/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

>>159929294
>(embed)
oopsie
nobody bully me about this okay

>>159929381
can i bully you sexually

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Is the patch out yet? What was that change to ultra greatswords and halberds?

Also, did the curved sword menace get nerfed?

>>159929381
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i'm about to embed my erection deep inside of you for fucking up the op

>>159929418
only if you do it nicely

Holy shit CSS and FS are fucking useless now.

>>159929294
>patch notes
>best waifu
>proper title
You did good OP, ya trapfaggot. <3

>>159929419

It's out on PS4.

[spoilerhttps://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/5cc4ej/regulation_122_is_live_carthus_curved_sword_and/
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>>159929449
It still has its immense range and speed
>>159929472
Guud jaab

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r8 my faith fashion

I got to gold in duels on a faith buld, but I doubt that's saying much.

>>159929449
Carthus Curved Sword. Crystal Soul Spear is most likely more useful

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>>159929446
o-oh nooo...

>>159929453
thanks anon <3

>>159929294
>(embed)
dumb gwyndolinposter

Does poise only really benefit Ultras/Greatswords or can lighter weapons make use of it too?

>>159929294
>(embed) edition

>>159929453
patch notes have been around for some time, he just (incompetently, dude embed lmao) copied the previous thread

>>159929589
Mince
All
Cocky
Enemies
>>159929639
Still better than your pieces of shit

>>159929191
he's gonna be unemployed when dark souls dies
i want to see all the e-celebs burn

So what level should I be for Irithyll? SL50?

>>159929656
haven't been in the thread awhile so i wouldn't know
however fucking (embed)? can't believe i missed that

>weapon is called Red Hilted Halberd
>it is a halberd with a red hilt

>>159929690
nah he'll make videos about nioh, and then the next soulslike and then the next
>all he does is read wikis
no, you nigger, the reason he's big is his video editing skills and presentation
yes, he steals all lore theories (even though he credits people nowadays) but i don't think he comes up with any of that shit on his own

>>159929747
>weapon is called Carthus Curved Sword
>it is a curved sword the people of Carthus used

>>159929747
>weapon is called Long Sword
>it's a long sword

real fucking original, From

Anybody else see an hud around the corner of their eyes?
I saw a few steps leading to what seemed like a door but no door was there and I immediately thought "cut content"

>>159929747
>Greatsword
>It's a great big sword

Wooooooooooow

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Post you are face when last DLC has Santier's Spear

>>159929794
The longsword is not long, tho.

It's actually very short, for a longsword.

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>>159929747
>the weapon called "halberd" has a red hilt too

>>159929747
>weapon called claymore
>no effect on clay production

so carthus curved was nerfed for like 50 AR on hollow quality
i wish they brought all longswords to its level now

>>159929878
yeah sure, next you're gonna tell me the Dragon Bone Smasher doesn't smash dragon bones

this general is actually pretty nice

HUMAN

>>159929357
Will this be the new Ahhhhh

>Whip out xbow to deal with magic spamming arenanigger
>See the bolt connect
>He rolls a solid second after
>It misses
>He starts casting something
>Take damage
>It was a soul spear

Why is it always third world internet cunts that spam magic

>>159929747
>Flameberge
>can't set someone on fire

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This is Carthus Curved Sword after the patch.

Lost 10 points of base damage. Lost some weight. Uses less stamina.
Other curved swords untouched.
Falchion for example still has 117 base damage and identical scaling.

How significant is this?
Currently on PC a +10 Refined CCS at 40/40, 2h, has 463 AR.

After the patch it will have 423. 1 more than a one-handed Refined Falchion.

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/DSG/!

>want to finally do a magic build
>too many spells I want to use
>will bloat my SL to at least 130
Should I do it?

>>159930058
you don't know pain until you play against gooks on a turboleveled character

try sl200+ at pontiff

>>159929747
>weapon is called Greatsword
>it is an Ultra Greatsword
?????

>want to finally do a magic build
>too many spells I want to use
>will bloat my SL to at least 130
Should I do it?

>>159930150
Yes

>>159930159
the meta is max level

been getting "gateway time out" error all day on /dsg/, what gives? is it my end or 4chan? never seen this error before

>one handed R1 with minimum requirements estoc does more damage than two handed sacred oath+deep protection+red tearstone fully charged 60 STR heavy great club R2

>>159930302
4chanx has been having issues

also, is anyone else getting frequently disconnected playing the game lately?
i don't think it's my router config because i haven't changed anything
>>159930325
aight thanks

>>159930325
not just 4chanx

I've been getting server errors trying to mobile shitpost

>>159930029
Light and all those who bear it a shit
>>159930058
>I want to use dark bead, can I use dark bead?
>oh yeah, I live in zimbabwe

test

>>159930585
server and/or hiroshima is fucking up baka senpai

>>159930639
/vg/ in particular, I can post on some other boards just fine.
FUCK MOOK

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>>159930150
you fools

now nobody can stop them

your nerf didn't save a damn thing

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1.22 bursting fireball with unupgraded flame

It's ok, good for spamming at crowds

damage is pretty random, don't know what's up with that

>NG+ Manus
>my claymore deals like fucking nothing to this boss

Why are all these fights so fucking boring as fuck
no wonder I scream in rage when I die and I have to chip off their stupid fucking health over again

>>159930150
A 40 AR hit is VERY substantial for a curved sword, now you can trade with it safely with almost anything, even rapier. It still has a godly curved sword moveset but it's not nearly as broken as it was prior to this patch.

On a negative side, shitters will flock back to estoc and longswords.

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>have killed 5 people now with a single r1 to l1 combo with crow quills in a row
I have a gut feeling they're gonna say Crow Quills are OP just because they didn't level VIT at all like retards.
>>159930794
Probably beacuse some of the fireballs are hitting the same enemy twice, same shit with any spread based projectile.

>>159930826
oh boo hoo

when you're trying to beat him as a mage and your MLGS+5 does sub-80 damage per 2hr1 THEN you can whine

Pestilent Mercury or Snap Freeze?

>>159930897
Murcury if you want area denial for longer just don't walk into it. Shit has a pretty good range on it. Snap freeze is only useful in crowds or against stupid people.

What's a good pyro build for PvE

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Is this thing worth upgrading and using as my main Int weapon?

I've already made it +1 but its not that great yet. Is it worth the titanite scales investement?

>>159930986
14 vig, 29 att, 60 int, 60 fai. Everything else standard pyromancer class. Four spell slots. Great Swamp Ring, Witch's Ring, Sage Ring +2, Fire Clutch Ring.

If you're willing to drop back down to 9 vig, or lose a spell slot, you can pump five points in to str & dex to use the onyx blade one handed.

