/tesg/ ~ The Elder Scrolls General

waifus and lore burning in hell

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>>159482163
That's not how it goes

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>>159482163
D:

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xth for non-canonically killing your waifu kills your game

Alright, I'll port over Wear Robes Over Armor and Vastly More Unique Visage of Mizund

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>>159482297
F

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>NMM still down

>>159482424
It was working fine for a few minutes but it's broken again. Why don't the Nexus jews buy more servers to handle the load?

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Hello Morrowind my old friend.

What's your computer RPG experience, /tesg/? Mine literally boils down to

>Skyrim
>Fallout 3
>Fallout: New Vegas
>Morrowind
>Fallout
>Gothic
>Planescape: Torment
>Wasteland 2

And not much more.

CBBE when

Cant play SSE without it

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>>159482424
>download manually
>open mod manager
>click "add mod from file" big green plus sign
>find mod's zip file where you downloaded it to
>add
>???
>play skyrim with ur new mod

First, Saadia's age. She appears to me to be in her mid to late 30s, maybe early 40s. The Great War began in 4E 171, 30 years before TESV, which would make her pretty darn young to be selling out a city (whatever that means, since no proof is given). So, she'd have to be at least 50 years old to be in some sort of authority position at the time (20+ yo) to be giving military/logistical secrets of an entire city to the Thalmor (betraying her family House Suda I might add). Yeah, I don't think she looks 50+ either. However, if she's in her late 30s/early 40s, it would make more chronological sense if she was speaking out against the Dominion in occupied Taneth for the remainder of the decade until the Second Treaty of Stros M'Kai, almost 10 years later in 4E 180. That would put her between late teens and early 20s by then.

But what about the Alik'r? Well, they're mercenaries. They'll do whatever is needed for the highest bidder. They may have a code of conduct or honor, but they could still have been hired by the Thalmor.

Other questions abound. Why would Saadia have sought asylum in the Empire instead of the Dominion if she helped the Thalmor? If the nobles of Taneth wanted her for treason, couldn't they have gone through official channels to pursue and extradite a fugitive, even if Hammerfell isn't in the Empire? Let's not forget that Taneth had 20 years to pursue her through legal means, whereas if she spoke out against the Thalmor during the occupation and escaped, the Thalmor would be forced to use their only means of exploring the Imperial provinces (through spies and mercs). It makes much more sense that it takes 20 years for mercenaries to find a woman than any state-sanctioned search. After all, the Thalmor were only recently allowed access to Skyrim to put down the Talos cult worship so they couldn't directly search for her. They use spies (Gissur) and assassins (Shavari, J'Datharr) anyway, so why not mercenaries?

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>>159482585
shit's already up

>>159482670
The answer is kill all of them to obtain maximum cash.

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>>159482332
Then crashing
>>159482350
Aww yeah, I could use those robes for a dwemer specialist playthrough I'm doing.

>>159482670
So why didn't she stay in Hammerfell? She probably did, but she's been running ever since, hence why she "can't keep running forever" as she says when you decide to betray her to Kematu. Maybe that's where she got her scar, in some sort of altercation with her pursuers ages ago. That's a bit of speculation on my part, but it makes more sense that she's fled further and further into Imperial lands than Aldmeri if she spoke out against the Dominion.

In the end, the Alik'r close in on her, believing her to be in Whiterun, and choose to shack up with unscrupulous characters since they apparently can't all stay in an inn. There are so many of them because they've been covering large swaths of land in search of her. If you betray her, there's no indication that they wouldn't just show her body to the Thalmor instead of marching her back to Hammerfell.

A minor point people make is that she switches from not knowing the Alik'r are in the city to referring the LDB to one that's in the city jail. It's not stated whether that particular warrior was caught in the city of Whiterun or not, so I don't consider it particularly compelling evidence against Saadia.

The Alik'r show up in Skyrim with no hard proof of her crimes or writ of execution or anything. That's all I can think of at this point in her defense, but I'd say there's definitely enough ambiguity and lack of information or evidence to warrant that a potentially innocent, near defenseless woman shouldn't be left in the hands of belligerent mercenaries of questionable motive.

>>159482580

I don't even remember them all. Played Arena/Daggerfall and Fallout 1/2 back in the day, moved away from PC gaming, tried Morrowind on a friend's Xbox, and Oblivion when I got a PS3. Fallout 3 came just as I was getting back in PC gaming.

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>>159482580
>Diablo 2
>vanilla World of Warcraft
>Final Fantasy 1 & 9
>Pokemon Blue/Gold/Sapphire
>Fallout 3 / New Vegas
>Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
>Persona Q I'm on the last dungeon and I dont want it to end so I wont finish it

>>159482593
Sorry you had to type that but I know the manual way

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>>159482580

I didn't play any real PC games for the longest time, I was a console gamer except for MMOs on PC (NexusTK, RO, and WoW) and some TF2. Early on in the PS3/Xbox 360 era I started playing more PC games. By the time Skyrim came out, I was 95% PC (with only a PS3/4 for certain games).

I still haven't played any of the really classic RPGs that I feel like I should, nor even beaten Morrowind/Oblivion.

If I quit WoW and got a better attention span I might be able to actually finish a video game.

>>159482350
Inb4 downvotes because PS4 users can think it can come to their system

Who would you rather rule the Empire? Potema or an elf?

>>159483369
Elisif

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>>159482920

Arena and Daggerfall are on my to-play list. Oblivion is the one TES game I should play, but I don't have the strength to.

>>159483048

I like FF and Pokémon. Diablo 2 is on my to-play list too.

>>159483176

Interplay/Black Isle/BioWare 97-03 RPGs are pretty cool, I suggest you give them a try.

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>>159482849
>dwemer specialist playthrough
It's fun. I go through this every now and again, there's always something new to play with - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mKyzToQaD2LcDTMy8ep9BYWEbx6EJj2khgoY_lRzg70/edit?pref=2&pli=1

>>159483369
Depends on the elf.

Also Potema is super double dead.

>>159483369
an Elf that wasn't insane, a known necromancer and murderer, and who had no love for anyone in her heart.

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>>159482580
>Skyrim
>FFXIV
>Oblivion

That's it. Despite being in IT, I'm a recent PC gamer because poor for a long, long time and Linux. This is only my second year of running a Windows OS.

>>159482585
CBBE is shit.

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>>159482849
>Then crashing
Ya that's what I'm saying

Killing Harkon was okay tho, no CTDs there Marin was originally going to get killed by him but I couldn't make him equip his sword and that was a requirement

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>>159483509
You haven't played Diablo 2 until you've been run through all 5 acts in less than 20 minutes by a Lightning Nova Sorceress.

>>159483705
Okay pedo

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>>159482580
Skyrim
Oblivion
Morrowind
FO3,NV,FO4
Vampire the masquerade
Mount and blade
Dragons Dogma
Deus ex HR

I dont really like most non-RPG or RTS games.

>>159482743
It's still private/unpublished right now. Hopefully, it should be unlocked soon.

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>>159482350
Great. I'm doing a Battlemage playthrough and I was getting tired of looking like a generic warrior type.

