/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

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>chilling out in my empire just researching and chill
>suddenly fanatical purifiers declare war on me
>defend myself and protect my galaxy by wiping them out
>somehow I'M the bad guy

>The conditions under which war bears are prepared for their day on the battlefield is a closely guarded secret, though commonly-held assumptions are that these conditions probably are not great. One world-leading animal psychologist has noted that war bears, though all different, do seem to display acute signs of depression and anxiety, even more so than their human comrades fighting battle alongside them. The psychologist recommended that the bears be released back to nature at once. When faced with this accusation on a live telecast, representatives for the Ministry of Experimental Science responded by repeating the psychologist's words in a mocking, high-pitched tone, then ordered her to be incarcerated for treason.

I like that grim humor in the Red Alert games.

>>161552560
More like RA3 "humour". At least previous games were about Cold War memes, instead of "lol so random XD".

>>161552775
Dunno, I remember Red Alert 2 having very eeries descriptions when it came to backstories.

Why haven't you built a civilization to stand the test of time yet Anon?

Why haven't you made a general to stand the test of time, anon?

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It took me nearly two weeks of trying, but I finally beat the God damn AI on Immortal. God I hate barbarians so much.

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>>161554746
that's very nice :^)

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>>161553016
Because right now the planet is fucking dying and the top priority is to get the fuck off it.

Right. I am still trying to get a hang out Civ 6. I just started playing it. Seems like production and districts are really good this time. Is going wide the best method?

>>161556264
yes always

Does /civ4xg/ like Civ VI now?

>>161556553
Always to which?

>>161556721
your only question?

>You can make a pasture for horses
>But you still can't ride them even though you've domesticated them

Nani the masaka?

>>161556595
Not really.

>>161558583
Horseback riding I presume doesn't include bareback riding.

>>161558583
Pasture is for horse meat.

>>161558953
>eating horses
What the fuck.

What if Civ had victories where nobody loses?

>>161559210
Sounds gay

>>161552453
>le justifiable genocide meme

Is Civ 6 worth buying?
Can you patch the game if you pirate it?

How does one pirate DLC for Stellaris? I'm not paying those ludicrous prices.

>>161559039
>he's not a shamanistic steppe nomad living only on salty horse meat and raiding greenlanders

>>161558583
>research wheels
>make war chariots without horses

>>161559210
Sounds very American.
>>161560563
>Is Civ 6 worth buying?
Only if in discount. I would wait for some DLC's and buy a complete pack on discount if you can be patient.
>>161560932
You make niggers pull the carts.

>>161560857
Where can I find the DLC for CK2 while you are at it.

>>161560857
I want to know too
Should I just torrent this shit?

>>161552281
Which ethos is best ethos /civ4xg/ ?

>>161561498
Whichever one you like/gives you the coolest toys.

>>161561141
I think you should ask at /gsg/ for that dlc. But ever since the steamgroup idiots got the archive removed I don't know for certain they will have it.

Is Ascendancy good as far as space strategy games go?

>>161559039
>it's an American episode

>>161559210
>victory
>where nobody loses
u wot m8

>>161563142
Not him but that's technically already the case. A space victory doesn't entail 'losing' on the part of anyone else.
The same way there can be losers without winners, there exist winners without losers.
I'm not sure, though, what exactly he means. If it was one of those 'race to space' games then it'd probably work out fine if the guy who 'won' the space victory just disappears or something since they're off to Barnard's Star or some shit, but I can't really think of any other way. Diplomatic Victory I guess doesn't have any real losers either. In theory. It's what Firaxis would think, at least.

>>161563678
The other civs still lose if you get space victory you fucking retard by the mere fact someone has achieved a victory

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Does this mean I have the DLC enabled?

>>161563874
No, you have to re-buy them again, to support the starving swedes.

>>161563795
That's untrue though, and I'm not him.
I have no fucking idea what he's talking about or what he's suggesting, but 'winning without creating losers' is basically the entire idea of all the victory types besides Conquest and maybe Religious as theoretically nobody is worse off and people may actually be better off for it happening. Losers without winners is the entire concept of MAD, despite the idea that hey maybe you're not TOTALLY destroyed.
Furthermore I just fucking suggested if he meant something like a race for second place however retarded that may sound, because personally it is kind of bumfuck stupid sounding that you somehow 'lose' to a rocket setting up on Alpha Centauri, even if you proceed to dominate the entire globe within a few months of the rocket lauch.

>>161563874
Yeah, the UI is pretty unclear about it

>>161564012
If someone wins the game the rest are by fucking default, losers

>>161564079
>I refuse to read the post
>I refuse to see that the first poster was obviously asking for some changes in the mechanics and how victory is calculated
>I'm going to be asspained instead of understanding that I'm not actually on his side and simply saying that in reality, the conditions of the space victory isn't creating losers because nobody is actually getting hurt
It's the logic behind Kumagawa being the eternal loser, because it's not about whether or not he technically won the competition but that literally everyone ends up worse for it, himself included. Same shit with a 'victory without losers'.
I'm talking about the terminology and essentially arguing semantics. Stop being a kneejerking imbecile.

>>161564290
In the game there can be only one winner making your whole argument pointless

Is there a crack for the patch for Civ 6?

>>161564403
>in the game
First of all, there are plenty of games without winners, even in Strategy. For one, all of the Paradox games except the Hearts of Iron series completely lack winners, even in World Conquest.
Second of all, I'm not actually talking about the game, if you haven't fucking realized, but noting that there actually isn't a 'loser' in Space Victory, just people who failed to explicitly win. This, as opposed to Religion or Domination victories, where if you lose, you actually fucking lost.

>>161564538
>isn't a 'loser' in Space Victory, just people who failed to explicitly win.
>in a game where there can be only one winner
>not winning doesn't automatically mean you're a loser
Sounds like you're a cuck, go get your participation medal

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>>161564727
Let's make this clear - in strategy, a 'loser' generally denotes someone, who, you know, actually fucking lost something. A winner is someone who actually fucking won something. People who are neither are bystanders.
Get out of your gayman mentality, I'm literally not talking about the game right now.
If the United States of America launched a rocket tomorrow to Mars, does that mean everyone else lost? They probably lost the space race, sure, but not necessarily anything else, and almost certainly didn't lose anything they actually had instead of just 'future potential'. Compare that to the idea of the US going haywire and somehow conquering everyone on the globe, where, while the US also definitely won (unless they fall apart trying to administer it), everyone else actually lost everything.

>cuck
>using cuck unironically

>>161565030
In the settings and confines of a VIDEO game where 'winning' means being first to one of a set of objectives, and not being first means you agreed to lose then yes. If all nations of the world met at the UN tomorrow and said "Guys the first person to settle Mars wins best country award" and they all agree to it then YES objectively that means that everyone but the first did not win thus they lose.

Simply copying the DLC from a torrent into Stellaris/dlc/ seems to have done the job.

>>161566105
The definition of loser is not 'he who did not win', you idiot, and I already fucking told you I am not talking about the game. Can you not read?

I want swede cuckolds to leave. You have to tend rapefugees anyway, why the fuck are you slacking?

>>161566167
That's correct, it's one of the only redeeming qualities of Paradox's business model.
While DLC spamming is retarded and CK2 isn't worth 250 dollars or whatever the fuck it is now, it certainly is worth the base price of around 40 and you get years of support, free patches and content packs, the ability to enable and disable those content packs and change your game version to previous ones if you dislike the new changes, and even a relatively in-depth modding solution for the low low price of the release tag.

