/agdg/ - Amateur Game Developer General

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Deving won't give me love

>>160692461
Marketing is against the rules.

>>160692627
Nodeving also won't give you love

>>160692461
I don't like this new meme

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Tell me about your hopes and dreams, /agdg/. Where do you see yourself in the future 10 years from now?

Bokudev is racist. DO NOT LET THIS GO. DO NOT SWEEP THIS UNDER THE RUG. GET ANGRY. Call Bokudev the FUCK out. Make Bokudev apologize.

>>160692775
>Where do you see yourself in the future 10 years from now?
On a bridge, contemplating what could have been

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I seriously hope you guys aren't neglecting your camera work
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/ItayKeren/20150511/243083/Scroll_Back_The_Theory_and_Practice_of_Cameras_in_SideScrollers.php

>>160693030
The camera is centered around the player unless near a map boundary. :)

>>160693030
Quit making me link the video, shitters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCIMPYM0AQg

>>160692775
I hope that in 10 year I at the very least get over this almost perfect girl being a lesbian. I need a new crush so I can shove her off my head.

>>160693030
>making a platformer

kek enjoy no one noticing you even exist

target a niche genre or you've already lost anons

>>160693318
So what game are you making?

is making games for the sake of practiing considered nodeving?

>>160693437
That's all I do.

>>160693437
Quite the opposite

>>160693369
strategy game, easier to get noticed on all the little strategy game sites that don't get a lot of content compared to the 0 platformer game sites

how do i put the feelings of violent despair where i want to hurt everyone the same way i've been hurt into a game

I just want to make autism simulators mang.

Solo project, obviously.

What's the easiest way?

>>160693565
Start from scratch using opengl.
Using no libraries, not even libc.

>>160693437
It's really simple anon.
Are you making a game? if yes you are a yesdev, if no you are a nodev.

>>160693730
Yeah, coding left-handed in ASM ;)

>>160693735
>Have you ever finished making a game? if yes you are a yesdev, if no you are a nodev.
ftfy

>>160693549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_lspS2VQYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MobiaUb-jf0

>>160693730
>not even libc
What would be the fucking point
Every single worthwhile implementation of C has libc

>tfw going over Hearthstone cards in search of good non-removal spells to steal

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>>160693806
Did someone say ASM?

>>160693949
Y not MTG?

>>160694045
this is why the game runs like charm, take notice engine devs!

>>160694090
Because I made a very simple game so that the AI can deal with it.

>>160693565
I need someting that would let me easily put a graphical overlay onto a real-time simulation. What should I look into?

>>160693915
iirc I think Jonathan Blow was bitching about the compiler automatically including libc even if you don't want it because he just wants to use the platform api + intrinsics.

And now he's even developing his own language.

That man certainly has autism

I want to make a management style porn game in unity. Should I just have everything as "states"? So if (MAINMENU) call the mainmenu code, if (INGAME) use the game code, if(CUTSCENE) use the cutscene code. Is this a retarded way of doing this? Should I read a book?

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What games do elements the right way?

>>160694279
>take MTG
>dumb it down
Does it ring a bell?

>>160694326
>Should I read a book?
Several, in fact. Reading books has been linked to better problem solving ability several times in human history.

>>160694326
Nah states are fine.
Keep it simple in the beginning. You'll notice it when you need something more complex.

>>160694354
The ones where there are five or more. Like Pokemon.

>>160693735
>>160693858
that's what i'm talking about
every time i redesign the project and overcome the obstacle that made my previous project impossible to finish due to design decisions, another obstacle comes in
i mean, i'm learning from mistakes, but i still do plenty of them
is it considered yesdeving or nodeving?

>>160694354
Literally any game using something different than the usual ones you get in RPGs etc.

>>160694467
Okay. I think it will MOSTLY be an art project anyways. I've never coded anything bigger than a blackjack game.

>>160694545
do a jam game, it forces you to cut corners and finish shit
plus you still get practice

(DINO JAM)

>>160694354

>fire
>wind
>earth
>water
>holy
>chaos

These are the correct ones.

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>>160655590

Hell, I might just use this super character controller, it only took changing one line to get it working with my gravity thing.

>>160692816
but i dont care

my camera is centered, but the pace is slow enough with enough camera space that it works fine. if the game got faster then id need to work in a forward focused camera

>>160694821
That looks pretty dang good.

Time to get your character moving between planetoids.

>>160694770
Earth is a retarded element

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>>160695114
What do you think?

>>160695173
youre a retarded element

>>160694770
>holy
>not light
>wanting religious context

>>160694354
Puzzle Quest has water, earth, fire and air, and these are done very well there

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Welp, this isn't nearly as fun as I thought it would be.

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>>160695173
this, even SMT replaces it with wind

Devil Survivor was best
>Wind
>Elec
>Fire
>Ice
>Curse
>Phys it was an element enemies could be weak to or resist or even absorb
>Holy typically weak moves but nothing can resist it
>Truck
>Autism

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Made an electronic track for my top down shooter (posted prototype in last thread, gif is relevant).

Nothing crazy but the loop fits the purpose of keeping the energy up.

https://soundcloud.com/chinpobeats/vanish-in-space

>>160692627
>dev a decent title
>get a nice amount of money, at least enough to move house and live for a year, minimum, in a decent place
>relax a couple months
>find a job with other people
>expand social circles from your personal ground zero

It COULD find you love, anon.