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>LKGS WA and MH WA trade for a draw

GO
WITH
GOD

>>159930986
Spam chaos fireballs with fire clutch and both pyro boost rings, cast speed ring is not AS necessary but helps a lot if you're not going dex, not really a build per se but a a method I've use on multiple pyro-centric playthroughs

>>159930870
>mage
JUST SPAM DARK BEAD LOL

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>>159930986
feel free to raise str a few points to equip the new healing shield and Onyx sword, then drop th eknight ring, assuming you have the DLC.

>>159930794
Its not great.

Every other projectile-based pyromancy is superior, except for the basic Fireball.

Like, you can potentially score a higher total damage if you luck out and connect with ALL the fireball particles on a single target. But Fire Orb, Chaos Fireball, Vestiges and so on are all superior alternatives.

pcfcbf

Anyone on PC give me a hand with Aldrich? He is bullying me. SL 120+

how is the corona after the patch?

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Rate my Harry Potter cosplay

>Hidden Body for the invisibility cloak
>Great Farron Dart for Stupify
>Crystal Soul Spear for Flipendo
>Twisted Wall for Expeliarmus
>Soul Stream for Expecto Patronum
>Snap Freeze for Petrificas Tortalus

>>159931169
>SL 120
>losing to aldrich

Is Assassin a good starting class for a build that's centered around melee, supplemental sorcery and Moonlight Greatsword?

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is this the most atmospheric fight or what

>>159931169
Password? I'll throw it down at the bridge bonfire

>>159931216
That may be in NG+++, anon.

>>159929546
you know I've seen this pic half a million times now and never actually found source
if anyone could be kind enough

also is it just me or is 4chin fucking up again

>>159931230
>Brilliant soundtrack
>Raving mad boss with fitting dialogue that lends to interesting backstory
>imo sadly hit-and-miss mechanics

It's great but as with many other things in the games, I wish it was better

>>159931167

This early?

>>159931279
4chin seems to be fucking up on mobile devices, at least for me, computer is fine though

>>159931239

Password is NEET

>>159931169
>>159931216
yeah anon what the fuck didnt you know dsg clears the game on -120sl blindfolded and on a nintendo 64?

>>159931306
yeah, it was a terribly easy fight, but i feel that it is forgivable for this one, if none other

>>159931279
>also is it just me or is 4chin fucking up again
got some ip error earlier then connection error
now it seems to be working tho

maybe its the fbi i being onto me iono

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I remember some talk about some retarded DEF loss if you aren't wearing armor on all slots. Like even taking off a cloth hood signifficantly lowered your DEF.

Is this true? How much of a drop is it?

>>159931451
it is

>>159931451
you get like a flat 50% damage reduction or something just for having all slots filled up

it doesnt matter what it is you are wearing but you wanna have all slots filled

>People who disconnect when you invade

holy shit

>>159931348
sign is down but im not getting anything

>>159931410
It's nothing. Resume your online activities, citizen.

t.Not FBI

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>>159931230
I have only reached Irithyll Dungeon at this point so this'd be my pick.

I can't stop listening to that sweet soundtrack.

Honorable mention: The Pursuer's intro cutscene was pretty bad ass. The fight was fun too.

>>159931576
i do that too when im just speedrunning the zones and dont wanna bother with going offline or dealing with the invader on an absolute abysmal character

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>>159931230

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>>159931562
>>159931486
Christ...

From dropped the ball with a lot of shit in DaS3

>>159931657
You're a faggot

either suicide or let the invader kill you

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>that astronomical difficulty spike

Everything was smooth sailing before this area, and this boss completely splatted me, so I went out and upgraded all my armor to +4, my weapon to +4, cleared this area of all enemies by grinding it over and over until they all quit respawning, leveled up to almost level 100, went out and got estus flask shards so I could have 4, and still this boss is such that if I even get hit ONCE I lose because I have to use my estus to heal his passive damage aura

I'm starting to see why this game is considered the worst in the series, this isn't hard, this is just dumb

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All my stuff is refined, is this cancerous enough for sl 80?
I also switch to Winged Knight Halberd and some other dex weapons

>>159931707
why?
so people dont run around naked for the meme and even speedrunners on twitch wear armor?

>>159931562
>>159931486
>>159931451
What the shit? No wonder my dudes always get their shit slapped when, God forbid, I don't want to play with a helm.
Thanks /dsg/

>>159931707
well there is an argument to be made about this lending leniency to armor, which lets you go to town on the fashion souls

Okay, is there a kind anon to help me out here? I recently formatted my PC and lost all my saves and lewds, my bad and I really want to get to a point where I was with my "main" character but that tooks hours upon hours of playing so now I'm considering getting the Collectors Edition but I REALLY do not want to use it for anything else than gaining a fuckton of souls and maybe some equipment that I was super fond of, I've only used CE once before to test stuff out in an early Darkest Dungeon build so I have extremely small amount of knowledge.

>>159931576
>invade
>3v1 w/ passworded phantoms
>parry host
>unironically dc's
I get it if you're a bitch, that's just how some people are, but at that point you're just wasting everyone's time.

>>159931328
im on computer and constantly get connection errors

>>159931707
Only the head part is annoying, I'd say

>>159931732
sure anon meet me at the anor londo bonfire

PASSWORD altf4

>>159931739

>Losing to smelter demon
>At fucking SL100

lolwut

>>159931739
You're bad. Smelter Demon is one of the few completely fair bosses of the game. He is literally the "get gud, the boss", if you are struggling with him then you have been being a shitter so far, winning solely on stats instead of skill. His only problem is being optional.

>>159931796
well i can only speak for myself, my dude

>>159931773
>which lets you go to town on the fashion souls
Except it restricts it unless you want to gimp yourself

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>>159931739
The game wants you to use lifegems, it's active regeneration that completely negates the fire-aura he activates, other than that just don't get splattered, it really isn't THAT hard, your own failings hardly ever attribute to the game's downsides

>>159931775
There's a tutorial for the CE table when you go download it.
If you can read it, you can operate all the basic stuff you need

>>159931761
pyromancer crown is almost invisible if you got a full head of hair
ragged mask is almost invisible with some comfy armors like dragonscale

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>you will never be able to draw
>you will never finish her face

Also reminder that the Witch of Izalith was the best Lord and has the best soul lineage

>>159931746
I can see you get guardbroken.

>>159929294
Anyone tried using their old save after being unbanned?

>>159931847
well i feel that im good enough at the game to the point where i can wear any armor without much consequence, so that can vary from person to person

>>159931861
Thanks, do you know what the general experience is like, do people often get banned over duping stuff? I'm not intending to add "key items" earlier on but again, just dupe souls and get a piece of equipment or two as if someone could have given them to me

>>159931739
The area preceding the Smelter Demon is arguably harder than the boss itself (can be said for a lot of parts in DaS2 fwiw). Smelter Demon is pretty fair, outside the hitbox on his stab (I think) dragging you into walls. Outside that it's just delayed swings and overheads and the immolation you need to deal with - Use lifegems. If you're irredeemably bad, go gram that Gyrm shield with the insane fire defense.

