/dsg/ - Demon's and Dark Souls General

I don't understand this game at all. I mean, I kinda do but not really

Is this like, the living world or the afterlife?
what does it mean to be a lord of cinder? why are there 5? why is the kiln of the first flame a clusterfuck of kingdoms toppled onto eachother? whos the soul of cinder? What is cinder and what is unkindled? how come the player character becomes a lord of cinder in the end if unkindled are "not even cinder"

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keeperfu is the only good thing about DaS3

>>161307587
I stomped on her on all my playthroughs

>>161307587
>Second worst girl is the only thing good about third worst game
Interesting

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xth for best girl(male)

>>161307570
did you really make a pasta out of my post in last thread

>>161307346

Go look at the list of UGS. The Cathedral Knight Greatsword is pretty much middle of the pack. Greatswords in general are OP.

>>161307587
as interesting as cardboard and like cardboard the only entertaining thing about her is ripping her apart

>>161307670
Second best girl*

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>>161307670

>Dark Souls 3 is worse than Dark Souls 2

DeS=DaS>DaS2>BB>DaS3

demon's souls being ranked above any other souls game is the best bait meme in /dsg/

>>161307712
Not that guy but I don't get any of that either.
To be honest, I never understood what the fuck is going on in any Souls game. Every dialogue and lore tidbits from items seems like a bunch of random buzzwords out of someone's ass.
I think english not being my first language helped in that too.

>>161307670
>third worst game
>in a series with 4 or 5 games

Dark souls 3 is a videogame that exists, it has gameplay mechanics and graphics, there is a story.

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>>161307897

>>161307898
DeS and das while mechanically outdated are still the superior games as their focus is on story and atmosphere over ADHD stylised gameplay

>>161307928
What's the difference between Undead and Unkindled?

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>>161308047
>>161307897
>>161307851
>>161307670

>>161308047
DaS focuses on neither story nor atmosphere, it focuses on a strong PvE experience (in the first half/two thirds of the game).
DeS does focus on both of those though, and doesn't have much else going for it.

>>161308076

Unkindled are undead. Unlike other undead, they don't naturally go hollow over time.

Why haven't I found this guy before? He's fucking hilarious

https://youtu.be/PDgn4b09MqI

>If I was 20 feet closer and he was parrying he would have gotten me for sure

>>161308047
>ADHD stylised gameplay

Why did they make all the enemies so aggressive?

>>161307808
>third worst game
My list is BB=> 1 > 3 > Demon's > 2

>>161308247
This is actually fucking nice

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i may be the only person here who thinks das3 is the best and deserves much more credit

>>161308247
that sounds exactly the same as

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGocMPc7l5M

>Trying to imitate goose god from courage the cowardly dog are ya

anyone got any decent female sliders for DS2?

>>161308481
It deserves more credit but out of the trilogy of Dark Souls it's barely the best, out of the "Souls" anthology it's just floating around near the top, and in the whole collective "Soulsborne" series it's a distant second best

Bb,DeS,Das1 are the only good games
From software can't into sequels

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>>161308289
DUDE
BLOODBORNE
LMAO

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>>161308556
here you go

>>161308181
How do you become undead? Is everybody in these games undead/unkindled?

Is ENB gonna become Cosmo Wright 2.0?

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>>161308612
Reminder that Bloodborne ruined
>healing
>invasions
>hitboxes
>tactful enemy design

>>161308735
Dark Souls 1 + DLC will always be the best FromSoft game to me

>>161308646
You become undead by getting branded by the darksign. It seems to happen randomly whenever the First Flame starts fading. You become unkindled if you were an undead who failed to link the fire in one of the previous cycles and are resurrected by the firelink bell.
Most of people in DaS1 and 2 are undead and most of the people in DaS 3 are unkindled, but there are some exceptions (for example, Sieglinde from DaS1 was a human, and the Shrine Handmaid from DaS3 is a non-unkindled undead)

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>>161308735

>>161308862
plunging attacks have always been the most unreliable shit in dark souls
you can land perfectly on top of somebody and do 0 (ZERO) damage, and you can do what you did in that webm

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>>161308735
>he thinks dark souls ever had good hitboxes

i had a good laugh

>>161308646

First, you have to understand what existence is in the Dark Souls universe. At first, it was nothing but archtrees and everlasting dragons. Nothing moved, nothing changed. Then, the first flame appeared, and it brought disparity.

Note the important word here: Disparity. Heat and cold. Life and death. Light and dark.

Now what you have to understand is that before the first flame, none of those things existed. It was not an age of darkness. It was an age of nothingness. Light did not exist, but neither did dark. The gods themselves never understood that. After waging war with the dragons, they waged war against the dark.

Now, in the original Dark Souls, humanity is greatly associated with the dark. In fact, it becomes obvious that humanity itself is a manifestation of the dark. However, you have to understand what this means: It means humanity is a manifestation of disparity. This is why as you go hollow, you lose your humanity: You are actually losing disparity.

Now, a few beings understood that dark was necessary in a world with disparity. In fact, seeing the gods' terrible and misguided war against the dark, they fought tooth and nail to help spread the dark. However, they did not understand how it worked either. They thought that in order to preserve disparity, the age of fire should end and that an age of dark should begin. What they did not understand was that the age of fire was not the age of light, it was the age of light and dark. Seeking to let the first flame go out would only bring about an end to the disparity.

http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Giant+Dad+2.0

which one of you did this?

>>161308941
PvE in Dark Souls has hitboxes that are just fine, some of the grabs might be just a bit outside what they should be for the model but-

>monster hunter fag

Why do you people even enter this general when you've got nothing to say about the games

>>161308941
It's sad that good hitboxes are considered impressive and called porn by meme-loving fuck. They should be a standard.

>>161308941
>Monster Hunter
You do realize MH is notorious for the sheer amount of shitboxes it has became Capcom refuses to update gen 1 and gen 2 monsters like Narga "bite you with my knee" cuga, Plesioth and many others? That webm illustrates the exceptions that prove the rule.

>>161308968

Likewise, the gods sought to maintain the flame, all while trying to put it out. The reason the fire was fading was simple: The world was running out of disparity. And that in itself was the result of the gods' war on the dark.

