/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Time to attack Lesimas again.

Do your orc followers level up if they wait on another floor?

>>160529973
they only get xp and blessings from beogh if they're hangin with you when you (or they) kill shit

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>>160529694
>You cast create food
No hunger now.
Only plenty.

>>160530042
This isn't funny anymore.

Today I learned molotovs don't do shit against turrets

>>160530193
Why would you expect them to do anything

DCSS irc is actually discussing to remove backgrounds and move to a point buy

>>160530193
Train zombies into the turrets and hang out till they bottom out their ammo then go fuck up the zombies and spam high grade arrows at it until it dies. Or just shoot it if you've already gotten a couple towns of ammo.

>>160530298
I thought that maybe if I threw several of them to make a big fire it would hurt the turret

>play summoner
>fifteen fucking orc priests on D:3
>finally end up with six on one screen and they oneshot me with max damage smites

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*record scratch*
*freeze frame*
see that guy right there? yep, that's me!

next thing that the devs will remove is the inability to learn a skill unless you have a weapon / know a spell that uses it. yeah, you'll be able to put skill points in necromancy without knowing a single necromancy skill.

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Still working on the freelancer-class. It is gonna be a hot mess.
Now working on making casting possible - I am probably gonna make it bookless class, because it will be easier to implement - a freebie, since the casting is weaker anyway ( plus I don't have to worry about spell slots and unlearning things when you quaff !new life ). Each realm has three levels of expertise ( effectiveness being (3+2*level) / 10) .

Before you ask, yeah, the hp-boost is broken. I accidentally wrote p_ptr->lev * 22 instead of p_ptr->lev * 2.

>>160530414
finally

>>160530702
that's a good change though

>>160530774
bookless casting? are you giving them a custom spell set or just "all the spells from X school but you don't have to carry/find books"

>>160530650
What was your first clue to leave the floor

>>160530702
Poor sh and ev against shit that can break your ac does that. Use temporal distortion or petrify and explode through the yaktaurs. Then try exploring in a more conenctected chunk and use corners more so shit is forced to wrap where you can use LRD indefinitely until that 1/3 of the floro aggros and dies.

>>160531023
22ev isnt poor

>>160530972
Akin to sorcerers, except limited to learned realms.

>>160531023
That I couldn't find a fucking downstair after three teleports.

>>160531205
oh so you mean "no spell slots", not "no books"
i get it

>grab a staff of speed from the barrow downs quest
Well, that was gladly unexpected.

Oh hey that dude was right. Shelob dropped my third book.
I guess it's a new thing for 5.0.2 or a bug.
Probably a bug.

>>160533301
It's not a bug anon.

You can potentially get spellbooks as drops from anything that drops "good" loot. Dungeon bosses tend to drop lots of loot and thus are a good source, but you can also get them from plenty of other uniques or lootsplosion monsters.

I have like 15 copies of my book 3 by this point

>>160533769
Are you saying it's just chance? Might be.

Nice lamp. All important stats are at 18 now.

>>160533928
that IS a nice lamp anon
the ancient foul curse may be worrying though

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>>160534070
Eh, it's not that bad.

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GIVE ME MORE AC

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>>160534201
we have the same phial name, anon!

too bad i'm not a ninja

>>160534303
CAN'T STOP THE ROCK

>>160534303
Nice EV, would be a shame if a spell hit you

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>tfw got all three level of Demonic Guardian by D:7

>this happens

A little much, don't you think?

>>160535725
420BLAZEIT

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>>160536034
>again

Seriously?

>>160536201
Major demon in every high tension mate. Smash dat MF t-w

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>NO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW A SPECIFIC COURSE

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It's Britney, bitch

Don't feel like going extended today so I'm going home

>>160537084
>no extended with those items

WHAT A WASTE

>>160537314
extended is tedius and boring, also AC doesnt help at all in it

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>>160537084

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It's just not the same.

>>160537564
>at all

My one wish is for /rlg/ to not be so constantly wanton and careless in their use of hyperbole and exaggeration.

>>160538665
It's basically a nonissue for anyone who has enchanted auxes and body

So now that bloatskin, phase bloat, and condensation bloat have been removed, what's the best support spell for improving defenses?

Ozo's armor or Cigotuvi's embrace?

>>160539275
as far as i've heard cigutovi's is worthless outside of zigs

What the fuck

Why can't I make clean water

It says I don't have water but I have bottles filled wiht it, an opened tin can to boil it in, and empty bottles to put it in

>>160539275
Orb of destruction is the best defensive spell. Shortly followed by Dragon's call, death channel, infestation simalacrum, animate skeleton, silence, deflect missiles,leda's liquefaction, metabolic en-glaciation, controlled blink, Yara's violent unravelling, disjunction, song of slaying, and amulet of harm

>>160540071
Is it night and your fire is going out?

>>160540071
there was another anon with the same problem earlier

i think it's an int overflow bug

>>160540528
It's night but my fire isn't going out

When I put water from the swamp in my bottles I realized that it was salt water, so I went to the river to get normal water, but I still can't make clean water

>>160540721
Are you playing the 0.c release or in-dev?

>>160540789
Experimental

>>160540663
I'll quit and then start the game again, maybe that will fix it

>browsing CDDA repository
>notice offhandedly that rivshit hasn't made or commented on any PRs in like a week
did coolthulu finally give cdda the chemo it needed?

