/rlg/ - Roguelike General

what is PCB short for?

>>160698654
Penis Combustion Blunder

>>160698280
DCSS tourney is over.
Congrats to M.W.A for stealing an incredibly mediocre 31st place.
Special honours to Lemonizer for actually getting a decent t score, AAAAA for splatting 202 OpWr to finally get a win, Hanibal for audaciously fighting a door vault in Dis:7 while starving and unhasted, and TheAlmightyOne and Josefromcouch for realizing DCSS bores them and not playing much at all!
Let's do our best again next year!
がんばってくたさい/rlg/!!!

>>160698654
[P]olish-Lithuanian [C]ommonwealth [B]ingedrinking

Whats better a +9 Triple/exec/greatmace with no brand or a +0 with damage brand

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>>160698654
PozCuminButt. It's what the game is doing to your life while you waste 200 hours of i for that first win.

>>160699346
There's fight simulator in wizard mode, get cracking cause there's a lot to combat

>>160699346
These questions are better answered by just fightsimming it.

>>160699346
if you don't have a brand weapon scroll yet then you're probably at mid to lower level, in which case your lowish skills don't give the weapon a ton of extra damage and +9 accuracy is very nice. fsim to know for sure

Can you accidentally kill your pet in elonaplus, say for example with magic?

>>160699925
yea
but you can pay a bartender to bring them back from the dead

>>160700040
Does that work also in the game mode where you got only one life?

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>bards in the orc camp quest
They seem similar to hex mages in that they get a bunch of spells that would be cool if you could actually melee (current damage: 6 per round, a whole 11 if they don't resist cold), but their offensive spells are at least decent for now.

>>160698986
>た
(た)ではなく(だ)ですよ先輩
あと次から漢字を使って頑張って下さいと書いてくれ
平仮名で書くのは許されるのは小学生までだよ先輩
ちんちょんぐ

Is there a list of what samurai skills do in pcb somewhere? Nothing in the old wiki and the game won't tell me shit.

>>160700206
i think you will spend a lot of time meleeing with some crappy music in the background in the mid-late game, although eventually you get a 300ish damage sound ball to blast nerds with.

one of the spells in your fourth book is literally just "haste and heroism, AT THE SAME TIME !!!1!"

it would be okay but not amazing on a hex mage (you probably already have a staff of speed by the time you're killing Null), but it's terrible on a bard because you can only have one song up at once

Guys, I suck dick with Blue Baby and I'm trying to beat Isaac on hard but I can barely get past mom.

I'm sick of resetting twenty times to get one item room and it having a shit item constantly.

Is there a way for me to make it so better items spawn more often, the spawn rate of item rooms in your first room be the same or higher as in normal mode, or at least give me something good to start with that won't disable achievements so I can still unlock things?

>>160700721
>old wiki
literally who?

https://nikheizen.github.io/pages/spellbooks.html#Burglary

>>160700905
this is not our place, friend

>>160700906
I've been using this
https://code.google.com/archive/p/chengband/wikis

Thanks for that link!

>so many good games to play
>can't pick one
>do nothing and slowly rot while thinking how good it would feel to play a game

>>160701171
there's some other stuff at https://nikheizen.github.io/ too

>>160700721
You can also peek in the code, too. Spoilery, but hey, that's what you are asking.
https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/master/src/samurai.c

>>160701267
>>160701278
Thank you, I'll take a look. Might be just me but the in-game info is a bit lacking, thanks again!

>>160701239
roll two dice and pick whichever winner sounds more appealing (so you're not tempted to just keep rolling indefinitely)

>>160701239
instead of playing a good game, play crawl

>>160699760
A lot of games dont even generate a brand weapon scroll, and even then you can often end up with stuff thats trash for endgame like poison or draining

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>>160701931
It's painful

>>160700193
Yup.

>>160702820
T H R E A T A S S
E S S M E N T

What's the best version of PCB?

>>160703757
Any version with 555 and wands of cloning

>>160703757
Clarifying. I mean what fork.

>>160703757
Not playing it so you don't throw away 200 hours of your life and still get nowhere?

>>160704130
Where do you think you are?

How do you guys play an Ice Elementalist?

Do you go Kiku and branch into Necromancy, or max ozo's armor and be a high EV high AC murder machine, or something else?

>>160704434
I cast throw icicle then get ozo's and melee, conjurations, or ice beasts if the RNG is shit.

>>160704098
Pseudo.
I would shill R, but no one else has been testing it as far as I know, so I don't know if the thing works or not.

>>160704712
Is there documentation on it anywhere? I don't know what it changes.

>>160700517
Sorry, forgot my diacritic anon.

>>160704434
Cast Freeze from XL1 until about XL3, pick up the first dagger or short sword or whip or spear you see and begin to hybridize.

If you want to go heavy IE instead of early hybrid, get summon ice beast online and rely on that for a bit. Then hybridize.

>>160705170
What does XL stand for?

>>160704904
you can read the commit log:

https://github.com/GenericPseudonym/pseudoelliposchengband/commits/5.0.2

>>160701082
It isn't? Now worries. I couldn't find a general for Binding of Isaac and this was the roguelike thread so it seemed like the right place.

Where could I get an answer for this then? I like and want to play this game but I really need to eliminate the frustration portion of it.

>>160705682
Ask /v/. This place isn't for you scum.

>>160705682
fuck off faggot

>>160705854
>>160705870
If you don't want to talk about roguelikes, maybe you shouldn't call yourselves roguelike general then plebs. :^)

>>160705682
could try the indie games thread

there used to be a roguelite general but it died

>>160704434
either of those, or summons

>>160706240
Thanks. That seems like another place that might work.

Just for my future understanding, what exactly do you guys talk about here if games like Binding of Isaac are not included? I tried reading the thread but all the posts are just questions about a single game everyone seems to already know everyone else is playing.