>>159483509

Yeah, a number of them are on my list to play. But my issue right now is that I can't finish any game. I have a huge backlog that is only growing.

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>>159483524
Oh no, sorry, not for regular skyrim oh god no. Playthroughs don't exist there. On SSE it's what I'm doing, need to know what Cries and Prissa know for dialogue then hopefully the bonemold archer for Dragonborn.
But thank you.
>>159483739
Whoops, I missed that "kills your game" but still, I'm with ya.

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>Get past Bryn's quests to shakedown 3 people for gold.
>Go back to him
>Tells me to follow him into the Cistern
>He bugs out and won't talk to me.
>Attacks me about 20 seconds later of him standing around in one spot.

Fucking shit. Now I gotta figure out which mod is causing this issue. Other than JK's skyrim, I don't really know what could be the issue.

>>159484212
I like the pommel on that sword. What mod?

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>>159482580
Skyrim
Morrowind
Fallout 3
Fallout NV
>Fallout 4
Fallen Earth
Everquest II
Guild Wars 1 and 2
Jade Dynasty
Dragon's Dogma (really should go back and play more of it)
Fable
Dragon Age: Origins
Cthulhu Saves the World

Played Oblivion on 360, yet to play it on PC.

>>159483605

Well I wasn't a PC gamer until two years ago. Until then, it was PS1 and PS2 for a long, long time. Even on PS3 I only played a handful of titles, like Gran Turismo, God of War III, Modern Warfare 3, and GTA V (awesome game, I would dare say the best ever made).

>>159483889

Is Mount and Blade as dorky a game as it looks like?

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>this fucking faggot

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Has anyone tried Smilodon? Is it gud?

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2824/?

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>>159484379
Lore Weapon Expansion:
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/44179/?
It's good stuff.

Enderal Special Edition when

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>>159484548

Oops, forgot picture.

>>159484452

I've checked out Dragon's Dogma, I've heard wonders of its combat. Luckily it was re-released for PCs this year.

>>159484548

M&B is amazing for pretty decent combat, more realistic battles, and sieges and shit.

>>159484758
the baldurs gate games are still worth playing. they're like the grand daddy that inspired everything.

>>159484723
I've talked to them, but they used a modified version of SKSE, it'd take a while.
That being said I converted it over and while it didn't run per-say, the environments loaded and definitely got better performance.

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Is Durnehviir the best character in the whole game? Yes, glad we agree.

What's the thought on the SE version of Skyrim? I only recently heard it was a thing, and I haven't touched regular skyrim in ages

>>159485216

It's good, requires a bit more time to get an SKSE version for SE that will allow more mods to be used on it.

It's a good base to build on (64 bit native and much more stable) but it'll just take time.

>>159485362
What kind of benefits would you say there is for SE compared to skyrim, what with having all the years worth of mods made for the original skyrim

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>>159485187
>not Cicero.

>>159485216
Not really worth modding yet until more mods come out for it. Recently FNIS got released for the special edition but right now, SKSE still needs to be ported.

SE on it's own doesn't add much to Skyrim at all. The only thing that's new would be improved performance and volumetric godrays.

>>159485216
if ur a console pleb then it's good because i saw my roomate in college playing the ps3 version of skyrim and it looked like a disaster. now console players have something decent to play

if you're a pc player (and you got it for free) then it's good because it fixes most of skyrim's technical limitations that we were having with modding. as soon as we get a script extender developed, the SE will be the definitive modding platform for skyrim.

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Guys i'm trash at making waifus could someone be nice ad tell me how i could port one over to SSE?

why is this piece of shit 2011 game overheating my laptop more than, idk, fucking overwatch and shit?

also SE keeps crashing every time i start new game, and u still cant skip intro, cant u?

>>159485485

There is no memory limit on mods, performance is better, more stable

>>159485587
Cicero is obnoxious

whats the best combat mod?

>>159485485
Performance. Both in raw fps, and in stability to let it do things like put far, far more actors on screen at once with fully functioning AI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRzLgRvqfDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6EjcESYIXk

>>159485587

Cicero is a meme character

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>>159485587
>Cicero
No.

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>>159485187
>durnehviir
>>159485587
>cicero
lol

Hey guys, I keep trying to install the Morrowind Graphics overhaul but it keeps freezing at the Extracting files and says "please wait". I recently got an SSD card and the harddrive in :E instead of :C and I'm using the Steam version, in case any of that information is important.

>>159485734
There is no best. Ultimate Combat, Wildcat, Vigor, Smilodon, and Combat Evolved (Alone or in combination with UC or Vigor) are all solid choices. Look at the feature sets and decide which you prefer.

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>>159485651
>>159485808
>>159485816
>>159485901
All you guys can just go suck an egg.

Someone recommend good vampire games that aren't masquerade, I've played that to the death already.

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>>159486023
The Night Mother stayed my hand. Otherwise, he'd be dead.

>>159485632
>and u still cant skip intro, cant u?
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/272/?

Pick the "Camping in the Woods" option.

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>>159485959
Guys? Please help.

Why is this general always so full of cringe inducing OC''s and waifu fagging?

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This is getting out of hand.

>>159486313
>it's another episode of faggot as no idea where he is

>>159486313
Because that's how a general for a single player game survives this long.

>>159485485
One thing is that the 4GB RAM limit is a thing of the past so now the only limit is however much RAM you physically have in your rig. Also, SSE is running on DX11 rather than DX9 and they put some stuff that you used to have use ENB for into the native code so that increases game stability.

>>159485632
Alternate Start has been out for a while now.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/272/

Just choose the "hunting in the woods" option if you want just want to skip the vanilla start and continue on with the regular game.

>>159486313
What else is there?

>>159485901
top 10 best characters in TESV

1. faendal
2. sven
3. arvel the swift
4. and 5. those 2 guys in start riften tunnel
6. that guy in riften sewers who drops gloves for unarmed damage
7. orc bard in morthal
8. stenvar
9. farengar SECRET FKN FIRE
10. troll from dark brotherhood sanctuary in dawnstar

>>159486458
Nothing. Just let the general die.

>>159486386
You're running out of VRAM.

>>159486501
Why?

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>>159486459
no durnehviir = ur wrong

Give me something to do with Illusion or Alteration lads

>>159486156
>>159485959
Seriously guys, what's going on? How do I make the Morrowind Overhaul install?

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>>159486531
Stop.

>>159486459
>no erik the slayer

Dropped.

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>>159486626

Not worth the hassle.

Ask on Reddit, though.

>>159486568
Cause this OC shit and stupid and pathetic and is worse than dying.

>>159486386
https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=Dark_Face_Bug

>Make a model in Maya 2017 to practice
>Need to export it to nif
>Get the 2016 nif plugin
>Doesn't work
So, what do I do in this case? Download Blender, get a nif plugin for that, and export the Maya file as an obj and convert from obj to nif?

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>>159486501
>skyrim
>most popular role playing game (ever)
>sold over 30 million copies
>a remastered version has just been released
>skyrim has never left the top 10 list in the "most players currently playing" on steam, ever, since its release 5 years ago
>skyrim is currently holding TWO of the top 10 positions

and yet you're hear wondering why there's so many people talking about skyrim. skyrim will literally never die (until 2021 when TES 6 gets release)

>>159486720
>people are creating ocs
>in a rpg
>the gall

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>cringe

>>159486720
That's just your opinion.