>>161566286
>waaah I can't fucking read and was exposed as a retard so I'm going to call people cuckolds in the hope that they'll cry and stop bullying me ;_;

Calm down faggots.

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Anyone where who has tried Dawn of Andromeda?

Just noticed the game on Steam today.

Seems to be some kind of Stellaris, SoaSE, MOO mix of game.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/427570/

>>161566382
You're literally just arguing semantics because you refuse to acknowledge someone who didn't win as someone who lost. Imagine how silly you would look out in the real world having this discussion.

>>161567751
>imagine how silly
I wouldn't look silly at all, because there is an actual distinction made between 'not winning' and 'losing' in the real world and there always has been. Losing means you've actually, you know, lost something. Winning means you actually, you know, won something.
Someone who didn't win in something like sports loses, because generally, the definition of losing there is actually 'to not win'. In strategy and NOT JUST GAMES, which is what I'm talking about, losing is completely a seperate entity from winning at all. You can win without causing anyone to lose, and you can lose without causing anyone to win.

>>161564012
Yes, if Babylonian astronauts depart to Alpha Centauri moments before Gandhi kills every non-Indian on Earth, the Babylonians win. This is because they have become an interstellar civilization whereas the losers are still fucking around on their home planet like they have been for the last 6000 years.

Of course the science victory doesn't make sense anymore, because all you're doing now is sending Matt Damon to Mars so that he can do 'science' (after being at the very end of the tech tree anyway) and then come back to whatever is left of Earth. But as Sid Meier envisioned it the science victory was legitimate.

>>161568286
I think they guy is trying to imply that just because a civilization reaches space exploration and habitation first doesn't mean they lost, because they can still go on while on Earth to win other victory methods and be remembered for it. In your scenario he is implying that Babylon and India won.

>>161568431
Yes, they can be remembered as quaint natives who got 2nd place, in the same way that the people in my slums in Stellaris are remembered for how much it costs for my spacefaring civilization to get rid of them.

>>161568286
>Yes, if Babylonian astronauts depart to Alpha Centauri moments before Gandhi kills every non-Indian on Earth, the Babylonians win. This is because they have become an interstellar civilization whereas the losers are still fucking around on their home planet like they have been for the last 6000 years.
That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Do you understand what losing actually means? I never denied that the Babylonians in that case would 'win'. I deny that the Indians have lost, since it's actually reasonable enough that the Indians, with their non-destroyed infrastructure, could create a far greater interstellar empire than the 1 pop city on Alpha Centauri without any home support.

>>161567658
Not yet. It's on my backlog, after Polaris Sector. Looks fine to be honest.

Stop hopping between real world and game definitions of terms to suit your argument. By the terms of a competitive game if you don't win then you lose when another person (the winner) reaches a required objective. This whole argument came from a guy asking about a victory condition in game where nobody lost, so stop bringing in real world scenarios. No, it is silly to have a victory condition in a competitive genre where everyone wins.

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>>161568849
>>161567658

One of the Steam curators mention that its the same development team behind Dawn of Andromeda as Lords of the Black Sun which was a very lackluster game with no updates.

I hope they've learned their lesson and do this one right.

>>161568978
>No, it is silly to have a victory condition in a competitive genre where everyone wins
Bbbut muh rewards for participation!

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>>161569294
All interest lost.

>>161568978
>Stop hopping between real world and game definitions of terms to suit your argument
>hopping
My very first fucking post >>161563678
made it entirely clear what was meant and I explicitly clarified multiple times later on that I've never been talking about the game and I'm not even the original poster and think his idea was stupid.

>competitive genre
>4x
>competitive
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA YEAH DAT FILTHYROBOT COMPETITIVENESS RITE EVERYTHING BE BANNED YO
Yeah, the original guy is a retard, but you're like the person who says Super Smash Bros is competitive, when it's actually only 'competitive' on Final Destination No Items or some shit. Civilization is not competitive.

Once again: I've never been talking about the game.
Once again: I'm not the original suggester.
Once again: The idea is retarded.
Once again: Stop pretending to be someone else and fuck off. You were retarded and forgot how to read, if you stop responding I'll have no way of identifying you again since your post style is pretty generic.

>>161569660
That UI is pure puke, what the fuck is going on down there?
>le heavy metal meme

>>161569653
Please stop talking about non-video game discussion then before we have to take action.

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>>161569807
>I simply can't admit I was a retard so I'm going to try banning off-topic but tangentially relevant discussion
>on a dead /vg/ general
>stop talking about strategy and the actual definitions of victory and loss in a war on one of the strategy generals, long basically just /his/ before /his/ even existed
???

>Watching Filthy playing Egypt
>Gets tons of the best wonders with China right next to him which gets none
>Hes boxed in on all sides and has the lowest military and tech
>Everyone scared to attack him and get banned from the group

Really makes you think

>>161570458
China not getting wonders in any game is a sign to me that something is wonky, since on even Epic speed they can literally buy a wonder in 4 turns time for a worker.

>>161570458
>Everyone scared to attack him and get banned from the group
That has to be the most pathetic thing i've heard so far, who even is this faggot

>>161570458
That has to be the worst thing I've heard today, who is this faggot?

>>161572342
>>161572565
Filthy Robot is a 'competitive' Civilization player
I feel like this thread used to like him until people from this thread started playing with him and getting horror stories of getting kicked and blacklisted for attacking him or trying to win.

>>161572724
Am I the only one who considers all Youtubers to be massive faggots by default?

How does this general feel about reboot of Master of Orion?

Because dlc with three "new" races is out.

>>161572874
Not all YOUTUBERS are massive faggots, but streamers almost always are. I mean, let's be real - most people who are worth shit at the game and actually care about the game would rather, you know, fucking play the goddamn game then watch an incompetent sperg about it online and stop to thank for donations.
Fuck's sake my fucking dad or sister are better 'streamers' since they managed to hold my attention when I was watching them play AoE as a kid.
I never stopped laughing myself silly at the ILoveTheMonkeyHead cheat

>>161573049
>Not all YOUTUBERS are massive faggots
I dunno. For me, every Youtuber that starts his video with "HEEELLLLOO" is a faggot, and 100% of the time, I'm proven right as he always talk more of himself than the game.

>>161573265
Youtubers and streamers are completely seperate entities. To me a youtuber is merely someone who uploads shit onto youtube. There are people who upload videos of bug lifecycles and shit or make AMVs, those are Youtubers too as far as I care.

>>161572724
His videos are informative but they're skewed because he bases his civ, civics, and wonder rankings on competitive play aka Fox only, final destination only, no items. Plus since hes kind of the face of the group he plays with everyone goes easy on him in matches because if they dare attack him early on then he will call them out as irrelevant and just trying to troll, even when they have a good chance of winning. His last match ended like this.

>3 relevant people left
>Filthy got 'bored' so he said they should call a three way draw
>One guy playing Germany was only a few turns away from space victory and declined
>Filthy and Japan start pming each other to cooperate and simultaneously nuke him and let Japan have the cities so they can two way draw

Obviously theres no 'rules' against cooperating against someone about to win, but its supposed to imply that both surviving players still intend to face off.

>>161572724
This general hasn't talked about him much.
His tier list in civ5 has been linked a bunch.

ecelebs haven't really been talked of much in this general historically.
Probably marbozir the most, then quill a bit.

>>161572724
his tier lists are the only okay thing about him, thats pretty much all that gets posted in here, but even then, most know he's a shitter who only plays in his own special snowflake games.