>>160706551
roguelikes, aka autistic alphabet games, aka games that are LIKE ROGUE

they look like >>160677425

>>160704712
i'm going to play an alchemist right now, becuase the only thing better than 5 simultaneous pcb characters is 6 simultaneous pcb characters

i have to install msvc 2013 though because it doesn't compoile in msvc 2010

>>160705501
eXperience Level

>>160708157
Yeah, I personally didn't have MSVC2013 available on my computer. I think it would be possible to retarget for VC2010 if I installed it, gotta see into it later.

>>160706551
We talk about games that play like https://archive.org/details/msdos_Rogue_1983 . If you can't make a thread make one on /v/.

>>160708526
yeah you just have to go through the compiler errors and move all the variable declarations to the start of blocks

i can't be assed though

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Currently doing angel of masochism on not too rough, and I've got a sniper mod I don't know what to do with. I'm building a vampire beserker, so this isn't entirely critical. Should I build my supershotty into plasmatic, or my assault shotty that's in my offhand? Or something else?

>>160704130
200 hours is fine. The orb of yendor is the my only god.

>>160705170
>early hybrid
not this meme again

learn to build a character before giving advice, early hybridization only makes you bad at everything. there's a good reason why skalds are one of the most unsuccessful backgrounds

>>160711078
skald is a bad background because their spells are pure melee support

IE lets you invest in pure magic and blast shit with freeze or whatever until you have icebeasts and ozo's up and THEN start doing melee

skald you have to do your shitty worse-than-Fi melee from level 1

>>160711078
IE is a rare case of where it works cause of Ozo's, ice beasts, throw icicle and freeze ignoring ac combined with fighting, dodge and randart floor drops.

Skald's mostly bad because you need a good species, drops, or you have to skill well with impeccable threat assessment.

>>160711492
>IE lets you invest in pure magic and blast shit with freeze or whatever until you have icebeasts and ozo's up and THEN start doing melee
at that point your hybridization is far from being *early*

>>160711587
Is ice beast ozo's melee by lair early?

>>160711587
yeah trying to invest heavily in melee with only freeze up is kind of dumb cause you have no synergy at all

but as soon as you have icebeasts picking up a spear and poking things from behind your meatshields* becomes a lot better

(*not actually made of meat)

>>160711695
lair is not early, you've essentially built yourself a pure mage up until that point and you're ready to kill yaks with your ice beasts and icicle.

>>160711078
>early hybridization only makes you bad at everything
The experience required to level skills in DCSS increases by a *huge* amount with each additional skill level. The result of this is that hybridization in DCSS is incredibly effective, so long as you hybridize into things that require low levels of skills to come online.

As mentioned in the post you quoted, putting 2 to 6 skill levels into things like short blades, M&F, or polearms, can be hugely effective during earlygame after finding a relevant 1.1 basedelay weapon because those weapons have massive accuracy modifiers.

tl;dr: I know a little bit about Crawl and hybridization is wildly effective.

>>160711820
The nice thing about Freeze is that it ignores AC and always hits. This means you can rely on it to kill everything until your whip or short sword is online.

>>160712274
"hybridization" between dodging and fighting skill isn't what we're talking about here captain obvious. although the amount of exp required to level skills grows exponentially, in the case of magic schools the *value* you get out of skilling magic also grows exponentially.

while the amount of HP you get from getting 2 levels of fighting is the same no matter if you're going from 4 to 6 or 25 to 27, the same can't be said about magic, which "unlocks" new spells

there's also the problem of armour class, if you've invested in magic you have a vested interest in staying light armoured, and going melee would have anti synergy or however you want to call it.

tl;dr you're a retard spouting level 1 "advice" not realizing this is a level 4 conversation.

>>160712627
You seem awfully angry for someone who doesn't understand the advice being given.

>>160712785
you're awfully angry for how little argument your post contains, at least i dilute my rage with reason.

the advice is bad, early hybridization, unless you're using a different definition of "early" than mine, is stupid.

>>160712602
yes but then you just have freeze and shortsword

both of those do the same thing, so it's a waste to have both

compare to ozo or icebeast + melee, where you can actually benefit from spell skills AND melee skills at the same time

>>160712274
If your weapon is actually good early game (additive brand or high enchantment), you don't need any levels for it to be effective.

If it's a +0 short sword, it's not going to be useful on anything dangerous, so why spend exp on it?

>>160711959
But muh glaive....

>>160712274
It kills the shit out of people who are inexperienced at the game

>>160712627
You're fine up to scale mail/mid weight dragon armors for spellcasters

>>160712918
>both of those do the same thing, so it's a waste to have both
Not true! Having some weaponskill lets you immediately use the first branded foo you find, and it shifts your character's offense requisite off of the MP bar sooner rather than later. This is a Good Thing, especially so once you realize that the experience you would be sinking into your magic skills can now move to earlier Fighting instead, while you kill with things you've found on the ground.

It also crosstrains your whatever slightly later, but that's less important.

>>160713036
>If your weapon is actually good early game
Unbranded +0 daggers, short swords, whips, and spears are all good early game. Finding a venom or elec brand will let you use them until Lair:6 or so, but they are good enough to carry a character until D:7 or so completely unenchanted. The trick is in the accuracy bonus.

>>160713276
so you invest AFTER finding a good branded foo, instead of spending xp on shortblades and finding yourself a spear of elec

>>160713442
>you invest AFTER finding a good branded foo
No, you invest in your shortsword for about 2-4 skill levels when you find one on D:1, then you invest in your elec spear for another 6 levels or so after you have survived long enough to find it on D:5. The experience is cheap.

>>160713594
this is fucking haram
4 skill short blades isn't worth it, sb are already faster than 1

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>160714308
>sb are already faster than 1
opinion discarded

>>160714308
Uh only qb are faster than 10 aut with 0 skill my good lad. Dagger is 10, shortsword is 11, rapier is 12.