Is there really a benefit to download the special edition if I already have the legendary edition?

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>>159482424
I hope it gets better soon, I cant be arsed to manually fix 30+ mods

>>159486876
Look at the replies to >>159485216

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>>159486459
This list is actually really really bad

>>159486876
Right now, probably not. SE is still mainly focused on restoring things from Oldrim. In the future maybe.

>>159486796
the gall is thinking anyone gives a shit, yet you post it anyway.

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With Immersive Patrols installed looking for aftermath of battles and looting the dead soldiers could be pretty profitable in the early game. Just in that pile there are a dozen Stormcloaks, including an officer, a few Imperials, three Thalmors, a Thalmor prisoner, and I probably missed other corpses laying around. With Iron and Steel weapons, Elven armor, some gold and food.

If I took everything, I could probably get somewhere around 2000 gold. Maybe 3000. Considering it's literally free money, that's not bad at all. Not worth doing once you get to higher levels and can routinely get Ebony loot, but still.

>>159486459
>>159486995
yeah sorry forgot to add ulfric stormcloak

>>159487076
Who called your waifu shit anon, you can tell us.

>>159486876
In theory it runs better, but
>plenty of bugs
>SLE mods have to be ported to SSE before u can play them
>if you dont have a high-end PC you won't be able to enjoy the gooder visuals

>>159487139
Nobody, cause I'm not autistic enough to have a waifu in the first place. I go out and live life.

>>159487076
You're complaining about a video game in a genre whose premise is making original characters (what the R[ole] P[laying] G[ame] means) since forever.

Please go dislike what other people like somewhere else.

>>159486459
>no Jarl Ballin
Delete this

>>159487251
But here you are, shitposting on 4chan on a saturday night.

That's really sad, anon.

>>159487080

That's a lot of carry weight with a lot of inefficient gold:weight ratios, though.

>>159487251
>implying people here don't have a life outside of this thread
>it's another episode of faggot calls everyone else a basement dweller to overcompensate for his own sad life

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Gonna do a "mystic knight" build where I conjure maces and use wards as a shield. Should I go light armor or clothing?

Do Wood Elves and Lizard People's innate disease resistance work against vampirism? I am so tired of every single time I run across a random vampire, having to go cure myself.

>>159487304
Why not? It's late at night and it's super comfy to give a dose of reality to people like you.

>>159487407
light armor

>>159487407
Mage robes.

>>159487503
>it's another episode of faggot calls everyone else a basement dweller to overcompensate for his own sad life

>>159487407
stealth archer

>>159487519
>>159487535
After carefully reviewing the results the state has decided on robes. Thank you for voting.

>>159487503
I'll give you a dose of reality. Bend over.

>>159487594
>it's another episode of dumbass responds to something that was obvious bait from the start and slightly ruins the thread.

>>159486759
Interdasting.

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Welp, figured out a workaround for the TG questline.

Now to be slightly disappointed as I complete it for a second time.

Does anybody actually Legendary their weapon skills when they hit 100? Is it worth it?

Is a two-handed build better than going one-handed?

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>>159488327
Of all the things you could do, why would you choose to replay the dumbest, shittiest guild?

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>>159488459
It's Skyrim. The focus is on questing and exploration, not classes and skills. Build what you want.

>>159488459

Two hander has more range but swings slower, and you can't offhand magic/a shield. Take your pick.

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>>159488593
Because I haven't seen a single quest mod built around stealth and I really want to play as this character.

>>159488594
jack of all trades best build

>>159488459
it's funner. and the animations look way better in third person. two-handed is probably the only well-animated thing in the whole game.

So... why doesn't MOD ORGANIZAER WORK WYET WHY HWYRF HWY

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Hey /tesg/ any updates for mods in oldrim? Looking at the thread looks like I need to wait for SKSE for SSE.

What skills should be legendary and what ones shouldn't? I had heard that some skills bug out when you go legendary.

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>>159488792
I'd play the Dark Brotherhood instead

In fact I might just do that with a new character I'm planning tfw haven't done the things I wanted to do with old characters yet and I'm already planning new ones

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>>159488792
Aside from Gray Cowl, right?
oh god the NPC voices

>>159489087
Because it's abandoned.

>>159489087
Tannin abandoned MO2 at 2.0.7b and has been hired by Nexus to work on a brand new mod manager that will replace both Mod Organizer and Nexus Mod Manager. Any further updates would be from someone else deciding to continue his work.

>>159489520
Why, do I really need to use NMM?

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>>159488594

Diana speaks the hnnnnnng truth.

So i've been coming here for awhile, and I have to ask, why is it so popular to act like Bethesda's games are literally 100% garbage on all fronts?

I mean, I'll be the first to admit they are pretty mediocre, and don't do anything particularly well.

but the level of vitriol I see about them is crazy.

>>159489612
NMM or WB or do it manually.

>>159489612
Or manual.
But yes. Tannin was hired by Nexus.
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/news/12905/?

>>159489740
that's only popular on /v/

and it's because /v/tards are contrarian by nature. they observe that the game is selling tens of millions of copies and everyone loves it and everyone talks about it and reviewers love it while simultaneously observing that the game has a number of flaws and isn't perfect. this dichotomy between the game's flaws and the cultural belovedness makes /v/tards confused and they get angry and hyperbolic whne they're confused.

so, despite being a good game (becomes amazing with just a few mods), /v/tards will start frothing at the mouth if you even mention the game because the NEED it to be shit and they NEED you to hear them call it shit.


fallout 4 is pretty bad though, although they also hyperbolize how bad that game is too.

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I demand an explanation right now

>>159489612
For the time being, yes.

As I said here >>159489608, Tannin (Mod Organizer's creator) was hired by the Nexus to create a brand new mod manager from the ground up that will replace both NMM and MO/MO2 that will be designed to work across many games besides Bethesda games. It will supposedly try to take the best of both worlds from NMM and MO.

As for when it will be done, assume it will be done when it's done until there's some kind of official announcement.

Guardly

Whats going on?

FIX THE FOLLOWER PAGE

>>159490051
One of Snakestone's characters. She's an assassin (and a pretty bad one).

>>159490051
IT MEANS SHE HAS LOTS OF UNPROTECTED SEX

How do I do the battlemage thing right?

I'm basically running around with both one and two handed plus destruction and light armor and that's it. I'm not feeling the theme fully.

Can anyone suggest to me SSE capable mods to help me feel the BATTLEMAGE?

Slut armor appreciated.

>>159490141
>best of both worlds
>NMM

What was good about NMM?

>>159490141
But there's nothing good TO take from NMM.

>>159490028
yeah, try pulling a fast one in any other forum and beth dicksuckers will go nuts on you saying that their games is the second coming

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>>159490158
>>159490217
Looks like I'm giving him a good talking to

How is the "spears by soolie" mod?

I like spears and I want to make a cuchulainn-ish character, but I'd rather not waste my time getting a shitty mod.

>>159490154
What's wrong with it?