At least, I'm fucking hoping it is for me. I'm in my prime years, and I work with middle-aged men on business software and have 0% chance of encountering females now all my uni friends have left the city, meaning I can't go out either.

At bare minimum, I'm saving to do the above without even releasing my game. Move closer to home, see some famiyl and some old friends.

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>>160695238

>>160695465
isn't it usually refereed to as almighty, and not holy? Also you forgot the most important element: Gun.

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Share your Tumblrs and Twitters. I'm only following a few people but I'd like to follow more of you guys.
Your dev one. Not your personal one.

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>>160695592
>get a nice amount of money,
it won't happen

i think thats why this general is so shit. rather than making games because it's a fun activity, you all just want money. >>>/biz/ then

>>160695642
>almighty
I had a brain fart, it is indeed still almighty in DS and DS2
>Gun
not in Devil Survivor, they took out a lot of the more redundant skills and elements

Strange Journey has the most important element though

>>160695591
health packs are barely visible, they look like they're background elements

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This is the Hub world for Animal Nebula (3d platformer where you swap between animals).
Each level entrance is found somewhere in here and locked away until you progress enough. There's an arcade, convenience store, and a day/night cycle and many other cool stuff

the dog can also bunynhop to increase speed to traverse larger areas

>>160695432
what part of clicking to move did you think was going to rock your world exactly?

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>>160693549

>>160695801
thanks for feedback, i will change the color

>>160693304
>perfect girl
>lesbian
What a waste.

>>160695791
>i think thats why this general is so shit. rather than making games because it's a fun activity, you all just want money /biz/ then

I actually just got to this board, I don't come here often - why do you see these two things as being mutually exclusive?

>>160694354
magic the gathering

>>160695791
persona 5 brought back gun as an element and it's great, they also got rid of the dumb instakill spells that never work and just made light.dark actual attack elements again.

>>160695791
>>160695963

Also, by "nice amount of money", if you read on into that post you'd see I meant actually a tiny amount. At $10 a copy, you could easily sell 2000 copies if your title's not shit and you have good enough word of mouth. That's $20k, enough to get you out of your house and renting somewhere new.

I didn't mean, "enought to do gamedev full time".

>>160696047
>homogenization is nice

>>160695643
https://twitter.com/TheeWhiteReaper

I dont like to share my tumblr anymore because everytime I post on twitter I get tons of replies and likes, but everytime I post on tumblr I get nothing.

Sometimes I think tumblr is for furry porn devs.

i'll bash your head in anon
and before you say "thanks"
you'll be long gone

>>160695591
make the health more visible
make the shells less visible
and I hope its running at 60fps and its just the gif thats making it choppy

>>160696163
>having 1/4th of enemy weaknesses be attached to expensive, entirely luck based skills is nice

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>>160695895
I dunno, I thought it could be make for a fun control scheme but it doesn't feel satisfying, might as well just go with WASD.

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>>160695643
http://desertgame.tumblr.com/

>>160695939
she's also an artist and musician, while I like writing and am a programmer. We could've been the Dream Dev Couple... Fuck I wish was born a girl.

>>160694545
What the fuck are you talking about?
If you are currently creating a game then you are yesdevving. If you are not currently creating a game then you are nodevving.

It doesn't matter how many mistakes you make. What matters is that you're making a video game.

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>>160695963
requiring money creates stress to make your product appeal to a market rather than just making your product for the sake of making it

>>160696086
>That's $20k, enough to get you out of your house and renting somewhere new.
moving out of home does NOT cost 20k and you could save that up in a conventional job much more easily. no one is going to buy your garbage unity tutorial walking simulator anyway

>>160696218
>everytime I post on twitter I get tons of replies and likes
>using meme tags that activate bots

>>160696218
oh hi boku. ill follow your twitter and tumblr. dont see the reason in not posting it. of course you wont get activity if you dont share it. thankfully i can just google it

>>160696458
already following. i love the look of your game.

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>>160696501
>Fuck I wish was born an anime girl.
Fixed.

i'm going to hold your arms behind you and push my foot through your back so fucking hard that your ribs will explode through the front

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>>160696710
>Fuck I wish was born an anime dog girl.
Fixed.

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>>160696852
Wrong pic.

Post dev music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSoklGqIwc4

>>160696450
what's the game? based on what you have, I assume it's an ARPG

>>160696501
I don't know, anon. I accept people as they are, but I still think that only a minority of gay/lesbian people are actually that, and for the great majority it's just a fetish got out of control or they have other mental problems. Like bad parenting from the opposite sex, bad first experiences with the opposite sex leads to the false conclusion that you might be into your own sex, misunderstanding good friendship with love etc.

So no hope is lost, but other than that, focus your energies and efforts and thoughts on things worth working for.

>>160697034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt2sbtvBuk8

>>160696607
>requiring money creates stress to make your product appeal to a market rather than just making your product for the sake of making it

When did I say requires it? And I call horseshit, people make games for themselves all the time and they get a bit of cash from it. There's enough people out there that unless you make ABSOLUTE dog shit you're going to appeal to some sort of audience, just a matter of letting them know.

>>160696607

Jesus christ, you're taking my "game dev can lead to a better life" idea way too fucking seriously. Devving CAN lead to money. Money CAN lead to living somewhere better. Money CAN therefore lead to shit like friends and love. I never said it definitely happens, you tool.