>>160540913
Well I'm pretty sure they fixed the bug with it not seeing open containers if they're the same type. Bottles are rigid so you don't get the waterskin/stomach maxed your volume issue. Can you hold them and try again? Post screens of your craft page, inventory, and fire?

>>160541056
A week is nothing in github time

>drink all my water
>now I can make clean water even though there's none inside of my bottles
What the fuck

>>160541285
It's just in your stomach, bro. You're vomiting it up into the pot.

>>160541285
DDA devs, no sense of right or wrong

Throw me the best swords and magic game you got

>>160541889
>You'll never milk yourself for water to drink
DDA needs a CoC mod

>>160541927
Maidensnow Eve

>>160541285
Now that I think about it, I was in a swamp and there was water around, so maybe that's why I was able to craft clean water

But when I tried to put the water from the swamp inside bottles it was listed as salt water

I don't understand

>>160541927
Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup: Circus Animals

>>160542072
And it doesn't make sense that I wasn't able to make clean water the first time either, since I did have an empty bottle

Fucking DDA

>>160541927
Linley's Dungeon Crawl, made by Linley Henzell.

>>160540913
the bug happens if there are too many infinite water sources nearby

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Currently at the end of Hell's Armory as scoot on AoShotgun UV, and a cybernetic armor just dropped. I rarely play shottyhead scout, and am curious as to whether I should use the armor. Is the -30% movespeed too much of an issue in the long term? I also know the armor has weird rules with mods, but I'm unsure of what it means for a non tech.

Christ, I didn't know houses could be full of zombie children

There were more than ten inside it

>>160544272
Have you found a home improvement superstore yet? Don't open the doors until you're ready for some shit.

>>160544937
>tfw one of my first major splats was a home depot with like 15 actual hulks
Love those schools and megastores with a green tide spilling out.

>>160544937
Not yet

But if I ever think about going there, the weapons I found in the lab might be useful

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It could have been great.

What's some good music to listen while playing soup?

>>160546416
Boilinh soup

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>>160530042
Watch it, Tummy!

>>160539275
>>160539386
Can confirm.

Cigotuvi's wasn't even worthwhile with Kiku. You get a decent amount of AC if you use two deliveries, but it means fuck all when your armour doesn't even last two dozen turns.

How do people deal with the slime rune
Holy shit that fight for it is such a shitfest

Not even a gift from Trog Daddy

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>>160549217

>vinestalker have to get XL4 to regenerate
wtf why

>>160549167
Fight TRJ in a corridor that way his slimes wont overwhelm you after he dies

>>160549167
Slime rune is EZPZ.

Buff, then fight him in the corridors and/or use immolation scrolls to cheese his posse. The only thing you have to worry about are giant eyeballs.

>>160549632
his slimes won't overwhelm you until he dies*

As an ogre how am I supposed to have any meaningful kind of defense if I'm bad at training dodge and can't wear much armor?

>>160550547
you train dodge anyways and you wear troll leather and eventually dragon armor

your AC/EV will still be lower than other races but your HP is much higher

>>160550360
>use immo
>the entire fucking floor comes at you now

>>160549167
Pack bolt wands
Poorly clear the floor. Read noise or shout a lot in the center to bring TRJ back in
Get rF++/+. !resistance if you want. Buff up if you got a lot of them. Zap to cause some splittage and beat/zap the jelly a couple times. When he moves behind his splits or you have 8 around him read immo and explode him.

>>160550547
Like >>160550752 said plus stop playing like an insanely OP tabtaur. Spend a lot more time playing humans and demigods to hone your threat assessment. It's rough at first then you realize you're not 80% better at crawl

>>160550939
Have you even done slime ever? How can you honestly have made that post.

>it's a "you sometimes gain a little power by taking damage" episode

>>160553321
>not liking perma might

>>160551251

They would really come to you all at once since the slime walls were removed. And after killing TRJ assuming you didn't die from explosions even with rf3+acid spits, you'd deal with the whole floor next.

So should I play MiBe first or demigods/humans to learn how the mechanics of the game work?

Also is it possible to play the game and extended with melee only or am I gonna need to spec into magic at least a little?

>>160553652
You clear the floor first

>>160553784
start with MiFi or HoFi not Bes

>>160529694
I don't understand this meme, as long as you don't use autoexplore and are midly efficient with the way you move you'll end up with way morr food than you need by the midgame. The hunger clock should be made tighter in my opinion.

>>160553519
>getting hit

>tabbing through endless enemies with 0 fighting and 0 weapon skill

Is Ossuary the most comfy portal type? Though to be honest this +0 Whip of Electricity is probably helping me out.

>>160553784
Mi/HO's let you experience more of the game faster and help you avoid the oh god I'm shit and I'm mad cause bad disease. But they give you bad habits in the form of just autoattacking everything until it kills you
Hu/Dg's force you to learn to fight smart and skill efficiency cause otherwise it killed you. But that can be frustrating and unfun to find out the qualities of new enemies with your face.

Definitely. There's no real reason to not learn repel missiles and regeneration and arguably aura of abjuration/shadow creatures though

>>160554570

Wait until you encounter a bog body ossuary or the triangle one filled with 1x1 corridors where a Hasted Menaukure is endlessly casting torment on you while he's blocked by a mummy

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>>160549167
Skirt around the edges first, picking off stray slimes/eyes/jellies (you trained stealth, right?), then go to the center and say hello.
Then buff up, read ?Summoning/summon bros/demons to give you some breathing room, and beat it up in melee.
If you didn't train stealth, just start with step 2.

