a nice list of pros and cons.

>>161980263
What I do when I'm done with my opponent that refuses to fight: Equip mimic head, jump off the pillar.
Alternatively, unplug ethernet cable

>>161980389
If you're talking about PvE, the Zweihander has been much better for me than using a Longsword.

>>161980339
no, in group fights, you have to wait the timer
and even then let me just black crystal out, it was in dark shit 2

>>161980464
Yeah I'm talking about PVE. I'm just getting decimated by everything with my zweihander and there's no consistency due to the random enemy dodges, but this astora straight sword is just raping everything left and right and it's +4, and my zwei was +6. What the fuck man.

>>161980503
You signed up for arena faggotry, you deserve to suffer

>>161976880
> hands hands

>>161980258
so? say i want to make a dex build using katanas, curved swords and spears or some shit. but fiddling i around with the numbers reveals that refined gem gives a better bang for the buck than a sharp gem. what's more it actually opens up other weapons to also be very efficiently used. so i ask
what's wrong with that

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What happened?

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>>161980532
>this straight sword
Which one? Anri's / Raw ASS?

My SUAIHUNDER is very good with the Heavy Infusion, you just gotta learn the spacing with it.

>>161980564
either that or ganksquads outside

How the FUCK do you counter Greatswords? Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give SS's insane poise HA, longer reach, and a lot more damage at the cost of being just a little slower?

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>>161980674
Raw ASS. It probably didn't help that my zweihander is blessed for hp regen between fights.

>>161980659
People are tired of feigning interest in a bad souls game that's linear as shit, with minimal replayability.

Invasions no longer based on SL
Invasions are now based off weapon memory
Did I fixed ds3

>>161979095
posting webms? you're getting cursed

>>161980631
Because that removes meaningful choices. If a build can hardswap to nearly every weapon in the game and use it optimally, instead of a similar fraction to other builds, there is no tradeoff. A dex build is a good thing for the game since it can't touch ultras, just like a a str can't use katanas and rapiers.
If quality can use them all, they can just hardswap mindlessly.

>>161980674
>Heavy Infusion
Why?

>>161980768
>Blessed mainhand
What the FUCK are you doing

>>161980768
>zweihander is blessed for hp regen
LMAOO
Blessed infusion is literally the worst infusion in terms of damage and should only even be considered for parry shields or offhand items. Take off the infusion with a Shriving Stone or switch it to quality.

>Raw ASS
RAW ASS is the Drake Sword of this game, no wonder then.

>>161980659
decent numbers for a mainly solo game with multiplayer elements

>>161980775

it's not a bad souls game, the replayability is in the pvp.

if you legitimately play any souls game multiple times specifically for the single player experience then you were probably dropped on your head as a child, sorry not sorry.

>>161980659
>1's viewers slowly increasing as 3 and 2's ones die

Have people finally acquired taste?

>>161980786
>99 in all stats
>invade with a plus 1 lorian's or some other four way scaler
sure did
>>161980917
no, it removes having to sacrifice one weapon or the other
>hardswap mindlessly
if you WANT to be confined to certain weapons, you dont have to use them. but don't act like being able to is a bad thing

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>>161980906
What?

>>161980980
>>161981008
Ehh, shit was OP as fuck in Demon Souls so I decided to give it a try. Didn't even come close.

>>161980980
>Why?
I have a STR build so I made it Heavy so it scales better with strength.

>>161980768
>Leveling two stats simultaneously rather than focusing on one at a time
>Blessed zwei
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>161980786
>lv200 +3 weapon
Sure it did :^)

>>161980786
how would that fix anything? only thing that needs fixing is to put a limit on re-summoning phantoms and remove giant seed from the game entirely.

>>161981069
>DS3
>PvP
>worth playing at all
Ha

>>161981136
It's never been a problem in any of the other souls game, but it's a problem in this one for some reason.

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>>161980659
soulbrandt and co have moved onto greener pastures. if your job is streaming, it makes sense to appeal to the largest audience possible - pic related :^)

shitposting aside, das3's pvp content isn't interesting so the only shit that really gets any views is speedrunners like lobos and that dude with the shyguy avatar

>>161981116
Having to sacrifice a weapon for another is good.
The weakness of a build should be certain tools aren't available to it.
Quality doesn't have to make a choice between HA weapons, fast ones or long range ones, which is why it's harmful to the game.

>>161981129
What is your str /dex?

