/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

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I want to marry Cleo

I miss Seven Kingdoms 2.

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>>160876121

Yes, yes it does.

I've rerolled like the autistic fuck that i am over and over hoping to get at least one continent map that doesn't run from north ice to south ice or just leaves one tile of water.

it's so frustrating they add stupid shit like 6 sided snowflakes, but cant make a non-fucktard looking continent map that doesnt look like this

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>>160876302
I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

>>160878140
that's a big list

>>160878217
for you

>>160878293
If I update the game, will you die?

>>160876659
your eyebrow graphic quality is bothering me

>>160878486
It would be extremely boring

>>160878935
... I dunno what comes after that. I never watched that movie.

>>160879138
I will educate you through son anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4G8IlNYgws

>>160879405
song*

Weeb achievement won't trigger no matter what, is this a common bug? Wouldn't usually care but the prereqs happen so often as Japan it's starting to annoy me.

How the fuck do I beat the AI to religion in Immortal, Marathon. Plz dont' say "Don't bother", I'm asking because I want to not because I need to, but it seems impossible. They always end up taking feed the world which I really want.

I am fond of strategy.

>>160881518
You have no choice but to cheese them.

>>160881541
How?

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>>160878217
>>160878293
>>160878486
>>160878536
>>160878935
>>160879138
>>160879405
>>160879515

>>160881931
Are you having cranial temperature issues, my friend?

>>160882050
I am not your friend !

>>160882243
yes you are

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>>160881518
Holy site projects?

>>160882243
Get on board, I'll call it in.

>>160881518
2 sites/shrines and maybe 1 holy site project is usually enough.
divine spark is a nice boost too.
though i usually only play small size continents with 4 religions. im starting to try standard size today.

what really most effects whether you get a religion is the other AIs. the game has a way of pushing you toward a particular strat and sometimes it gives you a religion easy. sometimes it makes it near impossible. like when you start coastal and saladin is there. sometimes it spoonfeed you late stonehenge when nobody wants it. you have to develop a sense of what strategy it is herding you toward.

Give me a creative way to win my next game with any victory type /civ/
It doesn't even have to be plausible, I just want to win a game in a new and interesting way

>>160872764
...Okay, which one of those mods do you actually recommend?

Everyone post your Stellaris species.

I need inspiration.

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So, I'm new to Civ V modding. Is there a mod that makes civs spawn in their historical locations on certain maps?

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>>160883668
They're all Neptunia girls.
Uni's Gun Runners, a military dictatorship with small xenophile tendencies.
Their motto is "join the army, meet interesting people, learn to kill them".

The Lowee Alignement, a religious xenophile theocracy.
Their motto is "let's all praise our Fair Lady".

The Pan Neptune, a scientist republic who breeds quickly and spread everywhere.
Their motto is "I turned my passion into a job".

Leanbox's Gold Diggers, a capitalistic theocracy who's all about production but is bad at research.
Their motto is "once you paid for the console, you can paid for the services".

Lastation, a fanatic xenophobic pacifist republic.
Their motto is "GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE".

So domination is the most tedious victory type right?

So Japan just has a useless feature (electronic factories) that doesn't do shit until almost end-game? Electricity is way too late for me to care. Can I even rush it?

Ok. I've tried googling, but I just get shit for Civ5. I'm trying to install mods for Civ4:BtS such as Fall from Heaven and Rise from Erebus and whatnot. But they're not showing up in my launcher and the launcher that installs with the mods doesn't work at all. I've tried installing the mods into BOTH mod directories, but it still doesn't work. What do I do to install mods?

And it's just these two mods. Master of Mana works just fine.

>>160883138
You can only settle on coasts and must burn captured non coastal non capital cities.

Pigs

>>160889004
DUDE

>>160886827
It's the least tedious, because you can use the combat system which requires some tactical thinking, which admittedly isn't much because of bad AI and bad general design, but is still head and shoulders over what you do for the other victory types.

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>>160889004
What ABOUT pigs, pink-skin?

>>160890689
He's fond of them

>>160888490
Fall from Heaven 1 is shipped with BtS,

Fall from Heaven 2 is the one you actually want, and I don't remember the steps but it couldn't have been very difficult.

Just make sure you have a pirated copy instead of fucking around with Steam (buy the game if it makes you feel better).

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>>160890782
Well, that's all right, then.

So, does this species have THREE head-tails? Where does the third originate?

>>160890992
Are they tails or fur?

>>160891139
They definitely twitch around like they're tails.

You can see one on either side of the head, and a third wrapped around the neck.

>>160891253
I want to touch the fluffy tail

>>160890689
This is the best-looking set of clothes in the game.

I wish that you could choose what clothing set your species wore.

>>160890980

Yeah, I've been fucking around with steam. That's probably the issue.

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>>160881931
all me btw

>>160883237
Depends on what sort of gameplay do you want to have.

Stellar Expansion and it's addons are practically compatible with anything, since it doesn't modify any vanilla files, though the geoforming and terraforming might have huge game-changing implications. I use them to spice my Alphamod games.

Stellaris+ adds a lot of new buildings and techs while keeping everything relatively close to vanilla compared to Alphamod. Don't use Stellaris+ [Buildings & Resources Module] with Alphamod, though, or you will have compatibility/balance issues.

Anything that adds more events is good, and I have made sure to install the proper compatibility patches for Alphamod and other mods I like that would otherwise would be incompatible. My version of Ringworld Restoration is an Alphamod compatible version that is not found in the Workshop, for example.
Ethic & Government Rebuilt is great for RP purposes, and since recently there's a Alphamod version too. Spectra Flag Colors is compatible with E&GR, unlike other flag colors mods.

Fox Leader, Researcher Traits Fix and Extended Traits are pretty good on their own, as well.

Music mods help make the game less repetitive more than you would think, and the Tiny UI mods help ease

I am unsure of the quality of AutoBuild concerning making the AI less retarded, but some of it's features are useful.
Harder Invaders allows you to set multiple crisis, Unending Reinforcements, plus other options.
Improved Pops also adds cool features.
All three of these can have all of their features disables and enabled individually in-game.