Imperial Legion or Stormcloaks, famalam?

>>159490240
Ordinator has some lovely support for battlemaging. Toss on apocolypse spells and maybe any other spell mod that grabs your fancy that is also compatible and you're golden.

Also using 2h and magic isn't really the battlemage style. 1h melee and 1h spell is the usual style unless you need both hands for a spell.

>>159490474
Imperials.

>>159490154
Not Guardly, but It loads fine for me.

>>159490462
go check it out

Click on Blushes

>>159490569
Everything's fine?

>>159490720
I clicked on her link from the front page, it leads to Croc and not Blushes.

>>159490242
>>159490250

Well, some people like(d) that it works across a variety of games, not just Bethesda games. So I assume that they're trying to figure out a way to implement the virtual file system from Mod Organizer while maintaining the flexibility to use it for more than just Betheda games like in Nexus Mod Manager.

>>159490240

She uses light armor so I guess by technicality it's not a battlemage right?

I guess it's more of a Spellsword? I barely know the difference but I know they were two separate classes in Morrowind.

I liked using one AND two handed only because I got bored and switched every other dungeon delve I did because ADD. I think I could be ok with just one handed and a spell/shield in offhand though. I'll trying using Spellblade as a search this time for ideas.

>>159490553
Click on Faust, Elanor, or Blushes from the frontpage. None of them link to the correct download.

>>159489740
They do worldbuilding/lore well, and they do exploration excellently (even if what you come across is frequently mediocre, they certainly drive the urge to explore). The only things they truly suck at are writing, combat, and RPG mechanics. Everything else runs the gamut from excellent to rancid garbage, but in my experience the garbage in Bethesda games is hilarious.

>>159490242
>>159490250
Ease of use and support for lots of games. Other than that, MO/manual/Bash are clearly better options. I used NMM for the longest time because I couldn't be assed to update my mods manually and didn't want to convert to MO when I had 200+ hour saves that I didn't want to fuck up on accident. Bash isn't particularly relevant anymore as a mod manager; I'm pretty sure its only major use is to generate bashed patches.

>checks out Blushes In Shadows
>Checks Description
>Sees "Clumbsy"

This triggers me so

>>159490923
I'm getting the correct link to all of them.

>>159490826
>>159491106

Ah, forgot about that part.

>>159491213
Maybe whoever typed it had a cold

>>159491106
they also suck at coding, game testing and deving for consoles but that's beyond he point

>>159490923
I see. Its only the front page that has the wrong links, everyone the follower page loads fine.

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What a fucking loon. Just stands there and talks to a wall.

Prime example of why I hate NMM:
>Decide to test WICO
>Like it, made a female to test mod compatibilities and check for errors
>uninstall WICO because of bad NPC edits
>Can't change gender at character creation anymore, but can still load the save of the female that was made with WICO

I'm willing to bet that NMM borked files involving racemenu, and I'll probably have to re-install.

>>159491336
how does having affect what you type AND not noticing the typo? Its inexcusable!

>>159491106
>The only things they truly suck at are writing, combat, and RPG mechanics.
I've never really understood the
>Bethesda are bad at writing
meme.

I mean, have you seen most game's plots in general?

>>159491731
Maybe they had a cold AND autism

Have there been any mods in the past two years that add any content to the game with some proper depth.

Like opening an Ale/Mead/Wine business?

Something that isn't just, have money. Arbitrary unseen upgrades etc?

I know there used to be a mod for some sort of ale house, but it was janky and buggy as fuck.

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>>159489740

It's not popular if it's the truth.

Skyrim is terrible videogame from a design view. The thing it does best is give the players tons of things to do, no matter how boring, repetitive, tedious, or pointless they are.

Even Morrowind is not better than a 7/10, and again, it's because it has tons of shit to do.

By comparison, Gothic is a 9/10. It's a much smaller, much more focused game, but it's better in almost every regard.

>>159491808
In comparison to their earlier games like Morrowind (especially) or Oblivion, yeah, Skyrim is bad.

In comparison to game companies like Bioware? Bethesda ekes out barely above.

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Immersive Patrols in SE really upped the ante with these random civil war battles.

I need help with my build.

Light Armor, One Handed, Destruction, Alteration, Restoration, Conjuration & 1 crafting skill (Enchanting?)

My plan is to make a Spellsword build that has many options on the magical front but none of them are high level. Jack of All Trades type mage that will always have decent light armor and one handed. Is this not great in Skyrim? Should I focus on only two types of magic?

>>159492229
>Skyrim is terrible videogame from a design view.
in what way?

>>159492238
Skyrim is honestly better then both Morrowind and Oblivion in writing.

Morrowind barely had writing, it was basically just tons of background lore with a very loose premise thrown over it, and Oblivion's MQ and guilds have so many plotholes they make the Skyrim TG look good by comparison.

>>159492705
Sounds fine. Alteration for some extra armor from stoneskin or whateverskin, auto cast in combat thanks to ocatos recital. Fireball in the left hand, heal if needed. Conjuration, eh not really needed, but I guess you could go the bound weapon route, at least for early game. Maybe late game too with the right mods.

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>>159491808

I never understood what "good writing" meant either until I looked closely at Morrowind's dialogue compared to New Vegas'.

It boils down to believability. No one talks like people do in Morrowind. The way NPCs talk is mechanical, implausible, the dialogue is downright terrible. I can easily write more believable conversations, and I'm not even bragging. I just need to stay out of Mary Sue territory (something the LGNPC project isn't able to), and there you go. New Vegas is also extremely quotable, something I just can't say about Morrowind.

Planescape: Torment has outstanding writing because every NPC feels alive, and it relies on written text just like Morrowind does.

Well, FNIS is working okay for me, but I've never used it before and I can't figure out how to back out of a cycled animation.

>>159492948
>New Vegas is also extremely quotable, something I just can't say about Morrowind.
New Vegas's dialouge is equally as dreadful as Morrowind's, for much in the same reason.

>>159492238
oblivion had a small handful of clever quests but the writing was worse than skyrim. every character, the dialogue, the entire plot, was just bad.

>>159493010
I just jump a few times.

>>159492809
I find Skyrim's questlines to have infinitely more plotholes than Oblivion's. They were also terribly formulaic.

Where's that image of the Skyrim quests vs. Oblivion quests?

>>159492705
I say pick between alteration and light armor and then pick up smithing unless you're using summoned weapons.

>>159493213
>I find Skyrim's questlines to have infinitely more plotholes than Oblivion's.
Nothing has more plot holes then Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood questline.

so the remastered edition is basically useless at this point right

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>>159492809

Oh, dear. It would take me way too long to explain everything done wrong in Skyrim, so I'll just mention a few things:

- Exploration works only because the locations look nice. Otherwise it would be crap: there's no good loot to be had, no good quests, no nothing. Morrowind is pretty much the same, except you can find cool items in the different caves/tombs/shrines.
- Guild questlines are terrible. They all rely on you to become the savior, and the speed at which you progress through them is laughably poorly paced.
- Combat is boring, repetitive, fights take forever sometimes. Morrowind has this problem too, with dicerolling combat being infuriating when failing, but pleasant when succeeding.
- Quests are boring (barely any has anything of interest to it), repetitive (tons of radiant fetch quests, and fetch quests that may as well be radiant). For the most part, you don't have any say in how to complete a quest.
- The world barely reacts to your actions.
- The writing is pathetic.
- Essential NPCs means we need mods to solve quests like the Paarthurnax vs Blades one in a manner that should have been there to begin with. Except that instead of "hurr durr I'm Dragonborn, fear me", I would have just killed Delphine & co. and be over with it.