Now I remember why I don't come to /v/ or /vg/ anymore.

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What does agdg enjoy besides nodeving?

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>>160695643
i guess i will
@herr_jak on twitter, herrjak on tumblr

>>160697493
masturbating

Is gravity manipulation fun?

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>>160697259
>making a video game is at all a good way to make money or find love
have you seen the average "indie developer"

>>160697493
weird pussy

don't get it confused bitch i'll rip your toes off and gouge out your fucking eyes with them

>>160695643
http://scarfdev.tumblr.com
no twitter for now cus those are annoying to manage more than 1 of

>>160697750
I've seen the average indie developer, yes.

That scene is just dying for a fucking non-meme spouting normie to come in and wreck house, because holy fuck indie developers are cancer.

Also it can be good for short term burst of cash, but I in no way ever said it was good for long term career. I said get enough to move and settle down for a few months, and in the mean time look for a real job.

>>160697715
no

>>160697563
already followed on twitter. following on tumblr

>>160697814
followed
>no twitter for now cus those are annoying to manage more than 1 of
agreed. it takes some dedication which is kind of annoying.

>>160697193
Honestly, I'm still not sure, I was hoping that testing things out would make it more clear in my head. I sort of want to keep it calm and comfy with no combat (talking to people, picking up objects, collecting stuff etc) but at the same time I had some ideas related to combat that I wanted to try, though this control scheme doesn't sound suited for combat to me. I know Diablo and some other games use it, but it jut doesn't click pun not intended with me.

>>160694354
Final Fantasy: Tactics
Generally it ends with one or two elements being shit, because you aren't allowed to manipulate terrain or go completely overboard

>>160697894
>Also it can be good for short term burst of cash,
incorrect

it's incredibly rare for indie games to be successful

anyone have that old "90% of indie games operate at a loss" slide?

>get enough to move and settle down for a few months,
if you think that you need 20k for it to be "enough" you're naive as fuck and don't know the literal value of money at all, i question that you can budget moving out

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>>160698071

>>160697251
https://a.cuntflaps.me/gvhck.webm

>>160698071
>successful

There you go again, saying I ever said this.

Average indie game sells 7000 copies on Steam. That's the average of a cess pit of titles. It's not a massive amount, but it's an okay bit to get on with for a few months.

>>160698071

I've moved three times in the past 3 years and it's cost me less than that. I'm a 25 year old full time programmer. I've spent about $6k on moving in total. Why the fuck is it costing you guys so much to move from where you are?

My idea's scope is too large, there's no way I can make it.
What sort of game can be made by 1 person with no art skills?

>>160698538
>What sort of game can be made by 1 person with no art skills?
Pong. Breakout. Restricted Rock Paper Scissors.

>>160698538
A 2d platformer, match3 game, sideways 2d shooter, ect...

>>160698538

Look up some game jams, make simple shit. Embrace the minimalist style of art to hide how shit your art is.

>>160698302
>Average indie game sells 7000 copies on Steam.
Average indie game is included in humble bundles for like 6 cents a pop

you're better off getting adsense revenue from a porn blog

>Why the fuck is it costing you guys so much to move from where you are?
I dunno why are you saying you need 20k to move out of home, it cost me about 100 bucks for a truck and some beers the next night to get someone to drive the thing and help me move my disgusting CRT

>>160698728
>I dunno why are you saying you need 20k to move out of home, it cost me about 100 bucks for a truck and some beers the next night to get someone to drive the thing and help me move my disgusting CRT

Your reading comprehension is dog shit. I said $20k is enough to move house and pay for a few months of rent at a minimum while you look for a god damn job.

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>>160698694
But my idea is a sideways 2D shooter.

why do video games other than the last window series even exist

>>160698860
And that's out of your scope?

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>>160698149
dont do this to me

>>160698860
>always
>implying he's had several ideas for 2D shooters
>but doesn't actually want to just fucking make one

Why?

>>160698918
The programming should be easy, but I have no art or music skills.

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>too poor to buy assets

I hate creating boring assets

>>160699264
>he actually wants to buy assets

>>160699264
sell your assets to buy assets

>>160699189

What are you trying to do? Become a programmer in a game dev company? Or lead your own?

Because sounds like you need to go get yourself some free resources, make several fun prototypes out of them and put together a resumé explaining why you're a decent enough programmer for some company to hire you.

That or make friends who want to do game art/music.

>>160698845
>I said $20k is enough to move house and pay for a few months of rent at a minimum while you look for a god damn job.
what kind of moron moves into a new apartment without having a fucking job unless they're under some kind of duress

>budgeting 20k
>for a few months
>when you have no job

you are shit with money and probably even shittier with game dev

>>160699264
maybe you shouldnt make video games if you dislike it as an activity

>>160699691

Guy wants a new life. I told him the way to do that.

>budgeting 20k
>for a few months
>when you have no job

I said at a minimum, dick, and that's WITH overspending. Play it straight and that could easily last a fucking year if you wanted, but any route you go down it's enough to last you until you find a fucking job.

You basement dwelling momma's boys have such a fucked view of how difficult everything is, you know that? I'm glad I abandoned this shit hole years ago before the pessimism crept into me. See you in another 5.

>>160699368
Me and some of my friends want to make indie games together. Unfortunately we're 3 programmers with no other talents.
One of my friends is rich, maybe I can convince her to hire us an artist.