So now we have to understand what happens at the end of Dark Souls 1, and during Dark Souls 2 and 3. In either of the 2 first Dark Souls games, choosing the "dark" ending would not bring about an "age of dark", it would merely bring about the end of disparity. The end of the world. But in both cases, we know that the canon ending is the kindling the flame ending. Now, what does kindling the flame means?

It means restoring disparity. It means either removing excess light or dark, or creating light or dark to balance out the excess of one. In the first game, you spend your time killing gods and their followers, then sacrifice their light to enter the kiln of the first flame to put out Gwyn's remaining light. You essentially kindle the fire by removing light from the world. Strangely, the kindling the fire is actually one where the dark is restored to parity with the light.

In Dark Souls 2, you instead remove dark from the world. You gather light to prove your worth, but ultimately, you destroy a lot of dark and seal it away, bringing back disparity to the world.

But what does that mean for Dark Souls 3?

>>161309053

So now we have Dark Souls 3, and it comes to a head. You see, it seems the solution throughout the ages to restore disparity has always been to sacrifice excess dark or excess light. Now we seem to have reached a point where both are in short supply. Also note the difference from the first two games. In Dark Souls 1 and 2, you restored your humanity. In 3, you restore your "ember". I haven't thought about what the ember is precisely, but the symbolism is clear: The ember is the little spark of disparity left in the world. The barrier between light and dark have gotten so weak that it's what we're reduced to. We can't restore our disparity with the dark, because there isn't enough dark to go around. If there was, there wouldn't be enough light to bring about the disparity necessary for the world to exist. The world is essentially scraping by.

It seems that what we're attempting to do is gather the ashes of the greatest lords in the world in a last ditch attempt to rekindle the first flame, to keep disparity running just a while longer. But the truth is that you're pretty much sacrificing the remaining disparity in the world to obtain disparity. It makes no sense. It's impossible to do.

>>161308479
this guy is fantastic. His constant sarcastic drawl makes my loins tingle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QFKtoL06k

>>161308848
Eygon and Greirat are also non-kindled Undead it seems.
The rest aside from Siegward, Hawkwood, Anri/Horace and the player character might be Unkindled or not.

Funny thing is, that it seems that while the Undead are kind of like diseased in a way, the Unkindled are prisoners and woken up specifically to fulfill their duties. This is both reflected in dialogue by Ludleth and the Firekeeper and the way Siegward dies after fulfilling his questline. He doesn't get killed, he just dies.

>>161309118

This is why the first flame embodies itself and fights so hard when you come to try and rekindle it. It's actually fighting to remain lit. Because no matter what you do, it's done. Once you defeat it, if you try to "rekindle" it with ashes, you sacrifice what little is left to try to save it. Like needing a human sacrifice to save the last human life. If you don't try to rekindle it, it's too far gone anyway.

In the end, it doesn't matter which ending you chose in Dark Souls 3. The fire goes out, disparity disappears from the world and it's the end of all.

>>161308526
holy shit das2 looks 20 times slower than I remember

>>161309118
Why does the Sable Church and Kaathe want to bring about the end of the world?

Why do the four kings look like humanoid humanity?

>>161309182
Watch the Network test footage of DaS2.

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This fucking fight...

Oh boy. Time for some truth. Fuck the waifufags. Fuck all the idiots. I'm going to say it: Dancer is one of the worst, if not THE worst boss fight in Dark Souls 3. Oh, on an aesthetic level, it's brilliant. The music, the sound effects, the way the boss moves, the design, etc. But gameplay mechanics wise? Holy shit, I've tried. I've tried to see it as a well designed boss fight. It isn't. It just fucking isn't.

I mean who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give the boss the ability to go from its idle, "look at my ass" position to hitting you with its swords for 1000+ health in one frame? I fucking frapsed it, at 60 FPS, it goes from idle to sword through you in one frame. There is NO fucking warning. The boss can randomly decide to ruin your attempt and there's nothing you can fucking do about it.

But that's not all. It's also impossible to tell when you have an attack window. After using one of its absurdly counter-intuitive attacks (Am I going to rear back for one second before I swing? Three seconds? 0.2 seconds? HAVE FUN ROLLING THE DICE!), the animation it uses to go back into its idle stance IS THE FUCKING SAME AS THE ANIMATION FOR AN ADDITIONAL SWING. AND IT'S TOTALLY RANDOM WHETHER SHE SWINGS AGAIN OR NOT.

So you're left picking to either take your chance to land one swing and get your lungs torn out because she decided to swing again, or rolling preemptively (since there is no fucking way to tell whether she's about to swing or go back into idle stance) and losing your window of opportunity, because she just fucking LOVES only giving you enough time to land one swing before attacking again.

This boss was clearly designed with multiplayer in mind. Trying to wrap my head around what was wrong with the guy who designed this, all I can think of is that they EXPECTED people to always go in there with two phantoms to help distract the boss. This fucking fight was never designed to be solo'd. Soloing it is a crapshoot at best.

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>>161309015

im just here waiting for whatever FROM comes up with next, anon.

>>161309264
i killed her solo soul level 1

git gud

ded thred

>>161309238
>if you increased agi you'd go faster
what the fuck

>>161309264
Only problem I have with Dancer is the teleport grab, otherwise she's pretty easy if you're doing it at the expected SL.

>>161309693

Dark Souls 2 is a mess of broken promises.

BROKEN PROMISES:

"Dark Souls 2 will have a unique lighting system which will force you to use torches to light your way!"
>entirely dropped
"Backstabs have been reworked to be harder to do, so the game isn't focused around them so much. Backstabbing will require timing button pushes and will be interruptible."
>backstabs still just as easy to do, just one button press when behind the target. Can take damage while initiating it, but it's extremely reduced. Instead of realizing they needed to fix it, they just made enemy attacks track like fucking crazy to make it harder to backstab in PVE
"We realize dark magic was overpowered, so it has been toned down a bit. It's now its own class of spells named hexes. Pyromancy has been removed, fire spells are now considered sorceries, are cast with a catalyst and scale with intelligence."
>dark magic still crazy OP, pyromancy works the same as in the first game except now you need to stack intelligence and faith for it to be useful so it's absolutely useless
"Coop has gone in a direction we don't like (ganking and the such), white phantoms now despawn after a certain time."
>white phantoms apparently have an infinite timer, invaders got the timer though