In summary: the only good things Skyrim does is give you tons of things to do. Nothing else.

Elder Scrolls games survive for so long thanks to mods, else I'm pretty sure this general just wouldn't exist.

>>159493271

I don't really know if I want to do Alteration or Conjuration honestly. I'm finding them both helpful in a basic capacity.

The game feels a bit too easy with a follower already so summoning things isn't really needed I think. I do not plan to use summoned weapons, no. Conjuration would only be for summoning things to tank and shit. Illusion seems helpful but I'm not a sneak so I counted that out. Basic ass Restoration was tottally fine for me too.

Is it a bad thing if I use spells from all of the magic fields but I only actually perk destruction and restoration or something? I know the rest will remain semi weak but that's fine if they help even a tiny bit.

So, there a mod that adds humanoid bears? Like anthropomorphic in skyrim?

>>159493669
Like what, a dancing bear?

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>>159493096

Say what? Have you even played New Vegas?

There's only one NPC suffering from the Morrowind syndrome, and that's Easy Pete (no joke, that's the worst NPC in New Vegas BY FAR).

Everyone else is cool. Problem with Morrowind is that 95% of its NPCs have to be copy-pasted NPCs, they have no personality of any kind, and it's hard to make NPCs feel believable when every single one of them spits out the same lines over and over again.

Reminds me of Skyrim's copypasted dialogue for vendors

>Oh, a bit of this, a bit of that
>We got warm food, warm drinks and warm beds

>>159492307

So does Immersive Patrols just stick random fights in the middle of nowhere with zero strategic significance? Is that supposed to be immersive?

>>159493623
Illusion has uses outside of stealth. Espcially if you use magic and perk mods that have been suggested in this thread.

Also not perking the other trees witll leave them massively ineffcient and too weak to be useful.

>>159493524
Yep.

Unless you want to actually play the game without crashing every 30 mins late game.

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Why do the Falmer have humanoid "servents"?

What's the story on this shit?

>>159493524
Can we just put in the OP something like "Depends on what mods you find essential, and whether you can run OG skyrim well or not" because mods are limited but performance for most is much better. This is asked like, 20 times per thread now...

>>159493525
You know most of this I don't care about, or I find tolerable solely because of mods. But becoming the leader of the guilds in Skyrim kills me. Why can't I just become an important asset of a guild instead of becoming its leader after a couple of quests ffs

I don't remember how it went in Oblivion, and I've never played Morrorwind, has it always been like this?

>>159493805
It's not random, it's set locations, and supposedly whichever side wins goes on to a nearby fort to take it over, though I've never seen this happen

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>>159493096
>>159493756

I apologize for drawing the "have you played" card, but really, both games couldn't have more different writing.

NV is closer to PS:T than it is to Morrowind, and I'm saying this knowing PS:T is miles ahead of NV when it comes to writing.

>>159493805
The whole point is to give them a presence, which it does. You can wander the world and see factions fighting each other in small skirmishes.

As opposed to the nothing of before, like the civil war doesn't even exist outside the quests associated with it.

>>159493909
>Oblivion
Yes you could be the leader of everywhere.

I don't think it was the case in morrowind but I never got very far in because I hate first person CRPG combat. even though I fucking love CRPGs

>>159493525
>there's no good loot to be had
Define good loot
>no good quests
I think the Deadric quests in Skyrim are ome of the best in the series, not to mention shit like the Markarth quest, and Blood on the ICe

>- Guild questlines are terrible. They all rely on you to become the savior, and the speed at which you progress through them is laughably poorly paced.
this has been RPGs defined since before even Baldur's Gate

>- Combat is boring, repetitive, fights take forever sometimes.
How can a fight take forever? even without exploiting smithing I can upgrade by dragonbone sword to kill most everything except the highest tier dragons in just a few hits.

>- Quests are boring (barely any has anything of interest to it),
See above

> For the most part, you don't have any say in how to complete a quest.
Which you shouldn't in those situations, as those situations don't logically give you a chance to.

>- The world barely reacts to your actions.
BEesides every quest giver you help constantly thanking you for helping them, every guard singing your praises for killing Alduin(something they shouldn't even know about), half the game's holds being taken over and replaced by the faction you helped in the war.

>- Essential NPCs means we need mods to solve quests like the Paarthurnax vs Blades one in a manner that should have been there to begin with. I would have just killed Delphine & co. and be over with it.
How is that any different from just ignoring their request?

>>159493843

Ah. I kinda like the idea of One Handed, Light Armor, Destruction, Alteration (Basic), Illusion (Basic) and blacksmithing or enchanting.

I have never done a caster and I wanted slightly more depth than 'shooting things with my left hand spells' I wasn't sure how to go about that.

I have the PS3 legendary edition. Between me and GF we have over a hundred hours of gameplay. Have never experienced any freezes or crashes. Is the PS3 more stable than the Xbox version or have I just been lucky?

>actually defending anything from the base game
i will END YOU

>>159493186
Cool. I think I figured it out, thanks.

By the way, is there an ini command to cap the framerate? I unlocked it and tweaked it so the physics aren't completely fucked, but I'm still getting rogue clutter zooming around when I look towards a wall.

>>159493623
If you grabbed apocalypse, alteration is SO good for a spellsword. Enemy debuffs, self buffs, general utility. And if you have Ordinator there's even a perk specifically for that build.

>>159494030
Ah,I see. I know there's a mod in original skyrim that lets me put Tolfdir as arch mage, I wish there was some for the other guilds too though.

>>159494197
Well, er... I did find exploring fun. Though I do agree with previous posts about the lame loot

>>159493756
>Say what? Have you even played New Vegas?
Yes. got over 600 hours in it.

the problem with New Vegas NPCs is that they just matter of factly tell you everything in ways that sound completly unreal.

Every NPc you ask about the NCr/LEgion situation basically rattles off the same

"Well the NCR is nicer, but don't keep their land as safe, while the Legions is meaner, but their lands are far safer!"

speil like a robot would.

Everything in NV is blunt, dry, and matter of fact. People talk more like they are reading things about the world out of an atlas then actually talking to you like people.

>>159494165
you're just lucky. ps3 is the buggiest and worst performing out of all of skyrim's ports.

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>>159493891
Kidnapped babies.

>>159494197
The Ebony Armor set looks nice

I have a simple question.

Is it bad if I use skills like block, alchemy, restoration and blacksmithing and have them level up from use but NOT perking them?

Do I always want to perk the skills that level up?

I tend to switch around playstyles often while the three or four things I have perked are the core to everything I do throw in other stuff and I'm not sure if skilling those other minor skills is a bad thing or not...

>>159494379
But they can still speak in English (Tamrielic)?