>>159931930
This isn't about skill, this is about that being a retarded mechanic.

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>>159931884
>Witch of Izalith was the best Lord and has the best soul lineage

Bruh she is the Bed of Chaos

She is going to go down in soulshistory as literally the worst boss in the series. She is legitimately so fucking bad that most people block her from memory. She is so fucking bad Miyazaki outright stated she was a mistake. Her backstory isn't even that interesting, it was just some shitty fucking lesson on hubris and how you shouldn't be an arrogant, smug cunt.

Literally the only thing people even like about the character as a whole is the fact that she had a bunch of fictional pretty girls in her fan club that a bunch of fat crusty neckbeards can fawn over. Fuck off.

>>159931739
>a game that showers you with consumable healing items
>the items give a slow regeneration
>smelter demon's aura slowly damages you

How is this hard to figure out?

>>159931746
>quality+int

the fuck is this spread? unless you're a straight up MLG, you may be getting your shit pushed in more often than not

>>159931905

I only block against small weapons. Playing passively with a CMW is wasting precious damage time. I honestly dont know a time where ive been guardbroken. The shield also pulls out a surprise with ricards, i just roll into block the second attack and they roll away so i follow with ricards weapon art.

>>159931935
Just go offline and don't do anything impossible in the game (anything someone could drop for you at HW is fine)
You should be safe, though there was a recent ban wave. I didn't get b& and only doing this was safe to me, but people report multiple experiences

>>159931818
>>159931832
You guys are just jaded. It's a massive difficulty spike over the rest of the game, having to completely stop your progress to spend 4-5 hours grinding just to not get 1 shot is pretty terrible game design. It's literally the same thing as the Star Ocean 5, and people said it was shit in that game, and this isn't any different at all. Having to spend hours grinding to beat a single boss is just dumb.

The only thing that legitimizes it is the fact that it is optional.

>>159931850
>use lifegems
Only reasonable response. That's something that I can actually DO to improve my chances. The boss hits me even once during the entire fight, and I don't have enough estus to keep myself alive from his fire aura long enough to kill him, regardless of how good I am at dodging his attacks (that last fight I got hit literally once the entire fight, and because of that one hit I didn't have enough estus to win because of his fire aura)

>>159931969
well retarded as you may consider it, it is irrelevant to those with the means

im not defending it, but it hasnt ruined my day yet, so im not gonna worry myself over it

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>homosword in team fights
>basically a greatsword with built-in crossbow
>if both poke and beam hits it deals like 500 damage
holy shit this thing is fun

>>159931975
>taking anything a spongbob poster says as facts

Yeah ok buddy!

>>159931969
It helps my immersion, I like it.
If a faggot wants to fight me naked, he'd better be good enough to be allowed to look like a retard

>>159931591

I never saw yours either, don't know what's up. I'll attempt to solo! R1 spam on my dex build, here goes.

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>>159931975
>just some shitty fucking lesson on hubris and how you shouldn't be an arrogant, smug cunt.

>>159932008
lifegem anon here, sorry if response was passive-aggressive, I just feel like people give the game a little bit too hard of a time because of it's stigma. Something to keep in mind is that adaptability-stat and subsequently the agility that it affects makes your estus-chugging faster as well as increasing iframes, but really, don't feel bad about the lifegems, people bash it for allowing you to buy infinite amounts of them but those people seem to be the type that need an infinite supply to get them through zones, just pop one here and there as you need them and you'll be fine, the bigger/radiant gems should last you through the fire phase, and as a last tip, if you have a strike-damage type weapon it works wonders on many of the bosses due to just about all of them being plated monsters etc, good luck!

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I pirated DS2 because I heard it was shit. I actually like it and intend to buy it. Anything I should know about later patches, how online works in DS2 vs. DS1, necessary mods, meta shittery, etc?

Have a Lucatiel in exchange.

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Alright, /dsg/. It's time to vote.
Which Dark Souls game has your favorite parry sound effect?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4AIwbw-J_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzwKv0A12DE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex44EKkKv2A

http://www.strawpoll.me/11624101

>>159931279
Hirame

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>>159932124
>>159932090
>>159931975
What is it about this time that brings out all the DaS2 fags? It's literally every night

>>159932138
The PARRY sounds are god tier on ALL OF THEM.
>That soulcrunching clank of DS2
>Ball-kick slam in DS3
>Gut-punch of DS1


>>159932181
I just didn't find it that bad of a game, open mind anon, open mind

>>159932138
Demon's Souls.

https://youtu.be/efsG2UShiVw?t=44

>>159929294
>embed
FUCKING NIGGERS REEEEEEEE

>>159931657
then speedrun the zones offline or just run to the boss you numpty

>>159931975
>She is going to go down in soulshistory as literally the worst boss in the series.
I'm trying to think of a worse one to refute that statement but you're probably right.
BoC makes even the forgettable crap like Dragon God and Leechmonger from DeS seem better by comparison.

>>159932124
Last time I played was when Aldia was added to the original release after all the DLC was released.
But expect to be trading hits with Chaos Blades, to be hit by crystal rapiers for stupid amounts of damage, and the occasional estoc turtle.
I didn't much care for DaS2's pvp very much because this sort of thing was prevalent throughout it's life time, though I can't tell if DaS3 or 2 are worse about this currently.

>>159931975
>Bruh she is the Bed of Chaos
It's not her fault she was given a bad boss fight. her lore is neato

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>>159931884
get on my level

>>159932124
Buy Scholar of the First Sin, since it's more populated and comes with all the DLC and some extra goodies.

You can be invaded while hollow, but the chance is extremely low.
Online interaction can be restricted if you burn a Human Effigy at an area's bonfire.

Mods will be detected by anti-cheat and get you softbanned, so don't download/install any.

>>159932138
DaS1 > DaS3 > DaS2. As usual.

>>159932138
DaS1 > DaS2 > DaS3
Doesn't matter though, all of them are really good.

>>159931975
>Her backstory isn't even that interesting, it was just some shitty fucking lesson on hubris and how you shouldn't be an arrogant, smug cunt.
Let's see you replace the first flame you shitter.

>>159932230
The reason I did not include Demon's Souls in the end was because it sounded too similar to DS1's. I was also originally going to post that same video.

>>159932230
Man the atmosphere in DeS is so fucking good.

>>159932230
This

>>159932181
The "DaS2 fags" are always here, we just don't talk about it all that often because all the "bee-teem" memesters lose their shit.