If you have a good ranged weapon or conjurations, using immolation while hasted is incredibly effective.

>>160554249
Agreed. I starved in Brogue once, right when I was learning.

Now I usually have to throw away food to make space for important stuff.

>>160554249
I think I use gas traps too much when my floor drops aren't great and I probably make poor enchant choices. Poison or conjuring runs are an exercise in hunger

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>>160542971
pls respond, don't wanna fault over picking up cursed armor.

>>160555331
Doomrl players are pretty rare. You're best off believing in the heart of the shotgun so you know next time if you can't find out from google or the wiki thing with a ll the badges

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Are there any roguelikes as immersive as IA?
Not necessarily looking for more spooky stuff specifically, just a rogue I can lose myself in and don't have to meta-game.

>>160555542
Nope.

>>160554052

Eats turncount. You'd also get mutated hard if there's an unlucky pink eye/s among them

>>160555670
Since you are complaining about malmutate, you're clearly too bad of a player to be complaining about turncount-decreasing activities.

Try to keep it consistent next time.

>>160555542
Nope. It's all we have in this cold cruel world and IA Dev-kun being on this earth is proof of a benevolent and kind god.

>>160555670
>Get ten points, a pittance by this point, in hand crossbow or some rinky dink spell and just kill it

>>160555331
It has solid resistances to bullet, shrapnel, and melee, but nothing against fire or plasma, which is typically what late-game enemies use. -30% movement isn't too bad, but the main thing about cybernetic armor is that you can't take it off. If you're able to assemble a good suit of armor on top of it, it can be decent, but wearing it with no mods usually isn't the best choice because you never know if you'll get a better option, and even if you do, once you've put on the cybernetic armor you're committing to that armor for the rest of the run.

>>160555821

There are several safer and faster options than immo'ing. This is assuming that your dps is too bad to kill TRJ in one-three hits and you get unlucky drops of no rF but of course you won't know this since your 2 (two) int MiBrain is only capable as much.

>>160554586
Thanks, I don't generally get frustrated at losing a lot so I'll probably go DgFi.

Are shields worth it or is it better to go 2h?

If shields are worth it how do I into them?

>>160555848
>>160555652
FUCK
Guess I need to learn code

>>160556091
Watch out! There's enemies on the floor!

>>160556091
>there are better ways
>but im not going to mention them

>>160555848
If you can shoot at it then it has line of sight to you and you already lost

>>160556091
Lmao.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHZ4UDhhtzQ

>>160556435
just use firestorm

TRJs spawn jelly only has a range of 2 and still needs free spaces, so fighting him in the corridor means you only get aound 5 enemy slimes instead of 24

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>>160555487
Wiki wasn't particularly clear on what it meant by the armor being "fully moddable" by technicians, and fair enough.

>>160555880
Thanks, I wasn't sure how to judge it without mods since I rarely ever see it. I guess I'll just store it in my backpack until it seems like no good armor is going to drop.

What exactly is airstrikes max damage

>>160556167
Basically, long blades are for riposte, a 33% to do a retaliatory attack. Axes have cleave. The maces of M&F have higher base damage. Polearms have reach. 2H lets you kill faster but costs more skill, is slower, and is more inaccurate before you get your skill up. 1H&Shield prevents you from easily using 2H launchers like a longbow or triple crossbow and has more trouble breaking AC, especially if you don't get +slaying gear, but the shield adds immense consistency in most fights where it's effective.

AC soaks damage but often penalizes your EV which can make it insufficient against high damage low acc enemies that just rip chunks out of you turn after turn. EV lets you evade including bolt spells but when something's accurate enough to hit you get thrashed when you lose 40% of your hp twice in 4 tabs, Large races also have a penalty to EV. Shield lets you block melee, projectiles and projectile spells but it's effectiveness is reduced by each block per turn and doesn't help vs bolt spells, Large races have a reduction in req skill. Fighting provides accuracy damage and hp but that can be rapidly chewed up if your other defenses are poor. If you're casting or have lower stats you're avoid heavy armor in most cases. Past that it's species size, stat spread, god choice, and aptitude values. Generally you want two to provide a fairly effective compromise.

>>160557178
106.5 vs a flier. Basically a ranged holy triple sword.

>>160555331
OPM roguelike when

>>160557609
>but it's effectiveness is reduced by each block per turn
wtf really

Should you use a large shield at 15 skill on a normal species if you want one or stick with a normal shield

>>160558586

normal shield since it'll kill your casting success rates

>>160558182
Yeah. you're still sturdy as fuck though

>>160558586
Sure and get more shield skill? The speed penalty isn't too bad if you're already at or near min delay and it blocks more than it stops your attack

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>>160556853
Time for me to die I think.

Why are 1h axes so ass

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>when you recall to the wrong neighborhood

>>160558985
Cause You can hit 8 things a turn while being nigh invulnerable with the power of shields, armor, and decent ev on a tabtaur? Get more str gear, axes and fighting skill and slaying. You can cast infustion, song of slaying or evoke/invoke zerk

>>160559159
I think I've read this doujin before...

>>160559159
Wtf is with that text spam

I've noticed something about crawl player tiles aka dolls.
They're all female. Take off your starting armo(u)r and they all have boobs and a bra.
Why is that?