>>159494481
Lazy game design

>>159494165
are you a fucking wizard, i lost like 5 quests, had a shout duped and lost a hearthfire plotland
still dumped 500 hours on it tho, too poor to afford a pc

>>159494325

I do have Apocalypse but I don't have ordinator. It was overwhelming and I wasn't sure how to do it.

There's a one handed/destruction/alteration path?

>>159493756
>There's only one NPC suffering from the Morrowind syndrome,
yeah and it's all of them.
Near every single NPC in NV was an infodump for a war you're only told about until almost the final act.

Great game, good quests but it had a lot of pitfalls.

>>159494261
ENB has a frame locker in its enblocal.ini

I'm not using ENB atm though and am locking it through dxtory. Sucks to have to do it that way but it works.

You could just use vsync if you have a 60hz monitor. I don't though which is why I use a program like dxtory to do it for me.

>>159494152
then play around with more advanced magics in alteration and illlusion. Hell use your ward spells too. However you really only need one defensive option so your usage of alteration is definately going to have to lean away from the armor spells and you are going to want to take both smithing and enchanting to be able to build and upgrade all your shit.

As has been said before, grab ordinator and apocolapyse. They're good for the aspiring spellsword.

>>159494325
>I know there's a mod in original skyrim that lets me put Tolfdir as arch mage

Sounds dumb. There's no point to it, he's already Master Wizard, which means he runs the day to day operations anyways. You aren't needed, he's running the show.

And that's just vanilla.

>>159494680
Pretty sure that 'mod' is something that got added in later through DLC, because I can do it without mods.

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>>159494261
>>159494557
Don't use ENB's FPS limiters, it ends up damaging framerate further than necessary. Use an alternate source, like vsync or nvidia inspector.

>>159494586

I hear that with apocalypse Alteration is great utility. That's how I plan to use it, not only for more defense. Ideally...destruction is far and medium range, one handed is close range then light armor is for defensive purposes and Alteration/Illusion/ Blacksmithing OR Enchanting not both, would be utility...so a bit of everything already mentioned.

>>159494409
If you want to level something up to get more perk points might as well just do something easy like Illusion. You can just muffle spam your way to 100, then make it legendary and do it again to get all the perks and levels you want.

>>159494758
Not him but no.

there is no offical DLC or update that allowed you to make Tolfdir the arch mage.

>>159494801
>with apocalypse Alteration is great utility.

Hell yeah man, cast that fin spell and just travel via the waterways at super speed. Feels good.

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>>159494785
Gotta admit, I've really been loving your screenshots with Ira and that sword.

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>>159486459
You forgot Rolff Stone-Fist, the vigilant patriot in Windhelm who would put his life in danger to unravel the Dark Elf conspiracy to take down the brave and honorable Nord citizens of Windhelm.

>>159494801
There's literally no rason to not take two crafting skills. Espcially since you rely on both light armor and 1h weps and on top of that use a lot of magic which is significantly helped by the use of enchanting.

>>159494785
what weapon mod is that?

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>>159494543
Ordinator's really good, adds some cool utility for "thief" perks and makes magic way more interesting and viable. There's a perk branch under Alteration specifically for spellswords. Pic related for an example, next perk is similar but it has a armor reduction radius instead

>>159494680
It's just for muh immersion's sake, because I don't like being arch mage. I've been there for probably 1/4th the time that everyone else higher upper has.

>>159494801
Yup, I'm constantly using Wither and Undermine. Lowering enemy attack damage, movement speed, and staggering them when they power attack. feels good

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>there are people who don't think Blackreach/dwemer cities are cool as fuck

>>159494102

>Define good loot

Unique items (Mentor's Ring early on in Morrowind, very useful). Powerful items for your level (like Chrysamere which I found by accident and I could still be using if it wasn't because I don't want to murder everyone with ease).

Good things to sell or use. That kind of stuff.

>I think the Deadric quests in Skyrim are ome of the best in the series, not to mention shit like the Markarth quest, and Blood on the ICe

I don't know what are you speaking of by "Markarth quest". You mean the one where you escape Cidna Mine?

About Blood on the Ice, I think I remember someone finding out the game didn't accomodate for a very "obvious" way to solve the quest. It wasn't particularly interesting, either.

>this has been RPGs defined since before even Baldur's Gate

Except Skyrim took it to a whole new level, so yes, it is relevant.

>How can a fight take forever?

Because they aren't paced well. Requiem makes combat fast and brutal, a much more entertaining way of playing, and it used the same mechanics Skyrim already had.

>Which you shouldn't in those situations, as those situations don't logically give you a chance to.

Are you implying every quest in Skyrim gives you the right amount of ways to tackle a quest?

>BEesides every quest giver you help constantly thanking you for helping them, every guard singing your praises for killing Alduin(something they shouldn't even know about), half the game's holds being taken over and replaced by the faction you helped in the war.

That's very interesting, anon. So what actually happens in the world besides a few responses here and there and a faction taking over a hold and barely making any difference?

>How is that any different from just ignoring their request?

You can't complete the quest. To Bethesda, completing the quest means completing it the way they want to.

Is Archery still fucked in special edition?
I've had several instances now where arrows go right through targets that I definitely should've hit, like I've aimed for the head and the arrow just goes right through sometimes. What the hell?

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>>159495131
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/79544/?

>>159495050
I do love things that glow. And the HMLS is mai waifu.

I don't like getting experience from crafting I kinda wanna only level up from combat because I feel like I'm levelling too fast.

Is this a thing people mod? Am I worrying about being to high level for now reason? Shit levels with me right?

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>mod makers initially love remastered edition for the better engine and 64bit support
>as soon as news comes out that skse and skyui aren't coming it's completely dead in the water

>>159485623
>plz respond

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>>159495396

>>159494334

>Every NPc you ask about the NCr/LEgion situation basically rattles off the same
>"Well the NCR is nicer, but don't keep their land as safe, while the Legions is meaner, but their lands are far safer!"

This isn't true. Go ahead and post an actual dialogue from the game.

Here's Morrowind's in-game dialogue, when I ask a character about what he/she does.

>"I am a commoner. I do whatever needs doing -- cooking, cleaning, building, baking, making, breaking. And, by your accent, I can tell YOU are an outlander. Since you're new to these parts, perhaps you'd like me to share a little local lore."

That's the same response from EVERY NPC belonging to the commoner class.

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>>159494481
this >>159494531
I was just playing through that part today and it was quite jarring that some of them were yelling "By Ysmir! I'll paint the snow with your blood!" at me.
>>159495292
updaterino the rosterino pls

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>>159495396
but like a million mods are already out and skse is under development and if you really need a ui modifier then there's an earlier version of skyui ready and working for SE

>>159495581
>can't even search
What's the point?

>you can't make a 100% pure Scathecraw extract poison.
>you can't slip powdered Scathecraw into a cooking pot at a bandit camp and kill everyone who comes to eat.

Feels bad man.

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>>159495581
A dozen of those mods are good, they were better on the old version, and the crappy SkyUI doesn't make it any better. SE is supertrash and will remain that way for a year or so.