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I am fond of pigs

Fanatic Individualist/Materialist/Direct Democracy or Individualist/Materialist/Militarist/Plutocratic Oligarchy?

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I am fond of being a butcher.

I am fond of pork.

>>160893074
individualist/materialist/militarist military republic

>>160893334
Why?

i am fdonhjkml'z;
serm,l;p543l,,,,t.

>>160893074
It depends on which Neptunia character you're roleplaying as.

What if Civ had infinite stacking of units on a tile, but a supply limit meant they took damage if you had more units than the supply limit of that tile on that tile

>>160895417
Then AI would stumble upon itself.

>>160895417
Then it would be too hard to program the AI for it (keeping in mind that Firaxis now has employees too incompetent to make walls become obsolete), and the devs would remove that feature for that reason.

>>160895417
>having to check how many dudes a tile can hold before you move your army

Awful. It's like playing EU4 as Hungary.

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>tfw stellaris will never be good

>>160896406
Mod the fuck out of it

>>160896406
Are you kidding?

I'm loving the hell out of Stellaris.

>>160895254
How many cities do you have and what difficulty are you playing on?
How do so many civs like you?

>>160893587
individualist is broken as shit desu

>>160897181
No, I know, but why that selection?

I think Stellaris really needs something more to give the factions flavour and unique feel.

Maybe something like the Suprmacy/Purity/whatever thing Civ BE had.

>>160883138
Win a military victory in the Industrial Age using only medieval era units

You are not allowed to war anyone before you reach industrial and are not allowed to build or upgrade industrial era units.

>>160897245
I dunno, I'm not that guy

materialist is also really good

militarist is okay I guess, but I think military republic is shit, bonuses to armies are worthless

>>160897308
>save up faith
>build siege towers
>hit industrial era
>buy 50 knights
>stomp over everyone

>>160897345
Is Direct Democracy a good choice?

I love the happiness bonus and the increase to leadership experience, but I could be persuaded to pick something else.

>>160897451
it's fine I suppose

honestly it's not that important, pick whatever government you want to fit your empires feel

>>160897451
xenophobic pacifist is the best choice

>>160897591
Why's that?

>>160897563
Yes, but you see, I have a neurotic desire to be overpowered.

>>160883668
Korvall
A race of mollusks that are fanatical materialists and individualists. Also they have the long lived trait.

Believe in freedom for everyone, will go to war against slavers to liberate the peoples but will otherwise avoid war when possible. I always research sentient AI with them as fast as possible and fast track AI rights.
Also love the genetic engineering. Basically anything that promotes individualism and freedom to succeed they're ok with.

Half new, learning how to into city design. Should I always put morgawr cities on the coast, or should I put it a tile or two away so I can expand outward with streets better?

>>160897656
Which portrait did you choose?

>>160897710
*endless obviously, forgot to say

>>160892761
Which of the Stellar Expansion addons do you recommend?

>>160897654
well I like the military govt that gives -ship upkeep, I always have trouble with that

>>160897753
The one with the tentacle face
>haven't played Stellaris in a while
>relaunch game
>I'll just screenshot my race, I filled out everything even their backstory
>deleted

Well fuck you too, Paradox.

>>160897924
Most of them only add new techs and buildings that give new bonuses to production or other things. I'd use those regardless of what other mods I'm using. The other ones change a bit more the gameplay mechanics.

Voidcraft is good if you're not playing with any other mod that adds new ship types, since it might make things too complicated/redundant if you do use them both at the same time.

I am not sure how the Geoengineering mod would play out with mods that allow you to colonize asteroids or gas giants. I'm unsure of the fairness of the Terraforming mods, since I've never seen the AI terraform worlds, so it might give the player an advantage over the AI.

>>160897654
If you are individualist that means you are locked out of despotic hegemony so pick scientific directorate or w/e the materialist oligarchy government is called. The extra research alternative is pretty good, higher chance at rare/dangerous techs and it makes it easier to get to what you want faster than other empires.

>>160898660
If you had certain mods installed when you made it like a namelist or something it won't appear unless you activate that mod

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>>160899632
Shit
99% of my mods have an alert for being out of date on them.

>>160899701
That usually doesn't matter. Mods get labeled out of date if their description file hasn't had one line of text edited to the newest update number. So mods like namelists and emblems and colors and surface stuff still work fine when activated because nothing in the new patch effected the same thing they did.

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Yeeeaaah

Yeeeaaah

>>160876659
She looks uncannily like my dead sister except for darker skin tone and it always weirds me out

>>160903989
is your life a clickhole article?

when Gandhi talks to me about deterrence, is he grateful I'm not using my soldiers, or is he calling me a little bitch for not having enough?

>>160904279

This is his accordance to agenda spiel. That means he is happy you are not declaring wars at all

The spiel for nuke happy, I don't know when it triggers. I have not seen it either way

Thoughts on freeciv? There is a moblie app for it, any chance it wouldn't be like all other mobile games, with ads popping up.

>>160905397
Given the lack of answers, I'd assume it's shit.

>>160898660
You can still salvage it from user_empire_designs in your documents > paradox > stellaris folder.

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>>160897118
Not him, but my first Civ6 game was on Chieftain just to be able to see everything on ez mode, and still everyone hated me, except for 1 nation.

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Why isn't there some kind of system for multilateral alliances and mutual security pacts, NATO/WarPac style, instead of just a clusterfuck of entanglements of mutual defense agreements?

>>160897118
Send delegations the first turn you meet a civ
Giving 100 gold as a gift gives you +10 diplomacy for favorable trades
Trade route to a civ gives +2
Open borders to a civ is +3
Friendship is like +7 or something
Getting an alliance with a civ gives you +17 FOREVER, even if you aren't allied with them anymore

Brazil/China/Aztec are lost causes if you don't befriend them in the early game.

>>160908659
Oh, and you can also send delegations/embassies after they send you one. You can open their menu and send it back as you load the next turn.

>>160899543
That's a better choice than Direct Democracy?

Does anyone have link to the Civ 5 SDK download?

