/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

is star ruler 4x

I have looked up some negative reviews on Endless Legend - they say that the game mechanics are kiddy-grade and it has bad AI. Is that true?
I had similar problems with two games: Anno 2070 (simple mechanics) and Sins of a Solar Empire (AI can't into diplomacy). However, I've enjoyed both of those.

>Second game of Civ 5
>Play Babylon for science
>Starting location seems ok...
>No luxury resources except for some silk, crabs, and Deer
>Spent the first 100 turns with negative happiness and making ~2 gold a turn
>Had to spend the entire early game building happiness and founding policies to increase happiness and gold
>Still win by turn 450 with science despite Arabia and Sweden trying to cuck me
>Had research help from Korea

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>>161321870
>mfw

>>161316368

Just tried to prevent stealing tech using all of my spies. Put BOTH of them on counterspy in campus district. Same thing occurred:
>An enemy succeeded in stealing tech boost

Nice system Firaxis, you cocksucking assclowns.
You have limited the amount of spies to 2, regardless of how many cities civilization might have. And as if that wasn't retarded enough these 2 spies have to protect individual districts of cities. AND they still can't properly do that even if you use all your resources.
Civ6 is a fucking travesty, what a fucking pile of shit.

>>161321519
Kinda.
Closer to a RTS since the economy and research are very basic.

>>161322626
someone last thread said it was on sale

should i get it
have you played it

>>161322738
I tried Star Ruler and Star Ruler 2.
They're both very strange, innovative, but aren't exactly fun. And they both play very differently.

>>161322879
well shit

>>161322941
Star Ruler can be hilariously broken (since there's no limit on the unit scales, you can theorically build a ship the size of the galaxy), but the ships always need fuel, and the second they run out of fuel, they DIE. Your entire crew DIES, and your ship becomes a treasure chest.

In Star Ruler 2, the entire economy is focused on keeping a huge number of peasant worlds to feed off your most advanced planets, keep your balance stabilized, and once in a while, buy a +5%HP upgrade with your research points.

>>161323101
it has a surprisingly good rating for how dull you make it sound

>>161323762
It has its good points. It's trying to be innovative, to come up with new mechanisms, but while they make the game interesting to discover, they don't make it automatically fun, and there are some stuffs that aren't exactly properly.

Are there any other 4x space games besides Stellaris and Endless Space that allows for terraforming of planets?

>>161324651
Alpha Centauri, to some extent.

>>161324651
All of them?
Isn't terramorfing less or more limited a staple of space 4x?

>>161324948
No.

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FUCKING ELVES

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>>161326545
OH GOD, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE

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>>161307012
The reason why Amplitude insists so much on cinematic combat and avoids depth like the plague is because they believe their niche is the mythical
>4X e-sports multiplayer audience
that no one has ever seen any evidence of its existence and thus no one has yet milked dry, or so the logic goes...

Everything is meant to enable, quick short matches. That's why you've got the doom counter of Eternal Winter in EL, that's why they are capping the turn limits of the beta (placeholder for the end-game crisis mechanic), that's why the combat never allows you direct control: no one is supposed to gain advantage by thinking about his moves and slowing everyone else down.

>if they're going after e-sports then why the fuck so much effort is put into lore and art?
Fuck if I know, makes no sense. They've made other contradictory design choices in the past like adding Steam Workshop support but then disabling achievement earning if you dare to play with a mod...

>tfw you bought deluxe ES2 believing they would deliver something at least as good as ES1 but all the signs point to the contrary now

>>161326690
Have fun not expanding.

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>>161326823
Another dev bites the dust. At least Triumph Studios is working on something 4X.

>>161326545
Is this the star trek mod?

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>>161326690
>>161326545
at least they didn't greet you like this

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>>161326545
Nah, Paradox added rubber-forehead aliens with Heinlein as pr popular demand.

>>161328586
>>161328983
Fuck links.

Are Peter and Stefan Bolyneux related?

So in Stellaris has anyone ever played an "advanced start"?

Since primitives can get into space on their own you can set the galaxy to huge and set it so that there are no other spacefaring civilizations besides you and the fallen empires at game start, which gives you an advantage on the primitives as they reach spaceflight technology.

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>>161329647
If you mean Molyneux (one of B&W/Fable fame, the other as the youtuber/podcaster), they aren't directly related as far as I know, just share a name and at some point in the past a common ancestor somewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molyneux

>>161329715
Sounds like it might be fun at first and then would get really boring with no one to fight/stare angrily at.

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I am fond of memes

>>161331327
Kingly meme my boy

>>161326823
>e-sports
Try "multiplayer in general". Trying to play online in games that have strategic combat is absolute hell for all involved as it comes down to the entire game waiting for two people to finish fighting.

I appreciate that they have a hands-off approach to combat, my complaints about the combat system in ES2 isn't that it's automatic but that there's literally nothing else to it but selecting range. Even ES1 had targeting options and the battle cards.

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>VI
>Pick Victoria and decide to be friends with everyone and win with religion
>In the lead with 191/200 to get Prophet
>Get cucked by 2 civs at the same time and miss the prophet
>Gandhi, Harald Cuckstorm, Catherine, Cleopatra, Chinese cunt, Pericles, Barbarossa, Phillip and Teddy
>Gandhi and Catherine denounce me for having different governments
>Cleopatra builds a city between London and Manchester just to spite me
>Teddy hates me for NO reason
>Phillip keeps making his missionaries walk in my territory without converting the cities
>Chinese cunt gets mad at me because i have more wonders
>I only have Great lighthouse
>Harald hates me because i have 3 ships
>Barbarossa is threatning me

>>161330289
You get to be the advanced AI that bullies the primitives

>>161332301
What difficulty level does CIV V have to be on for AIs to act like dicks? I just started playing it and on the low difficulty levels they never seem to fuck with me at all.

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>>161332119
>Even ES1 had targeting options and the battle cards.
This. ES1 is practically a deep strategy compared to ES2 combat.

>>161333721
You make me want to reinstall Endless Space.

I haven't played it since... well, there was no fighters or bombers when I played it.