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arena levels, not even once

>>160714461
>>160714496
i was talking about daggers and when i said faster than i meant exactly at

whatever you fucking kikes

daily reminder that tic-tac-toe is a roguelike
>permadeath (die and you have to start over from the beginning)
>procedurally generated (your opponent (whether human or AI) uses some kind of procedure to develop the landscape around you as you play)
>turn based
>top-down grid based
>non-modal (much more so than shitty roguelites with menus and overworlds, like PCB or DCSS)
Also before anyone claims "b-b-but there's more than one character/tile that represents the player!":
1) Single tile players is not a high value factor.
2) Previously played positions are essentially part of the terrain. Putting your opponent in a terrain disadvantage can help you defeat him and move on to the next dungeon. Technically you're only moving your player character one spot at a time, and you have no control over the previous characters in the grid.

>>160714597
Don't blame others for your inability to express yourself my good dude. You can do better. I believe in you.

>>160715223
>high value factor
Get this berlinshitter outta here.

>>160715223
yes but does it have elves

>>160715223
berlin isn't a real country, berliners aren't human beings, and the berlin interpretation is not a roguelike

>>160713442
You do fighting for that not skill. As you advance you knock 0.1's off the delay but it's pulled by your fighting skill and the enchantment of whatever branded thing you dig up

>>160714597
Daggers are too terrible to be worth shit without a proc brand and even then it's still shit compared to just getting a decent base you nigger loving kikester. You find plenty of branded whips and flails.

Where to start with Mystery Dungeon games? I really hate Pokemon Mystery Dungeon (mainly due to the pokemon mechanics) but I remember years ago enjoying the old Shiren the Wanderer game on the DS. Other than that one, what's a good jumping off point?

>>160711078

But I dump 10 Charms and 5 Necro by Lair 1 when I find a Regeneration book as an Octopode and I pretty much always get 15 runers with it

>>160716778
TEN(TEN) FUCKING CHARMS
GET
THE
HECK
OUT

>>160717051
>H*CK
please watch ur language

Trying to get into Cataclysm... The game is awesome

>>160717273
Thanks, /s4s/-kun.

>>160704712
hey you need to run the ctrl-a S command in wizmode to regenerate the help files.

currently alchemist isn't in the class list in there

>>160716551
Check the nintendo ds general or whatever it's called. I think we only have 2 guys that played shiren and no mystery dungeon cause the general is all depressed poorfag neets and menial wageslaves

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Bit shit, but what I managed to get. Had to work a lot more than I expected but I probably wouldn't have gotten a win anyway.

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So now that the tournament is over, how did everybody do?

Ignoring anyone with <100 points I made it to the top 6%, which doesn't really say much.

Only 3 wins though, wish I wasn't so bad.

>>160714308
You don't want your attacks to be occurring at 10 auts if you can avoid it. You want there to be a little bit of stagger between your attackdelay and monster attackdelay so you can naturally gain backstep spacing from mismatched swing timers. Yes, you can aut manipulate in other ways, but gaining backsteps naturally while fighting is really fucking useful.

There's also the fact that taking those 1.1 weapons down to 0.9 or 0.8 boosts their damage output by roughly 30% depending if you want to push 4 levels or 6. At low XL, a 30% damage boost is huge, although less important than the fact that by investing such you can pump more Fighting for *additional* accuracy over the already-huge accuracy on those 1.1 weapons.

tl;dr: Skill this way and you can kill adders, shieldgnolls, and bees.

>>160720526
>>160719608
What's this?

>>160720614
>Ice elementalist
>needing a 0.9 short sword to kill adders, shieldgnolls, and bees
badwiki pls

>>160720838
>bees
Okay, have fun getting swarmed after you blow your load killing the first two while you try to make it back to the nearest staircase.

>>160721031
>not splitting and luring bees
yeah your 4 sb short sword isn't what's going to save your ass from bees, not luring bees is a tactical fault, skilling short blades is a strategical fault, completely unrelated, but may stack.

>>160720526
Phoned in a single win. Could have gotten two, but wanted to try for Vow of Courage III and killed myself in Tomb. ~800 points.

>>160720720

http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.19/players/your_username_here.html

>>160721197
oy vey anon, have fun with your 10% winrate

>>160721258
post your webtiles account with 50% win rate baddie

>>160721327
>he thinks 50% is good
>laughing_androgynous_elves.tiff

How can I avoid getting paralyzed and shot to death upon opening a door in IA?

>>160721528
post it and i'll be impressed

>>160721258

>10%

that's actually very good since the majority of Crawl online players have 1 digit or not even 1% winrate

>>160721569
what if it's not mine

>>160721031
>blow your load
>using icicle at all

when you run out of mana casting summon ice beast, you still have all your ice beasts around

>>160721883
i'll always believe in you anon

>>160721538
Pay attention to if you've not made a lot of noise previously. Like noise that would have already woken and sent occupants running
Open from a diagonal.
Go around another way
Play a war vet and/or take the traits that boost your str checks or take stealth shit
Keep and wield I think an axe gives a bash bonus to doors

>>160721795
majority of the ones that don't make a new account to get away from their learning losses.

>>160721031
bad example since you want to use freeze on bees, which is cheap

>>160721986
It really isn't, because the further you go down the path of relying on elementalist skilling to kill, the more you have to make up later.

Unless you enjoy playing master blasters, in which case more power to you, but those characters have their midgame costs.

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>>160721913
>tfw have to play old versions if you want to drop all your Okawaru weapons and reanimate them with Tukima's
It doesn't help that Tukima's caps low, is targetted and it rapidly fails pretty much right after its host dies.

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my babby alchemist got a pretty nice quest reward

is this an actual change in pcb-r or just luck

i was a already thoroughly spooked by the whole "easy_id gives you loremaster from level 1" thing

>>160721962
>majority of the ones that don't make a new account to get away from their learning losses.
do you have any stats to satisfact that up? someone recently posted the winrates of recently played games across all players, separated by tiles and ASCII games, and the rates were 1% and 2% respectively

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time to go buy a big stack of !oil

>>160722585
global winrates are highly skewed by new players, casual players, and speedrunners

winrate among old vets on their choice of combos is widely accepted to be near to 100%

winrate on random combos among old vets seems to be a few points shy of 70% depending on the player, looking at hyper accounts

>>160722585
A bunch of players from here years ago did it and some talking about IRC conversations on it they'd see while they were hanging out. Heck, brocoli kept a pretty high winrate on her alt and Implosion made a bunch of 100% accounts that inevitably got dunkes when the streak broke.