>>161309850

"The environment will be very interactive. As an example, you can see an ogre through a tiny hole in the wall. I shoot it with an arrow and it breaks through the wall, giving me access to the walled off section."
>entirely dropped, ogres blowing through walls are only kept as scripted events which fuck up first time players for no reason other than to be a dick
"We want to facilitate coop play and invasions, so we'll be removing the requirement for bosses to be alive and relaxing matching prerequisites."
>first part is true, second part is SM (LOL)
"Main platform will be PC, the game will be adapted for it."
>PC version released over a month after consoles, no improvement except framerate, but framerate increase bugs out weapon durability
"We're trying to make equipment have unique abilities such as a shield that casts miracles and add more armor effects!"
>armor effects are nearly all the same, nothing is really unique, disk chime is repeated twice in the form of other weapons
"We'll be adding in features that play on the player's fear with hallucinations, arachnophobia, claustrophobia, and dark environments!"
>hallucinations don't exist, spiders are more annoying than scary, no areas are actually tight, dark environments removed

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>>161309264

>>161309850
I think das2 had the best backstabs for PvP. Not obnoxious like das1 and not useless like das3. Backstab was the best roll catch in das2

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>>161309991

>>161309850
>white phantoms apparently have an infinite timer
They do not. It's just really long, and it goes down faster based on kills. I timed out in the Crypt after carrying a host's ass through like 80% of it.

A lot of these were retracted due to Bamco pressuring From to put the game on PS3/360 hardware, too. Makes you wonder what DaS2 would've been like under a different publisher and on the PS4.

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>>161309991
>not landing sick rapier stab backstabs

>>161308247
>A passive cunt that constantly backpedals or runs away.
Ewww.

>>161309264
Who the fuck would waifu Dancer?

DeS: r1 stagger combo to death
Das1: Havel mom flipping out giant club hornet ring backstab fishing
Das2: balance
Das3: rolling rolling rolling rolling rolling rolling
Bb: lol

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>Whore of the Boreal Valley with her noodle arms and coloured sticks she calls "swords" can't be parried
>CHAMPION Gundyr, 7 times Heavyweight Wrestling Champion, 9 times International Arm-wrestling Champion, 5 times Caber Toss World Champion and his massive fucking halberd that can crush 40 yaks in a single blow
>can be parried

bravo memehacki

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>>161310037

>>161310098
Meanwhile Dancer bounces off medium shields when doing a forward thrust.

>>161310093
DaS2 had spinning that glitched netcode, which wasn't as broken as the rest, but was about as annoying.

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>>161310110

Omfg how many times do I have to kill this cunt before he drops his sword I've gotten 30 carthus rouge off him already

>>161309991
ds2 backstabs are actually the most useless in series
too slow to punish parry spam which is their primary use in ds3
back punch is straight fucking harmful and slow as hell, i lost a count of times when it came out instead of a simple r1 against an opponent trying to run away from me
and on top of that can be turned off completely
their only use in ds2 was roll catch against absolute retards and any sane person just rolled twice to avoid it

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>>161310247
Back punch is faster than the thrust in 3

Can we create /sotfsg/ already?
90% of shitposting in this general is DS2-related, it's worse than BB shitposting was back in days.

>>161310247
> just rolled twice to avoid it
It's not a fucking DaS3. Or even flippin DaS1. In DaS2 rolls have enough recovery to always be able to punish them if you can predict them. Even in DaS3 with something like CSS you can do that.

>>161310307
DS2fags should just be banished to >>>/trash/

>>161310307
t. shitposter

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>>161310280

Meanwhile, in Dark Souls 2...

>>161310307
I'd rather a ds3g be made

>>161310301
not only it was slower, it also deals no damage while thrust in ds3 still deals full weapon damage, making it useful even if it misses
>>161310347
actually play in that turd of a game before opening your mouth
double roll was a 100% reliable way of getting out of any bs punishes ds2 had

>>161310347
>CCS
fix

>>161310307
Can we create /thinsking/ already?
90% of posting is about things I don't like, it's worse than /v/ back in days.

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>>161310402
>thrust in ds3 still deals full weapon damage, making it useful even if it misses
Odds are if it misses the enemy is in their infinite roll iframes anyway. I can count the times the whiffpoke has actually hit someone on one hand.

>>161310374
>One of the most prominent spots for "competitive" DS2 PVP is an incredibly narrow bridge where falling off means instant death
You can't make this shit up

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>>161288198

Yeah, I remember you.

>>161309850
The torch system was there but the current lighting the only real reason to use torches was to make the areas not look bland as fuck. They looked nice and that's pretty much it.

>>161310402
>It was slower
>Play the game before opening your mouth
Should follow your own advice

>>161310375
I think k this is the best option dor this general. Ban both shitty games and move them to their own separate general. Dark souls sequels general needs to be made

>>161310479

I really wish exploring dark environments with a torch and lighting sconces on the way had been a gameplay element in Dark Souls 2.

>>161309850
>>161310479
>>161310620
They could've done this in 3.

Instead, the ONLY use for the Torch in 3 is to remove leeches.
Or poke an enemy that gets arbitrarily stunned by fire damage if you're using one of the weapons that arbitrarily can't be buffed with resins.

>>161310620
The dynamic lighting they wanted was ultimately canned due to console limitations (ps3)

>>161310307
I would genuinely take that over bbg. At least bb was a souls game.

>>161310469
Most people avoided it because it was annoying and usually led to people just spamming arrows/magic down it and waiting for you to fall off.
Having to fight around the environment isn't a bad thing though, much better than 1v1 no items final destination all the time.

>>161310702
Giving (You)s to yourself is a federal offense, I'll have you know.

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>>161310402
Anon.

Even at 116 agility there are plenty of vulnerable frames. It's called "frame data". If you were so bad you couldn't time your attack so that it would hit in those frames it's your problem.

2 years later and dsg is still filled with shitters believing the ds2 is bad meme

>>161310696

Yeah, I don't get why they didn't go for it in Dark Souls 3. I mean between Cathedral of the Deep, Carthus Catacombs and Irithyll Dungeon, they had plenty of opportunities...

>>161310761
Just because I'm baiting equally hard doesn't mean I'm the same person anon

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>>161310796

Good thing you called it a meme, that way we know it's wrong.