>>160559494
>>160559159
I remember zapping a stack of like 7 lightning ball wands while screaming externally cause phase door wasn't always keeping me away from grendel. I miss when wands stacked.... 34 charge id staves and 5 charge rockets wasn't worth it

>>160559159
Look at it this way anon: only 1/5 of them are awake.

>>160559595
Vampire on D:7. Not even an OOD spawn. Just there naturally.

This is just fucking absurd.

>>160560348
Vampire is in d:9, not d:7.
also death knight on d:9

>>160559159
jealous of all that freexp

>>160560348
>>160560442
minmay vaults
most fun is still spectral warriors and skeleton warriors guarding the lair entrance

>>160559595
@ is always female if you believe, anon.

>>160560515
>>160560515
I didn't find a vault on that floor.

>>160559595
formicid, dwarves, ghouls, trolls, ogre are all male

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>>160559535
It is part of the poschengband experience.

Just picked up the "remove orc" spell at level 29.

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>>160560568
How wrong you are.

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>>160560895
>Formicid is male
Ants don't have breasts, and tend to be female anon.

>>160562065
>ants tend to be female
what

What is the current state of DDA like
Have we received a release besides 0.C?

>>160562579
Basically, even more of a hot mess as KG has a kid now and he can't run tard wrangler.exe as much

No. You gotta play the in-development version for the metric ass ton of new content. Many changes are spoilery bullshit and there's nothing even remotely resembling an accurate changelog or even descriptive PR names

>>160562373
do you know literally nothing about ants

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Playing TOME for the first time on android
just killed a drunk and made him into a totem, then a pet, then a companion
is summoner fun?
And should I be as amused by this as I am?

>>160562579
>Have we received a release besides 0.C?
No, and I wouldn't expect one soon either.

>>160562981
All she knows is casting explosion, take a guess

>>160563051
>2 (two) int tummyposter

>>160562878
>KG
>The man behind such trash as filth and vitamins
>A tard wrangler
He's but one of the tards, anon.

>>160563418
Even the greatest men have moments of blindness,

What are the alternatives for immo against TRJ

>>160562579
It's still DDA. You either love it or hate it and you already know the answer to that question.

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>Buy 10 tele scrolls
>shit goes down in floor 7-8, use 7 scrolls
>decide to enter 9 with 3 scrolls like a real 3 INT man instead of resupplying
>get fucked, bad teleport next to a fucking hippogryph and friends
>teleport to a rape room
>teleport to another rape room
I only have myself to blame but I swear my luck with teleports keeps getting worse.

>>160563986
Firestorm.
If you're not 100-0ing TRJ in <21 auts, you're doing it wrong.

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>>160564046
Usually it's cure critical wounds and getting confused for me.

Or the old recall back to town, save, forget to buy more things when resuming.

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the stupidest things will make me laugh these days

>>160563664
Dude, you've never interacted with Kevin. Not only is he an asshole, but he's one of the most dedicated of the realism fags.

>>160562878
Never in my life would I have thought to see someone defending Kevin fucking Granade on /rlg/.

He has to be the worst rl dev.
Worse than Biskup, Lasty, or the TGGW guy.

>>160565919
I'm just going to hope anon is telling a joke or mixed him up with Coolthulhu or something.

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Wat do rlg? Just used a tp scroll right to pic related.

>>160567460
Haste, Tele, Ambrosia I guess.
You're probably dead though (what the fuck, anon?)

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The page 10 hits!
It burns you terribly!

>>160569829
Everyone's too busy playing pokemon.

>>160570170
What about the pog mans? gen whatever finally drop and that's what we're losing them to?

>>160570170
I doubt there's that much overlap between /rlg/ and Pokemon players.

>>160571130
Can't speak for the others but when I splat too much in Sil I just go dig through my boxes and do gimmick or theme shit in ORAS or boot up a platinum rom for a monotype/rand starters and grass run for a while. Fucking 20 years and still 1 save slot jesus christ

>>160571424
I'm playing it right now.

>>160571460
Meant for >>160571130 but whatever.

>>160571130
they are turn-based games for autists, are they not?
just a different flavor of autist

>>160571424
Jesus, my dude.

>>160571460
>>160571424
I'm not saying there's absolutely no overlap, of course some people here do play Pokemon when it's as large as it is.
But I'm saying that the overlap in /rlg/ isn't as high as I'd expect from some other generals, like /llsifg/, /eog/, /dg/, /hgg/, and that's just a few examples.
You see?

>>160530042
>nobody noticing the exposed parts

What font do you all use for your rogueliking? I've been using Robot Mono recently and it seems pretty comfy.

>>160572814
Deja Vu Sans mono, just because it has good unicode plane representation.

>>160572616

Pardon me from asking but is this your first time seeing an anime vagina?

>>160572616
All I can see is that the thumbnail has no arms.

>>160573605
Blue board my man.

I wonder what would have happened if she had a horse vagina.

>>160574365
>loli with horse vagina
Time to find those images

>>160570170
>pokermen
What, did a new generation roll out or something
I remember when there were just 151 pokeymen
Now they literally added the Pokemon that created the universe or some shit and you can capture it
What's the next catch, life and death porkymon? The concept of freedom? Free jazz?

>>160574849
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Generation_VII
It's been 20 years man

>>160574849
>life and death pokemon
Why did pokemon have to be a kids game

>>160575090
Listen, if Cubone can be in the game anything can.
Dude's literally wearing the skull of his own mother as a protective mask, for fuck's sake.