>>160699860
>you have to like every single part of an activity to do it

>>160700031
>I said at a minimum, dick, and that's WITH overspending.
thats not a minimum then, moron

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which one looks best?

>>160700179
A > B > C

>>160700179
Honestly I hate all three.

>>160700237
this, everything in >>160700179 is deeply disgusting. it's source tier

>>160700179
B

>>160700098
making assets is 50% of game dev

>>160700179
None of them look that great, but B is the best one.

>>160700179
ground texture kinda kills C

honestly its the rabbit model that bugs me the most, but A and B aren't really too bad

>>160699264
Why are you making that as an "asset" and not as part of larger level geometry?

>>160700179
"A" actually looks decent, the rest seem mah

>>160700179

Textures in A and C look absolutely awful, so B.

>>160700179
B.

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maken a virtual IRC chat :~)

>>160700530
because I want different variants of it.

>>160694220
And how many platforms is RCT on?

>>160700707

Colors are a bit too... err... CGA, for my tastes. But low res rendering like that is my secret fetish. Don't tell anyone.

>>160700921
yeah colors are gonna change 4 sure

>>160700074
No, don't bother. Just look around for an artist, either online or at your school (if you go to school). If you're out of education, look up nearby recreational art groups/centres/wherever, or the nearest university's Facebook group. You don't need to get your friend to spend cash, that's just a waste.

And again, you could just embrace the minimalist style. Just do vaguely shaped groups of blocks with a bunch of different colours, who gives a fuck, just get something on your resumé.

Alternatively, learn to mod something and reorganize assets into something new.

What you're telling me is you want to design a game, but have no design skills. The answer is to develop those design skills, over time. Doing this with shitty programmer art is fine.

Bare in mind, all prototypes look like shit until final art is put over them, so it's not like you need to do a AAA quality artistic effort to get something your resumé.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZa3OWBxSVo

Im starting my AI
What methodologies are there? Whats the best one for if I want to be able to go
npc.eatAtRestaurant()
and it'll do preliminary actions like picking up its wallet, moving to the place, eating, paying, and going home?

>>160697249
that was a very thoughtful reply, thanks anon

>>160700179
definitely B

>>160700707
I would unironically enjoy a full-fledged game with these graphics.

>>160700772
>make a thing once as an "asset" because you want different variants of it
??

?????

>>160701139
I'm the anon you're replying to.
I have made a game with a very minimal art style. I even posted it here in /agdg/ fairly frequently, but in the end I gave up because no one seemed interested. I didn't feel like there was any reason to continue if no one was going to play it.

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>>160701139
>And again, you could just embrace the minimalist style.
Look! Shitfam's back!

I think you dropped this. Lol. :^)

>>160701150
>methodologies

You'll find little in the way of standardization when it comes to AI, pretty much every game has something built from the ground up specifically for whatever they want. Closest you'll come to having standard code across games is pathfinding.

Maybe it's having a background in system design that helps me out, but generally what I do is I ask what specifically I want them to do, detail it a bit further, then plan out the actual classes/methods that would be involved and what would be effected. Usually happens on the go, and gets refactored later on once I get it doing what I want as well as I can.

What game are you making? People here could give you examples of games in that genre with decent AI that you could try and "solve" to figure out how they did it.

>>160701482
The fuck is that, Shadowman?

>>160701384

If you follow my replies, I did say it was to get a few prototypes under your belt so you can try and get a job somewhere that puts you in a team with actual artists/game designers for a while.

I'd say your best bet though is game jam forums. As far as I'm aware people match up for collabs there pretty well.

>>160701724
My school has a "game art" club, although I've never been to it. Do you think it would be a bad idea to make the game as much as I can using shitty programmer art, then meet someone from that club and ask for help?

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>>160701991

Braid did it, so why not?

You're making sure your game doesn't perpetuate mysognistic video game stereotypes as outlined in Tropes Vs. Women, right?

Unreal or Unity to start out with vidyadev?

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>>160699365
good idea, that'll be 700$ plus tip

>>160700179
B for sure.

>>160702126
Unreal is the better engine, Unity has better documentation/help online.

>>160701284
thanks yeah its j gonna be a place to hang with your boys online and emote/ chop wood/ talk game ideas or whatever. Trying to avoid gamifying it.

>>160702126
Do you want to build with legos and never actually learn anything (Unreal Blueprints) or use the greatest programming language in the world (C#)?

>>160701150
Depends on your scope and experience.

Finite State Machines (FSM): As a beginner these are easy to grasp and the way they work is pretty transparent. Because you need to explicitly code each transition between states, adding a new state becomes a chore and weakpoint for bugs, because you may need to code 15 transitions or more.
A subclass of Finite State Machines are Fuzzy State Machines, which one should take a look at.

Goal-Oriented Action-Planning (GOAP): The system behind the AI in F.E.A.R. and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is used to enable npcs to solve problems by selecting a plan that consists of a pool of actions available to them. For example, a mob has an unloaded gun, a magazine or clip for that gun, a knife, and the goal to kill the player. The GOAP plan to solve this could look like
(rangeToPlayer < distance) -> MeleeAttack
or
(rangeToPlayer > distance && hasAmmo) -> reloadGun -> (gunLoaded) -> shootPlayer
or even
(rangeToPlayer > distance && hasNoAmmo) -> moveToPlayer -> (rangeToPlayer < distance) -> Meleeattack
It's difficult to set up at first, but easily extendable. Having many entities planning can be taxing on the CPU, so GOAP is to be implemented with care. Advanced users only for sure.