>>161333867
>well, there was no fighters or bombers when I played it.
They added even more to the combat mechanics with that expansion: fleet positions and targetting priorities.

>>161335480
Maybe it's finally enjoyable then. I remember loving missiles, but they were shit compared to lasers.

>get endless legend on sale on October 16th along with Dungeon of the Endless and Endless Space in a bundle deal
>just now open it to play it for the first time
>notice there is apparently content I don't own
>a new expansion was released on October 14th

GODDAMMIT

>>161336145
At least the expansions are skippable, unlike in the Paradox games when they completely change the gameplay.

>>161333492
King and Prince.

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>>161336294
>the expansions are skippable
But they are good content.

>Go to recruit admiral in stellaris in the early game
>2 options with unyielding, pick the only other candidate
>He gets unyielding after his first engagement
Goddammit

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>>161338008
Praise the Emprah and dread naught!

>>161337989
What I mean is that they don't change the entire gameplay, compared to Paradox's DLCs.

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>>161338219
>praising some rotting corpse

>>161335598
From what I remember there's more stat fiddling but it's very basic in the end


also doesn't help that the AI is still dumb as fuck

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I *almost* wanted to buy endless space 2, but then I see this disgusting web design.

>>161341727
But anon, how can you waste space when it's endless?

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>>161341779
oh u

>>161333721
I could make a better combat system half drunk and asleep

It would be fun, but retards and women wouldn't be able to understand it.

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>>161341727
If you go for functional you can't be unique.

And I'd advise everyone not to buy ES2 till we see how it turns out.

>>161333721
Is that ES1?

Holy shit, I don't know what I did, but in Civ 6 the Barbarians would just not stop spawning. Every time I cleared a camp, two more would appear. What the fuck?

>>161343523
Barb rush

>>161343523
has to do with your difficulty level

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Has Civ 6 been patched and balanced yet?

Is it worth buying yet?

>>161344328
>buying

>>161344317

Dammit, I've been trying to beat the AI on immortal for over a week now, and I could have done it if not for these fucking barbarians. God dammit.

>>161344795
These meddling barbarians and their damn dog.

>>161344328
>patched
supposedly yes
but those fucking hacks just read /r/civ and fanatics for bug reports
a day after the patch it was discovered great generals stack and the bug is still in the game despite similair bugs (balloon stacking) being removed in the patch.
>balanced
never, Firaxis can't be trusted to ever balance a game half decently if things like colosseum or mamluks exits

game is dogshit right now

>>161344795
>rush closest neighbor asap
>turtle up
>build many commercial & industrial districts
>affects cities within 6 tiles

winnnnnnnnn

>>161345068
why bother attacking anybody
you just can't loose to AI in this game if you follow the meta of prioritizing commerce hubs/harbors and induzones/campuses next

you just need to remember to build siege towers while you can so you can use them with helicopters later.

>>161345290
so u get more room to expand silly

>>161345290

I did the best by attacking and crushing four AI players before they could get their cheats in. By just going with Commercial hub spam into whatever, I just couldn't keep up with the AI's cheat bonuses.

>>161345290
>why bother attacking anybody
free workers

>>161346313
anything but free lol

>>161346376
Yeah they are.
With the units necessary to fight off barbs and defend from the AI you can capture free workers as Aztecs.

>>161346819
3 archers and the starting warrior is what i use to defend my empire up until i get factories and can mobilize for world conquest

its not often ive been able to cause harm of any kind to the neighboring cities with this army

>About to start building Petra
>Notice Saladin has already started and that his city is completely surrounded by desert
>Let Saladin finish Petra
>Let him convert one of my cities
>Wait until he has a really big apostolic army marching towards my borders
>Declare holy war and wipe all of them in two turns
>Conquer most of his cities and ask for his capital and the city with Petra in the peace deal
>Convert his cities with the faith I had accumulated over the years.
I didn't know religion could be this fun.

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Hey, I've never seen this one before.

>>161348143
Yeah religion as an excuse to go to war is the best way to play religion.

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>>161348591

Welp

>>161348719
Though Peter was annoyed that I converted one of his cities, he was the one trading with mine.

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>>161348840

Shit, this is pretty heavy.

Whoever the two guys who suggested I get Endless Legend last thread.... Thank you. :D

>>161349042
they pulled Dead Space

I installed this mod thinking that having more ship types would be fun

but now i CANT build battleships , they are gone from the ship designer and spaceport options

is it broken or what , the mod says it changed the names of some BS components so I assume that deleting the battleships cant be intentional

>>161349861
Sounds more like they pulled Event Horizon.

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>>161350316

>>161350316

http://stellaris.smods.ru/archives/2031

>>161350316
you still have to research the tech to build battleships, it comes after battlecruisers

>>161350795

But I installed the mod very late into the game
I pretty much only have repeatable techs at this point , do i need to unlock batlecruiser to unlock BS ? maybe the mod gets fucked if if loads into a saved game that isn't very new

>>161351003
yeah I think you need to start a new game

Goyims help me out

Endless Legend, Stellaris or Civ6 for multiplayer/coop with 1-2 friends?

>>161351682
Stellaris is actually pretty fun with multiplayer.

>>161351682

Stellaris becomes more like a weird RTS with 4x elements in multiplayer, it's pretty fun.

For something turn based? Civ 5

>>161351791
>>161351885

Ist the AI ok so that me and my buddies can ally and have fun, or should we only bother to go cuthroat 1v1v1 action?

>>161351954
The main problem with Stellaris is the AI is retarded so it's like playing the game with a bunch of monkeys. With other humans you can actually forge real alliances and cooperate with each other against major threats like awakened empires, or provide challenges for each other by duking it out over territory. The way war works in the game is extremely tedious when playing against the AI because you're forced to chip away at them for decades until they finally submit to you or are destroyed, but human players can be reasoned with.

how the fuck do I conquer and expand in stellaris without genociding all the aliums?

>>161352239
in stellaris you either have to go full inclusive sjw or full hitler/imperium of man

fanatic individualist plus whatever else you want

>>161352442
but if I don't take collectivist or xenophobe I can't genocide the aliums

>>161352239
Did you take the collectivist ethic? If not you have to enfranchise xenos and let them live in your empire or you won't be able to expand. If you did then feel free to purge and enslave all non-humans you come across.