How important is this blue bar special attack stuff in dark souls 3?

Why are so many of the bosses in rooms? Like wtf is Yhorm up to

>>161310792
it's not a matter of vulnerability frames, it's a matter of bs attempt startup
if person rolls twice your bs attempt won't connect
>not even 400 hours in ds1
>all that massive amount of time wasted in worst souls game
get the fuck out

>>161310910
Completely ignorable for most weapons.

Dark souls 1 level design: whole world
Dark souls 2 level design: worlds colliding
Dark souls3 level design: cathedral cathedral cathedral cathedral again kiln

>>161310796
2 years later and ds2 is still bad

>>161310916
That throne is actually a toilet, he's taking a giant shit when you and Fatty barge in to kill him, that's why he's so fucking pissed.

>>161310908
>Jojo
>Shitposter
Damn they really do go hand and hand

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>wake up
>meme loving fucks are still shitposting about which Souls game is the worst one

Can we just agree to hate them all already, holy shit

>>161310910

Weapon arts are almost entirely shit. One of the useful ones is the Profaned Greatsword, which is just an upwards slash, but also enchants it with fire.

Otherwise, the only use I've found is to throw people off in PVP because nobody ever expects it. And it rarely works anyway.

>>161311003
>fatty
>he actually had help on boss fights

>>161311015
It's universally agrees 2 and 3 are the worst but 2fagss and 3fags keep shitting up the thread about who isn't the worst game

>>161311017
>lists one of the shittiest types of WA as useful
>tries to discard majority of them which are actually useful

What standards are being applied when it comes to deciding on which game is the worst?

>>161311017
>doesn't use l2 whenever he sees parrykids

>>161311123
But the majority of them are garbage, Anon-kun.

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>>161311015
trouble is, there is one clear winner and the meme loving fucks want to pretend that there isnt.

DaS1 is quite objectively the best

>>161311123

What are some good weapon arts?

>>161311173
The first half of DaS1 is the best Souls game
The second half of DaS1 is the worst Souls game

Ds3>BB>ds2>ds1>des

Do you guys even pay attention to graphics and glitches?

>>161311156
You are garbage, not them.
The only useless WA types are stomp, some spin2wins like vertical spin slash and maybe tackle.

>>161311173
I think the second half of DS1 is better than the post_Drangleic parts of DS2.

>>161311082
>he left Siegward's quest unfulfilled
>he actually considers Yhorm the Gimmick to be a boss fight

>>161310925
Anon, you don't actually do backstab. You get behind people's backs and use r1 (might be a bit wonky and require looking away) or r2 to catch rolls. It's the very basics of the game.

>>161310910
extremely niche and mostly used as a supporting tool

>>161311268

So basically, 90% of them.

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>>161311173
>there is one clear winner and it's the one I like most
>t. everyone ever

>>161311208
Sacred Lothric Light
Perseverence
Pierce Earth
Poison Spores
Champion's Charge
Rapid Fire, sorta
Flame Whip
Spin Bash (Drang Hammers only)
Galvanize
Spin Slash (Twinblades)
Hurl Spear, sorta
Kindled Charge
Stance, sorta
Leaping Slash
Raptor Flurry, sorta
Quake, sorta

Note that some of these are unique to a specific weapon.
Note that many of these skills are not on a weapon that is generally good.

Did they remove CCGS from the game, I've killed the bridgewatcher literally 93 times

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>>161311208
All types of stances, especially after DLC patch that allowed them to chain into each other.
All types of charge WAs if you use them for trading or to pursue runners.
All types of WA that add more AR to the weapon or otherwise buff the player like Galvanize.
Any WAs that can be combo'd from and into other weapon attacks.
All WAs that can add hyperarmor.
Majority of unique WAs like sacred lothric light.
Basically at least 90% of weapon arts are useful. Useless ones either have way too much of a startup or can't combo from anything.

>>161311541
When would you ever chain those two like that?
Fighting some literal retard who blocks all the time and then starts mashing R1 if you whiff the guard break?

>>161311424
woops, you made a mistake!

DaS1 is OBJECTIVELY better.

do we know what that big word means buddy?

>>161311606
>objectively better
>10 years old

Anon

>>161311312
>entire dispute has started when someone said that ds2 backstabs are reliable way of roll punishes
>they are not
>lol who cares just do r2
nice

>>161311606
Seems like you don't know what it means, no.

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>dream of das1 pvp
>pulling off backstab escapes all the time

>dream of das3 pvp
>i just get parried

>>161311709
>retard crying about getting parried
>being able to pull off bs escapes
Very funny joke.

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>>161311709
>when you try so hard for MLG unlocked parries that you turn into a backstab

>>161311646
It was about backstabs being good. They are actually very good at scaring people to roll away so you can rollcatch them.

>>161311594
1h longsword with WA shield can utilize longsword stance extremely effectively given that poke charge gives nearly unbreakable instant HA with damage reduction. And from that another WA can be used to catch them on shit roll or you can do true combo into r1.

>>161311173

Why is your HP so low in NG+?

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>>161311810
>They are actually very good at scaring people
Nice joke, my friend.
The moment somebody suspects you of even trying to BS in DS2 you're gonna see this beautiful piece of equipment.

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>>161311494

What is your Item Discovery?

Backstabs being strong and reliable is not good for the game. Anyone who disagrees is a contrarian DaS1 japstabber fanboy.

>>161311974
214

>>161312007
>backstab
>reliable

>>161312075

Nigga you should be getting 400+ easily.

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>>161311916

God damn DaS2 is so bad.

>>161311802
It almost looks like DaS1.

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>>161307507
Do any of you faggots have some places where I can watch some gifs/webms of funny Dark Souls shenanigans

Youtube is filled videos of faggots with them commentating on their own shit, and I hate it.

>>161311908
it was taken on a permagravelord agression mod run

>>161311916
>>161312179
DaS2 had multiple options for bypassing backstabs, each with their own considerations (Ironclad being heavy, Jester's having shitty stats in a game where armor actually does something, Gower's being superheavy for a ring).
This is not a bad thing, and claiming that it is says a lot about you as a Souls player.

>>161312159
Ng, no coins left atm using 1rapier and avarice, but read it wrong, 274 but still tho

>>161311802
what do you use to make these webms?