>>161981069
>playing the games the way the developers intended it is playing it wrong
You're a retard.

>>161981195

>being a contrarian faggot

okay you've had your fun shitposting kiddo, now go take your ADHD medication already.

>>161981278
Are you really so bored that you feel the need to shitpost this hard?

>>161981182
>Remove seed
Why are invaders little babies?

>>161980659

Souls is a stale meme, nobody wants any of that anymore and the PvP is shit in every single one, just different kinds of shit in each of them, you just have to decide what kind of shit you like. Most people just decided to stop eating shit alltogether.

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>>161981227

but speedrunning is literally the most boring thing possible, they're just running through the same game over and over again trying to skip everything. invasions are novel experience every time. the only streams i watch related to souls games are invasions, just the other day i was able to co-op invade twice with a streamer at SL35 +4 and it was a lot of fun, we won against ganks both times.

also soulbrandt fags having their numbers drop is hilarious.

Dark Souls 3 is bad but at least it's not dark souls 2 amirite??

>>161981182
This.
Not like seed makes invasions unwinnable but i certainly would prefer that shit to stay in DS2 or at least give friendly fire to hist and his butt buddies.

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>>161981235
I don't remember off the top of my head but 30+, maybe 35.

>>161981227
ENB gets some views occasionally too, although I think his Bloodborne streams are much more popular.

>>161981497
Stop watching any% and watch real runs like all bosses

>>161981232
>Having to sacrifice a weapon for another is good.
no it's fucking not. are you one of those people who think that "pvp meta levels" are established so that you have to make sacrifices? if they were about making sacrifices, they would be much lower. no, the point is to make AS LITTLE sacrifices as possible while maintaining a relatively low level as to not take forever to reach it
there is nothing intrinsically superior about being inferior, only the pseudo-depth simulated by self-imposed "choices". like saying wacky challenges is the only real way to play the pve

>>161969215
>t. mommas special boy

do you have enough good boy points for tendies?

>>161981420
>4v1 with the ability to run/roll away forever and resummon any that die over and over again with fully refilled estus is not enough, no we must also take away the one advantage invaders could possibly have too!

Wow.

We share a general with these sorts of people.

I'm glad souls is becoming less popular. That means only the cozy enthusiasts remain.

>>161981497
Its a great justice that the people who pushed pvp into bullshit min/max autism at an increasingly faster pace each game are now paying the piper as interest in the games themselves wanes.

What a time to be alive that all the souls youtubers, and streamers are in for a colossal ass-devastation in the coming years when souls content is long gone, and public interest with it.
>>161981570
He gets round 1-2k per BB stream because he boycotted playing it due to Jelly, gets less and less each DS3 stream, and practically none when not streaming souls.

Remove seed.
But invaders work like DeS towards mobs.

>>161981698
>Wah I can't hide behind mobs for the entire duration of the invasion timer anymore
You're the reason seed was added desu

>Scott made a video on the WA shield cancel
>Everyone will think I am copying him
Fuggg

>>161981628
Except the meta levels in all other games have sacrifices.
When I see a 2kat guy, I know he'll never swap for a DBS out of nowhere and this is a very good thing.
The meta levels in all souls games make every build have something they excel at that no one else can force themselves into and this is what makes them better.
The lack of sacrifices is the very thing that hurts 3's PvP and why *unzips carthus/pole* is so common compared to how it went in the others.

>>161981712
We just need the casuals and new blood that started with 3 to leave and this community will be maximum comfy again.
Making a niche fame like souls incredibly accessible opens the doors for some shitty individuals

>>161981625

literally all speedrun content is boring as fuck. i'm sorry but it is, i'd never waste my time with that stuff. and i have watched speedruns before, both of souls games and other games, and it's just painfully boring.

pvp is what has novelty to it, and invasions have the most "who knows wtf is going to happen" with them, they're different every time. the only reason I still play DaS3 is for invasions (mostly at SL60 +6 and below now), and I'll probably keep playing it for as long as there are still people actually trying to progress through the game that I can invade. it's fun.