>>160879607
I tried it once but it doesn't count wonders or neighborhoods and possibly not city centers. I reckon it's gotta be culture, science, production, gold and religion only (maybe it accepts city centers, harbors and barracks too)

>>160908659
China usually doesnt mind me since I grab only ~5 wonders anyway. You can placate aztec by giving them luxuries. The dude carried me all the way to mortars and then it was too late. This is on emperor if you wonder why so few wonders

>>160908659
yes and after I capture a city they hate me forever

I just completely anal raped Aztecs campaign against egypt, I watched as endless waves of horse spam marched in front of my borders beseiging brussels(egypt) I laid in wait like a Jew until all of my swordsman formed phalanx with 2turn x bows behind them(got them all lvl 4 from early epic war with Aztec in begining) he was the top dog everybody feared and I fucked his whit up so hard the best part about the victory was taking over his cities which had the West and South completely shielded by mountains and ocean literally the eerie on steroids, all mine now!

>>160910340
Nice Blog you should post that in your tumblr

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>>160910484
>how does he dare to post about civ6 in a civ6 thread?

>Bunch of civilisations declare war on me at once. Wasn't even doing anything. Not hanging out at their borders, not violating any agendas.
>I win the wars
>Now I am a warmonger
Wait a second.

Making friends in this game is a wee bit tricky if you don't immediately throw hundreds of gold at people huh.

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>>160908628

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This is very offensive.

Why is this allowed?

>>160911256
Too soon?

>>160911256
finish what hitler the great started!

>>160881518
pick china, use workers to rush stonehenge

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How could they make Stellaris' Fallen Empires interesting instead of boring and redundant or boring and game ruining?

>>160913095
By putting only one, in the center of the galaxy, and making it a little more active so that midgame is interesting.
Also, improve diplomacy.

>build Imperial Japanese Navy with carriers full of Zeros
>no other navy to use Zeroes against because the AI is retarded
I just want to pull a reverse Midway dammit

At least I wish the Immortal+ Ai was consistent

>Game 1
AI has Crossbows at turn 20

>Game 2
I'm 2 eras ahead

>>160913968
Bomb the Americans!

I can't get the increased reasearch/civic mod to work with this new update is there another floating around?

Any mods that remove the retarded auto-selection of units in civ6 yet?

>>160916282
It's in the options menu in the update.

>>160916282
They added a checkbox for it in the patch.

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I am fond of pigs

How can i make other leaders like me more?

I declared war on Sumeria and throught the whole game i was labelled a warmonger and everyone hated me, even Sparta(But for different reasons).

I gave Vicky a city and she still hated me!

>Still no sign of modding tools
>Still no Poland

:(

>>160917094
They can't hate you if they are dead m8

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>>160876302
Just tell me if the patch made noticeable positive changes so the AI isn't so pants off retarded.

That's literally all I care about.

Someone please tell me how they feel playing the game post-patch.

>>160910551
>civ 6 thread

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stellaris+ or alphamod?

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>>160917138
Space walls lmao

>>160917805
You get flanking bonuses in Stellaris?

>>160919470
>Flanking in space

That's the most retarded thing I've ever head.

>>160919609
It actually isn't. I'm not him but flanking comes from the idea that your force is most effective when facing the enemy, which remains true for spessships, that space to manuever is crucial, which remains true in space, that it's confusing to deal with two weaker groups to your front and left than just strong in front (true in space, turning the main gun alone takes time and switching between two targets / dodging shit from two directions is harder than just one), that tunnel vision exists, and that morale drops from getting surrounded in general (human nature even in planes / tanks, it makes the enemy look more numerous and powerful).

>>160919609
Why? You think a ship would have its weapons concentrated at a specific part of the ship, unless they were easily movable I guess, even then you'd would want to position your ships so that they would have the least amount of their ship facing the enemy. You also have to consider potential formation and the element of surprise, assuming that surprise is even possible.

>>160919964
Because pretty much every possible angle in space is a flank if your ship only has weapons in one place (say the front for example). This would be the first thing to concider when you're building a military spaceship.

>>160919609
This is the most retarded post I've ever read.

>>160919964
I haven't saw any ship with weapons build near the propulsion to cover its ass.

>>160897246
>Maybe something like the Suprmacy/Purity/whatever thing Civ BE had.
Yeah, the game needs at least "something" to make one playthrough feel different from the next. Either make the ethics way more distinct, or do a BE style thing where mutually exclusive tech branches cause empires to diverge as time advances.

>>160919964
Because large weapons are inherently fixed onto the ship with low mobility, thus you can't get hit with the asteroid mass driver if you're behind the battleship even if the lasers and smaller drivers can hit you. You're essentially saying tanks can't be flanked.

>>160920475
>Spiritualists get access to unique "Missionary" ships
>Can send them to neighboring empires and passively cause ethic divergence (Changing pops to spiritualists

Something like that would be cool, obviously each ethic would get its own unique unit/ability.

This also helps with the fact that there aren't enough ways to fuck with your neighbors without directly going to war.

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>>160920214
Aren't we agreeing? I'm confused, I was saying that ships could be flanked, disagreeing with the guy who said it was a retarded idea.

>>160920896
That's what I'm saying too. Orientation is always important, even in space.

Unless you're piloting a borg cube.

Why doesn't Civ let me go full China and deport all foreign missionaries?

is there a mod that moves casus beli & corps/army further toward the start of the civics tree?
really fuckin' stupid that you have to be in the MODERN era to have casus beli for TERRITORIAL EXPANSION.
nevermind the idiotic idea that classical military didn't know how to move together in formation. fucking roman legions and i can't make them move in formation, what the fuck.

>>160917306
the amount of work really needed for the AI is gonna take months and years at firaxis pace. and it will probably never be the game it can be due to the AI. if the AI trumped Civ 5 that would be a momumental achievement for them based on expectations at this point. BERT was a complete joke.

the AI is mostly competitive up to the mid-game barring a few glitches like the retarded teddy playing 1CC with himself. but most games are decided by the end of renaissance. the AI never prioritizes production, doesnt improve their tiles, can never replace their army once its killed, still doesnt upgrade enough, and loses almost all interest in expanding after the initial land-grab. it still never builds planes. it simply doesnt know how to acquire good cities with production and build mines. it usually takes garbage cities and leaves tons of good space unclaimed. otherwise it builds a big empire but the moment you DoW it has barely any units and you walk over them.