>>160722841
Don't forget the bots too. The berserker bot especialyl just mulches them like mad.

>>160722873
>brocolee
>high winrate
anon pls

>>160722585
go look up ??winscumming in the learndb
educate urself

>>160722585

>across all players

there's your answer

>>160722873
spicerack was the one with alt accounts, anon.

Multi accounting should be a cause for a permaban. In one of my games, multi-accounting on a first offense always result in a 6 month ban that is immune to appeals while the second offense is permanent.

>>160723384
Why?

>>160723384
Fuck off.
You have to be retarded to take winrates and scoring in a roguelike that ~6000 people actively play seriously.

>>160723384
should offline playing be cause for a permaban?

>>160723737
yes, it counts as winscumming

>>160723384
what game

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>alchemists can choose 0 when deciding how many infusions to create
all these piles of "0 potions of water" will be so useful

>>160724259
But you can quaff them to gain nutrition!

>>160723478

From what I can see right now, you can certainly fill the leaderboard of any kind (streak, tourna, global records etc.) full of (You) accounts if you're skilled and there's also winscumming. It mostly depends on the online game in question with varying advantages for multi-accounting but in general multi-accounting is considered degenerate in online games. Some online games (like MOBAs) can safely ignore them while others simply can't.

How are you supposed to deal with undead in DCSS as a necromancer. I basically have to run from all player ghosts I meet unless I want to die. Good news is I finally made it to lair as a non o-tabber for the first time

>>160724326
is a pile of 50 of them actually more nutrition than a food ration
maybe i should've made an ent alchemist for INFINITE FOOD

anyways i can still turn them into acid clouds to blast bad dudes with

>>160724393
Well, you do have scary spooky skeletons as a level 1 (one) spell.

There is also e(v)oking your feet and/or bashing their heads in with a melee weapon. (Beware the hybrid cost!)

>>160724393
Dispel Undead is a spell

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>>160723384
>Sixth month ban on first infraction
>Instead of simply merging the accounts and telling the ass to knock it off.
>Keeping game statistics past six months to begin with

Why would you use such shit practices that can lead to a potential PR nightmare over stupid shit? Why be anal about initial statistics, when recent statistics are more indicative of player skill?

>>160724393
control/dispel undead?

>>160724930
>Why be anal about statistics

>>160724807
Real talk: Does anyone ever actually use DU? It seems like one of those spells that sounds useful in theory, but then you just kill them with zombies or something instead.

Now I'm curious to go query Sequell for the percentage of recent Ne winners that had learned/cast DU, but that query sounds like a pain to form in a way that would give meaningful results.

>>160724994
Can you control player ghosts?

Can you damage the invisible ghost enemies that drain spirit in IA?

>>160725274
its useful for crypt/tomb (obvious reasons) + zot (aliches)

>>160725393
crypt/tomb obviously, but if you're in there as a Ne who's bothered enough by the chaff that you want to learn DU, you probably have corpse delivery available (does that still exist?)

aliches seem like a good use for it i guess, but zombie dragons under silence also seems good

i guess i haven't played many necros as necros in recentish versions

>>160725274
Yes because now that all zombies are temporary, you're not going to always have an army up at any given time, plus it does pretty good unresistable, unavoidable damage.

>>160725607
it's not for popcorn, it's for greater mummies, ancient champions, etc. corpse delivery still exists, but zombies arent as good now that they're temporary

>>160724930

>statisticscumming is the only issue of multi-accounting

That might be true for Crawl (already a huge issue) but that's 100% certainly not the only case for other online games that the first offense should warrant a serious punishment.

>>160725757
>>160725785
>temporary
Sure, but you don't need an army up all the time. You'd need it for, what, bone dragons? New ancient champions aren't particularly scary by the time you reach them, especially with runelock keeping you out of V until midgame.

Is this a thing for people who are doing Crypt at XL13 or something?

>>160726148
>New ancient champions aren't particularly scary by the time you reach them
yeah curse skulls would've been a better example

>>160726148
Or let you easily kill MiBe ghosts that would normally rip apart your zombies in early floors.

>>160726921
>early floors
Isn't DU something like level 5? You're not using that to kill 'early' ghosts unless you gimp your character to Tartarus and back.

>>160727210

I think you're underestimating how fast you can get a level 5 spell running anon

>>160727434
dispel undead isn't even in the necromancer starting book, and there are better uses for pre-lair exp

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Having a lot of fun with the new god (I havent played in a year) on a naga skald.

Spirit warrior naga.

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>>160728954
Sun Tsu's The Art of Running the Fuck Away

>>160727210
>>160727596
Kiku gifts it to you at 3* piety, which is fairly easy to get to before lair, and you should easily be able to get 8-10 levels in spellcasting + necromancy at this point, even with some points in defenses.

>>160729307
i'd rather have the other kiku spells/any utility, summon, etc spells i find/defenses/weapon skill/stealth/evo at that point in the game... aside from the occasional blaster ghost dispel undead isn't useful in early D/lair/orc. i'll take it if i have slots open and nothing else to learn but that's rare

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>>160729269
Fucking hell

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>>160729847
a thousand turns in the abyss is enough for several of a slow nagas lifetime.

>>160723384
>Another /Autist/ is here
Git out reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Don't cross the threads Morty!

>>160724930
The system is terrible and incapable of merging, it's clearly laid out in the rules to not do it, and in the vast majority of the case it's done to escape a ban or history ofrepeated bans for the same offenses or repeated major offenses and other notes by the administration letting others know that you're a shithead so you can get away with more of it. It's a pretty deliberate major offense over something that doesn't have an excuse to do which is why it's so long. The long record keeping helps for establishing a pattern of cyclical dickishness so there's solid evidence that there's no point in trying to get them to reform anymore by nudging them back onto the right path. Some times you just can't fix someone and for the greater good they gotta go.