Behaviourtrees are kinda the midpoint between the two. Instead of allowing every state at once, you have parent nodes of actions which branch into leaf actions specific to that parent node. This way one cuts down on possible actions and therefore decisionmaking is less taxing, since there are fewer options to consider.

Any of these is interesting on its own, so I recommend taking a gander at them even if you have decided on another.

>>160695643
https://twitter.com/MonolithDevs
http://monolithdevs.tumblr.com/

>>160702441
>Do you want to build with legos and never actually learn anything (Unreal Blueprints)
but that's bullshit

>>160702584
followed.
fucking love your game by the way

>>160702593
I believe you have been successfully baited

>>160695886
Whoa, this is giving me some Space Station Silicon Valley vibes!

>>160702593
Not that guy, but Unreal's blueprint system is fine for anyone but programmers. It's much less intuitive than they'd have you believe, and jumping to that from pure programming or the other way around will be a punch in the gut for anyone. Their scripting editor is bugged too - if you don't write in their exact format, the bastard thing just crashes out and gives poor error reports.

Decent engine when you get it working anyway.

>>160702937
I can't say I've found that at all

>>160703096

To each their own.

Is it a bad idea to call sleep() to control framerate? If I don't do it, my FPS goes into the thousands.

>>160695643
http://tylercccc.tumblr.com/
https://twitter.com/lo_res_kid

personal twitter/tumblr but idc

>>160703535
it is a bad idea that will increase the potential slowdown on slower machines

>>160702542
How is GOAP different from a FSM exactly? In your GOAP example, wouldn't the state machine just be like:

IdleAction()
{
if(rangeToPlayer < distance)
ChangeState(Melee);
else if(rangeToPlayer > distance && hasAmmo)
ChangeState(Reload);
else if(rangeToPlayer > distance && hasAmmo == false)
ChangeState(Shoot);
}

>>160703535
That sounds like you'd attach game logic to framerate.
I strongly advise against that.

>>160703535
use vsync, sleep slows fucking everything if it fails.

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getting there with player 1 update

>>160700179
>unity_shaders.jpg

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alright you fucks I need to make boku's gf the second player in co-op mode, is boku's gf better as a brown bunny or white lets have a vote?

>>160704150
Those are big projectiles

>>160704181
brown one

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>>160700179
B looks best, but please drop the depth of field. It's like game developers nowadays seem to have no fucking clue what they're doing and put DOF everywhere, which makes the games look like you're looking at miniature figurines.

>>160697493
Listening to inspirational music while deving:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkdtmT8A2iY

>>160703793
This is my game loop code: http://hastebin.com/vegasadudu.php

If I remove the SDL_Delay call at the bottom, the game speeds way up (too fast to play). I guess that means I messed something up.

>>160704181
brown is way easier to tell apart from player 1.

>>160704230
>black bunnies.

You should know the answer to this Boku, everything white is better.

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>>160704181
Hi Boku, what did you mean by this?

>>160704150
cute

>>160704328
are you not actually moving your objects by the delta time? your game loop looks perfect

>>160704181
Normally I'm opposed to miscegenation, but
>>160704330
makes a good point.

>>160704369
Photoshopped by the discord shitposters clearly.

>>160704181
Make it yellow, a light yellow or black or a mutlicolor bunny or rust color

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I added support for rendering many different pokemans with one material/drawcall.
Every creature has an index to a spritesheet that determines its sprite, and I can display it by changing the UV's of the quad that makes up a creature.

At the moment I can support up to 64 different species in the world, but it should be easy enough to grow/shrink the spritesheet dynamically.

>>160704249
Saying that, I love it on strategy games. Everything else uses it too much though.

>>160704436
The game objects are moved by a fixed delta time, it's different from the variable delta time that's in the code I linked.

>>160703783
It's difficult to show the advantage of GOAP in small scope. It's really designed to plan around a bigger pool of actions, which include for example dodging behaviour, shooting from cover, picking up weapons and ammo etc. An important attribute of an action is its cost, which makes it more or less desirable compared to other actions. It's also easily expanded to work with squad behaviour and strategic AI.

Don't get me wrong, GOAP isn't a big separate thing from all other methods of creating intelligence. In fact, at the base of GOAP is a FSM that switches between two (three) states: MoveTo and Animate (/Perform action).
The dynamically plotted list of actions is probably the biggest difference and main advantage over just FSM. It's basically a tool to lift some wieght off the designer's back.

Defining an action works like this: Define preconditions, define effects on world state, done. If an agent is allowed to use this action, just add it as a child node (or however your engine works). Would you want to limit the actions available to an entity in a pure FSM, you'd have

if (entity != type_dog && entity != type_helicopter && ...)
if !hasAmmo: findAmmo
else if entity != type_lasershark: BearclawAttack
etc. (Or alternativeley create a new FSM for each entity with lots of copypasted code)

>>160700179
B looks the most comfy, A looks the most fun to explore. C is just a bit too saturated.

Can you up the brightness/saturation in A and B?

>>160704181

Brown is more recognisable.