>>161573652
>His videos are informative but they're skewed because he bases his civ, civics, and wonder rankings on competitive play
Except they're not even that informative unless you play like he does. Even that guy for the AoE2 civilization rankings does far better, at least he actually takes different settings and gamemodes into account.
I mean no shit Viking civs are dogshit if you're on Pangea, but Harald is actually a nightmare on island maps and in CiV, Bluetooth was pretty good on island maps too because of his free disembark.

>Plus since hes kind of the face of the group he plays with everyone goes easy on him in matches because if they dare attack him early on then he will call them out as irrelevant and just trying to troll, even when they have a good chance of winning. His last match ended like this.
Exactly. He's a huge faggot who can't come to terms with the fact that people don't exist for his amusement and it isn't an honor to play with his sorry ass any more than it's an honor to play chess with the governor of NYC or some shit.

>>161573693
Quill is a huge fucking faggot.

>>161573652
>>161573910
This is fucking disgusting.

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Anybody here that played Warlords Battlecry 3?

>>161574089
Yeah.

Well, mostly Warlords Battlecry 2.

>>161574089
Yes a lot, go to /v/ though since it's not a 4x.

>>161574369
No, he's welcome to stay here.

>>161574212
Any difference between the 2?
I wanted to 3 a whirl since there is a stand-alone mod for it

>>161574089
You can stay here.

>>161574406
No he's not.
Your personal feelings don't trump board rules.

>>161574450
3 has a few more things. Other than that, nothing changed as far as I know.

>>161574521
>board rules
>board
>rules
You have literally no idea what you're talking about, by your bullshit everyone besides 4xg needs to fuck off to /v/.
4xg is not exclusively for 4x games. It's mainly for 4x games, but people who wish to talk about shit like Cossacks and Seven Kingdoms and Banished and whatnot are welcome to do so. Seeing as just that happened last thread with people actually talking about it and nobody saying 'fuck off', you are not permitted to dictate what is and is not allowed in this thread. Please lurk more.

>>161574687
It's just a newfag trying to make new rules.
Everyone agreed that civ4x is for strategy in general, back then when we dying. There are many newfags that only came recently and are trying to make rules.

>>161574765
I know, but I'd rather explain it to him lest he gets /gsg/'s steamgruppe to raid us. With one person. Probably him.

>>161574858
I bet he's the willy spammer that ruined the strategy general.

>>161574638
Anything I should look out for?
How strong are the undead?

>>161574969
The undead are the weirdest of the bunch. They don't train their units normally : all their infantry starts as unexpensive skeletons, and you upgrade them by paying.

Just get a necromancer or a demon summoner hero and you have a huge advantage.

Otherwise, be careful for shitty pathfinding. I don't know how to explain it, but when a group of unit move, each unit has its own path, so two units will try to use different paths to reach the same point. It's a bit complicated.

Also :
DEAD HEROES ARE DEAD UNTIL THE END OF THE MAP.
Rush the enemy hero as quickly as possible and the AI is fucked up. Get your hero killed, and you're fucked up. Only the HQ and the general can capture ressources points.

Be careful for units having a high combat stat. That stat determines their damage, and works pretty much like a multiplier. A Doom Knight with a damage of 25 will often land critical strikes for, what, 2x the damage? Enough to kill a lot of things in three hits.

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>>161574521
/civ4xg/ is /refugeestrategy/ for the ones that can't sustain themselves, this was a thing we basically agreed upon during the summer and end of summer. The only reason we're not /strategy/ is because the one time someone tried, some other anon actually went to /gsg/ and said 'go raid these fucks'.
If you're not shitposting and just new, that's the story behind it.

>>161575462
We even have some city-building once in a while.

>>161575462
This experiment is silly. Theres nothing wrong with avoiding an action if theres lots of historical proof (even if its not recent) that doing the action is bad.

>>161575290
Alright thanks
Do they spread corruption like the undead in WC3?
Are resources infinite?

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>>161575462
>because as far as they know, that's the way it's always been done around here
>mfw literal fucking monkeys are less cancerous than newfags and know what lurking means

>>161575931
I don't think the experiment is meant to prove anything, just an experiment into social animal behaviour.
What I believe the experiment is stressing is that those new monkeys continue to try and 'fit in', despite not know the reasoning behind it, however sound it may have been. Similarly, the point is that social animals create a 'culture' around themselves, many times for much the same reason just grander or in the case of humans more in-depth with their own provided reasoning. I mean, why exactly is a frontal assault considered honorable in Medieval Europe but simply retarded in the same time period in China? It's really a matter of traditions and 'culture'. That monkey population has created a 'culture' of never touching the banana, despite it looking like free food.

>>161576213
But they werent trying to just 'fit in' pointlessly. The previous monkeys communicated to them what happens if anyone ascends the ladder. Do people not think monkeys can communicate relatively complex reasoning like history?

>>161576170
No. All factions play the same (build HQ, build workers, build barracks/demon pit/war tree). The undead are the fancier of the lot, since they just spam skeleton and upgrade them. All the others nations are extremely similar, to compensate for them being varied.
Ressources are finite, and limited to the various mines you find. Some factions (like the elves) can create older wisps that generate crystal, but other than, nothing but mines.
You can either convert mines with your hero or your general, and get ressources at a VERY slow rate, or destroy them for 100 ressources (more or less). They get rebuilt later, but lose some ressources in the process. You can send workers in the mine, to a maximum of 8 per mines (dwarves counts for 2, so you only need 4 of them), but they're lost if the mine is destroyed, hence why a demonist/necromancer hero is interesting, as he can summon zombies/imps. A demonist can even summon a portal and get two imps for one summon.

>>161576389
The idea is that it doesn't actually matter whether or not it was communicated. The first five monkeys beat everyone that comes close to the ladder. Gradually, each of the replacement monkeys learns that, for WHATEVER REASON, you can't go near the ladder. Let's just say 'reason X'.
Now imagine that a sixth monkey manages to climb the ladder...and nothing happens. There's a very good chance that he might be beaten regardless, because the original reason no longer matters - all that does matter is that their 'culture' involves not climbing the ladder. Is this reasonable? It actually is even if they're not being sprayed with water.
Now, with five monkeys, the problem is that it's fairly easy for one example to break apart the culture, with or without communication. What about ten thousand monkeys? Won't be so easy. If anything, the monkeys might try to rationalize why they were stopping themselves, because that's their way of life.

>>161576726
No it wasnt FOR WHATEVER REASON. The previous monkeys were informing the new monkeys each time about exactly what happens when you touch it. It doesnt matter if all the new monkeys never saw the incident unfold. They have extensive historical evidence that it happened.

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>>161576506
Do new mines spawn when there are no left?
So I can basically zerg rush the enemy Hero?
Sounds kinda overpowered

>>161577017
Only first 5 monkeys had "extensive historical evidence" though. All others got their info by communication.

>>161569653
Extreme autism

>>161577074
>Do new mines spawn when there are no left?
Not that I know of, I never ran out. But there are theorically enough ressources to last the entire game. It's not Command and Conquer or Starcraft where you run out of ressources. More than the amount of ressources left, it's a bit like Supreme Commander, you just want to get them more quickly.
>So I can basically zerg rush the enemy Hero?
Given how retarded the AI is, you can. If you attack it, it'll try to run away, but it'll walk out immediately after. Also, play without the fog of war. The AI doesn't have it and knows exactly where the neutral monsters are, where the mines are, also, you start the skirmish with two towers that can easily kill your hero.