>>160725295
Yeah but the accuracy is pretty terrible unless you take the undead hunter or whatever it's called trait which you shouldn't cause it's pretty niche

>>160730314
Died from an ice cloud in the ice cave, AFTER clearing all the enemies. Mcfucking kill me, if only I had a single health pot or blinking

>>160731378

I remember my time with those dumb P2W war browser games where autists are actually capable of effectively framing or effectively killing a player by multi-accounting for little to no effort nor risk. Multis could send their targets a big troop reinforcement to kill their food stocks while they're offline and it'll actually result in killing their target's actual troops or a huge chunk of it in the particular city since they're eating more food than normal. Fun times were had.

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My past is trying to stop me from giving into the O-tab

>>160734028
u should update ur browser, friend

>>160732279
the secret is to send all your troops away to a patrol when you go to sleep so they're untargetable, then when they return instantly send them to conquer weak lands, the troops must never rest in one spot or else they're vulnerable to attack. it doesn't matter if your town gets rekt, you just have to earn more than you lose and keep sending troops to every corner

>>160734919

That won't work if the multiscummer had Multis who parked like a total of 5000-10000 cannon fodders in their city as reinforcement just to eat food so it kills their granary and in turn, kills any number of their actual troops within or outside the city per hour. The best part is that during those times, a lot of war browser games were still stupid to do message notifications when a reinforcement from somewhere has arrived so they won't know the culprit or even if someone is doing it especially if he/she knows your typical online schedule.

So how about those Roguelikes.

>>160732279
I've seen one extremely autistic spess browser game where official policy on multi accounting was "if you are autistic enough and have enough free time, go for it, but remember that each account will require 4-6 hours of micro per day every day. Also just colonize, it's more efficient."

Knight, Battlemage, or Hexer?

Hepli is neat.

>Playing Elona
>in the middle of Palmia, the main city
>suddenly my pet pet blows up into a shower of meaty fragments and an alien charges out of the bloody rain of it's still falling corpse

what the fuck was that

>>160735669
all of palmia is fucked now
alien parasite from a well
enjoy the death spiral

>>160735669

Your pet waifu most probably literally ate some semen from well water a few minutes ago and he/she got pregnant and labored an alien son/daughter. Kill that alien before it impregnates the guards or it might impregnate the whole city

>>160735806

>alien parasite

What? I saw an alien before in Lesimas, but I didn't seem to do much before we killed it.

>>160735869

Wait, aliens can impregnate things?

The fuck?

In CDDA how do NPC needs work? Do they require full micro of giving food and water to each of them? Can they cook or will they just try to eat raw meat or shit like protein powder if that's the only thing in warehouse? What happens to non-followers or followers waiting outside the reality bubble?

>>160735504
what garbage games lmao
addictive and imbalanced to ***k

>>160735806
>>160735869

No, seriously, is this going to be a regular thing every time I bump into aliens? Them blowing up my pets ten minutes on and reincarnating through their meaty chunks?

>>160735990

Yeah, even YOU could get impregnated regardless of gender. That's why you and your pets should always get that chastity belt trait from randarts.

If you see someone pregnant from message logs, buy a sulfuric acid from the potion shop and press (I) while adjacent to your target and give him/her the acid. Will get hostile since you gave him/her literal acid or even worse, might die immediately (check the loot) but just use a teleport and get out of the city+reenter/wait for a couple of minutes outside the city to respawn and it'll fix itself.

what is the best role/race combo in slash'em extended?

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alchemist seems p. neat

the poison brand they get at level 20 applies to shooters as well, and they get a bonus to xtra-shots when they drink !heroism or !berserk
(berserk gives them bonus blows as well)

the brand is handled a bit weirdly though. it's just a permanent version of the temporary elemental branding spell, so you get a permanent entry in your status bar saying "BPois"

>>160736569

Damn, I nuked the alien pretty fast, and following your advice, downed some sulphuric acid in case it got me. Which did massive damage, which I supposed is to be expected from drinking acid.

Is there any indicator outside of the immediate action if it gets' you? I don't particularly want to get facehuggered and sit around waiting to explode into meaty chunks because I didn't notice a single line of text.

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haha neat

>>160736871

There is always a periodic notification which is a color yellow text iirc. Just pay attention to the message logs or even better, look for some randarts for your whole party that has the ability to spit out alien semen immediately. From early to endgame, there would always be something that can impregnate you.

>>160737543
>>160736871

I'm pretty sure that there getting impregnated shows up in the feats menus, or in the bottom left corner where hunger/exhaustion are shown.

At any rate, before you get some decent 'Protects from alien' items, just makes sure to carry a few bottles of poison, dye or acid around. If you're not sure, just shove some down you and pets throats after you run into an alien. If you barf something up, then you got facehug'd. If you don't, then it's good healing training.

Later on, you'll meet even stronger monsters that want to shove their spawn into your stomach, so you really want to get some protection before you head to South Tyris.

Is freezing or drain a better brand on an executioner axe? what is the best brand for e axe?

>>160738726
They're both good. Speed, Vamp, and Holy are the three best brands on a two handed weapon depending on where you are in the game.
Brands don't really matter that much aside those three though so don't think too hard about it.

>>160738726
freezing is generally considered a better brand than draining

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>>160698986
I feel like I got the best score in this version's tournament because I played infinity% less than the last one!

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hey arent you supposed to be in a quest area

>>160739187
Grats anon. I'm proud of ya

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>tfw you weren't paying attention while driving and ran through a minefield
I lost an arm.

>Cat is hit by a rock! Cat is killed!
>Dlvl:1
Fuck the RNGods.

How are the tummies tonight?

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>labyrinth in PCB-R doesn't have the mpa changes
oh god i forgot how annoying this area was

>>160742332
What's PCB-R I havent played PCB in about a year.

>>160742332
>annoying
Labyrinth is chill as fuck.

>>160742398
some anon in this thread made his own variant
it has a couple new classes in it

i'm currently playing an alchemist

the ability to craft potions starts to get kind of lackluster when you find super early staves of speed + cure wounds, though

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Nuthin I could do.