>>161981420
>invaders are willing to fight 4v1
>with a health penalty
>with a resource disadvantage
>with that numbers and resource disadvantage being ramped up even more due to infinite phantoms
>with autosummon covenants which can be equipped on the fly
>with From actively pushing updates to trivialize the pve component of the game to allow your phantoms to faceroll the game even more (Updated multiplayer in the Painted World of Ariandel so that guests can also fight Sir Vilhelm)
>not enough host advantages
lmao

>>161981979
That's you i guess. Invasions are all the same and do nothing but waste time for me. See no point in people trying to be "competitive" in a souls game. Id I wanted meaningful pvp I'll play Street fighter or an RTS

>>161981938
>Except the meta levels in all other games have sacrifices.
yes but because if they didnt have them, the meta would be overbloated
>When I see a 2kat guy, I know he'll never swap for a DBS out of nowhere
because second chance is pretty much a must
>this is a very good thing
care to explain how?

>>161982157
What the fuck does invasions have to do with competitive you retard - That's dueling. Invasions are the complete antithesis of people treating souls like a competitive fighting game.

>>161982041
yes yes we know how much you miss going to the burg and one shotting people with your chaos zwei. Im so sorry you can't grieve people anymore :((

Go duel if you want 1v1

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>>161981954
>We just need the casuals and new blood that started with 3 to leave
>new blood that started with 3

Before 3 it was new blood that started with 2
Before 2 it was new blood that started with 1's PC version
Before 1's PC version it was the people who started with 1

And I doubt that you started with Demon's Souls. Probably a PCuck that started only after the pc release.

>Making a niche fame like souls incredibly accessible opens the doors for some shitty individuals
If Souls was still a niche game we wouldn't have had Dark Souls 1 or Bloodborne.

I'm an Xboner, but I honestly think the community would be better if the games were Sony exclusives. Yes, I hate the Sonybronies that act super elitist over the exclusivity of Demon's Souls / Bloodborne, but Sony guarantees both quality and a smaller, but dedicated playerbase.

>DaS2 shitposting
I love how you dastards missed out on the best multiplayer in the series for bloodbore and nooneevencared souls 3.

>>161981842
>host and phantoms trying to get through level to boss
>invader is like a mini boss, an additional enemy to stop you from getting to the boss

This is how invasions are meant to go ideally. If you really expect me to 1v2 or 1v3 you straight up then you're fucking retarded, I'll happily 1v1 hosts but ideally I'm catching people and their friends going through the level trying to get to the boss, not professional gank squads who cleared everything out and seeded, have super twinked out characters and are just sitting there waiting with their super overleveled friends (yay downscaling not doing anything about fully upgraded shields, maxed out stamina or FP or INT/FAI for huge damage etc) to melt invaders. That's not fun, that's just some weird pseudo-duel where instead of a fair 1v1 it's still a duel but the scales are tipped extremely heavily in the host's favor, where he has buddies he can resummon infinite times and I'm alone.

I mean fuck just man up and run to the boss if you seriously can't handle it. Using a seed when you already have the numbers advantage, +30% health and twice the estus is the most childish temper tantrum throwing crybaby thing possible.

>>161982303
>first line says I'm fine with fighting 4v1's
>ignores it and brings up what was most likely a personal DaS1 invasion experience that has to this day left him with some form of ptsd about getting invaded
lmfao

>>161981898

Welp, that didn't take long, did it?

Time for a patch.

>>161982253
Really? Look at this thread you have invaders bitching about not being able to have 1v1s or a fair fight. These are the people that invaders currently. And with how small the build variety and weapon variety is in souls 3, after your first 3 invasions you pretty much seen it all.
The sad reality is that PvP is just a afterthought for the souls games, added only to artificially extended the online activity many many months after the game has shipped. These games are made for the PvE

>>161972556
no. Depending on your build the King of Storms is the trickier part of the fight

NK himself is easy enough to iframe to death, can be riposted multiple times, and stacking thunder stoneplate and a LK shield is enough to cover any fuckups long enough to estus

>>161981420
Seed makes the pvp environment much more fun and chaotic.

>>161982476
Nips are calling for a nerf on it, although not sure if From even listens to them anymore. Doesn't look good, but this is assuming From can even patch it - Looking at their inability to patch out tumblebuffing, it remains to be seen.

>>161982512
I'm seeing people complain about the seed, not multiple opponents. Any invader that isn't willing to fight at the numbers disadvantage much less enjoy it is ass.