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>>160704531
And an HD shot too.
I really need to get the sprites pixel-perfect at every zoom level or only support the ones that give a crisp picture.
no fucking mixels or interpolation are allowed in my game

>>160704575
Which can make sense sometimes, because it's kinda like you're playing a board game.

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>>160704207
uuuu
their hitbox is a bit smaller than the fiery part
>>160704392
thanks

>>160704769
I'll do some more reading - weighted actions sound like the biggest difference.

Thanks anon.

>>160704531
>>160704846
You are an inspiration to us all.

>>160702542
I appreciate the writeup. After I posted, I realized AI is probably the wrong term for what I'm doing. There isn't really decision-making, its more like a scripting system, making sure all requirements are met, and if not, do the action to fulfill the missing requirements. And then that action has its own requirements and so on. So GOAP sounded good because of hasAmmo -> reloadGun, but it sounds like thats more about evaluating between options rather than parsing out nested requirements. It sounds like Behaviour trees are the way to go for my game.

>>160701559
Its funny you mention that AI is purpose-built per game, this was the first aspect that I specifically stopped myself from starting off with home-rolling something and looked for existing solutions first. All existing assets seemed to focus on movement, whereas I'm looking for more requirement fulfillment.

I'm working on a hacking game, so an example of what I want would be:
NPC, say "hello world" in this chat channel
Am I joined to that chat channel? If so, do speak("hello world")
Am I connected to the server that hosts that channel?
Is the chat program that I need to connect with, running on my computer?
Do I have a chat program executable I can run?
Do I have a browser running where I can download the chat program executable?

So its more like theres only one solution to any given problem, but they'll stack up.

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>>160704181
How about a more lighter brown?

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Can anyone tell me what either of these fonts are, or recommend a similar one?

>>160704181
>not same fur color bokubes

You just want fucking SJW brownie points. Reminder that everyone will look at your game and think you're promoting interracial fucking, das not cool bokudev

>>160705404
I'm proving im not a racist like

>>160704369
suggests.

>>160705041
No probs. Working on my own implementation in Godot right now, which is why I'm so vocal about it.
There isn't that much data on the web sadly, mainly the original site by Jeff Orkin (Designer for the outstanding AI in F.E.A.R.): http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~jorkin/goap.html
Plus I think 2 bachelor papers that heavily reference his work. The one in german is actually a pretty good read and much closer to today's tech than the other (Orkin was 2003, the first paper in 2005 and the german one in 2011 or 2013, not sure which).

I'm also loosely basing my work on this Unity implementation: https://github.com/sploreg/goap
I recommend looking at that if you have the time. Just open it in Notepad(++) if you don't use Unity.

>>160705251
they both look like shit
why would you want that

>>160704181
BLACKED bunny is better

>>160700179
They all look like shit.

>>160705116
Thanks, reading something like that on AGDG feels bretty good

>>160704181
>>160705803
>>160705174
>>160704230
Too many fucks in this thread that are BLACKED. White girls are so much fucking better all this brown pandering is disgusting.

>>160705943
as a non white with a white gf, I'm laughing at you

>>160705549
>catering to shitposters
Hahaha, oh Boku... wait, you're serious?

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>>160705943
How does that make you feel Anon? Think about all the juicy porn bokudevs gonna get now with white on brown bunny cube action.

>>160706106
>>160704369

why do nodevs always bully yesdevs?

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>>160706261
:O

>post a fictional block bunny with a darker block bunny
>/pol/ suddenly shits all over the thread

Why?

>>160706581
Crabs in a bucket.

>>160706261
Chatroom namefag facefags deserve maximum bullying. I'm calling it right now that bokube is the next rotate but may have an even more epic meltdown. We shall see.

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>>160704181
Just make bok like mario, save multiple bunny gfs and is never implied to be dating any of them, now you can have all color gfs with neckbeards arguing over who is the official ship.

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Help? The weight painting is properly set, I don't get why it's mirroring the IK on the X axis ignoring it.

I GET BROADS IN ATLANTA

>>160706664
I'm sorry, but that would fall under the "Damsel in distress" trope as discussed in Tropes Vs. Women episode 1.

>>160705152

So think of a way to structure that, programmatically.

e.g.
>Command - containers for details of a specific command
>Event - containers for a sequence of Commands, as well as when to perform the list of commands (i.e. what triggers the event)
>GameController - controls all updates in the games, and at specific points knows when to check if any Events have been triggered, before parsing the Commands that go along with it

That's a high-level view of it, but it's a start.

I'd really suggest going through different sites like Project Euler. They present problems, and you have to solve them in your language of choice. It helps teach problem solving skills, which are essential for you solving the problem of how to create your AI.

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>>160706092
Your gf is into the wrong race

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>you've been here how many years and have never made a game?

>>160706673
wat

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>>160706881
The anti-nodev crusade must go on.

>>160706881
>4 years ago
>used to regular /agdg/
>shit happened in real life and I got real down
>decided game dev wasn't for me
>quit 4chan, got a real job, earning an okay amount
>now realise that with my free time I can make a game AND not worry about getting a job or making too much money from it

And all it cost me were my friends.

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>>160707034
>sourcefam insta-triggered
That many years? Hmm wow. It's almost as if you're not really a gamedev then?