>>161312298
>Jester's having shitty stats
Jester actually has excellent stats for its weight. There's virtually no reason to ever use any other light chestpiece with the exception of black witch robe.
>This is not a bad thing
Being able to hard counter an entire mechanic through a simple, easy to acquire gear is certainly bad in a game that promotes itself as a skill-based.

>>161312307
serpent ring
buy coin from patches

>>161312520
Thanks but holy shit after 90 minutes I got it

>>161312229
Nope Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope

Best way to get chunks?

>>161312775
Buy them from the Shrine Handmaid?

>>161311292
Yhorm is a shitty meme boss so might as well do Siegward's quest to get a slab for it.

>>161312806
But they're like 13k a pop I want a lot and I'm poorfag

>>161312919
farm winged knighs on grand archive's rooftop
they eventually drop chunks but the objective is to farm souls

FIGHT CLUB

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>>161313309
where?

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>>161310952
Dark Souls 1 was actually localized within the core of Lordran, within one city and the castle surrounding it.

Dark Souls 2 tried to capture the feeling of traveling through an entire country but it felt uncomfortably condensed, especially towards the end.

Dark Souls 3 is kind of a mix between. Basically you're trekking through the land that's not in the inner core of Lordran, mixed together with some Drangleic and some Thorolund. You can see the highways which are featured in the DS1 intro cinematic and I though that it was really cool. I think DS3 did the whole travel thing pretty well, when you reach Anor Londo, it's the Dark Souls equivalent of getting to Rome (versus the Kiln that's kind of like an Undead Mecca). A sense of fulfillment in the journey.

>>161313386
Wherever you host

If you encounter 4 phantoms as a lone invader, do you think it's reasonable to pop weapon skill on BKS and just 2h kamikaze the host?

>>161313309

PC? BF?

>>161313660
If you encounter 4 phantoms as a lone invader then it's reasonable to do anything, even cheat.

Remember when Demon's Souls was going to be shut down forever, then they suddenly reversed the decision temporarily, and it's still up to this day? anyone know what happened there?

>>161313660
No.
Hide
Wait for blue or second invader.
BC if it's a blue to make them suffer or kill the red then BC out to make them salty

>>161313950

by nito's boner, you're filthy

>>161313856
some rich dude anonymously paid for the servers for as long as he's alive

>>161313856
soul arts

do you agree with this question, invading in dark souls is pointless without indictments

>>161313950
This. You can win no matter what if youre crafty, and dare i say /devilish/ enough

How is winged halberd compared to BKG in terms of pvp effectivity

>>161314302
it's a meme weapon favored by reddit

>>161313856

I thought there were separate servers for NA, EU an JP. I have the NA version so I can't check, but I've heard that the EU and JP version don't have the shut down warning message when connecting to the servers.

>>161314302
I just started using it the other day to go with myet Lothric themed character. Its pretty good, i mean its a halberd for starters, but i havent used the BK one yet so i cant compare the two.

>>161314279
but if they spot you, and the sun boys descend upon your ass....

all it takes, yeah?

What are some fun things to do as a mound maker?

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>>161309264
My main problem with the fight is that she has too fucking many different attacks, and all of them are so weird looking that you can't memorize them. The only ones I can recall are the fucking grab, and the various AoE moves. The rest is just a blank. I never learn the boss or git gud, every time I've gone through the game it's the same story with dancer, just banging my head against the wall until the wall bricks.
It doesn't matter whether I'm at the appropriate level or doing it at level 1, it seems to always take a similar number of attempts because there's just too much that can go on for my brain to absorb information about the fight, so I have to rely on reflex rolling, which fucks me 99 times out of 100 because every attack is delayed to hit you if you roll when the attack seems to be happening, but eventually I get lucky.
And it's never even satisfying because I'm well aware it's pure luck. If anything I just get angrier when I win

>>161315142
Sniping with a greatbow and no matter which one you kill, it's always a point for you.

>>161315142

Attack any player in sight, for one.

If you get gud you can 'farm' the required number of phantoms by bullying the host into submission.

>>161315147
Weird
I never had a problem against Dancer.
Sure, I got several gameovers until I saw all the moves several times to know how it works and what to do.
But then it's pretty much regular bossfight for me, not a headache at all.
And I always do it with GS or UGS.

>>161315147

>USE A SHIELD
forget about attacks!

>>161315405
>block attacks 1 and 2 in one of her 17 separate combos
>blockstunned in to being guardbroken by attack 3
>get obliterated by attacks 4 through 37

>>161308247
Hello Cr1tkal

When you kick the person beneath you on the ladder to their death

I'm dying, that was brilliant

>>161315548
don't venture in to punish her attacks, because you know her attacks aren't telegraphed properly. keep spacing, and move with the shield up in order to avoid flukey hits.

chip away at her whenever she begins her bizarre walk cycle. done.

I'm so sick of non-spear weapons being better spears than spears are. Astora GS used to be a better spear than spears, now GS's like Hollowslayer or Claymore are better spears than spears, or RHH is a better spear than spears are. Hell even straight swords have amazing pokes for leo ring, the rolling R1, the R2, and the roll catching WA.

God fucking dammit. And pikes are still complete garbage. Fuck.

>>161316101
Anon, what have you been smoking? There is no spear better than gargoyle's flame spear. Arguably, there is no weapon better than gargoyle's flame spear.

>>161316345
>>161316101

>>not 2h lothric knight spear quality build with leo

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Let me see your taste in weaponry, /dsg/

http://www.strawpoll.me/11752822
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Maiden in Black > Plain Doll >> Fire Keeper > Emerald Herald

Okay, I need help perma-gravelording myself in DaS1, whatever table/executable I've been trying to download seems to have been undownloadable for a year now, how do I do this?

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>>161316540
>Maiden in Black > Plain Doll

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>>161316476
>2H
>Not 1H with a WA shield like BK shield

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>>161316540
>Maiden in Black > Plain Doll

>>161316540
>>161316629

they are all shite kys

level up bitches are the worst mechanic from has come up with since shadow tower durability

>>161310062
me

>>161316540
Doll > all other good things in the universe > maiden in black > literal shit > other level up sluts

>>161316345

Gargoyle FS is a glorified washing pole and still has the same problems every other spear has: it has an extremely one-dimsional moveset, and is terrible at dealing with groups. Also the WA charge is shit, and doesn't do as much damage on counterthrusts as GS's do especially since leo only procs on physical damage, not elemental.