The game is weaker than the rest, sure, but the hate it gets is meme-level unfair

>>159932124
DS2 is the last souls game released so far to have OP magic, as far as melee goes Ice Rapier is an op weapon because you can stab with it and it launches soul spears, Drake Wing GS is also really fucking good

look up what bonfire ascetics are and what you can get from them, also pick bonfire ascetic as your starting item, its the best one objectively

first time you fight pursuer, parry him and then shoot him with the nearby ballista instead of riposting, he will die in literally like 2-3 shots

hexes are the most op form of magic, especially the spells that cost souls to cast like resonant soul and resonant weapon/greater resonant weapon

there are two boss weapon smiths in the game, the first one only gives you shit so dont bother with him, the second one, a half crow chick, is where the good shit comes from

MOST IMPORTANTLY, try and level ADP up until you have at least 100 agility (AGL) which will give you enough iframes to be the same as DS1

>>159931657
Fucking retard. Just unember/go offline. It's way less effort than disconnecting.

>>159932008
Raise your fire resistance. He is legitimately much easier than many of the previous bosses.

>>159931739
>can't beat smelter at sl100
XD fucking hell /dsg/ is so bad at souls

>>159932276
>Last time I played was when Aldia was added to the original release after all the DLC was released.
Aldia wasn't originally in the game?

>>159932230
>You've taken a human's Soul. What a superb demon!

Holy shit that's so CUTE. DeS just has this JP charm that I can't describe.

Hey I can finally post again? /pol/ finished spooking the spooks over the pizza?

thank fucking christ

>>159932423
nuuupe

its really fucking cool when he appears too, especially if you played vanilla DS2, its just so new and exciting to me

btw he appears in a jumpscare fashion so prepare your ass for that shit

>>159932412
>/dsg/ is one guy

Has it ever occured to you that the people who don't have as much trouble with the games don't need to post about it here? People are much more likely to post when they want to complain or need help.

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guys

guys

which backup weapon would be suitable for a character with sorceries+mlgs with 45 int? I'm thinking a spear, or something.

soul levels for str/dex are limited.

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>>159932279
hawt. mai new waifu

>>159932276
>But expect to be trading hits with Chaos Blades, to be hit by crystal rapiers for stupid amounts of damage, and the occasional estoc turtle.
So it's a lot like DS1 PVP :^)

>>159932350
>The game is weaker than the rest, sure, but the hate it gets is meme-level unfair
Agree.
It barely even deserves the right to be counted as a Soulsborne but it is miles and miles above most other games.

>>159932474
Longsword is the best weapon in the game

>>159932351
Will people hate me for using those weapons or hexes? I don't want to be a complete asshole. Just have reasonable fun and be able to win. A shame Hexes are OP because they look really cool.

I notice catalysts don't have a magadjust anymore. What's the deal there?

>>159931884
why is reverse corruption/purification so good

>>159932474
>>159932520

Just got my PS4Pro for BB 60fps, only to find out it needs a patch. Anyone know when that will come out. Been looking forward to this ever since the announcement so I sold my car and been biking to and from work. Anyone know when the patch will be released?

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>>159932520
>there will never be a straight sword variant with a long range spear moveset for its 2h attacks in the style of half-swording

>>159932541
Don't worry, the worst phase of Hexing has passed
Batstaff dark fog

>>159932464
On release his audio levels were all kinds of fucked up. It was LOUD AS SHIT. Like, significantly louder than the original bugged Mirror Knight fight. Except he appears literally out of nowhere in a location you absolutely don't expect. I grabbed a glass of water as I was hitting the bonfire and seriously launched that shit across the god damn room.

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>>159932520

>>159932497
This.

Its the worst Souls game by far, but its still one of the best realtime combat fantasy games of all time, along with the rest of the series.

>>159932602
His appearance-explosion sound wasn't tied to the in-game sound effects setting for some reason so for me it always played at the volume my windows was set to, horrifying

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>>159932551
That's not even my fetish. I just think her character design is great. Probably would be an interesting NPC if she were properly in the game though.

>>159932474
Greatsword of Judgement looks stylish. If not, any longsword. Dark Sword actually looks pretty great when buffed with magic weapon.

@159932569
bait so bad it doesn't even deserve a you

>>159932590
Fuck you for making me want this.

>>159932493
>so it's like das1 pvp
DaS1 was shitty for different reasons, I mean you'll be hard-pressed to get a backstab on most people in DaS2 if my memory serves me right, especially since there were armor pieces that prevented backstabs entirely. By comparison DaS2 is way more about actual offense, whereas in DaS1 it was pretty much entirely about backstabs and countering backstabs and then countering those counters because of how large the radius for scoring one was and how easy it was to get behind an enemy. And if it wasn't that it was poise stacking and using either abyss magic, estoc turtling, or gold tracer r1 spam.
Neither is very fun to me, I had more fun DeS and Bloodorne.

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>tfw you discover the true power of no lockon pvp

http://www.strawpoll.me/11624152
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>>159932541
catalysts will directly boost damage of course, and people might get typicals souls style salty if you do that stuff yeah, but i have my doubts because, while still strong, hexes have recieved MANY nerfs in damage since vanilla, but again, they're still good

it is worth keeping in mind that catalysts have their own cast speed modifiers, i.e you can cast spells faster with some, but slower with others

straight swords are perhaps as balanced as it gets purely in my opinion, very simplistic and useful, but not nearly as strong/OP as in DS3

also you can powerstance weapons in DS2, which is really cool, requires you to have 50% above the minimum stats for each weapon though

aaannnnd if you cast magic, like at all, you;re gonna wanna wear a headpiece called the hexer's hood, it gives extra uses for spells, although the lion mage set increases cast speed, well, theres more armor that has passive shit on it in general in DS2

lastly the Bell Tower covenant is the best, and i mean the BEST way to get upgrade mats

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anyone else stuck here?

>>159932764
Reminder that if you don't vote Pygmy, you are literally the undead ruining it for the rest of us.

I wish ds2 didn't have soul memory. Fuck you agape ring.

>>159931975
>Literally the only thing people even like about the character as a whole is the fact that she had a bunch of fictional pretty girls in her fan club

Now, i'm not going to refute this

because i'm too busy coping with the fact that I will never be able to marry one

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>>159932764
These poll results are 2spooky

They should just do away with catalysts or make a long sword that lets me cast spells with it's WA instead of the useless one LS have now.

Why the fuck didn't they ever go back to the interconnected world of DaS1? I don't think anyone was like 'man I preferred warping to different linear areas like in DeS!'. The level design in DaS1 was praised for its interconnectivity, being able to see past/future areas in the distance, coming out of an area to discover it leads into one you've been to before, etc. and then they just want straight back to the 'warp to the new area branch' linear level design. They really needed to go in the other direction. Less bonfires, and more actual adventuring through areas.

Obviously at some point you should gain the ability to warp, but it should be an end-game thing, only to facilitate weapon upgrading, visiting certain merchants, co-op and PvP, and shit like that.