Because in case you don't know it, heroes are consistent in that game, and WB3's biggest improvement is that your hero can now level on the field instead of having to wait for the game to end.

>>161577017
And I'm telling you that it literally doesn't matter whether or not they know why or if they have the right reason. It has at that point become irrelevant to the idea that they have developed a 'culture' where certain things are taboo.
The second five monkeys know by hearsay of the original first hand witnesses. If we do it again, they know by hearsay of hearsay, and so on and so forth. By the tenth time, is it even 'water' being sprayed at them anymore? Was the water hot or cold? Did you have to try grabbing the banana or just climbing the stairs at all?

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>>161577328
>there are theorically enough ressources to last the entire game
good
So I dont have to rush like a madman
> The AI doesn't have it and knows exactly where the neutral monsters are, where the mines are, also, you start the skirmish with two towers that can easily kill your hero.
So its an AI like in Company of Heroes or C&C great
> heroes are consistent in that game
So kinda like Spellforce
Neat
Do dead Heroes perma die or only till the end of the match?

>>161577837
>Do dead Heroes perma die or only till the end of the match?
Depends. You have an ironman mode when you create your hero. It's something like +200% EXP but if he dies in the game, he's dead forever.

Also, morale plays an important role, so if you pick an "evil" hero (undead, demon, dark elf, social justice warrior) but pick a "good" nation in a skirmish (high elves, wood elves, humans, dwarves, Anonymous), your troops will have combat maluses. Which means shitty combat rolls.

>Want to expand my star empire
>everyone has a defensive pact with at least 5 others
Oh come the fuck on

>>161568286
Back in Civ 2 you had to wait for the ship to reach alpha centauri, I think

>>161578216
Civ 2 also had the choice of making a ship that would almost certainly get there but slowly and one that would go zoom zim zam fast but might explode on the way there, which was why they bothered to make the distinction
Wasn't it the case of 'reaching' in Civ IV too, actually?

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So what's the best 4X to have come out since 2006?

GalCiv 2
GalCiv 3
Endless Legend
Endless Space
Stellaris
Sword of the Stars
CivIV
CivV
Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion

http://www.strawpoll.me/11776141


I'm not gonna put Civ VI, Endless Space 2, Sword of the Stars 2, Star Ruler or Stardrive on the list because they are either shit or unfinished.

>>161578370
the new master of orion

>>161578370
>4x
>Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion
Huh? I thought it was a RTS rather than a 4x?

>>161578306
You had to wait for 10 turns for it to reach Alpha Centauri. You could skip a few parts and lauch the incomplete ship but every turn there's chance it might blow up

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>>161578492
Stellaris is also an RTS.

RTS just means real time strategy ya know, it doesnt remove the four X's.

>>161578626
A 4x game is literally just a civlike.

>>161578626
With that logic, you could say that all RTS are also 4x, since there's always the exploration, expansion, exploitation, and extermination.

>>161578626
>Age of Empires is now a 4x game

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>>161578792
>>161578801

So you are telling med Stellaris, Sins of a Solar Empire and Distant Worlds are not 4X?

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>>161578801
>With that logic, you could say that all RTS are also 4x, since there's always the exploration, expansion, exploitation, and extermination.
/rtsg/ back when

>>161578492
its halfway between both, since it has features like diplomacy, actual expansions, and huge scale conflicts.

>>161574687
>by your bullshit everyone besides 4xg needs to fuck off to /v/.
Yes.
Unless their game is covered by a different general. Sometimes people post about eu4 here because gsg is too spooky for them, doesn't mean that they should be here rather than in gsg.
>4xg is not exclusively for 4x games.
Yes it is.
>It's mainly for 4x games
Only
If people post about other stuff that is off topic.

>This board is for the posting of video game "general" threads, which are long-term, recurring threads about a specific topic.
>specific topic
The specific topic is 4x games.

>>161578920
I'd like to see these games on GoG. But nowadays, it seems like it's becoming Obscure Indie Games rather than Good Old Games. Fuck you EA.

>>161578946
Ha.

>>161579008
autism

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>>161579075
I was desperate enough to buy the entire c&c anthology on orijew just to have it

I don't really regret it though

>>161579280
Generals is the only one I'd really like to get again. I have bad memories of all the others.

>>161575931
It's not even a real story.

>>161579373
Red Alert 2 and YR was the shit though, and the modding scene is still alive, with Mental Omega and DDay

But Generals and ZH are still more active, I'm still playing with 2 mates on Shockwave and ROTR

>>161579075
>I'd like to see these games on GoG
Someone on the underground forum said that there is a chance the older ones get added

>>161579280
>tfw german

>>161579498
I had really fond memories of RA2 and how goofy it was. I pirated it and YR a while ago, and damn, it was painful to play it again. Maybe it's just me, but I hated it.

>>161579658
It's probably you learning how to take off the nostalgia goggles and seeing the games for what they are now.

>>161579841
That was strange, because I remembering having a lot of fun with the bridges, and fucking around with the chrono-legionnairies.

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>>161579008
>The specific topic is 4x games.
It is not no matter how much you personally think it is. Your personal opinion is not fact, /4xg/ has accepted refugee strategy games before. /4xg/ has accepted refugee strategy games literally last thread. /4xg/ will therefore continue to accept refugee strategy games. If you dislike that, you may either ignore them, hide them, or remove yourself from this thread, as it does not exist to cater to your person.

>Sometimes people post about eu4 here because gsg is too spooky for them, doesn't mean that they should be here rather than in gsg
That's because /gsg/ isn't refugee, there's an entire general for it that doesn't even shitpost anymore. Furthermore, people post about CK2 or EU4 in fucking /twg/ or /mbg/ at times. They're interconnected games and you can't stop spillover.

>Yes it is.
>only
According to your esteemed person I presume, since thread opinion has repeatedly shown to not agree with your stance. As you can see, right now, people are happily discussing something that isn't 4x, unless you're going to meme about C&C somehow technically being 4x.

>If people post about other stuff that is off topic.
>off topic
Alright, I just had to point out how stupid of an argument this is on /vg/ of all things.

>>161580491
But onee-chan, what he says is the rule, since he cannot be wrong!

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hey guys is cs.rin.ru safe to download from ? I'm @ dorms and paranoid about getting kicked out. it's all hosted on MEGA, can IP dudes see ?

>>161581909
Don't bother pirating at all if you're paranoid.

>>161581909
They probably can if they care enough.

>>161582181
He's paranoid about his dorm finding out and going haywire

>>161582181
>>161582258
Noted, My autism's really craving Leviathans DLC . I can't afford to buy the whole game doe ;_;

>>161582528
Then don't.

>>161578492
I find a defining feature of 4X games is that warfare is tedious and extremely unfun, where as in RTS games it's generally the most engaging aspect. Comes from a lot of them imitating Civ games by being turn based and units having extremely limited move points and everything taking several turns to complete.

So you'd think Stellaris might be more RTS than 4X since on the surface it's real-time and not turn based and also emphasizes combat, yet it's horribly bogged down by being a Paradox came with a super retarded combat system that's almost less fun than Civ-likes.

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Look at this shit. It's turn 27 in Epic speed. It's not even possible to expand if you don't start with building a settler like an imbecile. What kind of a stupid diplomacy system is this?

>>161582681
Even CK2 and EU4 have a more engaging combat system honestly

>>161582680
k, thanks for talking me out of it anon

>>161578370
>not gonna put Civ VI, Endless Space 2, Sword of the Stars 2, Star Ruler or Stardrive on the list because they are either shit or unfinished.