>These games are made for the PvE
rofl, please see
>>161982451

>>161982375
>Run to boss if you can't handle it
The point of invasions was to prevent the player from reaching the boss gate, if you let the host do that you failed as invader. Calling a host a pussy for completing the objective is pretty silly my famalam. Ain't no body have time to clear out the entire level because you want to play hide behind the mobs

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>>161981898
>being so thin-skinned that you relegate yourself to adopt completely opposite decisions to a person or group so as to not be associated with them

Anon, if your weaponfu becomes meta one day and Scott, reddit, /dsg/ or [getOnlineDarkSoulsPersonalityName(name);] starts to berate you for using her, would you stop?

Is this a "where you do think we are" tier question?

It is, isn't it?

Well, that's no good.

>>161982724
Yes I would stop.

>>161982204
Then why not apply the same to 3? This is a complaint about 120, but what gripes me the most aboyt it is how the build to run mostweapons is the same.

Second chance isn't that big of a gameplay effect. It's basically a everyone has extra health boost but doesn't change the way fights go. It's like saying FaP harms DaS's PvP.

It's a good thing because it gives strengths and weakness to different builds and a bigger amount of weapons are used and playing them feels different as most weapons strong in one build will have a similar feel but be unavailable to the others. If you ever had fights where you and another guy kept switching weapons non stop to "counter" each other since you could just slap any weapon you'll get what I mean.

>>161982375
this, invasions used to mean something. when you saw that invasion sign, it used to be an "oh fuck me" moment, a sense of dread. it's been reduced to a minor annoyance at worst, an estus refill at best. winning an invasion by killing the invader should be a very unlikely thing with a great reward, the standard winning condition being banishing the invader by crossing the boss gate
>>161982674
>Calling a host a pussy for completing the objective is pretty silly
it is, he doesn't do that. he says that the pussy thing is using seed

>>161982641
There is no point in further continuing this conversation if you legitimately believe these games were created with a pvp first mentality.

>>161982724
Scott jund has become /our guy/ for btfoing Reddit mods.

Can't believe anyone in this day and age has a problem with seeds. The pve is so brain dead easy how bad do you have to be to have problems with mobs. You know that mobs still aggro to host right? Just like DaS2 you pull shit to the host and make it chaotic for him too.

When did we get so many bad PvPers lately? It's like I'm on a Reddit thread where all they do is bitch because it's not a fair fight.
If you wanted a fair fight you're playing the wrong game or you should be playing arena

>>161968998
>chained prisoner
Not unique.
>ant queen
Not an enemy. Might as well include the repair powder tree in Shulva while you're at it.

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>>161982724

idk anon, not that guy but when i posted this webm before to make fun of this parry king i was told here on /dsg/ to eat shit for being a dirty dirty gargoyle FS user.

i still remember a time when spear users were laughed at and the weapon class was considered completely unusable and just ez parries all day. now because of jund it's meta and people hate you for using it, feels bad man.

>>161983104
>i still remember a time when spear users were laughed at and the weapon class was considered completely unusable and just ez parries all day
This has never been the case in any Souls game outside of shitter circles. Go figure, the most consistently reliable medieval weapon in history is such in a video game too.

Which one, dsg?

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/124065
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/124061

>>161982641
>I'm seeing people complain about the seed, not multiple opponents.

This. Can't stress this enough. Me and mobs vs. host and phantoms is balanced imo. From is never going to fix this though which is why I stick to low-mid level invading which generally solves that issue.

>>161982871
The only reason Souls is here now is because multiplayer.

>>161983104
Scraping Spear, Demon Spear, Stone Soldier Spear, Arcane Rifle Spear, and now Gargoyle Spear

What do you means that spears were never good

>>161983220
spears and pikes had a bad habit of getting caught in armor though
maces, and hammers especially, were far more consistent and usable
not to mention outright ignoring armor and breaking bones , or concussing on a decent head hit

>it's another "invader cries bitch tears because he can't effortlessly slaughter hosts anymore" episode
Who writes this shit and when are they getting fired?

>>161983258
Mobs being neutral is balanced. I don't understand why people think seeds make them target the invader exclusively

>>161982820
it's not like you can't hardswap anyway, you are only more confined in what you can hardswap to.
>Second chance isn't that big of a gameplay effect
no, but it demanded extra stats and that extra 50% hp was too good to pass up
>Then why not apply the same to 3?
apply what? the bloating? i dont make the meta, im just a random fag trying to explain to another random fag why the str/dex dichotomy isn't that important
now, if str would affect, say swing speed and carry weight and dex would affect "armor ignoring" and roll length or something similar, then yes, str builds would have something to actually separate them from dex builds

>>161983368
Was scraping spear actually a viable PvP weapon? I never had the chance to experience online DeS and thought it was only used for spicy equipment breaking memes. Was it serious?