The levels themselves remained great but it's just not the same, and you don't get the same sense of scale when you can warp to bonfires that are about 200 meters apart. You never have to backtrack using the shortcuts you unlocked to take you back and forth between areas. The only purpose the shortcuts serve is to create progression, as opposed to actually being bridges between areas.

pls thank me for sharing

>>159932590
That would a be a pretty sick stance weapon art.
Weapon arts really feel like a missed opportunity since a lot of them are what were or would be R2s in previous games tied to a meter and are only usable when two-handing a weapon or using a very tiny selection of shields that let you do them.
If it were up to me they would all be different stances.

>>159932819
>I wish ds2 didn't have soul memory. Fuck you agape ring.
This sounds like something I should know about.

>>159932818
He's literally the worst Lord though. He's not even a character/boss in-game so he shouldn't even be in the poll.

>>159932819
I love that fucking ring, it's a sunbro's best friend. That said, soul memory is completely fucking retarded.

>>159932891
the ring stopped you from gaining souls i think, so if you wanted to minimize SM gain, you NEEDED it

>>159932932
heck off you stinky twink

>>159932754
playing unlocked is basically required for most spells

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>>159931975
>Literally the only thing people even like about the character as a whole
I like that she actually tried something new instead of desperately clinging to remnants (Gwen) or surrendering to entropy. Yeah, she fucked up. But she was doing something that had never been done and I like that moxy. I also think all the chaos stuff looks pretty neato, and Quelaag was one of my favorite bosses. I really wish Chaos Servants wasn't such a limited covenant.

>>159932901
Shouldn't you be outside basking in the gross incandescence of your beloved sun, dog of the Gods?

>>159932872
DeS had interconnecting levels, it just wasnt one big world

>>159932754
This game is 100% easier without lockon in both PvE and PvP.

>>159932872
It was amazing. Truly a one of a kind game, wish they had gone back to that formula too.

>>159932901
>Pygmy
>He

>>159932964
well i never even bought the ring even once, but it's easy to see what it's used for

which is fucking retarded because the ENTIRE POINT of soul memory was to minimize twinks

>>159933037
????

>>159933037
>Pygmy
>Pyg
>my
>pig
>me

I am a fat manlet

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>>159932764
>>159932818

>not voting for papa skelly keeping Gwyn and the Witches' shenanigans in a status quo with his death magic

>>159932987
I know that?

wut

>>159933095
Reminder that Nito fapped into the Flame of Chaos just as the ritual completed and that's why it went full Warhammer 40k.

>>159929530
none of your armour matches, especially the helmet

try for stuff with similar colours next time

>>159932975
She tryd to remake the first flame before Gwyn did anything. If anything I think its clear she didnt care much about the age of light since she had the life soul not the light soul. Much like nito, she had her own plans and clearly just wanted more power. She fucked up big time and not for any noble or moral cause but for personal gain and paid the price.

Her boss fight is shit but lore is good i think.

>>159933139
segmented stuff you have to warp to was fine, as long as the levels were good, is what im saying

>had a dream where i played das3 using quellog fury sword
dlc confirmed?

>>159933187
>had a dream where i had sex with a hot woman

LOSING MY VIRGINITY COMFIRMED!?


PLS

>>159931884
>>you will never be able to draw
If you can hold a pencil then you can draw.

>>159932358
I'm just giving up for now, I got him to the last hit but I iframed his thrust attack and it somehow threw me into the wall and I got stuck/glitched into the wall and I lost on the last hit, so I guess I'm just going to go do the rest of the game and come back to this last, I'm obviously too shitty or whatever to win, and I can't buy lifegems because my souls are stuck in the boss room, and I can't get them out because I can't beat the boss and I can't afford a homeward bone because my souls are stuck in the boss room

At least since I literally cleared the entire area I can just run to the next zone without any interference, even if I can't use the bonfire that's closest

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>>159932872
Not him, but another thing that makes it hard to take the later games seriously are moments where there is literally 20 seconds of walking distance between certain bonfires.

Like take the first one at the top of the wall once you're flown to Undead Settlement. Completely fucking useless.

>>159933234
I'm not a hot woman
I'm not even a woman.
But I can help you arrange losing your virginity.

>>159932764
>Nito has as many votes as all other lords combined

How can the living even compete?

>>159932872

It feels like DaS3 received similar treatment as DaS2 in some ways. For example Gundyr was moved from Oceiros' room to Firelink, Wolnir was originally where Yhorm is and the High Wall might have been Ludleth's area (Lothric was called Lodeleth in the early versions).

>>159932853
Make a staff weapon type.

>largely Blunt/Standard damage
>r1s are physical attacks, 1hr1 is like the club 1h moveset, 2hr1 is similar to halberd 2h moveset

>R2 in either grip casts the active spell, can be charged to boost effects or duration of spell (offensive spells get a damage boost and/or boosted effects, buffs last longer or have slightly improved effects, AoE spells get damage boost and boosted effects/area of effect)

L1 is blocking and L2 is weapon art obviously

>>159933174
>since she had the life soul not the light soul
Still tied to the First Flame. Though less so once she made the Flame of Chaos. Incidentally I like that the Life element in Dark Souls is Fire, not Earth. Nice change from the hippy shit in most settings.

>Much like nito, she had her own plans and clearly just wanted more power.
Like everyone. You act like that's mutually exclusive with being "noble or moral".

>not for any noble or moral cause but for personal gain and paid the price.
She took a terrible risk for the sake of her people and lost. She was an real hero and a real (in)human being.

>>159933157
Not only does that make no sense but it didnt happen.

>>159932764
>Poll getting fucking gravelorded

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

>>159932975
>tried something new

False, she specifically wanted to remake something akin to the first flame because it gives you and your bffs a fuckton of power, it was a cause about as noble as the Manhattan Project and with results just as similar

tfw you want to play das3 with your bb hunter
tfw you want to play bb with your ashen one

they have the same fucking engine just let me play das3 with my saw cleaver and dashes; and let me play bb with my knight and bleed people to death with anris

>>159933241
>you will never consider learning to draw worthwhile because you aren't particularly talented at the required skills and the payoff would never be worth the large time investment

Setup parry with small shield doesn't work anymore, what am I doing wrong?

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Guys
What if
Nito was responsible for deaths in DaS universe
And with his fading the curse was born?

>>159933315
You can't prove it doesn't or it didn't.

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>Unkindled have a Darksign that allows them to warp back to the last bonfire at cost of dropping all souls, just like the previous games
>But in order to hollow you need to get Dark Sigils from Yoel

So Unkindled are just special undead that are also afflicted by the Darksign?

>>159933301
Not sure how being tied to the first flame means anything. And im unaware of a reason her people would need more power for any reason. Life wasnt dying out like light was. When i say for no noble reason i mean it benifited no one but herself. Gwyn's linking of course helped him but also every being based in light. He and the pygmy are the only lords that sacrificed for others. Its not a bad thing and makes sense but the witch had no reason to even try remaking a first flame.