If anything, despite the stat requirement, I'd say swordspear is a better spear than gargoyle because it does more damage, has a more versatile moveset even when 1H'd, and has an actually useful WA.

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>>161316643
>1H LKLS

shield poking is best used with a thrusting sword

>>161316829
It's still longer than washing pole.
> Also the WA charge is shit
It's pretty good, actually. Near instant near infinite poise that does a ton of damage. It's like a better parry. Helps with moveset versatility, too.
>doesn't do as much damage on counterthrusts as GS's
But GS's are much shorter. If GFS would deal as much damage as them it would be utter terror.

>>161316829
>swordspear
>useful WA

>>161317561
>sword
>spear

Pick washing pole

>>161316643

DPS is too low with 1H, check out the difference if you like. Also, objectively no reason to use shield with a spear, as you have the range. Preferably use a dark/broad sword offhand for very close range.

>>161317336

Oh sorry I thought you meant lothric knight sword, my bad.

LKLS is shit though, worse than normal spears.

>>161316829
The pole isn't great when played as a spear, since its thrust attack needs you to start a dash. It's a better weapon because of its non spear attacks, but it lacks the "stay the fuck away" area around it that is the use of spears

>>161318207

You need a shield to deal with parry shitters. Playing around a guy with a caestus using only a 2H LKLS is fucking awful, and I should know since I used to do it all the time, even back before the caestus nerf.

I mean you can do it but it's difficult and literally everyone and their mother is going to just sit around trying to fish for parries because of the stereotype that spears, especially pikes, are ez parries. Shields solve this problem until you run into a curved sword, but swapping your shield for an offhand thrusting sword solves that situation too.

>>161318345

there are a number of ways that parrying doesn't break a spear build, including swapping over to charged heavy attacks when the caestus comes out. But then again, nothing guarantees not getting parried besides UGS/GA/GH

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Is Yuria from Demon Souls the same person in Dark Souls 3 ?

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>>161318221
>LKLS is shit though, worse than normal spears.

>>161318554
No. Dark Souls 3's Yuria is more like a Mephistopheles analogue if anything. Karla in DS3 is kind of a mishmash of DeS' Yuria and Zullie The Witch from DaS2.

>>161318554
No, one is best girl and witch, the other is a filthy hollow

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>>161318553

A shield does, you basically feign running attacks at them (something a pike has a hard time of doing) with your guard up, and either they prove they won't ever parry and just keep attacking into your shield fruitlessly at which point you can eventually actually do a running R1, or they whiff the parry and you turtlepoke backstab them (which uses a faster animation than normal attacks).

I literally got to gold in arena when it first came out doing nothing but this. You don't need a greatshield though, BK shield suffices for the most part with much less weight and the ability to use WA's.

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>>161318572
>running attack replaced with a garbage mini-charge
>1H'd attacks are much slower

no thanks

>>161318905
>he doesn't know about the godlike r2

>>161318751

Hang on, i lost what you meant here. You're saying that a shield allows for the turtlepoke, and that's the main benefit? I don't want to misinterpret your point.

Or, are you actually sprinting at opponents with your shield up, and threatening to go into running r1?

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>>161316610
Anyone versed in this sort of thing?

>>161319268
this should work

https://a.uguu.se/KXL3eAqB8X7F_DARKSOULSkek2.CT

>>161319095

Both, on top of the benefits of just being able to tank a few hits in general of course. With regular spears there's nearly no difference in attack speed between 1H and 2H, and it effectively completely negates parrying in dueling situations.

Basically if you run at someone with no intention of actually attacking, they can potentially just R1 spam their SS in your face and you'll eat a bunch of damage. With a 100% physical block shield you take no risk: either they whiff the parry and you punish them in recovery frames, or they R1 into your shield once or twice, then you roll back recover your stamina and do it all over again. If they're afraid to ever parry you can eventually throw out a running R1 at some point, unpredictably (because they probably think you'll never ever running R1 them), and often this then causes them to think "oh I can parry his next running R1" and then you just backstab them.

Also the turtlepoke backstab uses a faster animation than just a normal R1, sucks them into it faster. I don't know if this is a glitch or a feature, but it works.

>>161319268
Did you try downloading the table from technojacker? There should be the option for it.
If the table broke for whatever reason, tough luck, I can't help

>>161319487
>>161319558
Trying these, thanks champs

>tfw ds3 pvp feels like childs play with a m&k
>controllershits crying everytime they get invaded by superior camera control

>>161319521

fascinating stuff, I've always been partial to winged spear, but I see you're using swordspear?

I'd love to give this a go.

on a side note, how does it go in invasions?

>>161319640

Nah, kb&m is inferior.

>>161319726
false

So what do you guys do when you start a new character from scratch in Das3?

Any checklist sort of thing you personally go through to get a new build off the ground quick?

>>161319640
>>161319726
>not going kayboard only

It's a cool challenge

>>161319771
3's kb&m controls are the best from the series and they're still shit.

>>161319791


>deprived, get broad-sword, get kite-shield, beat bosses, begin farm.

>>161316540
Bonfire-tan >>>>>>>>>>>>> Plain Doll > Maiden in Black >> Fire Keeper > Emerald Herald

>>161319704

Main thing about spear class weapons is length and damage. Generally the best ones are considered the gargoyle FS, DS spear, DS swordspear, and LK long spear for the only viable pike (you get a shitty running attack which is usually pretty damn important for spears, but in return you get an insane R2 which is the longest reach attack in the game because of the gigantic step you take when doing it, so your R2 sorta becomes your running attack because of how much ground you cover with it). DS spear isn't really worth it since gargoyle FS is essentially better in every meaningful way, swordspear has higher stat requirements (it's heavier and requires 18 faith) but it's the highest damage spear on a quality build. When 2 handed it's only 11 less AR than a 2H'd LK long spear, and that's just physical, not even counting the lightning damage on top of that, and further the lightning buff it gets when you use falling bolt which increases its damage even more. Swordspear can also function as a pokey halberd and when 1H'd the R2 is a horizontal slash, allowing you to attack in 2 dimensions instead of just 1. Gargoyle FS is the longest spear class weapon in the game, with still pretty good (albeit split) damage, so it's meta mostly because of its length while still retaining the fast running R1's.