Fuck it, I'm compiling the new pseudo for clone wands.
PCB just feels so slow without the conga.

>>160575905
>yet no gloves of the pharaoh's fist
>no shield of the true pharaoh
Crawl is suffering.

Trip over a get and kill yourself.

>>160576862
>not "get a filter so I can kill you"
Wasted opportunity.
Anyway since we're speaking of Pokemon I found that I have a card that's worth 75$. That's really nothing. I hoped that as time went on 20 year old rares would get to mox-tier prices.

Is there any point in hoarding equipment/stuff in stone soup?

>>160577286
Not really. I usually just dump stuff wherever. Every few games I will get autistic and put all my stuff in a huge pile and really rack up the turncount going back there, but usually I don't bother.

>>160577286

Stone Soup?

remember when "stone soup" part was actually relevant?

>>160577286
When dig was a spell, it used to be that you could go to Lair 1 and make a cool private Lair "house" with all your neat loot if you got the right kind of layout for it.

Then the devil's team took it all away, of course.

>>160574365
Then she'd be a centaur or satyr or something.

>>160575090
>>160574849
The Pokemon of Life and Death are the box legendaries for Gen VI.

Latest one (Gen VII)'s legendaries are four hawaiian totems, a bunch of space aliens, two zoids, and a robotic waifu.

>>160578707

>dig spell

must be quite the heaven back then for people to allow such blatant scummy spells to exist

>>160578773
But have they added a ghost/steel type with levitate yet?

>>160579278
is that a vp meme?

>>160579441
And I had forgot that place existed.
No, it's just the most amount of resists/immunities on a pokemon I can think of.
Been waiting for it since I was 6.

>>160579539
>since I was 6
When I was six Pokemon wasn't even a thing. Let alone steel or ghost type.

>>160579703
Then you missed out.

>>160579793
How come? That doesn't mean I didn't play Pokemon games when they eventually came out. I lost interest after gen 3 though.

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>it's an I've let 18.1 iron giants spawn too much in Dis:7 episode

>>160572814
Windings.

Tummies!

>>160577286
nope. Just CTRL+F

What are some good stuff to smith at the 100ft forge in Sil? Im a Nogord dorf

>>160583942
Three of: +2 forgegloves; sprintboots; +2 evasion buckler; +1 grace crown. Typically the first three.

Do you regenerate a whole lot of hp per turn when you're worshiping Chei WHILE walking than when you're standing still/resting? I've been observing this lately especially now that I've tried playing a Naga.

>>160585863
>not changing your clock to Christmas and scumming for smithygloves
Baka desu senpai

>>160586258
No. They special cased it specifically so it doesn't do that. Same with stealth checks

>>160578773
>they actually made the Pokemon of of life, death and the Pokemon that created the universe
Great now we're only missing free jazz.
>here take this Hawaiian mask pokemon or something
>I know we just gave you the dude who made the whole universe what the hell do you want now
>leave us alone
>actually give us more money

Capitalism!

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>>160583942
Oh nice, first time I find Orodruth and it's on a smithing character!

>>160587457
Hot damn. Do you have artifice and leftover exp?

>>160587629
I already have artifice, Im clearing the level now to get some more xp

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Tomb as third rune was weird.

>>160587457
Choosing what to make will take a long time.

ive died 4 times in the span of an hour trying to start a kobold arcane marksman.. how is this even possible

>>160589485
ur just bad lol

>>160589703

i am not bad! its the games fault

>>160589864

This is correct

>>160589485
Focus on either confusion or xbows and fighting assisted randarts to conserve bolts. You don't have the apts to play an AM out of the box.

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>Playing a stabber
>Need sustain gear
>Free action is non-negotiable thanks to entrance users later
>Need a shield so I don't explode when running from cat assassins
>Need banes for fear juggling once my cover is blown
>Need a high dice for AC cracking
>Need light staff for the oncoming storm of darkness fags
>Need belegost so I don't slowly starve to death over like 90,000 turns after getting earthquaked by a kemrakuo
I love sil's gameplay but hate the inventory so much

>>160590670
Just play a normal melee dude with finesse and get stealth when you're already deep in the dungeon

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>>160587457
Go little dorf, you can do it. I wish I had more herbs of resto to smith some cool stuff.

>>160560515
I lost my streak to a D:1 Adder at ~300 turns earlier. Adders don't normally spawn on D:1 until 700 something turns.

It was a minmay vault that placed it manually.

>get unrandart Hat of the Bear Spirit
>Ds horn mutation reaches level 3

This has been a mostly underwhelming assortment of mutations so far. I better at least get Augmentation out of this.

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>>160587457
>orodruth on a smithing character
There is always hope.

What's the smithing bonus on that? +5 or +3?
Did you smith something cool?

>>160596004
+7 I think
I ended up making a loremaster + true sight dwarf mask

Turns out you can just clone pseudo with a single line of code and get all the newest changes!
Which is good.

Any tips for DDNe, or just a general build order? looking to go beyond o-tabbing

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>Freelancer can now cast spells from realms they learned
Yay
>Learned realms ids are all wrong
oh.

Also, I gotta think how the tiers of learning actually do. Reduce spellpower, limit max spell level to ( 30+10*level_of_realm ) or something...