>>159933420
All hollows are undead but not all undead are hollows

I just CE item swapped a Homeward Bone into many many basic soul items. I hope I'm not fucked and I promise to you papa dsg, it's not going to be a downward slope from here

>>159933345
>False, she specifically wanted to remake something akin to the first flame
No one had ever done that before.

>it was a cause about as noble as the Manhattan Project and with results just as similar
A very noble cause by people wanting to protect their nation that brought great benefits to the world? You like Chaos even more than I do. I think that's maybe giving her too much credit.

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>>159933297
A couple new staff WA would be cool too:

>Blast: Creates concussion similar to Force miracle.
>Shield: Creates forward facing energy shield capable of absorbing spells.

I just desperately want spellcasters to be fun again...

>>159931008
YES

upgrade that shit nigga

DaS2 story best store in all the series
you can't debate me on this
for i am immune to the curse

>>159933463
>A very noble cause by people wanting to protect their nation that brought great benefits to the world?

The cause isn't noble. Everyone benefit by it, the world is probably safer because of it, but the cause itself wasn't noble. The cause was "shit on your enemies so hard you redefine warfare". Izalith was "recreate the flame so poorly you open a gate to hell"

>>159933183
I agree to an extent. DeS had really good world design as well. Tower of Latria was incredible.

I just preferred the ability to go from one part of the world to another without having to warp, or because you'd have to because you hadn't unlocked warping yet. It's an experience they never managed to replicate in the sequels. It actually felt like you could get lost in the world and you'd have to adventure to hopefully find an area that leads back to familiar territory.

You'd wonder things like "I wonder how I'm going to get back to Firelink from here" and shit like that, and learning your way through the world was really rewarding. There's just no need for that in DaS2/3 because you warp everywhere.

BB did a pretty good job of combining the two but still didn't match DaS1, and you still mostly just warped everywhere.

>>159933353
It does, it's probably just latency. Setup parries are really risky unless you have a good feel for how much delay there is between you and your opponent. Are you trying to parry the third or second swing? Parrying the second swing requires a really good connection to your opponent, the third is more reliable but still has the same issue with latency.

>>159933405
That's practically canon. What of it?

>>159933434
>Not sure how being tied to the first flame means anything.
It matters for her as much as it matters for Gwyn. THey have different spheres but both their powers derive from the first flame.

>And im unaware of a reason her people would need more power for any reason.
Because the First Flame was fading, and them with it. Just like with Gwyn and his progeny, with the power of Death, and with everything except Dark.

> Its not a bad thing and makes sense but the witch had no reason to even try remaking a first flame.
It's like you don't even read spell and item descriptions.

So far, DS3 feels kinda easy. But that's to be expected when you already played through the previous 2.

>>159933405
I still don't get how people can 'die' or be 'killed' in souls, if everyone is undead and immortal anyway. How do you kill Artorias or any other human boss? If you take someone's soul, do they die?

>>159933530
Didn't help BB was ultimately one straight line with it's only deviations being Cainhurst and School 1F

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>>159933405
You mean the curse that'd been around since before his fading?
Dumbass.

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>>159933496
Are you sure you're not rusing me? A quick google told me the sword at least WASN'T very good a few months ago.

Did it get improved in patching?

>>159933524
>everyone benefits from it
>the people working on it knew the potential benefit and were actively working towards it
>but uh...like, war and stuff, so it's evil. Also ban nuclear power!
Fucking hippy.

>Izalith was "recreate the flame so poorly you open a gate to hell"
Izalith was "Oh fuck the flame is burning out we need a way to fix that permanently". Unfortunately some variables were off and she got the metaphysical equivalent of cancer.

>>159933353
Depends. Trying to setup parry 1H greatswords post patch for example doesn't work reliably on anything but good latency, whereas previously you could do it reliably on high latency. Everything else should be the same, i.e also still reliant on latency. With how the netcode in this game is, they honestly aren't worth it - Keep a small shield on you when you're playing against someone that doesn't vary his timing and the connection is good, but use a fist weapon as a parry tool instead.

Anon suffering on Aldrich here. I finally had an attempt where he didn't cast rain of arrows and I was able to just R1 spam him to death. God I love RNG.

>>159933562
It would be extremelly painful

My ultra fume greatsword +4 is too slow to kill Pontiff, what to do?
Last tike I've played I was using darksword and he was easy, but now I'm struggling, he's too fast.

So,the consensus is that the DS2 DLC multiplayer areas are lackluster and unrewarding. They feel thrown together with lazy bosses.

So, whom would you have liked to have been the bosses in those areas?

>>159933562

>Everyone is dead and immortal

Only some. Like 99% of the world(s) population died.

As for the undead... Your character dies when you stop playing and never pick the game up again.

I FUCKING HATE NG+ GWYN

STUPID FUCKING PARRY TIMING AND THE FUCKING LONG ASS MILLION YARD WALK TO HIS BOSS ROOM

>>159933592
You're retarded if you think something can't be both necessary and ugly. Because that's effectively what war is. War is never good but that doesn't mean it should never happen. Retard.

>>159933416
It doesnt because hes the gravelord with the DEATH soul, how the fuck would him doing anything with the LIFE soul make life? It didnt happen because if the Lord of death did something to life it could only be death. So why the fuck would a death lords cum mixed with the life soul make life? Wouldnt it make death? Demons arent undead.
>>159933405
He is 'responsible' for them but was only fading because undead dont die, so he doesnt grow in power, not related to fading of the light directly.
>>159933420
You can hollow without londor, you just cant become a lord. We dont see the effects of hollowing as ashen ones because of embers.
>>159933541
I get why we disagree atleast. Im not at all under the impression the fire was fading when she nuked herself. I dont think it was fading because there where pyromancers in oolicle. Manus wasnt awoken till then and so for the most part shit wasnt too fucked. If pyromancy was a school at that point it must have been some years since izalith. So unless she can see into the future, she had nothing to fear.

>>159933420
I'm half convinced Miyazaki makes stuff up as he goes
>>159933592
>nuclear power
>same thing as nuclear bombs

>>159933650
Gank squad is always invaders OR summons
2kat is under a constant obscuring blizzard effect

>>159933643
Parry him.

>>159933643
just roll to the right/left rather than forwards or backwards and use running/rolling attacks

>>159933502
Objectively correct.

>>159933562
>How do you kill Artorias or any other human boss?
Artorias wasn't human. Well, I guess in a way he was due to the Abyss corruption. But nah.

>If you take someone's soul, do they die?
Yeah. You leave them with nothing to even keep them going as a hollow.

>>159933564
People not staying dead is because the power of death is defined by the First Flame, which was itself fading.

>>159933571
it got buffed a while ago and greatswords in general are good after poise patch

plus it's /fa/

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>We'll never get a true Allant throwback

Look at what he's wearing. What the fuck. Why does Allant look like a space emperor.