Spears are generally 1v1 weapons but can also be good at hit-and-run sort of tactics. Personally on my leo build I like to use an offhand estoc instead of a shield, giving you a full range of versatility between the reach of the spear and the attack speed of the thrusting sword. Crow quills are also great offhand if you want more damage for a bit less reach. I also bring a Pickaxe with me if I have to deal with ganks or otherwise getting chased while outnumbered. Spears aren't good at dealing with groups, so you should keep that in mind.

>>161308481
no.

I can't comment on the entirety of the souls series,but I love das1 and 3 equally. Das1 has a beautiful, immersive world with perfect flow and smooth deliberate feel to the gameplay with great "oh shit" moments

Das3, while nearly completely opposite thematically and geographically, still has some very memorable locations that are beautiful in their own right. The combat, much more hectic working around different mechanics and shit balance around quality/quality hybrid builds, isn't for everyone but I thoroughly enjoy it

Das2... I'll revisit SotF eventually, but it left such a fucking terrible taste in my mouth the last time I tried to go back and play it. There are just so many things about it that bother me personally that I don't know if I'll ever actual enjoy it again

>>161319640
The only thing that kinda sucks with mouse&keyboard is doing weapon arts but you don't need those most of the time. I saw enb showing his controller grip and it almost made me vomit to see how clunky turning the was.

>>161319487
This worked wonders, thanks a lot
time for a new playthrough after a long time away from the game with streaming & recording

>>161320212

Also the main counter I ran into while using it in the arena was curve swords like the CCS. They're so fast and often have bleed or a guardbreak, so they eat through shields with ease, and they have a faster attack start up than spears do so they can just roll past your first spear attack and then 2HR1 spam the shit out of you. If you roll away you'll likely just get roll caught over and over.

The solution to this is a thrusting sword because of the faster attack speed. I prefer it in the offhand because the spear is still important for out spacing them, the thrusting sword is for when they roll past your spear attack and you can just poke the crap out of them with your estoc or quills so they can't get in close and overwhelm you with speed. Even if they trade in the scenario, especially with leo ring, you'll win the trade every time.

I also like offhand crossbows a lot, not only do they function with leo ring but they're a great counter for pyro shitters in duels and just great for punishing people trying to stay at a distance or run away to chug in invasions. Think of it like long-distance R1's.

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>>161310110
>>161310110

>>161320424

I think that offhand thrusting swords sounds great to counter (paired with a leo), ingenious. Any idea which thrusting sword has the quickest attack offhand?
I also love using an offhand xbow, but isn't charge (or LKLS running R1) just as quick in punishing chugs?

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>You can parry Lorian
Oshit

>>161319886
>>161319640
I bet you've never tried it for more than a few minutes and only gave up because it was unfamiliar. Better camera controls and the ability to rebind = objectively better input device.

It hardly seems fair that simply parrying during paired swords l1 gives you an automatic riposte, if it doesn't catch the first hit it catches the second.

>>161321013
you can even spell parry his ranged attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2iSV2FF8E

>>161310219
>japanese desire sensor

you need to make a sacrifice to Japanese Desire Satan if rngesus has failed you

>>161321046

Had to play for it for 2 weeks because my controller became unusable.
Playing a caster with that or anything that needs a faster playing style felt like absolute shit.

>>161321054
usually the l1 follows from an r1 which staggers

>>161320780

All of the thrusting swords have the same attack speed. The differences are that the rapier is the shortest but can parry, the crow quills have medium reach but do the most damage (and just need dex since their best infusion even for quality builds is sharp), and estoc is the longest.

I don't think charge is really that great for punishing chugs but you can try it if that fits your playstyle. Bolts have a much longer distance and can have AoE as well (explosive bolts, or lightning bolts if shot into water like at crux woods). They're also much faster than a charge, and charge is generally seen as one of it not the worst WA because it's so easily parried.

>>161321213
There's literally no reason you are playing worse with a keyboard than with a controller other than you aren't used to it.
>faster playing style
Keyboard and mouse have less input lag, so what the heck do you even mean.

>>161321408
Just buy a controller you nig, you will be better with it than you are now.

>>161321272
Oh, I clearly don't know how to use these then.

Last day of the Steam Sale!

Get whatever souls shit you want or whatever before it ends!

>>161321674
>not already owning three games at least once

>>161321369

hmm, and heysel's is a hammer (slow af). shame daggers can't stab offhand, and i don't think it's worth it to use a spear offhand just to use a mailbreaker.

>>161321839
Maybe some people couldn't get the DLC, or haven't upgraded to SotFS yet

I dunno man

>>161321852

If you were going to use a leo hammer you'd use warpick or pickaxe. I like the pickaxe for the insane damage you get get on turn-and-burns if you have ganks chasing after you, plus greathammer poise is waaay better than regular hammer poise.

>>161321674
I'm not buying DaS2, B Team.

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Thoughts on my pyro calcifer?

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>>161322208

>>161322208
>>161322316
looks like a pussy

>>161322208
>Lothric's Holy Sword
Mistakes

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>>161321839
>not owning des, das1 on console, das1:ptd edition, das2, its season pass, sotfs, das3 and its season pass

step it up, chosen undead

>>161322407
that's not my main weapon , i was just messing around with it

>>161322208
>>161322316

looks cool, don't know the reference.

What exactly does frostbite do to a player?

>>161322742

CONNIPTIONS

>>161322652
>calcifer

if i was to hazard a guess I'd say Howl's Moving Castle

>>161322316
>dat texture resolution on the threads hanging from your hood
Why, from?

>>161322742
It makes player sad.

>>161322742
>invade
>blow frosty kisses at host and his gaggle of phantoms
>run away
>hope that the increased damage taken makes mobs kill them

How to make frostbite good: it removes 3 points from your max carry weight. If you think that's too much then just remove the damage vulnerability.

Anyone want to shitpost in a discord? https://discord.gg/nbadN

>>161321713
>someone saved my shitty edit

>>161323476
Oh yeah, there's no mods and a bunch of plebs.

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how long does it normally take to invade the woods? im SL 30 with +3 weapons

>>161323448

>SOFT COUNTER: remove your helmet when you see someone using it

>HARD COUNTER: forsake your helmet forever!!