Can't shake that the dude on the right looks like Anthony Bourdain

>>160599047
Looks more like anthony burch to me

So, what are core content packs in DDA

>>160598881
Play a HONe of Kiku.You can run heavy into necromancy and limp by on some 1.0 delay axes, spells castable shield, and fighting acc and pseudo-defense allowing you to use 3 classes of randarts to limp by as you pull together. Later on get charms up for haste and song of slaying. You're a pretty obscene necromancy flavored skald overwhelming the foe with semi-durable summons.

>>160599047
Dude holy shit.

>>160599398
>limp by
>scrape by
>pull together
>charms for REMOVED
>song of slaying late game
semi-durable

Wow sounds fun

>>160600792
>HO
>scrape by
anon, you were the badplayer all along

>>160600792
Just play 0.18 then. It's something when anything you kill immediately makes 2 allies, you can reanimate or rot any corpses on screen in a rolling battle, and you can go into a vault with hasted cold branded simalcrums and skeletons from kiku. You're absurdly strong overall but you're more synergistic than an o-tabber. Everything's already shouting and exploding you. +9 slaying just makes it easier for you.

>be playing tome4
>be playing Antimagic
>be trying to level up Spellhunt Remnants
>cant destroy any magic items

They're at tier one STILL, what gives???

>mansion near fungal tower
What's the worst that could happen

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>Even with cloning I still can't find PCB fun after level 30
It's a queer thing.
I mean I did get to level 50 and I grabbed some serious loot, but now I don't see the point.
Maybe it never was that fun of a game.

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>Everything looks so cosmic now!

>>160588273
>ascending with 3 runes
>while wearing
>hat
>of
>the
>15
>(fifteen)
>runes
>(runes)

>>160602084
you're using it on artifacts, right?

>>160602891
Nope because I'm an idiot who didn't realise it had to be yellows. Carry on

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Does anyone have an updated version of this image that takes the two new gods into account? Was there ever one for weapon types?

>>160599297
generic guns

>>160602361
Only kill fungals with reach attacks and never adj. Wear protective clothing with environmental protection so you don't get a fungal infection and die. royal jelly is iffy until midgame and antifungals are semi-rare and a 5 cooking book locked recipe. Make sure to clean up around the outside of the mansion before you sleep or you can easily get 40-50 fungals while you sleep. and that can snowball exponentially over multiple days until basically you just have to leave.

>>160602492
>Datura is like a day and a half long +20 speed that's unlimtied when you're early, poor and weak.
>tfw settle in turn on your mp3 player and eat 3 special brownies 3 hallucinogenic mushroom, quff 2 20 morale mixed drinks, eat a bunch of junk, and smoke a joint after reading 3 +4 morale books 3 times each then huff your oxygen tank 3 times before going nuts
It's great gettingso much out of a day of bonking Z's

>>160603384
that image is a poor comparison, you should query sequell in ##crawl to compare winrates between gods

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>>160603384

>>160603384
>gozag not s tier late game
you literally buy the oofs

hh-i guyhrg. I logged in to say hni'm dknikng DRINKING again. ts' Saturday after elall.

>>160603925
congrats poland-kun

>>160603808

winrates often are skewed because of player skill

minotaur is one of the lowest winrate races because of new players all picking mibe

>>160603925
Your liver is own faulting. Don't talk to my thread or my thread's MiBe again until you ascend a lazy snotling tourist in Poschengband.

Fuck you Okawaru! It's not my fault I chose an Orcish God over a placeholder. I hope I don't die

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>>160604465

>>160604465
>joining a god that you're going to abandon before D:9
for what purpose

>>160604602
what are you even doing abandoning the god of war
what do you think a diety's wrath tastes like
what did you think was going to happen
what are you even

>>160604702
>>160604759
Mistakes were made

>>160604759
>diet
well it doesnt taste very good, i know that much

Ok so I think I know what's wrong with security bots in lab finales

Zombies spawn in the same room as them and they waste all their ammo shooting at them, so when you find them they don't have ammo and they can't attack you

fuuuuuuuck

Faggot Lord kept sending homos after me and I ran out of escapes

>>160605540
hot :3

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>>160605540

>>160605801
Don't cheat on your waifu next time you bitch nigga

>>160605428
>they can't attack you
The only time I've had this situation is with armored zombies. Otherwise the robots have plenty of ammo to kill some zombie scientists and then you.

>>160606258
Well then why don't they attack me

skitterbots and manhacks attack me as soon as they see me, but security bots don't do shit

>>160603384
>>160603852
>Qazlal in E for extended
What. While noise is absolutely a big drawback, it can be dealt with. Considering you get clouds and beastly smite-targeted invocations.. And looking at 0.19 notes, complete cloud immunity?

Personally C or B tier, since I find him more useable than Trog in end game. Definitely better than any D tier god.

>>160606403
do you have the sheriff badge

>>160606665
No

Remember when you'd find a crossbow/shotgun trapped cache of items and it'd be a christmas of loot? I miss that

>>160606794
Oh yeah. That was super weird.
Was that a remnant of the whales-era cata? It was basically free loot even without traps skill since you could simply transfer it with the advanced inventory system.

>>160607032
Yeah. With wrecks and traps it could block the road off. I really miss being able to make a lot of shotgun traps.

I don't get the appeal of DDA when dorf fort is a thing
it's just a mess

>>160607487
Fortress mode is hard

Adventure mode is cool

>>160607487
I want to get into Dorf but it's too impersonal and automated for my liking.