>>160742727
Retard.

>>160742727
TRAPS AND DOORS

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apparently if you are poseidon demigod (or water elemental?) suicide bomber monsters will melt their own armor for you

>>160731573
but it looks like you were having fun, which is what matters most!

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>>160743137
It was a pretty fun run, though I wish anything other than an anticlimatic cloud of snowflakes ended it.

>>160743119
Nice fucking hack [MAINTAINER OF ANCESTOR OF POSCHENGBAND FROM 1 BILLION YEARS AGO].

How come there are still so many people playing 0.19 instead of trunk if the tournament is fucking over?

>>160743363
they had ongoing characters?

>>160743363

The real question here is why you are somehow triggered. Where did they touch you?

>D:1 Phantom in trunk
epic :)

>>160743487
I use words like fuck precisely to trigger meaningless, offtopic responses like yours
essentially, you have been tricked!

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>>160743602

What?! No way! I've been tricked again!

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i think i fault against ps more than any other level of enemy

>oh these are just some shitty paladins or something
turns out they were ivory monks and they punched off 2/3rds of my life bar in one turn

>level
*letter

>>160743907
"Help me, coatl!"
*decapitation noises*

oh wait what actually happend is they punched me hard enough to paralyze me with fear and then they killed me over TWO turns

protip: do not have 8 charisma

What's the hot new maymay on /rlg/?

>>160744432
# (number)

>>160744527
dont forget the pedophilia

>>160743907
RIP
Sorry, been sleeping during your play. Any feedback or suggestions?

>>160744527
>>160744573
three (3) tummies

>>160744652
i took a couple notes when playing:

-using "create infusion" on pots you already have infusion of should automatically pick the same slot
-why only 50 infusions, not 99 like in inv slot
-can "create infusion" and pick 0 for the number of potions, not consuming any
-ability to move/swap locations of infusions like magiceater can?
-evap costs hp when out of mana. Intended?
-evap still costs mana/turn if you cancel aiming
-alchemist gets the "temporary" versions of acid/pois brand, so there's a status light on the screen 24/7. look at how e.g. monster giants get brands
-source code calculates a "boost" when heroism is active but doesn't give an actual bonus based on that boost
-should auto-breakdown when destroying potion, like weaponsmith auto-extracts essences
-monster leprechaun style auto-alchemy on destroyed items as well?

oh yeah and i didn't get to abuse this but:
- *enlightenment* is a tier 1 potion but it gives +1 int/wis, and the normal stat increase potions are tier 2

>>160744876
Thanks.
Regarding evap costs, that's how powers generally work. They eat MP first, then HP. I dunno if I should make alchemist a special case.

>>160744968
Ouch, I didn't even know that.

>>160745129
Hmm, I guess i didn't realize it worked like that.
I knew racial powers did that but I thought it was just because they might be a class without mana.

I wanted to see how strong evap Lose Memories was against caster enemies but I kind of splatted too early for that.

Imagine an alchemist running around the antimelee caves making all the powerful sorcerors forget all their spells and then plinking them to death with a sling.

At least I got to kill Meng Huo and Azog by throwing booze at them.

How accurate is this?

https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=19209

>>160746045
It's not the accuracy that's an issue.
It's pointless since the races are intentionally imbalanced.
Just the kind of waste of time I'd expect from tavern.

>>160746045
>felids have built in savescumming
Hmm..

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I came to this dungeon to kill dudes.

>>160747151
What are M in incursion?

>>160747236
Griffon apparently. Got about 3x as much health in this form and perhaps 3x as much damage.

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I JUST WANTED
TO KILL THE DUDES

Is MfIE still good in Crawl?

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>>160747354
rip

>>160747530
Oh man does changing form just give tou flat -/+ hp without checking if it would kill you?

>>160747750
http://incursion.wikidot.com/faq#toc19

>>160747863
I like to kill my players in cruel and sadistic ways too, but not for not memorizing their durations. That's just sick.

>>160745332
It's about as powerful as the spell IIRC.
Now that I am past done with the exam, my current things I kinda want to implement is
>Swapping / removing infusions
>Created infusions are automatically thrown into infusions already created
>Make tiers bit more clear when breaking down potions.
>Able to use infusions during berserk ( although I had idea of boosting power of it massively, it is bit too much drawback since you won't be able to use defensive infusions ).

Plus those bugfixes...

>>160747976
yeah it's a bit weird if you can use infusions while confused but not berserk

do they work under antimagic?

>>160748106
I think they should. I am gonna test some more today.

>>160747940
Pretty sure buffs in Incursion last until you rest or they're dispelled, so it's not as bad as it seems.

>>160748576
I got that from a fountain, which wears off after some turns.

>>160746331

>intentionally imbalanced

If there's anything imbalanced, that would only be Gargoyles while the others are perfectly balanced

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fug :DDD

>>160749265
>minotaur berserker is no stronger than mummy chaos knight
nice FUCKING meme

>>160747506
A bit less after the recent nerfs, but still very good.

>>160748106
Anyway, thanks again for testing. I implemented changes about now, and will push commit soon. Did some Maledict changes as well ( more speed/blows when cursed, anti-tele is toggle rather than just debuff. )

>>160749395
Why would you tree the ghosts??

>>160749482

First of all, we're talking about races, not backgrounds. Second, if you didn't notice, a minotaur is not able to cast even the mediocre spells unless either he goes Chei (and even then, it'll still take some greeeaaaaat deal of time to cast them with +15 Int) or waste a ring slot for a Wiz +Int randart compared to mummies and most especially their no hunger cost. Spells are the strongest mechanic in this game and a mummy has the advantage over a minotaur with this.

Is song of sharpness with 21 song enough to cut a Sil, or do I need more or a sharp weapon?
t. sneaky Edain

>>160750919
If you sing Sharpness near Morgoth he'll turn you into a red stain. Use !dex !str ,rage and poke at the crown with a mattock or great axe until something pops out, while singing Lorien and/or Silence.