>>161982512

No one is complaining about fighting multiple opponents, where do you see that? Seed is the problem, invaders are supposed to be able to fight alongside mobs as their single advantage, which when you consider how abusable the system is for hosts is really almost nothing.

The game's only saving grace is that there are low to medium levels of play where most players are still naturally playing the game and don't know how to abuse the system to the extreme. You get to meta level aldrich invasions at SL120-140 and it becomes a complete shit show, where you even get gank squads that summon 3 phantoms AND a red soapstone summon (who is embered and takes up an invader slot) so they can 1v5 people. It's pretty sickening.

>>161982724
That looks impractical. Why can't someone just lunge and stab him?

>>161983438
>spears and pikes had a bad habit of getting caught in armor though
Not a downside as spears and pikes were used in formations. If one guy snags your armor, five other guys are going to stab your immobilized ass.

>>161983510
> invaders are supposed to be able to fight alongside mobs
Says you?
The game says otherwise, so I don't think you can speak for the developers when they themselves put in seed.

>>161983291

My first playthrough took me around 50 hours, I currently have over 550 hours in DaS3 now.

I've literally spent over 10 times the amount of time I did PvE doing PvP. It's the reason I still play the game. Specifically for invasions too, duels are lame, invasions are a unique experience you can't get in any other game.

>>161983634
Seed is Namco's pandering to casuals, that's why it's not in BB under a different name.
It won't be in the next spiritual sequel either

>>161983621
well yeah, but the longspears specifically made for use in formations were purpose built to not snag or catch
the spears im talking about, as in the ones used on horseback on 1 one 1 combat, werent, and getting your weapon caught in your opponents armor would be a death sentence

>>161981570
>picture
Poor enb.
Whore of a wife
insane sister
Daughter he's gonna lose in a custody battle
Career almost as stillborn as his latest attempts at children

I love how these new kids that started with 3 think they should be able to man through 3 summons and a host with no issue. Invasions are about you being crafty and resourceful even with seed. Stop being a big bitch and start playing differently. Put away your dark sword and use a great bow

>>161983513
They're using rapiers and maybe couldn't reach his poise breakpoints

>Slayer of Demons
>has a gf

>Bear of the Curse
>has a gf

>Ashen One
>has a harem

>The Hunter
>has a gf

>Chosen Undead
>

>>161982375
>invader is like a mini boss, an additional enemy to stop you from getting to the boss
this

invaders used to be bullies, with the only drawback being actual overleveled gankers, who are even bigger bullies

now they're seen as robin hoods by anyone who isn't shit at the game, it completely fucks the narrative

>If you really expect me to 1v2 or 1v3 you straight up then you're fucking retarded
letting an invader be outnumbered is fine; it isn't like ganging up on a twink in ds1 was putting the twink at a disadvantage, provided you summoned someone who wasn't a twink themselves

>>161982674
>The point of invasions was to prevent the player from reaching the boss gate
The point of invasions is to kill people and take their shit. You're looking at it from the host's perspective, not the invader's.

>>161982831
>invasions used to mean something. when you saw that invasion sign, it used to be an "oh fuck me" moment, a sense of dread
this for sure

>the standard winning condition being banishing the invader by crossing the boss gate
unless rolls and mobs were fixed, motivating hosts to do that is a bad idea, because it's only going to make invasions even harder

Right now, any good player should be able to flee to the boss fog from any invader, even if they've been invaded by the best player in the world. Anyone who seriously thinks reds can just "stop" a host from running to the fog is fucking retarded and probably thinks they need to kill all the mobs in an area before challenging the boss. The only exceptions to this are map-specific areas, like in the DLC where you can cut the bridge and make both bosses completely inaccessible, or in the catacombs where you can cut the bridge and use the DLC bow to knock people off the only remaining path. See the similarities though? You're pretty limited as far as keeping the host from fleeing goes, compared to DS1 where it was incredibly easy to just block hallways off or backstab people who tried sprinting past you.

>>161983926
Has good taste

>>161983761
Bb was in development before seed was a thing.

>>161983926
Has a chill bonfire.

>>161983452
>I don't understand why taking away the one potential advantage an invader has whilst he fights someone with numerous greater advantages is unbalanced

>>161984078
If you're so bad at PvP why do you bother PvP

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>>161983926
has the best

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How does it feel to get hit by sorceries and hexes ?