>>161352535
Better start training that anus for fat alien dick then cause you're gonna have to pass some amendments to let them vote.

>>161352535

get logical purge ethics

lets you purge if you have militaristic, spiritual or materialistic ideologies

essentially allows purging of xenos, but not primary species as long as you aren't individualists

to be honest it doesn't make sense that purging/slavery can't be done in non-collectivist societies, seeing as slavery isn't just limited to collectivist ideology/societies IRL by any definition

>>161351954
Most people play it for comp stomps.

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shit nigga i didn't even know this was possible
also didn't know they could be squished together like the 3 near the top are

>>161351682
Civ6.

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>>161349861
>>161350416

>Event Horizon

you got it

I assume the science officer was speaking in 'Space Latin' when he said that.

>>161352809
Is that six(6) fallen empires?

>>161352791
>to be honest it doesn't make sense that purging/slavery can't be done in non-collectivist societies

well I guess the idea is that any species that makes it to space is sane enough to realize that genocide is sort of fucked up

>essentially allows purging of xenos, but not primary species as long as you aren't individualists

so does this mean I can purge the aliums if I'm individualist

>>161352965
seven
7
i underlined each one

>>161352986

>so does this mean I can purge the aliums if I'm individualist

Individualism doesn't give you the ability to purge using that mod IIRC, but it doesn't STOP you.

>well I guess the idea is that any species that makes it to space is sane enough to realize that genocide is sort of fucked up

I mean, not to be edgy, but if a non-human species managed to get into space faring tech and a united world government , while still seeing genocide, purging and slavery as being 'just another part of life', who's to argue they're wrong?

As much as I might say it's pretty evil, it's an entirely different species with a different history, psychology and brain structure, not a human's business really.

>>161352809
>1280x720

>>161353139
Wow I thought the max setting was five?

>>161353472
>max setting was five
i had it set to 3

Hey, new to the 4x genre, I heard of this game called Aurora 4x and it seems hella cool. Am I on the wrong?
If so, What are its major flaws and what do you guys recommend for space 4x?

>>161353250
I think the idea is that if they are OK with genocide they will have it for some discrete reason, such as collectivism.

>>161353662
>PURGE DISSENT
>CARRY YOUR WEIGHT
>FOR THE GLORY OF THE EMPIRE
>but keep it on the downlow, k?

>>161352986
We are reluctant to commit genocide to other humans, but we care little for other species.

I think that as soon as humanity really reaches space age, we'd be more like Imperium of Man than anything,

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>>161354869
NOICE

Time to do an Imperium run.

>>161354869

>We are reluctant to commit genocide to other humans

Except, y'know, in warfare, extreme ideological struggles and occasionally the odd rebellion/coup.

>>161353619
Aurora is high grade autism, you will have to train for that.

Space 4x video games that are worth checking out include classics such as Master of Orion and Alpha Centauri, Distant Worlds: Universe, Galactic Civilizations 2, Endless Space (not incredibly deep, but it has a great UI and soundtrack, it's fun to play with your friends if you have any and morphing planets into different forms is fun), maybe Stellaris would be worth checking out also, afaik it's still a bit lacking in content though

>>161355021
And Africa.
Honestly the biggest thing for me is I can't wrap my head around a unified planetary government.

I mean I get it in theory but I can't imagine earth being ruled like that, what it would be like.

>>161356825
well presumably it would happen when there's a similar level of development across the world

maybe that'll never happen, though

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>>161356825

>And Africa.

At least they learned something from their ex-overlords.

>>161356825
Imagine if you had the EU but less shit and wrapped around the entire globe without the option to exit

There's a bunch of rules everyone has to follow and the countries go vote on them but there's still individual nations that govern themselves and get to pick laws for themselves within certain limitations

And then as every place becomes more and more alike we all live in a homogeneous shithole without culture, race or opinions

>>161356825
It would be extravagantly wealthy beyond comprehension. Zero competition for resources, unmitigated exploitation of all the earth's bounty bent toward whatever purpose it needs. Only way humans could accomplish this is through catastrophic warfare that annihilates about 70% of the human population.

>>161359570
WW3!
Nuclear winter, I'm so glad I live in a small island country sometimes, I doubt we'd get more than a courtesy nuke in the capital.

>>161360070
Philippines? Ireland?

>>161352986
>life is sacred maaaaaaaaan

Even among humans the reasons for genocide are not wanting to share precious resources necessary for survival with people who aren't your own

This is sometimes overridden by the fact that we can still interbreed, but even then people will usually logically trend towards those ideas who encourage foreigners to stay out and minorities to not have too many children if genocide is too morally objectionable

The only insane one is the one that opens their asshole to get fucked over by others

And in the event of sapient aliens we can't even fuck them so if they decide to kill us for our food and water and planets then our genetic legacy is totally dead.

>>161360070
New Zealand.

>>161358165
Culture can be drowned out by shitty American music/burgers and race can be bred out by spamming a million BM/WF couples in American movies but opinions are eternal

>>161360185
The worst genocides in history are invariably due to the victimized people being seen as a serious threat to the aggressor. The holocaust, the Armenian genocide, the Rwandan genocide, and to an extent the Indian wars in America are all examples of this.

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Is there any way to recover your wiped out religion in Civ 6? Like in Civ 5 you could buy a Great Prophet from your capital and it would always spread your religion.

>>161360583
Nuke would hit Auckland, not Wellington

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>>161360185
>And in the event of sapient aliens we can't even fuck them

>>161360754
Yes, but in the first place the two groups come to dislike each other because they compete for resources within the same territory and eventually one group ends up slaughtering the other as a result of those tensions

For example when some faggot aliens keep settling near my borders and I have more ships than them I bomb them into submission and make them my bitch to prevent them from stealing my fucking worlds

>>161360841
>letting your religion get wiped out

You're a cuck like the Iranians, accept your fate and worship your new god

>>161360848
REEEEE Aucklanders.
Good riddance, it just means I'll be even further away from any fallout.