>Try to watch some Civ VI videos to understand mechanics better
>Marbozir is alright but hes not as good as I used to think, and doesnt explain things well
>Filthy has tons of informative videos, but its all based around his friend group and their "Pangaea only all these wonders are banned these civs are banned these cards are banned you cant use these mechanics everything is banned"

How are you even supposed to do domination on large maps? It will take years compared to other victories.

>>160927147
You beeline their capital and that's it

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>>160923157
That's just awful. What is even the fucking point if the AI is even worse at the game than in Civ 5?

>>160876659
Why isn't she black... Whitewashed once again smdh

>>160928513
Diversity and pigs.

>>160921082
Changing orientation is quick, cheap, and easy even for modern space ships. This whole notion of "oh no the enemy is behind us and can shoot at our engines and there's NOTHING WE CAN DO" is silly.

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>>160921091
A government or civic that lets your military attack apostles would revive this game for me.

>>160929287
>missing the point
Are you trolling or what? I'm talking about pincer attacks. You know, when you're fighting a guy in front of you, and another come from the side and steal your lunc money.

>>160930628
Of course being outnumbered is bad. But orientation is not important in space, even if you're not a Borg cube. It's always trivial to change a ship's orientation.

>>160930910
It is not if you're getting pounded from behind.

FUCKING CRISIS EVENTS FUCK.

>>160930628
Combat in space takes place on distances greater than a fleet size.

>>160931120
This is the most retarded post I've ever read.

>>160929287
>facing one enemy
>turn to face enemy behind you
>first enemy now can shoot your engines instead

>>160932014
So are you facing one or two enemies? Decide already, because "flanking" doesn't have to do anything with "surrounding".

>>160932456
It's kinda difficult to flank someone who isn't already busy with someone else.

I am pigs of fond

>>160931017
If you're getting pounded from behind then you just turn around. The distances involved in space combat give you plenty of warning.

>>160933394
This is the most retarded post I've ever read.

>>160920475
>>160920863

Yeah this is what really kills it for me.

The fact that after a while all meeting a new empire means is a fleet number to consider.

Without some unique divergence or historical context to give narrative it's all just numbers eventually.

>>160935202

Espionage mechanics would help a lot

>>160935571
Lucky you, that's what the DLC is for!

Also, inclusion of all of the fixes already in the Europa Universalis series that solve most of Stellaris' problems.

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OH SHIT NIGGAS, IT'S HAPPENING!

Endless Space 2 update is live! United Empire is back!
>haha, time for Imperium
>mfw read update log UE is economics-focused gameplay based on the generation and use of Influence.

https://youtu.be/HTbS8BEa1oI

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/blog/486-update-one-the-united-empire

>>160919609

entirely depends on what to expect from reaslistic space combat

ultimately, flanking absolutely would be a significant advantage if any of the guns, sensors, optics, shielding or weapons on a spacecraft had any blind spots or directional effectiveness

keeping purely in current/near future technology, angled armor would be important then just as much as it is in contemporary combat, so flanking absolutely would give you a benefit.

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>>160935797
Oh and guess which major ES1 faction got turned into a minor? Hint: it's your favourite.

New major faction: The United Empire, which features economics-focused gameplay based on the generation and use of Influence.
Three new minor factions: The Pilgrims & Amoeba factions from Endless Space, and the new Z’vali faction have been added.
New Minor faction quests: you can now assimilate minor factions through various special quests.
Addition of the Marketplace: you will be able to acquire resources and heroes in exchange for Dust.
Era 4 of the Tech Tree has been added, offering for more research paths, unlocks and buildings.
Deeds: you will receive special rewards for performing specific actions.

>>160935797
Why is this game so unpopular? Everybody bitches about Civ 6 and Stellaris, but they're actually playing it. I've never actually heard anything bad about Endless Space.

>>160936272
I deleted and refunded ES2 as soon as I saw that awful tech system from EL again. Is making a normal fucking tech tree too hard for the frenchies?

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>>160936272
>I've never actually heard anything bad about Endless Space.
Everyone except me hates the combat of ES1.

ES2 is so barebones right now I feel that the 2 hours I played it was a complete waste of time. It might become a better game than ES1 if they fix the combat, currently it's even worse than the original and I hate it with the fury of a thousand suns.

>>160936496
>Everyone except me hates the combat of ES1.
Honestly, after playing EL, ES1's combat isn't that bad.
It's just that the AI cheats so much, it's disheartening. It's very easy to win a battle but lose the war because you're so outnumbered.

>>160936272

it's not unpopular as much as it just isn't that relevant

I quite like Endless Space for it's style, theme, music etc. The combat is a little bit too simplistic while being just a little bit complex to be slick and fast. The graphics are stylish but very minimal.

Plus, Endless Space 1 very much turned boring early on because there's not much difference between different civs, and there's no interior stuff to manage outside of planet 'exploitation' (FIDS) and the population grown speed.
There's no espionage, politicking or subversion in the gameplay, it's just straight up economic, tech or conquest.

Endless Legend was quite a bit better in this regard with some very novel gameplay concepts, but it ends up feeling a little clunky over all.

In both games they've genuinley tried to do new things with the combat mechanics and the whole 'questing' mechanics, as well as factions like the Cultists, or the idea of Minor Factions, which I think are a fantastic alternative to the barbarians or pirates from Civ or Endless Space.

In Endless Space 2 they're bringing in interior empire politics, demographics, minor civilizations and factions, actual complex government systems, as well as a range of improvements to the inter-empire politics.

Endless Space 2 SEEMS to be bringing a lot of things i hoped that Stellaris would bring, so I have high hopes. It's yet to be seen if they'll pull it off, it looks great right now though.

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>>160936626
>It's just that the AI cheats so much, it's disheartening.
The endless fleets are a blessing, if you know how to farm them for leveling up heroes.

>>160936715

>it looks great right now though.

>it looks like it might be great

FTFY

it's not at all finished

>>160936272
because ES and EL are small
people love to forge their own narrative, and you can do that with civ and stellaris, but not so much in ES/EL, where you're forced to play one of 6 or so factions.