>>161982724

>Spinning in circles
Yeah great idea

If invasions always favor the host in all possible ways, why would anyone invade? You don't even get any real reward out of it in 3?
"Challenge" is not a legit response, that's what the PvE side of the game is for. Remember what the original idea of invasions was, back before DaS3.

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>>161983926
>The Hunter
>has a gf

That's a doll.

>>161983995
If you've ever looked how seed works, you'd see it's not that complicated.
Everyone in a world is divided into "teams", mobs (usually) are on the same team, as are hosts and his summoned allies. What seed does is simply move an invader from the mob team to a third team, making him able to be hurt and targeted by both.
It's so simple you can even create an artifical seed in 1 with CE

>>161983973
>motivating hosts
no motivation for that since there is no reward
>>161984181
eugh, normie

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>>161984269
>>161984181
>>161983926

Which is exactly how it should be. In the past games, dex and str had meanings behind them. Now we both agree in 3 they might as well be replaced by a single stat called melee, but while you don't seem to find this that bad, I think the lack of weapons that gain very little from one of these to the point you'd instead invest into HP or casting stats make the PvP more bland since the weapons that are worse but still ideal in these builds are discouraged from being used.

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>>161984169
ikr
literally untouchable

>>161984132
>anyone who wants balance is just bad
>anyone who'd ever suggested a CCS nerf is just "bad"
>anyone who'd wanted the caestus nerf was just "bad"
>but the people who defend having 4 allied phantoms with seed and the option to run to the boss fog unopposed are "good"
nice narrative you got going there

Lvl 30 deprived
30vig
15end
12vit
12faith
+3 Astora +3washpole(for runners) flame arc
15+10 Estus
Favor hornet prisoner lifering

Approved?

>>161984342
Meant for >>161983457

Invader Win Condition: Kill host.
Host win condition: banish or kill invader

Letting a host enter a boss gate means you lost as an invader. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand the invasion system.

>>161984269
>no reward
I mean, "not dying" is a reward, but fair point

>>161982831
>winning an invasion by killing the invader should be a very unlikely thing with a great reward, the standard winning condition being banishing the invader by crossing the boss gate

Hahaha, so you're straight up admitting that you just want invaders to roll over hosts unchallenged?

>>161984410
You can't even use a Washing Pole with that build.

>>161984173
To make people mad.
Anything else are excuses.
The only reason multiplayer in Souls exists is to annoy people, doesn't matter which side you're on or how you do it, you win as long as you get someone mad/salty/annoyed

>>161984406
You're playing the wrong game if you want balance PvP

>>161984559
Oh, I was just about to grab the ashes for it, I'm stupid, lol

>>161984538
The issue with PvP is that there's no reason to be a host. Even for duels, putting you RSS is better since you can get rewarded.
This means the only hosts you ever find are gankers or PvEfags

>>161984497
Actually, DaS3 is the first game to add an actual invader loss condition, because now when you die your bloodstain appears where you died in the world, not where you invaded from.

>>161984603
>you're wrong for wanting a game with shit PvP to improve

>>161984718
You don't know what are win/loss conditions, right anon?

>>161984669
The problem isn't invading PvEfags. The problem is that the PvP is so shallow there's not a lot of difference between a """pro""" PvPfag who invades daily and a PvEfag. So when you add summons into the mix you're pretty much forced to rely on the enemy being utterly retarded beyond the scope of PvP -or- PvE (e.g. getting baited off ledges) or fish for dumb instakills with Crow Quills and the like.

>>161984497
>Letting a host enter a boss gate means you lost as an invader.
>Losing means you lost
good job Einstein

the complaint people are voicing is that it's an unavoidable loss against anyone with half a brain with the exception of bridge patrol

anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't have half a brain

>>161984603
>nerfs I'd mentioned have actually happened
>implying this wasn't for the sake of balance
>completely unable to defend self
>has to completely drop good/bad narrative after my rebuttal

Keep the invasion system as is, but make invaders able to be rewarded stuff like upgrade materials from killing the hosts. The rewards get upgraded the more phantoms you kill in addition.

The downside should be that for every invasion, you 'bet' a certain amount of Souls and if you win the invasion, you get to keep the Souls but if you don't, you lose them. If you want to invade with no Soul cost, you'll invade with the 30% health decrease.