>>160706881
i've been fucking around with dev for more or less 12 years now and although i finished a few projects, i've never earned a single cent from it

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>this took longer to program than it took to draw
dev is hard

>>160706673
Looks like you messed up your pole targets

>>160707071
people lose most of their friends by 30/a few years of 9-5, deal with it

>>160707239
What did you even program? The fireflies could just be an animation

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reposting old progress to bump motivation

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slowly doubling the amount of level up cards

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Instead of working on my game I finished System Shock 1 for the first time today. I did this so I could study its design by which i mean, stealing game and leveldesign ideas from it

Also I accidentially started it when I opened my steam library and thought why not.

>>160707071
go to bars and such more often, it's where adults meet eachother these days

>>160707328
The fireflies flicker in a randomized way, but more dependant on their relation to the rest of the objects in the room, and GMs direction shit is really hard to mess with without stupid shit happening, plus the lighting up is based on how close fireflies are to the corpse/ground, not just an animation.

tl;dr it didnt need to be that complicated but it is so oh well

>>160707483
>not stealing the overly clunky controls and interface and applying them to a completely different genre
It's like you don't want the artificial difficulty demographic.

>>160707535
>going to bars by yourself

I guarantee you're not making an friends that way, you fucking creepo.

And I have friends, why are you thinking I posted what I did in /r9k/ fashion to moan about my life? I have a close knit circle of new friends I see every few weeks between work and talk to regularly too.

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>>160707483
Oh yeah what are some other games with great level design to steal from?
Apart from looking glass games that is.

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This is you. L I T E R A L L Y your ""game"" and your ""life"". Literally nothing. Lol. Just lol. So fucking triggered. :^)

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>>160707696
>I guarantee you're not making an friends that way, you fucking creepo.
why would i lie about that

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T O M O R R O W

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>>160706881
...f-five.

>>160707414
What is the game idea?

>>160708057
Detective game during jack the ripper timeline

>>160707483
>>160707715
level design is not game dev

>Haven't talked to my artist in weeks
>Been too depressed to even touch code base
>Motivation dead
How do I redeem this situation

post github

>>160707915

Better bet for someone with no friends is to find something local that you enjoy and just mingle. Bars are a fucking no go though, because the movies were lying.

Unluckily for me, I'm into nerdy shit, and going to comic stores to make friends is like stepping into a sweaty sock filled with teenage me's. No I do not give a fuck about Brexit. No I do not give a fuck about whether you like DC or not. Talk to me like a human being.

On the other hand, I made several close, global friends during my teen years on video games and streaming sites and now keep in touch and visit them regularly.

>>160708167
https://github.com/ArcOfDream

Not a lot to see atm, tho.

>>160708145
why does a detective have a gun

>>160704150

How come you segmented the SP bar into two, anyway?

>>160708145
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes_Versus_Jack_the_Ripper

>>160708296

British people like to fantasise about the past, so they give them things they don't have, like guns, integrity and decent lore.

>>160708161

Just do it. Nothing stopping you, other than you.

>>160708296
>why does a detective have a gun
Thanks for reminding me that SS13 is was a thing.

>>160708296
because there are beast running around

>>160707715
That question was for you too sourcefam >>160706881
Afraid to face the answer? I would be too. It must be a haunting specter in your life, the fact that you've spent so many years here and never once came close to making a game.

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>>160708152
>game design is not game dev

Level design is everything.
Do you think people played Thief because of its "great" combat mechanics?
Even its stealth mechanics relied heavily on the well designed levels.

Except for "Thieves Guild". Fuck that level

>ask for an artist on tumblr
>artist reaches out to me
>he's kind of autistic but his pixel art is great
>give him my phone number
>he texts me non-stop
>asks for my picture
>think he's just one of those people who needs a photo to put on all of his contacts pages
>send him one
>now a week later he's asking for another picture
w-what the fuck did i do?

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>people are talking about games
>mothdan randomly has a meltdown over "sourcefam" again

>>160700179
thanks for the feedback. ill work on making the textures smoother. I want them to have some noise to them, which is why I moved away from the solid colors of B

>>160702828
yea one of the inspirations, thanks for checking it out

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>>160708397

>>160708834
He wants the D m8

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>>160704249
DOF is fine as long as it's used subtly. The "default" settings are almost always too much.

>>160708359
it makes it just slightly easier to see when you're below half the shield power meter and the length of segments matches those of the health meter
it sticked

>>160708834
>voluntarily revealing anything that can be used to identify you to anyone on the internet
You are now a fetish object. He printed your picture and jizzed on it. Now he needs more material.

>>160708826
>Level design is everything.
No it's not, it's only one aspect of making a game.

>>160708838
>he thinks he's people
neck yourself sourcefam you were a mistake

>>160708826
daily reminder there are fan missions with even better design and if you didn't play them you are no true thief fan

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Anyone else making a game that they would want to play rather than something that would make big bucks off of?

>>160709196
Thi4f? I didn't know there were fan missions of it! That's cool!

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>>160709058
>>160708826
>L-level design is game dev, guyze!! look at my garry's mod map!!!

Lol. Just lol. How's that going? :^)

Special private message for sourcefam

D E L E T E
Y O U R S E L F

>>160709309
No, you are the only one doing it for yourself. The rest of us will make it big.

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>>160709309
right here friend, my games probably wont sell for shit, but i'll make sure it doesn't suck

what are the alternatives to finite state machines?

>>160709597
see
>>160702542
and replies. Not necessarily a complete list, but a start.