>>161323660
It shouldn't take long at all, that place is always packed.

>>161323660
>+3
you made a mistake

>>161309230
>Why does the Sable Church and Kaathe want to bring about the end of the world?
just a world full of hollows and no old gods, basically south africa

>>161323678
Fine by me, both are limiting the enemy's options by making them take off a weapon or making them lose flat defense.

>>161323742
>>161323660
im 30 and +4 ls and getting invasions every time

>>161323801

armour is so rubbish in this game, you might take about 3% of their damage reduction away

>>161323742
don't you say that
don't you fucking say that

Played BB and loved it, now I want to try DaS. I bought 2 when it was on sale and I can't get past the first hour or so because it looks and feels like absolute shit. I know Dark Souls is dated but it must be better than 2, right? Or should I just get 3.

Looking forward to a blind playthrough of a fresh Souls game. Need advice, help a brother out thanks

>>161323902
I've heard that the quality of the armor itself hardly matters, but it's important to have something in every slot or else you take a lot of extra damage.

>>161324017
you'll probably have the most fun with dark souls 1, enjoy it then move onto 3

>>161324024

honestly there are a lot of mysteries about how armour works in the game, but i don't think any pieces are extreme enough to test the system effectively .

Is demons souls dated ?

>>161324024
Anyone can swap a helm for a ragged mask.
Only way frostbite would be strong is with TWoP tiers

>>161324017
>I know Dark Souls is dated but it must be better than 2, right? Or should I just get 3.
it is better than 2, but if you started with BB the closest mechanically speaking is DaS3
so if you don't care about the story, start with that

>>161324017
If you thought DS2 looked and felt like shit DS1 would give you a fucking heart attack.

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What is your favorite resin dsg ?

>soul spear is barely better than great heavy soul arrow
heh...

>>161324141
>anyone
If you're a minmaxer like me, you're already on the very cusp of what it takes to midroll. 3 points lost might not be made up for easily.

>>161324226

desu dks1 looks better and feels better.

the janky ugly shit the B-team shat out has a place though

>>161324257
Are you unironically running sunset/dragonslayer/whatever else was that combo?

Regardless, removing 3 weight as soon as you see the frostbite bar is very easy

>>161323448
just make it disable running

also, add frost resins/bundles

>>161324402
Naw it's my own special shitbuild with castin' and spiked mace.

>>161324392

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-LgsWKWfGE

>>161323448
it should also lower dexterity by a decent amount, since it fucks with your fingers the most

>>161324226
Looks aside, the controls felt awful in 2.

>>161324146
>>161324105
How similar is the combat to BB? Not sure if I can switch from constant dodging to blocking and fighting slowly.

I wanna make some souls doing some co-op. Where do I get summoned quickly at SL87 +10?

Frostbite should do the 1 potent thing Bleed did in DaS2 and cut your stamina bar in half. If they want to just port that effect into DaS3, take the whole thing

>>161323678
I already forsake my helmet forever. I didn't spend an hour making a decent looking face just to have it covered all the time.

Yes I know it cripples my defense due to the shitty way defense is calculated.

>>161324508
>lowers dex past wep requirement
Now we're talking acid cloud levels of fuck you.

>This spot marks our grave. But you may rest here too, if you like.

>>161324251

Sticky White Stuff or Bolt Paper.

>equipload breakpoints are only at 30% and 70% no more 50% for medium rolls
Why do they always insist on taking two steps back for every step forward?

I WANT MORE HOLY SPELLS LIKE PILLARS OF LIGHT

>>161324509
Then just go play BB again you ADHD baby.

>>161324848
Yeah no shit. Miracle variety is garbage in this game compared to the cool stuff pyromancy and dark gets

>>161324575
Grand Archives, DLC area maybe.

>>161324645
>decent looking face

I'm glad From is punishing you guys, no one else likes your face

>>161324509
you can't zap to the extreme like in BB and the big weapons are like twice as slow as in BB but otherwise it's pretty fast with minimal recovery between moves

>>161324994
>dood, the slow and clunky gameplay is a feature

>>161325393

try lords of the fallen (don't buy it, christ)

you will know what life is like as a FATLARD

>>161325393
Bloodborne fags ladies and gentlemen.

>>161323841
>at +3
>invaded 2 people, one of them i invaded 3 times, every other invasion was aborted due to time out

should i really go to +4? i feel like that's too much for crucifixion woods

>>161325393
They're not even the same series
You already knew BB was faster than DS
Either get over it or just don't play them

>>161325525
I've played it, it was free on the PSN+ and yes I agree it was terrible, it really reminded me of DaS2

I'm not the only one who preferred the stock magic to blue estus right?

So is the parting flame only fucking good for black flame and combustion pyromancies?

>>161325838
yes

>>161325714

quickstep with a dagger or woodgrain flippy are both faster than BB.

>>161325714
they actually are part of the same series

are you new?

>>161325883
What's the fucking point? I like having g pyromancy glove in my left and witch's locks in my right, I can't just swap between witch's and pyro glove that shit's too obvious

>>161325980

dual pyro ladddd

>>161325819
I'd prefer blue estus if we had reliable regen like DeS

>>161326360
But that's lame as fuck, if someone gets up in your face all you can do is roll and hope to get a black flame off

Anyone else enjoy doing slow "knight" rubs where you play as a guy in knight armor, shield and long sword and take your time with the game and clear everything out utilizing blocking?

I've played through all the games and gotten accustom to skipping all the mobs never using the shield playing with a claw grip and either backstabbing every enemy in the game (das1/des) or just avoiding them all completely.

It's a nice change of pace. Been playing das and des and been having more fun than I ever did in das3
Shame knight sword and shield is locked until 1-4

>>161326432

black flame or sacred flame

do it for us all

>>161326432
Parting BF outtrades every roll attack. You can't get someone off your face with locks unless you 2h it as well

>>161325941
Best you'll tell me armored core and King's field are souls games

>>161324509
>the controls felt awful in 2
Still a step up compared to 1...
Fixing the queue bug alone makes 2 the better game.

>>161326509
i didn't know people like you existed

>>161326661

>soul memory

>>161326663
but his description literally describes every Souls first timer's experience ever

unless of course your first game was BB, in which case you can kay why ass