>>160936756
>AI has a mechanical advantage over the player even on the easiest difficulty level
What's sad is that strategy games are a big research topic in AI, but somehow these game companies aren't benefiting from that.

>Beyond Earth is at 67% off
Good, Firaxis, very good.

Make it lower.

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>the new UE ships
I guess SEGA does not want to upset Games Workshop and risk losing Total Warhammer.

I'm going to miss the battle-cathedrals.

>>160937408

they're space-submarines

i don't mind em

>>160932456
i think they're describing a civ type flanking bonus which would necessitate a second enemy

>>160937383
I'll buy it if Firaxis gives you money upon purchasing it for $0

>>160937536
But civ type bonus is only applicable to 2d combat. For space-tier combat you need A LOT more ships to "flank" in similar way.

Beyond Earth is a direct upgrade to Civ 5

>>160938007
1UPT has saved Civ series

>>160938007
I'm willing to buy it if you go beyond 80% discount, Firaxis.

C'mon. Just a little lower. Keep on pushing that price down.

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I'm thinking whether I should invest some time into a game project.
Please check some boxes here: http://www.strawpoll.me/11718100

>>160937938
Not necessarily. If you're engaging ship a directly off your bow, and then ship b comes up 90 degrees in a different direction (whether above below right of you or left of you, or behind you) then you're flanked. Unless you have the capability to engage both targets equally of course (equal armories, 360 degree weapon coverage etc) in which case you're correct you wouldn't be able to be flanked

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>>160938007

>>160938252
/agdg/ is over there
they'll be more helpful maybe i dunno i don't actually browse that

>>160937938
Flanking itself is stupid in space, but it's conceivable that two ships attacking one might be more effective than merely the addition of their power. Defensive measures against one attacker might make a ship more vulnerable to the other.

>>160938457
They may be helpful when I want to ask development-related questions, but at the moment I'm trying to understand something about the specific audience.

>>160938726
You didn't have generic "TBS" category so fuck you and your poll.

Which religious beliefs are actually worth getting? I'm playing Spain and the founder belief I wanted - Feed the World - is already taken. My pantheon is Desert Folklore

>>160938726
Obviously the people in the 4x thread are going to like 4x games. You've already failed as a project manager.

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Fuck, suggest me a game with a minigame and something for the best farmyard animal award.

>>160938726

>on the 4x thread
>"guys what kind of games do you like"

Maximum retard.

>>160938965
Housing is a far bigger growth blocker than food, so I'd suggest taking that.

>>160938895
Sorry to displease you, but this category doesn't interest me.
>>160938984
It's also obvious that I posted in several threads and on several boards.

>>160939123
Space Rangers HD
Goat Simulator

>>160939296
Housing > food. Got it, thank you. Is this one of those situations where the housing belief is always the right choice, or can the relic/food/campus ones ever be better?

>>160941214
The best ones are generally production from followers (if you aren't playing Russia), housing (if you are playing Russia or planning to build holy districts in every city for whatever reason anyway) then gold from followers/cities, then whatever. The problem with Religion is ridiculous amount of hammers you have to spend building the district and the buildings inside it for meagre bonuses while you could have gotten the same or better effect from just making builders or different districts.
Russia and Arabs are the only ones who should even bother with Religion in my opinion.

>>160939123
witcher 3 for minigame
civ 6 for being fond of pigs

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Talk me out of this before it's too late

>>160941913
Change the map to pangaea and you're good to go.

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>>160941515
But how can I show everyone the error of the ways while converting to Catholicism, the one true faith, if I don't find Catholicism, the one true faith?
>>160941913
Don't do it

I have NO FUCKING CLUE what they did to Cossacks 3, but stockpiling food now takes much longer, and the AI is a total pushover, again, despite it being way better before. Now it doesn't even try to attack me and doesn't build an academy.

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>>160942091
Show everyone the error of their ways while converting them to true Orthodox Christian faith instead.

>conquer a city state
>gift it to a weak civ
>liberate it from them for free suzerein

Is there anything wrong with this strategy?

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I had 72 stronk russians soldiers.
One mine later, I lost half my men.

Why are the russians white, exactly? I remember them being black in the original game.

I was thinking of picking up a Steam Controller anyway and now I notice it has a Civ 6 bundle. Is it worth getting now?

>>160942329
You don't need to stockpile food. Just Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V your army and kill everyone.

>>160942646
I kinda need the food for the upgrades.

Shit, I dunno if it's just me but it really feels like they changed a lot of things recently.

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Civilization 4 is best game in the series.

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>Try America
>Get to mid-late game
>Research rifling
>go to upgrade my cavalry to rough riders
>rough riders are heavy cavalry for some reason
>go to upgrade my knights to rough riders
>can't
>well fuck
>shit out some rough riders
>they're okay
>get to tanks
>go to upgrade them into tanks
>can't

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>>160942508
>those tiny ass buildings
Stop posting screenshots, they trigger me.

>>160943786
Want me to start posting Age of Empires 3 screenshots?

>>160876829
I never understood why they couldnt make a generator that avoided plain blobs like that

surely there is a mod to fix this?

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>buy game
>hear it needs fixing
>waiting weeks for patch
>patch hits
>start playing
>play like 100 turns
>literally nothing happens
>friendly with nazi and nuke-kun
>get bored and quit

What the fuck is happening.
Why am I not enjoying this.
I didn't even find anything bad with the game (so far) but I'm just not feeling it.

>>160942508
What faggy game is that?

>>160943910
Map generation isn't even hard to do, which is probably why they expected unpaid modders to do the work. Welcome to the information age.

>>160944123
A game where you remove kebabs.

>>160943992
The point is you've bought the game, thus proving Shillaxis marketing strategy is working.
Good fucking job, fag.

>>160943992
You bought the game, so complaining won't do anything. You already gave your money to Firacuck.

>>160944198
This. I'm not touching civ 6 till they've released all the content for it. When the whole game is actually out, then Firaxis can have my money.

>>160944198
>>160944303

If nobody bought the game, you wouldn't have a game to pirate, poorfag shitters.