Also I like postapoc settings better than fantasy.

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>Been forging weapons, armor, and assembling my ride for 3 fucking years now reeeeeeeeeee
Set me free you piece of shit.

>>160608941
what the fuck
go hotwire an RV and stick a welding tool in it, congrats u have top tier survivor vehicle for 0 effort

oh yeah and put curtains over the back windows

>Keep dying as a transmuter of Chei

Is it Chei, or is it me?

>>160607487
What killed DF for me was immigration waves. I like the familiarity I build with my dwarves and then suddenly getting 17 cheese makers all at once just crushed that. I care about my starting seven, I care about the first few dwarves who showed up even. But it just grows too much too fast and dilutes the experience for me. Dwarf Therapist was a big help in just setting migrants to generic unskilled labor and honestly I didn't mind needing an extra app just the play the game. But it wasn't enough help.

The thing is, I still want immigration. I want to grow my industries and military and have a thriving community. But having it spread out more would be actually palatable to me.

Last I played there was an init option to cap the max number of immigrants per wave but unfortunately the first two waves were hard-coded and basically doubled my fort's population each time. Just wasn't fun for me.

>>160609203
BILD WAL

>>160607487
Adventure Mode isn't fleshed out enough yet to really be a full game.

Sadly Toady seems more interested in going to cons than actually making his game now.

>>160609086
Didn't have one so I've been refitting a survivor truck. 7x9 storage and craft trailer is a fucking terrible time sink and apparently you don't get experience for repairs and installation anymore so you don't get a runaway mechanics skill that helps you. DDA gets more fucking retarded everytime I update cause I'm sick of some broken thing or a new craft

>>160609203
Build familiarity with key dwarves and don't get attached to the scrubs and haulers that are gonna get blunt cucked in an invasion instead?

>>160609247
Yeah actually I've seen plans for a sort of airlock design where you let the immigrants mingle/toil/die outside the gate to your fort and let in anyone worthwhile. Looks workable but kind of like a headache. I should give it a try sometime.

>>160609365
the solution to "i don't have a good car" is to go into a city and GET one rather than spending MULTIPLE IN-GAME-YEARS welding one together, jesus christ

>>160609518
And then I have to rip the shitty cab off and essentially weld a survivor truck on the front. It's happening either way

>>160609518
Truth. Hobby cars are built for fun, not for mid-level utility.

>>160609518
I probably lost half a year to tool crafting too. I'm still pissed that I failed a level 6 fabrication 3 times with fab at 7 and it was a 7.5 hour recipe. Fucking christ devs neck yourselves.

>>160609719
More experience without cluttering your crafting space with stuff you don't need. I fail to see the downside.

>>160610060
It's been adding up across the board to the point of absurdity. If i'm reading this right, mugling basically nuked mechanics gain across the board too. Fucking christ.

>>160610294
I mean, it's pretty ridiculous that people in this thread act like 20 mechanics is just bog standard no effort.

>death knight in d:9
>lair in d:10
WHO DID THIS

>tfw level 43 and still carrying 2 rods of detection
the only ones i've found with >3 charges have been cursed

>>160610618
The system was fine in the context it was used. It's 4 fucking hours now to put in 1 tile of heavy frame. That's 4+ fucking days The majority of mechanics are levels 1-4 with the highest practical being mil plating at 6 and effectively capping you at 10 by the time you rustle up a quantum panel. Axels aren't scaled to work with that. Engine scaling isn't. Fucking retard jacks mean you're basically shit out of luck on tires unless you rip the whole thing apart and put it back together again despite a lot of things you should be able to do to address it. You can't load up with lights because of zombie penetration and force propagation in impacts. There was a point where simulation needed to fuck off and it was a long way back. It's just pointless busywork that takes the player out of the gameplay.

>>160611290
4+ days just for the shell of a cab and the front bumper.

>>160609203
I didn't know Trump played roguelikes.

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it may have been nerfed but confusing lights is still the most fun staff in game

>tfw an ancient and powerful ice demon runs in fear because you shined a magic flashlight in his eyes

>>160530414
so spellcasters are going to be shit since spellbooks will cost a ton
trog will probably cost a lot too
i'm gonna put all my points into int just like dda

Is Chei the most optimal god for a DrTm?

I feel like there's got to be a better option than someone who will kill me in 3 turns if I'm not careful

>>160612156
If something kills you in 3 turns you skilled very poorly or you need to pick your face up off the tab

>>160612156
>most optimal
depends on whether you're a korean 15runefag or a western winstreakfag

chei is good for the former but bad for the latter

>recall to dragon's lair
>maybe find some low level dragons to blast
>recall out when there's something tough
There's got to be a better way to level up around 35, right?

Do draconians get any bonus to dragon call?

>>160613225
Nay

>>160613134
Do your quests and keep moving deeper in the other dungeons?

>>160613134
>dragon's lair
how did you get past the 'lisk
aint you afraid of oneshots anon

anyways if you have lev you can just run around in overworld mountains looking for ancient Ds

look out for great crystal drakes though; they're apparently invisible

>>160613134
>>160613714
or you could just find yourself a bunch of stealth and sneak past the big guys

>>160604065
so exclude !greaterplayers from your query

>>160613714
>how did you get past the 'lisk
Teleport other

>aint you afraid of oneshots anon
I think I can take one round of everything but a chaos breath, and the alternative is what, grinding for literally ever at lonely mountain: 40?