>>161360996
>but in the first place the two groups come to dislike each other because they compete for resources within the same territory
That's far too much a reduction and not really applicable in any of the scenarios I listed except maybe the Indian wars in America. In the other three the main factors were a combination of paranoia and nationalism. A fear that the ethnic minority was conspiring against the majority, was actively working to destroy the country. Yes economic opportunity was a source of bitterness in many cases, but that exists in every society and yet there is no genocide. It's only when there is a confluence of paranoia, nationalism, and ethnic tensions that you see a genocide take place. There needs to be an imminent threat from the group, something that can no longer be suffered or tolerated.

>>161361475
tell me about new zealand, anon.

>>161361475
>even in tiny island nations at the ass end of nowhere are fractured by disunity and tribalistic attitudes toward people living in different cities
lol we're never getting off this rock

>>161361832
I like to think Star Trek is a realistic future and we're all going to be above this someday

but the reality is that we'll probably perish in nuclear fire

>>161362039
When we're all equally enslaved under the sentient AI we bring into being then at last we can progress.

>>161361614
Well you have the north island with the capital Wellington done in the south of it but Aukland is a larger more populated city, with a population larger than the whole south island where I live.

It's probably not as distinct to foreigners or even north islanders but they've noticably different to the rest of the country but that might just be because our country is so small it's the only place you could call a city compared to the rest of the world.

>>161361832
It's partly bantz but honestly like I said above I think it's more small town vs city. Plus I think it's stupid that Auckland is way more important in almost every way than our capital.

>>161362141
thank you based AM

>>161362206
>Plus I think it's stupid that Auckland is way more important in almost every way than our capital.
It's like that for most US states, hell for the US itself. Washington D.C. is a shithole and aside from some nice landmarks there's nothing special about it. We've got like 4 or 5 cities well ahead of it in importance. In fact I'm struggling to think of a state whose capital is also it's largest and most prosperous city.

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>>161361108
I'm sorry 3 civ's decided to wage holy war over my continent before I even got my 3rd city down.

I don't even have a religion, it's just a pantheon.

>>161362326
Mass.

>>161362418
Well that's one.

>>161362326
Arizona?

>>161353250
>entirely different species with a different history, psychology and brain structure
Meanwhile, every single species organizes its society so that it is controlled by a tiny number of elites, population growth is based on food production even after developing space travel, and poor people living in slums don't even count as living beings.

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How the fuck are they pushing their borders out so far?

>>161364764
Frontier outpost.

>>161364764
Qifitar had a Shadow Play anomaly on it, didn't it?

>>161364764
Frontier outposts mang. You should build 1 or 2 before you even build your first colony.

So, I read the following:
>Talented is SIGNIFICANTLY better because of the concept of first turn advantage. Getting more sooner is drastically important in game theory, and your leaders certainly do not live in a bubble. You're governors are clearing tiles and putting up buildings faster, giving you more resource to do everything. You're generals are just better, etc. etc.

>It's actually so good, that this "small 200 exp bonus" will not be overcome by a quick learner until they have earned 1333 (pre-bonus) experience. Beside this being after hitting 5 stars, even if this crossed between 3 to 4, talented would be significantly better because of the above, and because of lack of downtime in the future. Having one star leaders is dead time compared to a talented race.

And I decided to experiment. Previously, I'd been using a Quick Learners species with Direct Democracy to maximize experience gain.

I removed Quick Learners (and used the point to buy Communal) and went with Indirect Democracy instead, to get the +1 and then +2 Leader Level. Eventually, you research Selected Lineages (+1) and Capacity Boosters (+1) for a total of +4 leader levels.

For those keeping count, that's a minimum of 5, or the maximum level possible, with no downtime. What's more, Indirect Democracy and Democratic Utopia help keeps your leaders affordable.

The difference is staggering.

I didn't go with Talented because, with the above bonuses, it would be a waste of points.

Even without it, my leaders are much more capable. Quick level gain really only benefits Scientists to a great degree. It's awesome to have dependable, high-level leaders boosting planetary yields, army and navy damage, etc.

I really suggest you guys give this a shot.

>>161366169
>you are governors
>you are generals

>>161366314
As expected from the kind of person who has to write an essay about how talented is (obviously) better than quick learner.

>>161366314
>>161366927
I read that elsewhere; I didn't write it.

Besides which, I didn't end up using Talented anyway; I was just commenting that having immediately superior leaders trumps having weak leaders that level quickly.

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First time playing Endless Space, how do I do anything please help.

>>161367648
Having never played the game myself; my first bit of advice would be to git gud :^)

>going for science victory
>everybody hates me and keeps attacking me
>don't want domination
>just remain in a state of perpetual war constantly refusing peace with artillery camped right outside enemy capitals and shelling them every turn to keep their economies crippled while I build my spaceship

Someone pick the Ethoses of my new Stellaris race

actually just pick one fanatic or two regular, because the other one is going to be xenophobe

>>161348719
>be Japan
>too slow to claim a great prophet and found a religion
>rest of game is spent stewing in anger as foreign missionaries run around my cities fighting with each other to make their religion the majority in my civ
>no way to close the borders to them under pain of death like the Tokugawa actually did
I fucking hate the way they implemented this

>>161370095
Fanatic spiritualist

Go full religious crazy

>>161370095
Fanatic pacifist.

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>>161370353
I already have a race like that but alright

>>161370494
fuck you honestly, that ethic is unplayable

Now somebody choose my government.

>>161370607
Despotic Empire

>>161370607
Divine Mandate

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>>161370735
Alright.

>>161370876
I might switch later, we'll see.

Now, last but not least, traits.

>>161370941
Become Transcendent Empire later. God King purging infidels and xenos

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>>161370941
Well, I ended up choosing these because nobody cares about my posts.

literally me

>>161371509
>implying you're talented and intelligent
Shoulda pick retarded, self-centered, ugly, distrustful, hated, boring, irrelevant and short-lived.

is civilization outer space still a complete abortion? are they going to fix it or keep making it?

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>>161371716

>>161371985
You brought this on yourself by projecting in your game.

>>161371838
>devs
>fixing games
Nah.