>>160944353
The "whole game" is the base game + 4 DLC, which finally fixes most of the bugs, adds the World Congress and other victory conditions, and has enough features to make it interesting. They're getting quite a lot of your money in the end.

>>160944501
>implying I even pirated the game
I haven't bought it and I don't plan on doing so.

>>160944501
>pirate
How about you don't buy half-assed garbage at all, so the publishers won't be incentivized to shit out more of half-assed garbage?

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>patch for civ vi
>'oh wow improved ai'
>it still can't fight a basic war

Why.

>>160944810
1UPT turns what should be a trivial movement task into a puzzle minigame that's too easy to be interesting to the human player and too difficult for Firaxis-tier AI.

>>160944958
Doesn't help they made movement mechanics even worse for no apparent reason.

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S Tier
------
Scythia
Sumeria
Germany

A Tier
------
Rome
Greece (Gorgo)
China
Arabia

B Tier
------
Greece (Pericles)
Aztec
Russia
Egypt
England
Kongo

C Tier
------
Brazil
India
Japan

D Tier
------
France
Spain
America
Norway

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>>160945260
>D Tier
>France
Yeah, right.

>you can build electronics factories
>but only if you're Japanese
>and you don't even need to research electricity first

I want to avoid the drugs these developers are on.

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Haven't played since the launch, as AI sucked flaccid cocks and it was pretty boring.

Is a patch out yet ? Is France not shit yet ?
good mods yet ?

>>160943992
You've gotten older.

>>160945810
A patch came out a few days ago. Many things are improved, but AI is still so bad that you can steamroll them on Deity once you figure out a few tricks.

France are still culture whores and are entirely dependent on an inferior victory condition.

Apparently the game was released without proper modding tools (remember that Civ 4 gave you full Python access to everything). Since the engine is really bad I wouldn't be expecting anything on the level of Fall from Heaven.

>>160944958
are doomstacks somehow more deep and interesting for the player to use

>>160946181
Sucks. Thanks mate, guess I'll stick to Witcher 3 until it gets better.

Swear I ain't buying any other games from them, already got cucked with Stellaris, don't even know why I bought this one.

>>160945260
am i wrong in thinking pericles is pretty shitty.
and kongo is amazing.

>>160946421
Stellaris and Civ 6 are made by different people.

Both rely on the same scam, though: release an obviously-broken game (that receives great reviews anyway), and gradually fix it with DLC to milk the players for hundreds of dollars.

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>>160944501
This is not how it work.
>devs release a half done shitty game
> some faggots like you buy it, devs rake in cash
>other see that they can release crap and still earn a shekels
>they release half done crap
>the cycle continue
On the other hand.
>devs release half done crap
>people spit at them and their products
>devs bankrupt
>other see that its not the way
>either make a good games or go do something else
I would much more prefer polished well done good games even if few in numbers that a plenty half done crappy ones.

>>160946351
Doomstacks are a really big problem that demands some kind of solution. The issue is that in this case the solution introduces other problems of its own, some of which cannot be solved without some very powerful AI.

Probably the ideal is to have stacks ala Civ 1-4, but with splash damage and zone of control to encourage players to split things up.

Or just have a proper tactical game like Advance Wars.

>civ VI only 10% off this sale
Well I wasn't expecting much anyway, guess I will wait til Christmas to see if it drops at least 25%. Might have to wait a whole year to get it 50% off.

>>160946706
im not conspiracytarded enough to think they release unfinished games on purpose.
i think they release unfinished games just because they are incredibly cheap.
being cheap as a games studio i think manifests itself the most in this case in
-hard deadlines. its not 'done when its done,' its done when the deadline arrives, period
-lack of post-release support. support being characterized in updates or content that is not sold. work-hours that might otherwise go to support instead just get rolled into a new expansion project or a new game project

if you want to give them the absolute most possible compassionate benefit of the doubt you could speculate that the reason they are cheap is because
-the publisher that bought them out is incredibly cheap and too bottom-line obsessed and executive-driven rather than being passionate about quality or good games
-these games are mostly single player and notoriously easy to pirate resulting in lost revenue
-they spend too much work-hours on art and graphics for a game that is a glorified spreadsheet

>>160947032
>devs release half done crap
>poor sales, bankruptcy
>industry collapses as publishers realize that making a good game is too expensive
>4x survives only as a fringe genre like grand strategy
>eventually a company learns how to predate on the customers well enough to extract money from them
You don't get well-done games no matter how you behave, unless you happen to be a rich developer on your own.

>>160946351
Well yes.
Add splash damage that decimate or even destroy other units on the tile and supply limits range for units and you will have a much more better game.
Or make units on map consist from many single units. Like civilizations buy generals or military leaders and then fill him with units either bought by gold(mercenaries) or conscripted(militias, feudal units, reservists) or garrisoned professional standing units from civ pools that you can train and fill cities or tile improvements like forts, castles or strongholds.
Or make maps much bigger with cities controlling whole provinces like in EL so units have more space to maneuver.

>>160939123
Doom for Doom minigame.
Payday 2 for goats.

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>>160947421
Its that because games are not done by single or small team but by big corporations and money are literally wasted and process is supervised by people who have little idea what they are doing.
Also they are obsessed with making profits so as you told they try to cut cost everywhere where it not affect them and this lead to shitty production.
Plus nepotism and current wave of political correctness.
>>160947429
Well then better pray than some Slavs decide to make 4x games because you gonna eat western crap until you die.

>>160947429
>unless you happen to be a rich developer on your own
Are you implying firaxis and many other game devs with years on the industry do not have enough money to make a polished release?

>>160947421
The root problem is money. If people bought Civ the way they bought Call of Duty, you could get a fully-functioning game for $75 (with preorder BS to bilk the kids and retards out of a little extra), and the only thing we'd be bitching about is how this year's release is too similar to last year's.

>>160947429
> You don't get well-done games no matter how you behave, unless you happen to be a rich developer on your own.
Then how did those fucking frenchmen do exactly that out of nowhere? And not just once but twice.