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>>160709058
It's definitely a core aspect. More than many other aspects. Interesting player mechanics as gameplay features are nice and all but they need to be well integrated into the level design actually making the thing a game instead of a lackluster sandbox.
Looking glass games are actually the perfect examples for that.
Their levels are like shattered pieces of a world and the player has the toolbox to fix them and put them together and make sense of them. Ideally in a couple of ways. What do all the water arrows in the world get me if I have no opportunity to use them intelligently?

>>160709597
infinite state machines

>>160709309
I don't get the point of making something for myself. Surely by the time I'm done with the game I will be sick of it and won't want to touch it.

>>160709196
hell I wish I could play those but tafferpatcher keeps fucking up my installation. Everytime I start thief 2 it crashes to desktop immediately.

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Working on this guy's side-sprite. I already have the walk-down animation. J-just 7 more directions to animate for this guy

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post games with qt kitties

>>160709932
this

it's like drawing, in that way

you don't draw to admire your art, it's the act of drawing itself that's fun

>>160709675
I mean for input and other stuff. For example I was putting flags everywhere because I don't want your character to be able to jump when they are already jumping.

>>160710020
Why are you animating a fat black guy tho

>>160710020
>8 directional game
>side perspective

ROOKIE MISTAKE

>>160710271
He needs a fat black man to be a central character for his boxing game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYFqnkCS8Sc

>>160709309

I'm making games for a creative outlet.

I do literally everything. Tabletop roleplaying games, writing half finished novels, screenplays, fanficition, just making shit up in my head.

I even do autistic fantasies. I open up a game where you can create a character and create a few characters, level them up just a little bit, then imagine their adventure through another world using the random skills or items they had.

I am literally fucking autistic. If I didn't have any outlet for my creative energy I would kill myself.

map.action_queue.push lambda {map.show_message ["Hello!"]}

Is this too verbose?

>>160710237
wat

FSM most often means a construct to allow entities autonomous decisionmaking, i.e. acting without player input.

What do you mean saying
>putting flags everywhere
because right now I don't know whether you mean boolean variables you check against or literally objects with a flag sprite.

Please specifiy.

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KILL YOURSELF SOURCEFAM

I OWN YOU JUST LIKE I OWN THIS THREAD

YOU HAVE TO OBEY ME

>>160710545
This is the blog I'm reading.
http://gameprogrammingpatterns.com/state.html
I don't think there is an alternative, just gotta plan everything out.

I finally got a new dev machine and I can start devving again ( :

>>160710932
I love gameprogrammingpatterns. However, I often feel that trying to implement the ideas makes my code even more confusing.

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YOU BROKE THE LAW SOURCEFAM

THIS IS IN THE MAIL TO YOUR MOTHER

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>game maker
>everything is working fine. good progress.
>make some sprites.
>come back
>an object's draw event is LITERALLY not even running
>cannot get it to run.
>it was working before.
>no answers on the internet.

i just dont understand sometimes. maybe its a sign to stop working today.

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>>160710373
He's gonna be a bad guy I think. But honestly, I'm not 100% sure what my game is about or what role he'll play. I'm winging it.

>>160710373
My game will have two perspectives, a side-perspective and a top-down orthographic perspective. I may have to play with the sprites a bit, but ideally, I'll have sprites that work with both perspectives.

>>160711127
post code

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>>160710025

>>160711127
check if the object was deactivated, if it was destroyed, if it's visible or not

>>160711181
Whoops, on the first reply I meant to reply to >>160710271 instead of >>160710373

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>>160711204
>>160711218
>if it's visible or not
god fucking dammit. i must have unchecked that earlier for testing and forgot to recheck it. i would have lamented over this issue for hours if you hadn't said that.

thank you for the help anons. you saved the day from my incompitence

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Animation is fucking hard

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How easy would a tower defense game be to pull off in GML? I have a very poor understanding on how the AI and pathing would function.

my dick is not game dev

>>160711765
I thought you left agdg forever

>>160711684
just use GM's paths

>>160711674
>rotate has a dick

wow i guess im gay now

>>160711684
tower defense is retardedly simple

as mentioned, GM has an inbuilt pathing system

>>160711684
Honestly, I can see it being really easy to implement.

Since tower defense levels almost always have a single path, you can draw it out manually in the editor (rather than creating it in code if it needed to be a dynamic path), and have a path per level. Then you could just use distance_to_point for the turrets and activate them if they get in range. Then set a timer that creates enemies, make an upgrade system, and code in placing turrets, and you're golden.

>>160711684
Pretty easy. 2-3/10.
You make a grid as your playing field / level.
On this grid, you can either
- have all tiles available for tower construction
- have reserved tiles for towers and critters
Then define one or more entry points that spawn bad guys.
Then an exit point for them to head to.
Pathfinding utilizes GMS native functions.

Add towers and bad guys as you wish.
Ready to throw onto mobile market for $.99

test

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don't you have some light orbs to go chase, danny :3

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>>160711765
Lol. Post more twingos you fucking literally insane shitposter. How's Full Sail? :^)

>>160711894
i got banned from the drug discord i left for so i'm back here.
i'm making an nes game for fun right now
i quit drugs
>>160711927
girl dicks aren't gay
>>160712142
what

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>>160712056
>onto mobile market

i was thinking dlsite if you catch my drift

>>160712072
How rude.

>>160712174
Oh, were you the one who posted about the NES dev last thread? Or was that someone else?

>>160712243
someone else