>won't put Star Ruler on the list
>shit or unfinished

You could shorten your post a lot by just writing 'please confirm my poor taste'.

>>161578626
>RTS just means real time strategy
It's real time + unit micro. That's pretty much the two bare minimum features of an RTS.

>>161582983
He put on Stellaris too.

>>161583025
when the FUCK is stellaris gonna get some unit micro

>>161583025
Which is kind of funny personally speaking because the defining characteristic of a 'strategy' as opposed to a 'tactic' is that strategies are meant to win wars while tactics, battles, so if anything a strategy game should make the actual battle part less of a big deal.

>>161583040
Fair point. But Star Ruler (specifically 2) is even less defensible for 'can't be best game'.

>>161582681
That sounds real.

>>161582785
You can't do anything in these. At least in Endless Space, you give basic instructions.

>>161583025
>It's real time + unit micro
Then I guess all the squad-based games like Dawn of War or Rise of Nations/Legends aren't RTSs.

>>161583526
>You can't do anything in these
That doesn't matter, the whole point of GRAND strategy games is that the individual battles and stuff like that are actually beneath your control. The part that makes the combat engaging is what happens BEFORE the combat begins. Did you let your opponent dictate the battleground? Did you force your opponent to attack or defend on disadvantegeous terrain? Do you have reinforcements ready nearby, or are you able to stop the enemy from reinforcing that critical battle? Can you get behind the river before the enmy begins his attack? Did you assign your generals correctly? How many more men do you have able to reinforce your military? How much is it costing you to upkeep and resupply / reinforce that military?
The mere addition of morale and terrain to the formula makes a huge difference, not to mention flanking, the effects of artillery, etc.
In CK2 you have everything up to artillery there as well, plus the personal tactics of commanders and the army composition, which does a rock-paper-scissors gimmick better than Stellaris ever did.

>Achieve cultural victory right after destroying the little joke of an Empire Teddy, Victoria and Saladin had (As in, I razed the most important district-wise cities and captured their capital)
>I was 15 tiles away from dropping an atomic bomb on Petersburg
This is the second time tourists ruin my warmongering.

>>161584198
>ablublu I keep winning
Poor little successful man.

>>161580491
>Anime face
>insist on posting off topic with massive essay justifying it
Yeah, you need to fuck right off, sissy.

>tfw sunspots right as Morgan and deirdre are about to surrender

Maybe if they didn't vote to melt the ice caps when I was the pirates they wouldn't have had all there cities flooded with nerve gas troops and citizens put to death by the thousands

>>161552281
Are tiles in civ6 completely tied to the city that grabbed the tile first?
You can't make City A work a tile that City B grew into even though they're both within workable range?

Just pirated Endless Space 2 early access. Gotta say, I'm not feeling it yet. Biggest complaint of ES1 still stand, game feels to sterile and space battles aren't fun.

How does Sins of a Solar Empire hold up as a 4x?

Any good mods?

>>161587716
There's a Star Trek mod that adds the faction, and make it more nervous. New UI sucks, however.

>>161586664
They could've prevented this.

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>>161586234
>anime face
not that anon but i hope you know you are on a site that's main purpose is animu right?

>War in Heaven
Jesus fuck those are some big numbers. I like the idea though, even if it does make me feel insignificant in this war.

>>161588369
>even if it does make me feel insignificant in this war
you can snatch some undefended planets if you play your cards right

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Dang

I want to fit 3 cities on the Pink-Red line, but can't get both the fresh water slots.
Red = Fresh Water.

I guess I'll just go with the fresh water that lets me go further south to get more out of the AoE effects.

Lavendel = City States

>>161585860
I don't mind winning, but I spent so much time increasing my science and culture so I could wipe them with no resistance not so the fuckers decided my country was a pretty chill place to spend their vacations.

Reading up on trade routes.

Has anyone trade to make 1 city specifically for sending trade routes too?

I was thinking that you could sacrifice a city for that purpose, and then just fill it up completely with districts to increase the trade route yield.

Unique District to get away from the pop limit.


Germany or Russia.

Not Greece because of the hill requirement.
Not Brazil because no inherent yield of the district.

So Russia for food trade routes and germany for production trade routes.
A lot of great person points with 36 lavras, so it looks a bit more interesting.

>>161579075
GOG just added Civ IV and Dragon Age is there for some time already, so who knows.

>>161593627
Were these owned by EA?

>>161593693
>you will never be owned by ea

>>161587716
It's more of an RTS. There's no pops, no public order/happiness to manage, no religion, etc. There is culture and even an option for culture victory, but it's very simple. You just build one building that generates culture and pushes into nearby systems with it, and it gives you a strategic bonus to your fleets or empire (the bonus differs with each faction).

>>161596559
By that definition you can say that Stronghold Crusader, Cultures and Settlers is 4X.

Do you have culture or religion in MoO2?

SoaSE is a RT4XL (real time 4X lite hybrid) which was how it was advertized and regarded as on release and it's still true to this day.

SoaSE is 4X Lite in real time.
Get over it.

2.5X

Should I buy civ 6?

>>161600501
Not worth the money yet.
Pirate or wait.

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benis

>>161596559
>no pops

Yes there is, but they're very simplified and just make your planets generate more jewgolds.

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>win culture victory as Japan in the Information era
>conquer the world by overrunning all other cultures with anime
Truly the darkest possible future

>>161607175
>Implying it wasn't a combination of sexbots and people not wanting to "fuck with inferior 3D"

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I think 4chan has made me dumber.

>MOO Updated 7 hours ago
how is it?
why do they call this game MOO instead of MOO3, how the fuck am I going to not confuse people.

Is there a crack for the Civ 6 latest patch?

>>161609018
I am certain I've become dumber since I started coming here

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>>161609853

>>161568286

The science victory should really be some transhumanist nullshit where you use SCIENCE to transend your population beyond mere humanity and become so much more advanced than everyone else that competition becomes pointless.

Of course, I also believe that it's high time the core civ series incorporates the future eras of Call to Power so this would be like a thousand years in the future, not fifty.

>>161611307
We don't talk about MoO3, microprose are strong and well, they will bring MoO back to its former state of flawless victory on 4x, r-right guys?

>>161552281
Age of Empires 3 is looking weird in this screenshot

>>161587513
Bring up the city viewer and press the swap button on the tile you want the city to work.

If you're talking about districts, then yes those are tied to the city that made them.

Why does it always seem that Gilgamesh is about to touch you inappropriately?

>holy districts give shrines
>shrines give food

holy shit i've been starving my tundra cities for no reason

>>161613650
probably because you are a faggot twink boy that needs a big bear cuddle, dumbass queer

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this felt so good

>>161616362
>you are a great friend, gilgamesh won't forget this
>declares war of territorial expansion next turn

>>161583124
But anon that would mean that players actually have to do something in combat other than look at the pretty lights and press a button if they start to lose!

Seriously though even Endless Space had more to do in combat, let alone something like SoSE where units actually have ABILITIES that you have to TARGET oh good lord the poor player would be so overwhelmed.

Ok so can we agree Endless Legend and Endless Space have GOAT OST?

Civ6 is found wanting.

>>161620930
eh...

>>161620930
Amplitude games are the only games I leave the music turned on because it fits so damn well.
They're among the few cases where the soundtrack actually feels like it was made to fit the game and not just be filler.
10/10 ambient music.

>>161620930
I barely notice the music when I play and it's certainly not anything I would want to listen to outside the games, either.

>>161621505
You more of a BABAYATU type?

Anyone else fucking with the new Master of Orion patch?