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>set 25% habitable worlds
>4 planets of my type right next to me

great galaxy generation paradox

>>161328983
What's that thing on the far right? Vanilla or mod?
I don't have it, but I have version 1.3.0

>>161375218
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=688294178

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>>161371985
Don't listen to the bully!
To me, you'll always be a special little boy!

>>161370941
>>161371509
your traits are boring as fuck. Choose these:
rapid breeders
deviants
very strong
nonadaptive
nomadic

>>161377861
Has anybody every used traits like "Agrarian"?

>>161378125
I have in the early days

>>161378340
Isn't it shit in comparison to other traits?

>>161377861
well where were you like 2 hours ago

>>161378632
Agrarian is a very long term trait. You don't see much benefit early but on fully developed planets it effectively allows 1 or 2 fewer farms directly translating into more energy or research.

>>161358165
>The EU but less shit

If I had to think of a way to make the EU worse, it'd be to expand it to encompass more non-Europeans.

An OWG would be a hellscape without fail. We're frankly better off having periodic world wars than we are trying to federalize the entire planet.

>>161378739
with your mom
:^)

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>>161322438
>mfw

>>161328157

man aow3 ended up real good

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>>161321326
>early to mid-game is genuinely fun and comfy
>end-game (especially science) is a huge fucking slog

at least in civ 5 you could set your cities to an infinite science/money queue and breeze through the end-game if you were ahead. now there's just endless micromanagement over nothing.

>>161360754
What about the treatment of the indigenous Australians? Because it's very hard to argue that the aboriginals were a serious threat to colonial rule at the time of the Stolen Generations.

>one fucking race is forming an alliance with all the people I planned to crush
>my closest target is now an associate and I have to wait 8 years to declare war
>they'll probably join before I can attack them
What do I do about these peaceful trading menaces?

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Is distant worlds 4x?
Is it >fun?

>>161382725
Distant worlds is great as long as you don't mind an interface that looks like it's from Windows 95

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>>161382682
pic related

>>161382573
>abos
>people

>>161382573
they should have wiped them out. Then you wouldn't have so many fucking cunts bitching about it for 200 years.

>>161382682
>>161382754
>build big navy
>crush all who oppose you
also
>2241
>having trouble already

>>161382748
Aren't there mods to fix that?

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So how bad is this? Can I just ignore the system or am I screwed?

>>161384065
I'm so sorry.

>>161384175
this is after having my initial fleet wiped about 1k pirates, another ship exploring killed by by Crystals.

On the flip side that habitable world system is a 25 Gaia and 17 Ocean (Ocean preference), and Karos has 9 minerals. This start be crazy

>>161384065
rip in pieces

>>161384280
It wanders around.

>>161380371
>not just having Robots

>>161370607
>fuck you honestly, that ethic is unplayable
It really isn't.

>>161370607
>Never trust the alien; its false smile hides an unknowable mind
Hmm....
Sounds like.....
Never mind.

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>hey bro
>i see you picked russia
>did you want to be alone in this tundra
>with no farmable tiles
>with 4 barbarians camps
>i got you bro

>>161385425
You're right. It sounds exactly like

Lizard People

>>161384928
>having robots

Which Civ do i pick in Civ6 to go full-jew?

>3 scientists croak within a couple of months
It's not like i wanted that colony or something

>>161385696
>tfw there's no secret banking cabal victory

>>161386491
Gold has always been the "no victory by itself but you can do WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT" in Civ.
Much like irl money doesn't provide happiness by itself but can buy it or ease its pursuit.

>>161386491
>implying bribing city states with mad cash to win the diplomacy victory doesn't count

>>161385696
Arabians are the in-game Jews.

I saw a donut map the other day, is it in the advanced options or do I have to customize it?

>>161386996
I think he meant VI, in which there's no option to do exactly that.

Hopefully they change the city state mechanics a bit and add another one-city moneymaker civ, so I can be the Iron Bank/Phezzan/Reptilian Hive again.

>>161387089
It's the "american cop" setting.

>>161386996
Diplomacy victory was easy as fuck in Civ V, follow autocracy and put 1-2 tanks (destroyers are fine too) in each city state after you unlock the gunboat diplomacy.

>>161387137
>Phezzan
Proof of how fucking infuriating religious victory can be.

>after 8 hours of research I finally got automated exploration protocols
Oh yeah baby that's the stuffs.

>>161385802
>donut map
It's called Inland Sea you fucking Haralda.

>>161387649
What does it have to do with scientists???

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Is it possible for me to vassalize/alliance these little guys? I'm pretty new and can't get out of just friendly, they seem to be my only allies in the area.

>>161387878
Is ES2 just EL in space?

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>>161387878
are they not already the vassal of someone?

>>161387975
Is he about to suck some alien anal cock?

>>161387973
It's Stellaris not ES2

>>161387975
They're the overlords of a species they uplifted

>>161388029
well that is the vassals job

>>161387649
If he's talking about the same screenshot I'm thinking of it was actually a big round island with a big sea in the middle.

>>161388116
ah, well check the little red X next to 'demand vassalization' to see what opinion score you need. And scroll down to check whether alliance is available. Some species will never ally/vassal with you because of ethos conflicts but they seem happy with you so it should be possible

>>161388218
I just got the research for federation, which is what I was after I assume, thanks anyway mate.

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>first sciene ship dies to a 20% failure chance anomaly in my homesystem
Thanks RNGesus

>>161388830
>not save scumming anomaly researches

>>161388830
Why did you take such a huge risk?

>That United empire battleship
UNF
I can't wait for ES2 to get more optimized shit starts chugging hard around 60 turns in.

Scum band together in federation/alliance
shit on them 1v5 with an even fleet
suddenly half the galaxy wants to talk to me or "heard about me through other empires"
keked, xeno scum.

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>Create a high water level map with abundant native live
>see this
>wat do?

How do I win a war on stellaris? I've utterly demolished their fleet, I sit on a homeworld with my fleet and try and demand but its only 49%, i've wiped out a lot of stations on my way here too.

>>161390962
I think a part of the lag is the AI spamming probes everywhere.