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>>160948586
Well, Firaxis couldn't make a Civilopedia for Civ 6 that is as good as the one for Civ 4, so clearly something has gone wrong. You need money to make a game of this level, in addition to something that Firaxis no longer has.

>>160947893
>political correctness
This bothers me, and I'm not the only one. The main problem people are having with the religion system is that you can't do anything about enemy religions coming into your territory. This despite the fact that killing heretics was routine throughout most of the relevant history.

We can't even give Firaxis the excuse that they're walking on eggshells culturally, because Paradox puts all of this plus explicit references to real-world figures in their games.

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>play Venice
>city is 5 squares away from Gold and Dyes

>>160949772
>Firaxis couldn't make a Civilopedia for Civ 6 that is as good as the one for Civ 4, so clearly something has gone wrong
I'd say its laziness, complacency or casualization. In terms of costs that thing is negligible.

>>160950612
okay but actually though what the FUCK went wrong with civ 6's civilopedia

>>160949970
>play as a power that was only ever relevant historically because of trade
>complain about having to trade for the things you want

>>160949527
>Endless shit
>good
el oh el

>>160950909
it was written by a person or a group of people who
1. have little understanding of history and no interest in research
2. fail to understand that players use the civilopedia to gain an in-depth understanding of tl;dr game mechanics that are only explained in brief elsewhere, not to laugh at dumb little jokes

why did these people get the job in the first place? nepotism, probably. people would rather give development funds to their girlfriends and bros than people who are invested in making a great game

Literally who gives this much shit about civilopedia you autistic chucklefucks
You've been bitching since day 1 and are still mad somehow

>>160952385
Go back to chugging your Halo 5, buddy.

>>160952385
hi Ed

>>160952385
Hi shill.

>>160952385
I don't know what to waste 20 turns having my city build unless I read about it first. That's how you play the game.

The technology and organization are so bad that it takes much more time to learn about than in previous Civ games. The history is so inaccurate that I feel bad for the kids who read it thinking they're getting non-fiction. The game-relevant information presented is incomplete and often misleading.

>>160949772
You can have Inquisition remove heresy, what do you mean?

Which is the best Civ for a science victory? I want to actually get there instead of accidentally winning by culture by the time I build my first spaceship part

Why the fuck isn't the AI breaking its promises an automatic casus belli?

>>160951001
>play as a power that was only ever relevant historically because of trade
And sacking Constantinople during the Crusades, causing the Byzantine Empire to collapse and allowing kebabs to take their place.

>>160953117
You sound a little butthurt.

>>160953057
"Because fuck you." - Developper.

>>160952776
What can I do about the missionaries and apostles hanging around my city? I don't mean sending out some priest to argue theology with them. My army should be able to burn these people at the stake.

It's not like this would be hard to code, either. Apostles are presumed to not have any real military capability, so any unit with military power should be able to kill them. It's like capturing a settler.

Later on it makes sense to get civics that provide some benefit to having religious liberty, so that killing enemy missionaries is disallowed (either explicitly or at the cost of making your people or other civs mad). But if you look at any history whatsoever, this nonsense of missionaries running around freely is illegal.

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>>160953202
Yes.

>>160952905
Anybody can do the science. What you need is industry to build the multiple wonder-level components needed, and Germany is industry.

Also be sure to drink or smoke a lot of pot IRL so that you can convince yourself that landing a man on Mars is on the same level of 'victory' as wiping out all competing civilizations.

>>160953603
I've already won by domination several times. I want to try something different.

Maybe instead, you should cut down on the drugs until you can separate reality and video games.

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FACTUALLY INCORRECT HISTORICAL INFORMATION IN MY VIDEO GAMES?
THIS CAN'T BE

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>>160954189
I AM GETTING OVERWHELMED BY ALL THESE GAMEPLAY RELEVANT INFORMATIONS

>>160954189
I'm almost sure this could be considered racist.

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>>160954336
POWERFUL LATE GAME UNITS?
HMMM IF ONLY THERE WAS A WAY TO QUICKLY FIND OUT WHAT THOSE ARE

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>>160954189
>>160954336
>>160954495

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>>160954495
GEE WILLIKERS THANKS A LOT GAME
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO WITHOUT YOU

>>160935797

Does anybody else get an XCOM 2 Advent vibe from the trailer?

hey billy, any of you know how to assign a personality to a custom empire in stellaris by empire name?

say my empire named SPACEMAMAS will have AI personality "very cool guys"

>try to go tall
>end up behind as fuck with no army

>>160954189
>>160954336
>>160954495
>>160954675
Why did you miss a part where he was comparing civ6 civilopedia to civ4?

>>160951001
I'm not mad about that
I'm mad because I'm BARELY out of border range from gold.

>>160954336
What fucking information do you need?
It already tells you the production and the tech needed you ingrate

>>160952739
What part of history is incorrect?

>>160954189
>>160954336
>>160954495
>>160954675
I don't understand your problem, all of them seem good enough.

>>160954493
lol why?

>>160958909
My guess is that it really really talks up the samurai in such a way that groups all of them together and almost makes them sound like caricatures.

>>160953823
Why are we not going to Alpha Centauri? Yes, I am extremely butthurt about the degradation of this victory type, including the fact that there was a spaceship designer in Civ 1.

Alpha Centauri is a genuine victory. Even if Earth falls to the Mongol hordes, the stars will be full of glorious English civilization, and even if that civilization splinters because of some spinoff game plot they are still, in the end, descendants of a truly victorious civilization.

Going to Mars is nothing but prestige and science unless you're actually colonizing it, and a colony that depends on its homeland is just an expensive continuing project that will cease to exist as soon as Gandhi pushes the button.

I blame the hipsters at Firaxis. They hate science (hence why the programming is so shit), so they want you to hate it too. Instead of making science victory the greatest possible achievement of a civilization, they make you divert your entire society's resources, forgoing actual prosperity and culture, to send your best and brightest to a dead rock to get cancer playing golf. The stupid, useless people back home end up denying that it even happened, thanks to their lack of culture. Your civilization gets nothing other than a participation trophy that somehow counts as 'victory' despite not benefiting you at all.