Been kinda busy today so I haven't played a ton, plus I was fucking with Hearthstone, but it's looking pretty good. The espionage overhaul is a godsend and I wish civ6 would do something like it. It's still not quite as smooth as MoO2 espionage but it cuts down on some bullshit. I also really appreciate how it's tied so heavily in to your economy now. It's relatively cheap to recruit spies, especially at first, but their upkeep can get pretty pricey if you're running a lot of them.

Leaders I'm on the fence about. I don't understand if they're working properly 90% of the time. Like a planetary governor that has +10% XP gain for leaders and spies. Cool. So is he giving that to everyone in my whole empire once I set his ass on a planet? What about a fleet admiral with +5%BC? Fleets don't have anything to do with your economy other than upkeep. Is he increasing my global income just by sitting on the bridge of a ship and jerking off? No idea. I appreciate that they're there though.

Minor races seem cool but I haven't found any I want to interact with. The only one within decent colonizing range is the only not-garbage planet in the system, so I could colonize a hellworld for +3 research provided by the peaceful minor race or I could exterminate them and take their giant abundant terra world.

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>>161623297

Oh yeah. And the antarans seem to show up really fucking early. They've been raping the other empires so I haven't met them, but I get GNN reports every time they invade. Surprised it happens so fast.

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>>161623441

>>161623441
>robo titties

god bless these devs

Okay so the mega archive for the stellaris mods is very confusing. What mods are absolutely necessary?

>>161582528
Go to a coffee shop or something. Public wifi isn't untraceable but it's fucking hard and usually not worth the effort.

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>>161586234
>getting mad at anime reaction faces
How about you go back to /r/thedonald friend

>he thinks you shouldn't present arguments and that everyone should just listen to him
Have another one.

>>161598504
The 4x genre is literally just the civlike genre. Civilization started it, and whether or not something is a 4x basically comes down to how much it resembles Civilization. Age of Empires II, C&C, and EU4 with random map include the 4xs but are decidedly not 4x.

Any good mobile 4x games?

>>161626705
Are there any good mobile games in general besides mobage aka waifugames?

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>>161626724

>>161626782
touche

>>161626724
Snake
Nokia's Bounce thing they had on ancient phones
Sudoku
Crosswords and shit like that

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Yeeeaaah

Yeeaaaah

>>161624468
I think thats a shapeshifter keeping her googirl form in a containment suit actually...

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I remember hearing awhile back that Civ VI was going to be updated to be more modder-friendly. Has this happened/was it ever going to happen? I want to try my hand at modding.

>>161628639
The db and script files are there to be read and changed if you so choose. It's already pretty darned modder friendly.

So what's the hottest indie/minor 4x game currently? Seems to be a stream of civ clones just in different settings recently.

>>161628891
Okay, thought that might be the case. I know there are a lot of mods out already.
Second question, what kind of mod should I make?

>>161629112
I'd like you to make a mod that fixes up continents map spawn such that it's not possible for a 2-3 man continent to be almost as big as the other 5-6 man continent. That'd be great. Thanks lad.

When the Mongols get added, how do you think they will differentiate them from the pre-existing horsefucker nomad civ?

>>161629356
scythians are ancient era dominators, while mongols are more medieval age centric.

>>161593693
Yes. At least dragon age is, along with jade empire

I tried to use something else than Aztecs for the first time, I finally understand the production meme, this is hard as fuck.

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Are they the most fun faction to play as?

>>161632369
No.

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>have to fight these fuckers while my own people suddenly all want independence

>>161633169
Then who?

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>>161633520
Do you have to ask?

>>161579501
>tfw german but bought it on release day so I own an uncensored version

Feels good man

>>161578920
>all these special roles
>Tanya
What game is this and what does Tanya do?

>>161623297
>What about a fleet admiral with +5%BC? Fleets don't have anything to do with your economy other than upkeep

Maybe he rents cruisers out to haul cargo while not engaged in a battle.
Or he's managing a trade empire from his captain's cabin over the extranet.
Or he's so respected that his mere presence and celebrity status makes consumers feel more safe and confident.

>>161633862
Red Alert 2.
Tanya is a super commando who works as a sniper that can oneshot any infantry with an insane rate of fire, sabotage buildings to make them explode instantly, and can swim and attack ships.
Her only weaknesses are dogs and tesla coils.

>>161633454
>one fleet of 17K
RIP, better hope for War in Heaven so they'll be preoccupied with someone else

>>161634489
I'm mass producing ships now and I did a heavy upgrade, my 265 unit fleet is now 24~25k, give it to me straight doc, am I dead?

>>161634643
You're dead. Jim.

>>161634643
The average awakenend empire will have 2 fleets
1. the main fleet, ~100K with the 10k Titan flagship
2. a second fleet of anywhere between 50-90K, depending on AE type(from what i've seen)

BUT if WiH occurs, hopefully they'll bomb eachother to hell, softening them up considerably.

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>>161626672
>have all four X's
>is not a 4X.

So that means I like both 4X games and other games that include all of the four X's.

I love Distant Worlds, Endless Legend, Stellaris, Endless Space, SMAC, SoaSE, Civ IV, Civ V and to some extent Star Ruler 2 and sees them all as 4X games with some twists here and there.

Galactic Civ, Endless games and SMAC is some of the few I think of as "Civ like" games and is also 4X. The other I mentioned are 4X, but not always "Civ like".

People have to learn that the 4X genre is evolving all the time as long as it contains all of the 4 X's to a certain extent. "Civ like" is also an evolving term, but it's more set in stone than what 4X means.

SoaSE is a 4X RTS hybrid where some of the X's are just over the threshold to be counted as one of the X's.

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I'm sucking at this game.

I also feel almost insulted by the description of the human race.

>Human Governor makes it to age 165
>chance of death/month; 80%
RNGesus be praised

>>161634764
Looks like I should have vassaled when they asked, rip me.

>>161612020
>Bring up the city viewer and press the swap button on the tile you want the city to work.
Thanks.

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>>161626672
>The 4x genre is literally just the civlike genre
What?

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Haven't played Stellaris since release

Has it changed significantly? Is there any worthwhile DLC yet?

Spoonfeed me, google just returns a ream of retards with Paradox dick so far up their arse it's waving them around like a sock puppet

>>161636363
No.
No.

>>161636363
No.
Balance is fucked, just fucked in a different way than before. Diplomacy is still retarded, hyperdrive is now worthless, warscore is still as retarded as day one. Free content through patches is basically non-existent and the DLCs are overpriced as hell for what little they add.

>>161626672
>The 4x genre is literally just the civlike genre
civ baby detected

>>161636759
>prefer earth autism simulator
>babby
ok

>>161633454
kek, why are you pissing off so many FE's?

>>161636363
dude plants lmao

I've played probably hundreds of hours of stellaris, love it, but every criticism is valid. My number one hate is the fucking warscore.

>>161637094
Haven't interacted with any except the top to deny a vassal I wish I accepted.

>Barely scrape by staying neutral in the WiH
>Extradimensional invaders appear
Fucking great

>war in heaven
is there some popup or notice about this or is it just the name given when FEs start awakening?

>>161638807
You'll get a pop-up asking for allegiance to either or independence.
If you chose independent you'll get a second pop-up askign if you want to lead/join the League of Independent Systems; AKA a third faction who'll get shrekt in actual warfare
Decline and you'll probably be the only system thats not in a war

>>161636759
Civilization I started the 4x genre. I'm pretty sure it even coined the fucking term, partially due to XTREME 90s.
I can't even think of one that came before. Master of Magic was like, a year after if memory serves correctly.