>>161392107
Learn to fish

>>161392648
capture their planets or blockade their planets

if they have lots of allies the warscore gets retarded and insanely difficult to get up to 100% even if you capture all the planets of the one empire you're targeting.

>Missile cruisers range isn't longer than battleship gun range
This is unforgivable.

>>161392879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMRK5vFsuV0

>>161362039
>we're all going to be above this someday
If you're above a fundamentql part of human nature...

>>161392794
One of the allys had a hidden fleet he was jumping away from me when I came close, thanks for the advice.

Now another Stellaris question, why are sectors so fucking stupid, They're almost full pop but the sector leaders havent bought power plants or other tile buildings yet for most the plots

>>161382573
Abos are offenive to the eyes. I'm serious, being ass ugly and with a fuckstrange culture is more than enough reason for most cultures to want them to fuck off forever.

>>161393176
sectors are still pretty dumb but they don't queue buildings and upgrades etc. so it may look like they aren;t doing anything but they are. Also check what direction you are giving them, they should always be aiming to at least be self sufficient with energy/minerals if you leave the 'respect tile resource' ticked I think

>>161382573
That's probably why it never turned into a full on violent genocide and stayed as an insidious ""peaceful"" thing.

>>161393136
Well back in the Stone Age you had a 10% chance of being killed by another human. Now, worldwide, less than 1% of people are killed by other people, and every year it gets less (for reference, you're twice as likely to kill yourself as you are to be killed by someone else). So there's nothing saying we can't transcend violence.

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Alright Civ5 nognigs, what is your favorite leader at the moment?

Hardmode: No Fred, Girugamesh, or Trajan.

Pic related.

>>161393786
Havent found a leader that i like over the rest yet
I want Bismarck/Willem back dammit

>>161393786
Mvemba is the best dude. Getting mbanzas super early feels too good.

>>161393569
The problem isn't violence and never was, the 'problem' is the tribalistic attitude of us vs. them, which always happens because humans look to others for their problems instead of themselves and work to further their own interests, and the interests of 'us', at the cost of the interest of others.
Hell even today, we don't transcend violence - there's just laws in place. In 3000 BC you might be able to kill someone and get away with it or else argue some family feud, but that doesn't fly anymore and so to avoid punishment we devise other methods of hurting the interests of 'them' while advancing 'our' interests.
The mentality isn't just race or culture either, anything you consider part of 'your' identity is generally defended against outsiders. See MAGA-implication is that it's not that america is bad, but was made bad by people like Clinton. Or how every random hates China or Russia with a fury, or deflect attacks on their own faults to others. Exceptions exist but this is the general trend, and when actual conflict of interest arises, then it comes down to that mentality. Why should you let someone else take the last PS4 in stock? Why shouldn't you order a goddamn mozerella stick even if it's the last box before they close, what the guy behind you wants be damned? Nothing. Similarly, there's nothing wrong with us vs. them in the manner of nothing wrong with winter being cold. It just is.
Violence is when rules are no longer enough to contain, or resolve, the conflict of interests. This is fine. Trying to transcend it doesn't make any sense and would lead to shit like a mother letting her kid starve when there's one piece of bread available because another, more intelligent or nicer looking kid is also starving.

So civ 6 is gonna have a bigger discount than 10% this christmas, right?

>>161394427
Maybe easter if you're lucky.

>>161394427
Why even bother, wait for them to clean it up.

>Pikeman, 200 production
>Knight 180 production

makes the old neurons transmit down the axon

>>161394549
are you also in the hearthstone thread or is this a spicy new meme I'm just now hearing about

either way, fuck cavalry.

>>161394549
It's especially retarded because pikes and spears are most noteable for being dirt fucking cheap.

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>Buy Endless Legend on sale.
>Go through tutorial, standard shit.
>Flip through factions and their lore.
>mfw Broken Lords
I don't circlejerk to design often but holy shit these fucks are amazing.
Its like DEUS VULT and mass genocide all rolled into one with badass gold plate and its glorious.
Cultists also get props too for being genuinely creepy looking without going over the top.

>>161394686
>hearthstone

>>161394686
"really makes you think" and variations is a recent phrase that has come into use

I am amazed with the United Empire prologue

>make them our patriot - with a smiling fucker as ambassador
>reaches new height - with the corpses of those poor fruit nigger beneath and a broken apple, fucker still smiling

Sounded just like us.

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>>161394728

>>161394549
On the other hand you can make pikemen but you never have any iron.

>Turn 1 spotted by barb scout, horseman spawn
>Turn 2, settle captured by horseman

>>161394728
It really does have unique factions for a fantasy 4x

And yeah, I gotta say the Broken Lords are my favourite as well. Especially the Gothic architecture of their cities and the whole 'cursed hunger' thing making them essentially vampires - except that they're glowing magic science ghosts trapped in armour suits.

>>161395039
Fucking kek, was that gg?

>>161395079
Yes

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>>161395129
BARBED
A
R
B
E
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>>161395039
Barbarian horsemen literally make me mad. Maybe it's just because I've been playing the higher difficulties lately, but it seems like every barb encounter plays out like this

>Scout walks out of fog of war
>from barb camp I didn't hear spawn
>on other side of empire from my army
>5 turns later, 4 horsemen 2 horse archers arrive
>they start pillaging everything
>I roll one tank/crossbowman/knight/whatever to clean them up
>by the time I've even gotten a unit over to clear out the camp, another wave has spawned
JUST

>>161395306
>initial warrior scouts left
>barb scout comes from the right
>chase the scout back to the camp
>get eaten by horse archers

>waaaaaa ES2 is incomplete and simple as fuck
>everyone bought civ 6 just fine

>>161395306
Just build a lot of scouts or warriors in the start place them around your country. Barbs can only spawn in Fag of War.

>>161395306
Just build a lot of scouts or warriors in the start place them around your country. Barbs can only spawn in Fag of War.

Or just go and play EL, its a much better game.

>>161396289
>>161396168
epiq

>>161394427
>10% discount in late october
>more than 10% discount 2 weeks later

No, that would be fucking stupid. It's just like people thinking Total War Warhammer will be discounted when they've already got a 20% discount going on if you get a Grombrindal code.