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I am fond of bridges

>>160959634
sick roundabouts bro

>>160960043
i'll be your roundabout

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>>160958216
See >>160954189

It's not even about pointing out a wrong thing, it's hard to find a sentence that's actually correct in that entry. The only sentences that "could" be considered correct are the ones where it's based on weasel words like "arguably" or "some", but they still end up giving people the completely wrong idea.

That entire thing is basically just headcanon.

>>160960268
whatever, just give me a round around

Civilization 6 gave me cancer.

>>160955431
eXplore
eXpand
eXploit
eXterminate

Don't leave out anything and eXpect to be successful.

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>>160945260
>C tier
>Japan

>>160959585
There is no such thing as a civilization "victory" in real life. At no point in the near or distant future will a head of state receive a card telling him he has won at empire building, no matter what he accomplishes in military or civilian achievement.

The devs probably figured Beyond Earth left such a sour taste in everyone's mouth (which it did) that they'd rather avoid science fiction. Going to Mars is at least a realistic task to put at the end of the rather conservative tech tree that caps off with robots and fusion, things we have right now. Alpha Centauri will not be feasible for hundreds of years.

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pretty cool turn 11

Someone recommend me a ship classes mod for Stellaris

I guess there's really only two choices, huh

>>160963664
Hot tip for you:

Make sure you ask Spain politely to use lubricant.

>>160963664
That's impressive that you managed to lose to barbarians like that as the Americans. Pretty sure your scout would win fights with barbarian warriors with terrain advantage.

Perhaps you shouldn't've sent your only units ten turns away from your only city.

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name something in civ 6 more useless than Grassland

>>160964353
Those aren't barbarians

>>160964436
You.

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Is there a mod for production time yet? I'd like to build more shit before an era ends.

>>160964492
thanks for reaffirming why i value my time spent here with other bitter nerd failures

>>160964436
Snow.

>>160960315
>The Japanese samurai were arguably the best pre-gunpowder warriors since the Roman legions.
Apples and oranges
>Emerging in the 12th century,
This is correct.
>the samurai were a warrior caste
correct
>sworn to follow the code of Bushido
correct
>which held bravery, honor, and loyalty above life itself
simplified and exaggerated but those are some of the main virtues of bushido
>Samurai typically carried two swords, the single-edged katana and the shorter wakizashi
True but misleading, the two swords were mostly symbolic and not actually the primary combat arms of samurai
>the latter used in the "seppuku" (suicide) ritual.
The smaller tanto was preferred for seppuku but using a wakizashi was not uncommon
>These swords were far superior to the equivalent Western longswords
As above, meaningless comparing apples and oranges
>the Japanese weapons-makers having mastered the art of combining high- and low-carbon steel
True but misleading, this is only an accomplishment because it allowed them to work with lower-quality iron ores
>Some also carried bow or spear, and later, firearms
True
>Depending on the era (and the samurai's wealth and status) a samurai might wear padded cloth, lacquered, or metal armor.
The only thing in the whole paragraph that might be construed as absolutely incorrect, samurai did NOT wear lacquered armor. This is a common misconception.

I found plenty of correct sentences.

>>160964558
The mod is called "playing Russia and placing cities on tundra tiles"

>>160964857
>These swords were far superior to the equivalent Western longswords

More like 100% objectively false

Give me four (4) reasons not to pick Pacifist for my Stellaris race.

>>160964934
Longswords and katanas were made in different contexts in different purposes. You may as well say a hammer is 100% objectively better than a saw.

>>160965101
4 alien cocks in your ass because you're a space hippy

>>160965506
>pacifist means xenophile

yeah okay buddy

>>160964436
sea

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>mvemba a nzinga has finished building broadway
>1500 AD

>>160965553
I'm implying it's not consensual.

>>160965775
>>160965506
there is literally nothing wrong with liking a bit of alien dick once a while

remember to nominate civ 6 for steam's 'test of time' award

>>160965876
Animal dick is better

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>>160965690
>going for a science victory
>mvemba wins a cultural victory in the 1800s
>i'm only on prince

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>>160966770
>>160965690
>he's ahead of everyone culturally and scientifically in every fucking game

I don't understand.

>>160965101
1. happiness penalty when you go to war
2. tons of aggressive AI who will wage war on you regardless of what you want
3. extremely limited diplomacy features means even the non-asshole AI will refuse to cooperate with you most of the time because your ethics aren't exactly identical to theirs
4. because of the previous reasons you will be forced to go to war with at least half the galaxy at some point, furthermore there are awakened empires and crises to consider, so choosing a faction that gets penalized for going to war in a game that forces you to go to war is just fucking stupid

>>160945260
Russia is A tier.

Egypt is C tier.

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>>160966902
Superior
Kongolese
Genetics

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>>160966902
>>160966770
Wait...maybe since Kongo can't build holy sites his AI is forced to build other more important stuff?

>>160966902
>>160967067
Actually happened in my most recent game too, Kongo had twice as much culture per turn as everyone else, and was leading in science too.

So I crushed him with cavalry and siege towers before he got out of hand. He had anti-tank units all over the place, but fortunately cavalry is dumb.

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God I hate now having my own religion.

>people say religion is shit
>helps you with cultural stuff, can give housing, or help growth, or many other things

You niggas be crazy.

>>160967858
wtf i love religion now

>>160967858
I don't want 800 apostles running at my capital the entire game. The pantheon is enough.

>>160967941
I think now was meant to be not.

My favorite way to play the game at the moment is with a focus on religion.

Not through religious victory, because that sucks, but by using faith as a second and more powerful currency than gold.

I played a multiplayer game earlier today against some friends, one guy is playing spain, declares war on me because my military strength is only 200.
Unfortunately for him, I had 4000 faith.
First I bought horsemen in every single city and encampment I had for three turns straight. Then I completed the cavalry tech that unlocked cossacks, upgraded all my horsemen and crushed his army in two turns.
Then I proceeded to run over his entire empire, and everyone else conceded when they saw that my military strength had gone from 200 to almost 3000 in under 10 turns.

>>160969314
Religious is just hammerspam to churn out HS and Shrines into infinity apostle.
Seclusion is passably useful.

>>160969314
Good way to make Prince more difficulty is playing on sparse resources.