>>160749883
And done. Maledict also can curse all equipment at once ( although it takes 300 energy ).
They also inflict other curse flags ( attract, drain mana, etc. ) less often. 1/3 for one, 1/9 for 2nd, 1/27 for third.
Although I suppose there should be way to force bad curses for more curse power.

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I didnt want to scum 950 too long so I descended, V fell asleep quite easily with my shortsword with +3 to song. And thankfully he didnt wake up, time to gtfo now.

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>>160752473
Bye bye Angband

>>160736115
Haven't used the refugee center scripts but for npc's you grab in wherever land you gotta give em stuff or maybe use it on them? I always played with no npc needs cause less sleep plus retard npc's that need handholding is insufferable
There's some abstraction I think. I don't know if they're like crops and snap to date when they reenter the bubble or if they're like food and are frozen. Forum's probably the best place to look or test it and report

>>160736320
Yes, give her a protects from pregnancy item and pay attention to clear out the infestation.

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>>160756173
>retard npc's that need handholding
L-lewd.

>stone soup can be played on android
Cool. Now I know what I'll be doing when I have no access to my pc

>>160757101
I can't get the offline tiles versions to work without crashing.

>>160757038
NPC's would be 99% less obnoxious if you could set an orders system so they would be vaguely self-sufficient. but the sleep system is retarded. You can only cough syrup them so much, the farming system lacks walk-action toggles, macros are hard and equipment is rare as fuck so feeding is a pest on top of having to train them so you can get help with the brutal times.You need to be able to assign shit so they can training montage themselves and that doesn't really work all that well with the game not having a 3rd person RTS mode.

Man, why is fightsim restricted to wizmode?

>>160762307
too nethackish.

>>160762307
Cause you have the game telling you if you'll win

>>160747976
>Now that I am past done with the exam
Lucky bastard.

>>160762513
But you can launch another instance and fightsim there

>blood mages can't cast any healing spell whatsoever
I thought it was only the life realm that was forbidden
That's super lame

How else am I gonna break the game now, play a mirror master?

>class that really doesn't need a dispel magic immunity gets it
Goddamnit, imagine the amount of cheese you could achieve if rune knights could cast this.

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Woops

They do get a healing spell that heals 550+ damage, plus a +20 speed spell, plus another spell that lets them cast mana storm for 600 damage, plus one that lets them regain 200 mana per turn.
But they have to choose between the tons of mana/turn and the immunity spell, which means they can't spam 600 mana storms against J while being impossible to dispel.

>>160763075
And you have to keep configuring it which is more than the average plucky ducky would do.

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How do I git gud?

>>160765818
http://pastebin.com/2vZsvsfD
From the OP, my man.

>>160766008
soup version where?

>>160766008
I know all that. I used to routinely beat easy and got some normal and normal+challenge wins in previous versions.
But how do I git gud?

Also whoever wrote tip 4 has zero idea how dodge works in doomrl. Dodge is going so fast enemies aim at your afterimage. If it is on the same line as your new position even if you do dodge you still get hit/miss roll all the same.

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Well okay psions are really good.

The free 600 damage mana storm +20 fast +mana cost cut + 500 damage heal sure is something. If you also take the mindspring, you can literally just stand there and spam everything. They seem fun.

>you can also remap maa*t to 1 attack with your mana thrust from across the room with the a single key
THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER

So I've found three (3) scrolls of acquirement and have both lair branches down to their last floors. I'm a HoBr with an e axe of cut and frost, plate of MR, a necklace of rN, slay, and regen w/ just standard stuff for all other slots. What should I acquire?

>>160768517
It doesn't matter. Acquire something and use it if the RNG didn't shit on you.

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>>160749913
Jesus Christ, anon.

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Thank you based RNG, I shall find virgins to sacrifice immediately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJqY6EANeD0

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Help

Game autosaved about 10 turns back, now inevitably in about 5 ingame minutes this same crash happens regardless of what I do.

I really don't want to lose this world. The guy is alright to lose.

>>160769675
>assertion failed
Submit a bug report.

>>160769967
I don't know what assertions are. What can I do to not scrub this world?

It's kinda done this before, but it's never autosaved so close to the doomsday event.

>>160769675
>actually playing with the isometric tiles

Wew
How long did it take you to get used to that?

>>160769675
>isometric tiles
The fuck is wrong with you?

>>160770130
Not long at all. Final Fantasy Tactics and Tactics Ogre are two of my favorite games.

>>160770171
I like being able to see 3 dimensions at once. It's also more readable in screenshots to normal folk.

>>160770232
> 3 dimensions at once
Wait, are you seriously playing with 3D los and expect it to work for more than in-game week?

>>160769590
What's with /rlg/ and patrician taste in music

>>160770052
Submit a bug report at github.com/cleverraven/cataclysm-dda
Something like:
"Assertion Failed in line.cpp"
Windows-[whatever your os is here] Tiles
Release #
While eating some curry and moving around some benches, I shouted and then the game crashed due to a failed assertion as follows:
`File: src/line.cpp, Line 321
Expression: !line.empty() && line.front() != line.back()`

Then go play another save until they fix it and it gets in a release.

>>160770376
No. Isometric gives the illusion of depth. You defined width and length, iso just rolls everything upward to give the illusion of height. I really don't get the shock and confusion of people being unable to make sense of isometric dda.

>whoa buddy. Slowdown. That thing you didn't ask about is fucking your shit up
Thanks for the input.

Do I do elves or the final floors of lair branches first if I have all the gear I need for lair branches

>>160770476
> and it gets in a release.
Haha oh wow will there ever be one?

>>160770769
There is usually an experimental release every day.
If you are playing stable though, your world may very well be fucked. I don't get why you'd want to save the world, but not your character though. Sounds bones-scummy.

>>160770917
Actual guy here.

I want to save the world because it's been pretty exciting all considered. Good density, lots of variety in spawns. And I've only been able to explore my immediate area because there's been so much happening.

A guy is just a pool of stats anyway. Those are easy to retrain. I played a lot of Dorf Fort, so worlds matter more to me than characters.