>station maint is eating 80% of my energy gains on Stellaris
what do? I guess I should not create a station for every planet?

>>161385358
I disagree.

>>161397550
Well, you should be producing more energy.

And yeah, putting a mining station on every +2 Minerals asteroid isn't necessarily the best idea.

>>161398268
I'm not home right now but I bet I can trade extra minerals to the AI for a positive net energy amount

I know this may be completely unrelated to the general but I was wondering, since you folks like strategy/tactics games

have any of you played this?
Is it any good?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/341150/?snr=1_5_9__412

>>161400442
Don't think with your dick anon, gameplay looks terrible.

>>161400615
>>161400442
The fanservice does too.

>>161400615
I mean, I wasn't paying too much attention to the trailer with the girl - and was willing to give the low production value a shot, but yeah I guess it doesn't seem like stellar gameplay

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Is Stellaris worth grabbing for 33% off or should I hold off a year more or so?

>>161401525
Stellaris is barebones, bugged, unbalanced with tons of tiny annoying shit that adds up and all its DLCs are hilariously overpriced.
Maybe its worth its money if it every gets a GOTY edition with all the DLCs or something.
Unless you really badly want into its 4X space empire niche, I can't recommend it

>>161401525
it's missing trading and such, so the only way to play it is aggressive expansion. Better wait for the dlc

>>161401525
P I R A T E
I
R
A
T
E

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I fucked up Brazil and took one of their cities.
We made peace but I see this now. Wat are they up to

>>161401525
>buying

>>161400442
Honestly? No. It looks like a flash game with a price tag on it.

>>161402090
B-but it's okay, patches and DLCs soon dear customer!

>>161401525
Stellaris was the worst $40 I ever spent and I regret it daily since the sales.

>>161403705
Yeah, I'm sure looking forward to 7 buck DLCs that add one shiptype. Or ten bucks for tiny features that non jewish devs would have patched in. That are bugged on top of that. Seriously, the only thing worth it is the Levithans themselves, and they're not worth ten fucking bucks.

>>161403705
The one thing Paradox is legit for is that you can pirate 300 bucks worth of DLC and act like it's legit, even public multi and forums and all that, if you buy the base game, just by dropping the DLC in. In that sense, a paradox game will NEVER cost more than its base price and thus has the best long term support in vidya and some of the best long term value to date.

>>161403828
Bitch please.
Let me tell you about Planetary Annihilation, Inescapable, and Starbound...

>>161403898
wtf I'm a #Wizard now

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>>161404017

Spore

>>161404279
I'm more mad at spore because of what could've been.

>>161404279
>>161404387
I actually had fun with Spore. It was a huge disappointment, but at least it was playable.

PA requires you to be online 24/7 or "your pc may overheat and die" and is still shit compared to Supreme Commander, Inescapable is one of the worst piece of shit I ever played, and Starbound is a scam where the devs exploited bugs to legitimate themselves.

YOU DID THIS! YOU AND YOUR I AM FOND OF PIGS MEME!

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38144598

Winston fucking Churchill is protected by pigs. The bill isn't halal nor kosher!

>>161404637
>"We demand that you cease to use animal products in the production of currency that we have to use," the petition reads.
>On Twitter annoyed vegetarians and vegans have said it's "not cool" and "disgusting" and asking whether their rights have been considered.
And I thought British people were chills and stoics, turns out vegetarians are stupid everywhere.

>>161404735
>nd I thought British people were chills and stoics

LMAO

what possible reason did you have to think this

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>>161404017
>>161404279
>Bought Stellaris
>Bought PA and titans
>Bought Starbound.
I didn't realize until a week ago that PA was basically Supreme Commander lite at twice the price, four if you include titans.
Now I don't even have enough to spare for the EL DLC's while they're on sale.
Serves me right for being an idiot while I had cash I guess.

>>161404874
If you haven't played it for more than two hours, and if you bought them less than two weeks ago, you can ask a refund.

>>161371716
Based

>>161404931
I bought Stellaris on launch, bought PA five months ago and Titans three, and I've had Starbound since the beta.
I don't think I'm getting any refunds.

>>161404485
That's what I meant. I mean it wasn't worth its price but ultimately I was less angry in the HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT IS UNPLAYABLE a-la R2 or CiV, but more just a coldness, a drearyness, that made my inner child, my inner dreamer, very sad.

>>161404874
>he unironically bought Planetary Annihilation

it's morons like you that lets trash like that keep getting made

well I suppose it was kickstarted, but you still helped

>>161404735

>And I thought British people were chills and stoics, turns out vegetarians are stupid everywhere.

'Stoic' was something you could probably ascribe to a lot of people, though people are encouraged to get upset and offended about petty shit more and more as time goes on.

People have no concept of their rights any more anyway, people will not care about surveillance bills that actually effect personal rights, but will refuse to discuss certain topics on the basis of 'muh rights'.

Apparently these people value the 'right' to force everyone else in society to stop using animal products over the 'right' to use them, and also to not be spied on.

>>161404983
I bought PA at launch when it was 80$. Almost never played it.

I eat potatoes every day to punish myself. I need proteins.

>>161405004
Same here. I retried it recently, and I found it that Spore is almost impossible to replay.
The space phase is fine the first time, but so fucking tedious the second and a pain in the ass the third, with all the grinding to get the money, the badges, the weapons...

>>161405178
Yeah. And for these people, "respect" is never two-sided. I have diabetes, and I get offended on a daily basis by all the weeaboos saying "too cute I need muh insulin" but I let it go because I'm not a pussy. People these days feel like complaining about everything, and they never shut up.

>>161403828
>spending 40 dollars

lmao what a dumbass

I bought it for 30 dollars at release

>>161405151
Bought titans too, you don't think I regretted it?
I was a retard, I'll readily admit that.
I bought it during a time I didn't even know Supreme Commander existed and it looked fun as fuck, but as it turns out one faction and a shit upgrade system makes it dull really quickly.

>>161404637
This is a great idea though, nobody likes fragile money.
Vegetarians need to fuck off forever, why live even we're consuming oxygen xDDD.
Also, 2016 is truly a magical year.