>>159933562
Because only humans can actually become undead. Giants can die. Gods can die. They eventually come back in another cycle, but when you kill them dead, they're donezo for an indefinite period of time, whereas the hollows/undead reanimate in a very short period of time (Grave Wardens are literally only there to repeatedly kill other undead)

>>159933659
So what is everyone trying to cure? Being undead? So they can die?

>>159933720
>Why

Because Japanese character design.

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>>159933637
>It would be extremelly painful
You're a primal human.

>>159933659
>Your character dies when you stop playing and never pick the game up again.

Actually, I think that's supposed to be when your character goes hollow, i.e. mad.

Your character's "psyche" (you) couldn't deal with dying over and over again and just stopped making progress, just like what happens whenever NPCs go hollow.

>>159933720
Friede/Maria are both effectively the same fucking thing as Allant was except their grab attacks are less telegraphed because they don't drain your levels. In fact, i'd argue Blackflame Friede is harder than Allant.

>>159933720
That's pretty standard wear for most royals in early 1800's or something. Boletaria was considered a very advanced civilization before Allant fucked it all up.

>>159933671
>backtracking

>>159933678
>>nuclear power
>>same thing as nuclear bombs
Guess where the impetus to develop that tech came from.

>>159933676
The flame was already fading by the time of Oolacile.

>>159933720
Because Japan are all about muh military/naval uniforms.

They are so culturally fascist once you start noticing it.

>>159933737
>Cure

Nothing. There is no cure. The only purpose an undead even has is purpose itself, lose purpose and you effectively become a resident of Hell where you just waddle around dying over and over.

>>159933769
what does chewing embers/humanity/effigies do then? and why did it shift from liquid humanity to embers? What even were the humanity spirits in manus's area (the abyss?)

>>159932754

>tfw you discover the true power of no lockon+kb&m pvp
Only against single targets though. When there is more than one person memeing at me I can't multitask well enough to move the cam manually and deal with their shit

>>159933552
Honestly it was easier. Even with experience from the previous games the bosses are definitely not as challenging because they just have less health. Most bosses only took me a couple attempts and I never felt like I really struggled with anything aside from Nameless King. Freide was also pretty challenging for me but I feel like that depends a lot on what NG you were on and what level you were.

BB felt a lot more difficult by comparison, especially the DLC bosses. Obviously it's hard to judge though since the games will inevitably get easier the more you play them.

>>159933563
Yeah it was kinda disappointing. I spent ages in Yharnam/Cathedral Ward and felt like the rest of the game's areas would follow suit, and then there was shit like Byrgenwerth and Old Yharnam that didn't physically lead anywhere/teleported you somewhere else.

There were a few neat moments like discovering the back entrance Iosefka's clinic, though.

>>159933732
>They eventually come back in another cycle,
Well, maybe, sort of kind of? I mean just because you have the same lord soul as Gwyn doesn't mean you're Gwyn.

>>159933732
what's manus then? was he human?

>>159933420
Ashen Ones are like undead specifically engineered as a failsafe in case no one keeps linking the fire. They're "unkindled" because their souls are potential kindling for a fading fame. Just think if you could have a dead guy on standby who's also effectively immortal, and who also has a very low chance of going hollow due to the nature of the curse being different. Even in DS1 it was implied that people could voluntarily become undead but standard undeath has that fatal flaw that you inevitably go hollow. Ash is just the in-world term for that phenomenon of being undead but not necessarily at risk to hollow. The perfect killing machine if you've got some stray Lords of Cinder not doing their fucking jobs.
It's not supposed to be 100% clear and I pulled some of this out of my ass until the gerbil bit me.

>>159933816
>Guess where the impetus to develop that tech came from.
that's irrelevant and you're strawmanning. don't use fallacies if you want to be taken seriously

>>159933737
The Undead Curse is more of a symptom than a disease itself. Well, except for the hollowing part.

Hey guys what if...From never even thought about any of this stuff at all and just threw together stuff that looked cool, just leaving it for the fans to figure out later then pretending the lore was 2deep?

>>159933650
Gank squad should have been Old Monk 2.0. Something as unique as the reindeer would have worked to replace LMAO 2CAT, constantly appearing and disappearing and the players are unable to lock on to it. Literally anything other than Smelter Demon 2.0 would be an improvement.

>>159933816
>backtracking

He wasn't. You're edgy as fuck if you think Nukes, while having tremendous benefits, aren't conceptually horrible things.

>inb4 THEY'RE NOT BAD BECAUSE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF CIVILIAN CASUALTIES AREN'T BAD BECAUSE I SAID SO XD

Why are we discussing politics on /dsg/?

>>159933931
i get what people say when the game doesn't have 'plot' so much as it has lore

>>159933643
if you stay very close in phase 1, he will only do good attacks. you can walk under side swipes and he won't follow up, you can roll to the right when he does slide into swipe and he won't interrupt the combo and you will recover in a safe spot where his next attack won't hit and you can walk to the right to avoid slide into swipe and he won't interrupt it. you can punish every attack with a R1 and you can punish slide into swipe with R2 if you don't walk too far away from him
in phase 2, it's good to stay very close and do rolling R1s after the real pontiff does the attack, but it's unreliable because phase 2 is bugged. with that weapon, you can probably kill the clone on spawn or at least finish the fight before anything weird happens. the real pontiff can attack independently from the clone if you get near his side, so it's better to stay in front of him all the time

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>>159933564
>You mean the curse that'd been around since before his fading
We don't know for sure what was earlier. Nito's contemporaries were mortal.
>Dumbass.
Rude

>>159933887

More human than anything else in the series

>>159932646
yeah i was just memeing mostly

it would've be nice to see her or maybe both of them as npcs, but on the other hand i think part of why their little story works so well is that just being told about it gives it a little extra bit of that fairy tale feeling, yknow? i feel like it wouldn't be as evocative if it was told in the present tense through direct interaction, instead of being like a description of a poem.

but that's mostly personal preference, and mainly because the whole image of the despairing knight on his quest really reminds me of the first part of william morris' poem about galahad on christmas

>Heartless and stupid, with no touch of awe
>Upon me, half-shut eyes upon the ground,
>I thought: O Galahad! the days go by,
>Stop and cast up now that which you have found,
>So sorely you have wrought and painfully.
>Night after night your horse treads down alone
>The sere damp fern, night after night you sit
>Holding the bridle like a man of stone,
>Dismal, unfriended: what thing comes of it?

>>159933887
Manus was the most human thing in the whole game. He was probably the first actual human. Look at his arm and how closely it resembles a primate. Primal man.

>>159933349
Talent is just your starting point. Drawing is entirely skill based. The only difference between a good artist as a kid and the other kids is the skilled artist just never stopped practicing.