>>160614034
Yeah, I have +11 stealth on to get up to superb Mistakes were made with my character choices.

Though I just got +3 speed on a sling of buckland so maybe going from +2 to +5 will be enough to let me kill things.

>>160612926
chei isn't even most optimal for koreaplay, their meta is shockingly similar to 5 years behind western meta

it's no surprise that their play is developing similarly considering they got their translations years later

>>160614723
>Teleport other
>against a tele resistant mob that can instagib with a single breath
You are either very lucky or very brave, anon.
Or very dumb.

It's probably a mix of the three.

>>160611858
Are status effect staves/wands actually useful outside the early game? Or is it mainly a matter of having ultra-high device skill?

does anyone have a chart of armor necessary for each armor type? I'm doing HoNe and I'm wondering which level of armor I need for each class. Also, should I go the classic ring > mottled?

Trying something different.
Ranger sounds like a good class. Starts with books of nature so I can get the free healing, but plays like a warrior with good devices apts and is good with bows.

Goddamnit it's just another melee dude that will end up spamming rockets against the serpent.
Back to monks.

>Takes a half hour to pull a steel frame off at 7 mechanics
>Can book to 8 mechanics and after you get mem banks craft shit for 9. Maybe 10 then craft/disassemble mininukes to 12ish
>Go bully a wreckage with a 2x4
>Hoover up the lumps
>Just smith steel frames at 8 minutes a pop
>Cargo space them over
I need alcohol...

>>160615679
There's a spreadsheet in the wiki. You don't need to autistically minmax though. If your success rates and EV have an unacceptable difference after you take it off just get more skill.

>>160614936
As long as you have a potion of speed and enough hp and resist to take a breath, you can just try until it works and teleport if it breathes.

>>160615679
get steam dragon armour, mottled is too heavy
or get troll leather

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Soon I shall be done with this piece of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkDbIqzlPNE

>>160615000
confusing lights is only good because it attempts to apply every status at once (including stun which you can't get from other staves), and each one makes a separate roll

most of the status devices aren't worth carrying past early-mid because of the number of resisters -- probably more than half the game resists sleep and confuse
but if you have _confusing lights for stun, you get free bonus confuses on shit that is actually vulnerable for it

>>160616839
>mana regen doesnt have a :)
:<

I can't believe there are no Final Fantasy roguelikes

>>160618414
copyright

>>160618414
Chocobo Mystery Dungeon

>>160615000
stun is a great and non-so-commonly resisted status though, so devices that stun like water/ice are good

plasma doesnt stun for some reason tho

>>160618641
Doesn't stop people too much, though.

Playing other classes than moving melee fortresses is hard in dungeon crawl.

>>160619301
mephitic cloud
conjure flame
sticky flame
throw icicle
stone arrow
lightning bolt
IMB

any of these can get you to Lair 8

>>160619998
>Lair:8
:^)

>>160620326
I don't play inferior versions

>>160618653
Are they really? I'm playing a warlock, which is probably the most stun-focused class and it's not exactly reliable to work.

In my case it doesn't matter much since I don't have anything better to do, but a wand of water bolt might as well be skipping your turn damagewise past like level 25.

>>160615679
there are a lot of ways to build HONe, it depends. you probably want FDA

I got a +6 demon trident of freezing. Should I stick with freezing or try re-branding it?

Playing a Mf Fi of Ash

Do I take Summon Horrible Things, Summon Greater/Lesser Demon, or just hold out for dergen cerl?

>>160623031
The only time you should ever "save" spell slots in DCSS is with Vehumet's retarded gifting mechanic. AFAIK he doesn't gift any of those spells either.
Unless you are buying a book, in which case:
Be more specific.
Get XXX.

>>160623031
XXX is better than demons

>Start up Elona
>very first thing I do is eat a human corpse
>mutate to like eating people
>go to nearest town
>apparently I have a pet little girl
>she's an absolute combat monster who regularly oneshots enemies

This is an interesting game.

>doing bailey as a venom mage

Feels good man

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Apparently if you fight bull gates in a hallway, there might be so many traps that the game refuses to drop his items.

>>160623919
Venom mage is dank. Go vehumet for max los parrows and rape everyone with your resistable lcs(poison)

>>160620541
different stuns have different formulas and different chances to stick
Warlock's might just be bad

water bolt or sound stun is damage-dependent so it's unreliable when the device no longer does good damage, but ice bolt, throw rock, or confusing lights are just checks against the monster's level

>>160624202

I already went dancer god, seems pretty bad but not going to start changing now.

>>160623956
yeah items and traps can't co-exist for some reason

annoying on burglary rogue trying to set up trapfields because you have to move all the items on the ground

>>160624451
it's really good for melee, probably not for venom mage

>>160624451
Anon there are only three caster gods in the game, vehumet, sif muna, gozag, and kiku.

>>160624564
ash, chei, dith, ru are also good for heavy magic users. most of the other gods are also usable but not as directly helpful

>>160622786
stick with, freezing is a nice mod and you're inevitably going to get something worse

>>160624564
Nice meme you fucking pile of rodent feces.

>try the MuMo challenge for laffs
>Cloak, boots, gloves, and a large shield by floor 2
>die trying to 1v1 Robin for her hat

I am unworthy