>>161634806
So do you think Age of Empires II is a 4x game because it includes all four Xs?

>>161638929
Not him, but currently I'm in the same situation, WiH started as I tried to stay neutral. That didn't work, since my empire is just adjacent to one of the AE. Now there is some weird war with the AEs (and their dominions) fighting each other, plus one AE (wihtout it's dominions) fighting me.
Not to mention that the Non-alligned-Alliance bugged out and I have only 2 shitty empires on my side.
At least I have my 100k fleet, to beat every non AE up.

>>161639423
>100K
Lucky you, my 3 fleets total up to ~40K

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For fuck's sake, the XVIIIth century's infantry shits so much on the XVIIth's, it's not even funny.

To give you an idea, a fully updated XVII pikemen (the melee unit) does 20 damage once fully updated.

>>161640717
>100 years (renaissance period no less) of technological advancement makes a difference
Seems pretty realistic to me.

>>161640717
>spankfag

>>161641076
But then it means that all the civilizations that don't have access to the XVIIIth century are automatically losers on the long run. Turkey, Algery, Poland can't stand a chance.

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>>161641157
So just don't let the long run manifest. Those are obviously early game factions relying heavily on rushes and early crippling.

>>161641458
whats the light blue areas represent?

>>161641514
I think its places where German is a second language?

>>161641570
fair enough, at least they are holding on. SIEG HEIL!

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/427570/?snr=1_4_4__129
this shit just came out yesterday bros, any thoughts?

>>161626724
king of dragon pass

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>england
>continents
>huge, marathon, emperor
>win by domination

was easier than i thougth lmao

what do i do now with my life? the weekend is just about to start.

>>161552453
>empire awakes
>starts genociding everyone
>man up and attack
>noone likes me cause terror bombing

>>161645405
You play a good game, like MEIOU'd EU4, HIP CK2, AoE II, Civ IV with a mod of your choice, Skyrim modded into dust, DoS, etc. etc.

>>161646031
i only recognize
>Skyrim modded into dust
too bad the combat is fundamentally shit.

what the fuck is a meiou

>>161646186
>playing Skyrim for the combat instead of the roleplay aspect
>playing melee in skyrim to begin with instead of nuking shit with spells
If you can't have fun with modded skyrim, you didn't mod it enough. It's that simple.

>what the fuck is a meiou
A mod for EU4.

>doesn't recognize CK2
>doesn't recognize AoE II
>doesn't recognize Civ IV
????????????????????????

>>161646291
im not autistic enough to play ck

>skyrim with spells
>pause the screen every 2 seconds
lmaooooooooooooo

>>161646430
>pause the screen
As I said, you didn't mod it enough.
>I'm not autistic enough to play CK
>CK
>autistic
>doesn't recognize AoE II or Civilization 4
>lmaooooooooooooo
m8

>>161646291
Skyrim is a console trash, you can't fix the combat no matter how many mods you install.

Which civ do I pick? Playing civ v with the vox populi thing

>>161645405
fuck the minimap is absolute garbage

>>161646553
If you're playing Skyrim for the combat you're playing it wrong, and you don't really need to fix the combat if you're playing with magic.

>>161646562
Wu.
Chyna will grow larger.

>>161646639
I can't think of any part of the UI that's good. Even the icons suck shit.

>>161646562
venice

>>161646651
>If you're playing Skyrim for the combat
I guess all those copypasted draugr dungeons were put for sightseeing. Also you are blowing your /tesg/ waifuposter cover.
>you don't really need to fix the combat if you're playing with magic.
Kill yourself retard. Vanilla combat magic is a dual-cast stunclocking with shitty damage. You can't fix this garbage by just adding more spells.

>>161646562
Celts.

>>161646698
>>161646738
>>161647332
1-3:China
4-7:Venice
7-0:Celts
Give me details on difficulty, map type, etc

>>161560563
Yes you can, it's a bit tricky but possible.

>>161570458
Bloody hell mate, did he kick you out of a group because in every thread you make a post about him.
Don't watch his garbage then.

Watch these autists instead, they're not really funny but they have banter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc9-FowR9cQ&t=992s

>>161647418
fuck that, im playing chyna.
map type?

>>161647418
Go for border blob Celts https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/border-blobs-style-opener.565652/
Quit around industrial era because there are no more borders to blob and you have no yields outside of them.

>>161647240
>Also you are blowing your /tesg/ waifuposter cover
i.e. I've played the game for far longer than you and know what I'm talking about.

>I guess all those copypasted draugr dungeons were put for sightseeing
They're a complete mistake.

>Kill yourself retard. Vanilla combat magic is a dual-cast stunclocking with shitty damage. You can't fix this garbage by just adding more spells.
Kek yeah, but you can if you change the system. I suppose you wouldn't know though. Kill yourself, you have no right to say anything if you don't know what fucking Civilization IV is.

>>161647639
Just go for the most normal one, Continents.
I'm not sure if there's one that's basically 'pangea with a couple of islands hanging around', but if there is then get that one.
Difficulty, I guess whatever you think is still a challenge for you.

>>161647873
>i.e. I've played the game for far longer than you and know what I'm talking about.
Waifuposters are complete morons, nice try idiot.
>I suppose you wouldn't know though. Kill yourself, you have no right to say anything if you don't know what fucking Civilization IV is.
Why do you change the subject? You've already exposed yourself for liking half-assed console trash, I bet you LOVE civ6.

>>161648112
>Waifuposters are complete morons, nice try idiot.
Says the one who doesn't even know there are a dozen mods to overhaul how you cast spells and at least three seperate ones that recreate vancian casting.
Also says the one who plays an open world exploration-based role playing game for its combat, as if he's used to console trash and cannot possibly understand what the roleplaying part of RPG means besides attacking things.

>I bet you LOVE civ6.
>reading comprehension
>'play a good game like...civ iv...'
Imbecilic.

>>161639084
>Civilization I started the 4x genre. I'm pretty sure it even coined the fucking term
fuck right off kid, not only did my old man play strategic conquest 2 in the 80s on his apple pc but the original MoO coined the term 4x to advertise their game. civ may have been a large part of the 4x eras and nobody will deny that but the last couple games have done nothing of value to further the genre and it has stagnated.

>>161648298
>>161648112
>>161647873
>>161647240
>>161646651
>>161646553
>>161646291
>>161646186
>>161646031
>>161645405
Both of you need to kill yourselves.

>>161648298
>Says the one who doesn't even know there are a dozen mods to overhaul how you cast spells and at least three seperate ones that recreate vancian casting.
Yeah, you install all these mods just to automatically cast recolored fireballs. What a great magic overhaul and totally fixes the combat!
>Also says the one who plays an open world exploration-based role playing game for its combat, as if he's used to console trash and cannot possibly understand what the roleplaying part of RPG means besides attacking things.
Why the fuck are you using RPG in context of Skyrim? "Roleplaying" (in an RPG, no less) should be supported by the game mechanically. Your pretend waifufaggotry is not a roleplaying, at least not enough to call Skyrim (a console hack-slash) an RPG.
>>'play a good game like...civ iv...'
I see you have reading comprehension problems, you are a waifushitter after all. Civ4 doesn't have anything to do with with your unconditional love for half-assed garbage such as civ6 and Skyrim.

>>161648324
>the original MoO coined the term 4x to advertise their game
Shit okay, you're right I checked. Didn't MoO come out around Master of Magic though, so after Civ I?