>>161405178
Neither is an actual 'right'. Human rights continually expand to ludicrous effect.
The right to not be robbed, attacked, or cuckolded are probably the only three true rights as part of human nature as a communal animal. All others can be discussed at length.

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>>161387089
I posted that image, it was from V.

It's not donut but it played exactly like it. Here's the picture from VI.

I lost to We wuz Space Kings Kongo.

>>161405004
I got Spore and all its DLC for like ten dollars

>>161405261
>buying a game for 80 dollars

What a dumbdumb

>>161405297
>I bought it during a time I didn't even know Supreme Commander existed
As someone who got interested in SupCom the moment the first pictures came out, who followed its developement, and got it as soon as it launched, only to be disappointed by its bad AI and bad optimization, and giving it up, I envy you.

At least the stand-alone Forged Alliance fixed it and make it really fun even without friends.

>>161405261
Respect isn't earned for these people, it's a 'right'. That's the root of all shit /pol/ calls 'libtard'.

>>161405285
But do you regret it?
Still kinda on the fence myself if the 27 Euro was well spent.
At least i got Civ6 at 20, hurts a little less

>>161405506
I'm not familiar with /pol/'s slang. What's a libtard?

>>161405574
You learned nothing huh.

>>161405297
It... was a spiritual successor to Supreme Commander. The entire marketing campaign for the game was "It's like Supreme Commander."

Did you just see the cool pictures and buy it without reading any reviews?

>>161405593
The psychotic Oberlin style "leftists"

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>>161405457
You basically described my starbound experience.
It's not all bad though, for each terrible game I have I've gotten the better game it tried to rip off.
For PA I've got FA and the FAF client, for Stellaris I've got SoSE, and for Starbound I've got Terraria.
I just need to learn be more cautious with my purchases and I'm gud.
Took me enough wasted cash to learn it though, jesus.

>>161405593
Basically just a liberal, but applicable specifically to self-announced righteouness, moral high ground, victim play, minority rights (specifically, shit like BLM and Feminazis) and the demand of respect (that they don't show you back).

>>161405574
It is an okay game but then I've never advanced to the point where I can challenge Fallen Empires despite having 100~ hours playtime. For people who like to rapidly explore all the game's capabilities rather than dicking around in space and bullying ugly aliens it probably has less overall replayability.

Also there are no DLCs out for it that I would actually buy. It's like paradox is retarded or something.

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Brilliant!

So how's stellaris right now? I played it on release and midgame onwards it was a slog, have they made any improvements with dlc?

>>161405687
Sorry, still not getting it.

>>161405694
>Took me enough wasted cash to learn it though, jesus.
Like all of us, mate. Well, me anyway. I think my last impulse buy was Slime Rancher, and I still don't regret it, even through it's early access and I already saw pretty much everything it has to offer.

>>161405725
Ha, so a tumblrtard and a SJW.

>>161405593
libtard= liberal+retard, originating among Americans since Europoors consider "liberal" to mean conservative due to its association with capitalism as a system and Europe's love affair with socialism. Leftard is a synonym.

>>161405795
It's okay. There are a lot of good mods now. The next big update is going to be in December or January, so may want to wait for that.

>>161405743
If you look at most paradox games they make fairly good games, but in "bundles" where they sell a relatively lacking base game but the DLC's up the quality enough to be great.

Stellaris is on a different footing because one its a new game in paradox terms and two its Paradox's first attempt at a 4x game coming from grand strategy games.

>>161405795
Not really.

>>161405817
Basically, but a bit broader than just an SJW. Moralfags (i.e., also people who might have actual points but argue from just morals) fall under it too for example.

>>161405924
The worst part about arguing with someone that argues from just morals is that the moment you disagree with them regardless of reason they see you as a threat against everything they stand for.
Like, can I just please have a bit of a conversation over how eating a taco bowl isnt "cultural appropriation" without being called a fucking racist, jesus.
With how they scream its so fucking hard to take them seriously, yet they demand to be.
Literally child tier behavior honestly.

>>161405924
I don't exactly know what a liberal is, since we have different politics in my country, but I understand the general idea.

Basically a know-it-all who saw it all on the internet and think that all "wrong" opinion are caused by stupidity, and thus take a condescending tone when talking to other people?

guys, how is Endless Space 2 doing?
Is it worth getting?

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>play stellaris
>powerful enemy declares war
>huge notification spam every month
>close everything
>manage to win by outsmarting stupid AI
> destroy all their ships
>hell yeah, I'm gonna finally remove their ugly enclaves
>war just ends
>okay, maybe I missed something, I'll reload and see what I did wrong
>realise I can't set any demands anymore
>after their crushing defeat and me losing half my ships I can only demand white peace because I didn't notice some notification in spam
Fuck this piece of shit game.

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>>161405795

It's actually quite entertaining in multiplayer, because humans actually act intelligently, have capacity for friendship but also for betrayal and deceit.
Right now the AI is too retarded for singleplayer, even if they could manage fleets and wars properly, it still would feel shit, because they don't actually have agendas or goals.

Let's say Spiritualist Xenophobe AI might have some kind of bias to purge other empires on some genocidal rampage. Or 'Federation builders' might actually actively be biased towards create federations and to liberate systems and vassalize/ally with them.

Maybe some materialist scientific directive AI might simply seek to explore the universe and maximise scientific expansion. A militaristic materialistic empire might be biased towards extremely advanced weaponry, for instance.

Right now however, from the limited examination of AI that Paradox has allowed, the AI in Stellaris really is stupider than a fucking brick, they're all the same, the AI empires do not play to their strengths, militaristic empires don't focus military, they simply have a bonus to certain attributes. Scientific empires don't focus science, they simply have a stat bonus to science.

Oh and, the AI personalities? Literally the ONLY effect they have is + or - to approval rating for diplomatic interactions, there is nothing else.

The AI is genuinely inferior to some other 4x games, which is the irritating part, it doesn't seem like any kind of inspiration or care was put into the game in general, let alone the AI

>>161406674
Maybe one day we'll get real life androids that can play vidya?

>>161406614
well I suppose now you learned to immediately set your demands when someone declares on you