>>159495202
>Unique items
So what you really want is to be able to sneak past everything and get all the top end gear at level 1 and cheese the game ala Morrowind?

Thank god they stopped that.

>You mean the one where you escape Cidna Mine?
Yes
> It wasn't particularly interesting, either.
I wonder what you consider interesting then.

>Except Skyrim took it to a whole new level
Except its literally no worse then Oblivion.

>Requiem
Are you honestly trying to say Requiem is good?

>Are you implying every quest in Skyrim gives you the right amount of ways to tackle a quest?
I'm saying the quest give you the most logical ways to complete them. When it comes to a lot of basic tasks like "I lost my journal go find it" theres nothing beyond finding it that one could do.

>So what actually happens in the world besides a few responses here and there and a faction taking over a hold and barely making any difference?
Exactly what should happen, not much.

You sound like one of those people who cried that killing The emperor in the DB questline didn't cause massive upheavals in the game, when anyone could tell you that any empire has systems in place to ensure it keeps running even if the leader is disposed of.

>You can't complete the quest. To Bethesda, completing the quest means completing it the way they want to.
You are aware that the quest not leaving your log doesn't mean anything right?

It stays open because the offer is always valid.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1699/?

Is this the only version of UNP available for SE?

The fucking textures are literally mud here.

>>159495853
Nice slut faggot

>>159495919
Then just use the textures you want?

>>159495919
use different textures dipshit

>>159495919
Then use the Oldrim UNP and textures

>>159495975
You can do that?
I think I'm retarded

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>>159482424
>NMM

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Hi /tesg/

I was getting into combat stuff with the guide on tesgeneral, and I was wondering if I could have a second opinion on the recommended mods DUEL and Ultimate Combat. UC apparently adds some new stuff like dodging, while DUEL focuses on making the game more difficult. I just wanted to ask anyone around what they personally think of these mods, and which they would recommend higher.

Just going off the descriptions, DUEL sounds a little more my jam, since I want really brutal combat that isn't going to make me slap a spider with a mace for 10 minutes while it's health is whittled down on Legendary, because that's boring.

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>>159495570
u got it mane

QD Inventory worth using? I'm definitely interested in the Categorized Favorites Menu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB_GVg0PxCY

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http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/3038/?
Hot damn this came out faster than I thought it would.

>>159495853
>better on the old verison

Unless it's a mod that had a mod menu or is a version of the mod that disables other shit that previously required SKSE, you are completely wrong as for mods that don't have those issues there is no difference between them and their LE counterparts.

>>159495884
What's wrong with not having level scaling?

If the stealth in the game was any good, and enemies could actually pay attention - like say a fucking perception stat - it should be a reward that you manage to find a higher vampire's lair, somehow manage to not disturb it, and sneak out undetected with some ancient artifact it had collected during it's thousand year life.

But nah you found an iron axe with 5 fire damage and 27 coins.

>>159495919
use the mature skin texture for UNP, it's pretty much the best available for SE atm.

>>159496212
>Unless
Yeah, that "unless" part is important. That's why he's right.

>>159496102
Duel turns the game into a blocking simulator.

Set the difficulty back to Expert or whatever, get UC, Revenge of the Enemies, Vigor, Attack Commitment, TK Dodge, and SkyTweak. That last one will let you find tune the difficulty of the game without turning enemies into sponges.

Lock On works well with the above mods but not everybody's into that mechanic.

>>159496493
I find it hard to believe that all the best mods that have been ported over are ones that are crippled shells of their former selves due to a lack of MCM and SKSE.

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>>159493909
>and I've never played Morrorwind, has it always been like this?

Yes and no. You could be leader of a pretty big number of guilds. An implausible number, like the other TES ones..

..but not all of them. Some conflicted. Some were overt about this - you join ONE Great House, and it's for life. You don't get to leave Redoran and join Hlaalu. You can't give up on Hlaalu to be a mushroom wizard.

Others were covert. The FG and TG in Morrowind were opposed in Morrowind, with the local Morrowind gang, the Cammona Tong, having it's hooks in the FG and using them to fuck up the TG. You -could- resolve that conflict as a member of both guilds.. but without a guide it's much more likely that you end up having to choose one. It takes footwork to keep from having to pick a side.

On top of all that, every single guild had promotion ranks and each rank required certain degrees of competancy with certain skills they felt embodied their organization. You are not getting to be Master Wizard of House Telvanni without knowing magic. Your ass is likely not even going to SEE a Master Wizard of House Telvanni without magic because they don't have stairs - you learn to levitate or you don't work in their wizard towers, end of story.

It's a terrible shame they abandoned that whole system. It added more flavor, forced separate playthroughs (at least three, if you want to see all the Great House quests), and kept the MC from being this schizophrenic mess who is saving puppies in one guild and drowning them in the next.

>>159496212
>Unless it's all these mods that he is very obviously referring to...

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>>159496714
Believe it, bud. It's not like they're unusable but they're objectively worse.

>>159496714
>oh shit, better move this goalpost quick
He said better on the old version and he's right. Get over it.

>>159496389
The problem with no having level scaling is three fold

1. Having set loot just creates an environment were people are encouraged to go online, and look up the locations of "the best gear", and then sneak/exploit their way too it, which not only ruins any sort of difficulty in the game, but also makes further exploration pointless because you already have the best gear.

2. When everything has a preset level, especially in large open world games like TES, where you can basically go to any major city easily, it forces the devs to make the majority of locations in-game be set to a very low level, since they have to account for any possible place you might go at level 1. This in turn makes the game like Morrowind, where like 80% of the dungeons were set for a level 1-10 character, and makes exploring places past those level ranges pointless, since loot will always be pre-set really low.

3. The only way to solve problem 2 without having to resort ot level scailing is by turning the world into basically an MMO, with a preset leveling path, which only ruins replayabiltiy since you are forced to play the same content in the same order, every time.

Level scaling solves all these problems by
1. Keeping the beast gear out of player's hands until they are leveled for it, making it far harder to cheese the game

2. Makes it to where every dungeon always gives level appropriate loot, so you have some reason to explore every place, since you know you wont be stuck getting level 1-10 loot in most dungeons in the game like Morrowind

3. It allows the devs to make the game world open, allowing for are more replayability, as you can tackle content in basically any order you want.

There is literally no reason to not have level scaling.

>>159493497

u wot m8? That was one of the better ones.

And I'm pretty sure the Skyrim Thieves Guild questline has the most plotlines of anything in the series.

People who object to level scaling are generally just nostalgiafags who object to anything new tbqfh

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>>159496212
SE is supertrash and will remain so until it has all the functionality and none of the roadblocks of the original.

>>159496864
Well what mods are you referring to then? The only ones that I can think of that have been ported already are frostfall and VioLens.
>>159496942
>implying I'm moving the goalposts
I'm still holding the same postiion I was before, which is doubting that all the best mods that have been ported already are ones that require SKSE for their full function.

>>159497149
I like level scaling. You can take any path you want and write your own story but you still feel like you are making progress. It feels good fighting through a tomb full of draugr death lords when just a dozen hours ago you would have been cut down easily by a single death lord. It doesn't matter if that tomb was the first and easiest one you played as your last character.