>Strategic Conquest II
Is that even considered 4x? I'd classify it as just a normal TBS game, it's basically just an RTS with turns instead of real time. I guess it counts.

>but the last couple games have done nothing of value to further the genre and it has stagnated.
I never claimed CiV and CiVI were good.

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>>161648298
>>161648112
Shut the fuck up and just fuck already you stupid fucking children.

Get your heads out of your asses you dickheads, you're both garbage fighting for no reason other than your stupid autistic egos and bloody videogame preferences.

I'm 300+ years into my stellaris campaign. I've researched every dangerous AI tech, I treat my synths like shit and they're still not rebelling.

What gives?

>>161648871
They're masochists like their leader.

>>161648769
>I see you have reading comprehension problems, you are a waifushitter after all. Civ4 doesn't have anything to do with with your unconditional love for half-assed garbage such as civ6 and Skyrim.
That's you, since the idea that I'd actually say 'play a good game' to a post about Civ VI implies I dislike Civ VI.

>"Roleplaying" (in an RPG, no less) should be supported by the game mechanically
By your definition, D&D is not a Roleplaying game because there's no real "mechanical" support for it. Hell, you can actually get mechanical support for it through modding.

>Yeah, you install all these mods just to automatically cast recolored fireballs
Mind giving me a system you think is good then, since it feels like you don't even know what vancian magic is or that sequential casting / automatic reaction casting exists?

>>161648861
>I am above it all just because I afraid stating my opinion will trigger someone

>>161648935
I just want to trigger a crisis and end this campaign.
The "end-game" in this game is boring as fuck.

>>161648982
>realizes he's retarded so he lashes out at an annoyed bystander.

>>161645628
>>noone likes me cause terror bombing
set your bombing settings to no terror bombing you dunce

>>161648769
>Why the fuck are you using RPG in context of Skyrim
Not even him but you uh do realize that Skyrim is literally classified as a role-playing game?

>>161648982
To be fair, everyone here is above you 2 retards. No one here's fighting over skyrim mods.

>>161626259
>Slimes have a hard time functioning themselves so they designed or got suits that they could control.
That actually makes so much sense.

>>161636549
>hyperdrive is now worthless
Wait what how, hyperdrive was already terrible at launch how the hell did they make it WORSE?

>>161648996
maybe there already was a crisis and you missed it

afaik there can only be 1 crisis

>>161650001
>>Slimes have a hard time functioning themselves so they designed or got suits that they could control.
>That actually makes so much sense.
Did...did you quote the wrong person?

>>161650001
Hyperdrives now have to jump from the edge of a system like the other FTLs, it's basically a gimped warpdrive.

>>161650008
I've researched jump drives too but the unbidden are nowhere to be seen

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>mfw it's usually me that derails the thread

>>161650001
>>161650062
Whoops. Meant to quote
>>161628254
I don't know how I quoted a fucking coffee post.

>>161650105
I have no words for that.
That was literally the only reason you'd ever want to use hyperdrives and even then they were STILL considered the weakest FTL because it took so goddamn long to go between systems.

>>161648963
>That's you, since the idea that I'd actually say 'play a good game' to a post about Civ VI implies I dislike Civ VI.
I don't give a fuck if you like civ4 or not, I just deducted that you like civ6 by the mere way you defend Skyrim to death. Liking civ4 and liking civ6 are not counter-exclusive, but I guess logic is not your strongest feat.
>By your definition, D&D is not a Roleplaying game because there's no real "mechanical" support for it.
Are you retarded? There is literally mechanic support for it, there are tomes upon tomes of explaining mechanics and there are rules for every little thing. It's quote ironic (or moronic) you bring up D&D in defense of a shitty hack-n-slash grindan.
>Mind giving me a system you think is good then, since it feels like you don't even know what vancian magic is or that sequential casting / automatic reaction casting exists?
You are missing the part where I called Skyrim a console trash. You can't have a good party-based real-time first-person combat on a console. Even your aforementioned examples are just hacks upon shitty console controls. They won't suddenly make you feel like you are playing as a powerful archmage, they will just automate fireball casting. And everything that's more complex that a fireball is inadvertently useless in party-based real-time first-person combat environment of Skyrim.
>>161649142
That "bystander" replied to those posts by quoting them. That's not a bystanding you stupid mong.
>>161649326
What role are you playing in Skyrim exactly?

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>>161650351
>coffee
>gets reminded of 3rd degree burns
>suddenly fond of coffee, pigs, and substance abuse

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>>161650461
Wat

>>161650379
>I don't give a fuck if you like civ4 or not,
Which is irrelevant. Someone posted Civ VI. I said play a good game, implying that he isn't playing a good game, i.e. Civ VI isn't a good game.
>I just deducted
In other news, I deducted you drink nigger semen on a daily basis because my dick itches. I'm not defending skyrim to the death but you haven't pointed out even one actual problem with Skyrim's magic system, of which many exist. Want an actual example? Long-term spells cast in rapid sequence can and will crash your game because Skyrim is an unstable buggy mess.
>liking civ4 and liking civ6 are not counter-exclusive
It's an ESL huh. The term is mutually exclusive, and this isn't even relevant.
>It's quote ironic (or moronic)
>can't even spell
Go to sleep.
>Are you retarded? There is literally mechanic support for it
In Dungeons & Dragons, roleplaying comes down to roleplaying between characters, not to the shitty rulebooks. There's no rule for me charming the barmaid by gliding over on angel wings and winking three times then delivering an edgy Sephiroth speech because I know she likes special snowflake edgelords from a previous conversation. If you roleplay by rigidly following rulebooks and waiting on mechanical support instead of having your GM flexibly move around rules and goals based on your roleplaying, you need a better group.
>they will just automate fireball casting
Give me a single example of a game that has good magic control because I'm actually interested now.
>And everything that's more complex that a fireball is inadvertently useless in party-based real-time first-person combat environment of Skyrim.
wail of the banshee, slick, greater teleportation, dimension-dooring, lightning step, triple image, swapping locations with the target, stopping time outright, changing the weather and making lightning strikes fall from the sky that actually hurt the enemy, and transmuting enemies to gold, etc. are all possible.

>>161650857
There was a minor discussion about that McDonald's Coffee case ten threads or so ago. In the same thread someone was arguing semantics about whether or not drinking wine was considered 'substance abuse'.

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>>161650379
>>161650972
ahahhahahahahah im fucking dying

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>>161651047
>slutttttttttt
what

>>161647873
lmaoooo that wasnt me
this is me and ytou are still a fucking idiot for liking ckyrim combat

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>>161651292
>lmaoooo
>ytou
>ckyrim

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so guys what are your thoughts
http://store.steampowered.com/app/427570

>>161651603
The fact that they consider "pausable" a marketable term in the 4x genre is an immediate red flag, and the graphics remind me a ton of homeworld remastered.

>>161643292
>>161651603
Holy shit FUCK OFF with your viral marketing, you piece of shit.

>>161652034
>homeworld
exactly what I thought

also
>that voice over...
lmao

How much trade do you get from districts?
The two wikis have different info.


One says 1 food from holy site, the other says 2 food.

One says 2 prod from industrial, one says 1.

>>161652154
>Holy shit FUCK OFF with your viral marketing, you piece of shit.
stick a black dick up your ass faggot, this is a legitimate question, your autism is off the scale

>>161652734
Fuck off shill. Your game is shit and so is you.

>>161652734
I agree you shilling cunt. Get a job

>>161652950
I wonder if you boss would be happy to hear you shill this way