>>159933961
Every board is /pol/ to /pol/tards

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>>159933924
>I have no rebuttal so I will accuse you of (incorrect) fallacies

>>159933934
His point was that they were objectively bad and a mistake. Like the flame of chaos. Now they're a necessary evil. It's backtracking.

>inb4 THEY'RE NOT BAD BECAUSE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF CIVILIAN CASUALTIES AREN'T BAD BECAUSE I SAID SO XD
Nukes have killed far less people than conventional bombing campaigns you historical illiterate. Look up the firebombings of Dresden or Tokyo sometime.

Anyone have a bit of time for a brother on ps4? I need help with Consumed King, my builds lacking at the moment thanks to some stupid decisions.
Pass is dsg
Sign out the front of the boss door if youre interested

>>159933987
how come you can kill him then? and why does he create the abyss? is the abyss completely unrelated to the fading of the fire?

>>159934013
I don't get how /pol/tards continually fail to realize their board is just /fur/ for the current decade.

>>159933696
>>159933701
>>159933965
Thanks, I'll bash his head in

>>159933987
His YUGE arm was a result of overindulging on humanity though, not a feature he started with.

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>>159934025
Actually, the word "mistake" was never used. The terms were along the lines of "ugly" and "not noble." You can go ahead and look back, i'll give you a bit to get off your fat ass and move the goalposts, nigger.

>>159934059
Because you guys are too dumb to report and move on

>>159934052
Manus creates the abyss because humans are dark, and dark is human. It's like how every light casts a shadow; every human is made of dark. Makes sense for the first, and thus oldest, to create the most powerful darkness.

>>159934052

You never killed Manus. Manus turned into lots of cute waifus, fragments of Manus. Karla is probably one of them too.
You can't kill him for good in any normal way, it seems.

>>159933962
And it barely even has lore really. Just hints scattered that imply there might, maybe, be lore.

>>159934094
Not noble, purely going power mad, hubris, etc etc. You know what you meant.

>>159933637
You're a big guy.

>>159933816
Im not saying it wasnt but if its been such a long time since izalith that pyromancy is a known type of magic then the fires been 'fading' for quite a long fucking time.
I guess your idea is fire starts fading so the witch tries to remake a first flame to prevent it, fucks up and because of her fuck up Gwyn's time is spent holding back the demon hoards till oolacile fucks his knights up and he gets desperate?

>fight a guy with an ultra since the defense buff
>400 ar weapon hits him for 100 to 200 damage
>opponent comes up on top 100% of the time if they're not stupid and can time their hyperarmor right
>shit netcode makes it a pain to consistently interrupt poise between swings

Is it time for dexfags to ditch fast weapons and go for a full greatsword meta?

>>159933961
Because some autists think comparing everything to the nuclear bomb is profound and useful.

>>159934124
And not being noble, going power-mad, and hubris are all not "objectively bad". Some of those are considered qualities of a good leader. Ugly, but necessary, something i've said about 3 times and what you ignored every time because you wanted to post >LE HIPPY and >LE FEDORA TIPPER

>>159934052
>kill him

Except for the part where apparently every single woman in DS2 is Manus reborn. Almost like he's... unkillable. Unable to be made dead. Un...deadable? Something like that.

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>>159933834
Humanity are pieces of the Dark Soul. Essentially the Dark Soul is the "primordial energy" that the Pilgrim picked up, and then used to spawn humans, who were just fine until the undead curse came around.

Consuming bits of it strengthens the chosen undead's connection to life and makes it easier to maintain sanity. Not that hard to figure, since we know exactly what hollowing is. The Dark Sign or The Curse symbol that marks an undead's flesh is essentially a "hole" where humanity "leaks out".

>why did it shift from liquid humanity to embers

Humanity is never specified as "liquid", but as to why its "embered" in 3? Its because at that point we're at the END of an age of fire. If you remember from DaS1 humanity was usable as fuel for the flame, so naturally at the end of an age of fire, most if not all humanity would be reduced to ashes or embered shells of its former power.

I'm not exactly sure how effigies fit into this though. I sort of brushed off DaS 2 entire story/plot as fanfiction.

>>159933986
I get what you mean, but I kept assuming from the descriptions that they'd show up at some point, if only as tragic hollows walking in circles around each other or something.

>>159934005
>everyone is literally equal in all ways
God you're dumb, Lucifer

>>159934052
>how come you can kill him then

Nashandra called to tell you that her and the gorrilion fragments of him are still going strong.

>>159934228
>I sort of brushed off DaS 2 entire story/plot as fanfiction.
Nice stale meme there

>>159934218
You changed your tune and went all pragmatic when backed into a corner. And you're mad as hell it was pointed out. End of story, end of dumb derail.

>>159933420
you can be undead and not have a darksign you know

>>159933825
My type of country desu.

>>159934291
Thanks for admitting defeat :^)

>>159934005
You ain't got shit on Garoth Ursuul. Let's see your vir, nigger.

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>>159934147
>You're a big guy.
FOR DUSK

>>159934163
>then the fires been 'fading' for quite a long fucking time.
That's the impression I had. Thuogh the timeline in regards to the falls of Izalith, Oolacile, and New Londo are not at all clear in terms of which order they occurred in.

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>>159934324
> :^)

desu i was going to report you but then i saw this emote and realized it is related to the general and its particularly braindamaged fanbase that is still convinced DaS2 is worth playing

thanks m8

>>159934398
qB^)

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>>159934172
>defense buff

>>159934368
Oolacile fell first.
New Londo and Izalith probably fell within a very short time span of one another.

>>159934398
That guy's dumb but DaS2 is good and cool.

Anyone Soul Level 140+ want to come help a shitter out with the Nameless King? PC.

>>159934228
>>159934240
So, what's the deal with Iudex Gundyr's timeline? Do you somehow go back in time through Oceiros's back door? Is that timeline essentially saying that even if someone refuses (or fails to) link the first flame, someone else will come along? If not, why is it ever necessary to even play the game, since they will essentially fade on their own.

>>159934453
CASE
:^)
IN
:^)
POINT
:^)

worst fucking general on /vg/ holy shit

>>159934449
What makes you say that?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want to know why you're right. See I'd thought that New Londo fell before Oolacile, because I'd thought that was where Artorias made his covenant with Kaathe. Then he and the sealer successfully put down the Four Kings (meaning Gwy had already left to link the fire) only for Kaathe to pull his snake thing on Oolacile and Artorias to become corrupted trying to stop the new eruption of Dark.

>>159934481
what's the password?

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>>159934275
>he's still butthurt his infallible folded 1000 times nippon game company made a mediocre game

There are a lot of good things about Dark Souls 2, but the story and plot are NOT among them.

>>159934487
>Do you somehow go back in time through Oceiros's back door?

Yes. If you talk to the handmaiden in "dark" Firelink before meeting her in the "real" Firelink, her dialogue shows she vaguely remembers you from her past.

>>159934554
DSG