>>159497383
Your waifu is supertrash.

>>159497383
FNIS is ported (in beta) now, SKSE is coming along.
It's happening senpai.

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>Trying out this dishonored spell mod
>Liking the blink spell.
>Can barely use it for sneaking because it alerts enemies

>>159497095
>u wot m8? That was one of the better ones.
No, it was one of the worst, by far

>The DB tries to contact anyone who kills anyone, regardless of circumstance, because actually wanting to kill people for fun isn't important to being an assassin or anything

>The recruiter idiotically just walks into your house, where you have all the advantage, instead of smartly forcing you into a location of their choosing like any smart assassin would do.

>They send you on a test of loyalty, but dont bother to watch you do it to make sure you actually did it, and instead just take your word on it.

>They say there are DB bases under every major city in Cryodiil, yet none of them exist for reasons

>All the the optional objectives in the quests either make no sense. whodunit being the worst offender where you are told the contractor wants you to kill everyone without being found out, despite the fact no one, not even the contract giver, is there to watch you do it, and thus, get anything out of it. They also somehow know if you did it or not, despite, again, no one being there to watch you.

>They build up this big betrayer plot, but at the end, the traitor is revealed to be someone you literally never met before, making any sort of impact the plot oculd have given nonexistent as its not surprising in the slightest.

>At the end, even the Nightmother says everyone in the DB is a massive idiot, and deserved to be killed.

Whats hilarious is that the skyrim DB fixes literally every single one of these problems, as if Bethesda actually went back, looked at they did in Oblivion, realized how dumb it was, and then delbiratly triedto fix it.

Which is why Skyrim's DB is a million times more fun an tolerable then Oblivion's.

>>159497383
I'm not talking about SE as a whole, which does have some benefit over the LE such as improved preformance and stability, but of the currently ported mods. Of which, only the ones that have ties to the MCM or SKSE are any worse than their LE counterparts.

>>159497756
Isn't there a perk that makes your spells silent?

>Make simple Breezehome edit
>Change almost nothing
>Game crashes every time I enter

God fucking dammit.

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>>159497394
Campfire, Vivid Weathers, EBT, Apocalypse, Wet & cold, iNeed, Imperious, Wildcat. And that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's loads of other mods that are gimped.
>>159497383
This. Minus the better performance, there's nothing about SSE that makes it worth using over Oldrim at this point in time.
But I'm still playing it because maintaining a steady 60 FPS gives me a metaphorical boner. It even stayed at 60 when I was in Blackreach looking at the artificial sun thingy. That used to always cause performance drops.

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>>159497847
That's exactly what I asked myself.

Was trying to find it, but since I use Ordinator, I'm not sure if they have the perk for it. Either that or I must be blind.

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>>159498027
It's in the Illusion tree

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>>159498027
>>159498145

Ok yes indeed I'm a dum-dum. I just found it after looking.

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>>159497696
When all the alpha, texture, and other issues are ironed out entirely among everything else that's wrong with it, I might consider trying it.
As it is, since a lot of the mods that I use and need to use (like ECE) aren't ported or don't work right, or never will be ported (like Aether Suite or anything Halo has ever made) I don't think I'll be trying it for long, if at all.

>>159497929
Computers are hard. My advice to you is to either drink heavily or become a hunter gather.

>>159497945
Apocalypse is split into two entirely seperate mods, one that requries the SE and one that does not. The one that doesn't is unaffected by it's porting to SE. Though you are right on the others.

However I would be very keen to argue that those are all the best mods that havew been ported to SE.

>>159498271

Turns out it's because Hearthfire edits the navmesh in Breezehome.

Because of course it does.

>>159498228
I would definitely wait a couple of months but I see SE being the definitive version sooner rather than later.

>>159498228
>that fucking armor
I like how it looks but the bodyslide files for it are weighted for max weight for some fucking reason and I don't know how to fix it.

I want to start a new fem character, should I go with Dark Elf or Khajit? The shouts sound terrible for both and I don't really care about the stats/powers

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>>159498353
I'm giving it a year.
>>159498397
Luckily I don't have that problem with my variant.

>>159498407
>Dark Elf or Khajit
Disgusting
Go Argonian

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morrowind may have had questionable writing and run of the mill quests but the setting and exploration were absolutely top notch. it rewarded you for going off the beaten path with lots of interesting locations and navigating the world with the paper map was one of the most immersive gaming experiences ive ever had.

the more recent games just dont do it as well. oblivion was a generic setting with rng terrain and everything in skyrim just feels very samey. been in one nord crypt been in them all where as the caves and ruins in morrowind felt very hand crafted with lots of variety and hidden nooks and crannies to find.

>>159497761
Don't forget that at the end you're forced to watch said traitor kill like half of the Black Hand.

You're not drugged. You're not bound. You're not magicked. You're just standing there watching like a retard. And you know who he is. You know he's a traitor. You know he's going to try and kill the Black Hand. You're not fucking surprised by this.

There's literally no excuse for how Oblivion's DB ends.

>>159498524
By not using bodyslide or somehow getting a file that didn't fuck up that part?

Is it worth trying to get into Skyrim if I'm not interested in adding ten thousand sex mods? I try to before but gave up on it after hour five. I haven't had fun with an Elder Scrolls game since Morrowind.

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Are there any perk overhauls on SE besides Ordinator? I really don't like it.

>tfw no SPERG

>>159498541
I already play my main male character as Argonian though, Marsh-friend.

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>>159498353
>couple of months
If progress stays as fast as it's going right now for porting mods over, I'd say it could happen. But what sucks about most of the ENB features that Skyrim has won't be ported completely over to SE.

>>159498620
Yeah then SSE is perfect for you

>>159496078
MO isn't out for SE yet.

>>159498631
Why is SPERG better? Whats wrong with Ordinator?
Not saying you're wrong, i'm just curious on how they're different.

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>>159498613
No bodyslide. I wouldn't touch that because I know I'd make a mess of it.

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>>159498228
Nevermind that. I need Vigilant and Glenmoril, nevermind everything else.

>>159498397
Just use the one off wtfuun's Tumblr, he put up a fixed version.

>>159498691
Subsurface scattering, man.

>>159498684
I see Egg-brother

>>159498721
Are there any essential mods then I should install? I imagine there's already an unofficial patches to fix some of it.

>>159498785
IIRC, Ordinator adds perks, SPERG completely changes the trees. SPERG's perks are arguably just better, but that kind of thing mostly comes down to taste.

>>159498785
Not him but Ordinator, like most of Enai's mods, is kind of all over the place in terms of balance and just general rationality. It has a lot of interesting perks and most of them are at least creative, but a lot of them are just straight up stupid or overpowered.

>>159498691
What features other than subsurface scattering are absolutely necessary? Most ENBs did not fully utilize weathers, shadows are fine in SE, SE has DoF (that can be tweaked with ENB though), volumetric lighting is better than any ENB hacked together lighting that butchered frame rates.

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>>159498397
Try redownloading the files? Cause it worked fine for me with bodyslide.

>need to be Dragonborn to play Wyrmstooth
WELP GUESS I'M NOT PLAYING WYRMSTOOTH

>>159499083
FAT
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