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Singing fear and hitting them as they try to flee is actually rather effective. Neither lord borel or kavlax managed to get off anything dangerous before I could poke them to death.

>>160765580
Isn't there a capstone ability to fuck up all monster casting?

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I got lucky with my alchemist. I can actually make use out of the mana brand.

>notice issues.md on github
>how to better post your issue
>pleasantly surprised I did about 90% the suggestions before even seeing this

>>160772112
Yes, psionic disruption. But it works, at best, with level 90 monsters. So most of big J's entourage will tear you a new one.
Also the serpent coould still spam rockets at you because rockets are not magical. That is, if the spell would actually do anything to him.
Mindspring is the only true endgame spell, even though the other ones are really great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUVmcKcTZ4A

For Fedhas playthroughs only

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>>160772241
Hail Elmo.

Damn... building a house in unreal world is a huge project

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That's nice

Take my pain away /rlg/. What should I meme with in Sil? Keep in mind I've never won and only reached 950' twice.

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>Judge Fear flees in terror!
This is probably the best spell in the first two books, sadly.

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>>160774319
>Take my pain away /rlg/

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>>160773829
It sure is. But returning to your comfy cabin after a hunting expedition, lighting up the fireplace, making a herbal beverage and sipping it while lying down on a bear-hide-covered sleeping bunk feels fantastic.

>>160772594

I used to listen to this a few years ago, a true masterpiece.

Unlike most of the youtube links I see posted here, this one apparently is a roguelike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsQC9reFbdQ

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>>160775169
>start building your house
>slow and steady while fighting against hunger
>build a wall facing the wrong direction
I killed myself. I need a break

>>160764269
Mirror-master isn't OP. It's just a nobook mage class with some nice utilities (teleports/detection) plus decent damage unresistable blasty spells.
Oh, and dimension door which is always amazing.

>>160776545
psions get dimension door too
psions get all kinds of cool shit it's unreal
Once I get Ddoor castable I'm going to the arena, sidestep the drolem and start stairdancing until I find some death molds to clone for loadsofexpee.

>>160772097
woah the first part of this post made me think you were silposting

>>160772501
Yes but it doesn't just remove monster spells, it makes them lose turns when they try to cast.

There's a tonberry psion winner on the ladder who rekt serpent with disruption and the +blows buff.

>>160774790
the psi one can inflict a number of debuffs and doomcall is sound damage and so can stun

>>160775373
I remember like a year ago at least when someone first started asking what music people listen to while playing roguelikes, and the only response they got was "fuck off".

How times have changed...

>>160776772
yeah psion is amazing
pick up Astral Guide if you can though; ddoor normally costs 1.3ish turns without it

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I'm on a DDFi character. At which point should I stop putting points in Str and into Dex?

>>160777260
Yeah, but doomcall blows through my sp so quickly that it's really only useful clearing packs of weak things for now.

I think metamorphosing at level 35 was a mistake, my melee damage isn't actually that good. Maybe when I don't need to wear a bunch of junk rings to have some elemental resists it will get better, at least.

>>160777759
>metamorphosed bard
and now you can't even wear the artifact harps

>>160777968
it's okay anon he can still shoot the arrow of the bard!

Is it worth investing in Necromancy if I'm a MiGl who just found a +8 dwhip of pain?

>>160778150
well you can THROW it...
dragons don't get a bow slot though

>>160778793
do you have other necro shit available? book with regen in it?

>>160779140
Only Corpse Rot so far (I'm in L:7).

>>160778793
I'd do it. Because dwips have low softcap anyway, and the exp may as well go somewhere useful.

seriously are there any classes that actually benefit from metamorphosis more than they lose out

maybe if you already have/are willing to grind for multiple rings of power

I haven't played roguelikes since a week ago.
Forgive me, /rlg/...

>>160779903
R U L E O F C O O L

Honestly you'd probably need a caster or the most armor-restricted class you can.

Post top dungeon crawling music.

https://youtu.be/dcZjVX9snHA

>>160780184
>Honestly you'd probably need a caster or the most armor-restricted class you can.
Would it actually make sorcerers viable since it would give him more AC?

>>160780219
fuck off

>>160780184
even on a caster, you will have tons of problems with resists untill you spend millions of gold reforging for rings with multiple high-resists

maybe if you're like a draconian priest of life for ultimate resistance...

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Well, oops.
Didn't know King Koopa had that sort of damage output. Kinda sorry death since I was sitting on pile of 20 !healings, but the thing ate through my hp in two turns.
If only I had spared Luigi...

>>160777715
Once you have more str than your armor's str req and you decide you want a better yield on your dodge investment and more evasion overall instead of a better reduction in your armors evasion penalty. you can go both routes fine, no need to overthink it.

>>160780497
Bowser is just a slower ancient red dragon IIRC.

>>160780219
See >>160769590 >>160772594

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlqyCfsYjOs

>>160772594
>>160780219
>>160780867
Fuck off, retards.

>>160780732
Good to know.

>>160780341
I wonder what happens if you cast demon form. Do you get your old human slots back?

>>160780297
AC is for scrubs, real men cast detect monster every 5 steps

accept no substitutes

>>160781315
are you the anon who was mad about having to use detectmons to not die earlier

>>160781472
No, I mean what I said, sorcerers/mages have all the tools at their disposal to never be surprised by an enemy, and so it is optimal play to cast detect monster whenever your MP is full

>>160779903
Ninja might be interesting since they keep the stabs, and your dragon attacks would have bigger die than ninja weapons (if they work off that, I have no idea).

Priest would give two spell realms and doesn't actually take a penalty to the dragon dice calculations.

Some mediocre at melee and spells class like time-lord? Really, it's hard to justify giving up two slots and struggling to get resists in exchange for maybe hitting a bit harder.

>>160781848
stabs are a multiplier to total damage

tonberry ninja is a popular combination

what direction do vehicles face when you begin to build them, north?

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>try to fight smaug
>he double breathes and takes me to 31 hp through triple fire resist
>my third book was sitting on the floor elsewhere
I hope it's good.